PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) adopted a resolution in which it outlined claims against Russia, in particular regarding Ukraine. This is reported by Russian media.


The PACE resolution, adopted the previous day, mainly concerns the discussion of the situation in ten countries at once, including Ukraine and Russia. The Russian delegation voted against the adoption of this document. According to the head of the Russian delegation, Peter Tolstoy, the Russians did not accept a "boorish approach" in relation to Russia.

By the way, the resolution was adopted with a low quorum, 49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained. At the same time, the assembly includes 321 parliamentarians.

The document states that Russia should "step up efforts" to comply with its obligations as a member of PACE. In addition, Moscow was required to stop "military intervention" in the conflict in the Donbass and "support for illegal armed groups." The proposal of the Ukrainian delegation to recognize Russia as a party to the Minsk agreements did not go through, but the final version of the resolution explicitly states that "Russia is behind the militias." Once again, they demanded that Russia return Crimea.

The list of claims also includes: non-compliance with human rights, non-compliance with the Minsk agreements and unwillingness to hold accountable those involved in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014.
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  1. rocket757 31 January 2020 09: 06 New
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    PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....
    1. Same lech 31 January 2020 09: 07 New
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      Let them dream ... the train has long gone.
      1. rocket757 31 January 2020 09: 10 New
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        Quote: The same Lech
        Let them dream ... the train has long gone.

        So they have an old, shabby "schedule" on hand. Some have old tickets ... now phantom breaking is going on there. It is necessary to treat harshly and specifically!
        1. maxim947 31 January 2020 09: 47 New
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          We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.
          1. Alexander Suvorov 31 January 2020 09: 56 New
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            Why pay? PACE is generally "hto" ?! We pay there not a lot of money for the opportunity for our parliamentarians to travel for free on European business trips, nothing more. This Russophobian shop does not solve anything, and none of its decisions have any power. So they can “demand” anything from anyone, even from the Lord God.
            But the fact that our parliamentarians, for the opportunity to devour in European restaurants for a state account, are ready to crawl on their belly if only they weren’t trapped from there, I personally despise all these parliamentarians.
            1. Tatyana 31 January 2020 10: 15 New
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              Quote: maxim947
              We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

              Moreover, as stated in the article
              resolution adopted at LOW quorum, 49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained. At the same time, the assembly includes 321 parliamentarians.
              only 49 +17 +3 = 69 deputies were present in the hall, the remaining 321-69 = 252 deputies are simply “WALKERS”, which Russia also pays for nothing in vain.

              PACE European Deputies are very well financially settled for themselves due to contributions from the Russian Federation!
              1. Thrall 31 January 2020 12: 26 New
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                A simple majority is required to pass a resolution; a recommendation requires a two-thirds majority
                1. kit88 31 January 2020 17: 38 New
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                  Judging by the number of those present, this PACE will never accept a recommendation at all.
                  In general, does anyone know why this PACE exists and what will happen if it does not exist?
                  The sense of their resolutions is less than the resolutions of the club of beer lovers of the village of Small Vasyuki. laughing
                  1. Hautibek Khuranov 31 January 2020 21: 51 New
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                    Marx also wrote that it is useless to persuade Russia that sanctions are also not effective enough. He suggested tougher measures.
                    1. Range 1 February 2020 04: 12 New
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                      If they accept this dregs, then they themselves will PACE.
                  2. Nikolai Grek 1 February 2020 21: 18 New
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                    Quote: kit88
                    why does pace exist

                    for all the good versus all the bad !!! request laughing
                    Quote: kit88
                    what will happen if it does not exist?

                    nothing!!! wassat
                    Quote: kit88
                    The sense of their resolutions

                    as much as from UN GA resolutions !! lol
                2. Tatyana 31 January 2020 19: 10 New
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                  Quote: Thrall
                  A simple majority is required to pass a resolution; a recommendation requires a two-thirds majority

                  In numerical terms, this, as it may turn out, does not change much.

                  For instance. Suppose that, when adopting a recommendation, the PACE quorum was about 70 European deputies. 2/3 from 70 = 47 people.
                  Those. 47 for recommendations <49 people of a simple majority for adopting the resolution itself.
                  TOTAL We can say that with such attendance at meetings and the total number of “truants” among PACE European deputies, PACE policies are determined by the same people in the same countries.
                  1. Nikolai Grek 1 February 2020 21: 19 New
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    PACE policy is determined by the same people in the same countries.

                    because politics was not given to anyone for free !!! lol
              2. Okolotochny 31 January 2020 12: 35 New
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                Another question, what kind of democracy is this when only 21,5% of eligible voters vote? Voted for the resolution as a result of all 15%!!!
                1. opus 31 January 2020 15: 36 New
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                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  Another question is what kind of democracy is this when only votes

                  belay
                  1. Until 2006 in the Russian Federation it was: the elections were considered valid if 20% participated in the regional elections, at least 25% in the federal parliamentary elections and at least 50% in the presidential ones.
                  Federal Law of December 5, 2006 N 225-ФЗ On Amending the Federal Law "On Basic guarantees of suffrage and rights to participate in the referendum of citizens of the Russian Federation "and the Civil Procedure Code of the Russian Federation

                  After 2006, no one is interested in the turnout (well, the governor / minister’s AP will grow up, they will turn up the turnout to 115%)

                  And not only with us

                  2. You want to say that we do not have democracy?


                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  As a result, only 15% voted for the resolution !!!

                  PACE is the assembly of the Council of Europe =advisory body
                  the resolution in question does not fall under article 20
                  shall be adopted unanimously by the representatives participating in the vote, and by a majority of representatives entitled to participate in the work Committee.

                  here like Article 29
                  accepted by the majority two thirds of the vote representatives participating in the vote.

                  Quote: Author
                  49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained

                  -everything's Alright
                  1. Sanichsan 31 January 2020 15: 54 New
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                    Quote: opus
                    -everything's Alright

                    actually yes. because
                    Quote: opus
                    PACE is the Assembly of the Council of Europe = advisory body

                    and as a result, they can adopt resolutions on the need to return Crimea, grant sovereignty to the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, designate Guaido as emperor of the universe, and of course, "all the patsaks muzzles and rejoice" ... in general, accept anything and in any quantity! anyway, it doesn't bother anyone wink
                    but the question remains, why does the Russian Federation pay loot for this booth? request
                    1. opus 31 January 2020 15: 58 New
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                      Quote: SanichSan
                      but the question remains, why does the Russian Federation pay loot for this booth?

                      get-together

                      from the point of view of reason, there’s nothing for us to do there.
                      at least the ECHR
                    2. Okolotochny 2 February 2020 10: 30 New
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                      The usual policy is when it’s profitable for me, then we use it when it’s not profitable for me — and who are you? Just politics. And so it is not only with us, so throughout the world. Now it’s beneficial to talk about the percentage of voters.
                  2. Passing 1 February 2020 13: 50 New
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                    Quote: opus
                    2. You want to say that we do not have democracy?

                    In all countries where the turnout is less than 50%, there is no democracy. Democracy is the power of the people, i.e. majority, and here the power of part of the people. In Latin, the part is part, i.e. this system is PARTY laughing
                    1. Sanichsan 3 February 2020 14: 25 New
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                      Quote: Passing by
                      Democracy is the power of the people those. the majority

                      yes, democracy is the power of the people, why did you come up with some majority? where in the word democracy is a reference to the majority?
                      in Russia we have real democracy! bourgeois. the people who own power live on the ruble. they form a list of candidates for elections of 3-4 clowns and who should be chosen. all type honestly wink
                      1. Passing 3 February 2020 16: 05 New
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                        Quote: SanichSan
                        where in the word democracy there is a link to the majority

                        It is implicit, but obvious, because its fundamental essence is the will of the demos - the work of power in the interests of the demos. To reveal this will, the mechanism of "elections" was invented. Those. ideally, 100% vote and the will of the majority comes to light.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        in Russia, real democracy! bourgeois. the people who own power live on the ruble.
                        Yes, I agree with you, except for one thing - this is not democracy. This is a kind of elective system, partocracy there, the bourgeoisie, or whatever else.
                        Initially, the demos are generally all citizens with suffrage, i.e. demos - all free people, later the elite self-excluded from the demos, i.e. common people became the demos, and above them the elite. From this moment on, democracy has died. For democracy directly contradicts the interests of the elite, and therefore they have successfully come up with various clever tricks, such as the "electoral system" - the demos are completely deprived of real suffrage, the "legitimization of the low threshold of turnaround" - the will of the majority of the demos is replaced by the will of the minority, for which it is much more realistic to go to local concessions without trimming the lion's piece of elite pie too much. And this I do not consider simply arrogant deception, PR manipulation.
                        Well, and your example, "creating an imaginary choice", the most important element, it works perfectly together with the above, repeatedly mutually reinforcing.
                        But this is not democracy, not the power of the demos!
                      2. Sanichsan 3 February 2020 16: 34 New
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                        Quote: Passing by
                        It is implicit, but obvious, because its fundamental essence is the will of the demos - following the power of the will of the demos. To reveal this will, the mechanism of "elections" was invented. Those. ideally, 100% vote and the will of the majority comes to light.

