“Criminal” and “Drinking”. Why NATO gives ridiculous nicknames for Russian weapons

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NATO has always been very closely following any news from Soviet and Russian weapons and military equipment. Even a special codification has been developed, and the names of the Russian aircraft or air defense systems give the most inexplicable.

When the North Atlantic Alliance learned about the latest Russian development - the fifth-generation fighter Su-57, he was immediately given the code name Felon: “Criminal”, “Criminal”. Perhaps such associations of the alliance officers were prompted by the invulnerability of the aircraft, or perhaps they were simply struck by the "audacity" with which Russia furnishes the West on the military-industrial front.



In 1986, a fourth-generation intercontinental ballistic missile R-36M2 Voyevoda was tested at Baikonur. In NATO, she was immediately called "Satan." The Russian missile system RT-2PM2 "Topol-M" was named "Sickle", and the famous anti-aircraft missile system S-400 "Triumph" - Growler, that is, "Grumble". But if “Satan” and “Criminal” still carry some charge of hatred and fear at the same time, then it’s quite difficult to explain the other code names of Russian and Soviet weapons.

Guess what NATO officers mean by Pan. Maybe some kind of field kitchen? No, they didn’t guess. This is the name of the passenger aircraft Tu-124, used at the time of the Soviet military transport aviation. IL-86, also equipped with Soviet military transport aircraft, was called Camber - "Curved", "Convex." Although it was curved or convex no more than other transport aircraft of that time.

Operating at the height of the Cold War, the Soviet Yak-28 multipurpose supersonic military jet aircraft in NATO codification was for some reason designated as Brewer - "Brewer", and the first Tu-22 model was even thought to be called Blinder - "Buster".

By the way, ordinary American soldiers first called the Tu-22 "Pretty Woman", but when the higher command found out about it, they immediately stopped such amateur activity and established the only official designation - "Drinking".

For some reason, the Ka-25, a Soviet ship-based anti-submarine helicopter in the codification of the North Atlantic Alliance, was called Hormone - "Hormone", but the Ka-50 - the famous "Black Shark" - has the more impressive name "Werewolf" or "Deceiver" in the West .

What explains the similar codification of Russian military equipment? One of the explanations that one often hears is that it is allegedly difficult for officers and generals of the army of the alliance to remember Russian-language abbreviations, they often confuse them with each other, and for their own convenience they came up with such designations.

But in fact, the reason for introducing codification is really serious. Each type of military equipment is indicated by a word starting with a certain letter. For example, fighters are designated by words starting with the letter F - and this is the “Criminal” Felon Su-57, and the MiG-17 with the much more strange name Fresco - “Fresco”.

Exactly the same model is codified by bombers, helicopters, transport aircraft, missiles, and so on. Therefore, the logic of such names is. When any soldier hears the designation, he immediately understands that we are talking about one of the types of fighters, helicopters, bombers. Moreover, by the number of syllables in a word, a soldier understands whether it is a piston or jet aircraft.

As for the general dismissive connotation of code names, NATO is convinced: giving unflattering names to military equipment and weapons of the enemy, they seem to “lower” them in the eyes of the military, laugh at the enemy and strengthen the morale of the personnel of their own armies.
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  1. +4
    31 January 2020 04: 59
    But in fact, the reason for introducing codification is really serious. Each type of military equipment is indicated by a word starting with a certain letter. For example, fighters are designated by words starting with the letter F - and this is the “Criminal” Felon Su-57, and the MiG-17 with the much more strange name Fresco - “Fresco”.
    Moreover, by the number of syllables in a word, a soldier understands whether it is a piston or jet aircraft.

    The author should also add that the designation in general should have no more than two syllables - for brevity in war is not a whim, but an urgent need.
    1. +15
      31 January 2020 05: 22
      Buddy has a favorite saying: Call at least Buoy (censorship) - Only more often Lick! laughing laughing feel
      Buoy - a float attached to the bottom ...
    2. +5
      31 January 2020 16: 49
      Brevity on the battlefield, yes, is important. Therefore, the Chinese and Japanese have nothing to catch. Our just shout on the air "f ** sh on the right" and the enemy did not manage to say "youbian qiängji shijiän tänke" - that's all, ours have already shot.
    3. +5
      31 January 2020 20: 35
      Quote: Kuroneko
      But in fact, the reason for introducing codification is really serious. Each type of military equipment is indicated by a word starting with a certain letter. For example, fighters are designated by words starting with the letter F - and this is the “Criminal” Felon Su-57, and the MiG-17 with the much more strange name Fresco - “Fresco”.
      Moreover, by the number of syllables in a word, a soldier understands whether it is a piston or jet aircraft.

