In the US, they gave forecasts about the possible cost of oil at $ 180 per barrel


The US Department of Energy is predicting a significant increase in oil prices, which could reach $ 180 per barrel.


True, the forecast says that this will happen by 2050. The increase in value will be caused by rising costs in oil production.

The ministry believes that 2022 will be the peak for the United States in terms of oil production. Then it can reach 14 million barrels per day. By this year, the country will produce the last easily recoverable oil, after which its extraction will be accompanied by high costs. As a result, cost increases will lead to higher prices for raw materials.

In the short term, the reverse process is going on - oil is getting cheaper, and its value will not grow in the coming years. Now the price of Brent crude oil has reached the level of about $ 60 per barrel and, possibly, will continue to decline.

Valery Vaysberg, director of the analytical department of the Region investment company, believes that one of the additional factors causing the price reduction is the outbreak of coronavirus in China. In his opinion, it caused a certain slowdown in the growth of the global economy and, accordingly, a decrease in oil consumption.
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  1. voyaka uh 30 January 2020 11: 56 New
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    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world. Accordingly, a decrease in demand for gasoline, diesel fuel and motor oil. In countries where electric cars are more common, motor oil dealers have already reported sharp declines in sales and losses.
    1. Stalllker 30 January 2020 12: 02 New
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      What is the increase in the number of electric cars ??? laughing how banged, right like that fellow
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      2. Nikitich 30 January 2020 12: 16 New
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        The man wrote `` in the world '', not in Russia!
        1. Stalllker 30 January 2020 16: 41 New
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          Did I write in Russia ???? laughing laughing laughing
      3. RUSS 30 January 2020 12: 37 New
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        Quote: Stalllker
        What is the increase in the number of electric cars ??? laughing how banged, right like that fellow

        In 2017, the Paris City Council decided that by 2030 it will be possible to move in the city only by electric vehicles. All gasoline and diesel engines will be banned.

        According to officials, France itself also plans to switch to environmentally friendly cars by 2040. But first, such a transition must be implemented in large cities, which today are the most polluted.
        1. notingem 30 January 2020 13: 18 New
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          Understood. Only those who made this decision by 2040 will simply die. Very subtly
          1. RUSS 30 January 2020 13: 53 New
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            Quote: notingem
            Understood. Only those who made this decision by 2040 will simply die. Very subtly

            No need to judge by Russian realities
          2. Stas 2rep 30 January 2020 15: 29 New
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            I don’t know how it will be, but now in Paris and the suburbs of 10-15 percent of electric vehicles
            1. Ros 56 30 January 2020 16: 11 New
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              And they are mainly migrants. bully
        2. Stalllker 30 January 2020 16: 45 New
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          Decided????!!!! wassat interesting regulatory document wassat
      4. smart ass 1 February 2020 11: 42 New
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        He says about developed countries
    2. carstorm 11 30 January 2020 12: 04 New
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      how to calculate it if almost everywhere sales are subsidized by electric cars?) won in China reduced subsidies and immediately a drop in sales right away) Trump's dispute with the California authorities on the rules of fuel economy and the market shakes again) too many unknowns in this equation so everything is logical.
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    3. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 12: 04 New
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      electric cars are nonsense like epl, make you spend money on g.))))
      1. RUSS 30 January 2020 12: 42 New
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        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        electric cars are nonsense like epl, make you spend money on g.))))


        Tesla announces revenue growth of 2% with record deliveries of electric vehicles
        In the IV quarter of 2019, Tesla delivered to customers more than 112 new electric vehicles, this is a record number for the company. Compared to the previous year, deliveries grew by 000%, while the company's revenue grew by 23% to $ 2 billion. This is stated in the company's published report.

        The company noted that 2019 was a turning point for Tesla. Hopes for further growth here are associated with high demand for Model 3 electric cars and the launch of a factory in Shanghai. Tesla is building a factory in China with a design capacity of 500 electric vehicles per year. In total, over the past year, the company produced over 000 cars.
        1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 12: 58 New
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          this is a global divorce of suckers)))))) basically all electric power is generated by coal, oil and gas, the need for fuel will not decrease
          1. Sergey39 30 January 2020 13: 13 New
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            That's how it is, plus the production of all kinds of plastics, plastics, oils, etc. also will not decrease. But electric cars will occupy their considerable niche. But it will be a niche for cheap city cars
            1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 13: 17 New
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              only if city transport, and personal cars is like an iPhone for divorce
              1. chenia 30 January 2020 17: 30 New
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                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                only if city transport


                You coolly wiping the nose of peasants (and they sneakily pass you by). Batteries will never replace chemical fuel (there is an order of magnitude more energy (specific)). Charging in the future by an order of magnitude (now two longer). Ecology, purely local (the material for the batteries is a solid eco-horror, and then recycling), the losses are higher (overall efficiency-generation of electric energy plus losses on the line. Transformation and only then the efficiency of the electric motor is -95%).

                You just need to tie up the depreciating world money.
                1. Nastia makarova 31 January 2020 07: 55 New
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                  thanks for the support!)))) there are minuses but most put pluses))))
            2. _Sergei_ 30 January 2020 14: 19 New
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              In general, it is not cheap when buying, but cheaper in operation. For example, a Nissan-electro costs 1100 thousand rubles, and a similar one costs 600 rubles. And if I can go somewhere to rest on gasoline, then electric trips around the city take electric trips and no further. If you need only for the city, then electric.
              1. Sergey39 30 January 2020 14: 42 New
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                Prices for them will fall over time and become cheaper cars with ICE, but here it all comes down to the issue of generating electricity. While there is no real alternative to fossils.
              2. Oyo Sarkazmi 30 January 2020 20: 05 New
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                For example, Nissan-electro costs 1100 thousand rubles, and the like on gasoline 600.

                While electric refills are free. But from the New Year - instead of 8 euros per connection, and charge as much as you want (in Europe) - 0,78 per kilowatt hour. The bodice is 35 kilowatt-hours, 27 euros "refueling". At 100 km. Tesla - under 100. With the elimination of coal and nuclear power, electricity per kilowatt will become more expensive than a liter of solarium.
            3. Shaitan_by 30 January 2020 16: 46 New
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              But it will be a niche for cheap city cars

              Rather expensive, but required by law.
          2. SAG
            SAG 30 January 2020 22: 36 New
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            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            this is a global divorce of suckers)))))) basically all electric power is generated by coal, oil and gas, the need for fuel will not decrease

            Only not in France, there 70% of nuclear energy hi
            1. Nastia makarova 31 January 2020 07: 58 New
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              while nuclear, with their running around with ecology, will also be turned off as in Germany
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                France ranks second in the world in the amount of energy produced by nuclear power plants, and in first place in the world in terms of the share of nuclear energy.
          3. vadimtt 31 January 2020 07: 10 New
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            Divorce but not divorce laughing
            1. We remove the source of harmful emissions from cities (only for this we can continue the epic with electric cars.
            2. The efficiency of fuel combustion in the internal combustion engine of a car and in an industrial boiler of a power plant (or even in a gas turbine) are two big differences, both in terms of saving resources and ecology.

