Phantom Express: the end of yet another American dream of accessible space


Is space our?



The attention of the whole world is riveted to Ilon Mask, who in all seriousness declares his desire to move a million people to Mars. Of no less interest are the very real successes of SpaceX in creating a relatively cheap and affordable medium - Falcon 9. In Russia, they traditionally discuss Angara, promising "Federation" and "Soyuz-5", and also dream of landing on a satellite of our planet.

At the same time, many lose sight of the rapid militarization of outer space, which, if it has not reached the time of the Cold War, is eager to strive for it. The United States is making the most efforts in this direction, having, of course, the most money and the greatest technical capabilities.

Recall that in 2013, the American defense research agency DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) announced the launch of the XS-1 program, the purpose of which was to obtain an inexpensive reusable device that could quickly put a small satellite or satellites into orbit. The payload was supposed to be about one and a half tons at a launch price of around five million dollars. This is extremely small - more than ten times less than the launch price of the Falcon 9 mentioned above and even lower than the launch cost of Rocket Lab’s latest ultra-light Electron rocket. Recall that now for the orbit of small military satellites, the United States uses a disposable Minotaur IV lightweight launch vehicle that can bring payloads weighing up to 1725 kilograms into low Earth orbit (DOE). In 2013, the price of one launch of this carrier was $ 50 million ...

There is another feature of the XS-1. Perhaps even more significant. According to the requirements, the promising device was supposed to provide ten launches in ten days. No other existing or even promising medium is capable of this.


American History XS


A number of companies expressed their desire to participate in the program, which was soon renamed XSP. In the end, DARPA elected Boeing and Aerojet Rocketdyne. The latter was supposed to deliver an engine, namely the AR-22. At the heart of the design of this engine are developments on the RS-25, which was previously installed on Space Shuttle.

The device itself was seen as a spaceplane with a consumable second stage, which satellites were supposed to display. The reusable carrier had to come back after landing and sit down, like a regular airplane. Phantom Express was supposed to take off vertically. The size of the spaceplane should have been comparable with the size of a large twin-engine fighter of the fourth generation or even slightly larger.


In 2018, it became known that Boeing began construction of the first Phantom Express flight model. As of November of the year before last, they completed the production of a fuel tank for liquid oxygen and began production of a tank for liquid hydrogen. As the first flight, Phantom Express was called the year 2021.

Winners ... are judged


The future of the complex seemed bright: Boeing had enormous experience in the space industry, and the state generously paid for a promising undertaking. Back in 2017, the company as the winner of the competition received $ 146 million for the project, which, of course, was only the beginning.

However, in January 2020, Boeing suddenly refused to participate in the program. And he did it in a very original way. “After a detailed review, Boeing immediately terminates its participation in the Experimental Spaceplane (XSP) program,” said company spokesman Jerry Drelling. “Now we will redirect our investments from XSP to other Boeing programs that cover the maritime, air and space sectors.” DARPA confirmed that the company notified the agency of its decision to withdraw from the Phantom Express development program.

Boeing’s solution, actually ending the XSP program, adds another chapter to history DARPA's failed efforts to develop a low-cost affordable medium. Earlier, we recall that the agency launched the ALASA program: the F-15 Eagle fighter was chosen as the platform. He had to launch a rocket that would put small satellites into orbit. In 2015, the program was closed after a series of unsuccessful trials.


The first reason for the new failure is seen (at least from the outside) as Boeing’s grave problems caused by the crash of the Boeing 737 MAX near Jakarta in 2018 and the crash of the same aircraft near Addis Ababa in March 2019. Recall that in both cases, the experts blamed the MCAS stabilization system, which made the aircraft uncontrollable under certain circumstances. Further checks revealed numerous security breaches, and it was not only about MCAS.

Recently, Boeing shares during trading on the Nasdaq US stock exchange lost 4%: this happened after the company announced a delay in the resumption of flights of 737 MAX aircraft. Recall, the airline said that it expects the model 737 MAX to return to service no earlier than in the middle of this year. By the standards of the modern world, this is a lot.

New opportunities


Most likely, we will never know about the real state of affairs in the case of Phantom Express and the reasons for rejecting the program. However, it is worth noting one more important circumstance. The fact is that the United States already has at its disposal a reusable and multi-purpose spacecraft. We are talking about the unmanned spacecraft Boeing X-37: like his brother, he takes off vertically and lands like an airplane. Theoretically, a spaceplane can be used to put various spacecraft into orbit.

However, there is one important difference from Phantom Express. The X-37B is launched into orbit in the head fairing of a conventional launch vehicle. This, undoubtedly, will not allow achieving profitability indicators, at least remotely comparable with those of Phantom Express.

At the same time, the X-37 itself has even more secrets than a failed spaceship: the public still does not know why the US military needs such an apparatus. Someone sees it simply as a test bench for working out technologies for launching satellites into space, while others say that we can talk about a prototype of a “space interceptor”.

Phantom Express: the end of yet another American dream of accessible space

One thing is clear: the capabilities of the X-37 are more than serious. In October last year, the American spacecraft set a new record, having been in orbit for more than two years, namely - 780 days. At that time, the number of days spent in orbit under this program was 2865 days. The X-37B mini-shuttle “is capable of forming an orbit that looks like an egg and, when it is near the Earth, it is close enough to the atmosphere to turn around at that moment. So, our enemies do not know this, because everything happens on the opposite side of the Earth. And we are aware that this is driving them crazy. I’m very glad, ”said former US Air Force Minister Heather Wilson, which added confidence to the conspiracy theorists.
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  1. Ros 56 31 January 2020 18: 07 New
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    Will Musk build apartments on Mars or bring Tajiks?
    1. Aerodrome 31 January 2020 18: 12 New
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      Phantom Express: the end of yet another American dream of accessible space
      yes kapets America .. again ...
      1. Svarog 31 January 2020 19: 03 New
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        Quote: Aerodrome
        Phantom Express: the end of yet another American dream of accessible space
        yes kapets America .. again ...

        America is developing, both in economics and scientific thought does not stand still .. Musk, with all my skepticism, is the right person .. he sets difficult goals and tries to realize them .. we can only wish him good luck .. we used to have Korolev ... now Rogozin ..
        1. Aerodrome 31 January 2020 19: 05 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          America is developing, both in economics and in scientific thought

          don’t ... they bend at the speed of the “float” in the cage ... well, don’t believe me, ask Solovyov.
          1. Lexus 31 January 2020 22: 51 New
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            don’t ... they bend at the speed of the “float” in the cage ... well, don’t believe me, ask Solovyov.

            It is necessary for them to send “help” in the form of Rogozin (he will even “land” and bury successful projects) and Solovyov in order to “take the funeral”. Like Hercules and Iolaus: one will chop the heads of the American space "hydra", and the other will cauterize. One hundred pounds of "amercosmos" after them will never rise again.
            1. krot 2 February 2020 12: 50 New
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              Musk, with all my skepticism, is the right person .. he sets complex goals and tries to realize them ..