      The author should also add that the designation in general should have no more than two syllables - for brevity in war is not a whim, but an urgent need.

      The author of the "game" added. Take "masterpiece" for example:
      Tu-22 generally thought of calling Blinder - "Drinking".

      So, "Blinder" is "The Blind Man", but in Polonsky's version, "Drinker". Where did the author learn English? In the video salon? belay
      1. +6
        31 January 2020 21: 22
        Considering that the Tu-22 has almost half a thousand liters of "sword" on board, the "Drinker" sounds somehow more organic than some vulgar "Blind". laughing
        1. +7
          31 January 2020 22: 29
          It is necessary to give a counter name for FU-35 "Garbage".
          1. +2
            1 February 2020 02: 35
            or "sediment" laughing
      2. +1
        1 February 2020 03: 50
        video salon?
        kiosk at the bus stop
      3. 0
        2 February 2020 02: 01
        Quote: fyvaprold
        So, "Blinder" is "The Blind Man", but in Polonsky's version, "Drinker". Where did the author learn English? In the video salon?

        We open Google, you are not banned there I hope? Read
        volume_upblinder {noun} RU
        physically attractive woman
        volume_upblind {adj.} RU
        blind not giving information about himself
        another option
        blinder (also: buster, debauch, hellbender, revelry) volume_up
        blindervolume_up eye cup [eyecup] {m}
        blindervolume_upspirushka {f}
        shield
        No wonder in the old days it was said -KNOWLEDGE FORCE
        1. 0
          6 February 2020 14: 14
          Fitter65 (Alexander.)


          Open Google
          A colleague searched Google for the meaning of the word gadget (I told him about M.N.Zadornov and his version). Found - email. device. But, it was necessary to search for the meaning of the word in the Oxford dictionary, because the word is old, then there was no electronics yet! (Sorry, REN-TV). So much for google!
    4. +4
      31 January 2020 22: 03
      Quote: Kuroneko
      The author should also add that the designation in general should have no more than two syllables - for brevity in war is not a whim, but an urgent need.

      Well, do not lag behind the adversary. F-16 - Snot, B - 52 - The old man loudly farts (The program does not allow writing in one word), Aircraft carrier - Trough, Abrams - Bullshit! Briefly and clearly. On the right, evil bullshit creeps ... No artificial intelligence will immediately realize what it is about.
    5. +1
      31 January 2020 22: 32
      Quote: Kuroneko
      the designation in general should have no more than two syllables

      For example "n + u + n + d + o + s".
    6. 0
      1 February 2020 12: 12
      Then it will look funnier- They shook off the "snot", blew "dung", did it after the "binge", fed ".....", scandalized "....". I think you can think of it yourself.
  2. +2
    31 January 2020 05: 06
    Our mentality is different from the NATO people, and there are such differences in the name of the weapon.
    If for us weapons are a means of protection, hence the affectionate names Tulip, Carnations and Acacia, Peonies and Hyacinths ... Chrysanthemum, etc.
    then for the Anglo-Saxons, weapons are a means of aggression and attack, and hence their awesome names ...
    At VO there was an article on this subject ...
    smile https://topwar.ru/13180-nesereznye-nazvaniya-sereznogo-oruzhiya.html
    1. -1
      31 January 2020 05: 37
      “Criminal” and “Drinking”. Why NATO gives ridiculous nicknames for Russian weapons
      they have a meager vocabulary, there is also "looking", "fryer", "urka" "outrageous", "dad", "owner" ... wassat By the way, it’s interesting to know how our people are calling other than "penguins", all sorts of "foreign cars"? winked
      1. +6
        31 January 2020 11: 32
        Quote: Aerodrome
        their vocabulary is scarce

