Angara: neither the key to saving the industry, nor the “workhorse”

Angara: neither the key to saving the industry, nor the “workhorse”
Photo: Allocer, wikimedia.org


A future that has not arrived


The Angara launch vehicle was to become a kind of "Superjet" from the world of rockets: the first new carrier built by Russia since the collapse of the Union. This is not a new development (the rocket began to be created back in the 90s), however it was it that was intended to show that the Russian space industry is not only living, but also developing.

Both the average Soyuz and the heavy Proton-M are all offspring of the times of the USSR, and the Soyuz is nothing but a profound modification of the Soviet “seven” - the first in stories intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) R-7, adopted as early as the 60th. Well, the Soviet ICBM UR-500 formed the basis of the Proton. Having developed a number of successful missiles, including Zenit, Yuzhnoye Design Bureau remained in Ukraine. The park needed to be updated.

In addition to obsolescence, purely practical difficulties made themselves felt. The fact is that the Proton-M, which was once popular with customers, uses toxic asymmetric dimethylhydrazine or heptyl as fuel, which Kazakhstan really dislikes, on whose territory Baikonur Cosmodrome is located, from where these Protons are launched.


At first, the heavy Angara A5 was seen as a worthy replacement for this medium: at the time of the start of work on a new missile, few could suspect that a heavy Falcon 9 would appear with a launch price of around $ 60 million: that is, even less than that of Proton-M ". Unfortunately, the cost of launching the A5 turned out to be about twice as high as the start price of the Soviet heavy rocket: we had to forget about the struggle for the market with SpaceX.

Two starts


Previously, the Angara was seen as a wide universal family of missiles that can replace almost all Russian carriers. Over time, it became clear that the notorious "modularity" was too expensive and the number of projects was limited. The functions of the “Union” should be taken over by the promising “Union-5” (aka “Phoenix, aka“ Irtysh ”). “In our light class, the unit is Angara, the middle class is Soyuz-5, the heavy class is Angara-A5, and the heavy class is Angara-A5V,” said the head of Roskosmos Dmitry in 2019 Rogozin. There is still a superheavy Yenisei, but this is a separate topic for discussion: it is not a fact that we will ever see it at all.

By the way, there are no "ones" either. Only the aforementioned "Hangar A5" is more or less brought to working condition, but there is one problem that is already difficult to keep quiet. The fact is that the replacement of "Proton" performed only 1 (one) launch: it was held on December 23, 2014. Since then, the start of the Angara has not been: neither heavy, nor any else. Taking into account the very first test launch of Angara-1.2PP, it turns out that all representatives of the family have two launches.


In general, the public has long come to terms with the fact that the new rocket will not be the key to saving the industry, but after improvements it will become the “workhorse” of the Russian space industry. It seems to have failed.

Hard times


In recent months, the Angara have been hit several times at once (however, experts predicted them earlier). In October last year, it became known that the test launch of the new Russian Angara-A5 heavy rocket from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region was postponed from late 2019 to 2020. As one of the sources explained then, they did not have time to physically prepare the rocket for launch before the end of the year.

And on January 15, RIA "News”Reported that the Russian space department refused to use the new Angara-A5 rocket to launch the Express-AMU4 satellite, preferring the proven Proton-M. Recall, in October last year, the general director of the Cosmic Communications enterprise, Yuri Prokhorov, stated that they wanted to launch the Express with numbers AMU3, AMU7 and AMU4 precisely with the help of Angara-A5. Now these plans are in the past.


Photo: Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation

And what about the light Angara-1.2? On November 2019, 2021, RIA Novosti announced the termination of the contract for the production of this type of rocket, which they wanted to use to launch the Gonets spacecraft. Now, in XNUMX, the Union will have to launch them. Not the best start for this version of the carrier, especially given the very high competition in this segment of missiles.

It is worth adding that the previously announced launch of the South Korean satellite using the Angara-1.2 missile was postponed from 2020 to 2021, citing, however, the problems of Koreans. “We have one contract for the supply of Angara-1.2 to South Korea. It is being manufactured now, but they have their own payload difficulties, so for now the launch has been shifting a little since 2020, ”said the Director General of the Center named after M.V. in March last year. Khrunicheva Alexey Varochko.