            So electric transport is inevitable.
            And given Rosatom, it’s also very profitable on the horizon of 2050 hi
        2. Durman_54 30 January 2020 13: 18 New
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          Oh well. In Europe, the largest electric charging network raised the tariff to 0.75 euros. And suddenly it turned out that for an amount similar to a full charge, you can buy gasoline, which is enough for the same amount and 300 km from above. As the saying goes, how do you like it, Elon Musk?
          And this is only the first swallow. Further, any sucker, driven by "profitability" and "environmental friendliness" will pay more and more. And the owners of conventional cars will be pressed harder and harder.
          Hooray for a brighter future.
          1. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 14: 34 New
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            Quote: Durman_54
            Hooray for a brighter future.

            and then subsidies for green energy like windmills and solar panels will be canceled. A freebie cannot be eternal. here the final part of the comedy begins wink
          2. Fikys 30 January 2020 17: 26 New
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            In Europe, the largest electric charging network raised the tariff to 0.75 euros

            First, don’t be too lazy to find out who owns this “largest network”. Secondly, in this network there are two hundred stations in twenty countries, i.e. an average of 10 stations in the country. In Vladivostok alone, only RusHydro has so much laughing
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            Then any sucker, driven on "profitability"

            I bought an electric car for 300kr, for a year only direct fuel savings, at a minimum, was 50kr. For me it is real money, besides the fact that it is just nice to ride on it. So which of us is a sucker ?!
            1. Durman_54 30 January 2020 18: 13 New
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              Quote: Fikys

              First, don’t be too lazy to find out who owns this “largest network”. Secondly, in this network there are two hundred stations in twenty countries, i.e. an average of 10 stations in the country. In Vladivostok alone, only RusHydro has so much laughing

              Companies that are going to suddenly abandon ICE and try to create a network that is competitive with Tesla? Conspiracy theories are such theories.
              One of the largest, if it makes you feel better.
              Quote: Fikys

              I bought an electric car for 300kr, for a year only direct fuel savings, at a minimum, was 50kr. For me it is real money, besides the fact that it is just nice to ride on it. So which of us is a sucker ?!

              Oh yes, the BUSH prilny bodice is our benchmark for a pleasant ride. Especially with its 100 km run in summer, and 50 in winter. Or the most relish, put a diesel stove so that the electric motor does not gobble up the whole battery for heating.
              1. Fikys 30 January 2020 18: 26 New
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                Quote: Durman_54
                Companies that are about to suddenly abandon ICE

                Are you going to do it yourself ?! Or are they very convincingly asked? And they are trying to technically move out of this topic, because profits from producing cars with ICE are much higher than with electric.
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                BUSH prulny bodice we have a standard of pleasant ride

                Firstly, I don’t have a Leaf, but it doesn’t matter, and secondly, where did I talk about the standard? Well, and thirdly, the average mileage of a car in Russia is 50 km per day, so a power reserve of 100 km is enough for most. And further. Do you know how much diesel per hour an autonomous heater consumes? How much car?
                1. Durman_54 30 January 2020 18: 55 New
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                  Themselves, not yourself, what's the difference? They still will not go anywhere. The engine nuts tighten too much to slide out. Although, frankly, there are less harmful emissions in Euro 6 than from me on the morning of the first of January.
                  You can walk to Auchan and back, but this is lyrics. Further than these 100 km (in ideal conditions) you need to go, what to do? Further, charging this miracle is like if neither a garage nor a private house? Throw a carrying out of a window? And the battery will also have to be replaced someday, and the older (and cheaper) the car, the closer this period. And oh, it’s not cheap.
                  Well, about diesel fuel, it was just very funny to read one guy who drowned for the environment who put such a stove. Moreover, the electricity from the nearest "super-ecological" TPP.
                  1. Fikys 30 January 2020 19: 20 New
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                    Further than these 100 km (in ideal conditions) you need to go, what to do?

                    This is already out of town, while it is also possible on a gasoline, then fast charging in roadside cafes will be done.
                    Quote: Durman_54
                    Throw a carrying out of a window?

                    No need, it’s better to negotiate with the Criminal Code and from the basement shield, through the meter, power the outlet on the wall of the house, as one of the options.
                    Quote: Durman_54
                    And the battery will also have to be replaced someday, and the older (and cheaper) the car, the closer this period. And oh, it’s not cheap.

                    Not everything is as scary as it seems at first glance. Take the same Leaf - the manufacturer claims 2000 charge-discharge cycles for the battery, with an average mileage of 100 km it is 200000 km, or 10 years of operation, this is until the capacity decreases to 70%, and the capacity decreases nonlinearly, the further, the less, i.e. . a 15-year-old car will have a power reserve of not 100km (like an eight-year) but 70-80km, which will allow it to be sold for very real money. There are also models on lithium-titanate batteries, they have over 15000 charge-discharge cycles, which completely removes the issue of replacing the battery.
                    1. Durman_54 30 January 2020 19: 39 New
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                      This is already out of town, while it is also possible on a gasoline, then fast charging in roadside cafes will be done.

                      Well, that is, the train is like a second car. This is already killing the idea of ​​saving. Not to mention the fact that the shop with cheap exercises by the time they have each cafe is sure to be covered. Actually, in Europe they have already begun.
                      Quote: Fikys

                      There are also models on lithium-titanate batteries, they have over 15000 charge-discharge cycles, which completely removes the issue of replacing the battery.

                      This and other amounts. In addition, lithium will not be cheaper either, only half of the current fleet will be enough.
                      1. Fikys 30 January 2020 19: 52 New
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                        Well, that is, the train is like a second car

                        So far, yes, but it doesn’t kill the savings, anyway, I, like many, need at least two cars per family. I have more than 90% of the total mileage on the train.
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                        a shop with cheap exercises by the time they are at each cafe, they’ll cover

                        I doubt it. Electricity for enterprises in our country cannot go up significantly, otherwise the entire remaining industry will be bent due to unprofitability of products, and nobody needs this. The very fast charging station now costs 200-400kr, and power electronics are rapidly becoming cheaper. It is unlikely that any roadside cafe (and not only) will refuse such a competitive advantage.
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                        This and other amounts
                        Not at all. I have just such a battery.
                      2. Durman_54 30 January 2020 20: 08 New
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                        Quote: Fikys

                        I doubt it. Electricity for enterprises in our country can not go up significantly, otherwise the entire remaining industry will be bent due to unprofitability of products, and nobody needs this.

                        C'mon, as soon as the train becomes more than a certain amount, specifically for charging they will make just such tariffs, on the principle of "where are you going to get from the submarine?".
                    2. IL-18 30 January 2020 23: 00 New
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                      Someone thought of making an air intake in an electric car, where will the wind generator be put to recharge? If not, it’s too early to buy an electric car. : no
                  2. Oyo Sarkazmi 30 January 2020 20: 13 New
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                    Quote: Fikys
                    This is already out of town, while it is also possible on a gasoline, then fast charging in roadside cafes will be done.

                    Maintenance of electric networks will be completely free, yeah.
                    In Bulgaria, electricity is completely free, only for the delivery of a kilowatt to your doorstep they charge a field. For every.
                    While subsidies are in effect, there are generally free charges near shopping centers, but as soon as fifty cars are driven into this free day, the Lafa will end.
                    1. Fikys 31 January 2020 02: 04 New
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                      We and Bulgaria have completely different energy supply structures, both legislatively and technically, but this is not so important. We now have a surplus of installed capacity, many generations are not even half used, and we are not going to refuse from nuclear power plants, there are a lot of hydroelectric power stations, in general, it is more profitable to sell electricity in the domestic market, and hydrocarbons in the external one. And it’s much easier to finish the “Laf” by tax methods than by technical ones.
      2. carstorm 11 30 January 2020 13: 44 New
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        all this is wonderful, but I repeat, all this is subsidized. people are motivated to shop.
        1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 14: 18 New
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          So what? anyway, they will get huge profits !!! it’s like with green energy, wasting euro lard and was convinced that it’s very good
      3. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 13: 59 New
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        how is gesheft? how many for example in the same germany need to replace a car? they will never receive such sales and profits
      4. Ros 56 30 January 2020 16: 17 New
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        Let Tesla ride on his little boxes in Siberia in the taiga, where Kamaz with the Urals and all-terrain vehicles almost glass, or even drive around the cabin, here I have a laugh. And on asphalt can be on rollers and scooters, horseradish need an electric car.
        1. Fikys 30 January 2020 17: 33 New
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          Let Tesla ride his little boxes in Siberia

          Firstly, Tesla is not the only electric car in the world, and electric jeeps and pickups are already on the way, and secondly, ride roller skates and scooters in Siberian cities in winter. I - not hunting, on an electric car - better wink
          1. Ros 56 31 January 2020 08: 47 New
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            And I don’t want on an electric car, but who will heat the cabin at least minus 20 degrees, the stove is by-bye. request lol hi
            1. Mordvin 3 31 January 2020 09: 06 New
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              and who will heat the cabin at least minus 20 degrees, the stove is by-bye.