              In the light of new posts, Musk took up electronic music) I wonder how much he was absorbed in the new hobby ..
              1. krot 2 February 2020 12: 52 New
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                [/ Quote]
                Quote: Aerodrome
                [quote = Svarog] America is developing, both in economics and in scientific thought

                don’t ... they bend at the speed of the “float” in the cage ... well, don’t believe me, ask Solovyov.

                Yes, you drive! When did Soloviev say this? Can see? A reference?
                Personally, I only heard from him that the USA is the most powerful economy in the world, and this factor cannot be discounted.
          2. Greenwood 2 February 2020 12: 55 New
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            Quote: Aerodrome
            ask the nightingale.
            Is it the one who flies there on vacation?
        2. Cut Samshitov 31 January 2020 19: 16 New
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          [quoteMask, with all my skepticism, the right person .. he sets complex goals and tries to realize them .. you can only wish him luck .. we used to have Korolev ... now Rogozin .. [/ quote] And with what a fright wish good luck to a very likely opponent?
        3. Range 31 January 2020 19: 49 New
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          Or maybe Mask himself to send to Mars?
        4. Ros 56 31 January 2020 20: 38 New
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          Well, yes, yes, only the debt is growing by leaps and bounds, even in silence about hours. Someone out of curiosity did not think that stripes grew faster debt or GDP. fellow recourse
          1. Gleborg 1 February 2020 03: 29 New
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            Quote: Ros 56
            Well, yes, yes, only the debt is growing by leaps and bounds, even in silence about hours. Someone out of curiosity did not think that stripes grew faster debt or GDP.

            it is natural when the economy develops, the “debt” grows, as banks give loans to business. And when the interest on loans goes off scale, then of course debts do not grow, there is no business, the population sucks its paw and the government cuts its pension ... fellow
            1. bistrov. 1 February 2020 07: 44 New
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              Quote: Gleborg
              And when the interest on loans goes off scale, then of course the debt does not grow, there is no business, the population sucks its paw and the government cuts its pension.

              Yes, very "original" conclusions ....
            2. Ros 56 1 February 2020 09: 01 New
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              I’m talking about the debt that is already surpassing over 23 trillion greens, can you imagine what the exhaust should be in order to reduce it to zero. But there is no exhaust, and it is unlikely to be in the foreseeable future. It just goes accelerating into the abyss of the striped economy.
              1. Gleborg 1 February 2020 09: 29 New
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                Quote: Ros 56
                I’m talking about a debt that is already surpassing 23 trillion greens

                you have no idea about the structure of this "duty" but you repeat the propaganda from the zombie as an ass.
                Quote: Ros 56
                there is no exhaust and is unlikely to be in the foreseeable future

                just there, only in the training manual they are silent about this.
                Quote: Ros 56
                It just goes accelerating into the abyss of the striped economy.

                since 1917, this mantra is about a decaying west, but “oil and gas superpowers” ​​suffer most from periodic crises ...
                1. Ros 56 1 February 2020 09: 35 New
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                  Liberast is immediately evident from his statements, no one understands anything, they alone are right. Your redhead leader also says so, and the bastard himself only exists on state multi-billion dollar subsidies, and let's transfer it to self-sufficiency, he will die figuratively speaking the day after tomorrow.
                  1. Gleborg 1 February 2020 10: 56 New
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                    Quote: Ros 56
                    Liberast is immediately evident from his statements, no one understands anything, they alone are right. Your redhead leader says that too

                    let's go, the pipe burst? Who about what, and lousy about the bath. lol
                    1. Ros 56 1 February 2020 10: 57 New
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                      Learn to write a troll bespontovy write.
                      1. Gleborg 2 February 2020 04: 53 New
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                        Quote: Ros 56
                        Learn to write a troll bespontovy write.

                        your clucking makes no impression on me, gambuzhsky cock negative
                      2. Andrei Gurov 2 February 2020 05: 38 New
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                        And what is (cock), and where is this (gambuzh)?
                      3. Ros 56 2 February 2020 08: 37 New
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                        You are a stump illiterate, filter the bazaar.
              2. Scoun 2 February 2020 11: 20 New
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                Quote: Gleborg
                you have no idea about the structure of this "duty" but you repeat the propaganda from the zombie as an ass.

                Maybe you, as an expert, will tell you what happened to Lehman Brothers and what the consequences were and how the feds tried to save by injections but did not save the largest bank from bankruptcy.
            3. Korax71 1 February 2020 12: 43 New
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              Well, this debt has been given to you. Imagine that, roughly speaking, your annual income is 1 year, you go to the bank and take a loan for 10-20 years in the amount of your annual earnings! Do you need to be considered bankrupt after that? If you pay interest on time, then the bank that gave you the loan will only pray for your well-being and prosperity. But no one will force you to repay the entire amount at once. It is the same with the state debt of the mattress, so long as they service their debt in a timely manner and in proper amount about their financial collapse can not start. with such a editnoy history of wanting to give them a loan will only be added.
      2. Narak-zempo 31 January 2020 21: 51 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        now Rogozin

        Don't like Rogozin? Let's see what you sing when Mutko is appointed.
      3. chistyakov.trofim 1 February 2020 17: 17 New
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        you! Korolev was a specialist, and Musk was a businessman. And the engines on his missiles are the same characteristics as in the Royal East. The whole joke in the new missiles is new materials, more advanced control systems and more modern production technology than in the 50-60s, which can improve the quality of old structures and increase the payload. So far, Musk has not organized a manned flight.
      4. Arkon 1 February 2020 21: 15 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Musk, with all my skepticism, is the right person .. he sets complex goals and tries to realize them ..


        If it’s not a secret, what kind of “complex goals” does Musk set in space? The resumption of American manned astronautics after almost a decade of absence? Well, probably, it was difficult for the 70s of the last century. What else? Reusable media? Why is it needed? For the sake of reducing startup costs? Here at cost and compare. But even a gain in the launch price cannot be considered an ambitious task in space. Unless for the American huckster. What is it, Martian expedition? Let's not make people laugh. Mask to solve such a problem does not even have hypothetical possibilities.
        The nearest ambitious and at the same time real task for mankind is the base on the moon. Here on it and see who really solves ambitious tasks, and who only puffs out her cheeks.
        Musk ... It’s already ridiculous to read just these enthusiastic comments about the void.
      5. Sirocco 2 February 2020 12: 13 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Musk, with all my skepticism, is the right person ..