                        you are charmingly naive! smile look at the homeland of democracy - Greece. Yes, in Greece, citizens had the right to vote, but what was the percentage of citizens from those who lived in Greece? very not great.
                        the only democracy that reflected the interests of the majority is communist democracy in the USSR. all other democracies stood in the service of the interests of an influential minority. you can check it yourself.
                        everyone really likes the power of the people but no one specifies who the "people" are.
                        Quote: Passing by
                        Yes, I agree with you, except for one thing - this is not democracy.

                        you're wrong. the whole trick is who in the country is the "people." let's say you and I are citizens of the country. I am a seller, you are a buyer. I want to sell more, you want to buy cheaper. which of us is your "people" and whose interests will democracy protect? in reality, the interests of the ruling class will be protected. I’m not talking only about modern Russia, it will be so in any democratic country. do you have the right to vote? so vote! nothing changes from this? Well, sorry, this is democracy. request
                        rude, but such is the reality.
                      3. Passing 3 February 2020 17: 23 New
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                        Quote: SanichSan
                        you are charmingly naive!

                        I assure you that I am not at all charming, and even less so naive. angry
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        citizens had the right to vote, but what was the percentage of citizens from those who lived in Greece? very not great.

                        Demos in Greece consisted of all available people - the Greeks, all these people had the right to vote. In addition to people in Greece, there were horses, hens, women, children, slaves. What is the difference what percentage of people to non-people? Let's not deal with manipulations! winked
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        the whole trick is who in the country is "people"
                        No hitch, there are long-established names of each group. Today, the Nation, the People, this is not a demos, a demos is only and exclusively an “ordinary people”, i.e. all who are not elite.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        I want to sell more, you want to buy cheaper. which of us is your "people" and whose interests will democracy protect?

                        Democracy will protect the interests of those more. More buyers, roll there, more sellers, roll here. No need to complicate simple and obvious things.
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                        in reality, the interests of the ruling class will be protected

                        Undoubtedly. Only this is not democracy. Anything but not her.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        Well, sorry, this is democracy ... but such is the reality.

                        Agreeing with this, we ourselves legitimize the false thesis introduced by the government itself, through which power is legitimized! what
                      4. Sanichsan 3 February 2020 17: 45 New
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                        No hitch, there are long-established names of each group. Today, the Nation, the People, this is not a demos, a demos is only and exclusively an “ordinary people”, i.e. all who are not elite.

                        and why the elite is not the people? do they live in another country? or are deprived of voting rights? or all who make decisions that you don’t like - are they not the people?
                        Quote: Passing by
                        Democracy will protect the interests of those more. More buyers, roll there, more sellers, roll here. No need to complicate simple and obvious things.

                        give me at least one example when democracy defended the rights of those who are more, and not those who are stronger and more influential.
                        Quote: Passing by
                        Undoubtedly. Only this is not democracy. Anything but not her.

                        she is the most. the power of the people in all its glory. democracy defends the interests of the ruling class. in the USSR, the ruling class were workers and peasants, and democracy defended their interests; in Russia, the ruling class is the big bourgeoisie, and democracy in Russia protects the interesting big bourgeoisie.
                        Quote: Passing by
                        Agreeing with this, we ourselves legitimize the false thesis introduced by the government itself, through which power is legitimized!

                        agreeing? and this is why? in my opinion, the arrival in the world of illusions that some people will decide something by a majority vote is much more harmful than sensibly assessing the real state of affairs.

                        Once again I ask you to give at least one example of the very democracy that you consider to be true.
                        forget about Greece right away. there decided the patricians. plebeians could go up and rake over the hat.
                      5. Passing 3 February 2020 18: 19 New
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                        Quote: SanichSan
                        and why the elite is not the people?

                        Where did I say that? Tinkering with what I really said, to be straightforward generally obvious:
                        People = demos + elite or People = "simple people" + ruling class
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        give me at least one example when democracy defended the rights of those who are more.

                        You yourself brought him-the USSR after Stalin. The ruling class was the majority; decisions were made in the interests of the majority. Democracy.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        in Russia, the ruling class is the big bourgeoisie, and democracy in Russia defends the interests of the big bourgeoisie.

                        A certain kratiya protects the interests of the smaller part to the detriment of the larger. And here is democracy?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        agreeing? and this is why?

                        Do you understand the fundamental importance of the legitimacy of power to the people? Why do you think the 17 year revolution happened? Tops could not, bottoms did not want? This is a consequence. Tops anywhere in the world could not, but the bottom did not want only in Russia and Germany, because it was there that the authorities lost legitimacy in the heads of the people!
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        In my opinion, the arrival in the world of illusions that some people will decide something by a majority of votes is much more harmful than sensibly assessing the real state of affairs.

                        You are breaking through the open gate. I didn’t say a hint that let's build real democracy in Russia. I understand that within the framework of the current paradigm of the primacy of the personal over the public, in a large country integrated into the world system, this is impossible. I just urge you to take a sober look at things when they tell you that this power has been chosen democratically, and in general we (without reference specifically to Russia) live in democracy, you are arrogantly and cynically deceived.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        forget about Greece right away. there decided the patricians. plebeians

                        But why should I forget about Greece, that was where the first known democracy was. For a while, until the elite perverted the essence.
                        But plebeians and patricians are towards Rome, naturally, there was no smell of democracy there.
                      6. Sanichsan 4 February 2020 14: 07 New
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                        Quote: Passing by
                        Where did I say that? Tinkering with what I really said, to be straightforward generally obvious:
                        People = demos + elite or People = "simple people" + ruling class

                        Quote: Passing by
                        Today, the Nation, the People, this is not a demos, a demos is only and exclusively an “ordinary people”, i.e. all who are not elite.

                        you’ve already decided whether someone is turning you around like this or that. try to express your ideas less contradictory wink already decide who the people, the people + the elite or the people - the elite?
                        Quote: Passing by
                        You yourself brought him-the USSR after Stalin. The ruling class was the majority; decisions were made in the interests of the majority. Democracy.

                        what is it after? just under Stalin. it was under Stalin that the workers and peasants began to force to participate in the political life of the country. driven to meetings and so on.
                        Quote: Passing by
                        A certain kratiya protects the interests of the smaller part to the detriment of the larger. And here is democracy?

                        demoscratia. it’s still not clear where does the multiplicity come from?
                        Quote: Passing by
                        Tops anywhere in the world could not, but the bottom did not want only in Russia and Germany, because it was there that the authorities lost legitimacy in the heads of the people!

                        actually in the USA, for example. read how many uprisings were crushed in the United States, but there somehow the revolution did not work. it’s more correct to say that only in countries where the government has lost control over the situation in the country. this is exactly what happened in the Russian Empire and in Germany.
                        Quote: Passing by
                        I understand that within the framework of the current paradigm of the primacy of the personal over the public, in a large country integrated into the world system, this is impossible.

                        I agree. the liberal idea is one of the main tools of the bourgeoisie, along with fascism. everything that allows you to divide people by dividing them into small fractions is useful for the capitalist.
                        Quote: Passing by
                        I just urge you to take a sober look at things when they tell you that this power has been chosen democratically, and in general we (without reference specifically to Russia) live in democracy, you are arrogantly and cynically deceived.