A spoon of honey


In general, the “Angara” unnecessary for solving the “peaceful” tasks in the current realities may be of interest only to the Ministry of Defense, which is confirmed by the latest information. On January 15, TASS announced that Roscosmos would supply the Ministry of Defense with two missiles of this type in 2020. “The first Anagara heavy launch vehicle in 2020 will be delivered to the customer before the end of the first quarter. The second should be delivered before the end of the year, ”said a representative of the state corporation. “There is tight control over the manufacture of the first Angara launch vehicles this year, as well as their transfer to the customer - the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation,” the Russian Space Agency said.

Prior to the reconstruction, the Polet enterprise plans to produce annually two heavy Angara-A5 and one Angara-A1.2 light rocket. At the same time, it is obvious that they will continue to remove part of the load in the interests of the Ministry of Defense using old Soviet carriers. In general, so far the plans for the production of the Angara look too optimistic, but do not forget that the rocket is still at the testing stage ...

What about the next start? “Next year we plan to resume launches of the Angara launch vehicle, the missile will be handed over by the Khrunichev Center in the first quarter of 2020,” the Roskosmos message announced in December 2019 said.


As you can see, everything that does not concern the interests of the Moscow Region exists in a more than vague form. On the other hand, the Ministry of Defense also knows how to count money: it must be assumed that it would gladly prefer a less expensive and more proven medium.

By virtue of this, there is a feeling that the program keeps afloat only a decisive (possibly premature) rejection of Proton-M. Recall that in June 2018, Dmitry Rogozin set a specific task: to stop the production of “Protons” after fulfilling the contracts and to use only “Angara” in the future. For example, in December they stopped producing engines for the first stage of the Soviet missile - we are talking about RD-276 units.

In addition, do not forget what funds have already been spent on a new medium, as well as the fact that Russia does not have a more or less modern analogue and will not have it in the foreseeable future. So, we are waiting for new test plans for the Angara rocket ...
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  1. Vasily Ponomarev 4 February 2020 06: 22 New
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    sorry for the rocket, it was not bad at the time of development, but now much has changed, reusability is marching around the planet
    1. Izotovp 4 February 2020 07: 30 New
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      Already in the 91st, she was at the Department of Booster Engines in all projections! In what place is it new ?! It was not destiny to gash the replacement Zenith and fly on modular Energy ?! Very similar to sabotage, drank dough and dirty undercover games.
      1. Doctor 4 February 2020 10: 48 New
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        It’s not fate to gash a replacement for Zenit and fly on modular Energy ?!

        And what about Energy with efficiency?
        1. Izotovp 4 February 2020 12: 13 New
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          With economy, she had that the rocket itself, and the tables, and the staff - everything was already ready.
          1. Doctor 4 February 2020 12: 58 New
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            With economy, she had that the rocket itself, and the tables, and the staff - everything was already ready.

            Clear. But still in terms of competitiveness. How much would it cost to take a kilogram of cargo into orbit compared to the Hangar, Protons, the Union and the Mask? Ultimately, it will be the key.
            1. Izotovp 4 February 2020 13: 04 New
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              Now, with all due respect to you, there’s simply no time to look for these numbers. When I was studying, we didn’t give such comparisons. We studied the design, operation features and the like more.
              1. Lexus 4 February 2020 19: 28 New
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                Here, less than a week ago, I was just writing about the "suffering" of the "Angara" and the throwing of ROSKOSMOS. A flurry of grunts sputtered and furiously minus. And now, my fears were fully confirmed, alas ... It’s cheaper to buy out the Mask along with its debts and mortgages, than to contain the Rogozin “trampoline” management.
                1. astepanov 10 February 2020 17: 45 New
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                  With all my paranoid disrespect for Rogozin, I note that the problems with the space program began with us not two years ago, when Rogozin was attached to the steering wheel. You will see: they will also make a "scapegoat" out of it. It seems that there are systemic problems regarding the general attitude of the state towards technologically complex industries: it is believed there that it is enough to put your own, give him a fake doctorate, powers and dibs, and everything will be ruined. But it doesn’t come out: you also need to understand the matter, be a fanatic, love the matter and be able to defend the interests of the case, not the skins and the wallet.
      2. Tcheluskin 4 February 2020 22: 29 New
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        It’s not fate to gash a replacement for Zenit and fly on modular Energy ?!