        Here I propose, for example, Sarmat to call Edren Baton ... let him break your head with a translation. wassat
    2. 0
      31 January 2020 05: 39
      Quote: The same Lech
      Our mentality is different from the NATO people, and there are such differences in the name of the weapon.
      If for us weapons are a means of protection, hence the affectionate names Tulip, Carnations and Acacia, Peonies and Hyacinths ... Chrysanthemum, etc.
      then for the Anglo-Saxons, weapons are a means of aggression and attack, and hence their awesome names ...
      At VO there was an article on this subject ...
      smile https://topwar.ru/13180-nesereznye-nazvaniya-sereznogo-oruzhiya.html

      how do they translate "Buratino"? wassat
      1. +3
        31 January 2020 06: 34
        Quote: Aerodrome
        how do they translate "Buratino"?

        No way. Armored vehicles and tanks in the NATO system usually do not have nicknames, tk. bourgeois about them for some reason are quite satisfied with our notation system. Although there are exceptions - for example, "Tunguska" (SA-19 ​​"Grison"). But again, the nickname was given most likely because it still refers to "counterair "theme - and the NATO designation system breathes unevenly to everything flying (and sea).
        1. 0
          31 January 2020 06: 58
          Quote: Kuroneko
          Yes way.

          officially yes ... but on the sidelines I suspect ...
          1. +1
            31 January 2020 07: 02
            And also xs, because the same Yankees in the KMP and in the army have their unofficial slang historically quite different.
      2. +2
        31 January 2020 06: 40
        Not a very good joke, especially to our address "Pinocchio"
      3. +2
        31 January 2020 11: 12
        Quote: Aerodrome
        how do they translate "Buratino"?

        By the way, if sclerosis does not change me, then Pinocchio is practically unchanged. As for the other names ... let them exercise as they want. The essence of this from our weapons does not change.
        1. +1
          1 February 2020 16: 51
          Quote: NEXUS
          The essence of this from our weapons does not change.
          The essence does not change, it’s just all the time that it is outraged that in almost all articles about our weapons, except for our name, the authors consider it necessary to blunt the name according to NATO classification. Are you afraid that the enemy will get confused? There is a proposal to spit on their classification and forget forever. It's time to use your mind without looking back to the west.
    3. +4
      31 January 2020 05: 42
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      for Anglo-Saxons, weapons are a means of aggression and attack, and hence their awesome names.

      echoing: the Nazis loved this thing ... "tigers", "panthers", "elephanta". does not work.
      1. +5
        31 January 2020 11: 13
        Quote: Aerodrome
        echoing: the Nazis loved this thing ... "tigers", "panthers", "elephanta". does not work.

        We had "St. John's wort" for their cats.
    4. +1
      31 January 2020 12: 22
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      If for us weapons are a means of protection, hence the affectionate names Tulip, Carnations and Acacia, Peonies and Hyacinths ... Chrysanthemum, etc.
      then for the Anglo-Saxons, weapons are a means of aggression and attack, and hence their awesome names ...
      At VO there was an article on this subject ...

      I think that in that article the author himself obviously never chose the name of the development or modification of equipment or weapons, which is why he writes:
      The names of Russian weapons are often unusual, witty, and sometimes even flirty.

      In fact, the customer is given a list of names, from which he can choose the name that he considers acceptable, and after that a code is assigned to the new development, which will be used by civil structures at all stages from research and development to mass production. But what specific name according to the military classifier will be assigned to a particular model is decided on the basis of the classification adopted by the military, where certain letters and numbers are laid. By the way, sometimes you come across the same names of a particular development, but with a spread over the years and types of weapons. So no one puts any originality into the title of this or that work. True, I know of a case when one research project was named after the restaurant, in which the successful delivery of the previous development was washed, and that restaurant was called "Zaseka".
      1. Alf
        +1
        31 January 2020 20: 40
        Quote: ccsr
        True, I know a case when one research project was named after a restaurant in which the successful delivery of the previous development was washed, and that restaurant was called "Zaseka".

        Looks like they washed well ...
        1. +2
          1 February 2020 11: 24
          Quote: Alf
          Looks like they washed well ...