        Needed as an effective manager and as Vice Chair Pound
        I’ve been sitting for others all my life. My profession is to suffer for others.
        “Ah, are you a dummy?”
        No more, especially considering that he appeared in this industry as a devil from a snuff box. Well and most importantly, Korolev S.P. and Musk faces are not comparable from the word at all. They can not be compared in anything and nothing.
      6. Sirocco April 13 2020 13: 28 New
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        . Musk, with all my skepticism, is the right person .. he sets complex goals and tries to realize them

        Have you heard anything about the Jennifer-Azorian project? and who financed it, and under whose name was the operation of the CIA? Does the name Howard Hughes tell you anything? The same billionaire who became famous not only for his strange behavior in the last years of his life, but also for his sometimes revolutionary engineering endeavors, like Musk. In addition to all of his companies were major Pentagon contractors. Hughes agreed to be the screen for the entire Azorian project. Doesn’t resemble anything? Something flashed like this recently.))))
    2. Mikhalych 2 February 2020 07: 22 New
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      Agency DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency)

      Well, how much can lick the English language? In Russian, it will be the Agency for Defense Advanced Research Projects
      (AOPIP). Pip-ec Very accurate.
      good
  2. tihonmarine 31 January 2020 18: 56 New
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    Quote: Ros 56
    Will Musk build apartments on Mars or bring Tajiks?

    About the huts on Mars are fantastic, but lately Musk, it’s like a brand, the name flashes everywhere where space is. But apart from this surname, I personally did not hear anyone, but I and the cosmos are far away like a chimpanzee with a Nagan revolver. I’m wondering who is doing this with us, since the launch of the first satellite in 1957, I heard Korolev, Yangel, Glushko, and now only topmanagers.
    1. bk316 31 January 2020 20: 20 New
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      Since the launch of the first satellite in 1957, I heard Korolev, Yangel, Glushko,

      What did you hear? All 3 of these surnames were classified. The uninitiated did not immediately recognize them even after death.
      Well, does the last name Leonov tell you anything? No, not Alexey Arkhipovich .... laughing
      1. tihonmarine 31 January 2020 21: 33 New
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        Well, does the last name Leonov tell you anything?

        And surname Stalin, something tells you ???
      2. Egor53 1 February 2020 01: 18 New
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        And Boris Ivanovich Katorgin is still alive. With Korolev and Glushko in Russia, not everything ended.
    2. Avior 31 January 2020 22: 42 New
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      Memory let you down a little
      The personality of the Queen was declassified only on the day of his death in 1966
      1. tihonmarine 31 January 2020 22: 47 New
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        Quote: Avior
        The personality of the Queen was declassified only on the day of his death in 1966

        It depends. The question is closed.
        1. Okolotochny 2 February 2020 13: 37 New
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          That is, until 1966 you knew about who Korolev is? And how old are you?
          1. tihonmarine 2 February 2020 15: 56 New
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            Quote: Okolotochny
            That is, until 1966 you knew about who Korolev is? And how old are you?

            Only 20 years old.
    3. aiden 2 February 2020 10: 51 New
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      Mask has been a meme lately. But for most people, all his statements cause a smile. As we say, all his crafts are a terrible collective farm
      1. Trotil42 2 February 2020 12: 38 New
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        Meme Which by the number of satellites and launches caught up with ROSKOMOS? In 2002, he had nothing besides the old carpet ... and 11 comrades-in-arms ... who won funding for a startup ... Collective farm upright landing? Tesla? Collective farm worth $ 22 billion? It’s silly to respect Ilona ... Name it though one entrepreneur of the Russian Federation who has done so much ...
  3. Aviator_ 31 January 2020 19: 04 New
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    Syrian and Libyan refugees will bring, Tajiks - this is exclusively our property.
  4. Nikolaevich I 1 February 2020 07: 52 New
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    Musk will build apartments on Mars or will it bring Tajiks?

    What is it ? The first "Martians" will be Ravshan and Jamshut? belay
    Only now ... they will get used to it and they will want the Martian pension!
    And in the end, the settlement on Mars will consist of "guest workers"!
  5. Andrei Gurov 2 February 2020 05: 31 New
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    Why bring someone there, there are probably Martian Indians there, so they will work in the new state of America - Mars.
  • Blackmokona 31 January 2020 18: 20 New
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    Recall that now for the orbit of small military satellites, the United States uses a disposable Minotaur IV lightweight launch vehicle that can bring payloads weighing up to 1725 kilograms into low Earth orbit (DOE). In 2013, the price of one launch of this carrier was $ 50 million ...

    Falcon-9 is now also 50 million each, which means the Minotaur is already a corpse.
  • KCA
    KCA 31 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    I wonder how the MIG-31S and MIG-31D projects are doing ...
  • ccsr 31 January 2020 18: 42 New
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    Ilya Legat
    The first reason for the new failure is seen (at least from the outside) as Boeing’s grave problems caused by the crash of the Boeing 737 MAX near Jakarta in 2018 and the crash of the same aircraft near Addis Ababa in March 2019.

    This excuse does not work, because other people are responsible for the development of space technology, and funding is provided through defense programs and it has been approved in advance by the legislative order. Those. no organizational difficulties and financing problems exist for this project, which means that most likely the unsolvability of technical problems, and the inability to present to the customer something that actually meets the TTZ, has led to the rejection of this work.
  • Keyser soze 31 January 2020 18: 50 New
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    Eta Dream Mask, populate Mars .... it’s great easy. And if not during our lifetime, but still in the next 50 years it will work out. It is important that there are dreamers and not the military.
    1. tihonmarine 31 January 2020 19: 19 New
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      Quote: Keyser Soze
      It is important that there are dreamers and not the military.

      And then the thing goes.
    2. BARKAS 31 January 2020 20: 12 New
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      Here, the scientists of the United Kingdom by 2080. They promised to make the machine for teleportation so that Musk flies. laughing
    3. dauria 31 January 2020 21: 04 New
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      Eta Dream Mask, populate Mars .... it’s great easy.