        So Soyuz-5 is the improved Zenith, with a low-orbit launch, depending on the launch site, up to 17 tons (and after the development of methane engines and 20+ tons), and with a modular superheavy version of 3-5 blocks.
      3. Aleksey60 4 February 2020 22: 43 New
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        Do not tell tales.
    2. arkadiyssk 4 February 2020 14: 37 New
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      It was not bad when it was supposed to have a hydrogen booster unit - KVTK. Strange, but not a word about him in the article. It’s not about the fact that the unfortunate hydrogen generator has been sawing for more than 10 years, they are postponing the deadlines and now it will only be by 2027. Without the CTWC, the energy of the Angara is worse than the ancient Proton.
      1. Izotovp 4 February 2020 20: 08 New
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        We have cryogenics transferred ?! Have reached ((
      2. Mityay65 5 February 2020 22: 41 New
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        Quote: arkadiyssk
        Without the CTWC, the energy of the Angara is worse than the ancient Proton.

        I wonder what you mean?
  2. Hakka 4 February 2020 07: 34 New
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    According to patriot Dmitry Konanykhin rocket
  3. Mityay65 4 February 2020 07: 50 New
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    As you can see, everything that does not concern the interests of the Moscow Region exists in a more than vague form. On the other hand, the Ministry of Defense also knows how to count money: we must assume that it would gladly prefer a less expensive and more proven carrier

    As always, they forgot to mention that the development of the Angara was funded by the Moscow Region and, above all, in the interests of Moscow Region. What does Roskosmos have to do with it? Roscosmos just complains that the Moscow Region is disrupting the financing of the launch complex near the Angara in the East.
    1. abrakadabre 4 February 2020 08: 05 New
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      Roscosmos just complains that the Moscow Region is disrupting the financing of the launch complex near the Angara in the East.
      Yeah, after looting, there is not enough money for the actual construction. If you shoot someone there, and with confiscation right up to middle kinship, there will suddenly be enough for the launch complex, and much more.
  4. Vladimir_2U 4 February 2020 08: 19 New
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    In general, to the full payback of space as to the moon on skis in reverse, at least for today's Russia.
    1. God save the king 4 February 2020 10: 32 New
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      But who needs this payback, if it is much easier to cut the state budget ??
      1. Vladimir_2U 4 February 2020 10: 43 New
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        The meaning of my comment is simple and has already been described, in general, “In order to earn a lot, you have to invest a lot”, and this is the problem for present-day Russia, so far anyway.
        1. God save the king 4 February 2020 11: 25 New
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          To earn a lot, you must first decide who needs it, decide on priorities.
  5. The little wink 4 February 2020 08: 20 New
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    Yes, it’s interesting now to read materials and a discussion of 6-7 years ago on the Mask and his reusable pasta monsters, and the prospects of his brainchild in comparison with the brainchild of Rogozin offices.
    1. Vasily Ponomarev 4 February 2020 08: 29 New
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      https://topwar.ru/112360-kompaniya-spacex-zayavila-o-revolyucii-v-kosmicheskoy-industrii.html например вот здесь можно,смотрите не умрите со смеху
      1. The little wink 4 February 2020 10: 57 New
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        Quote: Vasily Ponomarev
        https://topwar.ru/112360-kompaniya-spacex-zayavila-o-revolyucii-v-kosmicheskoy-industrii.html например вот здесь можно,смотрите не умрите со смеху

        Not this 2017, in this discussion there were only especially stubborn critics of the Mask, I remember the discussions for the earlier years of 2013-14 and even earlier, there epic spears broke pros and cons.
        1. Mathafaka 4 February 2020 12: 05 New
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          https://topwar.ru/88375-proekt-falcon-9-uspeshnaya-posadka-pervoy-stupeni-i-perspektivy-rynka.html
          1. Pontiffsulyvahn 5 February 2020 15: 24 New
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            It's funny to read. And their rockets will not fly the second time and nothing can be lifted into heavy orbit. Time has shown that all skeptics were mistaken.
        2. Mathafaka 4 February 2020 12: 06 New
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          Here you are for 2015
        3. The comment was deleted.
    2. donavi49 4 February 2020 09: 08 New
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      By the way, even Beck and his baby Elektron work in two directions:
      1) Photon. Unique offer in this class. A full-fledged bus / exit / reference stage for cubsats. 170kg can be sent to the orbit of the moon. Launch through one (in March-April).


      2) A package of improvements to the return stage. For the second launch (and the first one this year for the company), the rocket simulated a return, and the second time Beck writes that everything is fine:
      Initial Stage 1 reentry data review shows consistent trajectory with the previous flight. We hit the wall, roll along the z axis then come out the other side. Good telemetry all the way to sea impact with a stage in once piece again.

