Needles for food! How to feed the Russian population in the war


Pine needles. It is simply amazing how much of it is valuable!


Each of us saw pine, spruce, fir needles. For my taste, there is nothing better than drill timber on a high bank above the river, and so that there are only ferns under the pines - a forest of the Carboniferous period. But this is for relaxation, to make a fire, cook porridge and enjoy the long northern twilight and the warmth of fire.

For military purposes, the thickest fir tree is best. It provides excellent shelter from the enemy, even equipped with thermal imagers. Spruce sheltered from the weather, from rain and snow. If you chop off a few lower branches, you get an impromptu tent, dry and comfortable enough to sleep. In the rain or fog on the spruce branches there is enough water, it can be collected and drunk. Elnik is good for ambush and defense. If the enemy decides to comb it, you can hit the line almost point blank.

But now we will consider the military-economic use of needles, which is a very good food and vitamin raw material.

A decoction of pine needles from time immemorial has been used as a vitamin remedy, strengthening strength and preventing scurvy. It is difficult to say when and how the needles discovered this property. In any case, it is known that in the XVII century a decoction of needles is already included in the obligatory set of pasture for Siberian explorers. Cossacks in jails prepared needles and drank decoction, since rye bread (the main food product) was still poor in vitamins, and gardening appeared a bit later.

An easily obtained decoction of pine needles was also used during the war to combat vitamin deficiency. All hospitals prepared needles, boiled them in large tanks and distributed them to the wounded. The broth contributed to faster healing of wounds and recovery from wounds. The wounded used to complain of a sour brew, but its properties were undeniable. A decoction of needles was widely used in the besieged Leningrad, and the partisans, in general, were used very widely.

Needles for food! How to feed the Russian population in the war

A decoction of pine needles is prepared easily and quickly

One would expect that after the war, research on needles and its use for food will continue, and this product, which is readily available in our conditions, will be included in the set of military-economic measures. But that did not happen. The needles after the war were considered almost exclusively as pharmaceutical raw materials and animal feed. In any case, in a very detailed book by E.D. Levina and S.M. Turnip “Processing green wood", published in 1984, needles are considered in this way.

Coniferous sugar


When reading this book, I had the impression that its authors carefully avoided one of the most interesting points - the rather high content of sugars (glucose, fructose, sucrose in the needles - up to 6,5% of dry weight). The book was published in the series “Industry to the Village”, and I think that the party leadership punished scientists to circumvent this topic so that the glorious workers of the village and forestry would not learn how to drive what was good from the needles of moonshine and would not go too far. The resources of the needles, as calculated by VNIIIPIEIlesprom, were enormous. In the cutting area of ​​the early 1980s, about 25 million tons of needles were collected annually in the RSFSR, of which economically available resources amounted to about 10 million tons. With a humidity of 50% and a sugar content of up to 6,5% (there are some subtleties, which will be discussed below), the sugar reserves in economically accessible needles reached 325 thousand tons, which gives a theoretical yield of 141,2 million liters of absolute alcohol, or 353 million liters of vodka. That would be 11,9% of the production of vodka in the USSR in 1980. These, we note, are resources that, for the most part, were simply thrown into the forest, burned in the cutting areas, completely mismanaged.


It is simply amazing how mismanaged we are about our resources. In this bonfire, about half a sack of sugar will burn

As for the total amount of needles in Russia, this figure can be calculated approximately. The weight of the needles of coniferous trees is about 100 kg per cubic meter of wood (for spruce 152,5 kg), that is, a pine with a diameter of 30 cm at a height of 20 meters will have a trunk volume of 0,66 cubic meters, and the weight of the needles will be 66 kg. Spruce of the same size will have a trunk volume of 0,68 cubic meters and needles weigh 103 kg. The area of ​​coniferous forests in Russia according to 2015 accounting is 510,5 million hectares. The average number of trees per hectare is 2,5 thousand. Total, it turns out the weight of the needles in the coniferous forests of Russia reaches enormous amounts - 84 billion 232 million tons. It contains up to 2,737 billion tons of sugar.

These are all extremely rough estimates, more expressing the order of numbers than a more or less accurate number. But they also show a huge available resource of food raw materials, which can be useful in wartime.

The subtlety lies in the fact that the sugar content in needles varies greatly by month. The highest sugar content in it is in the winter, in January and February, when the tree stores nutrients for the winter. In summer, on the contrary, its maintenance is minimal. Once I did experiments on fermenting the infusion of pine needles. The infusion, of course, wandered, but not too well. This is not surprising since I used summer needles with a low sugar content. I did not have winter needles.

The needles of winter harvesting should give a good result if you process the chopped needles in two stages: squeezing the juice for subsequent evaporation (to obtain sugar concentrate for fermentation, obtaining alcohol and food yeast) and soaking the squeezed needles in hot water (also for fermentation). One-off concentrated coniferous juice may turn out to be a good sugar-vitamin concentrate, but this still needs to be checked.

Protein concentrate


Although the authors of the above-mentioned book tried to circumvent the topic of food use of needles, nevertheless, they gave some valuable information. An analysis of the chemical composition showed that summer needles, especially at the beginning of active tree growth, that is, in May-June, contain few sugars, but many proteins with a diverse amino acid composition.

At the Siberian Institute of Technology, a method was proposed for producing protein-vitamin concentrate by hot water extraction while chopping needles. By salting out the aqueous extract, a protein-vitamin concentrate is obtained which contains 55% protein, 12% fiber, 11% fat and 10% water-soluble substances. The yield of concentrate is 80-90 kg per ton of dry raw material. In other words, in the total weight of the needles in the forests of Russia there is a reserve, moreover, constantly updated, about 208 million tons of protein.

The average person consumes about 60 grams of protein per day. About 3,5 million tons of protein products will be enough to feed the entire population of Russia with protein, and for this, it is enough to use 1,6% of the protein reserves contained in needles.

Of course, it is unlikely that coniferous protein-vitamin concentrate will be as good as, say, egg. But in wartime, you do not have to choose. The very possibility of supplementing a protein diet with raw materials, originally non-food, is of great importance. Up to the point that, having learned how to make edible protein from needles, you can already count on how to withstand a protracted total war, even if traditional animal husbandry and plant growing are plunged into a strong crisis. And in a nuclear war, in which many valuable arable and pasture lands can be highly radioactively contaminated and permanently taken out of use, this method of obtaining food protein can be saving. Remote forest areas in which there are no important military and economic facilities and which are most likely not to be exposed to nuclear attacks or significant radioactive contamination can become sources of food protein. The choice between the options: starve to death, dig up radioactive wheat or pork or coniferous protein concentrate, is still quite obvious. In addition, it seems that it is possible to develop a technology for purification of coniferous protein from undesirable impurities.


Young shoots of needles containing a lot of protein and starch

It should also be added that fresh coniferous shoots contain a lot of starch, up to 25-30% of the weight of young shoots in July. Getting starch is also not so difficult. The young shoots crushed into a paste are treated with cold water, filtered through a fabric filter, and then washed several times to obtain pure starch.

And after all this, the remaining mass of needles is still suitable for further processing, for example, for the hydrolysis of cellulose (needles contain about 32% polysaccharides that are easily hydrolyzed), for the extraction of chlorophyll-carotene paste, coniferous wax, and essential oils. It can also be used as feed for animals and birds, and so on.

