PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted a resolution in which it outlined claims against Russia, in particular regarding Ukraine. This is reported by Russian media.

The PACE resolution, adopted the previous day, mainly concerns the discussion of the situation in ten countries at once, including Ukraine and Russia. The Russian delegation voted against the adoption of this document. According to the head of the Russian delegation, Peter Tolstoy, the Russians did not accept a "boorish approach" in relation to Russia.

By the way, the resolution was adopted with a low quorum, 49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained. At the same time, the assembly includes 321 parliamentarians.

The document states that Russia should "step up efforts" to comply with its obligations as a member of PACE. In addition, Moscow was required to stop "military intervention" in the conflict in the Donbass and "support for illegal armed groups." The proposal of the Ukrainian delegation to recognize Russia as a party to the Minsk agreements did not go through, but the final version of the resolution explicitly states that "Russia is behind the militias." Once again, they demanded that Russia return Crimea.

The list of claims also includes: non-compliance with human rights, non-compliance with the Minsk agreements and unwillingness to hold accountable those involved in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014.

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[rocket757]

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

[Same lech]

Let them dream ... the train has long gone.

[rocket757]

Quote: The same Lech

Let them dream ... the train has long gone.

So they have an old, filthy "schedule" on hand. Some of them still have old tickets ... now there is a phantom withdrawal. It is necessary to treat harshly and specifically!

[maxim947]

We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

[Alexander Suvorov]

Why did they pay? PACE is it generally "hto" ?! We pay a lot of money there for the opportunity for our parliamentarians to travel for free on European business trips, nothing more. This Russophobic shop does not solve anything, and none of its decisions have any effect. So they can "demand" anything from anyone, even from the Lord-God.
But the fact that our parliamentarians, for the opportunity to devour in European restaurants for a state account, are ready to crawl on their belly if only they weren’t trapped from there, I personally despise all these parliamentarians.

[Tatyana]

Quote: maxim947

We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

Moreover, as stated in the article

resolution adopted at LOW quorum, 49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained. At the same time, the assembly includes 321 parliamentarians.

there were only 49 +17 +3 = 69 deputies in the hall, the remaining 321-69 = 252 MEPs are just "WALKERS", whom Russia also pays for nothing.

PACE European Deputies are very well financially settled for themselves due to contributions from the Russian Federation!

[Thrall]

A simple majority is required to pass a resolution; a recommendation requires a two-thirds majority

[kit88]

Judging by the number of those present, this PACE will never accept a recommendation at all.
In general, does anyone know why this PACE exists and what will happen if it does not exist?
The sense of their resolutions is less than the resolutions of the club of beer lovers of the village of Small Vasyuki.

[Hautibek Khuranov]

Marx also wrote that it is useless to persuade Russia that sanctions are also not effective enough. He suggested tougher measures.

[Spektr]

If they accept this dregs, then they themselves will PACE.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: kit88

why does pace exist

for all the good versus all the bad !!!

Quote: kit88

what will happen if it does not exist?

nothing!!!

Quote: kit88

The sense of their resolutions

as much as from UN GA resolutions !!

[Tatyana]

Quote: Thrall

A simple majority is required to pass a resolution; a recommendation requires a two-thirds majority

In numerical terms, this, as it may turn out, does not change much.

For instance. Suppose that, when adopting a recommendation, the PACE quorum was about 70 European deputies. 2/3 from 70 = 47 people.
Those. 47 for recommendations <49 people of a simple majority for the adoption of the resolution itself.
TOTAL We can say that with such attendance at meetings and the total number of "truants" among the MEPs in PACE, the PACE policy is determined by the same people of the same countries.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Tatiana

PACE policy is determined by the same people in the same countries.

because politics was not given to anyone for free !!!

[Okolotochny]

Another question, what kind of democracy is this when only 21,5% of eligible voters vote? Voted for the resolution as a result of all 15%!!!

[opus]

Quote: Okolotochny

Another question is what kind of democracy is this when only votes

1. Until 2006 in the Russian Federation it was: the elections were considered valid if 20% participated in the regional elections, at least 25% in the federal parliamentary elections and at least 50% in the presidential ones.

Federal Law of December 5, 2006 N 225-FZ On Amendments to the Federal Law "On Basic guarantees of suffrage and the right to participate in a referendum of citizens of the Russian Federation "and the Civil Procedure Code of the Russian Federation

After 2006, no one is interested in the turnout (well, the governor / minister’s AP will grow up, they will turn up the turnout to 115%)

And not only with us

2. You want to say that we do not have democracy?

Quote: Okolotochny

As a result, only 15% voted for the resolution !!!

PACE is the assembly of the Council of Europe =advisory body
the resolution in question does not fall under article 20

shall be adopted unanimously by the representatives participating in the vote, and by a majority of representatives entitled to participate in the work Committee.

here like Article 29

accepted by the majority two thirds of the vote representatives participating in the vote.

Quote: Author

49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained

-everything's Alright

[Sanichsan]

Quote: opus

-everything's Alright

actually yes. because

Quote: opus

PACE is the Assembly of the Council of Europe = advisory body

and as a result, they can adopt resolutions on the need to return Crimea, grant sovereignty to the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, appoint Guaido as the emperor of the universe, and of course "all the boys wear muzzles and rejoice" ... in general, accept anything and in any quantity! nobody cares about it anyway
but the question remains, why does the Russian Federation pay loot for this booth?

[opus]

Quote: SanichSan

but the question remains, why does the Russian Federation pay loot for this booth?

get-together

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from the point of view of reason, we have nothing to do there., but this is on condition that our power is "servants of the people", while we have the opposite: we are slaves of power.
at least the ECHR

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[Okolotochny]

The usual policy is when it’s profitable for me, then we use it when it’s not profitable for me — and who are you? Just politics. And so it is not only with us, so throughout the world. Now it’s beneficial to talk about the percentage of voters.

[Passing]

Quote: opus

2. You want to say that we do not have democracy?

In all countries where the turnout is less than 50%, there is no democracy. Democracy is the power of the people, i.e. majority, and here the power of part of the people. In Latin, the part is part, i.e. this system is PARTY

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Passing by

Democracy is the power of the people those. the majority

yes, democracy is the power of the people, why did you come up with some majority? where in the word democracy is a reference to the majority?
in Russia we have real democracy! bourgeois. the people who own power live on the ruble. they form a list of candidates for elections of 3-4 clowns and who should be chosen. all type honestly

[Passing]

Quote: SanichSan

where in the word democracy there is a link to the majority

It is implicit, but obvious, since its fundamental essence is the will of the demos - the work of the authorities in the interests of the demos. To reveal this will, the "elections" mechanism was invented. Those. ideally 100% vote and the will of the majority is revealed.

Quote: SanichSan

in Russia, real democracy! bourgeois. the people who own power live on the ruble.

Yes, I agree with you, except for one thing - this is not democracy. This is a kind of elective system, partocracy there, the bourgeoisie, or whatever else.
Initially, demos - generally all citizens with the right to vote, i.e. demos - all free people, later the elite excluded itself from the demos, i.e. the demos became the common people, and above them the elite. From that moment on, democracy died. For democracy directly contradicts the interests of the elite, and therefore they have successfully invented various clever tricks, such as the "electoral system" - the demos is generally deprived of real suffrage, "legalizing a low turnout threshold" - the will of the majority of the demos is replaced by the will of the minority, for which it is much more realistic to go to local concessions without cutting too much of the lion's piece of the elite's pie. And this I do not consider just impudent deception, PR manipulation.
Well, your example, "creating an imaginary choice", is the most important element, it works perfectly in tandem with the above, mutually reinforcing many times.
But this is not democracy, not the power of the demos!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Passing by

It is implicit, but obvious, since its fundamental essence is the will of the demos - the following of power to the will of the demos. To reveal this will, the "elections" mechanism was invented. Those. ideally 100% vote and the will of the majority is revealed.

you are charmingly naive! look at the homeland of democracy - Greece. Yes, in Greece, citizens had the right to vote, but what was the percentage of citizens from those who lived in Greece? very not great.
the only democracy that reflected the interests of the majority is communist democracy in the USSR. all other democracies stood in the service of the interests of an influential minority. you can check it yourself.
Everyone really likes the power of the people, but no one specifies who the "people" are.

Quote: Passing by

Yes, I agree with you, except for one thing - this is not democracy.

you are wrong. the whole problem is in who the "people" are in the country. Let's say you and I are citizens of the country. I am a seller, you are a buyer. I want to sell at a higher price, you want to buy at a lower price. which of us is your "people" and whose interests will be protected by democracy? in reality, the interests of the ruling class will be protected. I'm not just talking about modern Russia, it will be so in any democratic country. do you have the right to vote? so vote! Doesn't that change anything? well, sorry, this is democracy.
rude, but such is the reality.

[Passing]

Quote: SanichSan

you are charmingly naive!

I assure you that I am not at all charming, and even less so naive.

Quote: SanichSan

citizens had the right to vote, but what was the percentage of citizens from those who lived in Greece? very not great.

Demos in Greece consisted of all available people - the Greeks, all these people had the right to vote. In addition to people in Greece, there were horses, hens, women, children, slaves. What is the difference what percentage of people to non-people? Let's not deal with manipulations!

Quote: SanichSan

the whole problem lies in who the "people" are in the country

There is no hitch, there are long-established names for each group. At the moment, the Nation, the People, this is not a demos, a demos is only and exclusively a "common people", ie all who are not the elite.

Quote: SanichSan

I want to sell at a higher price, you want to buy at a lower price. which of us is your "people" and whose interests will be protected by democracy?