              The stove can be thrust from Ikarus. Or from Zaporozhets. laughing
              1. Ros 56 31 January 2020 09: 08 New
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                Sticking the stove is not a problem, a problem with the coolant. fellow request lol laughing negative
                1. Fikys 31 January 2020 10: 11 New
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                  Sticking the stove is not a problem, a problem with the coolant.

                  You seem to be completely unaware of the topic. I explain: from the point of view of the user, the stove in an electric car is no different from a stink. Inside, everything is exactly the same, but outside it, instead of the ICE cooling jacket, there is an electric heater, in fact, a flow-type electric boiler, usually with a power of about 6 kW. The coolant is a common antifreeze. Who does not want to spend electricity on heating the cabin, they put the most ordinary pre-heater. I didn’t bet, there is enough staff system for my runs, and at -20 and -30 wink
                  1. Ros 56 31 January 2020 10: 15 New
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                    Here I am about the same thing, the consumption of electricity for a heater, for a running electric engine, for a fan, for lighting, and what ultimately remains?
                    1. Fikys 31 January 2020 10: 23 New
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                      Quote: Ros 56
                      and what ultimately remains?

                      What else do you need then ?! Heat, light, wheels spin, mosquitoes do not bite ... What is the difference with a stink?
                    2. Ros 56 31 January 2020 10: 30 New
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                      Well, a gas tank is usually enough for 400 km. And how much can you drive in this mode "Heat, light, wheels spin, mosquitoes do not bite .."?
                    3. Fikys 31 January 2020 10: 47 New
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                      In winter - about 60 km, in summer up to 100, my machine has the smallest battery in serial capacity - only 10 kWh, but titanate: it’s not afraid of frost and is almost eternal. Full charge from a regular outlet 3,5 hours, from a fast - 20 minutes. Since I bought an electric train, I almost never use a gasoline, only on vacation, at sea.
                    4. Ros 56 31 January 2020 10: 52 New
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                      I don’t even know what to say, it's just a walk, not an operating mode, but how to tax it, and how to carry cargo? Therefore, all these lamentations about the imminent transition to e / mobility are still from the fantasy world.
                    5. Fikys 1 February 2020 03: 18 New
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                      I don’t even know what to say, it's just a walk, not an operating mode

                      I do not know your needs, but I have enough, with a margin. I used to spend 6-7kr per month on gas, now I have less than 1500r on electricity, and I like it! I didn’t just buy an EM, I first read about them, then I figured their capabilities on my needs, I realized what should be enough, it’s worth a try. Now, if I buy another car, it’s also EM, I don’t want to return to gasoline.
                    6. Ros 56 1 February 2020 08: 54 New
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                      Here, by the way, about the price of an e-mobile and an ordinary car, let's say a comparable class. Do not enlighten by chance.
                    7. Fikys 1 February 2020 10: 02 New
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                      I bought mine for 300kr. A completely similar gasoline could be bought for 270-320kr. I will say right away: I do not consider the primary market in principle, because I do not want to pay for ephemerality. I have to go, the checkers are not interested.
  • dgonni 30 January 2020 13: 27 New
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    Reminds me of Miller’s phrase for a shale soap bubble and the cost of gas for 1000 killed raccoons per thousand cubic meters!
    1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 13: 33 New
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      yes reminds a divorce with electric cars
      1. dgonni 30 January 2020 13: 44 New
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        The fact that this trend is not a divorce is a massive start to the production of electric vehicles by major brands. the same Volkswagen, although late in the day, joined the race. But that is. Slate also Miller with the company slept through. Although experts said that it was not a bubble!
        1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 13: 48 New
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          Of course they will produce and sell when there is demand !!! and the demand is forcibly done by banning gasoline cars, this is a divorce
        2. voyaka uh 30 January 2020 13: 54 New
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          "is the massive start of the production of electric vehicles by major brands" ////
          ------
          Not just Volkswagen. Ford is also a major player in the market. Not to mention sports brands. Jaguar, BMW ...
          Who will buy a Ferrari if the budget Tesla-3 from the traffic light "makes it"?
          Tesla's latest sport reaches 100 km / h in 2.1 sec. Only Porsche is still trying to compete.
          1. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 14: 49 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            Tesla's latest sport reaches 100 km / h in 2.1 sec.

            hmmm .. old peugeot colt, acceleration to 100 in 2.3 what an ordinary Peugeot of 2000 and the most modern sports car of 2019 ...
            Will we compare the price? wink
            1. voyaka uh 30 January 2020 14: 57 New
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              Well, who can compare with Peugeot? fellow Peugeot is beyond global trends. drinks
      2. RUSS 30 January 2020 13: 54 New
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        yes reminds a divorce with electric cars

        And what is gesheft then? Why do you think this divorce?
        1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 13: 57 New
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          how in what? for example, Germany refuses gasoline, how many cars should be changed in 10 years, for example? and how much from europe? they never had such sales and profits
          1. RUSS 30 January 2020 15: 25 New
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            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            how in what? for example, Germany refuses gasoline, how many cars should be changed in 10 years, for example? and how much from europe? they never had such sales and profits

            And you didn’t think that in Europe they really think about ecology?
            1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 15: 31 New
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              sharks of capitalism about the environment?))))) funny !!! building megafactories, making emission lards what ecology is there)))) an electric car does more harm than gasoline
            2. Mordvin 3 30 January 2020 16: 07 New
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              And you didn’t think that in Europe they really think about ecology?

              If you really think, you need to harness the horse.
          2. Fikys 30 January 2020 17: 40 New
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            how many cars do you need to change in 10 years, for example?

            A car in Europe is changed on average every 3-5 years, in 10 years they will change almost everything, and most will change two or three times. What difference does it make on gasoline or electric? Yes, and there is less profit with electric, all manufacturers complain about it, so your theory of conspiracy does not have any economic basis.
        2. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 13: 57 New
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          it's like windows, they refuse to support old versions, forcing to buy not only new Windows but also change the PC itself
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            WHAT FOR? change the computer then?
            1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 14: 07 New
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              he doesn’t pull ((((what to do then? you can sit on the old software for a couple of years only then they will still make you go to the store and buy, I already have 3 laptops in the box ((((
              1. dgonni 30 January 2020 14: 24 New
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                The ancient bark of 2 oaks coexists quietly with a dozen. And you don’t need to buy anything new. Optionally, you can finish the operatives and voila. why goat new button accordion i don't understand
                1. Muxalet 30 January 2020 14: 42 New
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                  You eat it, you watch YouTube ... and if you work in the ADOBE environment, you don’t want to, you have to switch to Windows 10. Seven stupidly doesn’t support it, there’s a lot of such examples
                  1. dgonni 30 January 2020 16: 42 New
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                    I wrote for utilitarian typewriters. If the machine makes money, then you still need to update the equipment. no arguing with that.
                2. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 15: 26 New
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                  I don’t know, they installed 10, it seems to be normal at first, but after a month everything was terribly slow and several times, I had xp))) and here I need ten (((I used to buy a laptop very expensive
              2. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 14: 52 New
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                apparently the guy is so young that he has not changed a single computer yet wink
                1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 15: 24 New
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                  what guy ???
                  1. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 15: 26 New
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                    well, that does not understand how to make the user buy a new computer ... dgonni (Djon) which wink
                  2. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 15: 32 New
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                    and not only PC, but also phones, for example, I had to buy a new one a year ago because the android less than 4 is already outdated and so on in everything, not to mention the quality of the technology
                  3. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 16: 21 New
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                    this is not to mention the quality of technology

                    oooh laughing this is a separate song! we have a plotter in the counter where the print head has been working for a year, regardless of whether it is printed on it or not. costs 80% of the price of the plotter.
            2. dgonni 30 January 2020 16: 43 New
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              The guy started with 286 and 386 DX / Well, if that tells you something!
            3. Fikys 30 January 2020 17: 45 New
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              apparently the guy is so young that he has not changed a single computer yet