      The first experiments with landing the end of the 20th - the beginning of the 21st stage. And this is about a small rocket, for the output of cubes and small satellites.
    3. Snusmumrik 4 February 2020 10: 21 New
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      Can not argue with that...
  6. rocket757 4 February 2020 08: 24 New
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    A sad story and no end in sight ... but it would be necessary to come to some kind of final result.
  7. kit88 4 February 2020 08: 35 New
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    Does anyone have any idea why, 60 years ago, in a short time after the most difficult war, the Soviet Union was able to create rockets for flights to the orbit of the Earth and the Moon. And now, when the deadlines are not pushing, a lot of money, 60 years of experience are behind us, computers are counting, we are flying on the modernized Seven and can’t create our own? Well, Sergey Pavlovich does not see anything of this.
    1. alma 4 February 2020 08: 51 New
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      Quote: kit88
      Does anyone have any thoughts?

      What is there to think? Then, people were responsible for their shoals (by position, term, property, life) And now all officials have "immunity"
      1. Mathafaka 4 February 2020 12: 00 New
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        Do you think the Chekists will decide everything?
        This does not happen. Then there were Korolev, Glushko, etc.
        Now there are none.
        1. Bad_gr 4 February 2020 13: 29 New
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          Quote: Mathafaka
          Then there were Korolev, Glushko, etc.

          Now in their place are managers (with the formation of a journalist, lawyer, etc.)
      2. Tochilka 4 February 2020 23: 14 New
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        I definitely do not understand why they instructed cons for the commentary? good and faithful!
        1. Bad_gr 5 February 2020 00: 22 New
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          Quote: Tochilka
          I definitely do not understand why they instructed cons for the commentary? good and faithful!

          The logic of some appraisers is difficult to trace. Well, when you express your opinion and get a minus - here it is clear, someone does not agree. And when you bring the facts and give a link from where it is taken and get a minus - what is there to think?
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    2. U-58 4 February 2020 09: 50 New
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      There are thoughts.
      More precisely, a bitter practice.
      Bureaucracy, which was issued as strict observance of standards, both technical and financial, swept both Roscosmos and NASA.
      But beyond the sea-okiyan there were sober pragmatic heads who found the initiative Mask and freed him from the multi-ton
      and many months of waste routine, from all kinds of approvals and reconciliations, from the notorious hearings before the "congressional commission" regarding financial, technical and other violations.
      Therefore, it works on the principle: what guys do!
      And, I understand, I’ll do it tomorrow.
      1. sevryuk 5 February 2020 18: 41 New
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        paid from the Pentagon ...
    3. kapitan281271 4 February 2020 10: 32 New
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      Quote: kit88
      Does anyone have any idea why, 60 years ago, in a short time after the most difficult war, the Soviet Union was able to create rockets for flights to the orbit of the Earth and the Moon. And now, when the deadlines are not pushing, a lot of money, 60 years of experience are behind us, computers are counting, we are flying on the modernized Seven and can’t create our own? Well, Sergey Pavlovich does not see anything of this.

      Though somewhat off topic, but still ,,,,,,,,, I watched somehow the interview, very short, of Arkhip Lyulka’s wife, he was then engaged in double-circuit and didn’t go for half a year already, he was called up to the Politburo, I mean, he returned to the Central Committee, after a report four hours later, went in, took off his hat, and she looks at him gray-haired. WHO OF THESE DOGS AT LEAST RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOMETHING, WHO WAS ASKED FROM THESE FREEDOMS SO WHAT WAS sat, here's the answer !!!!!!! hi
    4. Mathafaka 4 February 2020 11: 58 New
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      Resources were different and funding too.
    5. eklmn 4 February 2020 21: 42 New
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      “And now, when the deadlines are not pushing, a lot of money, 60 years of experience are behind us, computers are counting, we are flying on the modernized Seven and Can’t we create our own?
      The culmins left ...
      1. kit88 4 February 2020 22: 26 New
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        But the designers remained. laughing
    6. Alexander Gennadievich 5 March 2020 20: 27 New
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      There are thoughts. Decline, if it occurs, is in everything. It's all about people, but they are no longer the same. And with each generation - worse. Again, it is necessary to educate Man from the cradle, but no one needs it.
  8. Hog
    Hog 4 February 2020 09: 05 New
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    I had nothing to do, I read old articles about Roscosmos or Space X, it’s so interesting especially how they proved that the Mask will not work, but Rogozin will do everything)))
  9. Maks1995 4 February 2020 09: 06 New
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    Yes, that's right.
    And remember, just 2 years ago they laughed at Mask, and proudly announced new types of our missiles ???

