The Kuril Question. Will Japan and Russia find a solution?

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Between Moscow and Tokyo, another diplomatic conflict arose. And he has the same reason that has overshadowed the relations of the two countries for many decades - the Kuril Islands.

A few days ago, the adviser-envoy of the Land of the Rising Sun was called to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation. This was done for suggestion about the next demarche of the official Japanese authorities, who did not want to part with claims to Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and Habomai. Will there ever be an end to this stories, in fact, which does not give a full conclusion to the war, the 75th anniversary of the victory in which we will celebrate this year?



The reason for an unpleasant conversation for both sides with the Japanese diplomatic representative was an exhibition with the seemingly innocent title “Territory and Sovereignty”, which opened in Tokyo with the explicit and direct assistance of the country's authorities. Everything would be fine, but, in the opinion of the Russian Foreign Ministry, a considerable part of the exposition there consists of materials whose purpose is “an attempt to substantiate Japan’s claims to the South Kuril Islands”. Such things are rightly considered by the domestic Foreign Ministry to be contrary to the agreement reached by the leaders of the two states on "creating a positive atmosphere" in relations between the countries.

No information has yet been received about the official Tokyo’s reaction to this “severe reprimand”. In any case, one does not have to hope that they will be imbued with the incorrectness of their own actions and henceforth will not allow themselves to do something like that.

The “Kuril issue” is a sore subject for many generations of Japanese politicians, and any of them who today even try to hint at the possibility of ending the “irreconcilable struggle for the return of the Northern Territories” will thereby make a political “hara-kiri” and put an end to their own careers . However, judging by the intensity of passions that reigned in the domestic media about the “surrender of the Kuril Islands” that has been tried by some, the reaction of Russian society to any attempts by Moscow to soften its position on this issue will also be extremely negative.

It is hardly worthwhile within the framework of this material to try to recall the entire long history of the complex difficulties that have accompanied the attempts of the two countries to find at least some mutually acceptable compromise in the dispute around the Kuril ridge. No place is enough, and why repeat well-known things. During the negotiations going on since 1956, there were several points when the question would seem to be close to resolution. That Khrushchev was ready to give the Japanese Habomai and Shikotan, but the Americans got in, then the representatives of Tokyo tried to lure all four islands from Gorbachev in exchange for vague promises of economic assistance, but, surprisingly, they didn’t succeed ... By the way, then the current father participated in the negotiations Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe - Shintaro Abe.

After this, one should not be surprised that the head of the Japanese government took the oath "to put an end to the peace talks with Russia" precisely on his father’s grave. We must give him his due: in the course of a series of meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin, where the very same “Kuril issue” was at the forefront, Abe showed outstanding negotiating abilities. In accordance with this, a certain softening of Tokyo’s position on this issue took place: the islands there were no longer called “occupied” but “occupied without legal justification,” and after 2016, marked by another personal meeting of the leaders of the two countries, Japan and Russia began to lead joint business activities in the Kuril Islands. However, all this cannot replace a full-fledged resolution of the conflict, the chances of which are still not great today.

Vladimir Putin has repeatedly made the proposal that countries first conclude a full-fledged peace treaty, and already within its framework led a further discussion on the islands. It’s a wonderful option, only in Tokyo it seems that they are well aware that there will most likely simply be no discussion “later”. In no case should our country give up its positions on the “Kuril issue”! It is not only a matter of the richest fisheries, the deposits of unique mineral resources available on the islands and their exclusive economic zone that "overlaps" almost the entire Sea of ​​Okhotsk. The refusal of the Kuril Islands will block the Pacific Fleet of Russia at its current bases, will deprive it of the opportunities for operational deployment, and it will certainly endow it with a completely undesirable neighborhood in the form of US military bases. Moreover, having given slack to Tokyo, one should expect territorial claims from China as well. The comrades there at one time were swaying at such our spaces, in comparison with which the Kuril Islands are just grains of sand in the sea. Then just set a precedent ...

Most likely, the dispute over the Kuril Islands is destined to become one of the eternal problems, which, no matter how they spoil the lives of both countries, is easier to circumvent and hush up than to try to solve once and for all.
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  1. +8
    31 January 2020 06: 25
    It is necessary at the state level and public social networks to widely promote the theme - Hokkaido is ours! Recall the concessions of Joseph Vissarionovich in this matter to the Americans, etc. To find historical documents, how our Dersu Uzola discovered this island and use it all for six months from each iron! Start building a bridge towards Hokkaido ... Then the Japanese will forget about the Kuril Islands for a long time and sign a peace treaty on any termslaughing
    1. +30
      31 January 2020 06: 33
      Solution found 75 years ago! The Kuril Islands belong to Russia. WWII put a point in this matter! And you need to stop discussing this.
      The Peace Treaty - let the Japanese work together, live without it - we will continue to live!
      1. +11
        31 January 2020 07: 27
        Hello, hello! hi the problem is that Japan, as it was occupied, remains the same whether to speak with vassals
        1. +6
          31 January 2020 07: 37
          Roma hi I suggested sending them to their beloved Mother Japon ... feel
          1. +4
            31 January 2020 07: 39
            it’s a shame inside them ...
            1. +7
              31 January 2020 07: 42
              The main thing is that the outside does not hurt! 38 years robbed Our Sakhalin, have not yet answered for him ... angry
              1. +7
                31 January 2020 07: 42
                Yes, and continue to poach, grebes are yellow
                1. +3
                  31 January 2020 07: 47
                  In fairness, not only the Japanese ... there are enough poachers, yellow grebes laughing
                  1. +4
                    31 January 2020 07: 47
                    to drown. pancake!!! parasites !!
                    1. +6
                      31 January 2020 07: 50
                      Well, do not drown the sink, And delay and punish (with confiscation) Yes
                      1. +4
                        31 January 2020 07: 55
                        and whipping !! whipping necessarily
                      2. -4
                        31 January 2020 08: 13
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        and whipping !! whipping necessarily

                        not leather lingerie hope? belay
                      3. +3
                        31 January 2020 08: 21
                        actually japas are terrible perverts. anything could be
                      4. -5
                        31 January 2020 08: 29
                        Quote: novel xnumx
                        actually japas are terrible perverts. anything could be

                        well!
                      5. +3
                        31 January 2020 10: 03
                        I agree with this, and after the trial they send mines to Sakhalin to develop, they are so eager to go there))
                        But seriously, until the TF is able to melt them successfully (without nuclear weapons) this nagging will not stop.
                      6. +2
                        31 January 2020 10: 09
                        They wanted to work all the way to the Urals! That we have few zones in order to limit ourselves only to Sakhalin !? lol
                  2. +4
                    31 January 2020 10: 57
                    no, you shouldn't think so badly about our "border guards" border at the CASTLE!
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                1. +7
                  31 January 2020 10: 32
                  Quote: Andrzej K
                  Since Russia lost Sakhalin as a result of the shameful and serious loss of the 1904-1905 war, you call the period before 1945: "
                  They robbed Our Sakhalin for 38 years, they haven't answered for it yet ... "
                  -

                  I will also answer with your words "The solution was found 105 years ago! Sakhalin belongs to Japan. The war of 1904-1905 put the point in this issue"

                  When it comes to the Kuril Islands, it is suddenly: "
                  The solution was found 75 years ago! The Kurils belong to Russia. The WWII put an end to this question! "


                  Based on your thoughts from the first quote, this is the USSR / Russia for 75 years rob the Kuril Islands.