                        the whole difference between you and those who say that democracy in Russia is the definition of a people in which you write one or the other. otherwise, all democratic instruments are present. do you have a vote there is. Do you freely express your position? yes, right here and now.
                        Quote: Passing by
                        But why should I forget about Greece, that was where the first known democracy was. For a while, until the elite perverted the essence.

                        OK. put the question differently. democracy was perverted in all countries at all times, including in the homeland of democracy, in Greece, as the Greeks themselves wrote. how do you expect to create a democracy that "will not be perverted"?
                      7. Passing 4 February 2020 17: 20 New
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                        I don’t understand the essence of your claims. You cited two of my statements as contradicting each other
                        Quote: Passing by
                        The people, this is not a demos, the demos is only and exclusively "ordinary people", i.e. all who are not elite.

                        Quote: Passing by
                        People = demos + elite or People = "simple people" + ruling class

                        But where, where is the contradiction here ??? Once again, the concept of people was once equal to the concept of demos, but after that went the division of the concept of people into demos and the elite, into "ordinary people" and "ruling class." What is incomprehensible here? What is there to chew?
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        under Stalin, workers and peasants began to be forced to participate in the country's political life. driven to meetings and so on.

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        democracy. it’s still not clear where does the multiplicity come from?

                        Quote: SanichSan
                        the whole difference between you and those who say that democracy in Russia is the definition of a people in which you write one or the other. otherwise, all democratic instruments are present. do you have a vote there is. Do you freely express your position?

                        I understood your problem, you, and the whole world, have replaced in their heads the essence of the concept of “democracy” with technical aspects such as “democratic institutions”, “elections”, “voting rights”, “fair elections”. Those. in your idea of ​​democracy, deliberately formed from the outside, the very essence is the power of the majority, secondary, inconsequential, and the technical aspects, secondary, are put into essence, and most importantly. Therefore, for you, the current government acting in the interests of the minority is democracy, because the essence of democracy is the "majority power", it is secondary to you, and the presence of fetishes is an "elective system", "freedom of speech," etc. this is for you democracy itself. This is the most ambitious manipulation, the substitution of concepts in history !!!
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        how do you expect to create a democracy that "will not be perverted"?

                        Naturally abandoning all compromised instruments of "election", "freedom of speech", etc.
                        To carry out the function of “managing society” and its technical aspect of “revealing the will of the majority”, outside of society, so that these functions are not subject to the corrupting influence of society itself. Naturally, I won’t say how to do this, because I don’t know, so individual glimpses are work for the future of Marx.
                      8. Sanichsan 4 February 2020 17: 44 New
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                        Quote: Passing by
                        Naturally abandoning all compromised instruments of "election", "freedom of speech", etc.
                        totalitarianism? it seems so called? what
                        but in principle I agree. good elections have long been a farce, and "freedom of speech" has been replaced by "freedom to lie."
                        Quote: Passing by
                        To carry out the function of “managing society” and its technical aspect of “revealing the will of the majority”, outside of society, so that these functions are not subject to the corrupting influence of society itself. Naturally, I won’t say how to do this, because I don’t know, so individual glimpses are work for the future of Marx.

                        it is possible to implement within a single information field. apparently everything goes to this ...
                        but a reasonable question arises, what will stop the structure "outside the society" from usurpation of power?
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                        Quote: SanichSan
                        totalitarianism? it seems so called?

                        totalitarianism does not have a sane feedback mechanism. So, rather, something based on technocracy.
                        Quote: SanichSan
                        What will stop the structure "outside the society" from usurpation of power?

                        This is problem. I could say that rationalism will stop, such as the threat of rebellion, an external factor in the form of rival Democrats, but this is not a guarantee. I will leave her decision to the future Marx’s share ...
                      10. Sanichsan 5 February 2020 14: 16 New
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                        Quote: Passing by
                        I could say that rationalism will stop, such as the threat of rebellion, an external factor in the form of rival Democrats, but this is not a guarantee.

                        I would say that it will be guaranteed to be quite the opposite, that is, usurpation. for example, now we have a pronounced supranational structure called the "leadership of the country" and they protect their own interests at the expense of society. request
  2. opus 8 February 2020 00: 41 New
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    Quote: Passing by
    In all countries where the turnout is less than 50%, there is no democracy.

    Does it mean that there is no "democracy" in the world?
    good
    why comment here?
  • Okolotochny 2 February 2020 10: 27 New
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    And where does Russia? Is she teaching someone the "principles of democracy"? I speak for "teachers". And what a habit, in which case to switch to - “but in Russia” !!!
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    This is the norm in Europe. The minority determines the future.
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      Quote: nemez
      This is the norm in Europe. The minority determines the future.

      from this all troubles .. soon necrophilia, pedophilia and bestiality will be legalized !!! request
  • mikh-korsakov 31 January 2020 10: 59 New
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    Alexander! So I think, why? Well, suppose Tolstoy found how to “cut off” a Ukrainian journalist in the Crimea. On this occasion, our media trumpeted the victory. So what? So Tolstoy became proficient in political talk shows. He knows how. What's next? Then he was elected vice, apparently in PACE they understood well the guy knows how to speak the language in the spoken genre, there are such people. But, it turns out, there are eighteen or twenty vice-chairmen per one chairman, although in the USA one vice-president doesn’t live anything and the Russian Federation pokes his nose into the garbage can regularly. PACE also, in spite of all the vice-chairmanship of Tolstoy, adopted the resolution which they need. So, I agree, the event is expensive, and the results are zero
    1. Alexander Suvorov 31 January 2020 11: 11 New
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      Michael, what results can there be? This is a Russophobian talking room of pure water, and even deciding nothing.
      To defend positions on the world stage, there is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Lavrov apparently copes with his duties! But this viper should have been dispersed for a long time, but then where then will our beloved deputies ride for foie gras and parmesan? Yes, and for free.
      The contribution to this dump is about 40 lyam evergreens, and this is more than 2,5 billion rubles. The average plant seats 500 workers, you can easily organize 500 million. Total minus five plants and minus 2500 jobs annually. This is so according to conservative estimates.
      Those. the state has funds for useless squandering, but for supporting retirees or, say, sick children, for whom all television channels are not embarrassed to collect a thread from the world, as it didn’t ... request
      1. Genry 31 January 2020 11: 55 New
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        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        This is a Russophobian talking room of pure water, and even deciding nothing.

        1. Kronos 31 January 2020 14: 47 New
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          From the ECHR the benefits of ordinary citizens of Russia who can seek justice in the courts
          1. Range 31 January 2020 16: 11 New
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            But for some reason the West is ignoring this ECHR for itself. Especially shaving and yankees.
          2. Nikolai Grek 1 February 2020 21: 25 New
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            Quote: Kronos
            ECHR benefits ordinary people

            what but, in a strange way, the fighters with RYZHIM get the benefit !!! wassat
  • Warrior with machine gun 31 January 2020 12: 16 New
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    It’s easier and cheaper to return Tolstoy’s home, there’s zero sense from him and the team, only the costs of this non-free talking room, and if he doesn’t have a pass, then go ahead, to his health, but at his own expense.
    1. Fan-fan 1 February 2020 20: 09 New
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      Maybe at least someone will ever ask Putin a question - what is the benefit to us from participating in this PACE?
      1. rocket757 1 February 2020 20: 40 New
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        Quote: Fan-Fan
        Maybe at least someone will ever ask Putin a question - what is the benefit to us from participating in this PACE?

        Yes, it seems like “native father” has moved off the external agenda ... then, live broadcast “ask the question of GDP”, very conditionally “direct”. "filtering" however.
  • Hautibek Khuranov 31 January 2020 21: 46 New
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    for SMALL money
  • Olgovich 31 January 2020 11: 38 New
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    Quote: maxim947
    It was we who worked hard, tried, paid a lot of money .. Why ??

    What loudly, on the whole worldcommunicate your position.

    And where else to declare about it so that it FORCEDLY listened and everyone knew?

    And everyone should know her, so that no one could distort or shut her up.

    And for all these resolutions, spit, because Russia defends. their citizens, their people and their interests.