          I would not say the usual event of those times. There was such a tradition in Soviet times, when developers successfully completed research or development work, received awards, often quite decent, and invited customers to a banquet - after several years of working together, trusting relationships developed, and this did not contradict our traditions and did not worsen the quality of work.
          1. Alf
            0
            1 February 2020 19: 06
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Alf
            Looks like they washed well ...

            I would not say the usual event of those times. There was such a tradition in Soviet times, when developers successfully completed research or development work, received awards, often quite decent, and invited customers to a banquet - after several years of working together, trusting relationships developed, and this did not contradict our traditions and did not worsen the quality of work.

            I am well aware of such an event and do not consider it something indecent. I mean, such a wash is then a topic for jokes for the participants.
            "Our comrade Sadchikov recently rode like that at the club as the head of the shop." laughing
    5. 0
      31 January 2020 14: 34
      >>> affectionate names Tulip, Carnations and Acacia, Peonies and Hyacinths ... Chrysanthemum, etc. <<
      Affectionate are only pediment animated. Well, they can’t be called. hi
      1. 0
        31 January 2020 15: 19
        "Sweet words". Is the word an animate object?
  3. +14
    31 January 2020 05: 24
    In this case, Blinder is not a "binge". smile
    On the Tu-22, the pilots had poor visibility, so the Americans called it "blind", which is very logical.
    1. +5
      31 January 2020 05: 38
      Quote: Herrr
      In this case, Blinder is not a "binge".
      On the Tu-22, the pilots had poor visibility, so the Americans called it "blind", which is very logical.

      there is such a thing.
    2. +3
      31 January 2020 11: 14
      Quote: Herrr
      On the Tu-22, the pilots had poor visibility, so the Americans called it "blind", which is very logical.

      Well, we nicknamed him "Shiloh".
      1. +3
        31 January 2020 11: 29
        Quote: NEXUS
        Well, we nicknamed him "Shiloh".

        pil.da ... killer thing! laughing
        1. 0
          3 February 2020 05: 41
          pil.da ... killer thing!

          very doubtful. Tk "awl" some (not all, more often called "drinker") called the plane itself. A mixture of water and alcohol 981800T in the air conditioning system of the IMSC was called a sword. In a decanter (tu16), she was poured into an azalea (jamming station SPS-64)
    3. +5
      31 January 2020 13: 01
      In this case, Blinder is not a "binge"


      Absolutely true. Also in the West the names of bombers always start with the letter "B", fighters with "F" (fighter) and so on. And how should they call a technique if words are limited? I think it's not worth looking for a deep meaning here.
      1. +4
        31 January 2020 13: 12
        Basically it is. They scorch nicknames in white light like a pretty penny. But from time to time, oddly enough, still fall into the very top of the shoe. wink
  4. +2
    31 January 2020 06: 00
    Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov was right: the Amerz language is the transmission of information, no more. And in Russian - an explosion of emotions, a scattering of meanings.
    1. +10
      31 January 2020 06: 17
      Quote: Kamchatka
      Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov was right: the Amerz language is the transmission of information, no more. And in Russian - an explosion of emotions, a scattering of meanings.

      and this is still without a mat. wassat
    2. +6
      31 January 2020 13: 15
      Quote: Kamchatka
      Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov was right: the Amerz language is the transmission of information, no more. And in Russian - an explosion of emotions, a scattering of meanings.

      Zadornov greatly underestimates the Anglo-Saxons, including their ability to self-irony and the use of English for these purposes. For example, the patriotic American admiralty called the aircraft carrier "Enterprise" "Big E", and the sailor, with a cheerful disposition and sharp tongue, quickly modified this name. First to Biggy, then to Piggy, and eventually to Pig. laughing
      So it’s normal there they have everything with language.
  5. -1
    31 January 2020 06: 16
    Nowadays, too much attention is paid to the opinion of the West. Yes, let them call, whatever they want. If only the action of the weapon was such as it was conceived by the developers.
    1. 0
      31 January 2020 06: 19
      Quote: Gardamir
      If only the action of the weapon was such as it was conceived by the developers.