                  From the point of view of international law, the Kuril Islands do not belong to Russia at all. Until there is a peace treaty, Russia keeps them from a position of strength, not law.

                  And there would be no doubt - I do not think that the Kuril Islands should return to Japan.
                  She lost the war and bears consequences. However, this must be regulated by law.

                  Good morning, Pan Andrzej!
                  The peace treaty after the surrender of Japan (that is, ending the war on the conditions of the winners) of September 2, 1945, the goal does not mean anything - formality, a simple piece of paper. Accordingly, the Kuril Islands are Russian de jure and de facto. The Japanese do not like it, but - what to do? )))
                  1. -5
                    31 January 2020 10: 44
                    Good morning Dear Krasnodar

                    Kuriles are Russian "only" de facto.
                    There is simply no formality, just a piece of paper to say that possession of the Kuril as de jure But at the moment this "paper" is not, and the question remains legally unresolved.

                    Obviously, Japan does not like it. Indeed, even my words show only the actual and formal state (without evaluation) is not like. A is the facts.
                    1. +8
                      31 January 2020 11: 23
                      In my opinion, if the territory of the officially capitulated country is officially annexed to the territory of the country of the winner, then there should not be any legal problems - de Jure is the land of the country of the winner. The disagreement of the capitulating country after signing the surrender is null and void.
                      1. +2
                        31 January 2020 12: 11
                        De facto no questions
                        But with de Jure - in the surrender of Japan, the implementation of the Potsdam Declaration is recorded, but not a word about the Kuril Islands
                      2. +2
                        31 January 2020 15: 00
                        Quote: Avior
                        De facto no questions
                        But with de Jure - in the surrender of Japan, the implementation of the Potsdam Declaration is recorded, but not a word about the Kuril Islands

                        Moreover - it means everything goes without saying))
                    2. +4
                      31 January 2020 13: 08
                      Quote: Andrzej K
                      Good morning Dear Krasnodar

                      Kuriles are Russian "only" de facto.
                      There is simply no formality, just a piece of paper to say that possession of the Kuril as de jure But at the moment this "paper" is not, and the question remains legally unresolved.

                      Obviously, Japan does not like it. Indeed, even my words show only the actual and formal state (without evaluation) is not like. A is the facts.

                      So, let's go without emotion - there is the San Francisco Treaty! 1951 year. According to which Japan renounces ALL rights to South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands! So you don’t have to do throwbacks!
                      1. -3
                        31 January 2020 13: 53
                        Really. You're right i was wrong

                        In Article 2c of the 1951 Treaty:
                        c) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Kurile Islands, and to that portion of Sakhalin and the adjacent islands to it over which Japan acquired sovereignty as a consequence of the Treaty of Portsmouth of September 5, 1905.


                        "c) Japan renounces all rights, property rights and claims to the Kuril Islands and that part of Sakhalin and the adjacent islands over which Japan acquired sovereignty as a result of the Treaty of Portsmouth of September 5, 1905."



                        In this situation, my notes on this topic did not correspond to reality !!!! - Japan has no rights to these territories, and Russia simply seized and conquered them., And after 1951 they are not legally owned by Japan

                        A small nuance is only the fact that these islands were included in the USSR almost 5 years before the San Francisco Treaty, but this is a trifle.


                        Yes or no - I was wrong
                      2. +4
                        2 February 2020 03: 12
                        These are already legal nuances - although the very fact of unconditional surrender levels all subsequent territorial ones to obscure the losing side.
                      3. +3
                        31 January 2020 15: 02
                        Quote: Hunter 2
                        there is the San Francisco Treaty! 1951 year.

                        Which USSR did not sign.At the conference, Gromyko tried to obtain official recognition of the USSR sovereignty over the southern Kuril Islands from the USA and Great Britain as part of the Habomai ridge, the Shikotan, Kunashir and Iturup islands, which were part of the territory of Japan before the Second World War. Gromyko insisted on the relevant amendments to the draft treaty, but they were rejected by the delegations of the United States and Great Britain and were not included in the final text of the treaty. For this and a number of other reasons, the Soviet delegation refused to sign the agreement, as a result of which the final ownership of South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands was not determined by the San Francisco agreement. The document stated that The San Francisco Peace Treaty does not confer any rights arising from the treaty to countries that have not signed it.
                      4. -3
                        31 January 2020 15: 28
                        Maybe on the part of the USSR, but Japan renounced its rights to these islands.
                      5. +4
                        31 January 2020 15: 38
                        Quote: Andrzej K
                        Japan renounced its rights

                        Japan renounced the rights to the territory over which it acquired sovereignty under the Portsmouth Treaty of September 5, 1905.
                        San Francisco Peace Treaty (1951). Chapter II Territory.

                        c) Japan waives all rights, rights and claims to the Kuril Islands and to that part of Sakhalin Island and its adjacent islands, over which Japan acquired sovereignty under the Portsmouth Treaty of September 5 1905

                        Moreover, according to the official position of Japan, Iturup, Shikotan, Kunashir and Habomai were not part of the Kuril Islands (Tishima Islands), and Japan did not refuse them. Representatives of the USSR proposed amending the treaty to recognize the sovereignty of the USSR over South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, but this and a number of proposals were not taken into account, therefore the USSR, Poland and Czechoslovakia did not sign the agreement. On October 19, 1956, the USSR and Japan adopted the Moscow declaration, which terminated the state of war and restored diplomatic relations between the two countries, and also recorded the consent of the USSR to transfer the islands of Habomai and Shikotan to Japan, but only after the conclusion of a peace treaty. Everything is complicated there from a legal point of view.
                  2. +3
                    2 February 2020 01: 49
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Pan Andrzej

                    Pshek or something ??? belay laughing
                2. -3
                  31 January 2020 11: 50
                  Quote: Andrzej K
                  Since Russia lost Sakhalin as a result of the shameful and serious loss of the war of 1904-1905,

                  Not Russia lost, and did not lose the war, but the government of the Empire with the huge help of the United States and partners.
                  1. -3
                    31 January 2020 12: 02
                    So why don't you write that the war was lost by the government of Japan, and not by Japan (and mainly with the help of the USA), and not the USSR?