    And this is the main thing!
    1. Alexander Suvorov 31 January 2020 12: 17 New
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      Olgovich (Andrey)
      What loudly, to the whole world, to convey their position.
      For this, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense exist!
      And where else to declare about it so that it FORCEDLY listened and everyone knew?
      Well, they listened, spat and rubbed. Then what?
      And everyone should know her, so that no one could distort or shut her up.
      Do not tell my slippers how their media will provide information, so their people will think.
      And for all these resolutions, spit, because Russia defends. their citizens, their people
      In which place?! The bourgeois state absolutely does not care about their people, but they sacredly observe their interests.
    2. 210ox 31 January 2020 13: 39 New
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      Russia does not protect its citizens in PACE. Only the actions of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. What can be protected in a European bureaucratic superstructure?
  • polar fox 31 January 2020 11: 51 New
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    We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

    and this, my friend, we have such a break.
  • artifact 31 January 2020 12: 33 New
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    We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

    it was necessary to propose, to allocate which thread a percentage of the amount that was paid to give our delegation as a bonus. or buy them on an expensive cruise ticket. and the money would be partially saved, and most importantly, they would not be dishonored before Europe ...
  • lis-ik 31 January 2020 13: 06 New
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    We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

    So that deputies could ride there at the state expense.
  • 210ox 31 January 2020 13: 32 New
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    That's it and that .. And what's next? Will we pay for it? Well, basically nothing unusual. As with gas transit. Pay and repent. Although both cheeks were inflated in the Kremlin and around.
  • Looking for 31 January 2020 15: 15 New
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    really it was not clear that these "brothers" would be crap constantly.
  • NEXUS 31 January 2020 16: 29 New
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    Quote: maxim947
    We tried it, we tried, we paid a lot of money to the European deputies with the aim that now we were being poured with mud there ... Why ??? I don’t understand.

    The question is in PACE and in WADA and in the IOC and in the OSCE. The question is, what did we forget there, given the current format of our relationship with us, and for what purpose do we carry money there?
    Tell me that we don’t need to distance ourselves from the entire civilized world? So they are trying to push us to the side. Maybe the time has come to respond harshly with deeds, and not just more talkatively?
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      in WADA

      Quote: NEXUS
      - why did we forget there

      are we there ??? what and aren’t all the problems right now with sports from the fact that Euromeres are running in Wada ??? am
  • Paul Siebert 31 January 2020 10: 23 New
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    The European Union is crumbling under their nose - today Britain has left it, and they are again - money for fish.
    With such attempts, they will fight for the "return of Crimea" for decades, right up to the last member remaining in the European Union! smile
  • Lelek 31 January 2020 11: 29 New
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    ... now phantom breaking goes there.

    hi Victor.
    Do we need to participate in this process? Such "breaking" will be repeated every time it comes to Russia. Why the hell did we plunge into this guano again? Misunderstandings.
    1. rocket757 31 January 2020 11: 42 New
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      Do we need to participate in this process?

      Hi lion soldier
      And this time, the upper ones themselves decided that it was like something we / they needed sideways.
      This is no longer funny ... because the people, for a long time, did not ask anything ...
      I was very surprised that the "father of my own" started a conversation about the fact that people need to be asked something !!!
      However, as always, the "correctly" posed question ends with the "correct" count of answers!
      1. polar fox 31 January 2020 11: 52 New
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        I was very surprised that the "father of my own" started a conversation about the fact that people need to be asked something !!!

        they were in vain surprised ... the main thing is to understand whom the guarantor considers for "people".
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          A guarantor, by definition, cannot have citizens divided into people and not ... if such a circumstance exists, he is no longer a guarantor.
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            1. Den717 31 January 2020 12: 12 New
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              if he worn himself with the constitution

              Can you prove it?
            2. rocket757 31 January 2020 12: 13 New
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              Do not consider them so primitive ... they simply "gracefully" circumvent laws on the external contour! It seems they didn’t violate anything, directly, but still, somehow it’s not ah, it all looks.
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  • Svarog 31 January 2020 09: 15 New
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    Let them dream ... the train has long gone.

    He didn’t go anywhere .. We tried to return there, paid our debts, etc. .. Peter Tolstoy won’t be happy with PACE’s specific claims .. but:
    Peter Tolstoy, the Russians did not accept the "boorish approach" in relation to Russia.

    Without due respect to Peter reacted ..
    1. Same lech 31 January 2020 09: 17 New
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      I talked about Crimea hi ... well, the fact that Peter is rude is so normal ... we are on someone else’s site ... we can say at the table a crook and a scammer and he will cheat on four hands.
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        KCA 31 January 2020 09: 35 New
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        It’s unlikely that he’s rude to him personally, because after a meeting you can meet him somewhere on the sidelines, the ambulance may not have time
        1. Svarog 31 January 2020 09: 43 New
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          Personally, he’s hardly rude,

          So in this case, you need to identify a distinct position of Russia on the situation in the Donbass and the Crimea .. and not refer to the boorish approach .. What approach can be expected from a bunch of American vassals, whom we pay money for our voice to be heard in this viper ..
          1. Golovan Jack 31 January 2020 10: 36 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            you need to identify a distinct position of Russia on the situation in the Donbass and Crimea ..

            According to the "Crimea" - the position is indicated more than clearly. According to the Donbass, as they say - "reasonable is enough."

            What is your claim, please be kind?

            Quote: Svarog
            we pay money for our voice to be heard in this gadyushnik

            Here you are (almost) right. PACE is precisely a place for the exchange of views and the designation of their, ahem, positions on various issues.

            For this, money is paid. Everything is simple.
            1. g1washntwn 31 January 2020 13: 39 New
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              Why sharpen lasy for a wagon of money when the price of a ticket to the Crimea is one euro paper. Come and see for yourself. You never know what is there on the fence in front of this PACE, Ukrainians and Americans are writing. They have long been informed of their position: Crimea decided everything on its own. Kuril Islands - Russia. Anyone who encroached on the integrity of our country will at least not indulge in indulgence. What else can be discussed in this "deputy Davos"?
              1. Golovan Jack 31 January 2020 13: 45 New
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                Why sharpen lasy for a wagon of money ...

                Here, I found a funny picture. On the move laughing


                Do you think all these countries are alternatively gifted? They - just think - all, as one, this PACE money flesh belay
                1. g1washntwn 31 January 2020 13: 57 New
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                  I think that in this "club of interests" the Russian Federation with its position is clearly superfluous.
                  To climb into the present PACE is the same as foolishly breaking into the Blue Oyster. But we know from the movies what's inside, right? winked
                  1. Golovan Jack 31 January 2020 14: 55 New
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                    Quote: g1washntwn
                    I think that in this “club of interests” the Russian Federation with its position is clearly superfluous

                    Well, if you so you think, then she’s definitely superfluous there. However, apparently, not everyone thinks so, so the RF is there. Nothing personal, just a statement of fact yes

                    At the UN, by the way, it is no better - the RF there is also superfluous, in your opinion? wink
                  2. Nikolai Grek 1 February 2020 21: 31 New
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                    At the UN, by the way, it is no better - the RF there is also superfluous, in your opinion?

                    what We remain in the UN Security Council, and the rest can be sent as unnecessary !!! drinks wassat good
  • rocket757 31 January 2020 09: 22 New
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    The officials and "servants of the people" have a clear desire to bump into geyrops, rub their elbows with colleagues!
    If only we questioned a significant number of our citizens, on the account of whether we need this PACE and everything else gayropey ??? After all, they would definitely know the address \ direction where they should have been sent \ thrust!
    I have no doubt about the direction! In this case, the enviable unanimity of our citizens is guaranteed!
    1. Svarog 31 January 2020 09: 25 New
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      If only we questioned a significant number of our citizens, on the account of whether we need this PACE and everything else gayropey ??? After all, they would definitely know the address \ direction where they should have been sent \ thrust!

      If we were asked, and most importantly, our opinion was taken into account, I think that everyone would have a positive attitude towards the authorities ... well, certainly the vast majority.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich 31 January 2020 09: 37 New
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        Are you a historian, economist, culturologist, lawyer, political scientist, linguist, or who?
        Are you competent enough to recognize the responsibility and consequences of your advice at the level you specified?
        1. solzh 31 January 2020 10: 16 New
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          Are you a historian, economist, culturologist, lawyer, political scientist, linguist, or who?
          Are you competent enough to recognize the responsibility and consequences of your advice at the level you specified?

          The question is not for me, but I decided to answer. For example, I am an economist. Am I competent? I don’t know, yes rather than no. But are those competent at the top who made the decision to return Russia to PACE and paying contributions to this frankly Russophobic organization?
          1. Serg65 31 January 2020 10: 37 New
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            For example, I am an economist.