In general, if the possibilities of agriculture sharply decreased during the war, which usually happens, but there are vast coniferous forests, then you can start processing the needles for food.
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  1. Hunter 2 1 February 2020 03: 39 New
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    Everything for Collecting Needles - The author writes now in it the maximum sugar content! Author - you are a golden man!
    Let's hit moonshine on the superprofits of alcohol dealers! wassat
    In Red and White (a network of shops selling alcoholic beverages) - Weep while reading an article! crying
    1. Range 1 February 2020 04: 02 New
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      An article is an OBJ lesson or an article is a provocateur for poaching.
      1. bessmertniy 1 February 2020 04: 45 New
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        Thanks to the author for the informative material. And the wish is not to stop there. As a survival course, he should publish a series of articles and describe the delights of feeding the people under the extreme conditions of imperialist sanctions with acorns, swans, nettles, dandelions, lotus roots, and other unconventional products of nature that domestic trade neglects. hi
        1. aybolyt678 1 February 2020 07: 47 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          Thanks to the author for the informative material.

          how to cleanse needles from tannins and terpenes? How to separate a saline solution into protein, sugar, starch and salt with a rag? how to cheaply chop needles? where to take pots in the woods ?? wassat
          The author probably forgot that it is possible to obtain nitrocellulose from needlewood pulp by simply treating it with nitric acid! laughing and this is already an explosive necessary for guerrilla warfare! wassat and also, if anyone does not know, then dandelions are rubber plants, that is, they produce rubber! of course in minimal quantities! BUT! in the conditions of the war, who knows, maybe this information is useful to whom ?????? ......... smile smile
          article gives more questions than answers
          1. SHURUM -BURUM 1 February 2020 10: 36 New
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            Add my five cents)). In war, salt is known to become a deficit. I suggest the author to offer a non-energy-intensive recipe for the allocation of salt from urine, well, as, for example, astronauts already emit water from it for drinking. And if also sugar !!! Then the war is no longer so terrible for us! drinks
            1. Amin_vivec 2 February 2020 17: 08 New
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              In the great Russian partisans, they actively used coniferous broth to combat scurvy; a mug a day for a soldier is a disgusting thing, but it is irreplaceable for scurvy and vitamin deficiency. Grandfather told.
              1. Cananecat 3 February 2020 01: 22 New
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                Grandmother said that in the spring during the war they fed cattle with young branches of pine and fir.
                1. Amin_vivec 4 February 2020 23: 17 New
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                  The young needles are so edible - it has not yet darkened, the most delicious in the spring is the needles of larch - as sour as sorrel)))
              2. Blue fox 4 February 2020 10: 51 New
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                Quote: Amin_Vivec
                In the great Russian partisans actively used coniferous broth

                And not only in World War II. If you add several brushes of young sprouts of spruce to freshly brewed tea, you can not only get an almost complete analogy with the addition of lemon slices, but in addition to saturating with vitamins a certain tonic effect. And if you mix the cooled down broth with water within reasonable limits, so as not to get an unacceptable taste, then drinking a little bit during the night is easier to fight with sleep. It is also convenient for the infused broth to disinfect the mouth to some extent (especially during a long trip or in the field exit) because wounds and frequent stomatitis heal faster, and simply rinsing to remove amber from the use of dry rations, canned food, semi-finished products, etc. (alcohol rather sets off lol ).
          2. Narak-zempo 2 February 2020 14: 19 New
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            Quote: aybolyt678
            and also, if anyone does not know, then dandelions are rubber plants, that is, they produce rubber

            Incidentally, in the 30s, serious work was carried out in this direction. Before we learned B.M. satisfactory synthetic rubber do. Only not with our usual dandelion, but with the Central Asian kok-sagyz.
        2. Uma palata 1 February 2020 08: 26 New
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          Your sophisticated irony is at the wrong place. The author of the article provided very interesting information that may also become very necessary. Good article. By the way, so that all this was previously unknown, it is not. The author is a wise guy, pulled out the positive experience of his ancestors. And it can be called non-traditional only to those who live in the city all their happy asphalt-concrete mortar.
          1. SHURUM -BURUM 1 February 2020 10: 38 New
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            He who lives in nature does not grieve, he will be well fed
            1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 13: 00 New
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              He who lives in nature does not grieve, he will be well fed
              Theoretically, everything is correct. And practically? Why does everyone go to megacities? For death? Many have forgotten how to cook. They eat only sausage. Well or Big Mac.
            2. SHURUM -BURUM 2 February 2020 19: 12 New
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              By the way, quite by accident, looking at patents I just stumbled upon this: "In this case, within 5-10 days before exposure to lethal doses of ionizing radiation as a biological preparation, an extract of green Siberian fir is introduced with water or feed at a dose of 8,0-10,0 ml / kg. The method provides effective prevention of radiation sickness and improving the survival of laboratory animals due to the formation of a state of increased radioresistance "
              Patent 2568905
              https://findpatent.ru/patent/256/2568905.html
              1. SHURUM -BURUM 2 February 2020 19: 36 New
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                Maybe the author, recommending needles, had in mind a different subtext?
          2. antique 5 February 2020 15: 47 New
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            So then it is. But somehow. In the foreseeable future, the protein from the needles and sugar to the mug of infusion, we do not shine. There was a research institute of protein in Moscow. Now there is none. There are practically no wood chemistry enterprises either. Some factories are trying to establish the release of biologically active components, in particular from larch. But, there is no investment. And to take a loan for such an activity, for some reason it is very difficult. The release of domestic dihydroquercetin is slipping.
            So, we will not see the protein and other delights from our forests.
        3. atalef 1 February 2020 09: 43 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          Thanks to the author for the informative material. And the wish is not to stop there.

          everything has been invented
        4. at84432384 1 February 2020 16: 05 New
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          And earthworms, there are two orders of magnitude more protein.
      2. Svarog 1 February 2020 07: 39 New
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        A very interesting story .. In England to this day, moonshine is driven away hiding in the forest .. though it’s not from pine needles .. they use classic raw materials .. but moonshine from pine needles can be great .. I knew everything about pine needles, but about sugar ..
        1. Blacksmith 55 1 February 2020 10: 01 New
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          Good morning everybody .
          It is not in England that moonshine is driven through forests, but in the USA and Canada.
          Who wants to try gin with the taste of needles, Finsbury, there are many varieties of them (I call this drink, with gramophone needles). The real taste of needles.
          This is not a drink advertisement.
          Of course, if it comes to it, we’ll not only eat needles for food, but, God forbid.
          1. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 13: 11 New
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            I read about those who died of starvation. Died in the presence of cereals. Another case of our Afghans. To the question of what they brought back, ammunition! Although they were cut off for a long time. Ammunition brought. That's just the faces of the natives were neither emaciated, but became even more rounded. We cut a chip?
          2. bayard 2 February 2020 05: 18 New
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            Quote: smith 55
            Who wants to try gin with the taste of needles, Finsbury, there are many varieties of them (I call this drink, with gramophone needles). The real taste of needles.

            When we were in Vilnius, my comrades and I sometimes tasted gin in the Lokisa cellars ... I nicknamed this drink the Christmas tree - for the expressive and pleasant taste of needles. hi
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      4. Mar.Tirah 1 February 2020 07: 58 New
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        Quote: Spectrum
        An article is an OBJ lesson or an article is a provocateur for poaching.

        This article is from idleness. What else would I invent? I’m a taiga man, I live in the taiga, but I definitely wouldn’t think of it. I cooked tar, boiled fir oil, collected fir cones, birch buds, measles oak, herbs, roots I know which go to food and treatment. Fir is added to livestock feed from diseases, but have you never heard of pine trees? I need to give him a star of a hero. And I invite him to let him show in practice. Pines 50 meters from my house, except for building materials and firewood the pine tree does not go, well, even sawdust and needles from the wood go to the garden to moisturize, and water retention in general poradoval.Skolko peske.Po sugar in the berries is not collected it killed all the horror ..
        1. Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 10: 50 New
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          Quote: Mar. Tira
          but never heard of pine trees?

          In Leningrad, Komsomol detachments were allocated to harvest needles.
          1. Fan-fan 1 February 2020 13: 37 New
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            The fact that he did not hear anything does not mean anything. Is he such a great authority?
      5. 2112vda 1 February 2020 09: 52 New
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        Normal article. In 1972 and 73 in the Volgograd region was a crop failure. In forest districts, a spruce was prepared for the production of coniferous-vitamin flour. This year, in the southern regions of the European part of Russia, a snowless winter. This will cause problems with the preparation of feed in the summer. We will have to recall the old experience. While there is still time, it is necessary to work out technologies for producing food, feed and technical products from growing plants. At one time, there was even such a subject in forestry schools as KIPL (integrated use of forest utilities).
        If it comes to a big swara, not necessarily nuclear, you have to get liquid fuel from garbage and vegetation. All this needs to be worked out now, and not run with a "fried ass" later. The topic in the article was raised useful.
        1. Mar.Tirah 1 February 2020 12: 59 New
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          Quote: 2112vda
          Normal article. In 1972 and 73 in the Volgograd region was a crop failure.

          Quote: 2112vda
          We will have to recall the old experience.