              Apparently, the guy is so old that he does not know how to configure Windu or even do without it. Well, for the lack of knowledge you have to pay, it’s everywhere wink
          2. RUSS 30 January 2020 15: 27 New
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            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            , I already have 3 laptops lying in the box ((((

            Curly-haired live))))))
            1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 15: 35 New
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              and where to go? sorry for the trash, the money cost, especially since in excellent condition, the children also do not need old stuff))))
              1. RUSS 30 January 2020 15: 57 New
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                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                children also do not need junk))))

                I can pick up laughing
              2. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 16: 04 New
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                you have idols electric cars and iPhones and here it turns out you need old laptops)))))
              3. RUSS 30 January 2020 17: 05 New
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                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                you have idols electric cars and iPhones and here it turns out you need old laptops)))))

                I don’t have idols, I am neutral towards electric cars, I use an android, not an iPhone, I don’t need old laptops, it was a joke)))).
                Somehow like this.
              4. Nastia makarova 31 January 2020 07: 53 New
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                well, good))) I already thought that you were defending supposedly progress)))
  • RUSS 30 January 2020 15: 27 New
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    it's like windows, they refuse to support old versions, forcing to buy not only new Windows but also change the PC itself

    Comp then why change if without problems you can fill in new windows
    1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 15: 34 New
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      if it were possible, the same thing with phones, the android is outdated and all the programs from google stopped working, buy a new one
      1. Fikys 30 January 2020 17: 52 New
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        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        Android is outdated and all programs from Google have stopped working, buy a new one

        My wife has a fifth Android phone, everything works. On the older stupidly, there is not enough operative, except for the vatsap, nothing else fit wink
        1. Nastia makarova 31 January 2020 07: 56 New
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          so this is the fifth))) below 4 does not work, 5 will be turned off next year)))) prepare money for a new phone
  • Oyo Sarkazmi 30 January 2020 20: 17 New
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    Miller's phrase for a oil shale bubble

    The Federal Reserve bought out $ 250 billion of bad shale loans. In fact, this is 1000 per 1000, for the extracted 250 billion cubic meters of oil shale is just 1 dollar per cubic meter.
  • _Sergei_ 30 January 2020 14: 14 New
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    I have a man not far rides a Nissan-electro. The jeep is only out of town, and in the city on an electric car.
  • Sergey Olegovich 30 January 2020 20: 55 New
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    electric cars are nonsense

    How to say, at one time, in particular, in the 19th century, no one believed in either flying into space or into television, but now we launch rockets into space and instead of the TV we have the Internet.
  • Shkworen 30 January 2020 12: 06 New
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    in addition to fuel, a lot of things are done from petroleum products for modern life, it will not work out completely :)
    1. dorz 30 January 2020 12: 49 New
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      The increase in value will be caused by rising costs in oil production. Oil will be extracted in the future with shovels. sad


  • demo 30 January 2020 12: 09 New
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    Look at lithium materials.
    Lithium is a strategic material used to manufacture capacitive batteries for electric vehicles.
    It, for information, will be enough for no more than 50% of cars.
    But cars are not the largest consumer of hydrocarbons.
    Railway and sea transport together consume almost 70%.
    And what batteries do they need to put?

    Let the electric car market explode.
    Especially in California and Florida.
    And then the owners with their toys to Canada, in the winter, for 200-300 km from living people.
    And p ... paragraph!
    And the mobile and its owner.

    But I am not against progress.
    And I'm for the environment.
    Just do not take everything at face value.
    1. voyaka uh 30 January 2020 12: 19 New
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      "See lithium materials.
      Lithium - a strategic material used for the production of capacitive batteries "///
      ---
      Lithium is not the last word. They plan to replace it with aluminum or other metals. Nano-films allow you to play with materials.
      In the world now, dozens of powerful startups are improving batteries and accumulators.
      An irreversible turn has already taken place in the world of automobile manufacturers in favor of electro. And this is understandable - net profit.
      To produce an electric car is five times cheaper than with an internal combustion engine, and you sell it to a client for the same money. laughing
      1. 1959ain 30 January 2020 12: 25 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        Look at lithium materials.

        They still explode
      2. neri73-r 30 January 2020 12: 39 New
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        Quote: voyaka uh
        An irreversible turn has already taken place in the world of automobile manufacturers in favor of electro. And this is understandable - net profit.
        To produce an electric car is five times cheaper than with an internal combustion engine, and you sell it to a client for the same money.

        Marketing divorce in its purest form, a la Max and his projects.
      3. Yuriy_999 30 January 2020 13: 08 New
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        To produce an electric car is five times cheaper than with an internal combustion engine, and you sell it to a client for the same money

        Just why are they 1,5 times more expensive than usual? scam?
        1. Gleborg 31 January 2020 05: 33 New
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          Just why are they 1,5 times more expensive than usual? scam?

          why is Mercedes more expensive than Vesta? Scam?
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            You want to say that a Mercedes with an ICE is more expensive than a battery powered Mercedes? Or Nissan Not is 1,5 times more expensive than the Leaf?
    2. RUSS 30 January 2020 12: 46 New
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      Let the electric car market explode.
      Especially in California and Florida.
      And then the owners with their toys to Canada, in the winter, for 200-300 km from living people.
      And p ... paragraph!

      You remind a coachman or a cab driver of the beginning of the 20th century, they were also skeptical of self-propelled strollers)))), and then these cars survived them
      1. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 14: 56 New
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        Quote: RUSS
        You remind a coachman or a cabman of the beginning of the 20th century

        and you remind the user of the bereavement, who has not bought it yet, but will definitely buy it ... someday laughing
        1. RUSS 30 January 2020 15: 57 New
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          Quote: SanichSan
          Quote: RUSS
          You remind a coachman or a cabman of the beginning of the 20th century

          and you remind the user of the bereavement, who has not bought it yet, but will definitely buy it ... someday laughing

          No joke
          1. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 16: 25 New
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            No joke

            in jest only a fraction of the joke wink then you don’t have and never will, because the scam is exactly the same as electric cars, especially from the author wink
            1. RUSS 30 January 2020 17: 07 New
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              Quote: SanichSan
              Quote: RUSS
              No joke

              in jest only a fraction of the joke wink then you don’t have and never will, because the scam is exactly the same as electric cars, especially from the author wink

              What the hell are you talking about?
              1. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 17: 11 New
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                get together! think about it. I'm sure you will understand. I hope laughing
      2. demo 30 January 2020 16: 49 New
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        Let it be your way.
        But!
        An electric car is a very expensive toy, either for the very rich, or for those who turn on green energy (again, not the poor).
        This is the first.
        Second.
        If the remedy is offered as a panacea, then clarification is necessary.
        Panacea to "such-and-such latitude-longitude."
        And in Yakutia, Norilsk, Vorkuta - it’s you yourself, somehow, without our toys.
        Bye, like that.
        1. Fikys 30 January 2020 18: 03 New
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          Electric car - a very expensive toy or for the very rich

          In the primary market - yes, but in the secondary market it is quite accessible to everyone. I bought mine for 300kr. year and a half ago.
          Quote: demo
          And in Yakutia, Norilsk, Vorkuta - you yourself

          People put a pre-heater for 30-40kr and drive without problems.
    3. Muxalet 30 January 2020 14: 45 New
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      They want to replace aluminum soon with some kind of "Intermetallic aluminum" ....
    4. Gleborg 30 January 2020 15: 06 New
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      Look at lithium materials.
      Lithium - strategic material

      Mercedes already has a prototype on graphene, lithium will not last long.
  • maidan.izrailovich 30 January 2020 12: 16 New
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    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world.