            Something a lot on the website of economists divorced! An economist ... and who work?
            1. solzh 31 January 2020 10: 49 New
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              Quote: Serg65
              and work by

              I have been working as a tax consultant for 20 years.
              Quote: Serg65
              Something a lot on the website of economists divorced!

              So economic education received!
              1. Serg65 31 January 2020 10: 57 New
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                Quote: solzh
                I have been working as a tax consultant for 20 years.

                Those. at the dawn of a career directly involved in the heyday of corruption?
                Quote: solzh
                So economic education received!

                Well, yes, but economists haven’t worked for a day wink
            2. Nikolai Grek 1 February 2020 21: 33 New
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              Quote: Serg65
              Something a lot on the website of economists divorced

              yes here is a division of eXperts with a wide profile, and not just economists !!! wink laughing
          2. Golovan Jack 31 January 2020 10: 45 New
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            The question is not for me, but I decided to answer

            They did everything right.

            Kill yourself, and help out your comrade (in this case, Comrade Svarog) good laughing
          3. Sidor Amenpodestovich 31 January 2020 11: 07 New
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            PACE, like the UN, is an official international platform where Russia can and should express its separate opinion on any issues discussed there, make statements.
            All this will be recorded without fail. And in these protocols, Russian representatives will certainly poke their faces, like fined animals into a puddle, all sorts of different, with the words: "But we said, we warned." Or vice versa: "But didn’t you then say the exact opposite?"
            And no one can object.
            1. hydrox 31 January 2020 11: 51 New
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              And no one can object.

              But no one will do anything and the result will ALWAYS be zero.
              But as mikh-korsakov said, there are more of them, so we will ALWAYS walk around, to put it mildly, “dirty”, and the herd instinct (together with collective guilt!) Will only strengthen and emphasize the unacceptability of any Russian position
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              And no one can object.

              It’s not a matter of objection (this is of little interest to anyone), but only UN resolutions are MANDATORY (with SANCTIONS if not executed!), And the “PACE dumpster” does not oblige anyone to anything
              1. Nikolai Grek 1 February 2020 21: 37 New
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                Quote: hydrox
                but only UN resolutions are MANDATORY

                you already specify ... the UN has a GA, the resolutions of which have the same force as the resolutions of the passe !!! request wassat UN Security Council - here is our ffffffsёёёё !!! soldier the rest at the UN can be sent to the same place as the pass !!! request lol
                1. hydrox 2 February 2020 11: 28 New
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                  Normally.
                  For the strong: “What do you want?”, For the rest - the Charter.
      2. rocket757 31 January 2020 10: 11 New
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        If we were asked, and most importantly, our opinion was taken into account,

        Dreams, dreams, are not touched even by the fact that almost everywhere this happens.
        And about the COMPETENCE of the PEOPLE, a simple person! empty excuses to highlight some kind of "super competent" over all, it is always and everywhere called the same - arrogant goats from the radish.
        We saw and we see what and how these ... radishes have also heaped in OUR COUNTRY.
      3. Serg65 31 January 2020 10: 35 New
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        If we were asked, and most importantly, our opinion was taken into account

        And you, I'm sorry, who is this?
  • knn54 31 January 2020 09: 23 New
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    What to discuss - less than a third of the deputies participated.
    1. rocket757 31 January 2020 09: 34 New
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      What to discuss - less than a third of the deputies participated.

      And which of the inhabitants watched the lists of voters, was interested in percent?
      Most will be told that "Baba Yaga is against," and then everyone’s choice is their own.
      We do not care, and again Svidomo jumpers will suit ... overwhelmed.
    2. solzh 31 January 2020 10: 17 New
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      What to discuss - less than a third of the deputies participated.

      No matter how many they were, the main thing is that they were accepted.
      1. Okolotochny 31 January 2020 12: 39 New
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        How unimportant? Voted for only 15%.
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          How unimportant? Voted for only 15%.

          at least 100% ... it's all useless scribbles !!! drinks wassat
  • NEXUS 31 January 2020 11: 23 New
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    Let them dream ... the train has long gone.

    The point is not in the train, but in the fact that they admit the idea of ​​opening their mouths in our direction and demanding something. Well, the answer is ...
    To say so, we will return Crimea when the United States returns Texas to Mexico, and to us Alaska and California. As for the Donbass, let the United States dismantle all 800 of its bases and stop supporting the fascist regimes. Then there will be no wars, deaths and claims.
    But this is all the lyrics. The reality is that in the information war we shamelessly lose.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 31 January 2020 18: 07 New
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      in the information war, we shamelessly lose ...... but on the gas needle the whole articulate Europe, this is enough, how it is heated, and Vaska eats and listens
  • Russobel 31 January 2020 13: 42 New
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    Everything is of course ridiculous, But ...
    Russia that in PACE returned to bring money.
    How much can they smile, you need to send them and stop paying fees.
    "Until the Basurmans themselves die or weaken ..."
  • smart ass 31 January 2020 09: 16 New
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    I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?
    1. Svarog 31 January 2020 09: 19 New
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      I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?

      Masochism .. obviously likes the flogging of the public .. wassat we also pay money for this ...
      1. solzh 31 January 2020 10: 23 New
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        Masochism .. obviously like the flogging of the public .. we also pay money for this ...

        It would be better if they loved the classics wink Everything is safer
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        Masochism .. obviously likes the flogging of the public ..

        ------------------------
        Vladimir, if the high gentlemen have passports or permanent residence in Switzerland, Austria, Malta, Cyprus, Spain, Italy, this does not matter. Lord nobles simply represent the interests of the "Papuans" of Russia, but rather imitate it with big words.
        1. hydrox 31 January 2020 12: 26 New
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          But if the Russian deputies didn’t have permanent residence in Europe, then interest in this PACE membership (and the possibility of regularly going there at our expense!) Would immediately be blown away. yes
    2. rocket757 31 January 2020 09: 25 New
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      Most of our people just spit when this topic arises again and again.
    3. New Year day 31 January 2020 09: 36 New
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      I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?

      Departure of deputies to the EU for work, diplomatic immunity. We are on the drum
      1. solzh 31 January 2020 10: 25 New
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        Quote: Silvestr

        Departure of deputies to the EU for work, diplomatic immunity. We are on the drum

        Money is a pity for taxpayers on such trips. It would be better for this money to help some child, otherwise we will collect everything by SMS.
        1. Serg65 31 January 2020 10: 39 New
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          otherwise I’ll collect everything

          Have you ever helped?
          1. solzh 31 January 2020 10: 54 New
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            Have you ever helped?

            Helped more than once. Did you help yourself?
            1. Serg65 31 January 2020 10: 59 New
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              Did you help yourself?

              And I help, and they help me ... this topic is very relevant for me!
      2. smart ass 31 January 2020 10: 35 New
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        The opportunity to bring your dog on a plane to Europe?
    4. Altona 31 January 2020 10: 28 New
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      I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?

      -------------------------
      The usual attempt at reconciliation with the West, nothing more, to remove obstacles in the gas trade above all. There are no other considerations besides easing the fate of exporters.
    5. Lelek 31 January 2020 11: 37 New
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      I even did not understand the meaning of the return of the Russian Federation in the pass?

      hi
      And indicate at least one of the above writers who understood.
  • Alekseev 31 January 2020 09: 48 New
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    accepted, demanded ... and then what?

    PACE is a discussion platform, in other words, propaganda and counter-propaganda.
    Give them a shit by the forces of our delegation ... and that’s it .. wink
    1. rocket757 31 January 2020 10: 18 New
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      Give them a shit by the forces of our delegation ... and that’s it ..