Democracy will protect the interests of those more. More buyers, roll there, more sellers, roll here. No need to complicate simple and obvious things.

Quote: SanichSan

in reality, the interests of the ruling class will be protected

Undoubtedly. Only this is not democracy. Anything but not her.

Quote: SanichSan

Well, sorry, this is democracy ... but such is the reality.

Agreeing with this, we ourselves legitimize the false thesis introduced by the government itself, through which power is legitimized!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Passing by

There is no hitch, there are long-established names for each group. At the moment, the Nation, the People, this is not a demos, a demos is only and exclusively a "common people", ie all who are not the elite.

and why the elite is not the people? do they live in another country? or are deprived of voting rights? or all who make decisions that you don’t like - are they not the people?

Quote: Passing by

Democracy will protect the interests of those more. More buyers, roll there, more sellers, roll here. No need to complicate simple and obvious things.

give me at least one example when democracy defended the rights of those who are more, and not those who are stronger and more influential.

Quote: Passing by

Undoubtedly. Only this is not democracy. Anything but not her.

she is the most. the power of the people in all its glory. democracy defends the interests of the ruling class. in the USSR, the ruling class were workers and peasants, and democracy defended their interests; in Russia, the ruling class is the big bourgeoisie, and democracy in Russia protects the interesting big bourgeoisie.

Quote: Passing by

Agreeing with this, we ourselves legitimize the false thesis introduced by the government itself, through which power is legitimized!

agreeing? and this is why? in my opinion, the arrival in the world of illusions that some people will decide something by a majority vote is much more harmful than sensibly assessing the real state of affairs.

Once again I ask you to give at least one example of the very democracy that you consider to be true.
forget about Greece right away. there decided the patricians. plebeians could go up and rake over the hat.

[Passing]

Quote: SanichSan

and why the elite is not the people?

Where did I say that? Tinkering with what I really said, to be straightforward generally obvious:
People = demos + elite or People = "common people" + ruling class

Quote: SanichSan

give me at least one example when democracy defended the rights of those who are more.

You yourself brought him-the USSR after Stalin. The ruling class was the majority; decisions were made in the interests of the majority. Democracy.

Quote: SanichSan

in Russia, the ruling class is the big bourgeoisie, and democracy in Russia defends the interests of the big bourgeoisie.

A certain kratiya protects the interests of the smaller part to the detriment of the larger. And here is democracy?

Quote: SanichSan

agreeing? and this is why?

Do you understand the fundamental importance of the legitimacy of power to the people? Why do you think the 17 year revolution happened? Tops could not, bottoms did not want? This is a consequence. Tops anywhere in the world could not, but the bottom did not want only in Russia and Germany, because it was there that the authorities lost legitimacy in the heads of the people!

Quote: SanichSan

In my opinion, the arrival in the world of illusions that some people will decide something by a majority of votes is much more harmful than sensibly assessing the real state of affairs.

You are breaking through the open gate. I didn’t say a hint that let's build real democracy in Russia. I understand that within the framework of the current paradigm of the primacy of the personal over the public, in a large country integrated into the world system, this is impossible. I just urge you to take a sober look at things when they tell you that this power has been chosen democratically, and in general we (without reference specifically to Russia) live in democracy, you are arrogantly and cynically deceived.

Quote: SanichSan

forget about Greece right away. there decided the patricians. plebeians

But why should I forget about Greece, that was where the first known democracy was. For a while, until the elite perverted the essence.
But plebeians and patricians are towards Rome, naturally, there was no smell of democracy there.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Passing by

Where did I say that? Tinkering with what I really said, to be straightforward generally obvious:
People = demos + elite or People = "common people" + ruling class

Quote: Passing by

At the moment, the Nation, the People, this is not a demos, a demos is only and exclusively a "common people", i.e. all who are not the elite.

you’ve already decided whether someone is turning you around like this or that. try to express your ideas less contradictory already decide who the people, the people + the elite or the people - the elite?

Quote: Passing by

You yourself brought him-the USSR after Stalin. The ruling class was the majority; decisions were made in the interests of the majority. Democracy.

what is it after? just under Stalin. it was under Stalin that the workers and peasants began to force to participate in the political life of the country. driven to meetings and so on.

Quote: Passing by

A certain kratiya protects the interests of the smaller part to the detriment of the larger. And here is democracy?

demoscratia. it’s still not clear where does the multiplicity come from?

Quote: Passing by

Tops anywhere in the world could not, but the bottom did not want only in Russia and Germany, because it was there that the authorities lost legitimacy in the heads of the people!

actually in the USA, for example. read how many uprisings were crushed in the United States, but there somehow the revolution did not work. it’s more correct to say that only in countries where the government has lost control over the situation in the country. this is exactly what happened in the Russian Empire and in Germany.

Quote: Passing by

I understand that within the framework of the current paradigm of the primacy of the personal over the public, in a large country integrated into the world system, this is impossible.

I agree. the liberal idea is one of the main tools of the bourgeoisie, along with fascism. everything that allows you to divide people by dividing them into small fractions is useful for the capitalist.

Quote: Passing by

I just urge you to take a sober look at things when they tell you that this power has been chosen democratically, and in general we (without reference specifically to Russia) live in democracy, you are arrogantly and cynically deceived.

the whole difference between you and those who say that democracy in Russia is the definition of a people in which you write one or the other. otherwise, all democratic instruments are present. do you have a vote there is. Do you freely express your position? yes, right here and now.

Quote: Passing by

But why should I forget about Greece, that was where the first known democracy was. For a while, until the elite perverted the essence.

OK. Let us put the question differently. democracy was perverted in all countries at all times, including in the homeland of democracy, in Greece, as the Greeks themselves wrote about. how do you propose to create a democracy that will not be "perverted"?

[Passing]

I don’t understand the essence of your claims. You cited two of my statements as contradicting each other

Quote: Passing by

A people is not a demos, a demos is only and exclusively a "common people", that is, all who are not the elite.

Quote: Passing by

People = demos + elite or People = "common people" + ruling class

Where, where is the contradiction here ??? Once again - the concept of people was once equal to the concept of demos, but after that the concept of people was divided into demos and elite, into "common people" and "ruling class". What's incomprehensible? What is there to chew?

Quote: SanichSan

under Stalin, workers and peasants began to be forced to participate in the country's political life. driven to meetings and so on.

Quote: SanichSan

democracy. it’s still not clear where does the multiplicity come from?

Quote: SanichSan

the whole difference between you and those who say that democracy in Russia is the definition of a people in which you write one or the other. otherwise, all democratic instruments are present. do you have a vote there is. Do you freely express your position?

I understood your problem, you and the whole world have replaced the essence of the concept of "democracy" in their heads with technical moments such as "democratic institutions", "elections", "the right to vote", "fairness of elections." Those. in your, deliberately formed from the outside, idea of ​​democracy, the very essence - the power of the majority, is secondary, insignificant, and the technical moments, secondary, are elevated to the essence, to the most important. Therefore, for you, the current government acting in the interests of the minority is democracy, because the essence of democracy - "majority rule" is secondary for you, and the presence of fetishes "electoral system", "freedom of speech", etc. for you, this is democracy itself. This is the most grandiose manipulation, substitution of concepts in history !!!

Quote: SanichSan

how do you propose to create a democracy that will not be "perverted"?

Having naturally renounced all the compromised instruments "elections", "freedom of speech", etc.
Move the function of "managing society" and its technical moment "revealing the will of the majority" outside society, so that these functions are not subject to the corrupting influence of society itself. Naturally, I will not say how to do this, because I do not know, so, separate glimpses, this is work for the future Marx.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Passing by

Having naturally renounced all the compromised instruments "elections", "freedom of speech", etc.

totalitarianism? it seems so called?
but in principle I agree. elections have long turned into a farce, and "freedom of speech" has been replaced by "freedom to lie."

Quote: Passing by

Move the function of "managing society" and its technical moment "revealing the will of the majority" outside society, so that these functions are not subject to the corrupting influence of society itself. Naturally, I will not say how to do this, because I do not know, so, separate glimpses, this is work for the future Marx.

it is possible to implement within a single information field. apparently everything goes to this ...
but a reasonable question arises, what will stop the structure "outside of society" from usurping power?

[Passing]

Quote: SanichSan

totalitarianism? it seems so called?

totalitarianism does not have a sane feedback mechanism. So, rather, something based on technocracy.

Quote: SanichSan

what will stop the structure "outside of society" from usurping power?

This is problem. I could say that rationalism, such as the threat of revolt, will be stopped by an external factor in the form of democratic competitors, but this is not a guarantee. I will leave its decision to the lot of the future "Marx" ...

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Passing by

I could say that rationalism will stop, such as the threat of rebellion, an external factor in the form of rival Democrats, but this is not a guarantee.

I would say that it is guaranteed to be quite the opposite, that is, usurpation. for example, now we have a pronounced supra-public structure called "the country's leadership" and they protect their own interests at the expense of society.

[opus]

Quote: Passing by

In all countries where the turnout is less than 50%, there is no democracy.

means no where there is "democracy" in the world?

why comment here?

[Okolotochny]

And where does Russia? Is she teaching someone the "principles of democracy"? I speak for "teachers". And what a habit, in which case to switch to - “but in Russia” !!!

[nemez]

This is the norm in Europe. The minority determines the future.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: nemez

This is the norm in Europe. The minority determines the future.

from this all troubles .. soon necrophilia, pedophilia and bestiality will be legalized !!!