      Mavrodi also had a dream - to fill his pockets. And for some reason everyone decided that he wants to bless the millions of Len Golubkov. Moreover, there are still people who are confident that he was simply prevented from becoming Jesus Christ.
      You see, Mask has no “breakthrough” inventions and discoveries that fundamentally change the space program. There are no gravitaps. All the long-known old. There will be no qualitative leap. There will be hype and a natural ending - ordinary missiles with the usual cost and capabilities, like everyone else - Russians, Chinese, Americans, etc.
      1. Pontiffsulyvahn 5 February 2020 15: 12 New
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        The logical ending is the “Hangar” that flew once. That's for sure the finale, so the finale. Mask is just beginning: reusable rockets, multi-ship (manned / cargo), superheavy rockets, interplanetary systems, the largest constellation of satellites.
        You can talk about the "old" as much as you like after the loss of almost all commercial orders, only the facts from this will not cease to be facts: rockets fly, upgrade, ships fly, tests pass, satellites are already made 7 pieces a day, work on the interplanetary system is underway .
    4. Passing 31 January 2020 21: 17 New
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      Colonization of Mars is a brand! Oh, in the sense of nonsense! You guys dreamers study the question a little bit, there is no magnetic field on Mars, which means there is no protection from cosmic radiation, there is no atmosphere, then you’ll live all your life in prison, among concrete walls, there’s no water, there’s no fertile soil, so you’ll eat your whole life yeast biomass and drink distilled urine, there is no gravity necessary for a person, then your descendants will turn into mutants, frail, with fragile bones, unable to live on Earth, and there is nothing for a normal, full life! The idea of ​​sending a million people there is monstrously inhuman, it will be a cynical genocide of dreamers!
      1. Intruder 1 February 2020 16: 11 New
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        Oh !? gas shell surrounding the planet Mars. It differs significantly from the Earth’s atmosphere both in chemical composition and in physical parameters. The pressure at the surface is on average 0,6 kPa or 6 mbar (1/170 of the Earth’s, or equal to the Earth’s at an altitude of almost 35 km from the Earth’s surface). The approximate thickness of the atmosphere is 11 km, the approximate mass is 2,5–1016 kg. (More than 200 times less than the Earth's). Mars has a very weak magnetic field (compared to Earth's) and is 2,6 times weaker than Earth's attraction, water is also present - water vapor in the Martian atmosphere is not more than a thousandth of a percent, but according to recent results (2013) research, it is still more than previously thought, and more than in the upper layers of the Earth’s atmosphere, and at low pressure and temperature it is in a state close to saturation, therefore it often gathers in clouds. As a rule, water clouds form at heights of 10-30 km above the surface. They are concentrated mainly at the equator and are observed almost throughout the year. Clouds observed at high atmospheric levels (over 20 km) are formed as a result of CO2 condensation. The same process is responsible for the formation of low (at an altitude of less than 10 km) clouds of the polar regions in the winter, when the temperature of the atmosphere drops below the freezing point of CO2 (-126 ° С); in the summer, similar thin formations from H2O ice are formed.
        1. Passing 1 February 2020 17: 15 New
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          Oh what?
          It is believed that the loss of the magnetic field occurred about 4 billion years ago. Due to the weakness of the magnetic field, the solar wind penetrates almost unhindered into the atmosphere of Mars, and many of the photochemical reactions under the influence of solar radiation that occur on the Earth in the ionosphere and higher can be observed on Mars almost at its very surface.

          there is no stable all-planetary magnetic field on Mars [117], observations have shown that parts of the planetary crust are magnetized

          The magnetic field is negligible. And even having restored the atmosphere, cosmic radiation will kill all living things.
          The loss of light atoms and molecules from the atmosphere is a consequence of the weak attraction of Mars.
          The atmosphere is negligible, and even restore the atmosphere is pointless, it will fly into space.
          Recent evidence suggests that any water on the surface of Mars is too salty and acidic to maintain a permanent, earth-like life.

          Water is negligible. And the one that is unsuitable.
          There are no soils at all, hypothetical plants on the surface of Mars are impossible, which means it is impossible to create soil, to conduct terramorphing.
          Gravity is many times less. If you can still return to Earth, then your descendants are doomed to survive in that hell forever!

          If this is not enough for you, so I’ll add, I do not mind:
          The absence of the ozone layer and oxygen in general means UV irradiation of the surface, which is deadly for all living things, all hypothetical plants that are supposed to conduct terramorphing are simply impossible, they will be burned out by the Sun.
          The average temperature on Earth is +14 degrees, on Mars -63 degrees. Some plants for terramorphing, for pumping the atmosphere, are practically impossible. The hypothetical maximum is insignificant lichens at the equator, with a meager efficiency in biomass and oxygen.
          Having recreated the atmosphere (sisisoph labor), we may raise it to a plus, but all the same, life, theoretically, will be possible only at the Equator. But in practice, we are not able to pump up the atmosphere in principle. Technically unable to deliver about 10 ^ 15 tons of gases to Mars.
          As well as deliver water. For example, on Earth, its billion cubic kilometers.
          1. Golovan Jack 1 February 2020 17: 26 New
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            Quote: Passing by
            and create the soil, carry out terramorphing, it is impossible

            Terraforming.
            1. Passing 1 February 2020 17: 58 New
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              No question, talking ...
          2. Intruder 1 February 2020 22: 18 New
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            Water is negligible. And the one that is unsuitable
            for how many people !?
            Lack of an ozone layer and generally oxygen
            oxygen is not fate to take from water, and the ozone layer is not needed, life will still be either under the "dome" or under the surface of the sands of Mars, I think everyone understands this ... :)
        2. Scoun 2 February 2020 11: 51 New
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          Quote: Intruder
          Oh !? gas shell

          Quote: Passing by
          Oh what?

          "Girls" do not swear! You are all right in your own way, but I want to remind you that you would have approached a resident of Paris, Moscow or New York exactly one hundred years ago and would have started talking to them about rectors, jet engines, nuclear-powered ships, space rockets, the Internet and smart watches, about CNC machines, etc.
          Yes, most of you would twist your finger at the temple, and if you started talking about bosons, strings, dark matter and the theory of parallel universes, you would be put in a psychiatric hospital.
          Why talk about and about right away, maybe there robots will work hard for a start creating the necessary minimum for the arrival and departure of personnel from people?
          If people create something close to AI, it will be something.
          It was fantastic in one day to get from New York to Moscow.
          1. Passing 2 February 2020 13: 20 New
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            Quote: Intruder
            life will still be either under the "dome", or under the surface of the sands of Mars

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            maybe there robots for a start will work hard creating the necessary minimum for the arrival and departure of personnel from people?

            You did not understand my idea of ​​what I call nonsense. Bullshit is the COLONIZATION of Mars, the idea of ​​sending a million earthlings to Mars. Not scientific stations, as in Antarctica, not bases for flying to distant planets, such as Neptune, etc., namely colonization. Colonization - the occupation and development of Mars by Martian people, the creation of an enclave of people on another planet, is that clear?
            Nonsense because the colonization of Mars is criminal, because it will irreversibly change people, doom them to eternal confinement in caves, create a race of flawed and miserable gollums. Nonsense because the colonization of Mars is meaningless, there is nothing valuable that could not be obtained on Earth or, for example, on the Moon, there are no prospects, terraforming is impossible in principle, there is no purpose for which countless generations should suffer.
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              Bullshit is the COLONIZATION of Mars, the idea of ​​sending a million earthlings to Mars.

              Well, it’s so clear that we can’t get to the moon and create a type of Arctic station and at the same time talk about “millions of people”! Ilon PR, by analogy with trampolines. wassat
              Sorry, could not resist.)))
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                Quote: Scoun
                Ilon PR, by analogy with trampolines.