      Yes, by deeds, by our achievements, we can / should give a shit about everything at once. And nothing else.
      A verbal husk is for .....
    2. sibiryk 31 January 2020 10: 22 New
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      PACE is a discussion platform, in other words, propaganda and counter-propaganda.
      Give them a shit by the forces of our delegation ... and that’s all .. wink
      Well, in order to carry out counter-propaganda, it’s not necessary to go to Europe, give each member a delegation on a laptop, and let them fight European rudeness on the Internet, and it will turn out inexpensively: funds only for paying for traffic and buying laptops.
    3. Lelek 31 January 2020 11: 43 New
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      [quote = alexeyev]... and that’s it ../ Quote]
      hi
      And what is “everything”? Blah blah in their direction and brush off the spit from his uniform? And still pay them money for this, which could build a school or hospital in the Siberian outback?
  • Cyrus 31 January 2020 09: 52 New
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    Of course they will)
  • novel66 31 January 2020 10: 10 New
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    Once again, they demanded that Russia return Crimea.

    so, already returned to their home harbor ...
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      Quote: novel xnumx
      so, already returned to their home harbor ...

      It comes to them badly ...
  • Vend 31 January 2020 10: 11 New
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    PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

    It was necessary not to pay money and there would not be any requirements!
    1. rocket757 31 January 2020 10: 29 New
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      It was necessary not to pay money and there would not be any requirements!

      Paid ... now they will try to fuck us.
      However, nothing will change significantly.
      According to the logic of things, events, yes, “burn it with fire” IHO PACE and everything else, let them “beggar, wither away”, fall apart ... for us, then, it will only be easier.
      They feel stronger ONLY in a pile! They tried to bark at us one by one ... it would be exclusively for us to KICK!
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    NKT 31 January 2020 10: 17 New
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    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

    This is all and limited.
    They received money from us, bought toilet paper and stationery, and breathed a sigh of relief. Now we can continue to write pascivili.
  • ioan-e 31 January 2020 10: 35 New
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    PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

    Shit will be! It is incomprehensible another thing, why pay for being on the site where they don’t want to listen to you, but only teach and smear with shit! And most importantly, who? Hereditary colonialists, inventors of racial segregation and fascism, who imagined themselves moral guidelines! My opinion is there is nothing to do there!
    1. rocket757 31 January 2020 11: 10 New
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      My opinion is there is nothing to do there!

      They didn’t ask us ... and they won’t.
      They have an official paradise .... they will not invite us beyond the threshold.
  • Mountain shooter 31 January 2020 10: 39 New
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    Quote: rocket757

    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will spoil or

    They will spoil constantly, it’s natural ... but only a weak gut will spoil ...
    1. rocket757 31 January 2020 11: 06 New
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      When set off, crap from different angles, but consolidated, harder to fight back.
      Send naf, don’t pay ... they themselves will fall apart, for no reason they won’t even mock. Do not pay or feed all this pack ... they will scatter themselves on their kennels.
  • Thrifty 31 January 2020 10: 43 New
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    What the hell are we back in this filthy sasa? ?? Extra money to pay for throwing poop at us? ?? Russia is obliged to withdraw from the passe, the OSCE, and the Council of Europe, as well as from the WTO and the IMF, as soon as possible!
  • smart ass 31 January 2020 11: 01 New
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    They began to demand for a reason, they waited for the launch of the bridge and began to demand!
  • hydrox 31 January 2020 11: 24 New
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    Will crap or .....

    Of course they will crap!
    Especially after the hyena of Europe pointed to its place, putting its boot in the face, and also because Slovakia was not handed over for the first time that she joined Hitler in his "Drang nah Osten"
  • Vasyan1971 31 January 2020 11: 24 New
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    Will crap or .....

    Risk again without toilet paper and cleaners to stay ...
  • Petr1 31 January 2020 11: 28 New
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    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or.
    And then they will ask to make an advance for ten years ahead so that our delegation does not run away as the last time. And we will give more. We do not mind.
  • Nyrobsky 31 January 2020 11: 41 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....
    So returned! In the composition of Russia since 2014! What the hell do they still need? request laughing
  • Reptiloid 31 January 2020 11: 52 New
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    Greetings, Victor! [quote = rocket757] [quot e] PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting the Donbass [/ quote]
    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or ..... [/ quote]
    PACE ---- an advisory organization, so Russia is not obliged to comply! As seen, demanded, and so what?
    Another thing is that it blows into the ears of other different people, fertilizes the soil against Russia, while others refer to this.
    So the OSCE equated Stalinism with Nazism in July 2009 ....
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      So the OSCE equated Stalinism with Nazism in July 2009 ....

      Just another gang is going to, where almost everything is just the enemies of our country. And you have to pay for it ... strange.
  • Wolverine 31 January 2020 12: 36 New
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    PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

    There was no point in talking in this gadyushnik, it wasn’t a waste of official money and to go into it again, they don’t want to hear us there. Better this money spent on children and young families.
  • Elephant 31 January 2020 14: 47 New
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    .. and then what? Will shit or ....

    This is just the beginning. They will continue to spoil us for our own money (contributions to PACE).
    1. rocket757 31 January 2020 14: 57 New
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      At this point in time, all our indignation is empty.
      I would say that the time will come to express my p-fe and it can affect something ... how about not ah, you can’t see such a time and such an opportunity in the future.
  • LeonidL 1 February 2020 03: 17 New
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    Crap, crap and crap will, definitely. What else can you expect from them? Why sit there and pay money for spitting?
  • demo 1 February 2020 20: 12 New
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    The first question is why did we return there?
    Question two - do we pay money?
    The third question - why goat button accordion!
  • Starover_Z 31 January 2020 09: 07 New
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    PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

    Their song is good, started over?
    1. orionvitt 31 January 2020 09: 15 New
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      PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass

      Let then return the legally elected President Yanukovych. As an option. And we will see how they agree to this. laughing
      1. bessmertniy 31 January 2020 09: 23 New
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        Shaw there Yanukovych! Let them acknowledge that the dissolution of the USSR was illegal and demand that it be restored "as it was." wink
      2. Grandfather Crimea 31 January 2020 09: 30 New
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        Yanukovych-option worked out (it's about like the thing that first gently put on))) then lovingly use)) and then thrown away, the second time not using))))))))), everyone forgot about him, and he paid for his betrayal (lost his son, the family crumbled). Pastes are still needed, we must use them to the last. When domestic laws become higher than international, there will again be a wave of g .... a. it’s politics, it’s sometimes irrational ....
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        Let then return the legally elected President Yanukovych. As an option

        I would suggest that they give an assessment of the events in Yugoslavia, from the beginning to the proclamation of Kosovo as an independent state; how they got into Iraq; about how to seduce and derbanili Libya; Of course, as they themselves helped create a crisis with migrants ... This is for any talk lovers clublet them talk about more serious European problems
  • Hunter 2 31 January 2020 09: 07 New
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    That's Straight. How fresh a thought! belay Buoy (float) to you and not Crimea!
    Why did you return to this zoo called PACE?
    Stop supporting "illegal armed groups" and stop "military intervention" ... in general it is beautifully said that they decided not to burden themselves with evidence! laughing
    1. K-612-O 31 January 2020 09: 11 New
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      So that Pushkin went to Strasbourg and pushed laws on family violence
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        So that Pushkin went to Strasbourg and pushed laws on family violence

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        Ha, the law on domestic violence has long been in force in Europe, for example, in Spain. According to this law, a man is generally a woman’s pet. She can verbally and unsubstantially accuse him of “violence”, and even a harsh remark can be considered “violence”. And after that, a man can be kicked out of his own apartment and not allowed to go there. Given the "mind" and "foresight" of many women, they willingly use it. The law is primarily aimed at destroying the family and reducing fertility. Now men in Europe often do not want to marry or have a long-term relationship.
        1. smart ass 31 January 2020 11: 03 New
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          In fact, things are not better in the Russian Federation, with a divorce, the children remain with their mother, the jointly acquired money is sawn in half even though she did not work, the peasant receives child support
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            In fact, things are not better in the Russian Federation, with a divorce, the children remain with their mother, the jointly acquired money is sawn in half even though she did not work, the peasant receives child support

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            In fact, I wrote how it is. In Russia, you can at least live in your "sawn" living space. In Spain, you can be kicked out and not let you dispose of your own property, that’s the trick because you are recognized as “a person prone to violence”.
    2. Hto tama 31 January 2020 09: 19 New
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      I think in Mother Russia this is not known to anyone request Either the deputies are masahists, or it’s such old Russian fun, and it’s okay for free, but for the money to listen to how your country is blasphemed ... what
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        Quote: hto tama
        Either the deputies are masahists, or it’s such old Russian fun, and it’s okay for free, but for the money to listen to how your country is blasphemed ...