    And now it’s in one place, the tractor nucleus to 25mu .., and now to the 30th year ...
    then elsewhere super engines on a 3D printer ....
  10. Brancodd 4 February 2020 09: 16 New
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    And what, in fact, does the title of the article contain? Everything is lost? The cost of launches is not yet known. Depends on the series. The project shifts in terms of timing are caused by insufficient funding at different stages, the difficult situation in Khrunichev and, as a result, the transfer of production to Omsk. While still hair on the head is too early to tear.
  11. shinobi 4 February 2020 09: 20 New
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    They love gloomy articles recently in VO. The reason for the suspension, not closure, of the Angara program lies in a different field. Launched in the Sarmat launch vehicle series. Re-equipment has begun. The hangar is simple no need.
    1. Genry 4 February 2020 11: 31 New
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      Quote: shinobi
      The next 5 years in a light hangar is simply not necessary.

      Light Angara is already retired. There is some kind of Union, with a gas engine.
      A heavy Angara can only produce test launches from Plesetsk (far from the Equator) - for commercial launches they are building the second phase on Vostochny (construction began in 2019).
      1. shinobi 4 February 2020 15: 05 New
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        Hand on heart, there is simply no work for a heavy hangar. As it turned out for the Union in Energy.
        1. Topgun 5 February 2020 15: 58 New
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          what the hell? am there was no work for Energy because the union fell apart !!!! Energy, Buran and other achievements of a highly developed civilization became unnecessary ...
          1. shinobi 7 February 2020 13: 14 New
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            Okstitsya sir. We’ll launch protons half empty, and here we’ll get 120 tons. Without a long-term program for exploring the moon and Mars, we and the Yankees don’t have money for this, who needs the heavy goods?
  12. Domestic cat 4 February 2020 09: 31 New
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    Quote: kit88
    Does anyone have any idea why, 60 years ago, in a short time after the most difficult war, the Soviet Union was able to create rockets for flights to the orbit of the Earth and the Moon. And now, when the deadlines are not pushing, a lot of money, 60 years of experience are behind us, computers are counting, we are flying on the modernized Seven and can’t create our own? Well, Sergey Pavlovich does not see anything of this.

    Previously, they could not even dream of plundering such money, and the level of training of the necessary specialists speaks for itself. Killed education at different levels and lack of ideology. The construction of the missiles was done by the designer, and now a journalist.
  13. mag nit 4 February 2020 09: 35 New
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    It is necessary to listen to the opinion of experts, and not to the opinion of impostors, "experts."
  14. Goldmoskit 4 February 2020 09: 36 New
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    All this is n .... well and provocation. In 2016, at Omsk Flight, more than 1000 workers were dispersed, and in 2018 they began to recruit and announced the complete transfer of Angara production to Omsk. And in 2019 there was information that "Flight" does not have time to fulfill the production plan due to a shortage of workers and specialists.
    So make conclusions about planning in Roskosmos.
  15. G. Georgiev 4 February 2020 09: 39 New
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    I did not understand why the powerful Energia modular launch vehicle, which can carry more than 100 tons of cargo, was thrown.
    1. albert 4 February 2020 19: 06 New
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      And in the option Energy-Volcano twice as much. yes
  16. U-58 4 February 2020 09: 40 New
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    That's just the fact that Rogozin "gives out debts" to those who supported his candidacy for the post of head of the collective farm Varochko and Arbuzov.
    In addition to the Angara does not want to know anything.
    The topic of the Unions 5/6/7 was almost imputed to him by Deputy Prime Minister Borisov.
    And if the chair near Rogozin, staggering, collapses, then the tasks of Roscosmos can dramatically change.
    And not in favor of the Angara.
  17. Pavel Fedorov 4 February 2020 11: 04 New
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    In general, the judo-liberals joyfully rub their hands, the shekels work out well ...
  18. Jurkovs 4 February 2020 11: 08 New
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    Auto RU. Hangars-A5 have long been gone. All that is being said now concerns Angara-A5M. After not fulfilling the technical specifications during the first launch, a product modernization project was developed and it is this modification that is being prepared for flight. It is characterized by reduced dry weight, modernized RD-191M engines with increased thrust of about 3% due to a further increase in pressure in the chamber, and some other improvements to the product. Whatever they say in QiH, this is actually a completely different rocket and all tests must be started all over again. Not in favor of the Angara-A5M and the newly developed polemic between TsiHom and Energy. Experts have calculated the replacement of the second kerosene stage of Soyuz-5 with methane in the same geometric dimensions. The higher thrust of the RD-171MV in the first stage, the higher methane energy in the second, the use of advanced design solutions in the form of combined tank bottoms of this stage allows such Union-5 to remove 23 tons of NOO cargo. This is slightly smaller than Proton, but equal to what Angara-A5 did in its first launch. These experts argue that if the methane engine was developed, the Angara family would not be needed at all. These are the things.
    1. Mityay65 4 February 2020 12: 06 New
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      Quote: Jurkovs
      The higher thrust of the RD-171MV in the first stage, the higher methane energy in the second, the use of advanced design solutions in the form of combined tank bottoms of this stage allows such Union-5 to remove 23 tons of NOO cargo.