[mikh-korsakov]

Alexander! So I think why? Well, let's say, Tolstoy found a way to "cut" the Ukrainian journalist in Crimea. On this occasion, our media trumpeted the victory. So what? So that's why Tolstoy became skilled at political talk shows. He can do it. What's next? Then he was elected vice, apparently, the PACE understood well the guy knows how to speak the language in the spoken genre, such are necessary there. But it turns out that there are either eighteen or twenty vice-presidents for one chairman, although in the United States there is one vice president and nothing lives and the Russian Federation is poking its nose into the garbage can regularly. Likewise, the PACE, despite all Tolstoy's vice-presidency, adopted the resolution they need. So, I agree, the event is expensive, and the results are zero.

[Alexander Suvorov]

Michael, what results can there be? This is a Russophobian talking room of pure water, and even deciding nothing.
To defend positions on the world stage, there is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Lavrov apparently copes with his duties! But this viper should have been dispersed for a long time, but then where then will our beloved deputies ride for foie gras and parmesan? Yes, and for free.
The contribution to this dump is about 40 lyam evergreens, and this is more than 2,5 billion rubles. The average plant seats 500 workers, you can easily organize 500 million. Total minus five plants and minus 2500 jobs annually. This is so according to conservative estimates.
Those. the state has funds for useless squandering, but for supporting retirees or, say, sick children, for whom all television channels are not embarrassed to collect a thread from the world, as it didn’t ...

[Genry]

Quote: Alexander Suvorov

This is a Russophobian talking room of pure water, and even deciding nothing.

[Kronos]

From the ECHR the benefits of ordinary citizens of Russia who can seek justice in the courts

[Spektr]

But for some reason the West is ignoring this ECHR for itself. Especially shaving and yankees.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Kronos

ECHR benefits ordinary people

but, in a strange way, the fighters with RYZHIM get the benefit !!!

[Warrior with machine gun]

It’s easier and cheaper to return Tolstoy’s home, there’s zero sense from him and the team, only the costs of this non-free talking room, and if he doesn’t have a pass, then go ahead, to his health, but at his own expense.

[Fan-fan]

Maybe at least someone will ever ask Putin a question - what is the benefit to us from participating in this PACE?

[rocket757]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Maybe at least someone will ever ask Putin a question - what is the benefit to us from participating in this PACE?

Yes, it seems like the "dear father" moved off the foreign agenda ... then, live broadcast "ask the question to GDP", very conditionally "direct". "filtering" however.

[Hautibek Khuranov]

for SMALL money

[Olgovich]

Quote: maxim947

It was we who worked hard, tried, paid a lot of money .. Why ??

What loudly, on the whole worldcommunicate your position.

And where else to declare about it so that it FORCEDLY listened and everyone knew?

And everyone should know her, so that no one could distort or shut her up.

And for all these resolutions, spit, because Russia defends. their citizens, their people and their interests.

And this is the main thing!

[Alexander Suvorov]

Olgovich (Andrey)
What loudly, to the whole world, to convey their position.

For this, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense exist!

And where else to declare about it so that it FORCEDLY listened and everyone knew?

Well, they listened, spat and rubbed. Then what?

And everyone should know her, so that no one could distort or shut her up.

Do not tell my slippers how their media will provide information, so their people will think.

And for all these resolutions, spit, because Russia defends. their citizens, their people

In which place?! The bourgeois state absolutely does not care about their people, but they sacredly observe their interests.

[210ox]

Russia does not protect its citizens in PACE. Only the actions of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. What can be protected in a European bureaucratic superstructure?

[polar fox]

Quote: maxim947

We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

and this, my friend, we have such a break.

[artifact]

Quote: maxim947

We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

it was necessary to propose, to allocate which thread a percentage of the amount that was paid to give our delegation as a bonus. or buy them on an expensive cruise ticket. and the money would be partially saved, and most importantly, they would not be dishonored before Europe ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: maxim947

We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

So that deputies could ride there at the state expense.

[210ox]

That's it and that .. And what's next? Will we pay for it? Well, basically nothing unusual. As with gas transit. Pay and repent. Although both cheeks were inflated in the Kremlin and around.

[Looking for]

Was it really not clear that these "brothers" would be shitting constantly.

[NEXUS]

Quote: maxim947

We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

The question is in PACE and in WADA and in the IOC and in the OSCE. The question is, what did we forget there, given the current format of our relationship with us, and for what purpose do we carry money there?
Tell me that we don’t need to distance ourselves from the entire civilized world? So they are trying to push us to the side. Maybe the time has come to respond harshly with deeds, and not just more talkatively?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: NEXUS

in WADA

Quote: NEXUS

- why did we forget there

are we there ??? and aren’t all the problems right now with sports from the fact that Euromeres are running in Wada ???

[Paul Siebert]

The European Union is crumbling under their nose - today Britain has left it, and they are again - money for fish.
With such attempts they will fight for the "return of Crimea" for decades, up to the last member of the European Union!

[Lelek]

Quote: rocket757

... now phantom breaking goes there.

Victor.
Do we need to participate in this process? Such "break-ups" will be repeated every time Russia gets involved. Why did we run into this guano again? Misunderstandings.

[rocket757]

Quote: Lelek

Do we need to participate in this process?

Hi lion
And this time, the upper ones themselves decided that it was like something we / they needed sideways.
This is no longer funny ... because the people, for a long time, did not ask anything ...
I was very surprised that the "dear father" started some kind of conversation about the fact that people should be asked something !!!
However, as always, a "correctly" posed question ends with a "correct" calculation of answers!

[polar fox]

Quote: rocket757

I was very surprised that the "dear father" started some kind of conversation about the fact that people should be asked something !!!

in vain they were surprised ... the main thing is to understand who the guarantor considers for the "people".

[rocket757]

A guarantor, by definition, cannot have citizens divided into people and not ... if such a circumstance exists, he is no longer a guarantor.

[Den717]

Quote: polar fox

if he worn himself with the constitution

Can you prove it?

[rocket757]

Do not consider them so primitive ... they just "gracefully" bypass the laws along the outer contour! It seems they did not violate anything, in a straight line, but all the same, somehow not ah, it all looks.

[Svarog]

Quote: The same Lech

Let them dream ... the train has long gone.

He didn’t go anywhere .. We tried to return there, paid our debts, etc. .. Peter Tolstoy won’t be happy with PACE’s specific claims .. but:

Peter Tolstoy, the Russians were not satisfied with the "boorish approach" towards Russia.

Without due respect to Peter reacted ..

[Same lech]

I talked about Crimea ... well, the fact that Peter is rude is so normal ... we are on someone else’s site ... we can say at the table a crook and a scammer and he will cheat on four hands.

[KCA]

It’s unlikely that he’s rude to him personally, because after a meeting you can meet him somewhere on the sidelines, the ambulance may not have time

[Svarog]

Quote: KCA

Personally, he’s hardly rude,

So in this case, you need to identify a distinct position of Russia on the situation in the Donbass and the Crimea .. and not refer to the boorish approach .. What approach can be expected from a bunch of American vassals, whom we pay money for our voice to be heard in this viper ..

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Svarog

you need to identify a distinct position of Russia on the situation in the Donbass and Crimea ..

On "Crimea" - the position is indicated more than clearly. As for Donbass, as they say - "reasonable enough".

What is your claim, please be kind?

Quote: Svarog

we pay money for our voice to be heard in this gadyushnik

Here you are (almost) right. PACE is precisely a place for the exchange of views and the designation of their, ahem, positions on various issues.

For this, money is paid. Everything is simple.

[g1washntwn]

Why sharpen the fringes for a wagon of money when the price of a ticket to Crimea is one euro paper. Come and see for yourself. You never know what is there on the fence in front of this PACE, Ukrainians and Americans are writing. They reported their position long ago: Crimea decided everything on its own. Kuriles - Russia. Anyone who has infringed on the integrity of our country will not indulge in the most. What else can be discussed in this "deputy's Davos"?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: g1washntwn

Why sharpen lasy for a wagon of money ...

Here, I found a funny picture. On the move

Do you think all these countries are alternatively gifted? They - just think - all, as one, this PACE money flesh

[g1washntwn]

I think that in this "club of interests" the Russian Federation with its position is clearly superfluous.
Climbing into the current PACE is the same as foolishly breaking into the "Blue Oyster". But we know from the movies what's inside, don't we?

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: g1washntwn

I think that in this "club of interests" the Russian Federation with its position is clearly superfluous

Well, if you so you think, then she’s definitely superfluous there. However, apparently, not everyone thinks so, so the RF is there. Nothing personal, just a statement of fact

At the UN, by the way, it is no better - the RF there is also superfluous, in your opinion?

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Golovan Jack

At the UN, by the way, it is no better - the RF there is also superfluous, in your opinion?

We remain in the UN Security Council, and the rest can be sent as unnecessary !!!

[rocket757]

Officials and "servants of the people" have a clear desire to knock about in gamerops, rub their elbows with collectors!
If only we questioned a significant number of our citizens, on the account of whether we need this PACE and everything else gayropey ??? After all, they would definitely know the address \ direction where they should have been sent \ thrust!
I have no doubt about the direction! In this case, the enviable unanimity of our citizens is guaranteed!

[Svarog]

Quote: rocket757

If only we questioned a significant number of our citizens, on the account of whether we need this PACE and everything else gayropey ??? After all, they would definitely know the address \ direction where they should have been sent \ thrust!