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        For money, you can listen to and endure anything, curse on the collar does not hang. Another thing is that after harsh statements, no harsh actions should be taken. And then why all these attacks in the spirit of mating grouse?
    3. Grandfather Crimea 31 January 2020 09: 40 New
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      Crimea is naturally ours, but you must admit that we are not a party to the direct internal conflict in the Nenki, but we cannot help Donetsk as well. It’s as if everything is clear by default, but the truth is what to hide. Another thing is that they and all the foreigners know everything, but they can’t change and influence. This is from anger. We should get used to it already (the dog barks and the caravan goes))))))))
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        You need to get used to it.

        I don’t feel like getting used to it. It’s better to send along a known route with a certain speed.
  • Egoza 31 January 2020 09: 11 New
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    Well, you paid, now you can be rude. Money is not refundable
    1. Uncle lee 31 January 2020 09: 40 New
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      have paid

      Haha Another penalty should be paid!
    2. Dym71 31 January 2020 09: 41 New
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      Well, you paid, now you can be rude.

      This is understandable, another interesting thing is why PACE (as a lamp of democracy fellow ) not interested in the opinion of residents of the Crimea?
  • orionvitt 31 January 2020 09: 12 New
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    non-observance of human rights, non-compliance with the Minsk agreements and unwillingness to hold accountable those involved in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014.
    It is clear on all issues that are not proven, or absurd.
    1. vvvjak 31 January 2020 09: 27 New
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      It is clear on all issues that are not proven, or absurd.

      So "dashing trouble began." Then, for the victory on fascism, we will also justify violations of the civil rights of the Tatar-Mongols.
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        Then for the victory on fascism we will make excuses

        When this moment comes, you will have to "show" the results of the Second World War. It will not work in any other way. Everything goes to that, what can you do, history is cyclical. It’s sad, but it’s a fact if even now, from the West’s filing, even in Russia you can hear groans about “victory”. Conclusion, the old pill is no longer working, it's time to write out a new one.
  • anjey 31 January 2020 09: 15 New
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    I would like to wish Tolstoy iron nerves in this PAM and stubborn man, can we really come back in vain ??? Russia is not a whipping boy, it itself can blow so hard that the whole world is in ruins laughing .
    1. shark 31 January 2020 09: 23 New
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      No, I think not in vain. If they ate from one of our presence, it pounds - it is not in vain. Russia's membership blows away a raid of elitist Europeanism from the vistas of eastern Europe. And this in itself is not enough. A sort of trolling. But Russia, in fact, doesn’t give a damn about the countries of eastern Europe. It is painful they are beggars and everyone is sitting on subsidies. France, Germany, Italy - these are the real goals of our push to Europe. There is business and investment, and a completely different prestige of mutual relations. And these Romania, Poland or (God forgive me) the Baltic tigers)))) let the mattresses remain. Till. Their fate will still be decided in truly European capitals. Why talk to them ...
    2. bessmertniy 31 January 2020 09: 25 New
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      And it’s never too late to go back. How’s the donkey Eeyore saying: “It’s wonderful in and out!” hi
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        The main thing is that it would not become a habit to wander, back and forth. And then you do not have time to get out, as they again begin to call back. lol
  • tihonmarine 31 January 2020 09: 16 New
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    In addition, Moscow was asked to stop "military intervention" in the conflict in the Donbass and "support for illegal armed groups."
    And what is the name of this Sharashkin office, which does not see the Nazis, fascists and friends of the Fuhrer of Bandera, but blames those who defend their freedom and land, and those who help them. So what do we do in this PACEyushka, why pay money 54 lemons, that would only
    The Russian delegation voted against the adoption of this document. According to the head of the Russian delegation, Pyotr Tolstoy, the Russians did not accept a "boorish approach" in relation to Russia.
    That’s the whole answer, that’s all the unborn or prematurely interrupted actions.
    1. Grandfather Crimea 31 January 2020 09: 47 New
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      We left, came again. During this time, politicians were playing an undercover game (they are ours, we are ours). Leaving again without long having slammed the door. And the money ..... sometimes we fly in too, who’s the little things, who’s the big one, this is life .
    2. solzh 31 January 2020 10: 34 New
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      And how to name this sharashkin office

      Russophobia
      Quote: tihonmarine
      So what do we do in this PACEyushka, why pay money 54 lemons,

      This is what shakes. Pay such bucks and still listen ...
      1. Altona 31 January 2020 11: 00 New
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        This is what shakes. Pay such bucks and still listen ...

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        Sergey, PACE represents the interests of the rich, so they have fun there as they can. Attacks on Russia is already a traditional role-playing game for European countries.
        Second, PACE was created to exchange legislative practice between European countries. And Russia has already adopted a lot of things from European laws.
        Third, by joining Crimea, Russia nevertheless admits that the “Russian” companies do not work in it. And in a good way, it is necessary to attach all the other fragments of the USSR in the form of PMR, DNR-LPR, Abkhazia, South Ossetia. Otherwise, it turns out just pathetic hypocritical chatter. But for this it is necessary to change the economic paradigm, which Russia is clearly not popular.
  • Igor Borisov_2 31 January 2020 09: 18 New
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    What are we doing at this dump? The results of the final Boeing disaster have not yet been published, but should we already attract someone? Nonsense
  • bessmertniy 31 January 2020 09: 20 New
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    By the way, the resolution was adopted with a low quorum, 49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained. At the same time, the assembly includes 321 parliamentarians.


    Is it possible with such a quorum a resolution can be considered adopted if the majority of all parliamentarians have not voted for it !? negative
    1. tihonmarine 31 January 2020 10: 54 New
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      Is it possible with such a quorum a resolution can be considered adopted if the majority of all parliamentarians have not voted for it !?

      Even in our collective farm meeting this was not the case. Or just fool us.
  • ochakow703 31 January 2020 09: 23 New
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    "Once again, they demanded that Russia return Crimea."
    Yeah, and the key to the apartment where the money is ...
  • Romka 31 January 2020 09: 23 New
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    Well, the contribution of Russia has already been paid. This is PACE - "funny troops".
  • CAT BAIYUN 31 January 2020 09: 25 New
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    I still can’t understand - what the hell was going back there at all? If it’s so necessary to keep an eye on the activities of this Shobla loafers, then you can watch from the inside. The salary of a "partisan" (or even a group of "partisans") will be several times less than the amount of contributions that Russia pays to these balabol for voicing their wishes and aspirations.
  • Amateur 31 January 2020 09: 25 New
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    Council of Europe Parliamentary Assembly (PACE) - advisory Council of Europe body.

    Nothing can be demanded of PACE from anyone. It can recommend. And for the word “demand” the Russian Federation needs to “go on vacation” for 1 month and withhold 1/12 of its contribution to the maintenance of this shop. They’ll hold it a couple of times and they will stick tape over all the “demanding people” in the assembly.
    1. leonid-zherebtcov 31 January 2020 09: 32 New
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      I agree. Extremely wise RECOMMENDATION!
      1. tihonmarine 31 January 2020 10: 56 New
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        I agree. Extremely wise RECOMMENDATION!

        They won’t leave, they also have a good monthly salary.
  • Masha 31 January 2020 09: 26 New
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    was to be expected .... we are needed there as "whipping boys", without us their work stops ... what a hectic activity!
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    Well, they couldn’t directly spoil, they did it in the dill style - according to the mouse
  • askort154 31 January 2020 09: 29 New
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    According to the head of the Russian delegation, Pyotr Tolstoy, the Russians did not accept a "boorish approach" in relation to Russia.

    And what were you counting on ?! It was clear how 35 lemons would be squeezed out of us, they would spit in our faces again, and brazenly. Smart people have long been saying that Russia has nothing to do in these Russophobic gatherings. But we are like rams, we stubbornly climb there. fool
    1. tihonmarine 31 January 2020 10: 57 New
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      And what were you counting on ?!

      Soon, if it goes that way, they may spit in the face.
  • leonid-zherebtcov 31 January 2020 09: 30 New
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    The GAYROPEYS in their "rainbow" repertoire ...
  • sergo1914 31 January 2020 09: 34 New
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    No, didn’t they look at the classics?