          It’s a pity that people repressed and exiled to Siberia did not have your experience in the years 30–40–50. There were up to pine trees and more, but for some reason people died as whole families as in besieged Leningrad, ate nettles, burdocks, quinoa, all kinds of roots, but they refused to eat pine needles. The people do you care about what ???????????????????? Each time I come out of such discussions of articles on the VO dumber and dumber.
          1. Fan-fan 1 February 2020 13: 39 New
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            I read reviews and each time I am convinced - some become dumber and dumber.
      6. iouris 2 February 2020 12: 44 New
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        Quote: Spectrum
        article - a provocateur for poaching.

        Who is the main poacher? But certainly not the population.
      7. Reptiloid 2 February 2020 14: 52 New
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        Quote: Spectrum
        An article is an OBJ lesson or an article is a provocateur for poaching.

        Thanks to the author! laughing I read the article yesterday, considered everything recourse ---- what can you cook for free now? In addition to felling and moss, which allowed to collect? For a city dweller is very important.
        Near the house there are coniferous plantations. Low trees. In the morning, go for a run ---- at the same time and collect some branches, such as a winter bouquet. And this is ----- breakfast!
        Yesterday I learned from tv about the amazing properties of the web. Among other things ---- it has a lot of protein! good
        I’ll see the flying ---- catch and harvest! So a little piece will accumulate in the freezer!
        Waiting for new publications and recipes!
    2. demo 1 February 2020 07: 10 New
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      With a humidity of 50% and a sugar content of up to 6,5% (there are some subtleties, which will be discussed below), the sugar reserves in economically accessible needles reached 325 thousand tons, which gives a theoretical yield of 141,2 million liters of absolute alcohol, or 353 million liters of vodka.
      As soon as I got to these lines, I realized one thing - the author was a secret fighter with network (and not only) alcohol distributors.
      But!
      So you can transfer all forests to alcohol.
      In vain he published it.
      It is necessary to ban and delete the article! drinks drinks
      1. demo 1 February 2020 07: 16 New
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        It is no one has done subcritical CO2 extraction of needles.

        There, in technology, the yield of all substances is hundreds of times higher.
        From any raw material.
        True and the technology is not simple and cheap.
        I’ve been trying to understand this topic for about a year.
        Very interesting.
        And the products are such that it is impossible to obtain in other conditions, or extremely little, or too expensive.
        1. Operator 1 February 2020 11: 29 New
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          No supercritical CO2: 73 atmospheres and 31 degrees Celsius.
          1. demo 1 February 2020 15: 56 New
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            I agree.
            Subcritical - the output of ultrapure substances.
            Supercritical - increase in quantity.

            But this is not the place to discuss it. hi
        2. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 13: 30 New
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          In which technology is the output hundreds of times higher? You cannot jump higher than sugar concentration. Unless I know what. Another issue is yeast survival. Yeast dies from its processed products. We call it shit, yeast has alcohol. There is yeast surviving at low temperature, there is at relatively high (like 25 degrees). There are survivors at a low concentration of alcohol, there are at a high (like 10%). If we take 10% as the norm, then hundreds of times will not work in any way. The ceiling seems to be 18% (but I could be wrong). A solution of vodka can not ferment. From alcohol too. Therefore, the tissue ** of a drunken boy ** fermented from alcohol is bullshit. With increasing temperature, the yeast dies. hi
      2. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 07: 42 New
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        Quote: demo
        So you can transfer all forests to alcohol.
        In vain he published it.
        It is necessary to ban and delete the article!

        Everyone is now torn to harvest pine needles and Christmas trees from garbage cans laughing drinks
        1. depressant 1 February 2020 08: 59 New
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          And we have not thrown a single Christmas tree this year. Probably cherished nature. And still buy an ax. Nearby is a huge spruce forest ...
          Oh, by the way, can you drive sugar out of a synthetic Christmas tree? I have such a tiny Christmas tree. Purchased in 2005. Then there was still extra money. I would know if I bought a natural one.
          1. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 09: 25 New
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            Quote: depressant
            Oh, by the way, can you drive sugar out of a synthetic Christmas tree? I have such a tiny Christmas tree. Purchased in 2005. Then there was still extra money. I would know if I bought a natural one.

            The same garbage Lyudmila)))) love
            Quote: depressant
            And still buy an ax. Nearby is a huge spruce forest ...

            And we have solid steppes .. If only near the Administration to cut a beautiful Christmas tree)))))
            1. depressant 1 February 2020 09: 38 New
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              Colleague, chop right now, otherwise the quick-witted will get ahead - stock up! Another question excites me - what to smoke? The author bashfully avoids this question. There is nothing to make a supply of cigarettes, tobacco is unlikely to grow with us. At least in the areas no one grows it. Yes, and I have no site.
              So is it possible to smoke dry birch leaf and needles?
              1. atalef 1 February 2020 09: 50 New
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                Quote: depressant
                So is it possible to smoke dry birch leaf and needles?

                1. depressant 1 February 2020 10: 09 New
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                  Hmm ... the video shows how to eat, not smoke.
                  But seriously, the articles are a little puzzling. Isn't it easier to dry crackers? While bread is available. This is when it comes to food. I happened to read that you can survive for two years if you have a supply of sunflower oil and honey. It is unlikely to bring pleasure to eat so long, but if you want to survive, you will be fed. You can add nutritious needles to honey. You can also gradually stock up cereals. When cooking, add needles. There is always something to make a fire from. You need to buy a bowler hat. I haven’t seen it on sale.
                  1. Golovan Jack 1 February 2020 10: 13 New
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                    Quote: depressant
                    Isn't it easier to dry crackers? While bread is available

                    To the whole country. The topic of the article is "Needles for food!" How to feed the Russian population in the war".
                    1. Fan-fan 1 February 2020 13: 44 New
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                      The topic is kind of normal, but what kind of war? Many here write in reviews that the war will last 15 minutes and all life on earth will be destroyed, i.e. not only people will not remain, but there will be no needles and trees.
                      1. Golovan Jack 1 February 2020 13: 52 New
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                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        what kind of war?

                        Yes, it would be better if no yes

                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        they write that the war will last 15 minutes and ... there will be no needles and trees

                        And this is possible.

                        In the article, as I understand it, both war and needles are supposed to exist together. With this - to the author, not to me.
                      2. Passing 1 February 2020 15: 43 New
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                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        that the war will last 15 minutes and all life on earth will be destroyed,

                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        And this is possible.

                        Not possible. Even if we take for granted the ravings about a nuclear winter, then they will freeze to death only closer to high latitudes, and even then, from the frozen seeds the plant world will then revive without any problems. And this is not taking into account that people in frozen regions will be able to survive from energy sources, such as coal or oil deposits, in Europe the same Gulf Stream can serve as a global stove.
                      3. Golovan Jack 1 February 2020 15: 58 New
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                        Quote: Passing by
                        Quote: Golovan Jack
                        that the war will last 15 minutes and all life on earth will be destroyed

                        For five years on the site, one could already learn to answer not just to anyone, but to the author:

                        Quote: Fan-Fan
                        Many here write in reviews, that the war will last 15 minutes and all life on earth will be destroyed

                        Try again (C) yes
                      4. Passing 1 February 2020 16: 32 New
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                        Not so often, I use the insert of a quote from a pre-post to remember that the site engine is clumsy, and in this case it substitutes the wrong nicknames.
                        You have a consolidated view of the problem that "this is possible." So I don’t see the reason for your indignation, I don’t ascribe to you not your position, and I refute it already, I’m quite correct, I refute your position.
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                  but what kind of war?

                  The last world, all with all, with sticks, slings and bows
        2. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 10: 15 New
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          Quote: depressant
          Another question excites me - what to smoke? The author bashfully avoids this question. There is nothing to make a supply of cigarettes, tobacco is unlikely to grow with us. At least in the areas no one grows it. Yes, and I have no site.
          So is it possible to smoke dry birch leaf and needles?