                    Russia lost the war of 1904-1905 with a bang - with a bang of Mukden, Port Arthur and Tsushima. the army and navy lost the war, the government of the Empire lost peace in Portsmouth.
                    1. -3
                      31 January 2020 13: 29
                      Quote: Andrzej K
                      the government of the Empire lost peace in Portsmouth.

                      WHERE IS THIS PORTSMOUT IN WHICH COUNTRY?
                      1. +1
                        31 January 2020 13: 44
                        A Cairo, Tehran, Potsdam in which country is located?

                        What does it matter?
                      2. -3
                        31 January 2020 15: 38
                        Quote: Andrzej K
                        What does it matter?

                        Therefore, do not ask unnecessary conversations and statements about the peace treaty without knowing thoroughly the question and answer, and do not blame anyone for nothing.
                    2. +8
                      31 January 2020 15: 01
                      In 1939, the TB-3 ranged over Tokyo at night ... This was the order that set the brains of the samurai ... So Japan lost the war of 1941-45 and its main forces (the Kwantung Army) were defeated by the USSR.
                3. +4
                  31 January 2020 13: 43
                  From the point of view of international law, the Kuril Islands do not belong to Russia at all. Until there is a peace treaty, Russia keeps them from a position of strength, not law.

                  From this point of view, almost half of Poland does not belong to it at all, because were torn away from Germany by the results of 2MB.
                  But the Poles not only do not return these illegally held lands, but also require additional reparations from Germany. But this is not enough! Some Poles climb to our VO site with their moralizing.
                  Get your pansy hands off from our Kuril Islands and from our VO! good
                  1. +4
                    2 February 2020 01: 56
                    Quote: Amateur
                    But this is not enough! Some Poles climb to our VO site with their moralizing.

                    he also seemed to you an extremely disgusting person ??? wassat wassat
                4. +3
                  2 February 2020 01: 47
                  Quote: Andrzej K
                  Since Russia lost Sakhalin as a result of the shameful and serious loss of the 1904-1905 war, you call the period before 1945: "
                  They robbed Our Sakhalin for 38 years, they haven't answered for it yet ... "
                  -

                  I will also answer with your words "The solution was found 105 years ago! Sakhalin belongs to Japan. The war of 1904-1905 put the point in this issue"

                  When it comes to the Kuril Islands, it is suddenly: "
                  The solution was found 75 years ago! The Kurils belong to Russia. The WWII put an end to this question! "


                  Based on your thoughts from the first quote, this is the USSR / Russia for 75 years rob the Kuril Islands.

                  From the point of view of international law, the Kuril Islands do not belong to Russia at all. Until there is a peace treaty, Russia keeps them from a position of strength, not law.

                  And there would be no doubt - I do not think that the Kuril Islands should return to Japan.
                  She lost the war and bears consequences. However, this must be regulated by law.

                  what a mess in your head !!! belay I don’t even want to understand !!! wassat there is only one question ... who are you for ??? wink
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      2. -1
        31 January 2020 07: 54
        The Yankees refused to give a guarantee that there would be no base on the Kuril Islands.
        Japan wants to transform the self-defense forces into a FULL-MILITARY armed forces at the legislative level.
        And the MAIN THING, claims, in PM and in Europe, will instantly fall down-Taiwan Tuvu considers its "great" Estonians, Finns and others, different
        1. -7
          31 January 2020 11: 52
          Surprisingly, there is a great analogy between what you write and the Kuril Islands.

          At the legislative level, Japan does not have armed forces, but in fact, their "self-defense forces" are FULL-VALUE armed forces - only 1% of their GDP is enough to create a strong army and navy under this euphemistic name.

          At the legislative level, Russia does not have a Kuril, but in fact, yes. And this nito will not change.
        2. -2
          31 January 2020 13: 32
          Quote: knn54
          claims, in PM and in Europe, will instantly fall in

          So just give them a small concession, and grab your hand. All this pack is waiting for this.
      3. -4
        31 January 2020 09: 03
        Quote: Hunter 2
        The Peace Treaty - let the Japanese work together, live without it - we will continue to live!

        Sign or not sign this agreement, all the same for "Western democracy" we are the ones who unleashed the war and the occupiers. The whole meaning of this agreement is lost here.
      4. -4
        31 January 2020 15: 03
        It doesn’t seem so to Mr. Lavrov — last summer, at some meeting with students (there are in YouTube), he openly declared that the islands would be given away, the only question was when and with what kind of sauce ... It’s clear that this was not a gag (the minister’s competence only tactical tasks), but the solution of those who really rules Russia is announced. So it turns out that in order to return to the decision of 75 years ago, it is necessary to make the government nationally oriented as it was then. And without this, the islands will be merged with quiet glanders, as was already the case with our natural resources, energy, processing industry and many, many others.
      5. +3
        31 January 2020 18: 29
        At the Potsdam Conference July 17 - August 2, 1945, the USA and Great Britain guaranteed the USSR the return of South Sakhalin and all Kuril Islands.
        Stalin proposed in August 1945 to Truman that the northern part of Hokkaido should also be included in the zone of Soviet responsibility. Thus, the USSR claimed to occupy about half of the island.
        Truman categorically rejected the possibility of a Soviet landing in Japan. Stalin decided not to strain relations with the "allies" at that time.
        Therefore, the occupation of Hokkaido of the USSR did not occur, although there could be an occupation and wherever Japan was now it is not known.
      6. +2
        1 February 2020 13: 22
        That's right. In quote:
        Will Japan and Russia find a solution?


        the word "Russia" is superfluous. Japan needs it, so let it "seek".
    2. -1
      31 January 2020 06: 33
      The Kuril Question. Will Japan and Russia find a solution?
      with current managers I’m afraid to even think about this topic.
    3. +6
      31 January 2020 06: 38

      Good answer on the Kuril Islands!
      1. -6
        31 January 2020 06: 47
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        Good answer on the Kuril Islands!

        if not, the death of the Pacific Fleet and it went ...
      2. +2
        31 January 2020 07: 31
        Volodya hi But what about the topic of the Kuril Islands and without Prutkov-san ??? breaking ...
        1. +2
          31 January 2020 07: 36
          Missile systems "Bal" and "Bastion" in the Kuril Islands contribute to an increase in the incidence of hara-kiri among the soldiers of the Japanese army.
          Kozma Prutkov-San, surgeon - personal observations ...
          1. +2
            31 January 2020 07: 38
            tears on eyes
            smack of wasabi
            again about the Kuril Islands
            1. +7
              31 January 2020 09: 10
              Quote: novel xnumx
              again about the Kuril Islands

              how is it "new" !!! lol
              1. +4
                31 January 2020 10: 04
                very fresh !!!
            2. 0
              31 January 2020 11: 53
              Quote: novel xnumx
              smack of wasabi
              again about the Kuril Islands

              Kuril Islands of Russia, wasabi to the Japanese.
          2. +2
            2 February 2020 02: 05
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            an increase in hara-kiri among warriors in the Japanese army.