    So make the forecast stupider than you?
    Everything is taken into account there.
    In addition to road transport, there are still more industries where oil will not be replaced soon.
    The second most important area of ​​the use of oil is the production of various polymers and rubber. Plastic manufacturers are constantly working to improve the quality of their products. Plastic is a serious competitor to wood and metal - it is lightweight, durable, not susceptible to decay and corrosion.
    https://asuneft.ru/transportirovka/ekonomika-pererabotki-mirovoe-potreblenie-nefti-i-gaza.html
    1. Gleborg 31 January 2020 05: 37 New
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      In addition to road transport, there are still more industries where oil will not be replaced soon.

      so no one will refuse, but the market will shrink rapidly, everyone sitting on the oil needle will certainly not like it much, but progress cannot be stopped.
  • 1959ain 30 January 2020 12: 23 New
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    Quote: voyaka uh
    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world.

    And electricity is taken from the air laughing
    1. Livonetc 30 January 2020 12: 26 New
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      Конечно.
      This is from the theme of windmills and other “breakthrough progressive green” crap,
      1. 1959ain 30 January 2020 12: 29 New
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        Конечно.
        This is from the theme of windmills and other “breakthrough progressive green” crap,

        They are terribly expensive, but you know what these windmills make of, not from the air, and birds break on them laughing
        1. RUSS 30 January 2020 12: 52 New
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          these windmills do, not from the air and the birds break about them

          Another person said that because of the windmills, worms creep out of the ground)))
          1. 1959ain 30 January 2020 14: 12 New
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            Still lithium batteries explode and are difficult to dispose of.
      2. Oyo Sarkazmi 30 January 2020 20: 24 New
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        Quote: Livonetc
        This is from the theme of windmills and other

        What are 800 tons of cement and steel? Do they produce 20 kWh per day? Are cement and steel being transported thousands of kilometers from the installation site? And how much kerosene should be burned to put a windmill?
    2. AU Ivanov. 30 January 2020 12: 45 New
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      So gas demand will increase.
    3. dgonni 30 January 2020 13: 46 New
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      In Chile, electricity for half a year is free. For they built windmills and solar panels and there is nowhere to put the electrician.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi 30 January 2020 20: 26 New
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        Do the owners of windmills eat holy spirit? For from what do you pay your salary for six months?
        No wonder the worst in the Great Depression is the fall in prices and the lack of buyers.
    4. Nikolai Grek 31 January 2020 03: 09 New
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      Quote: 1959ain
      Quote: voyaka uh
      The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world.

      And electricity is taken from the air laughing

      but not what ??? where does lightning happen ??? in the air!!! and in lightning what is ??? That's right - the current ... and the current - the liquidation !!! wassat lol lol
    5. Gleborg 31 January 2020 05: 38 New
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      windmills, hydroelectric power stations, nuclear plants are not on fuel oil, but they work ... lol
  • skif8013 30 January 2020 12: 33 New
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    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world. Accordingly, a decrease in demand for gasoline, diesel fuel and motor oil. In countries where electric cars are more common, motor oil dealers have already reported sharp declines in sales and losses.

    Electric cars are a myth or a fake, as it will be more convenient for you to understand this. You can calculate how much electricity you need to convert liquid cars to electric ones. Humanity does not yet have such an amount of electricity and in the near future there will be no growth capacity, in any case, to the extent that it will start the boom of electric cars. So it's all a dream)))
    1. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 12: 39 New
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      In the US, they gave forecasts about the possible cost of oil at $ 180 per barrel
      the entire composition of the "public domain" will now collapse with a heart attack from happiness.
    2. demo 30 January 2020 17: 00 New
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      All true.
      But this is not the main thing.
      Instead of a gasoline-diesel engine, you can’t just plug in an electric one.
      It is necessary to purchase a new car.
      We go to the UN website and look at statistics on vehicles.
      Then these millions of cars are multiplied by the average cost (passenger-freight).
      We get an astronomical figure.
      And that is not all.
      All these new trinkets need to be released.
      All auto concerns are squealing as much as they want to steam their hard-earned hundreds of billions of dollars and euros in new construction, equipment, and staff training.
      And countries do not wait until they begin to build charging stations.
      Especially the Russian Federation, where there is not a single living soul between settlements of five hundred kilometers.
      And there are no power lines.
      Only forest or tundra.
      That will be joy.
      The construction of the Crimean bridge or the bridge to Sakhalin will seem like a game, compared to what needs to be done.

      And then all these Exxon Mobile, Total, Shell and others like them, are sitting and waiting for the “oblique” (Greta) to come to them and order them to close.
      And to go down the "floor" below, to those who provide all this with components, then there will be hundreds of three to four million people who are involved in these processes.
      Such a mess will begin with salaries, social programs, etc. as before the "world revolution" not for long.

      But gradually moving on to this will not be easy.
      For the reason that ...... read above.
    3. Fikys 30 January 2020 18: 08 New
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      Electric cars is a myth or a fake

      Well, it’s necessary, I mean, I’ve been traveling a fake for a year and a half already! laughing
      Quote: skif8013
      You can calculate how much electricity you need to convert liquid cars to electric ones

      Already considered. By 20-30%, it is necessary to increase generation from the existing one. Nothing is impossible.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi 30 January 2020 20: 30 New
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        Well, it’s necessary, I mean, I’ve been traveling a fake for a year and a half

        When the Greenpeace officer was asked why he was throwing chemicals and garbage overboard, he replied: “Well, I’m not enough!”
        Not only 1, but these alone are more than 7 billion.
        When the city becomes 5 thousand electric vehicles, you simply will not find free charging. Even for 100 rubles a kilowatt hour.
        1. Fikys 31 January 2020 02: 14 New
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          When the city becomes 5 thousand electric vehicles, you simply will not find free charging.