          This question is very important KUREVO! I remember in the 80s the dry law was, but okay survived .. But when cigarettes and even shag disappeared in the country suddenly abruptly (they tried to smoke tea, etc.)))
          Here the people specifically got muddied, which was necessary for certain forces .. Well, it started, the collapse of the USSR, etc.
          Cigarettes are now very expensive 10 times the price .. negative Maybe they want to ruin Russia again?
          It’s in Moscow where they are engaged in fitness, and in the provinces they sit to smoke cigarettes with men and talk about the political situation in the world .. One joy remained and that .. hi selected bastards
          The forum users from Israel are already mocking again here ..
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          2. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 13: 45 New
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            Well, about Michal Sergeyich, damn it, no words except bad ones! Even at his appearance they already said, Judah!
          3. Fan-fan 1 February 2020 13: 46 New
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            You won’t die without a smoke, but you’ll definitely die without a feed.
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            Quote: depressant
            Another question excites me - what to smoke? The author bashfully avoids this question. There is nothing to make a supply of cigarettes, tobacco is unlikely to grow with us. At least in the areas no one grows it. Yes, and I have no site.
            So is it possible to smoke dry birch leaf and needles?

            I don’t know for the dry leaves of birch, but in the war they smoked: Tansy, nettle, maple leaves, horsetail, plantain, Bogorodskaya grass, calamus, yarrow, mint, eucalyptus, sage, sweet clover, and thyme, it’s bitter, but it has the ability to clean well lungs and other airways, so this will be somewhat useful. Also, smoking from a dry leaf of nettle or thyme, leaves of strawberries or raspberries, eucalyptus or juniper helps to cleanse the bronchi and lungs of the mucus accumulated in them.
            Also, soldiers made various smoking mixtures:
            1) A mixture of fragrant herbs: Horsetail, Grass of the mountaineer, Mint, Motherwort, Donnik, Plantain, Thyme, Eucalyptus.
            2) A mixture of fragrant herbs: Horsetail, Grass, Highlander, Yarrow, Sage, Donnik, Plantain, Thyme, Eucalyptus. Flavored with the juice of wild berries.
            3) A mixture of fragrant herbs: Horsetail, Grass of the mountaineer, Yarrow, Motherwort, Donnik, Plantain, Thyme, Eucalyptus. Flavored with syrup from soldered candies.
            What can replace shag. Dry pine needles. On the broken branches, which turned yellow. It is stronger than shag, but smoking is quite possible. Only self-rolls need to be made thinner.
            Hutsuls in the Carpathians smoke coltsfoot and other local plants, they say, not only not harmful, but even useful.
        3. AllBiBek 1 February 2020 10: 23 New
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          There was such a problem in besieged Leningrad. It’s a long time to paint the details (google, there are materials on the network), but by the trial and error method, the autumn maple leaf, which has been harvested in tens of tons since the autumn of the 42nd, was recognized as the closest organoleptic to the shag. All the staff of the tobacco factory who survived the winter of the 41st, plus volunteers in the format of subbotniks.

          Well, about explosives from cones - I think you heard. Also the blockade invention is not from a good life and an overabundance of raw materials.
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            but by trial and error, the autumn maple leaf was recognized as the closest organoleptic to the shag, which had been harvested in tens of tons since the autumn of 42nd. All the staff of the tobacco factory who survived the winter of the 41st, plus volunteers in the format of subbotniks.

            Thanks for the info did not know about this, you need to remember what I can use in the future .. But in general I decided to grow my own tobacco ..
            Do not tell me which grade is better? Our steppe zone has a sharply continental climate hi
            1. Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 10: 58 New
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              Quote: Gonduras-m
              Do not tell me which grade is better?

              And remember what kind of variety Jack Vosmerkin was growing there. Georgia, sort of. laughing
              1. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 11: 39 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Gonduras-m
                Do not tell me which grade is better?

                And remember what kind of variety Jack Vosmerkin was growing there. Georgia, sort of. laughing

                Anasha ..? No, it’s dangerous for me to smoke .. How it will carry .. lol
                1. Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 11: 42 New
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                  Anasha ..?

                  Not Anasha, but American tobacco. Such a reunion in the restructuring was "Jack Vosmerkin-American."
                2. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 12: 43 New
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                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: Gonduras-m
                  Anasha ..?

                  Not Anasha, but American tobacco. Such a reunion in the restructuring was "Jack Vosmerkin-American."

                  And I remember such a fragrance, even I’ll take it and vatra when you smoke .. Well, there’s “Magna” the coolest, and until you say a few words, and the cigarette has decayed ... Already
                  good snuffbox was definitely ..
                  And yet, by that time, there were many questions with this tobacco ..
                  When you don’t have a smoke, you begin to get nervous, and especially in such a huge country like the USSR with reserves of just about five years of hostilities ...
                  The Soviet Union collapsed when cigarettes disappeared, then there was anger .. But they say the trains were packed with food and takbak .. Just saboteurs and saboteurs were waiting for confusion .. negative
          2. wehr 1 February 2020 13: 14 New
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            Try shag - it was grown in the steppe Kazakhstan.
            1. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 14: 59 New
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              Quote: wehr
              Try shag - it was grown in the steppe Kazakhstan.

              But where else to find her ..? I used to remember in Bati such kulets pressed were shag in stock ..
              Damn it, now I smoke like an oligarch angry And s \ n the same
              1. wehr 1 February 2020 15: 27 New
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                Request "shag seeds to buy"
                There are even different varieties.
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      3. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 13: 55 New
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        Well, about explosives from cones - I think you heard. Also the blockade invention is not from a good life and an overabundance of raw materials.
        In general, it’s clear. Instead of foreign investment, they set themselves up and won!
    3. demo 1 February 2020 11: 19 New
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      Many CULTURAL plants can be grown at home.
      But far from other people's keen eyes.
      1. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 12: 47 New
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        Quote: demo
        Many CULTURAL plants can be grown at home.
        But far from other people's keen eyes.

        Amanita say help, ate and a couple of days from life quickly passed. ))))
        I read Siberian stories .. There was a long road through the taiga. So here are some. To get there faster .. sly mushrooms were eaten .. laughing
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      Quote: depressant
      So is it possible to smoke dry birch leaf and needles?

      Folk Wisdom:
      Buoy wrapped in a newspaper - replaces a cigarette!
      Buoy wrapped in a scarf - replaces the whole block!

      wassat
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    And we have solid steppes .. If only near the Administration to cut a beautiful Christmas tree)))))
    Well you know! There are options! Sold in pots. Really small. But they are growing. There are brushes for washing bottles. All fake Christmas trees are brushes for washing bottles. What do you choose!
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      Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
      brushes for washing bottles. All fake Christmas trees are brushes for washing bottles. What do you choose!

      Of course, wash and take the bottles)))) I only do these in Russia wink
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    It’s not possible near the Administration - they are in store for themselves.
  • atalef 1 February 2020 10: 27 New
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    Quote: demo
    With a moisture content of 50% and a sugar content of up to 6,5% (there are some subtleties that will be discussed below), the sugar reserves in economically accessible needles reached 325 thousand tons, which gives a theoretical yield of 141,2 million liters of absolute alcohol, or 353 million liters of vodka

    1. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 12: 50 New
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      Atalev, the Christmas tree is not Russian .. innocent bottles, this is not ours
      Do you have it in Israel if drinks
  • svd-xnumx 1 February 2020 17: 02 New
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    Everything for Collecting Needles
    During the forestry year 85-86, we built a workshop for processing pine needles into cattle flour. The workshop worked in diesel fuel, of course, electricity was also used and I remember the tractor through the power take-off shaft that was running there. Then Chernobyl struck and the production died out, maybe even because of the beginning of the collapse of economic ties that led to the collapse of the country.
  • svp67 1 February 2020 03: 54 New
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    Alcohol, yes in such quantities from the needles !!!!!! I am surprised that our coniferous forest is still growing.
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      Alcohol, yes in such quantities from the needles !!!!!! I am surprised that our coniferous forest is still growing.

      Something I also thought what Delete the article, and everything is classified! Otherwise, only hemp will remain! crying
      You are the Moderator, all hope for you! Save the Forest Together !!!
      1. svp67 1 February 2020 04: 29 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        Save the Forest Together !!!