            Harakiri seemed to be made by people who had honor, conscience, dignity ... it's not ABOUT present-day Japan and its inhabitants !!! request lol
    4. +1
      31 January 2020 08: 32
      Why only Hokkaido?
      ... Ainu possessed unusually thick hair covering their heads, wore huge beards and a mustache (holding food with special sticks during meals), the australoid features of their face in some ways were similar to European ones. Despite living in a temperate climate, in the summer, Ainu wore only loincloths (100% Siberians, I do the same drinks ), like the inhabitants of equatorial countries.
      On the Japanese islands, the Ainu appeared about 13 thousand years BC. e. [14] and created the Neolithic culture of Jomon [15]. It is not known for certain where the Ainu came to the Japanese islands, but it is known that in the Jomon era, the Ainu inhabited all the Japanese islands - from Ryukyu to Hokkaido, as well as the southern half of Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands and the southern third of Kamchatka - as evidenced by archaeological excavations and data place names, for example: Tsushima - tuyuma - “distant”, Fuji - hutsi - “grandmother” - kamui hearth [16], Tsukuba - tu ku pa - “head of two bows” / “two-armed mountain”, Yamatai - I’m ma and "A place where the sea cuts through the land" [17]. Also, a lot of information about toponyms of Ainu origin for Honshu can be found in the works of Kindaichi Kyosuke [18].
      When the state of Yamato develops, an era of constant war begins between the state of Yamato and the Ainu. A study of Japanese DNA showed that the dominant Y-chromosome haplogroup in the Japanese is the O2b1 subgroup [25], that is, that Y-chromosome haplogroup that is found in 80% of Japanese people but is almost absent in Ainu [source not specified 1944 days] with a frequency of about 15%, haplogroup C3 occurs.
      Give Ainak People’s Republic! Down with the Japanese invaders!
      1. +2
        31 January 2020 08: 44
        Typical Old Believers
    5. +7
      31 January 2020 08: 45
      Quote: Finches
      Hokkaido is ours!

      This should not even be discussed - the Russian flag was hoisted there much earlier than the Japanese, which implies that Hokkaido is a Russian island occupied by the Japanese.
      Quote: Finches
      Find historical documents how our Dersu Uzola discovered this island

      It was a Cossack by the name of Shabalin. His descendants live in the Urals and in early childhood I knew and made friends with some of them.
      Quote: Finches
      Start building a bridge towards Hokkaido ... Then the Japanese will forget about the Kuril Islands for a long time and sign a peace treaty on any terms

      No, we will build a bridge on Sakhalin, and let the Japanese build from Hokkaido to Sakhalin. And as they build, they immediately enter into Russia (you can first into the Eurasian Union) as the Japanese Federal District. With wide autonomy and local government. wink Here the claims are over and the Japanese are happy - our skaters will come to them more often. Yes And there will be plenty of carbon fiber with resins and precursors for domestic aviation ... And our sumo wrestlers will come to visit them - but as for your own, you can’t practically come to your native Japanese, do not mess with local boys. .. And the Japanese have fun ... lol love and immediately begin to improve their Japanese breed.
      ... And the Cossacks in honor of the memory of Shabalin will establish the All-Great Kuril and Hokkaid Army ... and all the samurai will be recorded in it. fellow And why not write it down, if your boys are now ... they’ll give them drafts - it’s more fun to wave with checkers than a clumsy katana ... They will drink sake from a circular bowl and sing it ..

      ShinzO flocked on the mountain
      He prayed to his father
      Habomai with Shikotan
      To return

      Oops you oops
      Do not be afraid of anything
      I will not leave you
      Don't you worry

      Hokkaido gathered
      We are on the Cossack circle
      Amer in the face
      ... (a useful garden plant) pig.

      Oops you oops
      Do not be afraid of him
      I will not leave you
      Don’t worry ...

      And the treasury will immediately become replenished ... fellow
      And the Japanese fleet under the Andreev flag! Yes
      And Xi Jin Ping to become enviable. bully
    6. 0
      31 January 2020 10: 03
      Oh, come on, you sway because of these tiny islands. We need to offer an equivalent exchange: we give them Shikotan, Iturup, Habomai, they give us Honshu, Hokkaido, Kyushu and Shikoku. It seems to me that jumps will immediately agree. Yes, I forgot about Okinawa. Tu just bombed together. To consolidate eternal friendship.
      1. 0
        31 January 2020 10: 12
        I support. Four islands to four - that's fair! wassat
    7. kin
      -5
      31 January 2020 10: 31
      Russian Kuril Islands? Moscow is already Asian. In Moscow, Asians are beaten Russian in public places at public events.
      And responsible comrades bleat about punishment.
      [media = http: // https: //youtu.be/f6EsWqFCV_o]
    8. -2
      31 January 2020 15: 15
      You will not believe, but ordinary Japanese do not care about the islands. But they are promoting this topic, exclusively politicians (to Japanese politicians to transfer territories to the states. Our activists have to fuck on pseudo-patriotism, but everyone understands that islands can be kept and squeezed out only by global wreck and war in Russia
      1. +3
        2 February 2020 02: 10
        Quote: evgen1221
        but ordinary Japanese do not care about the islands. And they are promoting this topic, exclusively politicians.

        and "ordinary yapontsy" where will they go if they again plunge into the war through the fault of their politicians ??? fool am maybe enough tales about innocent peoples ??? angry am am
    9. 0
      1 February 2020 00: 43
      Quote: Finches
      It is necessary at the state level and public social networks to widely promote the theme - Hokkaido is ours!

      And there was an agreement with the prince of the island of Tsushima in the 18th century! And there was our base. Until the middle of the 19th, until the British were outraged!