  • Air force 31 January 2020 09: 38 New
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    I understand everything that PACE is an additional platform for dialogue between Europe and Russia, that Russia is consistently conveying its point of view, and this is useful and another blah blah blah. But where is the dialogue here? Only the accusatory monologue of PACE is heard, this platform has become a platform of Russophobes and that’s all. What are the functions of PACE? How many breakthrough ideas for the benefit of Europe and Russia have been implemented through this platform? Its resolutions are simply “filinka letters” are not binding, even if they were pro-Russian these resolutions, what is the use of them? And most importantly, Russia has been absent from PACE for a long time, has this somehow complicated the life of Russia? No, it complicated the life of PACE itself, so why is this charity and encouraging Russophobia on the part of Russia, a return to an organization that does not affect the life of Russia in any way, but defiles the feelings of people who respect Russia if PACE closes due to the uselessness and absence of Russia , then Russophobic organizations would be one less, and the “Bandera fosterlings” would not go for free to Europe where they are provided with a tribune, in Europe there are not many tribunes of this type where these profane can practice Russophobia, and there would be even less .
  • rosomaha 31 January 2020 09: 40 New
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    and do not show the middle finger to them ... to the very elbow?
  • Aliken 31 January 2020 09: 40 New
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    The set of claims is the same. They hastened to return to PACE, they received those contributions and again began to do their part, but they must leave forever.
  • kiborg 31 January 2020 09: 44 New
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    By the way, the resolution was adopted with a low quorum, 49 deputies voted for it, 17 opposed, three abstained. At the same time, the assembly includes 321 parliamentarians.

    This means that interested persons took part in the voting. Ukronazists, Poles, Baltic tigers and a couple of other countries ready to lick stubs overseas master.
    Well, and, of course, Russia, which is forced to constantly fend off these jackals.
    The rest of this topic has not been interesting for a long time ...
  • Lena Petrova 31 January 2020 09: 46 New
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    Okay, they accepted something, demanded ... and then what? Will crap or .....

    They will demand, once again, the payment of contributions, due to the difficult financial situation.
  • AlexVas44 31 January 2020 09: 46 New
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    Are you a historian, economist, culturologist, lawyer, political scientist, linguist, or who?

    Probably, like me, rather no than yes. But we all have the right to express our opinion. If you do not like it, find another form of presentation.
  • steelmaker 31 January 2020 09: 47 New
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    "Peter Tolstoy, the Russians did not accept the" boorish approach "in relation to Russia."
    And why are you then trying to communicate with this boor? Yes, pay money to be rude! What kind of families and property in Europe are afraid of?
  • Xnumx vis 31 January 2020 09: 53 New
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    Why did you return to this zoo called PACE?

    You must be in the camp of the enemy. Be at the forefront of the attack.
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    1. Sapsan136 31 January 2020 14: 46 New
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      Great written! I, too, think that it’s time for people like you to deprive the citizenship of the Russian Federation for anti-Russian activity and to imprison Treason and actions aimed at undermining the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation! With subsequent deportation to the historical Motherland, with confiscation of property! And in your place to populate refugees who came to the Russian Federation from your fascist countries, who were robbed by your Bandera and Basmachi!
      1. Timurleng 31 January 2020 17: 47 New
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        You see Bandera and Basmachi everywhere,
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          I don’t imagine, one of them is you ...
  • cniza 31 January 2020 10: 00 New
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    Once again, they demanded that Russia return Crimea.

    The list of claims also includes: non-observance of human rights, non-compliance with the Minsk agreements and unwillingness to hold accountable those involved in the crash of the Malaysian Boeing MH17 in eastern Ukraine in 2014.


    Once again I ask myself, what are we doing there?
    1. Prisoner 31 January 2020 10: 25 New
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      I recall the taxi driver from the movie "Brother-2." It turns out that we hang out there beautifully. And we pay a lot of money for the fact that every shellfish throws us shit at us. They left beautifully, why the hell did they have to turn ?!
      1. cniza 31 January 2020 10: 57 New
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        There is grain there that needs to be cultivated and worked, but our deputies need business trips, Europe and other joys.
  • Operator 31 January 2020 10: 06 New
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    Funny in another - one of the members of the delegation of the outskirts voted for the election of Tolstoy as deputy chairman of PACE laughing
  • Moonsund 31 January 2020 10: 19 New
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    Theater of the absurd and Orwellian utopia. People, citizens, comrades! Explain why stubbornly go to a dirty bar with painted whores, if there every night they beat you face, spit in it, and name-calling? The old Freud has a clear description, under such deviations, which I observe in our power
  • Prisoner 31 January 2020 10: 21 New
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    Required ?! laughing Well done. Now sit and wait for the result. Only you are unlikely to like it. They demanded, you understand!
  • georggy 31 January 2020 10: 21 New
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    Once again, they demanded that Russia return Crimea.

    Pay your fees further.
    It is not out of pocket. Masochists are stupid.
  • Lord of the Sith 31 January 2020 10: 25 New
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    PACE demanded that Russia return Crimea and stop supporting Donbass


    I demand that the pass do not suffer from garbage and stop supporting the Nazis in the Banderstad.

    And to return Ukraine half that belongs to Russia.
  • Metallurg_2 31 January 2020 10: 27 New
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    PACE adopted a resolution. We noted that PACE adopted the resolution. And what?
  • My_log_in 31 January 2020 10: 27 New
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    And all this for our money !!! fool Where to find our grandfather Konstantin Makarovich to write a letter to him ...?
  • Rostislav 31 January 2020 10: 29 New
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    Once again, they demanded from Russia ...

    Once again I think - and what did Russia forget in this adder?
    Only in order to ride at public expense abroad? So in the Duma and the Federation Council, almost all millionaires, for them, these costs are not. Well, they can’t be all such stuffies.
    1. Alex Nevs 31 January 2020 10: 44 New
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      Yes, there are children and business at home.
  • Victor March 47 31 January 2020 10: 30 New
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    And what are we doing in this dog lover? Exit, of course, completely and irrevocably. Do not finance even a roll of toilet paper.
  • Guru 31 January 2020 10: 30 New
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    We returned to PACE on our own head.
  • faterdom 31 January 2020 10: 32 New
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    Damn it! What to do now? This is check and checkmate!
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  • megadeth 31 January 2020 10: 35 New
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    What guided the Russian government, the return to PACE, the common people can not understand ... some kind of masochism. Only the uninterrupted vaporization of EU oil and gas comes to mind.
  • Jarserge 31 January 2020 10: 37 New
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    Interestingly, the Russian delegation turns out to be accomplices in the adoption of this resolution and partially this whole circus is paid from the pocket of Russian taxpayers? After all, it is clear that all the structures of the European Union are the US occupation administration and Russia participating in this circus spits on itself
  • Alex Nevs 31 January 2020 10: 43 New
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    Let them return the Integrity of Yugoslavia to Iraq Libya .... Penguins of Antarctica, then we'll see.
  • aries2200 31 January 2020 10: 44 New
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    and why in this pass did we get stuck !!!!? we have another reason to bite for 50 million euros paid .. + free business trips to Europe for servants of the people
  • Strashila 31 January 2020 10: 53 New
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    "How many times have the world been told (Grandfather Krylov), "to you,"from a dead donkey ears... (Putin), "did not hear, then you"stupid people... (Lavrov) ", dear moderator, do not distort the statements of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia ..
  • Wolf 31 January 2020 10: 56 New
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    So that you know with whom we do business?
    Congresne Dvorana in the Vatican and PACE! smile






    1. Wolf 31 January 2020 11: 06 New
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      Symbol Cobre, they were called both Napoleon and Hitler, they all come from 1 kitchen wink e!
  • Azazelo 31 January 2020 11: 04 New
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    The campaign must be sent to all these idiots to the devil ... and don’t give the dough anymore, and a bunch of lackeys will die
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    Damn like suckers. We have already transferred the money repeat
  • Yaro Polk 31 January 2020 11: 07 New
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    For your own money listen to their shit)
    It would be better to discuss how the United States wants the floor of Palestine and the Golan Heights to pass to Israel without any referenda)
  • fif21 31 January 2020 11: 09 New
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    England withdrew from the European Union. She was only interested in a trade agreement, and Brussels began to impose its own political line. Russia peeps and creeps into the EU under the pretext of “lifting the“ confrontation. ”We are in a hurry, as always, with our peace initiatives. hi