      It sounds very implausible. Are there any confirmations / links?
    2. Ocelot 4 February 2020 13: 02 New
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      Methane for Soyuz-5 is probably interesting, they just don’t have time to do this before 2025 (the end of Proton flights), it’s good if the S-5 kerosene engine is done by the promised 2023 (there are doubts). We'll have to finish A5 (not 5M) before the series. Time is running out. sad
  19. Romka 4 February 2020 12: 07 New
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    I remember in the first grade at the matinee, I had a poem and it began like this: "Work is in full swing over the Yenisei over the Angara ...". Prophetic words turned out to be wink
  20. Operator 4 February 2020 12: 21 New
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    If you develop a methane engine, the Angara family will not need to be

    Moreover: the combination of methane + oxygen + composite makes it possible to create a cheap disposable single-stage rocket with supercritical heterogeneous fuel, a displacement feeding scheme and an uncooled engine made of carbon-carbon material with a ceramic coating.

    Then you can forget about copy-paste Mask forever.
    1. vadimtt 6 February 2020 07: 28 New
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      It is interesting to know how a nozzle with variable geometry with high surface quality will be realized on such a rocket. And yes, a multi-mode gas generator and a controlled nozzle can do with one step. But will the removal of one or two engines cover the cost of a new multi-mode engine (and in general, what is the probability of its creation, given the not very successful work on the external expansion nozzle)?
      1. Operator 6 February 2020 13: 35 New
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        You probably meant an “uncooled nozzle with a retractable nozzle” - it has already been implemented on solid-fuel rockets with a gas displacement in the nozzle from the combustion chamber (it is also a solid propellant rocket engine under pressure up to 150 atmospheres).
        1. vadimtt 6 February 2020 14: 35 New
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          No, something like that -
          1. Operator 6 February 2020 15: 42 New
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            This is an external gas expansion nozzle, in which the efficiency of converting gas energy into jet thrust is lower than that of a Laval nozzle with internal gas expansion.
            1. vadimtt 6 February 2020 21: 45 New
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              They say that the integral efficiency over the entire flight altitude is higher than that of a classic nozzle optimized for a narrow range, which is what is needed on a single-stage rocket. But there are many problems, breakthroughs are needed. This is all very sad hi
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                The problem of reducing efficiency depending on the flight altitude of the Laval nozzle is, but it is solved by a retractable nozzle.
  21. The Siberian barber 4 February 2020 13: 45 New
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    Everything that happens around this rocket, and in general, in the industry, is very reminiscent of sabotage: for a long time to "saw" the rocket, build a launch under it, and then announce that it is not needed ..
    1. karabass 4 February 2020 17: 58 New
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      what a sabotage! How much did they build the Crimean bridge? And the smart people in Volgograd built a bridge over the Volga and got their small salary for 21 years! For that, from 8 to 5 as white people, and in Crimea they paid more but worked 12 hours a day, seven days a week
  22. Lontus 4 February 2020 15: 10 New
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    Having developed a number of successful missiles, including Zenit, Yuzhnoye Design Bureau remained in Ukraine. The park needed to be updated.

    And what about the zenith of the successful?
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      Fully automatic start preparation
      Two steps.
      Simple arrangement of elements in one line, without sidewalls.
      Using a high specific impulse engine.