                And trampolines then at what :?
                They have been working perfectly since 2011.
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        Everything is correct, but only there is the goal in the matter of prestige. And theoretically, Mars can be turned into earth, but it will take so much time that the sun will soon go out. The base can be made, but for research or something like that (and even with the current development of technology, it’s not possible to keep people on it for a long time, and launches to Mars are not yet every day), but not for permanent residence. And you wrote why
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          And theoretically, Mars can be turned into earth

          Theoretically, in the infinitely distant future, you can bring atmosphere and water, and launch a magnetic field, and sow Mars gardens, but .. what to do with gravity?
  • Aviator_ 31 January 2020 19: 08 New
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    If you look at the press of the early 90s, what kind of projects of light Shuttles were not there then - the German Zenger, the French Hermes, 5 more I don’t remember anyone, even the Japanese were noted. All these are devices for 1-3 tons of payload, the start of operation was planned for zero years. And where is it all now? In Karaganda?
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      And where is it all now? In Karaganda?

      My former colleagues, and now Karaganda, to the question "where?" They answer: "In Kzyl-Orda!".
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        Well, maybe there. All one is far from here.
  • Operator 31 January 2020 19: 10 New
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    A reusable booster rocket (not to be confused with a reusable space shuttle) is a dead end path, which so far has reached the Boeing.
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      I’m right and see bewilderment on the face of Ilon Mask, who does not have time to count the bags of money ...
  • knn54 31 January 2020 19: 13 New
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    Tasks with the X-37 are completely different:
    "37" starts as a "passenger" inside the fairing of the Atlas rocket. Once in orbit, the shuttle can maneuver and then land like an airplane.
    XS-1 is not designed to stay in orbit - it is the winged first stage, which puts into orbit an irrevocable "container" - the second stage with satellites.
    After returning to the airport, ready for the next launch.
    T, E "daily shuttle" did not work.
  • rocket757 31 January 2020 19: 15 New
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    Cheap and angry so far does not work!
    It is necessary to invent antigrav or something like that!
    When it will be ... yes FIG knows him.
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      Cheap and angry so far does not work!

      Yes, space cannot be cheap.
      1. rocket757 31 January 2020 19: 23 New
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        Ha, cheap, as we see, the concept is relative ....
        those. for someone, 50 lard is not very expensive, but for someone it is ten times less and nothing else.
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          Quote: rocket757
          Ha, cheap, as we see, the concept is relative ....
          those. for someone 50 lard is not very expensive

          Well, here’s the question: if you look at lards at the cosmos of the whole world, then you wouldn’t be hungry, but if you look ahead and into the future, it’s just a penny. Question And what do we, the whole world want? You have to make a choice.
  • purple 31 January 2020 19: 56 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: Ros 56
    Will Musk build apartments on Mars or bring Tajiks?

    About the huts on Mars are fantastic, but lately Musk, it’s like a brand, the name flashes everywhere where space is. But apart from this surname, I personally did not hear anyone, but I and the cosmos are far away like a chimpanzee with a Nagan revolver. I’m wondering who is doing this with us, since the launch of the first satellite in 1957, I heard Korolev, Yangel, Glushko, and now only topmanagers.

    we have nobody, just at the helm people living one day, why invent and invent something.
    Money is much easier to earn. There is a budget, it is dragged, bribery, blackmail, leftist schemes.
    nobody is interested in the end result, the main process ... and how much money has been spent at the end of the year.
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      Money is much easier to earn.

      As long as money and profit are of paramount importance, space is only needed as a means of profit. Justify that I'm wrong.
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      Money is much easier to earn. There is a budget, it is dragged, bribery, blackmail, leftist schemes.

      Well then say, "Well, it's not our business cosmos." A penny and a budget is no longer space, land.
  • purple 31 January 2020 19: 59 New
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    You can relate to Ilon Mask as you like ... But one cannot be taken away from him, he is a brilliant manager. All of his projects have a result. Therefore, they trust him, therefore they carry hard-earned money in his actions.
    Well, to be honest ... if someone is entrusted with the implementation of the flight to Mars ... then only to him. The rest will not pull.
    Including and states with their "agencies"
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      Quote: purple
      You can relate to Ilon Mask as you like
      No one knows how to develop revolutionary ideas and find money for them like Musk does. He is both a businessman and a designer, probably, the creator of SpaceX, in general terms, you can really call Ostap Bender, who could. And he could, because he became not only a bold adventurer, but also a really good inventor and manager. I would like to ask, "Who are you Ilon Max, Korolev or Henry Ford?" Or maybe Rogozin.
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      You can relate to Ilon Mask as you like ... But one cannot be taken away from him, he is a brilliant manager. All of his projects have a result.

      especially hyperloop
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        07, 2019 India
        “There is no fully functional Hyperloop in the world, but that could change soon, as officials in India recently identified the ultrafast, futuristic transportation system as a“ public infrastructure project ”and will soon bid on its construction. The Hyperloop train can shorten the trip from Mumbai to Pune to 23 minutes. ”
        And this is just the beginning. The main thing for you (and me!) Is good health and not to worry, because in the next 5-10 years, new countries will appear. And we (me and you) will witness the highest speeds of his Hyperloop! And if one of us is lucky (you or me), then go for a drive.
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          The Hyperloop train can shorten the trip from Mumbai to Pune to 23 minutes. ”

          Have you ever been to Pune, Maharashtra? I lived there for about 1,5 years. This is the city of the Nabob's dream: they know how to please and know how to force yes The glorious traditions of the British Empire have not yet been forgotten.
          Some 7 million people live in the city, 2 times more in the agglomeration. This is a gigantic city, almost Moscow. There is no metro and public transport in its infancy, mainly tuk-tuks. And so the locals on the greats and scooters. On the streets of Hell. Even blood pressure in the cube.
          The city is very poor. Somehow I watched the locals ride the escalator in the new hypermarket - they saw it for the first time in their life ... One of the main problems of the city is clean water, you can’t drink from the tap, and bottled is expensive for half the population.
          There hyperloop is needed as a cow 5 foot. The state and the city do not even have money for the subway.
          In some ways, it reminds me of the former Minister of Transport of Ukraine Omelyan with his ideas to build a hyperloop on an independent ... The same meaningless and merciless game ...
          Quote: eklmn
          officials in India recently identified the ultrafast, futuristic transportation system as a “public infrastructure project” and will soon bid on its construction.

          Officials in India are not. The authorities of the state of Maharashtra refused to build a hyperloop, but never agreed, they just hoped that Ilon would act as an investor.
          Mumbai, India, January 18, 2020, 09:02 - The authorities of the Indian state of Maharashtra decided to abandon the implementation of the Hyperloop Super High Speed ​​Railway project. This was announced today, January 18, by the Deputy Chief Minister of State Ajit Pavar
          Here is the link: [media = https: //regnum.ru/news/it/2832983.html]
          Quote: eklmn
          And this is just the beginning. The main thing for you (and me!) Is good health and not to worry, because in the next 5-10 years, new countries will appear. And we (me and you) will witness the highest speeds of his Hyperloop! And if one of us is lucky (you or me), then go for a drive.