      It is necessary to raise the question, if not even the entire island of Tsushima then let at least return the base! laughing
  2. +1
    31 January 2020 06: 35
    "Most likely, the dispute over the Kuril Islands is destined to become one of the eternal problems that, no matter how they spoil the life of both countries, it is easier to bypass and suppress than to try to solve once and for all.", The southern island of the Kuril ridge, Hokkaido, should be required to be part of Russia ... laughing
  3. +7
    31 January 2020 06: 39
    The very fact of any negotiations on the Kuril Islands casts doubt on the territorial integrity of the country. The Kuril Islands is not a topic for discourse with Japan. Or does the Kremlin have a different opinion? If Japan does not recognize Russia. The point is to recognize Japan.
    1. -4
      31 January 2020 06: 48
      Quote: apro
      If Japan does not recognize Russia. The point is to recognize Japan.

      here! it's five ! drinks
  4. +4
    31 January 2020 06: 40
    Vladimir Putin has repeatedly made the proposal that countries first conclude a full-fledged peace treaty
    I liked Platoshkin’s speech on this subject.
    1. +3
      31 January 2020 06: 49
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      I liked the performance of Platoshkin

      I'm afraid for Platoshkin, he says a lot of truth.
    2. +4
      31 January 2020 06: 55
      And so everything is clear and understandable ... What Lavrov is talking about with them then!
      1. 0
        31 January 2020 07: 34
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And so everything is clear and understandable ... What Lavrov is talking about with them then!

        Whose interests does Lavrov lobby, and whose interests does Platoshkin defend?
        Excuse me, I don’t care who will think about me and how, but I got the impression that there (in the State Duma, in the government of the Russian Federation, or in another Kremlin office) are highly paid, but ineffective, statistician managers and, analyzing the ratings of the authorities , moods in society offer an agenda for every day:
        Monday - SP-2: problems of construction and prospects.
        Tuesday - The war in Syria: successes and failures.
        Wednesday - Ukraine: Zelensky again sneezed toward Russia.
        Thursday - Belarus: again Lukashenko confuses the coast.
        Friday - Japan: The Kuril issue is again on the agenda of Japanese samurai.
        Saturday - China: our neighbor is a business partner or a casual companion.
        Sunday - Baltic States, Poland, Turkey, USA, Israel: they are afraid of threats from the east; require reparations; warns; warns and introduces new sanctions; does not comment, meets, asks to be released ...
        God forbid, the Russian people will come to the mirror ...
        What do you expect from people who have set themselves the goal of destroying the country's economy and the titular nation by deindustrialization, degradation, profanity, direct genocide in the form of violent curtailment of people's capabilities, increased exploitation by slave labor (for food) until death.
        Everything related to justice will be forgotten, as well as the rules and norms of diplomacy, which are rightly reminded and said by Platoshkin N.N.
        hi
      2. +1
        31 January 2020 10: 22
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        .What then did Lavrov talk with them!

        Because Lavrov is a diplomat, and Platoshkin is a populist playing in public! And that is typical, only the Communists are constantly peddling this topic .... question .... for what ???
        1. +5
          31 January 2020 10: 42
          Quote: Serg65
          And that is typical, only the Communists are constantly peddling this topic .... question .... for what ???

          Not only do they pedal Sergei! And why, it’s a rhetorical question that everyone understands! They want power and money again! hi
          1. +4
            31 January 2020 11: 01
            Quote: Edik
            want power and money!

            Those. to the bottom and then .... ???
            hi
            1. +7
              31 January 2020 11: 03
              Quote: Serg65
              Those. to the bottom and then .... ???

              Well, you know! The scheme has been worked out and polished! Take it away from the "people", divide it among themselves, and then sell it again!
        2. -4
          31 January 2020 14: 31
          Quote: Serg65
          Because Lavrov is a diplomat, and Platoshkin is a populist playing in public!

          Serge - but what, Platoshkin said something wrong? In my opinion, everything is right, point by point, and with reasonable arguments. Or do you disagree with some of his points? So explain what is wrong.
          1. +6
            31 January 2020 14: 41
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            But what, Platoshkin said something wrong?

            A game, I advise you to watch Lavrov more often, he has already sent the Japanese several times .... but politely and diplomatically!
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            explain what's wrong

            I already kind of explained, this is work for the public and most of all for the victims of the exam! By the way, you, like the Communists, the one who invented the Unified State Exam, need to erect a monument! By the way your mantras act only on them!
            1. -4
              31 January 2020 15: 02
              Quote: Serg65
              he has repeatedly sent the Japanese ..

              When they send, then with stupid questions then they do not climb. And the Japs all scribble notes, and ours all bleat in response.
              Quote: Serg65
              to you as communists

              Firstly, I am a monarchist, and the Communists know this.
              Secondly, about the Unified State Exam and education, this is for the zaputins. They think this is bad. Two factories were opened and five were closed. In fact, minus 2, but Zaputins have +3! They lisp with the Japs, calling it "messages to a certain direction." laughing
              In essence, what is Platoshkin wrong?
              1. +5
                31 January 2020 15: 09
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                In essence, what is Platoshkin wrong?

                Hmm ... laughing Igor, I'm already powerless here! The point is not whether it is right or wrong, but how it is served!
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                I am a monarchist

                what How long have you had this?
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                They consider it bad. 2 plants opened, and five closed

                Which opened and which closed is not important, is it?
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                They lisp with the Japs, calling it "sending to a certain direction"

                There are diplomatic rules for communication, or do you think that if they do not communicate in patsansky, then they are ..... cowardly?
                And yes ... Platoshkin said the same thing as Lavrov and Putin, so what is the merit of Platoshkin?
    3. +1
      31 January 2020 07: 23
      I liked Platoshkin’s speech on this subject.