        And who knows, maybe now pines, but Christmas trees on personal plots will begin to plant after this ...
        1. Hunter 2 1 February 2020 04: 42 New
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          Well then, at least bold highlight and insert Article 8.28 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation Illegal logging, damage to forest stands ... and intimidate everyone with a fine.
          And about the criminal liability do not forget the article 260 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (up to three years) yes
          1. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 09: 30 New
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            Quote: Hunter 2
            Well then, at least bold highlight and insert Article 8.28 of the Administrative Code of the Russian Federation Illegal logging, damage to forest stands ... and intimidate everyone with a fine.
            And about the criminal liability do not forget the article 260 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (up to three years) yes

            So good people scare and interest Alex .. wassat You are now even stronger in your thoughts strained .. Forbidden in Russia is always in price! drinks Especially when it comes to alcohol production .... moonshine for needles is already a brand
        2. bessmertniy 1 February 2020 04: 48 New
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          It is necessary to pay attention to deciduous products. Perhaps with deep processing they can make some kind of food. Yes, and fermentation products can be no less interesting than the assortment of the alcohol market. what
        3. Olgovich 1 February 2020 07: 15 New
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          And who knows, maybe now pines, but Christmas trees on personal plots will begin to plant after this ...

          That neither!

          The author writes that the needles roam WEAKLY! request

          True, he made a reservation that we are talking about summer needles, but judging by the fact that for some reason he does not prudently mention the winter experience - there is also no fountain ... recourse
      2. agel26r 1 February 2020 07: 06 New
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        delete late, I copied everything to laughing
        1. demo 1 February 2020 07: 18 New
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          I downloaded the book to which the author refers !!!!
          "Not gonna get us".
    2. AllBiBek 1 February 2020 10: 24 New
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      Sosnovsky’s hogweed is even more. Moreover, it is even more there than in sugar beets. But what's the point ...
      1. Winnie76 1 February 2020 16: 31 New
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        Salads seem to be made from shoots, they boil soup. Silage. But I would root it if I could
    3. SOVIET UNION 2 1 February 2020 14: 03 New
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      I am surprised that our coniferous forest is still growing.

      Or is it not in vain that so many forests are being brought to China?
  • 72jora72 1 February 2020 04: 11 New
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    When we were young, in the spring they liked to bite off young larch needles from branches of larch. Delicate, sour taste, and almost no coniferous taste.
    1. bessmertniy 1 February 2020 08: 31 New
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      And for some reason I liked to gnaw fake kidneys. Pretty good taste. repeat
      1. 72jora72 1 February 2020 08: 36 New
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        And for some reason I liked to gnaw fake kidneys. Pretty good taste.
        I know, only in Chukotka we don’t have lindens sad
        1. depressant 1 February 2020 10: 15 New
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          But you have a very sweet shiksha in Chukotka! How much of it was eaten by me in early childhood ... Hmmm ...
  • Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 04: 18 New
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    Comrade Verkhoturov, judging by the previous article, hit hard on moonshine. It is interesting that there will be about chestnuts, acorns, oak bark and deadwood. Chaga should not be forgotten either, they say it treats cancer. repeat
    1. Olgovich 1 February 2020 07: 21 New
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      Quote: mordvin xnumx
      Comrade Verkhoturov, judging by the previous article, hit hard on moonshine.

      Not for moonshine, but for food: yeast + needles = a fairy tale for the stomach. good
    2. wehr 1 February 2020 14: 28 New
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      My dream is to develop a method for isolating alcohol from a mash without distillation; cold method.
      Distillation I do not like significant energy consumption.
  • Comrade 1 February 2020 04: 19 New
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    so that the glorious toilers of the village and forestry do not learn to drive what is good from moonshine needles

    In the "perestroika" with vodka, strains began, people began to drive moonshine. Gorbachev in response introduced coupons for sugar (USSR), and many in our city began to drive moonshine from lollipops. Nothing so product came out, but it gave a great essence.
    Sugar, I remember, cost 78 kopecks, and candy about two rubles per kilogram.
    My comrade managed to drive out of starch, he was worth a penny.
    In the villages they drove the “Buryachikha" from sugar beets from collective farm fields. It was possible to drink, but in the morning my head split.
    1. sabakina 1 February 2020 08: 43 New
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      Quote: Comrade
      My comrade managed to drive out of starch, he was worth a penny.
      In the villages they drove the “Buryachikha" from sugar beets from collective farm fields. It was possible to drink, but in the morning my head split.
      laughing
    2. Winnie76 1 February 2020 16: 35 New
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      In the villages they drove the “Buryachikha" from sugar beets from collective farm fields. It was possible to drink, but in the morning my head split.

      Now easier. Filter jug ​​to help. A few runs and no smell. Well, cut off the tails without pity. Medium Jet Only
      1. Tersky 1 February 2020 22: 06 New
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        Quote: Winnie76
        Well, cut off the tails without pity.

        Not only the “heads” are the same, for the whole fowl is there. wink
        Quote: Winnie76
        Filter jug ​​to help
        A coal "pillar" is cheaper at times, and just one filter is enough. I give a tooth .. laughing
  • Korsar4 1 February 2020 06: 44 New
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    The numbers are good.
    Just now, even cattle-vitamin flour for cattle has practically ceased to be engaged.

    It's one thing when you eat a young pine growth from the side branches along the road.
    Other - a constant diet.

    Better on the mountain ash with mushrooms.
    And in the Far East, for example, there is where to turn around with other non-wood products.
  • Amateur 1 February 2020 06: 46 New
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    the party leadership instructed scientists to circumvent this topic so that the glorious workers of the village and forestry did not learn how to drive what was good from the needles of moonshine and did not get drunk to death.

    And if I didn’t drive vodka from sawdust,
    What would we have been with five bottles?
    A V.S. Vysotsky party farm asset laid.
    And the most complete wood processing technology was disclosed by I. Ilf and E. Petrov
    “Even from an ordinary stool you can drive moonshine. Some love stools, ”explained Ostap Bender to an American tourist.
  • Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 07: 01 New
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    Drink "Baikal" in the days of the USSR on the basis of the needles extract .. I really liked it! In general, coniferous decoctions (albeit disgusting to taste), but many saved their lives scurvy, etc. The people survived in the camps, and also seaweed, also a store of vitamins, but also muck to taste ..
    1. minus 1 February 2020 08: 00 New
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      The main components of Baikal are licorice, St. John's wort and Eleutherococcus. Although fir essential oil is also present.
      1. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 08: 26 New
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        Quote: Minus
        The main components of Baikal are licorice, St. John's wort and Eleutherococcus. Although fir essential oil is also present.

        Wow, you didn’t know, but I really like it. Especially since the hangover it’s good cold .. If I know that a big booze is planned, I usually put it in the Baikalchik refrigerator .. I advise men! drinks
        1. Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 11: 03 New
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          Quote: Gonduras-m
          I advise men!

          There is no Baikal anywhere. Solid chemistry.
          1. minus 1 February 2020 12: 43 New
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            The last time I drank a normal year was that way in 1998 .. They did it at Pikre in Krasnoyarsk. The composition indicated natural extracts, sugar. Then he disappeared for about a month ... The base number 1, base number two, aspartame sweetener appeared already with the composition .... It became impossible to drink .... Since then I have not seen anything normal, although I do not exclude the possibility of small factories can do. By the way, sometimes you have to go to one small factory. They decided to switch from sweetener multisvit to sugar syrup. It seems to be like a decline in carbonated drinks on sugar substitutes.
            1. Mordvin 3 1 February 2020 12: 55 New
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              Since then, I have not seen anything normal anywhere, although I do not rule out the possibility that they can do it in some small factories.

              I doubt it. It is many times cheaper to breed chemicals than to collect the same St. John's wort and malt.
        2. Storekeeper 1 February 2020 11: 39 New
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          Thanks for the advice, have a father-in-law tomorrow day. I’ll go to the store.
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            I’ll go to the store.

            Useless then. The best cure for a hangover is apple juice. Only byad ... That gang, which is in stores, is made from Chinese concentrate of the lowest quality. Tested by myself. A liter of homemade juice - like a cucumber the next day, under similar circumstances, and three liters of the store did not help. So it is better to swallow charcoal tablets. One tablet for 10 pounds of weight, at least something to clean.
    2. Tersky 1 February 2020 22: 18 New
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      Quote: Gonduras-m
      Drink "Baikal" in the days of the USSR on the basis of pine needles extract.