          Will this happen all at once ?! Can you imagine how much a charging station costs? TP? And how many gas stations? Is it easier to find a place in the city for gas stations or for gas stations? In general, it is easiest to charge EMs at a parking place, near a house, work, large shopping centers, fitness centers, etc. slow charging, from a conventional outlet, the infrastructure there is quite penny.
          1. Oyo Sarkazmi 31 January 2020 15: 23 New
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            I repeat - while you are one or two in the city, everything suits you.
            Charge in the parking lot, at large shopping centers - while they have amateur performances, everything suits you.
            But as soon as the charges take over the operator, it’s just legal to legalize relations with the power supply and network operators, then the state will impose excise taxes on automobile electricity like gasoline, it will stop arranging a lot of things in electric vehicles.
            And yes, it will happen all at once, when a couple of thousand cars will be in the city, and it will become profitable to milk electric owners.
            1. Fikys 1 February 2020 10: 53 New
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              Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
              while they have amateur performances

              You seem to be completely unaware of the relationship between energy supplying organizations and consumers - legal entities (or individual entrepreneurs). Within the so-called "connected power", specified in the contract, the consumer can do anything with his electricity, even connect electric heaters, even charge electric cars, even power the machines - it’s deep for power engineers wink If, of course, you pay regularly.
              Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
              the state will impose excise on automobile electricity,

              Well, this is generally a masterpiece! How are you going to distinguish “automotive” electricity from “refrigeration”, “computer” or something else ?!
              Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
              when a couple of thousand cars are in the city

              In my city, there are already more than a thousand EMs now, which resulted in the installation of a dozen fast ZS from RusHydro, and no excise taxes. Generating companies are interested in selling their products wink
  • neri73-r 30 January 2020 12: 37 New
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    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world. Accordingly, a decrease in demand for gasoline, diesel fuel and motor oil. In countries where electric cars are more common, motor oil dealers have already reported sharp declines in sales and losses.

    And what are they going to generate electricity for these cars against the backdrop of a massive abandonment of nuclear energy? Coal, fuel oil, gas, everything, arrived. Only we have the technology of mox, the French are somewhere in the back weaving, on this FSE! It has already been mathematically proven that an electric car is not a panacea; it requires many times more generating capacities, which will clog the atmosphere many times more compared to current cars.
    1. RUSS 30 January 2020 13: 18 New
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      And what are they going to generate electricity for these cars against the backdrop of a massive abandonment of nuclear energy?

      Rapidly taking off and gaining momentum, nuclear energy is ready to close the top three most effective and profitable areas. The potential of nuclear energy is successfully used in developed countries.
      States that have relied on nuclear power plants. These include South Africa, China, Poland, Australia, as well as Mexico, the Netherlands and Romania.
      States with a high share of nuclear energy: France, Belgium and the Republic of Korea.
      1. Horon 30 January 2020 13: 41 New
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        In Europe, they refuse nuclear energy, but knowing their policy on electric vehicles, you are making an argument about the development of nuclear energy without taking European policies into account in this direction.
      2. neri73-r 30 January 2020 13: 44 New
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        States that have relied on nuclear power plants. These include South Africa, China, Poland, Australia, as well as Mexico, the Netherlands and Romania.
        States with a high share of nuclear energy: France, Belgium and the Republic of Korea.

        Yeah, right now, only Russia, the USA, France, India, Korea and China can build nuclear power plants! And you want to convince me that someone will give (build or give to build themselves) a nuclear power plant and hand in cheap energy sources? Cheap own electricity is INDEPENDENCE, competitiveness in the market of goods and services, etc.
        1. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 15: 12 New
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          Yeah, right now, only Russia, the USA, France, India, Korea and China can build nuclear power plants!

          sorry, I would like to clarify ... are these countries that once built nuclear power plants, countries that have nuclear power plants, or countries that are currently building nuclear power plants?
          in China and India it’s kind of like ours are being built. NPPs have not been built in the USA for a long time, in France too.
          1. neri73-r 30 January 2020 16: 04 New
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            These are countries whose firms can build nuclear power plants.
            1. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 16: 32 New
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              These are countries whose firms can build nuclear power plants.

              no version ... so then Ukraine can build a nuclear power plant. well, if they study a lot, grow up specialists, create enterprises producing nuclear reactors and fuel assemblies, and then yes ...
              but in fact the United States can no longer build nuclear power plants, as well as France. create an industry for them from scratch. China is just beginning to develop in this direction and can't yet independently build nuclear power plants. Indians too. Korea? north or south? I still believe in the north, the southern vryatli.
              from the list like one Russia left? bully
              1. neri73-r 30 January 2020 16: 37 New
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                no version ... so then Ukraine can build a nuclear power plant. well, if they study a lot, grow up specialists, create enterprises producing nuclear reactors and fuel assemblies, and then yes ...
                wassat
                Theoretically, many countries can ........ but who will allow them ??? Do you believe that the United States will allow its vassal in Ukraine to develop such technologies ????? Or maybe create your own nuclear weapons? lol This is disadvantageous to strong countries, and first of all to the Anglo-Saxons, and of course to us. Obtaining such technologies and the opportunity to pay them back to life, at least in your own country, is the way to real independence. They will crush right away, it will not seem enough.
                1. Sanichsan 30 January 2020 16: 45 New
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                  They will crush right away, it will not seem enough.

                  Well, the persistent North Koreans could, and the sneaky Iran seems to be able to wink
                  Quote: neri73-r
                  This is disadvantageous to strong countries, and first of all to the Anglo-Saxons, and of course to us.

                  it’s not just about independence. getting a nuclear weapon does not automatically give +100 consciousness. when the Africans begin to make nuclear bombs, and this is just around the corner, what will prevent the Tutsi leader from finally resolving the issue with the leader of Phutta?
                  1. neri73-r 30 January 2020 16: 50 New
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                    Well, the persistent North Koreans could, and the sneaky Iran seems to be able to

                    There is too little space and resources on the planet that there would be all kinds of ....... have their own nuclear technologies, and even more so nuclear weapons. You ask Israel whether they want Iran to have nuclear weapons, well, the opportunity to build their own nuclear power plants on their own technologies.
                    1. Sanichsan 31 January 2020 16: 11 New
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                      You ask Israel whether they want Iran to have nuclear weapons, well, the opportunity to build their own nuclear power plants on their own technologies.

                      The answer is obvious! but the question arises, is there any possibility? they cannot force it directly, they tried with the help of the USA, it turned out that the USA cannot, starting from this year, it seems, they will try with the help of Russia, but it’s also not a fact what will happen. the level of control is not the same. Iran is not Latvia which the EU can order to dismantle nuclear power plants and they will run to break everything ...
                      Quote: neri73-r
                      There are too few places and resources on the planet, so that everyone there ....... had their own nuclear technologies, and even more so nuclear weapons.

                      any Papuan can make a dirty bomb, and they have uranium there. It’s understandable that this is bad, but the fact is that today there is no power capable of controlling it. request
              2. missuris 30 January 2020 22: 03 New
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                the Chinese can, they build, they don’t seem to set traps, but they build
                Iranians can build even themselves, it’s unsafe, but they can build
  • gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 42 New
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    electric cars are another scam of the century in the calculation, and the fact that someone can come up with generator-engine technology. If you count the resource of starting materials for batteries, then very quickly everyone will feel what electric transport is. I’m not even talking about price and other related processes
    1. RUSS 30 January 2020 12: 54 New
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      Quote: gridasov
      electric cars is another scam of the century

      A scam is when the oil lobby inspires that besides ICE there is nothing better and will not, especially ICE on oil products!
      1. gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 58 New
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        I believe that this lobby and knows the real state of things, and therefore, in order not to lose their dominant position in the resource market, they diversify their direction of development into those that seem unusual for everyone.
      2. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 13: 20 New
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        a scam like a phone from an epl, only stupid people buy it
    2. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 13: 00 New
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      for sure, this is a scam like phones from Apple
      1. Krasnodar 30 January 2020 13: 18 New
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        Why did Apple phones not please you so much? )))
        1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 13: 24 New
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          because the divorce of people and I do not want to fall for their bait, they push it for a lot of money it is not clear what
          1. RUSS 30 January 2020 13: 59 New
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            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            because the divorce of people and I do not want to fall for their bait, they push it for a lot of money it is not clear what

            In vain you are, apple is quite a high-tech product, even films are shot on an Apple iPhone smartphone
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              but I'm not saying that Apple junk !!! only price and quality do not match
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                I say that Apple junk !!! only price and quality do not match

                price quality is subjective and depends on income.
                1. Nastia makarova 30 January 2020 15: 28 New
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                  that's it, that's why in Europe they shove electro on credit at zero percent, let them buy
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              even movies are shot on apple iPhone smartphone

              umm .. tell me, do you understand that this is a normal PR move? advertising campaign.
              1. RUSS 30 January 2020 15: 32 New
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                Quote: RUSS
                even movies are shot on apple iPhone smartphone

                umm .. tell me, do you understand that this is a normal PR move? advertising campaign.