If we were asked, and most importantly, our opinion was taken into account, I think that everyone would have a positive attitude towards the authorities ... well, certainly the vast majority.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Are you a historian, economist, culturologist, lawyer, political scientist, linguist, or who?
Are you competent enough to recognize the responsibility and consequences of your advice at the level you specified?

[solzh]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Are you a historian, economist, culturologist, lawyer, political scientist, linguist, or who?
Are you competent enough to recognize the responsibility and consequences of your advice at the level you specified?

The question is not for me, but I decided to answer. For example, I am an economist. Am I competent? I don’t know, yes rather than no. But are those competent at the top who made the decision to return Russia to PACE and paying contributions to this frankly Russophobic organization?

[Serg65]

Quote: solzh

For example, I am an economist.

Something a lot on the website of economists divorced! An economist ... and who work?

[solzh]

Quote: Serg65

and work by

I have been working as a tax consultant for 20 years.

Quote: Serg65

Something a lot on the website of economists divorced!

So economic education received!

[Serg65]

Quote: solzh

I have been working as a tax consultant for 20 years.

Those. at the dawn of a career directly involved in the heyday of corruption?

Quote: solzh

So economic education received!

Well, yes, but economists haven’t worked for a day

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Serg65

Something a lot on the website of economists divorced

yes here is a division of eXperts with a wide profile, and not just economists !!!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: solzh

The question is not for me, but I decided to answer

They did everything right.

Die yourself, and help your comrade (in this case, comrade Svarog)

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

PACE, like the UN, is an official international platform where Russia can and should express its separate opinion on any issues discussed there, make statements.
All this will be recorded without fail. And in these protocols, the Russian representatives will definitely poke their faces like faulty animals into a puddle, all sorts of different ones, with the words: "But we said, we warned." Or vice versa: "Didn't you then assert exactly the opposite?"
And no one can object.

[hydrox]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And no one can object.

But no one will do anything and the result will ALWAYS be zero.
But as mikh-korsakov said, there are more of them, so we will ALWAYS walk, to put it mildly, "dirty", and the herd instinct (together with collective guilt!) Will only strengthen and emphasize the unacceptability of any Russian position

[hydrox]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

And no one can object.

The point is not an objection (very few people are interested in this), but only UN resolutions are OBLIGATORY for execution (with SANCTIONS in case of non-compliance!), And the PACE garbage dump does not oblige anyone to anything

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: hydrox

but only UN resolutions are MANDATORY

you already specify ... the UN has a GA, the resolutions of which have the same force as the resolutions of the passe !!! UN Security Council - here is our ffffffsёёёё !!! the rest at the UN can be sent to the same place as the pass !!!

[hydrox]

Normally.
For the strong: "What will you please?", For the rest - the Charter.

[rocket757]

Quote: Svarog

If we were asked, and most importantly, our opinion was taken into account,

Dreams, dreams, are not touched even by the fact that almost everywhere this happens.
And about the COMPETENCE of the PEOPLE, the common man! empty excuses to single out some kind of "super competent" over everyone, it is always and everywhere called the same - an arrogant goat for a radish.
We saw and we see what and how these ... radishes have also heaped in OUR COUNTRY.

[Serg65]

Quote: Svarog

If we were asked, and most importantly, our opinion was taken into account

And you, I'm sorry, who is this?

[knn54]

What to discuss - less than a third of the deputies participated.

[rocket757]

Quote: knn54

What to discuss - less than a third of the deputies participated.

And which of the inhabitants watched the lists of voters, was interested in percent?
The majority will be told that "Baba Yaga is against", and then the choice of each, independently.
We do not care, and again Svidomo jumpers will suit ... overwhelmed.

[solzh]

Quote: knn54

What to discuss - less than a third of the deputies participated.

No matter how many they were, the main thing is that they were accepted.

[Okolotochny]

How unimportant? Voted for only 15%.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Okolotochny

How unimportant? Voted for only 15%.

at least 100% ... it's all useless scribbles !!!

[NEXUS]

Quote: The same Lech

Let them dream ... the train has long gone.

The point is not in the train, but in the fact that they admit the idea of ​​opening their mouths in our direction and demanding something. Well, the answer is ...
To say so, we will return Crimea when the United States returns Texas to Mexico, and to us Alaska and California. As for the Donbass, let the United States dismantle all 800 of its bases and stop supporting the fascist regimes. Then there will be no wars, deaths and claims.
But this is all the lyrics. The reality is that in the information war we shamelessly lose.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

in the information war, we shamelessly lose ...... but on the gas needle the whole articulate Europe, this is enough, how it is heated, and Vaska eats and listens

[Russobel]

Everything is of course ridiculous, But ...
Russia that in PACE returned to bring money.
How much can they smile, you need to send them and stop paying fees.
"Until the bastards themselves die or become weak ..."

[smart ass]

I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?

[Svarog]

Quote: Clever man

I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?

Masochism .. obviously likes the flogging of the public .. we also pay money for this ...

[solzh]

Quote: Svarog

Masochism .. obviously like the flogging of the public .. we also pay money for this ...

It would be better if they loved the classics Everything is safer

[Altona]

Quote: Svarog

Masochism .. obviously likes the flogging of the public ..

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Vladimir, if the high gentlemen have passports or permanent residence in Switzerland, Austria, Malta, Cyprus, Spain, Italy, it does not matter. Gentlemen-nobles simply represent the interests of the "Papuans" of Russia, but rather imitate it with loud words.

[hydrox]

But if the Russian deputies didn’t have permanent residence in Europe, then interest in this PACE membership (and the possibility of regularly going there at our expense!) Would immediately be blown away.

[rocket757]

Most of our people just spit when this topic arises again and again.

[New Year day]

Quote: Clever man

I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?

Departure of deputies to the EU for work, diplomatic immunity. We are on the drum

[solzh]

Quote: Silvestr

Departure of deputies to the EU for work, diplomatic immunity. We are on the drum

Money is a pity for taxpayers on such trips. It would be better for this money to help some child, otherwise we will collect everything by SMS.

[Serg65]

Quote: solzh

otherwise I’ll collect everything

Have you ever helped?

[solzh]

Quote: Serg65

Have you ever helped?

Helped more than once. Did you help yourself?

[Serg65]

Quote: solzh

Did you help yourself?

And I help, and they help me ... this topic is very relevant for me!

[smart ass]

The opportunity to bring your dog on a plane to Europe?

[Altona]

Quote: Clever man

I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?

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The usual attempt at reconciliation with the West, nothing more, to remove obstacles in the gas trade above all. There are no other considerations besides easing the fate of exporters.

[Lelek]

Quote: Clever man

I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?

And indicate at least one of the above writers who understood.

[Alekseev]

Quote: rocket757

accepted, demanded ... and then what?

PACE is a discussion platform, in other words, propaganda and counter-propaganda.
Give them a shit by the forces of our delegation ... and that’s it ..

[rocket757]

Quote: Alekseev

Give them a shit by the forces of our delegation ... and that’s it ..

Yes, by deeds, by our achievements, we can / should give a shit about everything at once. And nothing else.
A verbal husk is for .....

[Siberian]

PACE is a discussion platform, in other words, propaganda and counter-propaganda.
Give them a shit by the forces of our delegation ... and that’s all .. wink

Well, in order to carry out counter-propaganda, it’s not necessary to go to Europe, give each member a delegation on a laptop, and let them fight European rudeness on the Internet, and it will turn out inexpensively: funds only for paying for traffic and buying laptops.

[Lelek]

[quote = alexeyev]... and that’s it ../ Quote]

And what is this "all"? Blah blah in their direction and shake off the spit from his uniform? And also pay them money for this, which could be used to build a school or hospital in the Siberian backwater?

[Cyrus]

Of course they will)

[novel66]

Once again, they demanded that Russia return Crimea.

so, already returned to their home harbor ...

[solzh]

Quote: novel xnumx

so, already returned to their home harbor ...

It comes to them badly ...

[Vend]

Quote: rocket757

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

It was necessary not to pay money and there would not be any requirements!

[rocket757]

Quote: Wend

It was necessary not to pay money and there would not be any requirements!

Paid ... now they will try to fuck us.
However, nothing will change significantly.
According to the logic of things, events, yes "burn it with fire" IHO PACE and everything else, let them "begging, wither", falling apart ... for us, then, it will only be easier.
They feel stronger ONLY in a pile! They tried to bark at us one by one ... it would be exclusively for us to KICK!

[NKT]

Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

This is all and limited.
They received money from us, bought toilet paper and stationery, and breathed a sigh of relief. Now we can continue to write pascivili.

[ioan-e]

Quote: rocket757

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

Shit will be! It is incomprehensible another thing, why pay for being on the site where they don’t want to listen to you, but only teach and smear with shit! And most importantly, who? Hereditary colonialists, inventors of racial segregation and fascism, who imagined themselves moral guidelines! My opinion is there is nothing to do there!

[rocket757]

Quote: ioan-e

My opinion is there is nothing to do there!

They didn’t ask us ... and they won’t.
They have an official paradise .... they will not invite us beyond the threshold.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: rocket757

Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will spoil or

They will spoil constantly, it’s natural ... but only a weak gut will spoil ...

[rocket757]

When set off, crap from different angles, but consolidated, harder to fight back.
Send naf, don’t pay ... they themselves will fall apart, for no reason they won’t even mock. Do not pay or feed all this pack ... they will scatter themselves on their kennels.

[Thrifty]

What the hell are we back in this filthy sasa? ?? Extra money to pay for throwing poop at us? ?? Russia is obliged to withdraw from the passe, the OSCE, and the Council of Europe, as well as from the WTO and the IMF, as soon as possible!