      He was not in Baikal, he contained fir oil. The flavoring base (extractive part) consisted of St. John's wort, Eleutherococcus, licorice root, natural color and citric acid. And in the aromatic part, the corresponding essential oils were used: eucalyptus, laurel, lemon and fir.
  • parusnik 1 February 2020 07: 45 New
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    Future parties to the conflict have already agreed on a war without nuclear weapons ... laughing
  • Barmaleyka 1 February 2020 07: 45 New
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    Needles for food! How to feed the Russian population in the war
    maybe it’s easier to restore the CX and make it really independent of export, otherwise we’ll remain without Christmas trees
    1. Gonduras-m 1 February 2020 08: 32 New
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      Quote: Barmaleyka
      Needles for food! How to feed the Russian population in the war
      maybe it’s easier to restore the CX and make it really independent of export, otherwise we’ll remain without Christmas trees

      Yes, they seem to have restored food safety with agriculture ... All of their own and even grain export came to the first place, which was not even in the days of the USSR ..
      As I recall the 90s, all the shops are clogged with “bush legs”, huge apples and other vegetables are given away with rubber .. But everything is beautiful and there was no smell even in the shops .. angry
      1. depressant 1 February 2020 11: 34 New
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        Well, how was it restored? The government has already raised the issue of the lack of seed farms. All seeds are purchased. The sanctions for seeds will be announced - then what?
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          Quote: depressant
          Well, how was it restored? The government has already raised the issue of the lack of seed farms. All seeds are purchased. The sanctions for seeds will be announced - then what?

          xs we appeared about 8 years ago. Chet is grown, swarming. Cars are constantly coming. This is in Buryatia.
      2. Barmaleyka 1 February 2020 12: 41 New
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        Yes, it seems, they restored s and food security

        keyword VRODE, seeds imported, hatching egg imported, the technique is also mostly imported, so it’s real
        Quote: Gonduras-m
        All of their own and even in the export of grain came to the first place, which was not even at the time of the USSR ..

        well, enough of this mantra, for the sake of interest, compare the number of livestock in the USSR and the Russian Federation, after you will talk about grain exports and yes, now even fodder grain manages to grind flour, which the USSR did not have
        Quote: Gonduras-m
        ..But everything is beautiful and even the smell was not in the stores ..

        and now the apples in the store smell ?! laughing
  • Thrifty 1 February 2020 07: 53 New
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    Near the Ministry of Health of the country you need to put a small monument, an ordinary Christmas tree branch, she deserves it!
  • And why do you need 1 February 2020 07: 55 New
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    In the subject, reduce the cost of living. The tastier and more affordable pasta. :(
    1. depressant 1 February 2020 11: 37 New
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      So already trying to reduce, read the discussion on other resources. From 11 with something to 10 with a penny. About 900 rubles. The Ministry of Labor answered the okhalniks: "You did not understand anything."
  • sergo1914 1 February 2020 08: 11 New
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    What will happen to the potato now? Uproot?
  • Nikolaevich I 1 February 2020 08: 28 New
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    Oh, and well done Verkhoturov! They drive him through the door, but he crawls through the window on the VO anyway! I was envious of something! Why am I worse? I also want "fame and fame"! I’ll write an article: How to do without toilet paper in a toilet in wartime! "... In any case, there are some" theses ":" If you were in a toilet without toilet paper because of wartime, then at the end of process, not worth it: 1. use pieces of government newspapers with portraits of the president, supreme ruler, chairman, general secretary ... You can get acquainted with the tribunal and the charges of conspiracy! ; 2. It is not recommended to use your finger to transfer the “reason” to the walls of the toilet ... you can get under the article “for damage to state property”! 3. It is recommended to continue sitting and wait until it dries by itself! In any case, you can, with a high degree of probability, wait until the policeman, who is on duty in the toilet, leaves and takes the video camera with you .... then you can use points 1 and 2!
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      You immediately feel the hand of the master bully
  • garri-lin 1 February 2020 08: 36 New
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    Needle alcohol? Is this chin chin?
    1. Nikolaevich I 1 February 2020 09: 02 New
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      Needle alcohol? Is this chin chin?

      Gin is a tincture on juniper ... in Russia, for example, they make "imitations of gin" - tinctures on needles ...
      1. Ros 56 1 February 2020 09: 29 New
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        Well, during the war in the north, if I am not mistaken, they gave infusion of needles from scurvy.
      2. garri-lin 1 February 2020 09: 48 New
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        Yes, that’s understandable. And what will happen if the juniper insists on alcohol prepared from the same juniper as described in the article. Double jin? By the way, 75 degree chacha with young branches of Pitsunda pine is quite original in taste. More cool gin will be.
        1. Ros 56 1 February 2020 09: 54 New
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          Is it possible to pine only from Pitsunda, is Siberian also suitable? laughing lol laughing
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            I tried only from Pitsunda pine. I don’t know about the rest, I need to look. More precisely to try.
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          Quote: garri-lin
          75 degree chacha with young branches of Pitsunda pine is quite original in taste. More cool gin will be.

          Pitsunda pine? Something Gelendzhik blew! Something didn’t come across a chacha with "pine branches" ... but a flavored chacha is familiar! Only such a chacha seemed "not very"!
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            Was Gelendzhik at the mention of Pitsunda? How are they interconnected? Between them hundreds of miles and the state border. Flavored chacha is not a drink but poison. Chemical product. I do not advise to use. Since natural chacha is distilled, that is, the product is lively, you need to give it a taste only with natural products. Spices, herbs, inflorescences, berries, and so on and so forth.
            1. Nikolaevich I 1 February 2020 13: 55 New
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              Quote: garri-lin
              Was Gelendzhik at the mention of Pitsunda? How are they interconnected? Between them hundreds of miles and the state border.

              Quote: garri-lin
              flavored chacha is not a drink but a poison. Chemical product. I do not advise to use. Since natural chacha is distilled, that is, the product is lively, you need to give it a taste only with natural products. Spices, herbs, inflorescences, berries, and so on and so forth.

              Well, well ... I put it, of course, very "simplified" ... "in passing"! And now it turns out that we need to explain ... 1. In Gelendzhik, pizunda pine trees grow ... this is a local attraction. 2. In Gelendzhik a chacha from “barrels” is for sale ... there was a “barberry” and .... some more, I don’t remember! "Flavored" - I was enclosed in quotation marks .... maybe. I did not check: "chemistry" there or natural ingredients ...
              1. garri-lin 1 February 2020 14: 14 New
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                As a resident of the resort area, I can responsibly declare. 90 percent barrel bottling is chemistry. Especially all sorts of blackberry wines, barberry and tincture on the fruits of feijoa. And also wine from figs, dandelions and acacia. Few people sell the remnants of what was made for themselves. In Osnoan basement production for sale.
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                  Quote: garri-lin
                  As a resident of the resort area, I can responsibly declare. 90 percent barrel bottling is chemistry.

                  Thanks for the warning! Let's keep that in mind! By the way, it’s not for nothing that I mentioned that the “barrel” chacha did not suit me! hi
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                    Natural chacha on the palate is essentially good vodka with a strength of 55-80 degrees, with subtle notes of the original product. Grapes, figs, and at least kiwi. The main thing is that smell and taste are very indistinguishable. And the taste at the time of use is not felt, only the aftertaste.
        3. Nikolaevich I 1 February 2020 11: 53 New
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          Double jin

          Actually, gin is a tincture (!) Made on the basis of grain alcohol ... (although I won’t be surprised if they say that at present (!) They use alcohol made from “shit” ...!) By the way, gin was also made in the USSR, but it could be "thrown out" on the trading shelves under the name "Juniper Tincture". drinks
    2. AllBiBek 1 February 2020 10: 29 New
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      No, there the first distillation on the juniper berries is insisted to interrupt the smell, since a very lousy grain, usually beginning to rot, goes to the mash. After insisting, peogone again. This is if you take the original recipe. If even after that this rubbish could not be drunk, then sugar was added. As a result, the Britons still do not understand the tonic jig, they have at the genetic level that if the genie is sweet - at best in the morning there will be the most hellish hangover possible.
    3. Doctor Evil 1 February 2020 11: 32 New
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      Needle alcohol? Is this chin chin?