          Giprelup is a completely stillborn idea. An attempt to bring to life the ideas of the end of the 30th century on vaum transport. All this was, everything was discussed at the level of the Technics-Youth magazine of the XNUMXs.
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            Nah, I haven’t been in India, but I’m working with the Indians ..)))
            Thanks for the info, but as you know, I didn’t lie about Hyperloop, an article from Google ... But you are right - the officials voted to “show concern about ...”
            And in the United States, about 10 states spoke loudly about tunneling, but there is still no driving noise ...
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      You can relate to Ilon Mask as you like ... But one cannot be taken away from him, he is a brilliant manager. All of his projects have a result.


      especially Hyperzalup.
      the fact that this vulgar nonsense was clear from the very beginning to any sane person
  • purple 31 January 2020 20: 00 New
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    Quote: tihonmarine
    Quote: rocket757
    Cheap and angry so far does not work!

    Yes, space cannot be cheap.

    maybe this is a mistake, there is nothing of the kind there. The Chinese have proven
  • Last centurion 31 January 2020 20: 13 New
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    they already have x37. for a dive with a warhead into the atmosphere. why do they still
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      Moreover, this X-35 is launched into space with a low-cost Falcon-9 low-cost rocket,
      at a start-up price of a used first stage of not more than 20 minutes dollars.
      Naturally, Boeing cannot make the spacecraft competitive
      for the price with Falcon.
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        I know you love this bearded guy, but hesitate to open yourself ...
        New movie favorite of the public Konanykhin, famous, with an overview of the Korolev readings and successes in the construction of a nuclear tugboat.
  • Zeev Zeev 31 January 2020 21: 09 New
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    NEW YORK CITY, January 31. / TASS /. On Thursday, the American company Rocket Lab launched into orbit with the help of the Electron launch vehicle a secret vehicle in the interests of the US National Aerospace Intelligence Administration (NIOCR). The launch took place from a commercial spaceport located on the Mahia Peninsula in New Zealand, Rocket Lab reported.

    “We continue to carry out 100% successful missions for customers,” the company, headquartered in Huntington Beach, California, informed on Twitter. Rocket Lab accepted congratulations from NUKR, noting that it considers it an honor to cooperate with management.

    The activities of the NUACR, which controls US intelligence satellites, are strictly classified. There is no official information about the purpose of the device and its cost. The official mission of the withdrawal of NROL-151 is called "Birds of a Feather".

    The length of the two-stage Electron launch vehicle is 17 m, the diameter is 1,2 m, and the launch weight is 12,5 tons. The weight of the rocket payload is not more than 225 kg. In the first stage there are nine Rutherford engines, in the second - one jet unit of the same model.
    The launch cost is $ 5 million. This is the “end” of accessible space.
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      The weight of the rocket payload is not more than 225 kg. ... The cost of launching is $ 5 million. This is the “end” of accessible space.

      According to custom, they lied. For Electron we have:
      That 150 kg per orbit costs $ 5 million.
      And 225 kg costs $ 6,5 million.
      Catch the difference?
      At such prices, the cost of removing the payload of the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle - the weight of the payload of 8250 kg will be 238 million $ !!!. Despite the fact that the factory cost of the Soyuz launch vehicle is in the region of $ 7-8 million.
      This is apofigey. With such prices, Electron will very quickly go into oblivion if it competes in the open market. His salvation is precisely the orders of the Pentagon for the polar orbits, these are mainly the orbits of reconnaissance satellites. On this he is kept afloat, just as Ilona was once held.
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        "His salvation is precisely the orders of the Pentagon for the polar orbits" ///
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        This is what you came up with. smile
        Electron is tuned to launch a standard-size commercial CubeSat.
        Their operators have to wait a long time for the launch date of large missiles,
        where their baby cubes go as extra cargo.
        And on the Electron - this is the main burden. And you do not have to wait for a long start.
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        "just as they used to hold Ilona." ////
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        The Pentagon drowned Ilon as he could, lobbying the Boeing. All military launches
        Musk received through the court, suing the Pentagon for "unfair competition."
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          Electron is tuned to launch a standard-size commercial CubeSat.
          Their operators have to wait a long time for the launch date of large missiles

          Market analysis of micro satellites shows that it is not commercial. Micro satellites are launched by universities, non-profit organizations, sometimes research laboratories. There is no money there. They are usually thrown for free as a passing cargo. Or at dumping prices.
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And on the Electron - this is the main burden. And you do not have to wait for a long start

          CubeSat is a cover for Rocket Lab's core business and mission. The big man painted his van with clowns and lures candy inside the kids repeat
          Are you not surprised at the location of the spaceport in N. Zeeland? So far from the equator?
          Rocket Lab, a startup manufacturer of a technical-grade launch vehicle of the 60s in an incomprehensible launch site (N.Zelandia), has always been puzzling to this.
          And by the way, Mr. Konanykhin, whose work, as we found out, you are so closely following, gives the first confirmation of a rather old suspicion that the choice of N.Zelandia for the starting point can be justified only for polar or orbits of strong inclination. And this is 99% only military orbits.
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            "You yourself are not surprised at the location of the spaceport in N.Zelandia?" ////
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            Konanykhin is wrong (however, as always). smile
            The spaceport in N.Zelandia was temporary. For the time of R&D.
            The company's activities are transferred to Virginia (USA)
            At the commercial private spaceport The Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport.
            No Pentagon, intelligence or Konanykhinsky conspiracies laughing
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              “No Pentagon, intelligence or Konanykhinsky conspiracies”
              As for Konanykhinsky conspiracies - I agree, but as for the Pentagon and US government (especially intelligence!), They’re just in love with the Rocket lab!
              January 31, 2020 - Rocket Lab, ..., has successfully deployed a payload to orbit for the National Reconnaissance Office
              January 20, 2020 - Rocket Lab, will launch a dedicated mission for the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO).
              Dec, 12 2019 Rocket Lab, ..., has today officially opened Launch Complex 2, the company first US launch site, and confirmed the inaugural mission from the site will be a dedicated flight for the US Air Force.
              And in the future:
              Rocket Lab successfully launched a classified payload for the National Reconnaissance Office Jan. 30 in the first of up to a dozen launches planned by the company this year.
              https://spacenews.com/rocket-lab-kicks-off-busy-year-with-nro-launch/

              What I said - love at first sight ...! For a long time! (?)
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              Konanykhin is wrong (however, as always).