      In “Falcon-9” very much resembles Zenith (two steps, layout), and “Irtysh” will actually be redrawn from Zenith.
  23. Narak-zempo 4 February 2020 15: 17 New
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    For example, in December they stopped producing engines for the first stage of the Soviet rocket - we are talking about RD-276 units

    - At what stage is the fight against alcoholism?
    - Successfully completed the first stage: eliminated the snack!
  24. Falcon5555 4 February 2020 15: 52 New
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    The entire hangar program cost 110 billion rubles. And the olympiad alone is 1.5 trillion. But was it needed at all - especially considering the subsequent doping catastrophe? And there was football ...
  25. 1536 4 February 2020 16: 35 New
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    Mankind will have to go through a long and tedious stage of the gradual development of space technology into something new, a breakthrough. It was the same, for example, with a sailing fleet, when for centuries sailing ships of all stripes sailed across the seas and oceans, and then in the middle of the 60th century they were gradually replaced by ships equipped with a steam engine, then various engines capable of rotating the propeller. In fact, even ships with a nuclear power plant did not become breakthrough in comparison with the replacement of sails with various kinds of power units. In the space industry, there was hope for a breakthrough when the Americans made the Shuttle, and we Buran, but, alas, these projects came up against the high cost, disproportionate to the tasks of putting the payload into orbits. Thus, the space "sailboats" of the 3s of the XX century have remained an unsurpassed means of exploration of outer space. And a breakthrough will be outlined only when fundamental science can offer something such that this breakthrough will determine. Either it will be the latest materials that can only be mined in outer space, for example, helium on the moon, or new types of engines, for example, a safe atomic engine that allows a spaceship to move in space indefinitely for a long time at the appropriate speed. So far this is not the case, and science is only concerned with the fact that, through its representatives, it is engaged in the exchange of best practices in a particular area, using the Internet and information technology as well as possible. In this regard, it is necessary to understand that today the exploration of the Cosmos or near-Earth space will only consist in supporting the Earth’s infrastructure or observing space objects without experiencing opposition from the Earth’s atmosphere.
  26. honest people 4 February 2020 17: 14 New
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    Quote: Hog
    I had nothing to do, I read old articles about Roscosmos or Space X, it’s so interesting especially how they proved that the Mask will not work, but Rogozin will do everything)))

    Urya patriots they are yes
    SpaceX operating results for December 2019 SpaceX operating results for December 2019

    - Launch of the mission to the ISS - SpaceX CRS-19
    - Launch of the JCSAT-18 / Kacific-1 satellite
    - SpaceX completed the 10th successful test of the upgraded Mark 3 parachutes of the Crew Dragon
    - Progress at the assembly site in Boca Chica, Texas
    - Dismantling Starship Mk1 in Boca Chica
    - Progress of SpaceX Launch Complex for Starship on LC-39A
    - The platform Just Read the Instructions arrived at the port of Canaveral with cargo: large engines and equipment for them
    - SpaceX immediately won 2 awards of the reputable publication SpaceNews for Starhopper and Starlink
    - Folding supports for the Falcon 9 B1059 and B1056 in the port of Canaveral
    - Tesla Cybertruck will be a payload for the Starship mission
    - Go GO Discovery ship with equipment and parts for the Starship prototype
    - Kepler Communications contract for two satellite launches to group them
    - SpaceX is about to open two additional test benches for Raptor engines at McGregor, Texas
    - The first Raptor herringbone engine became the 17th assembled by SpaceX
    - A new record in time between launches from one site (SLC-40 - CRS-19 / JCSat-18 / Kacific1) - 11 days 6 hours
    - 30th successful landing of the 1st stage on a floating platform (CRS19)
    - More than 13,5 tons of cargo put into orbit (400 tons for all time)
    - New nomenclature for Starship flying prototypes - SN #
  27. remal 4 February 2020 17: 38 New
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    Because of this, there is a feeling that the program is kept afloat only by a decisive (possibly premature) rejection of Proton-M.

    Proton - a product of the defense industry has been and remains. If the enterprises manufacturing it go bankrupt, then Sarmat will not fly away. Regarding the Angara, it is constantly repeated that the military needs it. In fact, the contract for Angara 1.2 was handed over to the "Unions", the military just considers the money. Which, incidentally, confirms the incorrect decision to close the production of NK-33 and the transition of unions to RD-191. The hangar can be part of the lunar program, only this program is not, there is some kind of parody of what the Americans are doing, with a guaranteed losing result.
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      Which, incidentally, confirms the incorrect decision to close the production of NK-33 and the transition of unions to RD-191.