      if only THESE thought.
      1. 0
        31 January 2020 06: 21
        Could be so.
  6. -1
    31 January 2020 06: 27
    Let's call them something like that.
    Are there really few beautiful and tender words in Russian?
  7. +10
    31 January 2020 06: 36
    The aircraft carrier Enterprise at one time had the call sign Climax. So the Americans are kidding themselves too.
    1. +5
      31 January 2020 11: 49
      The Chinese also called their aircraft carrier fun, and the popular vote on the Internet.
      The aircraft carrier was given the name of the mantis shrimp 皮皮 虾 (pipixia) - in Russian it is transcribed as "Pipi Xia". This crayfish, by the way, is a famous culinary delicacy in China. smile
    2. +5
      31 January 2020 13: 17
      Quote: Amateur
      The aircraft carrier Enterprise

      He is Big E, or Biggy for short. Or even more abbreviated as Piggy. Or even more briefly - Pig. And it's all the Americans themselves, not us))))
      He was also called Enterprison. Apparently, the service for the rank and file is far from paradise.
  8. +1
    31 January 2020 06: 37
    As for the general dismissive connotation of code names, NATO is convinced

    Mortars "Sleigh" or "Tray" were also called by NATO envious? wink
    1. 0
      1 February 2020 15: 55
      "Sleigh" very accurately reflect the essence - a portable mortar - drag it like a sledge) "Tray" - is there a complete analogy here - is the base plate not a tray?)
      1. -2
        1 February 2020 17: 08
        Yes, and mine enemy, get under your nose! Or, laughing on you, hyacinth on the coffin! An analogy that has no analogues.
  9. -1
    31 January 2020 06: 54
    If the classification of our weapons can still be understood, but this is not amenable to logic.
    the first Tu-22 model in general came up with the name Blinder - “Drinking”.
    Or maybe by the principle - who survived the bombardment can safely go into a bout?
    1. 0
      31 January 2020 11: 32
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If the classification of our weapons can still be understood, but this is not amenable to logic.
      the first Tu-22 model in general came up with the name Blinder - “Drinking”.
      Or maybe by the principle - who survived the bombardment can safely go into a bout?

      second birthday, it is worth noting. Yes
    2. 0
      1 February 2020 12: 39
      Blinder- "Blind Man". Here we hit the spot: the view from the cockpit of the Tu-22 (not the M3, but the initial one, in some of the native units called "Shilo") - no, that when landing - not at all "gut.
  10. +3
    31 January 2020 09: 07
    They are introduced because of the frequent impossibility of determining the name (for example, the Su-57 was christened quite late, and in Soviet times they could get a picture of some T-10 and not even know this designation) and the ease of understanding by ordinary Ji-ai, which is roughly what they are dealing with ... Sometimes the names are cool, like, Frogfoot, sometimes ours like it, like the same Fulcrum, and the crews of the "Bears" should flatter such a nickname.

    Well, Flanker isn’t what hunting wants to meet in battle.
    1. +1
      31 January 2020 11: 36
      Quote: EvilLion
      Well, Flanker isn’t what hunting wants to meet in battle.

      after Vietnam, they don’t want to meet at all. and therefore they hit air defense, and airfields in the first place.
  11. -1
    31 January 2020 12: 29
    But we are interested in the conventional designations of NATO technology? I didn’t hear something
  12. +3
    31 January 2020 12: 55
    Randomly, according to the first letter of the nomenclature, where F-Fighter, A-Attack, B-Bomber, C-Cargo
    1. +3
      31 January 2020 21: 32
      Quote: Bersaglieri
      Randomly, according to the first letter of the nomenclature, where F-Fighter, A-Attack, B-Bomber, C-Cargo

      At least one normal and correct post ...
      Anti-aircraft mounts on G

      SA-3GOA
      SA-4 GANEF
      SA-6 GAINFUL
      SA-7 GRAIL
      SA-8 GECKO
      SA-9 GASKIN
      SA-11 GADFLY
      SA-12 GLADIATOR
      SA-13 GOPHER
      SA-14 GREMLIN
      SA-15 GAUNTLET
      SA-16 GIMLET
      SA-17 GRIZZLY
      SA-18 GROUSE
      SA-19 ​​GRISON
      SA-22 GREYHOUND
      SA-24 Grinch
      SA-23 GIANT

      And so on.