              Say it to yourself more often. It's easier to live wink
              Quote: voyaka uh
              The spaceport in N.Zelandia was temporary. For the time of R&D.
              The company's activities are transferred to Virginia (USA)

              This is not true. It is a question of opening a new launch complex in the USA, in addition to the existing one. Probably both will exist in parallel for some time.
              A new launch complex opens at the urgent request of the Pentagon to launch satellite reconnaissance from national territory (interestingly, did you know this when you wrote about Mid-Atlantic Regional Spaceport ?? !!). The Pentagon demanded this, and RocketLab took it under the peak.
              Notice, the cosmodrome in N.Zelandia is located at 39 degrees south latitude, and the new one at 37 north latitude. At the same distance from the equator. This is again a spaceport for launching into orbits with a strong inclination.
              Quote: voyaka uh
              No Pentagon, intelligence or Konanykhinsky conspiracies

              Thug lures lollipops inside a beautiful kids van no
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                "Tell yourself this more often." ////
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                If for every next 10 launches of Ilona Mask rockets a new lecture by Konanykhin on the worthlessness of SpaceX appears on YouTube, then I will begin to consider this a good omen for this company good drinks
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                  new lecture by Konanykhin on SpaceX worthlessness will appear on YouTube

                  I don’t understand what are you talking about?
                  Any lectures by Konanykhin on the worthlessness of SpaceX? If not difficult, reset the link, please.
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                    Come on. Someone else is not aware of Konanykhin's "hot and inadequate love" for SpaceX?
                    Google "The pasta monster Ilona Mask, or the logical result of the adventure"
  • Ggc1 31 January 2020 21: 29 New
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    Finally, Boeing realized that their spaceplane could not compete with a space trampoline or a space elevator!
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    to turn around at that moment.

    Yeah, turn around and fly the other way. laughing
    Do not tell my horseshoes)
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  • 75 Sergey 31 January 2020 23: 05 New
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    That’s why they clung to Mars?
    Mars is a dead planet, the core stopped spinning as a result of external influences, there is no electromagnetic field, which is why the atmosphere was blown away.
    Who will be populated, outcasts? Well, let Musk lead them.
    Venus is more adapted for development, only you have to soar in the clouds, because the atmosphere is very dense.
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      That’s why they clung to Mars?
      Mars is a dead planet, the core stopped spinning as a result of external influences, there is no electromagnetic field, which is why the atmosphere was blown away.
      Who will be populated, outcasts? Well, let Musk lead them.
      Venus is more adapted for development, only you have to soar in the clouds, because the atmosphere is very dense.


      On Mars, you can create settlements, such as those on Antarctica, only underground and with greater autonomy, and this with the existing technical capabilities. Put reactors there, extract minerals and try to reach self-sufficiency of 1% - 5% - 10%, etc. You can get fuel for flights.

      What to do on Venus? Soar in the clouds? More sense from the development of asteroids like Ceres.
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        Quote: 75Sergey
        That’s why they clung to Mars?
        Mars is a dead planet


        On Mars, you can create settlements, such as those on Antarctica, only underground and with greater autonomy, and this with the existing technical capabilities. Put reactors there, extract minerals and try to reach self-sufficiency of 1% - 5% - 10%, etc. You can get fuel for flights.
        .

        on the moon it’s even easier to do.
        What for far dead Mars, if there is a close and much more important Moon for the Earth?
  • eklmn 31 January 2020 23: 05 New
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    The American Defense Research Agency DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) is indeed a research agency, but not just a defense one. I’m a longtime fan of this agency, as they have do (and achieve) interesting and amazing work and results.
    From their site:
    “With over 200 different science and technology programs, DARPA often has news to share. We regularly announce the launch of new programs, the conclusion of contracts and, most interestingly, the compelling results of our ongoing research. We strive to report our work and activities in a language that is understandable and appreciated by the whole circle of people in military and civilian positions who are interested in our work - from technical experts who need to know to people who simply consider our mission important and our achievements are exciting. ”
    Here is a list of topics for today (out of 200):
    “OFFSET Swarm system integrators demonstrate urban raid tactics.
    In a third field experiment under the DARPA Offensive Swarm-Tactics (OFFSET) program, swarms of autonomous air and ground vehicles were deployed to demonstrate the raid in urban areas. The OFFSET program provides for the creation of up to 250 cooperative autonomous systems providing critical information for small ground units in urban areas where limited lines of sight and limited spaces can hide dangers and limit mobility and communications. ”
    “Protection of Broadband RF Systems in Overloaded Electromagnetic Environments”
    “The Gremlins program completed the first flight tests of the X-61A”
    “DARPA selected and named teams to compete for the best passage of littered underground mines and tunnels”
    “Drinking water, on request and from the air.
    Providing drinking and drinking water for deployed servicemen operating in conditions of limited resources or difficult conditions is not an easy task. Logistic teams face a greater risk of water delivery and often suffer losses that could have been prevented. ”
    Etc. - Only about 200 projects. It is clear that not everyone will have a positive result, but the search for the new and the advanced will continue. The agency’s budget for 2020 is $ 3.5bn.
    Therefore, Boeing’s refusal from the DARPA program, I think, will not stop the search for cheap launches very much. Moreover, the number of companies to provide cheap launches has grown so much that even brokerage firms have appeared that are looking for your kg satellite weight cheap rockets at km altitude! And the US military also collaborates with little-known companies for low-cost launches.
    By the way - another company proposed to launch satellites by centrifuges and spin them into orbit, literally!
    “The company is building a huge centrifuge to accelerate rockets and send them into space.”
    https://www.wired.com/story/inside-spinlaunch-the-space-industrys-best-kept-secret/
    So the process goes on no matter what ....
  • Guazdilla 31 January 2020 23: 13 New
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    Phantom Express: the end of yet another American dream of accessible space

    If everyone is given, it will break bed... trampoline.
    https://yandex.ru/video/preview/?filmId=15245611554270932414&text=Если%20каждому%20давать%2C%20поломается%20...%20батут.&noreask=1&path=wizard&parent-reqid=1580501603520125-1661906380076296429400115-vla1-3671&redircnt=1580501905.1
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    And we are aware that this is driving them crazy. I’m very glad, ”said former US Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson
    What happens to women when they reach a certain "political weight" ?! Do they have schizophrenia developing from the realization of their own greatness? Clinton, now this ....
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    One very clever Russian, of Italian descent, said, “if you are behind someone, it’s not at all necessary to catch up with him, just go ahead.” By investing in Mask of the USA, they are trying to go in the wrong direction, they really need a technological breakthrough at all costs, otherwise their leadership will have a kirdyk with all the ensuing consequences.
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    However, in January 2020, Boeing suddenly refused to participate in the program.

    We will now redirect our investment from XSP to other Boeing programs that cover the maritime, air and space sectors.