[smart ass]

They began to demand for a reason, they waited for the launch of the bridge and began to demand!

[hydrox]

Quote: rocket757

Will crap or .....

Of course they will crap!
Especially after the hyena of Europe was pointed to her place by slapping a boot in the face, and also because Slovakia was not surrendered for being the FIRST to join Hitler in his "Drang nach Osten"

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: rocket757

Will crap or .....

Risk again without toilet paper and cleaners to stay ...

[Petr1]

Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or.
And then they will ask to make an advance for ten years ahead so that our delegation does not run away as the last time. And we will give more. We do not mind.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: rocket757

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

So returned! In the composition of Russia since 2014! What the hell do they still need?

[Reptiloid]

Greetings, Victor! [quote = rocket757] [quot e] PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting the Donbass [/ quote]
Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or ..... [/ quote]
PACE ---- an advisory organization, so Russia is not obliged to comply! As seen, demanded, and so what?
Another thing is that it blows into the ears of other different people, fertilizes the soil against Russia, while others refer to this.
So the OSCE equated Stalinism with Nazism in July 2009 ....

[rocket757]

Quote: Reptiloid

So the OSCE equated Stalinism with Nazism in July 2009 ....

Just another gang is going to, where almost everything is just the enemies of our country. And you have to pay for it ... strange.

[Wolverine]

Quote: rocket757

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

There was no point in talking in this gadyushnik, it wasn’t a waste of official money and to go into it again, they don’t want to hear us there. Better this money spent on children and young families.

[Elephant]

Quote: rocket757

.. and then what? Will shit or ....

This is just the beginning. They will continue to spoil us for our own money (contributions to PACE).

[rocket757]

At this point in time, all our indignation is empty.
I would say that the time will come to express my p-fe and it can affect something ... how about not ah, you can’t see such a time and such an opportunity in the future.

[LeonidL]

Crap, crap and crap will, definitely. What else can you expect from them? Why sit there and pay money for spitting?

[demo]

The first question is why did we return there?
Question two - do we pay money?
The third question - why goat button accordion!

[Starover_Z]

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

Their song is good, started over?

[orionvitt]

Quote: Starover_Z

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

Let then return the legally elected President Yanukovych. As an option. And we will see how they agree to this.

[bessmertniy]

Yes, sho there Yanukovych! Let them admit that the dissolution of the USSR was illegal and demand to restore it "as it was."

[Grandfather Crimea]

Yanukovych-option worked out (it's about like the thing that first gently put on))) then lovingly use)) and then thrown away, the second time not using))))))))), everyone forgot about him, and he paid for his betrayal (lost his son, the family crumbled). Pastes are still needed, we must use them to the last. When domestic laws become higher than international, there will again be a wave of g .... a. it’s politics, it’s sometimes irrational ....

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: orionvitt

Let then return the legally elected President Yanukovych. As an option

I would suggest that they give an assessment of the events in Yugoslavia, from the beginning to the proclamation of Kosovo as an independent state; how they got into Iraq; about how to seduce and derbanili Libya; Of course, as they themselves helped create a crisis with migrants ... This is for any talk lovers clublet them talk about more serious European problems

[Hunter 2]

That's Straight. How fresh a thought! Buoy (float) to you and not Crimea!
Why did you return to this zoo called PACE?
Stop supporting "illegal armed groups" and stop "military intervention" ... in general it is beautifully said that they decided not to burden themselves with evidence!

[K-612-O]

So that Pushkin went to Strasbourg and pushed laws on family violence

[Altona]

Quote: K-612-O

So that Pushkin went to Strasbourg and pushed laws on family violence

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Ha, the law on domestic violence has long been in effect in Europe, for example in Spain. According to this law, a man is generally a woman's pet. She can verbally and unsubstantiated accuse him of "violence", and even a sharp remark can be considered "violence". And after that, a man can be kicked out of his own apartment and not allowed there. Given the "intelligence" and "foresight" of many women, they willingly use this. The law is primarily aimed at destroying families and reducing the birth rate. Nowadays, men in Europe often do not want to get married or have long-term relationships.

[smart ass]

In fact, things are not better in the Russian Federation, with a divorce, the children remain with their mother, the jointly acquired money is sawn in half even though she did not work, the peasant receives child support

[Altona]

Quote: Clever man

In fact, things are not better in the Russian Federation, with a divorce, the children remain with their mother, the jointly acquired money is sawn in half even though she did not work, the peasant receives child support

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In fact, I wrote as it stands. In Russia, you can at least live on your "sawn" living space. In Spain, you can be kicked out and not allowed to dispose of your own property, that's the trick, because you are recognized as a "violent person."

[Hto tama]

I think in Mother Russia this is not known to anyone Either the deputies are masahists, or it’s such old Russian fun, and it’s okay for free, but for the money to listen to how your country is blasphemed ...

[Altona]

Quote: Hto tama

Either the deputies are masahists, or it’s such old Russian fun, and it’s okay for free, but for the money to listen to how your country is blasphemed ...

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For money, you can listen to and endure anything, curse on the collar does not hang. Another thing is that after harsh statements, no harsh actions should be taken. And then why all these attacks in the spirit of mating grouse?

[Grandfather Crimea]

Crimea is naturally ours, but you must admit that we are not a party to the direct internal conflict in the Nenki, but we cannot help Donetsk as well. It’s as if everything is clear by default, but the truth is what to hide. Another thing is that they and all the foreigners know everything, but they can’t change and influence. This is from anger. We should get used to it already (the dog barks and the caravan goes))))))))

[solzh]

Quote: Grandfather Crimea

You need to get used to it.

I don’t feel like getting used to it. It’s better to send along a known route with a certain speed.

[Egoza]

Well, you paid, now you can be rude. Money is not refundable

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Egoza

have paid

Haha Another penalty should be paid!

[Dym71]

Quote: Egoza

Well, you paid, now you can be rude.

This is understandable, another interesting thing is why PACE (as a lamp of democracy ) not interested in the opinion of residents of the Crimea?

[orionvitt]

non-observance of human rights, non-compliance with the Minsk agreements and unwillingness to hold accountable those involved in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014.

It is clear on all issues that are not proven, or absurd.

[vvvjak]

Quote: orionvitt

It is clear on all issues that are not proven, or absurd.

So "dashing trouble is the beginning." Then we will also justify the violation of the civil rights of the Tatar-Mongols for the victory over fascism.

[orionvitt]

Quote: vvvjak

Then for the victory on fascism we will make excuses

When this moment comes, you will have to "show" the results of the Second World War. Otherwise it will not work in any way. Everything goes, what can you do, history is cyclical. It is sad, but true, if even now, at the suggestion of the West, even in Russia groans about "victoriousness" are heard. Conclusion, the old pill no longer works, it's time to prescribe a new one.

[anjey]

I would like to wish Tolstoy iron nerves in this PAM and stubborn man, can we really come back in vain ??? Russia is not a whipping boy, it itself can blow so hard that the whole world is in ruins .

[shark]

No, I think not in vain. If they ate from one of our presence, it pounds - it is not in vain. Russia's membership blows away a raid of elitist Europeanism from the vistas of eastern Europe. And this in itself is not enough. A sort of trolling. But Russia, in fact, doesn’t give a damn about the countries of eastern Europe. It is painful they are beggars and everyone is sitting on subsidies. France, Germany, Italy - these are the real goals of our push to Europe. There is business and investment, and a completely different prestige of mutual relations. And these Romania, Poland or (God forgive me) the Baltic tigers)))) let the mattresses remain. Till. Their fate will still be decided in truly European capitals. Why talk to them ...

[bessmertniy]

And it's never too late to go back, As there Eeyore's donkey used to say: "It comes in beautifully, and it comes out beautifully!"

[orionvitt]

The main thing is that it would not become a habit to wander, back and forth. And then you do not have time to get out, as they again begin to call back.

[tihonmarine]

In addition, Moscow was demanded to stop "military interventions" "in the conflict in Donbass and" support for illegal armed groups. "

And what is the name of this Sharashkin office, which does not see the Nazis, fascists and friends of the Fuhrer of Bandera, but blames those who defend their freedom and land, and those who help them. So what do we do in this PACEyushka, why pay money 54 lemons, that would only

The Russian delegation voted against the adoption of this document. According to the head of the Russian delegation Pyotr Tolstoy, Russians were not satisfied with the "boorish approach" towards Russia.

That’s the whole answer, that’s all the unborn or prematurely interrupted actions.

[Grandfather Crimea]

We left, came again. During this time, politicians were playing an undercover game (they are ours, we are ours). Leaving again without long having slammed the door. And the money ..... sometimes we fly in too, who’s the little things, who’s the big one, this is life .

[solzh]

Quote: tihonmarine

And how to name this sharashkin office

Russophobia

Quote: tihonmarine

So what do we do in this PACEyushka, why pay money 54 lemons,

This is what shakes. Pay such bucks and still listen ...

[Altona]

Quote: solzh

This is what shakes. Pay such bucks and still listen ...

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Sergey, PACE represents the interests of the rich, so they have fun there as they can. Attacks on Russia is already a traditional role-playing game for European countries.
Second, PACE was created to exchange legislative practice between European countries. And Russia has already adopted a lot of things from European laws.
Third, having annexed Crimea, Russia nevertheless admits that "Russian" companies do not work in it. And in an amicable way, it is necessary to attach all the other fragments of the USSR in the form of the PMR, DPR-LPR, Abkhazia, South Ossetia. Otherwise, it turns out just pretentious hypocritical chatter. But for this it is necessary to change the economic paradigm, which is clearly not popular in Russia.