      And the author of the article, who simply does not understand anything in military subjects, is a simpleton ...
      1. 0
        1 February 2020 12: 36
        Well, Duc, "creators" don't like to study materiel ...
  13. +1
    31 January 2020 12: 57
    The native names of weapon themes and finished products are also funny :) For example, "flower garden" in artillery. Or grenade launcher complexes CH "Silence" and "Canary"
    1. sss
      0
      1 February 2020 09: 29
      I like "Silence", but in my opinion, it was removed from service. I wonder how quiet a grenade can explode?
  14. +1
    31 January 2020 13: 26
    In 1986, at the Baikonur, a two-stage intercontinental ballistic missile of the fourth generation R-36M2 Voevoda was tested. In NATO, she was immediately called "Satan." Russian missile system RT-2PM2 "Topol-M" received the name "Sickle"

    The name "Satan" was given not to the R-36M2 Voevoda ICBM, but to the entire family of R-36M missiles, that is, both 15A14 (R-36M) and 15A18 (R-36M UTTH), and of course the R-36M2 Voevoda (15A18M).
    In the same way, the name "Serp" was given not only to the RT-2PM2 Topol-M, but initially to the RT-2PM Topol.

    In general, to look for meaning in the names of technology, what they have, what we have has no meaning. There are nomenclature directories, from where all these names come from. And if the West at least tries to justify giving the name to the Soviet (Russian) technology by the fact that it is easier for the pilot to say "Fitter-E" on your tail than to pronounce the phrase "You have Sukhoi-17 on your tail.

    Quote: The same LYOKHA
    Our mentality is different from the NATO people, and there are such differences in the name of the weapon.
    If for us weapons are a means of protection, hence the affectionate names Tulip, Carnations and Acacia, Peonies and Hyacinths ... Chrysanthemum, etc.

    The mentality is really different, but sometimes our names are not affectionate at all: "Owl", "Hawk", "Korshun", and sometimes it is not clear what the name means: Infauna, Slavyanover ...

    Quote: Aerodrome
    “Criminal” and “Drinking”. Why NATO gives ridiculous nicknames for Russian weapons
    they have a meager vocabulary, there is also "looking", "fryer", "urka" "outrageous", "dad", "owner" ... wassat By the way, it’s interesting to know how our people are calling other than "penguins", all sorts of "foreign cars"? winked

    Yeah. Therefore, they still gave us several thousand names with a meager stock. And I will repeat again. There are nomenclature reference books, the names in which sometimes do not make sense, and the main thing is that one or another of our technical equipment, which we give a name to both at the level of research, and at the level of R&D and at the level of finished equipment, is not associated with one or another technique. For example, what can the name be associated with, for example "Tusks" or "Belladonna"?

    Quote: rotmistr60
    If the classification of our weapons can still be understood, but this is not amenable to logic.

    You can understand the logic inherent in our classifiers when an index is given, for example 2Axx or 11 Fxx. But by no means are the names given to R&D and R&D projects. There is no logic there either. One complex may have the name of a river (for example, "Oka" or "Volga"), the second was generally called "Pioneer", and the third - "Speed". As there is sometimes no logic in the names of our ships. When a series may include names that characterize a ship, for example "Terrible", another name is given in honor of the legendary cruiser, and the third is the name of the naval commander.

    Quote: CommanderDIVA
    But we are interested in the conventional designations of NATO technology? I didn’t hear something

    I have not seen it either, and it makes no sense. It is we who secret both our names and our indexes, and their names become known immediately after being put into service. And what kind of index they have there - we often do not know, they are known by their names. Yes, and their classifier has been known to us almost since the 60s, but ours is still a "secret behind seven seals." And only with the development of the Internet, our technology indexes began to appear, by the way, not secret ...
  15. -4
    31 January 2020 13: 56
    We copy the West so often that in the names of military equipment it’s a sin not to repeat their Western experience.
    They call ours, we assign slang names to their technique, in their own way, loving and with meaning.
    For example: not a F-35, but a "penguin", not an F-22, but a "freak", not a zamvolt, but a "trough" ..... and so on.
    The Russian language is rich, there is a decent name for any wunderwafer ....
  16. +1
    31 January 2020 15: 12
    Yes, to neglect the enemy is the surest way to instill confidence in your soldiers.
  17. -1
    31 January 2020 15: 16
    Russophobia and the stupidity of the British convicts inhabiting the United States takes on various, absurd, shades ...
    1. +2
      1 February 2020 13: 26
      Russophobia and the stupidity of the British convicts living in the United States,