      Something Dzhabarov is quite sour sitting there, as if vinegar had a sip.
    4. -5
      31 January 2020 09: 18
      For Japan, these islands, as for Russia - Crimea. Only a solution will not be here and both sides understand this. Well, Platoshkin is certainly a patriot and speaks beautifully, but not consistently (at first he speaks of the invalidity of the 1956 Declaration, and then again refers to it). The situation is really confusing. Someone must give in. If he wants to.
  5. +12
    31 January 2020 06: 42
    Most likely, the dispute over the Kuril Islands is destined to become one of the eternal problems, which, no matter how they spoil the lives of both countries, is easier to circumvent and hush up than to try to solve once and for all.
    We have NO nor any problems with the islands, Our islands, that's all. I do not understand why the authorities are following the Japanese with these disputes and discussions.
    1. -2
      31 January 2020 06: 53
      I have two options: 1 - just to talk; 2 - to merge with minimal indignation of the masses, but this, after the pension reform, will merge into the graves, a huge, patriotic part of the population. "cigarette butts"
      the same will not care, "cho to whom where give."
  6. +1
    31 January 2020 06: 43
    not giving a full conclusion to the war, the 75th anniversary of the victory in which we will celebrate this year?
    Oh nafig ?! The war is over in full - the signing of the Act of Unconditional Surrender aboard the battleship Missouri. All the rest of the fuss is just the result of the absence of eggs from the leaderships of the countries (both under Khrushchev and now).
  7. 3vs
    +4
    31 January 2020 06: 46
    Add an amendment to the Constitution of Russia that the Kuril Islands are an integral part of Russia!
    Since amendments are being collected in our country for inclusion in the current Constitution.
    1. -4
      31 January 2020 07: 03
      Quote: 3vs
      Add an amendment to the Constitution of Russia that the Kuril Islands are an integral part of Russia!
      Since amendments are being collected in our country for inclusion in the current Constitution.

      is it possible? belay
    2. -1
      31 January 2020 07: 43
      Quote: 3vs
      Since amendments are being collected in our country for inclusion in the current Constitution.

      You can make an amendment regarding the “erroneous” and “outlawed” of the given territory of 80 km² in the Bering Sea region, which in an incomprehensible way went to the USA with the easy submission of the HMS and the ShEA and other figures ...
      - part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​23,7 thousand km², actually transferred by the Soviet Union to the United States in 1977;
      - part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​7,7 thousand km²;
      - a continental shelf area of ​​46,3 thousand km² in the open central part of the Bering Sea, located beyond 200 nautical miles from the baseline.

      And fix the HMS "enemy of the people" for life ...
      belay
  8. 0
    31 January 2020 07: 02
    Okinawa makes up 0,6% of Japanese territory, but 74% of US military installations and more than half of all United States forces in Japan are located there. It is necessary to make Okinawa a demilitarized zone, and better all of Japan, and not to neutralize existing and new threats. I think this is what the president and the Foreign Ministry are doing, with varying success.
    1. -6
      31 January 2020 07: 17
      Quote: Cloud Catcher
      It is necessary to make Okinawa a demilitarized zone, and better all of Japan, and not to neutralize existing and new threats. I think this is what the president and the Foreign Ministry are doing, with varying success.

      DO NOT LATE AT SCHOOL.
  9. +8
    31 January 2020 07: 06
    It must be stated once and for all that the Kuril Islands are an integral part of the Russian Federation and categorically prohibit any negotiations and / or discussions on their territorial affiliation. Any government official of the Russian Federation who has begun to discuss this issue with anyone is subject to immediate dismissal from public service and is put on trial on charges of treason.
    Well, the so-called. "peace treaty"? Who needs him? There is no fighting and will not be. If they want to sign it, we'll sign it. If they don’t want it, it’s not necessary. Japan was "de jure" at war with Montenegro for 102 (one hundred and two) years from 1904 to 2006. This does not affect economic relations in any way. So the Japanese, with their demands for the "northern territories", can go straight to their Japanese mother. negative
    1. -4
      31 January 2020 07: 24
      Quote: Amateur
      It must be stated once and for all that the Kuril Islands are an integral part of the Russian Federation and categorically prohibit any negotiations and / or discussions on their territorial affiliation. Any government official of the Russian Federation who has begun to discuss this issue with anyone is subject to immediate dismissal from public service and is put on trial on charges of treason.

      Well, yes, it would be nice. but you cannot testify against yourself! (Art. 51K of the Russian Federation).
    2. -1
      1 February 2020 11: 33
      Already .... Constitution Article 4.
      3. The Russian Federation ensures the integrity and inviolability of its territory.
      And nobody canceled diplomacy, for the sake of good-neighborly relations, at least ...
  10. +6
    31 January 2020 07: 11
    The Kuril question for 99.999% of Russians is CLOSED!
    1. 0
      31 January 2020 07: 32
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      The Kuril question for 99.999% of Russians is CLOSED!

      yes ... people are running ... from the north, from Vorkuta ... from everywhere ... look at these "state programs" ... apartments in Vorkuta are sold for the price of a bicycle ... hurray cho ... a jerk again ... if they don’t pour it into the Kuriles, everything is lost. It’s not easy for people to live there, they don’t need a lot, but, indeed, like us ... in the depths of Russia, we are not too different from the Kuriles, well, in salary, and in price tags in the store, no more. we also give all the money for the communal flat and the roads, and the local authorities are doing nothing ... in general, life goes on.
    2. -3
      31 January 2020 07: 52
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      The Kuril question for 99.999% of Russians is CLOSED!

      I can assume who these disagreeing 146 (as of January 780, 1), but I do not hope for memory ... wassat
      For native Russians, this issue is unambiguously resolved by 146%. The remaining dissenters are foreign agents, spies and corrupt corrupt officials who have nothing in common with Russia.
      Yes
      Quote: sergo1914
      Does the state of war with Japan bother me alone?

      Not. Also to Alexander Haraluzhny ... lol But he hides it ...
  11. +3
    31 January 2020 07: 11
    Does the state of war with Japan bother me alone?
    1. 0
      31 January 2020 07: 17
      Quote: sergo1914
      Does the state of war with Japan bother me alone?

      no, I don’t care either ... drinks
      1. +3
        31 January 2020 07: 29
        but I'm worried, more trophies of hotstsa
        1. -2
          31 January 2020 07: 58
          Quote: novel xnumx
          but I'm worried, more trophies of hotstsa

          interesting .. but .. age. "I will get there while I am afraid" I will give an oak .. "...." (C) L. Filatov.
          1. +2
            31 January 2020 08: 20
            yes ... but sorry ..
            1. -2
              31 January 2020 08: 21
              Quote: novel xnumx
              yes ... but sorry ..