[Igor Borisov_2]

What are we doing at this dump? The results of the final Boeing disaster have not yet been published, but should we already attract someone? Nonsense

[bessmertniy]

By the way, the resolution was adopted with a low quorum, 49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained. At the same time, the assembly includes 321 parliamentarians.

Is it possible with such a quorum a resolution can be considered adopted if the majority of all parliamentarians have not voted for it !?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: bessmertniy

Is it possible with such a quorum a resolution can be considered adopted if the majority of all parliamentarians have not voted for it !?

Even in our collective farm meeting this was not the case. Or just fool us.

[ochakow703]

"Once again, Russia was demanded to return Crimea."
Yeah, and the key to the apartment where the money is ...

[Romka]

Well, Russia has already paid the contribution. This is PACE - "funny troops".

[CAT BAIYUN]

I still cannot understand - why was there going back there at all? If it is really necessary to keep an eye on the activities of this shobla of idlers, then you can also keep an eye on the inside. The salary of a "partisan" (or even a group of "partisans") will be several times less than the amount of contributions that Russia pays to these balabolas for voicing their wishes and aspirations.

[Amateur]

Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly (PACE) - advisory Council of Europe body.

PACE cannot demand anything from anyone. It can recommend. And for the word "demand" the Russian Federation needs to "go on vacation" for 1 month and withhold 1/12 of its contribution for the maintenance of this shop. A couple of times they will keep them and all the "demanding people" at the assembly will have their mouths sealed with duct tape.

[leonid-zherebtcov]

I agree. Extremely wise RECOMMENDATION!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: leonid-zherebtcov

I agree. Extremely wise RECOMMENDATION!

They won’t leave, they also have a good monthly salary.

[Masha]

to be expected .... we are needed there as "whipping boys", without us their work stops .... what a stormy activity they had!

[Ham]

Well, they couldn’t directly spoil, they did it in the dill style - according to the mouse

[askort154]

According to the head of the Russian delegation Pyotr Tolstoy, Russians were not satisfied with the "boorish approach" towards Russia.

And what were you counting on ?! It was clear how 35 lemons would be squeezed out of us, they would spit in our faces again, and brazenly. Smart people have long been saying that Russia has nothing to do in these Russophobic gatherings. But we are like rams, we stubbornly climb there.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: askort154

And what were you counting on ?!

Soon, if it goes that way, they may spit in the face.

[leonid-zherebtcov]

GEYropeans in their "rainbow" repertoire ...

[sergo1914]

No, didn’t they look at the classics?

[Air force]

I understand everything that PACE is an additional platform for a dialogue between Europe and Russia, that Russia consistently conveys its point of view and this is useful and other blah blah blah. But where is the dialogue here? Only the accusatory monologue of PACE is heard, this platform has become a platform for Russophobes and that's it. What functions does PACE have? How many breakthrough ideas for the benefit of Europe and Russia have been implemented through this platform? Its resolutions are simply "filkin's letters" are not obligatory for execution, even if they were pro-Russian these resolutions, what's the use of them? And most importantly, Russia was absent from PACE for a long time, did this somehow complicate the life of Russia? No, it made life difficult for PACE itself, so why this charity and encouragement of Russophobia on the part of Russia, a return to an organization that does not in any way affect the life of Russia, but desecrates the feelings of people who respect Russia, if PACE was closed because of its uselessness and the absence of Russia in it? , then there would be one less Russophobic organizations, and the "Bandera fosterlings" would not go for free to Europe where they are provided with a tribune, in Europe there are not so many tribunes of this type, where these profane can practice Russophobia, and there would be even fewer ...

[rosomaha]

and do not show the middle finger to them ... to the very elbow?

[Aliken]

The set of claims is the same. They hastened to return to PACE, they received those contributions and again began to do their part, but they must leave forever.

[cyborg]

By the way, the resolution was adopted with a low quorum, 49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained. At the same time, the assembly includes 321 parliamentarians.

This means that interested persons took part in the voting. Ukronazists, Poles, Baltic tigers and a couple of other countries ready to lick stubs overseas master.
Well, and, of course, Russia, which is forced to constantly fend off these jackals.
The rest of this topic has not been interesting for a long time ...

[Lena Petrova]

Quote: rocket757

Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

They will demand, once again, the payment of contributions, due to the difficult financial situation.

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

Are you a historian, economist, culturologist, lawyer, political scientist, linguist, or who?

Probably, like me, rather no than yes. But we all have the right to express our opinion. If you do not like it, find another form of presentation.

[steelmaker]

"Peter Tolstoy, the Russians were not satisfied with the" boorish approach "towards Russia."
And why are you then trying to communicate with this boor? Yes, pay money to be rude! What kind of families and property in Europe are afraid of?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Hunter 2

Why did you return to this zoo called PACE?

You must be in the camp of the enemy. Be at the forefront of the attack.

[Sapsan136]

Great written! I, too, think that it’s time for people like you to deprive the citizenship of the Russian Federation for anti-Russian activity and to imprison Treason and actions aimed at undermining the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation! With subsequent deportation to the historical Motherland, with confiscation of property! And in your place to populate refugees who came to the Russian Federation from your fascist countries, who were robbed by your Bandera and Basmachi!

[Timurleng]

You see Bandera and Basmachi everywhere,

[Sapsan136]

I don’t imagine, one of them is you ...

[cniza]

Once again, they demanded that Russia return Crimea.

The list of claims also includes: non-observance of human rights, non-compliance with the Minsk agreements and unwillingness to hold accountable those involved in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014.

Once again I ask myself, what are we doing there?

[Prisoner]

I remember the taxi driver from the movie "Brother-2". It turns out that we hang out there beautifully. And we pay a lot of money for the fact that all the husk throws its poop at us. They left beautifully, why did they have to turn around ?!

[cniza]

There is grain there that needs to be cultivated and worked, but our deputies need business trips, Europe and other joys.

[Operator]

Funny in another - one of the members of the delegation of the outskirts voted for the election of Tolstoy as deputy chairman of PACE

[Moonsund]

Theater of the absurd and Orwellian utopia. People, citizens, comrades! Explain why stubbornly go to a dirty bar with painted whores, if there every night they beat you face, spit in it, and name-calling? The old Freud has a clear description, under such deviations, which I observe in our power

[Prisoner]

Required ?! Well done. Now sit and wait for the result. Only you are unlikely to like it. They demanded, you understand!

[georggy]

Once again, they demanded that Russia return Crimea.

Pay your fees further.
It is not out of pocket. Masochists are stupid.

[Lord of the Sith]

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

I demand that the pass do not suffer from garbage and stop supporting the Nazis in the Banderstad.

And to return Ukraine half that belongs to Russia.

[Metallurg_2]

PACE adopted a resolution. We noted that PACE adopted the resolution. And what?

[My_log_in]

And all this for our money !!! Where to find our grandfather Konstantin Makarovich to write a letter to him ...?

[Rostislav]

Once again, they demanded from Russia ...

Once again I think - and what did Russia forget in this adder?
Only in order to ride at public expense abroad? So in the Duma and the Federation Council, almost all millionaires, for them, these costs are not. Well, they can’t be all such stuffies.

[Alex Nevs]

Yes, there are children and business at home.

[Victor March 47]

And what are we doing in this dog lover? Exit, of course, completely and irrevocably. Do not finance even a roll of toilet paper.

[Guru]

We returned to PACE on our own head.

[faterdom]

Damn it! What to do now? This is check and checkmate!

[megadeth]

What guided the Russian government, the return to PACE, the common people can not understand ... some kind of masochism. Only the uninterrupted vaporization of EU oil and gas comes to mind.

[Jarserge]

Interestingly, the Russian delegation turns out to be accomplices in the adoption of this resolution and partially this whole circus is paid from the pocket of Russian taxpayers? After all, it is clear that all the structures of the European Union are the US occupation administration and Russia participating in this circus spits on itself

[Alex Nevs]

Let them return the Integrity of Yugoslavia to Iraq Libya .... Penguins of Antarctica, then we'll see.

[aries2200]

and why in this pass did we get stuck !!!!? we have another reason to bite for 50 million euros paid .. + free business trips to Europe for servants of the people

[Strashila]

"How many times have the world been told (grandfather Krylov), "you,"from a dead donkey ears... (Putin) ", did not hear, then you"stupid people... (Lavrov) ", dear moderator, do not distort the statements of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia ..

[Wolf]

So that you know with whom we do business?
Congresne Dvorana in the Vatican and PACE!

[Wolf]

Symbol Cobre, they were called both Napoleon and Hitler, they all come from 1 kitchen e!

[Azazelo]

The campaign must be sent to all these idiots to the devil ... and don’t give the dough anymore, and a bunch of lackeys will die

[ciujoilu]

Damn like suckers. We have already transferred the money

[Yaro Polk]

For your own money listen to their shit)
It would be better to discuss how the United States wants the floor of Palestine and the Golan Heights to pass to Israel without any referenda)

[fif21]

England withdrew from the European Union. She was interested only in the trade agreement, and Brussels began to impose its own political line. Russia beeps and climbs into the EU under the pretext of “lifting the“ confrontation. ”We are in a hurry, as always, with our peace initiatives.

[Ross xnumx]

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

- Hello PACE! What do you want to please us with after a long absence?
- You must return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass!
- Here you go! Again, "good luck"... This is not for us... Let's do this:
Russia must return Donbass and support Crimea...