      Actually, British convicts will populate Australia.
      crying tongue
      1. +3
        1 February 2020 13: 29
        They were evicted to both Australia and the USA ... New York was originally Dutch and called New Amsterdam, after an unsuccessful war with England it was formally sold to the British and started ... All animals of England, murderers and repeat offenders were exiled to the USA and Australia .. In those days, exile in the colony was considered a heavy punishment ...
  18. +1
    31 January 2020 15: 30
    Yes, we also have our constructors, Hochmachi. A grenade with an underbarrel grenade launcher. Handcuffs, tenderness. Examples of darkness.
    1. 0
      31 January 2020 17: 18
      And WHY, in general, our journalists, observers and others constantly recall the Western classification of our weapons, alien to us, both to and from place and to out of place they repeat the nicknames for OUR weapons invented by someone in the West, they have absolutely no respect for their country, for those workers , engineers, scientists who created models of military equipment, or it was they who developed such a bad habit of imitation, and if you give a nickname to such a low-worshiped journalist or his children, he will probably be offended, will he?
      If someone believes that using someone else’s classification is a sign of professionalism, it’s not, it’s rather a sign of a parrot with a monkey.
      1. Alf
        +2
        31 January 2020 20: 44
        Quote: agond
        they have absolutely no respect for their country,

        Judging by the frequency of expressions like "Casting, cleaning manager, security, coffee break" it is not there at all.
  19. +1
    31 January 2020 17: 04
    Well dolbyotyatly what to take from them.
  20. -1
    31 January 2020 22: 39
    The meaningfulness of the name is sacrificed to sonority, brevity, entanglement and intelligibility of communication.
    In a similar way, they form their callsigns. I think ours are doing the same. During the Second World War the Messerschmitts were called "thin", the scout FV-189 - "frame".
  21. 0
    31 January 2020 22: 59
    Well, you don’t have to invent and search for the secret meaning, they have to pronounce our SU-57, TU-22M3, TU-160 for a very long time and tedious, that’s what they say.
    This is just a symbol.
    1. +2
      1 February 2020 11: 29
      Quote: 75Sergey
      to pronounce them our SU-57, TU-22M3, TU-160 for a very long time and tedious, that’s what they say.

      Quite right - this is done precisely so that the human ear can distinguish a conventional name in an environment of noise and interference, which exist especially in the field.
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    0
    1 February 2020 09: 37
    "Topol-M" was named "Serp" - I like it. I wonder if they know the expression - "Sickle by" causal place?
  23. 0
    1 February 2020 11: 56
    There is nothing to do with how they call names; this is their internal abominable affair. But that’s why we ape and very often repeat the names they invented. That is the question?
    1. 0
      1 February 2020 12: 41
      And that religion does not allow its to be invented, otherwise our OCDs are sometimes no better. Take even our aviation pride - the Su-57. Not even a suitable name was invented to come up with.
  24. 0
    1 February 2020 13: 22
    Why NATO gives ridiculous nicknames to Russian weapons

    Why are they voiced at all in Russia? All their names must be ignored.
    stop
  25. -1
    1 February 2020 14: 17
    Quote: prior
    We copy the West so often that in the names of military equipment it’s a sin not to repeat their Western experience.
    They call ours, we assign slang names to their technique, in their own way, loving and with meaning.
    For example: not a F-35, but a "penguin", not an F-22, but a "freak", not a zamvolt, but a "trough" ..... and so on.
    The Russian language is rich, there is a decent name for any wunderwafer ....

    Vlad! The names you listed are not officially accepted names. And "folk art". And I have not met the official names of Western technology, given by us. We call them what they are called. Moreover, if we have several names of Western technology as a result of "folk art" - then this is a drop in the ocean. Well, we called their three "stealth" derogatory names. So? You can list several dozen of their ballistic missiles, several dozen of their aircraft and ships, and several hundred examples of the rifle. And we call everything by the names they have.
    So this is not a repetition of Western experience, but a pathetic attempt ...