              Duc ... it’s a pity .. however, our medicine is merciless. (and free) gee ...
              1. +2
                31 January 2020 08: 23
                life is merciless, and medicine is powerless
                1. -1
                  31 January 2020 08: 34
                  Quote: novel xnumx
                  life is merciless, and medicine is powerless

                  there is still a loophole: resist everything! Yes for example: "grandma with a scythe" came, but you are not there! you drink in garages with old people! well cho ... trampled and left! wassat
        2. +1
          31 January 2020 13: 40
          Quote: novel xnumx
          but I'm worried, more trophies of hotstsa


          Do you dream about concubines? Or a car?
          1. +3
            31 January 2020 14: 20
            more and more
    2. +4
      31 January 2020 14: 57
      Not only you, it somehow doesn’t bother me either ... Moreover, according to the Yalta agreement, these Hakamads must also Hokkaido to us ... It’s time to remind them of this more often ..
  12. +3
    31 January 2020 07: 22
    The islands are all there
    Well-selling Toyota
    Scandal only a fool
    1. -4
      31 January 2020 07: 34
      Quote: g1washntwn
      The islands are all there
      Well-selling Toyota
      Scandal only a fool

      hoku? drinks write! talent! what a verse! what expression! emotional anguish! drinksArberes's friend will cry ... wink
    2. 0
      31 January 2020 07: 53
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      1. -4
        31 January 2020 08: 01
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        РњС ‹СЃР» СЊ в „- 11

        1. -3
          31 January 2020 08: 14
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          R'S ‹RІRёR» СЃР ° РєСЌ СЃР ° РјСѓСЂР ° Р№
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      2. +5
        31 January 2020 08: 25
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        1. +4
          31 January 2020 08: 40
          Хрен РїРѕ СЏРїРѕРЅСЃРєРё -РІР ° СЃР ° Р ± Рё!
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  13. -3
    31 January 2020 07: 31
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    P — P ° PєP ° P · PЅP ° эту тему РїРѕС € еР»С З С‚Рѕ Р» Рё?

    РўРѕ Р ° РЅРёРјРµ СѓР ± РёРІР ° РµС ‚, то РњРёРєСѓ РїР» РѕС ... Р ° СЏ, то РµС ‰ С 'С З С‚Рѕ РЅРёР ± СѓРґСЊ.
    P'S ‹СЃР ° СЃС‹ РІР ° СЋС ‚РёР · РїР ° Р» СЊС † Р ° уже РєР ° Рє РјРѕРіСѓС ‚...
    1. 0
      31 January 2020 07: 33
      РќСѓ ежели РњРёРєР ° Р · Р ° поет РІСЂРѕ РєСѓСЂРёР »СЊСЃРєРёРµ РсстровР° СЏ СЃР ° Рј РЅР ° нее Р °Р ° Р ... Р ° Р ... РѓР ° Р ... Р ... ... РјР ° С € РёРЅР ° РІСЃРµ тР° РєРё ... ей РїРѕ Р ± Р ° СЂР ° Р ± Р ° РЅСѓ.
      1. -4
        31 January 2020 07: 53
        R ”Р ° РІСЂСЏРґ Р» Рё, РІСЃРµ тР° РєРё РѕРЅРѕ РїРѕР »РёС‚РёРєР °.
  14. 0
    31 January 2020 07: 39
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    Опять Рё СЃРЅРѕРІР ° ° ... потом Р ± СѓРґРµС ‚СЃРЅРѕРІР ° Рё Рспять!
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  15. 0
    31 January 2020 08: 07
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    Thank God, the days are gone when such freaks as Gorbachev were at the head of the state. And "Kemska volost" will remain, no "Take away, the state will not become poorer!"
  16. -1
    31 January 2020 08: 59
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  17. 0
    31 January 2020 09: 15
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  18. BAI
    -1
    31 January 2020 09: 16
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  19. +1
    31 January 2020 09: 49
    P "P ° ± RѕR SЉSЏSЃRЅRoS,Rμ R¶Rμ RЅR ° RєRѕRЅRμS SЏRїRѕRЅS † † P Rј ° C ‡ S,Rѕ Sѓ RЅR ° SЃ RЅRμS, RєSѓSЂRoR" SЊSЃRєRѕRіRѕ RІRѕRїSЂRѕSЃR ° Ryo SЃRІRѕRo S,RμSЂSЂRoS,RѕSЂRoRo RјS <RЅRoRєRѕRјSѓ RѕS, РґР ° РІР ° ть РЅРµ СЃРѕР ± РёСЂР ° емся РЅРё СЃРµР№С З Р ° СЃ, РЅРё РІ Р ± СѓРґСѓС ‰ ем. Пусть РїСЂРёРІС ‹РєР ° СЋС‚ Рє РјС ‹СЃР» Рё, С З С‚Рѕ СЌС‚РѕС ‚РІРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ РёР · РјРёСЂР ° С„ Р ° нтР° СЃР‚. РќСѓ РёР »Рё поднять РИРѕРїСЂРѕСЃ Рѕ РїСЂРёРЅР ° РґР» ежности РҐРѕРєРєР ° Р№РґРѕ.
  20. +1
    31 January 2020 09: 57
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  21. 0
    31 January 2020 10: 38
    The Kuril Question. Will Japan and Russia find a solution?

    We support the Ainu People’s Republic!
  22. +1
    31 January 2020 10: 52
    Wonderful!
    Well, in fact ... Well, you can't react like that to any proclamation of a journalist (s) on this topic ... You think that in the Russian Federation and Japan, experts are not in the subject that this "topic" has long been closed?!?!? ! That I belittle you ...
    But .... this question is left open, obviously, profitable for a number of reasons, and not at all so obvious for NESPets and especially for - the journalist (s).
    International diplomats from the word pros eat their bread with black caviar is not always free ....
    Factors and nuances (hidden !!!!) of international law, international relations in general (and not only within the framework of "RF - Japan") are so multilevel and multifaceted and paradoxical that this topic can be for an outside observer .. .. ETERNAL !!!! And this does not mean at all the actual (despite the media howling from all sides) Japan's claims to these territories.
    The game is all ... theater.
  23. +1
    31 January 2020 11: 00
    the head of the Japanese government took the oath "to put an end to peace talks with Russia" precisely on his father’s grave
    He made an oath, but there is no result, even if in accordance with glorious Japanese traditions he makes himself hara-kiri, otherwise why would the circus be arranged?
  24. -2
    31 January 2020 11: 16
    They can give it back. Our president loves broad gestures at the expense of the state. Yes, money is not earned by hard work and families abroad are sorry. And people will be explained that a difficult decision was made and they had to make sacrifices for peace on earth.
    1. +2
      31 January 2020 14: 54
      Well then, let him dump himself from Russia ... a holy place does not happen empty ...
  25. -1
    31 January 2020 13: 16
    As they say: if the bitch does not want, the dog will not jump. With the Kuril Islands a similar situation
  26. 0
    31 January 2020 13: 23
    Let's put the boots separately and the eggs separately. And on the one hand there will be JAPANESE problems - aesthetic, mental, the grave of Shinzo Abe's grandfather, the day of the northern territories and the bacchanalia that they like to arrange on this day, different exhibitions and so on ... now, all this is theirs, purely Japanese processes.
    We must watch this with the bored curiosity of a tourist who suddenly finds himself on some kind of indigenous holiday, during which you can see partially the flavor of the locals and join their psychedelic vision of reality. All this does not concern us - we took these territories away from a country that believed that it had every right to take everything it wanted from its neighbors and kill whomever it wanted it the way it wanted. They reaped what they sowed and now there is nothing to choke on "Doshirak" out of grief.