Clowns, but some not witty:

[Alexey from Perm]

Why are we in PACE to listen to this over and over again?*

[ivselim]

Why did we return there? So that they would once again pour slop on us at our expense?

[acetophenone]

Shaw? Again? (C) "Wolf and Dog"

[K-50]

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

Isn't your hair cracked? Should I smear some jam on your face?

[Cowbra]

Legally - insignificant. I'll remind you of that. when the Republic of Crimea became a republic. And when it stopped... And who occupied it?

Ridiculous, funny, reckless. crazy... Pomoino

[Goldmitro]

The Russian delegation voted against the adoption of this document. According to the head of the Russian delegation Pyotr Tolstoy, Russians were not satisfied with the "boorish approach" towards Russia.

This is why the West needs Russia in PACE! She will be rinsed there regularly, as the saying goes, in the tail and mane и for her own money and she will also regularly be indignant, but her voice will remain so with the voice of one crying in the wilderness! This obviously will not bring Russia increased prestige in the world! It would have been completely different if Russia had not taken the bait of PACE with an invitation to return with payment of the debt for the slop with which it was poured at PACE in its absence and had categorically refused to participate in this Sabbath of incurable Russophobes! It turns out that PACE pulled off an excellent combination.

[serezhasoldatow]

Our delegation needs to declare that if they continue to spew ... nonsense, then we will not pay. Other arguments for this .. do not work.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

It will take a long time to force the European shitcrats to reason and peace... Although in this case, the Russophobes simply took advantage of the situation: the absence of many PACE deputies (apparently, they went home on the eve of the weekend).

[kimlykvp]

Who is PACE to demand something from Russia? A gang of slackers and fagots. What is our delegation doing in this company? Why is our taxpayer giving them money?

[Sergey Pedenko]

speaking about Crimea, no one remembers the annexation by Ukraine of Sevastopol, which has always been under the union subordination, when it was included in the constitution of 78, this provision contradicted the union law of 1949!

[Sapsan136]

It’s not just Sevastopol, the entire Crimea and other territories were stolen from Russia in violation of the USSR Constitution

[Elephant]

Indeed, three referendums regarding Crimea were not held
1. All-Crimean: “Are you ready to leave the Russian Federation?”
2. All-Russian: “Are you ready to give?”
3. All-Ukrainian: “Are you ready to accept?”

[Sapsan136]

Humor is not bad, but the Stalinist Constitution in force in 1954 directly prohibited the transfer of any territories of one USSR republic to another... So Crimea and so on were stolen from the RSFSR, no matter how much Ukraine wanted to keep silent about it...

[Elephant]

Stolen by force and illegally. There is something to say to apiaries...

[Sapsan136]

That's it...

[Avior]

Do you know how the MSSR was created?....

[Sapsan136]

Well, there was the Ottoman Empire and Romania... this is a military trophy, so to speak... gone to a ridiculous charity

[Avior]

Transfer of territories from the RSFSR and Ukrainian SSR.
And you write that it was directly prohibited....

[Sapsan136]

And there is no need to search, everything has long been found. Based on this, the Supreme Council of Russia recognized the transfer of Crimea in 1954 from the RSFSR as illegal back at 21.05.

[Avior]

Try to find what you wrote in the Constitution...
however, I will help you
USSR Constitution

Article 14. Responsibility of the Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics represented by their highest bodies of state power and
government bodies are subject to:
...
e) approval of changes in borders between union republics;
...
Article 15. The sovereignty of the Union republics is limited only in
the limits specified in Article 14 of the Constitution of the USSR. Outside of these
limits, each union republic exercises state
power yourself. The USSR protects the sovereign rights of the allied
republics
.....
Article 30. The supreme body of state power of the USSR
is the Supreme Council of the USSR.

http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/cnst1936.htm#1

Constitution of the RSFSR

...
16 Article. The territory of the RSFSR cannot be changed without the consent of the RSFSR.
...
Article 22. The supreme body of state power of the RSFSR is the Supreme Council
Article 23. The Supreme Council of the RSFSR exercises all the rights assigned to the RSFSR in accordance with Articles 13 and 19 of the Constitution of the RSFSR, since they are not, by virtue of the Constitution, within the competence of the bodies of the RSFSR accountable to the Supreme Council of the RSFSR: the Presidium of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR, the Council of Ministers of the RSFSR and the Ministries of the RSFSR. ...

https://ru.wikisource.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%83%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%A0%D0%A1%D0%A4%D0%A1%D0%A0/1937/%D0%A0%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_13.03.1948#Глава_I_Общественное_устройство

And you claim that the transfer of territories was prohibited by the Constitution...

[Sapsan136]

Why did Khrushchev hold a referendum in the RSFSR and ask someone? He was a Bandera fascist who seized power through a military coup and shot hungry unarmed people in Novocherkassk and Tbilisi with machine guns... That is why the Supreme Council of Russia on May 21, 1992 recognized the transfer of Crimea from the RSFSR as illegal... Decree of the Supreme Council of Russia No. 2809-1 if anything...

[Avior]

Khrushchev is definitely not on the list of my idols , despite the fact that he was born in the RSFSR, Russian, but you wrote about something else, about the fact that the transfer of territories in those days was, in principle, prohibited by the Constitution?
That's exactly what I'm talking about and only that. Those were the laws...
Please note that in accordance with Article 23 of the Constitution of the RSFSR, even a referendum did not need to be held; a decision of the Supreme Council of the RSFSR was sufficient. Back then, in general, only friendly approval was expected from the people and nothing else. ...

[Sapsan136]

Khrushchev is not Russian, he is a Ukrainian married to a Bandera woman, from western Ukraine...Russians don’t wear vyshenkas...In the sense that Crimea was stolen from Russia by Khrushchev and his gang, this was prohibited...However, both the government of the RSFSR Khrushchev and his gang of fascists didn’t ask, they simply killed those who disagreed

[Avior]

Of course, he wore an embroidered shirt, but...

Nikita Sergeevich Khrushchev was born in 1894 in the village of Kalinovka, Olkhovsky volost, Dmitrievsky district, Kursk province (currently Khomutovsky district, Kursk region) in the family of miner Sergei Nikanorovich Khrushchev (d. 1938) and Ksenia Ivanovna Khrushcheva (1872-1945). There was also a younger sister Irina

His family moved to Donbass when he was 14 years old.
married three times
First wife

Nikita Sergeevich was married three times. He had 5 children: two sons and three daughters.
First wife (1914-1920) Efrosinya Ivanovna Pisareva, died of typhus in 1920.

The third wife was Ukrainian

Nina Kukharchuk was born into a Ruthenian (Ukrainian) family in the village of Wasilew in the Kholm region, which at that time was part of the Russian Empire, now Tomaszow County (Lublin Voivodeship). Her father, Pyotr Vasilyevich (1865-1931), was an ordinary peasant. Mother - Ekaterina Grigorievna Bondarchuk (1862-1943) - also came from a simple peasant family[2].

Only about Bandera, you may have gotten carried away - the Rusyns are perhaps the most non-Bandera part of western Ukraine. And her party biography casts doubt on this.
Why Khrushchev wore embroidered shirts is a mystery.
Still, Donbass was not the most Ukrainized part of the Ukrainian SSR....

[Sapsan136]

From these Kukharchuk Hitler formed the SS division Nachtigal Galicia and the fact that a Ukrainian was born in Russia does not make him Russian... All his life, Khrushchev robbed everyone and dragged the stolen goods to Ukraine...

[Sergej1972]

The transfer of Crimea from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954 was a big political mistake. But there was no ban on the transfer of territory from one union republic to another in the 1936 USSR Constitution. There was a condition - by agreement of both republics and after approval by the union authorities. I won’t talk about the territorial demarcation in Central Asia, partly at the expense of the RSFSR, and the twice-enlarged Belarus, again at the expense of the RSFSR, because this happened under the constitution of 1924. I won’t talk about the transfer of Karakalpakstan from the RSFSR to the Uzbek SSR, but also about the creation of the Kazakh and Kyrgyz SSR on the basis of the two ASSRs that were part of the RSFSR, because this happened during the period of adoption of the new Constitution.
Let's remember 1940 - the Moldavian USSR was formed from half of the Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, which was part of the Ukrainian SSR, and the central and northern regions of Bessarabia returned by Romania. Half of the former Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic remained part of Ukraine, and Southern Bessarabia was annexed to it. In 1940, on the basis of the Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, which was part of the RSFSR, and the areas transferred to our country by Finland following the war, the Karelo-Finnish SSR was formed, a completely artificial entity with three-quarters of the Russian population. In 1944, part of the territory of the Karelo-Finnish SSR (mainly the former Finnish territory) was transferred to the RSFSR and became part of the Leningrad region. But the union republic of the KFSSR existed until 1956. This year it was demoted in status to an autonomous republic within the RSFSR, renamed, and again began to be called the Karelian ASSR. At the end of the war, several Russian regions were transferred from the Estonian SSR and the Latvian SSR to the RSFSR. All of the above changes were carried out either on the proposal of the union republics or in agreement with them. In the 50s and early 60s. there were transfers of small territories from the RSFSR to the Kazakh SSR and from the Kazakh SSR to the RSFSR and transfers of larger territories from Uzbekistan to Kazakhstan and from Kazakhstan to Uzbekistan.

[Sapsan136]

The time will come, we will remember everything, including the reasons for the departure of Russian refugees from the former republics of the USSR... The deception of the United States, which promised peace and friendship, and they themselves began minting medals for victory in the Cold War... The Bible says - I will repay. ..By the way, at the expense of Moldova...Izmail was taken by Russian troops, not Mazepa and Bandera...so this is also at the expense of Russia, not Ukraine...