      So after all, this engine has not been produced since the close of the Lunar program, and on modern missiles only stock from stock was used. It was planned to resume their production in 2013, but then changed their minds.
  28. L-39NG 4 February 2020 18: 58 New
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    Conversations are conversations, and you know how to make stickers, although the layouts of the equipment are excellent, maybe from my friend in the company or, maybe, they bought from the Chinese. Maybe stickers.
  29. Ocelot 4 February 2020 19: 46 New
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    Quote: remal
    to close the production of NK-33 and the transition of unions to RD-191

    So NK-33 was not produced in the post-Soviet era. As for the transition of Soyuz-2.1v to RD-193, it is not a fact that it will take place at all.
  30. senima56 4 February 2020 21: 36 New
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    If the Angara project is such a crap, it means that the space industry has either fools () or enemies of the people! Neither one nor the other has a place in our space industry.
    1. L-39NG 4 February 2020 23: 05 New
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      Enemies of the people, enemies of the people, and suddenly there are no smart people left, all smart ones were enemies, and they were either destroyed or dispersed. And with the help of a sickle and a hammer, science cannot be moved.
  31. Lad
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    For some reason, everyone believes that in order to break the deadlock, they must shoot and plant everyone. And how many people were shot in order to bring Comrade Mask's case to the lead? I think very little. And how much did they plant? I also think not so much. So what are we talking about? Ten years ago they laughed at a foreign mask and slept through a revolution in space. Now weep over our "liberalism." Time passes, but nothing changes. Need a change. Global. The truth is possible without them - but then about space, and not only about it, we must forget.
    1. remal 5 February 2020 09: 16 New
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      I did not laugh at Mask. Those who laugh very funny jokes about trampolines invented. The revolution was again overslept by those at the helm. What does liberalism have to do with it?
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        Yes, I didn’t mean you personally. And "liberalism" to the fact that here on the forum, and not only here, the idea is constantly floating that, they say, if they planted and shot more often, then they might have stolen less and worked better. The orders seem too liberal to people.
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          “liberalism” is a completely spoiled word, associated with such events and persons, that executions no longer seem to be something unacceptable. The problem is in people, not the absence of executions. IT managers should manage the space, with this, everything is not so bad with us. But for some reason, they appoint either the director of AvtoVAZ, now now.
  32. Pilat2009 13 February 2020 07: 39 New
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    I did not understand why the powerful Energia modular launch vehicle, which can carry more than 100 tons of cargo, was thrown.

    100 tons no one takes into orbit. At least for the time being. Economy. For the same reason the usa abandoned their saturns of the lunar program
  33. SID
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    Let there be light in the minds of the afflicted!

    KRK (space rocket KOPLEKS) "Angara" was conceived and created as a unified complex for launching a wide range of payloads (payloads) into orbits. The Angara launch line was supposed to cover almost all the niches and provide all the launching needs of the country + foreign customer. So the CRC was calculated and built from the calculations of high regularity of launches - at least 20 starts per year! In conditions of ensuring such a starting load, the presence of the Angara missile complex is gaining common sense. But as a substitute for the Proton - which covers a rather narrow range of tasks of launching PN into orbits - the Angara really turns into a misunderstanding. A misunderstanding, because the A-5 Angara launch vehicle is worse than Proton in all respects except for the toxicity of the fuel components. This is not stupid developers, but universalization bet result.

    The meaning of KRK Angara is in universality and mass character !!!
    So to reduce the creation of the CRC Angara (A1, A3, A5, ....) to the task of replacing the Proton - which many writers do here - idiocy (in the medical sense), to one extent or another. The meaning of the Angara missile complex is the replacement of Proton, Zenith, and the Unions, and Rokot, and the Dnieper, and Delta, and Dragons, and Antares, and other things.
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    No reason
    To invent a bicycle ... Elon mask came up with a very simple and effective
    Repeat
    Many one-time steps
  35. Nedokomsomolets 28 March 2020 10: 56 New
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    Weak to provide a story on Russia-24 with the same meaning?))
  36. ont65 April 7 2020 14: 40 New
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    The statement is incorrect. An instrument (a specific launch vehicle) is in itself neither a condition for success, nor a measure for others. They, in a developed industry, there are several classes for different loads and tasks. There are no others in the heavy class and it’s not planned, just as there is no infrastructure other than the Angara, that’s why there are no doubts or criticisms and will not have any weight in the coming years, all the more so in the form that has never been dealt with . About nothing.
  37. ont65 April 22 2020 04: 37 New
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    Chef, the mustache is gone! No, no. - There is no and will not be in the near future an alternative to the Angara series, in particular for promising manned programs. The eagle (the former Federation) was heavily weighted, the moon's flight missions with the Soyuz MS ship are possible only on the 5V Angara. If the lunar station passes, there will be what the crew will deliver to there. What is bad? No Soyuz-5 will pull it, but it is not yet available, as well as other developed systems.