    Quote: agond
    And WHY, in general, our journalists, observers and others constantly recall the Western classification of our weapons, alien to us, both to and from place and to out of place they repeat the nicknames for OUR weapons invented by someone in the West, they have absolutely no respect for their country, for those workers , engineers, scientists who created models of military equipment, or it was they who developed such a bad habit of imitation, and if you give a nickname to such a low-worshiped journalist or his children, he will probably be offended, will he?
    If someone believes that using someone else’s classification is a sign of professionalism, it’s not, it’s rather a sign of a parrot with a monkey.

    But because we do not know the overwhelming majority of the names of the "topics" of our weapons. From the word at all. Therefore, at times, to make it clear for everyone who is in the subject, it is easier to name the western name of the weapon and then detail it. And this is not about respect or disrespect for your country. For a long time we simply did not know our designations, and the issues of R&D, R&D or the names of finished samples are almost unknown at all. This was especially typical for samples of rocket, aviation and marine technology. How many people will understand what it is about if, for example, I say the following. Was the work carried out within the framework of research work on the topic "Earth", or "Ural", or that the rocket was created on the basis of the development of the rocket on the topic "Hill"?
    1. 0
      2 February 2020 01: 10
      We have a different mentality and thank God!
  26. +2
    1 February 2020 15: 55
    were struck by the "impudence" with which Russia furnishes the West on the military-industrial front.

    Question to the author - where does Russia furnish? Well, except for a hypersonic weapon and one that no one has yet seen in action? It is with SU-57 where exactly does Russia furnish the West? Why are such articles like that of this author laid out on a reputable VO resource?
  27. -1
    1 February 2020 16: 57
    This is a small part of the American plan to demonize Russia. We should also call their weapons so that it reflects their actions. F-35 - "bastard" from the word to shit, aircraft carriers - "annexors", cruise missiles - "termites" ... well, everything like that.
  28. +1
    1 February 2020 19: 27
    Theme sucked from the finger. In 3.14ndos, the names of the aircraft are simple sucked from the finger without the slightest nested meaning. All fighters with the letter F, bombers with B, transporters with C, attack aircraft A. And what word will they do not care, they choose from the dictionary, as from a random number generator. Su-25 frog foot, think conceived derogatory meaning? And his pandopolosatik A-10 Warthog, in the common people Thunderbolt - is it glorifying? And in the Migovsky Bassoon and subsequent Beater, Flankovy, etc., what is the difference?
  29. 0
    1 February 2020 20: 35
    Quote: akarfoxhound
    Theme sucked from the finger.

    Moreover, this topic is not the first time. I frankly do not care, all these names. And if there is a need and it is convenient for me, I also use the American naming system. I use the NATO system much less frequently. Too lazy to remember all these names, especially for aviation. With rocketry simpler, unlike aviation, there are US designations, and not just NATO, and preliminary (temporary) designations at the test site (training grounds). This sometimes allows us to more accurately identify our technology ....
  30. -1
    3 February 2020 18: 07
    Well, we call them one capacious and exact name - pin
  31. -1
    5 February 2020 07: 59
    kindergarten - briefs with straps ...
  32. 0
    30 June 2020 21: 45
    Since childhood, I did not understand these names, and with age, the misunderstanding grew stronger, growing into rejection. I began to delve into the ovic language a little (sorry, after they think that it is okay to call our MiG-23 flogger, otherwise I will not call any variants of English as ovish). And here my misunderstanding became very deep. Well, to hell with them, NATO. And our, then, TV programs, for example, use these "nicknames" why? and on quite, seemingly patriotic channels, such as the Star of the same. Moreover, there is an hour-long broadcast dedicated to one aircraft, the message is all like that, and they represent an aircraft, for example, a MiG-31, according to the NATO classification of a Foxhound ... Yes, WHAT does it make a difference to a resident of our country, what is his ENEMY calling? Who goes to international exhibitions, and so knows these vile nicknames, but for ordinary people why? But these vile nicknames are even used by official channels, and even in joint production with KB. And they present it as the norm. As if not realizing that the flanker is humiliating, and not at all a wonderful fighter, which, of course, the Su-27 is.