                Of course, advertising, but the more dumb apple is ahead of everyone, and therefore it can break the price, well, if you don’t pull, take a Chinese smartphone, they are already on the heels of the Yabloko people, that is, the choice is always.
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                  Certainly advertising, but the more dumb apple ahead of all

                  ahead of all what? in advertising? well, OK. request
                  1. RUSS 30 January 2020 17: 10 New
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                    ahead of all what?

                    For example, by OS
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                      For example, by OS

                      if you compare by the criterion of woodenness then yes. another OS, so incompatible with third-party hardware, is probably hard to find. yes
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        for sure, this is a scam like phones from Apple

        Discard the mobile phone altogether, it is also on the battery, and use the stationary
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          do not write nonsense
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  • knn54 30 January 2020 13: 20 New
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    Fuel oil is obtained from oil, which is also used for heating.
    And the forecast is ungrateful. At the price of oil for 70 it will become profitable to extract / sell shale oil.
    Political instability also affects prices.
    There are other (non-fuel) industries where oil cannot be replaced, at least today.
    1. gridasov 30 January 2020 13: 33 New
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      Right! Therefore, war is inevitable for such a diversified product. But even so, the search for alternatives is inevitable. Now we can say that the fuel component in industrial power production can already be excluded now. Let it not be seen and heard. But there is already a theoretical basis. This is a small step. But he is!
    2. RUSS 30 January 2020 17: 11 New
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      Fuel oil is obtained from oil

      Fuel oil is waste from the production of, for example, the same gasoline
  • NEXUS 30 January 2020 13: 45 New
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    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world.

    As long as there is oil, electric cars, steam cars, etc. will be only a private occurrence.
    Prices not only for oil, but in general prices for everything are an artificial tool. A crisis is not a pattern, but an artificial mechanism to control the planet’s population in general.
    Guinean Papuans do not care about crises and oil, because they are not tied to the dollar, SWIFT, mortgages, loans, etc.
    As for electric vehicles, this branch of the development of automotive and not only technology is not as promising as steam, because steam technology has the highest efficiency, and compared to internal combustion engines, it’s significantly faster. But .. until the last drop of oil is pumped out, the Morgans, Rothschilds and Rockefellers will not let progress go this way.
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      NEXUS (Andrey) Today, 13: 45
      As for electric vehicles, this branch of the development of automotive and not only technology is not as promising as steam. steam technology has the highest efficiency, and compared with ICE, it’s generally significantly.


      Performance in modern steam turbines, compared to ICE - yes, higher.
      But, not at times.


      / Physics. Grade 10. Theme "Heat engines". /


      Again, for heating the coolant - it is necessary to burn fuel.
  • mikstepanenko 30 January 2020 13: 53 New
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    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world.

    A modest question, and due to what they will travel, where to get electricity? One gas station runs an hour, say, modestly three dozen cars. Let's say cars (trucks take more) refuel 40 liters of gasoline. These are the numbers of a small gas station. The calorific value of gasoline is about 10 thousand kilocalories per kg. Take an efficiency of 20% (a little), total 2500 kcal per kg. Total energy used per hour from one refueling 2500 * 30 * 40 = three million kilocalories. We translate in kW * h, we get 3489 kW * h. Power of three and a half megawatts, is a large urban area or factory. And this is also considering the efficiency of an electric vehicle at 100%, which is impossible. Each refueling will need to be pulled by a high-voltage line (6 kilovolts is not enough for such a capacity), and a step-down transformer should be installed as in a medium-sized plant. Plus, the uneven loading of time, which is unacceptable in the electric power industry. And most importantly, where to get the generating capacity? At least double the number and capacity of power plants. An additional bonus is that electricity is obtained mainly by burning the same fuel.
  • Demon_is_ada 30 January 2020 13: 55 New
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    Explosive there, in principle, no, there is an optimization of specific fuel consumption on new cars. Including electric cars, mostly hybrids are in demand, in my opinion the most optimal option. Lithium is not enough, so it is unlikely that the electric car will be massive ...
  • opus 30 January 2020 14: 46 New
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    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world. Accordingly, a decrease in demand for gasoline, diesel fuel and motor oil.

    fool
    1. on 2015 moment in the world operated 947 million cars and 335 million commercial vehicles.
    let the average aircraft have a capacity of 136l / s = 100kW
    and commercial = 408 l / s = 100kW
    (I still recall, however, that all electric and hybrid la have fantastic power of 300 kW, but troubled)
    Total
    947 million cars * 100kW = 94,7TW (terawatt) = let 100 TW = 100 * 10 ^ 12W = 0,1PW (penta Watt) = 10 ^ 15W
    335 million commercial vehicles * 300 kW = 100 GW (gigawatts) = let 500TW (10 * 10 ^ 10 W)
    2. Let in 2025 -50% of the number of cars 2015 become electric ... let
    Quote: voyaka uh
    The forecast does not include explosive

    50 TW + 5TW = 55TW (55 * 10 ^ 12 W)
    3. The total capacity of all operating power plants in the world according to 2016, published in the public domain - 2,069 TW а electricity production 18138,3 TW / h.
    To generate electricity per year is spent up to 15 billion tons of standard fuel.
    1 + 2 + 3 = how are you "explosive" ours going to provide them with lipestricism?
    belay
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    № 4
    Lead-acid batteries (SKA) = per unit of capacity: $ 100-500 / kWh, on average ~ 270 $ / kWh
    Nickel-cadmium batteries = 400-2000 $ / kWh, on average 1000 $ / kWh
    Sodium-sulfur batteries = about 500 $ / kWh
    Lithium-ion and lithium-polymer batteries = average ~ $ 1200 / kWh In the coming years, it is possible to reduce the cost of batteries to $ 300 / kWh
    (but Li is not enough on Earth and for 5% of cars)
    Instantaneous redox batteries = $ 3000-4000 / kW / h
    Supercapacitors = $ 2100-5000 / kW, and $ 1000-4000 / kW * h

    You decided to ruin us?
    Quote: voyaka uh
    In countries where electric cars are more common, motor oil dealers have already reported sharp declines in sales and losses.

    nonsense
    1. Long Life oils (la 25000-30000km, freight from 100 000km - replacement intervals)
    2. According to the International Energy Agency, Norway leads electric cars

    Almost 30% of all cars on the roads of this country are electric and hybrid vehicles.
    The rest are "poop" in units of percent.
    2017 car production

    Which one
    Quote: voyaka uh
    about sharp sales declines and losses.

    in a country with a population of about 5 million people, 30% of electric vehicles. To your mother, look at their total number (item 1 above)
    ?
    fool
    3. according to claim 2. You just haven’t been to Norway, drop everything, drive away, the only country where you will see a BMW X5 (or6) / or any other car of a rather expensive class in an eerie version of a truck (cargo wall behind the first row, or without seats) - taxes there can.
    therefore climbed on an electric car
    in Norway, electric vehicles are exempt from 25% value added tax and registration tax, which can reach tens of thousands of dollars per vehicle
    And fuel prices are among the highest in Europe: a liter of gasoline costs about 15 NOK ($ 2,5).
    Also electric car drivers they don’t pay transport tax and can drive to Oslo in the bus lanes, which helps them avoid traffic jams
    Threat. and vodka there is generally crazy money
    1. Fikys 30 January 2020 18: 57 New
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      let the average aircraft have a capacity of 136l / s = 100kW

      It is not correct to count from power, it is necessary to count from energy costs per kilometer, on average - 250W / km and average mileage (50km per day). To completely replace the car with electric, you need to increase the generation by 20-30%, which does not look fantastic.
      Quote: opus
      Lithium-ion and lithium-polymer batteries = average ~ $ 1200 / kWh

      Wrong. 400 $ and less per kWh. For example, I recently bought several 18650 batteries LG HG2 3Ah 20A, for 250r / pc. Each capacity is more than 10Wh, i.e. 1kWh - 25000r, about 400 $. This is at retail, through several intermediaries and two borders. If you buy in bulk at a large factory, and even under a prepaid contract, it will be several times cheaper.
  • Genry 30 January 2020 15: 07 New
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    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world.