    Usually this means that there are encouraging results and the program mentioned becomes top-secret as well as sources for its further financing. But it is possible that Boeing’s actions have both the 2nd and 3rd levels of meanings. Cowboys have this saying: "You can count to 10, stop at 8."
  • Alexander Evdokimov 1 February 2020 16: 16 New
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    Through trial and error, independence from time, the United States is looking for the best options for creating reliable aerospace technology. Degrees of risk are undoubtedly present here, but they go and look. And he who is seriously looking will always find. To the great regret, Russia has long gone to 2 or already to 3 plan. The second is China. And the problems are not only in financing, but not in the lack of formation of the space program. We shuffle from side to side, instead of concentrating resources in the main directions. Billions we swell in different projects, and then we refuse. Who defines everything - "Effective Managers"? The fundamental science in the space industry and the opinion of experts are destroyed. There are practically none. What are we creating now, at what stage and what is the prospect? What have we achieved in the space industry and research over the past 20 years? We noted an unprecedented theft at such important state facilities as the spaceport. Imagine what is happening a little lower! Everyone is already silent - there is nothing to say, just verbiage. It's a shame for the state.
    1. Alexander Evdokimov 1 February 2020 16: 47 New
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      Explain what did not please? Then I can correctly, enthusiastically write. What is not true that they stole and steal? All media talked about this and criminal cases one after another. What is not true when there is no formation of promising scientific research? What is not true, that hundreds of billions are spent on the implementation of projects and all in vain. This only confirms the lack of well-formed programs, ignoring the opinions of science and specialists. And is it not true that over the past 20 years there has been no significant success, except for a taxi in the form of "Unions"? And, what is wrong, what kind of power is insulting? They banned me, they still didn’t even say a word. That’s the whole and lying essence. Comrades are on the right track, Europe will appreciate you.
  • Alexander Lik 1 February 2020 16: 56 New
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    Mars is bullshit. Musk will smoke and begin flying immediately to Alpha Centauri.
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    Muskl builds a space brothel
    profit will be 1 billion for 1 flight
    but there is a small flaw in this prefect: the loot is tokmo among the Jews, and their God will not let Cosmos
  • Falcon5555 2 February 2020 00: 30 New
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    The magnetic field is negligible. And even having restored the atmosphere, cosmic radiation will kill all living things.

    If the atmosphere is restored, then it will absorb a significant part of cosmic radiation.
    The atmosphere is negligible, and even restore the atmosphere is pointless, it will fly into space.

    Will fly away, yes, due to low gravity and blowing away by the solar wind. But how fast? If the speed of its reproduction is greater than or equal, then everything is OK.
    Water is negligible. And the one that is unsuitable.
    There are no soils at all, hypothetical plants on the surface of Mars are impossible, which means it is impossible to create soil, to conduct terramorphing.
    Gravity is many times less. If you can still return to Earth, then your descendants are doomed to survive in that hell forever!

    Perhaps it’s so ... sad
    The absence of the ozone layer and oxygen in general means UV irradiation of the surface, which is deadly for all living things, all hypothetical plants that are supposed to conduct terramorphing are simply impossible, they will be burned out by the Sun.

    If the atmosphere is restored, this implies the presence of oxygen in it, respectively, and the ozone layer. Personally, I doubt that even the absence of ozone will be a problem for all plants. For example, in high latitudes it will not be important. And people will sunbathe less.
    The average temperature on Earth is +14 degrees, on Mars -63 degrees. Some plants for terramorphing, for pumping the atmosphere, are practically impossible. The hypothetical maximum is insignificant lichens at the equator, with a meager efficiency in biomass and oxygen.

    Yes, first an atmosphere with a greenhouse effect, then plant life.
    Having recreated the atmosphere (sisisoph labor), we may raise it to a plus, but all the same, life, theoretically, will be possible only at the Equator. But in practice, we are not able to pump up the atmosphere in principle. Technically unable to deliver about 10 ^ 15 tons of gases to Mars.
    As well as deliver water. For example, on Earth, its billion cubic kilometers.

    As far as I understand, nobody talks about the "importation" of gases or water. They think about getting everything there or from redirected comets, although the results of these thoughts are not encouraging. All this is now on the brink of fiction, or even beyond. In any case, as long as we humans build tanks and come up with bombs for mutual destruction, and not technology for universal salvation. But the Earth, apparently, is also far from eternal.
  • Basarev 2 February 2020 09: 11 New
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    Americans at least try to reduce the cost of space. And with us, on the contrary, all hope for expensive places in the Unions. Without them, even with all the subsidies, the space program in Russia will collapse. We have already surrendered all our positions and rolled into a miserable orbital cab, but we are not quite able to cope here either - remember the entire underwater constellation of satellites. And in this light, how dare we reproach American efforts in space in general? We ourselves are full of seams, we would be silent and correct the situation, but we just laugh.
  • 75 Sergey 2 February 2020 10: 28 New
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    Interestingly, but nothing can be pulled in the Ha-37?
  • honest people 2 February 2020 18: 35 New
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    Mask has been a meme lately. But for most people, all his statements cause a smile. As we say, all his crafts are a terrible collective farm

    The past quarter of the year ended with Tesla's record revenue of $ 7,384 billion, an increase in annual terms of 17%, and in quarterly terms - by 2%. The total gross margin in quarterly terms increased by 72 basis points - from 4,1% to 4,9% (but the annual decline was 87 basis points); GAAP operating profit was $ 359 million, which corresponds to a 38% increase in quarterly terms and a 13% decline in annual terms. Operating expenses rose slightly - from $ 1,029 billion to $ 1,032 billion. Of these, $ 345 million was spent on R&D, compared to $ 356 million a year earlier.
    Prospects
    Production (Fremont): Model S / Model X - 90, Model 000 / Model Y - 3 machines per year
    Production (Shanghai): Model 3 - 150 cars per year
    - Throughout 2020, car deliveries must exceed 500 units. Due to the production of Model 000 in Shanghai and Model Y in Fremont, production is likely to outstrip deliveries this year.
    - Solar and energy storage systems should increase by at least 50% in 2020.
    - We plan that the production volume of Model Y will be equivalent to Model 3.
    - We expect continued positive free cash flow in the quarters of 2020 with possible temporary exceptions, especially
    due to the launch of a new product line. We continue to believe that our business has grown to the level of self-financing.
    - We expect that in the future a positive GAAP net income will be received, with the exception of possible temporary quarters due to the launch of new products of the company.
    - We plan to produce limited volumes of Tesla Semi this year.
    - We will begin the first deliveries of Model Y by the end of the first quarter of 2020.
    - Production of Model Y in Shanghai will begin in 2021.
    - The first deliveries of cars with GigaFactory 4 in Germany are planned in 2021.
    - FSD (Full Self Driving) - full autonomous driving function
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    1. Magv 10 February 2020 06: 54 New
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      We continue to believe that our business has grown to the level of self-financing

      Funny
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    Quote: 75Sergey
    That’s why they clung to Mars?
    Mars is a dead planet.


    On Mars, you can create settlements, such as those on Antarctica, only underground and with greater autonomy, and this with the existing technical capabilities. Put reactors there, extract minerals and try to reach self-sufficiency of 1% - 5% - 10%, etc. You can get fuel for flights.
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    So on the moon it is even easier to do.
    What for far dead Mars, if there is a close and much more important Moon for the Earth?