[Ivan Osipov_2]

Nonsense, not worth attention.

[tap]

Today give them Crimea, but tomorrow what? Putin re-elected?

[dok123]

Just yesterday, on TV, Tolstoy wrote with boiling water that they had returned to PACE, so they are demanding something from us again! Well, why the hell did they come back!?

[Elephant]

So that our officials and officials can go to Geyropa on business trips abroad!

[Sapsan136]

Let them demand houses, from their wives, when they get married... Russia owes all these gentlemen nothing, but the Russian Federation should raise the issue, including the gold stolen from Russia by all sorts of Czech gentlemen, during the civil war in Russia... Regarding the unfulfilled supplies of weapons and ammunition already paid for by Russia...

[VVK]

As I understand it, not a single comment was made in support of our membership in PACE! Well, that's not surprising! There are no masochists!

[dok123]

What to support? Another humiliation for Russia? So ours also paid a penalty for the absence of PACE.
They called us back because they had a problem with the money. And now they have a double benefit - they have received money and now have someone to vilify.

[Elephant]

Before making decisions, let the Paseks first learn history:
In January 1991, at a regional referendum, residents of Crimea recreated the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic as a subject of the USSR and a party to the union treaty.
In December 1991, at a referendum in Crimea, the question of the “status of Crimea” was not raised, and citizens of the USSR were only asked “Do you confirm the Act of Declaration of Independence of Ukraine?” Many Crimeans, in fact, did not object to the independence of Ukraine, which is foreign to us (it is quite obvious that Crimea is not the territory of ethnic Ukraine)

[yfast]

Returning to PACE is like ordering a fight at your wedding.

[alien]

If Russia is not in PACE, who will tell Europe the truth? There is no one except Russia... How about F. Tyutchev: ***
Long on European soil,
Where lies are so overgrown,
A long time Pharisee science
The double truth has been created:
For them - the law and equal rights,
For us - violence and deception...
*** And the whole world, as if intoxicated with lies,
All kinds of evil, all the tricks of evil! ..
No, never so daring is the truth of God
Human curse to battle did not call! ..

And this cry of sympathy for the blind,
World cry to frantic struggle,
Debauchery of minds and distortion of the word -
Everything has risen and everything threatens you,

Oh, native land! such a militia
The world has not seen since the original days ...
Great to know about Russia, your meaning!
Take heart, stand, cross, and overcome!

[Al_lexx]

Get the fuck out of this garbage dump. The European Parliament is nothing at all, just like PACE. There is no one there to negotiate with. And also send them a lot of money. The fact that Russia sends them to distant sexual destinations will only make things worse for them. PACE cried, saying that we kicked you out, but we still need the loot, so come back. We've arrived. And what? To put up with these Euro boors for your own money?
I’m certainly not an expert, but I really don’t understand the meaning of such relationships. It's like taking on a complete @lady.
The UN is also a Yankee dumpster, but at least something can be solved there, taking into account our veto power and the fact that states are still represented there, and not an empty bureaucratic superstructure, which is the European Parliament. And the European Union itself, as an American project to destroy European national states, is already slowly dying. So why should we cling to him? Tea is not like the Baltic people, with an outstretched hand...

[AB]

I wonder how long Russia will remain a member of this organization? When will the State Duma finally hear the people? As long as deputies go to Geyropa on business trips, this will not end.

[Staroshil]

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted a resolution outlining claims against Russia

Did anyone think that it would be different after Russia paid all its dues?

[Avior]

January 28 2020 years

Vice-Speaker of the State Duma of Russia Peter Tolstoy was elected vice-speaker of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE). RIA Novosti reports this.

January 31 2020 years

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted a resolution in which it outlined claims against Russia, in particular regarding Ukraine. This is reported by Russian media.
...
Moscow was demanded to stop “military intervention” in the conflict in Donbass and “support for illegal armed groups” .... the final version of the resolution directly states that “Russia is behind the militias.” Once again, Russia was demanded to return Crimea.
The list of claims also includes: non-compliance with human rights, non-compliance with the Minsk agreements and unwillingness to hold accountable those involved in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014.

The new vice-speaker celebrated his assumption of office... So in the article they decided not to mention this even about his new position. Otherwise, it turns out to be a story about a non-commissioned officer’s widow, who, according to the classics, flogged herself.
But won’t Tolstoy himself sign this resolution now?

[Alexey RA]

The list of claims also includes: non-compliance with human rights, non-compliance with the Minsk agreements and unwillingness to hold accountable those involved in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014.

Did I miss something and was there already an official court decision in which specific individuals were found guilty?
Or has Highly-Like finally replaced both the trial and the verdict?

[NordUral]

Well, as soon as we received the money from the Russian Federation, we immediately went back to the old ways. And why the hell do we need this League of Nations?

[bratchanin3]

I think that Russia’s membership in PACE is beneficial only to Russophobes, but not to Russia itself. I wonder which of the Russian leadership needed to renew this membership?

[Karen]

Quote: bratchanin3

I wonder which of the Russian leadership needed to renew this membership?

I think the main bearer of liberal values, as he positions himself...

[Shura Wii]

Yes, this is how much intelligence you need to have to declare that we pay for all the verdicts of the ECHR, although we consider them unlawful. Who will replace him? That's where..., there are only political p...s in the political beau monde and light pink riffraff, who sold out the USSR at auction and have long passed their stop along with communism, which we built in the 80s... for the many members of the Central Committee CPSU. Maybe it will blow and those who remain will start doing something new, well, build free dugouts, hunt mammoths together...?

[Yuri Kharitonov]

This whole gang needs to be interned, taken to Crimea, and let them in Crimea call on the residents to return to Ukraine. This will be a booth. Dear, dear.

[Chaldon48]

PACE itself should have been involved long ago so that it doesn’t go off the deep end where it’s not asked and be rude

[Nikolai]

Why did you return in passing? - fight back? We must pursue an aggressive offensive policy. Sweep Ukrainians, Poles, Dutch and everyone else in their own lair!

[Shura Wii]

These Gayropians can demand from their embroidered slaves, but from Russia they can only ask in the pose of a drinking deer, and then march in formation on an erotic journey on foot.

[lexx domainus]

I think we need to revoke my membership in PASS until PASS apologizes for this provocation. Russia is actually being forced to admit military aggression against Ukraine.

[Mihail55]

Why are we in PACE??? What changed the absence of the USSR in the League of Nations???

[Joker62]

I have an interesting question: Why is Russia in PACE, and even paying substantial fees, when the Russian delegation is vilified and let go below the plinth??? Or are we so toothless as to tolerate all the antics from PACE members, especially from the 404 Sumerian country???
In my opinion, it is better to leave PACE, stop paying dues and let PACE run its skinny, dirty and smelly paw!

[arnulla]

How is it about hanging out nicely in Brother-2? Here's your answer

[Yury Siritsky]

These idiots haven't gotten tired of spinning the same record over and over again.

[megadeth]

https://www.infox.ru/news/251/230212-satanovskij-obasnil-zacem-rossii-pozorise-v-pase?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com&utm_campaign=dbr

[arnulla]

Ask for a dead donkey...

[nnz226]

Well, why the hell did we return to this PACE and pay money not earned by this office? So that this Western resolution on Crimea and Donbass will be passed against us???

[UA3QHP]

Quote: Olgovich

What loudly, to the whole world, to convey their position.

We have the UN Security Council for these purposes.

[pafegosoff]

PACE?
They're all idiots!

[Serge Koval]

What time? What really supports the conflict in Donbass? It is a fact that Russia always protects countries from Western aggression, but with the Donbass there is an overlap. There are no Russian military in Donbass, there are Americans fighting against the population of Donbass, a fact. And no one has canceled the question, why the West supports the illegal government with money, weapons and psychotropic drugs, and even with its mercenaries helping to kill the civilian population of Donbass!!! The Minsk agreements are violated by Kyiv warriors, and Russia is again to blame for this. A Malaysian Boeing was shot down by a Ukrainian beech, and Russia must answer. How much longer will Russia tolerate the West?

[Ivanov IV]

And was it worth paying money to this “PACE” to listen to idiotic statements addressed to you?????
In Russia, is this a form of Masochism???
Rossi, what, there’s nowhere to put the money? I would understand if our aligarchs would chip in privately via SMS....

[Cowbra]

Russia demanded that PACE stop eating fly agarics at work

[serge siberian]

Yes, in this PACE, no one cares about our MPs. Give them money. We weren’t there for more than one year, and the money was paid for it from the people’s pocket, that is, from the state budget.

[lvov_aleksey]

if we are not there, they will forget, the money is not big, they are greedy, so let them remember and be afraid

[Deathmaker]

They live there in some kind of fictional world.
By the way, what about Kosovo? Have they already returned the territories to Serbia? Or at least banned armed gangs?

[Protos]

Here in Crimea they say this:
"And piss in your mouth, it smelled like the sea"

[Basarev]

It was to be expected. Did the Kremlin think that everything would be forgiven for paying all the arrears to Russia? A very wrong judgment. In Europe they are very sensitive to corruption and therefore did not fall for such a bribery attempt. And besides, weather vane is not in honor there; consistency and persistence reign there. And once they have taken an anti-Russian course, they will be faithful to it to the end. It’s only in our country that they can turn around at full speed, give up on empty space, or abandon strategic ones in the name of short-term interests.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Basarev

Weather vane is not honored there,

made me laugh!!! burn more!!!