      He is. Gene Victory is cheap and universally available. We read Orwell's "1984". You can put vending machines in public places. To boost morale, so to speak. Direct analogue of hawthorn tincture.
      1. garri-lin 1 February 2020 13: 14 New
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        Hawthorn vending machines? Idea. And if you also make the first portion of the day free !!!!!! Our demography cried.
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          ,,, yeah, there were such already.
  • nikvic46 1 February 2020 08: 51 New
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    It is always a pleasure to read a non-ordinary-minded person. The phrase "during the war" is alarming. Does anyone know what the war will be like? The world has become cruel. Before the boys of the 50s, they obeyed the rules of fighting. They don’t beat anyone until the first blood. Now they’ve forgotten about it. So that the kid doesn’t get up and put on dust, they beat him together, and even with his feet. Now they talk a lot about the virus in China. And in some newspapers a little panic is heard. And what happens if more serious. Hysteria is the flip side of panic.
    1. AllBiBek 1 February 2020 10: 32 New
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      Malaria, which still takes millions and tens of millions of people a year, looks at this panic around this garbage, and neighs. How I gave it over bird flu, and over pork, and over ebola, and over dengue (remember these? But there was no less hype). WHO is the same political lever as WADA, but basically it’s the same there, serious people are sharing loot.
  • The leader of the Redskins 1 February 2020 08: 59 New
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    Here the article was about yeast ... They say they are the main food. This is what happens, I ate yeast, washed down with coniferous broth and ... But the bottom will not vomit ?!
    1. garri-lin 1 February 2020 09: 50 New
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      Rather, the roof will blow down from such a diet. They walked to Berlin on foot. And on such a diet we can swim to Washington.
    2. AllBiBek 1 February 2020 10: 34 New
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      Well, at the same time, in the first battle you won’t get out of fear, to wash your smelly noses, if it comes to eating pine needles - there’s nothing stupid. And, yes, ash from the burning of this very needles ...
      1. atalef 1 February 2020 10: 37 New
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        to wash smelling socks, if it comes to eating needles - stupidly nothing.

        wink
        1. depressant 1 February 2020 11: 41 New
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          Can you eat coniferous soap?
          1. Golovan Jack 1 February 2020 12: 07 New
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            Quote: depressant
            Can you eat coniferous soap?

            Necessary yes
            1. depressant 1 February 2020 13: 28 New
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              Jack, the scoffer! love
          2. Doctor Evil 1 February 2020 14: 06 New
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            Can you eat coniferous soap?

            Yeah. Melt in a skillet and fry a kilo of yeast. Instead of cutlets.
    3. Storekeeper 1 February 2020 11: 47 New
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      On the contrary, the resin contained in the needles firmly glues the bottom! Articles go in order of use step by step! laughing the main thing is not to break the sequence.
  • Ros 56 1 February 2020 09: 27 New
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    The author, can you imagine how much sugar in the country people threw out of apartments after the New Year. Why not prepared for recycling? Minus to the author.
    1. garri-lin 1 February 2020 09: 51 New
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      A good tone to regale on NG guests home brew prepared from last year's Christmas tree.
  • Livonetc 1 February 2020 09: 31 New
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    Some Russians accused of eating hedgehogs.
    Others conifer needles prophesy prophesy.
    I hope not to live up to the time when they eat biomass from cockroaches and worms.
    1. depressant 1 February 2020 11: 42 New
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      And you, a colleague, are sure that you still do not eat the indicated product, eating sausages?
  • mag nit 1 February 2020 09: 37 New
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    The author experiences everything on himself. This is it from the dung so rushing.
  • Clueless 1 February 2020 09: 54 New
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    Do we really have a hedgehog already?
    1. depressant 1 February 2020 11: 44 New
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      There are pigeons. But they are few, not enough for everyone. In addition, as pigeons are eaten, the birds will become more careful, they will not be easily handed over. Apply slingshots.
  • IL-64 1 February 2020 10: 22 New
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    Survival spruce dream)))
  • demo 1 February 2020 11: 27 New
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    With a humidity of 50% and a sugar content of up to 6,5% (there are some subtleties, which will be discussed below), the sugar reserves in economically accessible needles reached 325 thousand tons, which gives a theoretical yield of 141,2 million liters of absolute alcohol, or 353 million liters of vodka.

    Now seriously.
    If it is possible to obtain alcohol, and even in such quantities, then it is almost ready fuel for ICE.
    Brazil travels and does not blow a mustache.
    Moreover, we have a problem with winter and Arctic diesel fuel.
    And alcohol freezes after 90 degrees.
    This amount of free fuel is very interesting for the economy.
    True excise taxes on fuel will not know how?
    As with alcohol or as with fuel?
    1. depressant 1 February 2020 11: 46 New
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      Demo, you are a joker)) And how to take alcohol, and how with fuel. After a long discussion.
  • Prisoner 1 February 2020 11: 49 New
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    Hurried with the article. Until April 1, two more months. winked "In general, if the possibilities of agriculture were sharply reduced during the war ..." (c) The needles during the war will burn together with all the flora and fauna.
    1. Usher 1 February 2020 12: 15 New
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      Quote: Captive
      Hurried with the article. Until April 1, two more months. winked "In general, if the possibilities of agriculture were sharply reduced during the war ..." (c) The needles during the war will burn together with all the flora and fauna.

      how it burns and grows. And all will not burn, you were in the taiga?
    2. depressant 1 February 2020 12: 21 New
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      Yes, you can summarize. The article is intended to strengthen the love of nature. For it is said: love nature, your mother! Now it’s clear why. What about state food supplies? Something is not heard. And in the USSR they were.
  • Free wind 1 February 2020 12: 07 New
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    The last photo caption: young shoots of needles. What kind of grass is it, needles that give young shoots?
  • Storekeeper 1 February 2020 12: 10 New
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    Laughter but laughter 1. Grandfather said that when they lay in the hospital after being wounded, they were given a decoction of needles and sprouted wheat grains. He tasted disgust for the rest of his life (he died in 96), but ate and drank wanted to recover. 2. Mom in the 70s studied in medicine, they were told about decoctions of needles as a general strengthening tool. 3. Fighters of special units are taught to eat all sorts of nasty things (frogs, worms, etc.) as a means of survival in case of emergency. Why not drink a seagull from pine needles? (As an exception) 4. Dad served in the army for 25 years, he always said "Eat ... You will want to eat" 5 with normal supply, you certainly won’t eat needles, but if you’re impatient, you won’t get anywhere. 6. Needles of any better will be yeast, for me personally.
  • Tycoon 1 February 2020 12: 38 New
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    and moonshine is probably delicious from the needles !!!!! In war, what you need.
  • Operator 1 February 2020 12: 59 New
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    As the level of comments on the article showed, it is not about needles, but about natural selection based on the results of a nuclear war - based on IQ laughing
    1. depressant 1 February 2020 13: 42 New
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      No, the Operator, not based on IQ, but according to physical capabilities. Needles, they will strip off the branches below, pushing me to the side (well, if without injuries), and I can not cut down a tree even with an ax. One can only hope that there are many trees. Yes, and that hope is weak. Well, how do residents come from the regional center? There are a lot of them - more than a hundred thousand. They will devour their city parks, and they will rush into our village - a horde.
      Of course, the respected Author raised a very practical question, but somehow it became sad, even sad. At first she was having a little fun, but in general there is no optimism.
      1. Operator 1 February 2020 13: 50 New
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        Most authors of comments on physical capabilities just have enough wood to cut down for firewood, but there is no longer any mental ability to get food from its needles.

        So the Neanderthals will die out in the process of natural selection with homo sapiens.
      2. wehr 1 February 2020 14: 25 New
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        Here the division of labor helps: men felled pine trees, and women peeled needles from dumped.
        In a war without organization, nothing.
        1. Morzh Redkovich Borschitsky 1 February 2020 20: 43 New
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          No need to bring down pine trees. These are trees, they grow for a long time.

          If wood is really needed, saw off some of the branches.
  • Jurgens 1 February 2020 13: 27 New
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    It is strange that Ambrose our beloved Ambruazovich did not even think of using the muconasal secret (snot, if simple). This is KLONDIKE:
    interferon - launches antiviral mechanisms
    lactoferrin - activates the immune response of body cells
    lysozyme - destroys bacterial cells
    mucin - a protein responsible for viscosity (regulates mineralization processes)
    (that means, the army is already provided with medicines, wu kompren!)