    Objectively, we are interested in the Japanese market, from which we expect to be able to scratch out modern dual-use and high-tech products, as well as the technologies themselves, access to which is extremely difficult for us (and even more difficult). We believe that the Japanese will be more willing to buy our resources, liquefied gas, come to us as rich tourists, that Japanese banks will lend to some of our movements in the Far East. Finally, we also consider it very beneficial to have productive relations with Japan as a diversification of relations with China. As well as the prospect of "knocking out" the United States from these territories. In general - in THEORY - a net profit. And what do we need for this (in theory)? Just a peace treaty. BUT THIS IS IN THEORY.

    But in practice, since the end of BB2, we have been living in peace without this peace treaty. You and I are neither cold nor hot from his imprisonment and from the malice of the Japanese public about the "northern territories". Because during all this time - we have learned to live WITHOUT JAPAN, and Japan has learned to live without us. Now there are enough Asian countries with which we can cooperate in microelectronics. There are enough countries to which we can sell resources in this region. In ANY case, Japan will buy our resources the more likely it is, the more the crisis and competition with China will affect it. Invest themselves, buy themselves - so as not to die. But what we will give them for is a question of the skill of our diplomacy. You just have to wait - time is playing on us.
    As for Japanese tourists and investments, the Japanese are quite a "snickering" nation, and hardly the level of infrastructure that we have in the Far East can attract / accept a potential tourist boom from the Land of the Rising Sun. As for investments, a good half of Asia, Australia, the USA, Latin America lies before the Japanese business. And the ability to choose from countries that are much more comfortable for doing business than the Russian Federation. And they will choose whether the contract is signed or not.

    Thus - in its current form all this hype around the islands - this is a conversation about painting between the blind and the deaf. There is NO special benefit for us to change anything on this issue, let alone give territory. Over time, either Japan will try to resolve the issue by force, or it will still make all the concessions that interest us for the sake of the benefit and survival of its economy. So we silently watch, prepare and wait.
  27. +1
    31 January 2020 13: 24
    Just wondering when this endless song will stop? Some make claims, others protest, still others pee, others discuss and resent. But - most importantly - the Russian flag over the Kuril Islands !!!
    I do not think that any of the Russian politicians will ever decide to surrender the Kuril Islands: after all, then he will go down in history (Russia and the world) with the glory of Herostratus. Hardly anyone would want it except for traitors.
    1. -3
      31 January 2020 14: 16
      This may well be done through a multi-move and "leading" local residents to some "spontaneous" actions or referendums, or even through some vague procedures of "economic development by two states", when Japan will offer dual citizenship to local residents or a green card for part-time work in Japan (or build a joint venture). Then Japanese language courses and cultural popularization will come, then they will launch some kind of ferry on preferential terms, etc.
      One fine day, a plebiscite will just happen (not even on all islands, but let's say 1-2), in which the majority of local residents choose so to speak ..
      Well, or they can do it clumsy at all - the Japanese delegation will come (such as tourists, etc.), they will talk with local small and medium-sized businesses, with fishermen. They say the guys! Do you know how much your products cost in Japan? Now, consider that for 10 years you will have the right to EXCLUSIVELY trap / trade in the Japanese market and blah blah blah. And the peasants who only yesterday were in the world and were free to make ends meet would think - but not to send everything, they still steal and live like kings, why am I worse ?!
      Then everything will be fast, and on condition of some kind of "agreement" between the Japanese and our leaders, it will still be relatively calm. They will present it as a triumph of democracy, self-determination, a step of power towards people, etc.
      Could this happen, huh?)
      1. +3
        2 February 2020 02: 27
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        locals

        Do you think there are so many idiots among the local population who, after 2014, will want to disconnect from Russia ??? wassat laughing
  28. +3
    31 January 2020 14: 52
    There is nothing to decide! ALL the Kuril Islands rightfully belong to Russia! All doubters need to be deported from the Russian Federation in 24 hours, with the deprivation of citizenship of the Russian Federation! Bandera Khrushchev signed something there, here from him, in hell, even ask! Maybe Ukraine will give them Lviv, instead of the Kuril Islands ... anyway, Poland will take it away, so does it really matter to whom to give ...
  29. +3
    31 January 2020 14: 54
    Let the Japs first prove by document that Hokaydo is actually them ... Maybe then we won’t take him back - as the Russian merchants and sailors were the first to colonize him ...
  30. +1
    31 January 2020 17: 50
    Recently watched a dock movie ..
    When they started to wet the Japanese Kwantung group in Manchuria, the Marine Corps was flushed out to the Kuril Islands .. And the island was captured by our 3 thousand Marines .. We were ready to land on Hokaido, but Stalin canceled the order (there could be many losses), and Japan has already capitulated .. hi
    PS By the way, the Japanese garrison on the islands numbered 9 thousand soldiers against 3 thousand of our daredevils of marines .. When the Japanese general found out about this, he had a tantrum, it was a fact
  31. +1
    31 January 2020 18: 17
    Whether or not there is a peace treaty with the Japanese is not important. 75 years without him. If only the military might of the Russian Federation in the Far East in advance discouraged the samurai from trying to resolve the Kuril issue "in their favor" hi
  32. 0
    31 January 2020 19: 13
    And why look for a long time ago found in 1945! But it's time to close this topic.
    1. +1
      31 January 2020 21: 51
      We need to say less and build more military bases on the islands, by the way today it’s not as difficult as the Japanese used to level the runway with steam bulldozers on Matua, now you can deliver at least a medium-sized bucket wheel excavator to the island and work in three shifts in one season it will transform the whole landscape, dig out everything that is buried there by the Japanese, and one bulk carrier with crushed stone, cement and a mixer will concrete a berth of several hectares in two days.
  33. 0
    2 February 2020 14: 13
    No problem
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  35. 0
    3 February 2020 14: 57
    Why the contract is needed, it’s time to completely close the issue with the Kuril people and not wag their tail, but to directly say that the Russian land is not for sale, and there is nothing for tourists to do narrow-film there
  36. 0
    4 February 2020 18: 23
    They will surely find a solution: Russia will have a bagel, that is, an island, and Japan will have a donut hole and a further opportunity to dream and drool while looking at the islands.