    Well, and for the needs of military production (soon nuclear war, the author of which prophesies it for a year here, then tama, and even tut):
    water - approximately 95% (consider drinking!)
    Proteins - up to 3% (ready bruise, just remember to add yeast)
    fats and nucleic acids - 1% (energy well, taken before the battle using atomic grenades)
    salts, enzymes, etc. - 1% (seasonings for a nyamka)
  • Sapsan136 1 February 2020 13: 43 New
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    From such a brew, everyone with digestive problems will rest as quickly as they would from radiation ... Acid will ruin the digestive organs completely ... That's why they left needles for burenki ... As for alcohol, who prevents you from getting it today and selling it abroad, including as biofuel ... Of course, we need a law that categorically prohibits cutting without sowing cut-down areas by young seedlings ... And then we want to chop a lot of people, there’s no one to plant ...
    1. wehr 1 February 2020 14: 22 New
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      Acid will ruin the digestive system

      Actually, hydrochloric acid splashes in your stomach. laughing
      1. Sapsan136 1 February 2020 21: 37 New
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        You never even had gastritis, not to mention a stomach ulcer ... If you get sick, you’ll understand how stupid you are writing now ... You won’t even be able to eat lemons ... Acid in the stomach and sour food are two different things .. .
    2. Ua3qhp 1 February 2020 14: 37 New
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      "a pine with a diameter of 30 cm at a height of 20 meters will have a trunk volume of 0,66 cubic meters, and the needles will weigh 66 kg. Spruce of the same size will have a trunk volume of 0,68 cubic meters"
      Did the author study at school? Or do I not understand something?
      And so, after reading these two articles, I will not throw out the next New Year tree, it's how much valuable raw materials disappear :-)
      1. wehr 1 February 2020 15: 29 New
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        There are special tables for forest taxation, in which the volume of the trunk with the bark is given in diameter and height. I used these.
        1. Ua3qhp 2 February 2020 08: 33 New
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          There are special tables for forest taxation

          Accepted.
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        The shape of the trunk and, accordingly, the run is different.
  • Alexander X 1 February 2020 14: 23 New
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    Throughout our village, we ask the author to continue a series of articles about the needles. In the next article, we hope that a detailed technology for the home-made extraction of sugar from needles will be published. Well, or at least the technology of preparing needles for use in obtaining mash. After mastering this technology, a milk flask of moonshine was presented to us as a gift from the author.
    1. wehr 1 February 2020 15: 30 New
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      Sure, not a problem! laughing Only I need a kilogram from the heels of winter needles.
      1. Operator 1 February 2020 16: 20 New
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        Dmitry - thanks for the article.

        It would be nice for you to publish a few more similar articles and based on them to publish a brief guide for alarmists with a description of the available technologies for the production of raw materials for yeast protein, the preparation and production of drugs, the preparation of nitrate, charcoal and sulfur for smoke powder, the production of nitrocellulose powder, paper for books and cardboard for cartridge cases, the manufacture of capsules, the construction of furnaces for melting steel, forging metal products, furnaces for the production of ceramic dishes, devices for catching game and fish, looking from scratch, etc.

        Moreover, not only by the simplest technology, but also by a more advanced type of extraction of nutrients from plants with the help of CO2 fluid - not all your readers are good because of engineering, chemistry and biology.
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          It can be done.
        2. Morzh Redkovich Borschitsky 1 February 2020 20: 53 New
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          Quote: Operator
          using CO2 fluid

          But is it possible to recover metals from ores in this way? Say, dissolve CO in it and through carbonyl.
  • 123456789 1 February 2020 14: 26 New
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    I downloaded the book to which the author refers !!!!

    To the cloud laughing
    More milk and less feed am Needles and sawdust.
    And in the pasta prison!
  • Amper 1 February 2020 14: 55 New
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    Is this for preparing to include pine needles in the food basket ....?
  • Monster_Fat 1 February 2020 14: 56 New
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    The author is great, he needs to contact the Chinese, they utilize absolutely everything for food and other household purposes. I myself saw how the Chinese on concession lands in Africa and Latin America cut off all the vegetation, along with grass, turf and roots, and all this is processed and exported to China, along with a cut fertile layer of soil. Remains after them a desert where nothing, in general, grows.
    1. mmaxx 1 February 2020 16: 14 New
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      Our civilized “brothers” Czechs did exactly the same thing when, under socialism, they were allocated plots for forestry in the taiga. They even exported turf. And kick.
  • Knell wardenheart 1 February 2020 15: 42 New
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    Thank you for your valuable information! Without any irony.
  • Operator 1 February 2020 16: 05 New
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    Subcritical - ultrapure substances yield

    Exactly the opposite.
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    I wish the aphthar to eat one needle)).
  • Alexander X 1 February 2020 16: 54 New
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    Sure, not a problem! laughing Only I need a kilogram from the heels of winter needles.

    No problem! Come to us - we will provide access to conifers. Tver region - environmentally friendly needles.
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  • Esaul 1 February 2020 21: 56 New
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    And how much in the earth you can find edible if you dig around - worms, larvae, etc. The main thing is not to talk about this with the government, otherwise they will decide that the people will be fattening and introduce a tax on worms!
  • Grim Reaper 1 February 2020 23: 39 New
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    I am tormented by vague suspicions that these articles are preparing us for something.
    1. Monster_Fat 2 February 2020 06: 32 New
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      Yes, a logical chain is built up: 1-they allowed to collect fallen trees (namely, fallen trees, without mechanical devices, such as saws, etc.), 2-they allowed hunting with onions, now about the benefits of needles and wood for food purposes .... and what, everyone knows how rabbits eat bark in the famine ... I expect an article from the author about the “healthy” protein and the necessary minerals extracted from “easily cultivated” and rapidly growing maggots .... yes
  • stepka_razin 2 February 2020 07: 24 New
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    So at first suggested by yeast, now by the needles ...
    In the RIA, it’s generally written that we will soon be using locust shell supplements (https://ria.ru/20190722/1556749979.html)
    Something I don't like about your rhetoric
    1. Grim Reaper 2 February 2020 07: 56 New
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      For a long time crap extracted from aphids has been used from food coloring.
      1. agond 2 February 2020 10: 14 New
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        Needles can not be used for vitamin deficiency, there will be poisoning with nitrogenous substances and high mortality from such treatment, tested in humans.
  • Fishery 2 February 2020 18: 29 New
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    the main thing is that the deputies do not read))))
  • Finn 3 February 2020 23: 48 New
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    I made coffee from dandelion roots. Looks like coffee.
  • Alexey Levashov 4 February 2020 00: 26 New
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    The article is very informative. Some comments are surprising. Dear readers, you can’t be so ironic. Although your irony is clear to me. If you fall ill, immediately run to the pharmacy for a miracle pill. And there are so many of them that my eyes run wide. Now about life: In school, we went to the collective farm to harvest lapnik. Felled ate harvested carts. By the way, big trunks fell down with the Friendship saw (she does not need gasoline). The Christmas tree on the collective farm was used as an additive in cowsheds. A few years later he went on an expedition to the Transbaikalia. I saw an abandoned prison camp. There was a spruce shop, it was so written. In the nineties, my wife and I had three children. For many years, instead of tea, the family drank only a spruce drink. Children were not sick, immunity was quite high. It’s impossible for me to fight with the monsters of pharmaceuticals. But in my life I have experienced the meaning of a Christmas tree. And you are ironic, going to the pharmacy for medicines.
  • Grandfather Crimea 4 February 2020 13: 12 New
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    The article is good, each of them will take something - someone for rejuvenation, someone for a joke on others (laughter prolongs life))))))))), someone will stir up the moonshine. .... But all the same, drug addicts went farthest than anyone else. Why didn’t they just get the poor fellow out))))))))) from seemingly ordinary things)))))
  • vvkroxa 5 February 2020 16: 04 New
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    The average number of trees per hectare is 2,5 thousand pieces ....... ... If my memory serves me right, then a hectare is 10000 square meters. meters. According to the author’s calculations, 4 square meters per tree meter. Almost like potatoes grow. You can not read further.
  • sinoptic 5 February 2020 18: 09 New
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    What's so bad?
    War is coming soon?
    Once such publications have gone.
  • paco.soto 6 February 2020 22: 40 New
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    With a smile: the article seemed not interesting to me, but! the discussion is simply excellent and positively human. No politicians and stupidities. More often - it would be so fun to read IN!
  • alexey alexeyev_2 8 February 2020 21: 03 New
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    All the same, God is for Russia .. (although he himself was baptized, he is not firmly convinced) ...