    The forecast speaks of a 3-fold fall in the dollar over 30 years, which is comparable to inflation of 3,73% per year. What is supposedly taken into account is known only to Martians.
  • orionvitt 30 January 2020 22: 40 New
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    explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world

    So what? It seems that for some, electricity is taken from the air, or immediately in the head. And I realized that electricity is taken from the outlet. laughing And how it gets there, this is not important. And do not care that fossil fuels, at the moment, the most common when generating electricity. The main increase in the number of electric vehicles. And in terms of mileage, one electric car accounts for three times more emissions into the atmosphere than from ordinary gasoline. The case of Greta Tumberg lives and thrives.
  • arhitroll 30 January 2020 11: 56 New
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    who will increase its price - it’s renewable ...
  • Thrall 30 January 2020 11: 56 New
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    Valery Vaysberg, director of the analytical department of the Region investment company, believes that one of the additional factors causing the price reduction is the outbreak of coronavirus in China. In his opinion, it caused a certain slowdown in the growth of the global economy and, accordingly, a decrease in oil consumption.

    Did the expert definitely not hurry?
    1. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 12: 39 New
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      Quote: Thrall
      Valery Vaysberg, director of the analytical department of the Region investment company, believes that one of the additional factors causing the price reduction is the outbreak of coronavirus in China. In his opinion, it caused a certain slowdown in the growth of the global economy and, accordingly, a decrease in oil consumption.

      Did the expert definitely not hurry?

      I'm afraid to guess why we will have gasoline ... belay
    2. gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 45 New
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      interesting, but experts work with models for transforming the prospects themselves. After all, epidemics do not last forever and most likely this is a commercial project of pharmaceutical corporations. To prove that this is not so difficult. But how probability can be considered
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    4. dzvero 30 January 2020 17: 21 New
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      Rather, I meant restrictions on intercity movement due to quarantine, as well as the cancellation of flights. The price of oil on the exchange is quite speculative and even such a small decrease in demand can cause it to fall.
  • Thrifty 30 January 2020 11: 56 New
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    Those companies that pump shale oil are now in the USA! An occasion for optimism, albeit relative. ..We would solve the problem, how can we really get off this oil needle, otherwise the Kremlin will not advance beyond the words. ...
  • Keyser soze 30 January 2020 12: 00 New
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    And in 3050 it will cost 300 dollars. UTB counted ....
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      Quote: Keyser Soze
      And in 3050 it will cost 300 dollars. UTB counted ....

      duck and penny will wassat 300 000!
  • gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 02 New
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    In the world of people, nothing changes except for signs and names. Such a price for a strategic product is beneficial for everyone who owns this resource. All countries of the world very quickly fall into place according to their real condition. This should happen because liberalism between strong and weak countries with incompetent leaders and governance structures is not a natural state. Lions to rabbits are not friends. In addition, few people wonder why the Americans are investing heavily in inventive and scientific activities. It’s not because money has nowhere to go.
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      Quote: gridasov
      Lions to rabbits are not friends.

      hyenas and jackals.
      1. gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 48 New
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        That's for sure! You should not forget about scavengers
  • nm76 30 January 2020 12: 04 New
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    Interestingly, and in 2050, at the price of oil of $ 180, there will be funds to complete the work of the Yamal DBK currently under repair? )))
    1. Thrall 30 January 2020 12: 08 New
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      Quote: nm76
      BDK Yamal

      Yes. The next question?
      1. Nikitich 30 January 2020 12: 18 New
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        Will they raise the floating dock?
        1. nm76 30 January 2020 12: 27 New
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          Which one?
          In this flash mob, to flood the docks, shipbuilders of the Northern Fleet were the first to perform, then the Black Sea team picked up the baton after drowning the PD-60 ...
          Until the year 2050, the Baltic, the Pacific Fleet, should also come forward, and the Caspian Flotilla should not hit the dirt in the face. So now there are two docks, and by then there will be five)))
      2. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 12: 42 New
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        Quote: Thrall
        Quote: nm76
        BDK Yamal

        Yes. The next question?

        "storm", "leader" inhabited moon ...
  • Alex_You 30 January 2020 12: 06 New
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    2050th? For thirty years, no one needs it for nothing.
    1. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 12: 43 New
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      Quote: Alex_You
      2050th? For thirty years, no one needs it for nothing.

      for sure! do not care! the worms are already scooping me up. The “rights” will end so soon, the sons of Solik will be driven away at the metal reception point under their own power. and for the money, they will remember me.
  • rotmistr60 30 January 2020 12: 07 New
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    it will happen by 2050
    Why not predict what will happen in 30 years, all the more so by that time no one will remember this forecast.
    1. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 12: 47 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      it will happen by 2050
      Why not predict what will happen in 30 years, all the more so by that time no one will remember this forecast.

      why?
      1. gridasov 30 January 2020 12: 50 New
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        Because 2050 does not occur immediately - the process of transformation of events of different significance levels leads to it
        1. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 13: 06 New
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          Quote: gridasov
          Because 2050 does not occur immediately - the process of transformation of events of different significance levels leads to it

          oh I beg you ... let's make it easier, without the "Gorbachev rhyming weaving." What do you mean by "events"? I won’t survive, thank God, but I’m interested.
          1. gridasov 30 January 2020 13: 40 New
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            Sorry for the example, but a little splinter can change all your life plans.
            1. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 17: 56 New
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              Quote: gridasov
              Sorry for the example, but a little splinter can change all your life plans.

              provided that the "splinter" is in the wrong place.
  • rocket757 30 January 2020 12: 09 New
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    Shaw, bomb all who bother them, do not like it?
    1. cniza 30 January 2020 12: 39 New
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      They will stir up the war, at least ...
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        They will stir up the war, at least ...

        Yes, if the small-town dismantling, but at the right points, yes at once !!! This is enough, requires less own costs and resources. by the way, and with taut hands, it’s even more beautiful!
        1. cniza 30 January 2020 13: 09 New
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          They will force Iran to block the Persian Gulf, then it will jump out for 300 bucks.
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            Quote: cniza
            They will force Iran to block the Persian Gulf, then it will jump out for 300 bucks.

            that would be epic. I want to live. to see.
          2. gridasov 30 January 2020 13: 37 New
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            Oh no ! The price should be such that the product remains an element of the process of movement and transformation of the resource. Three hundred is no longer a product. For every moment of circumstances there will be a price as a task management tool.
  • cniza 30 January 2020 12: 39 New
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    True, the forecast says that this will happen by 2050. The increase in value will be caused by rising costs in oil production.


    Super forecast ... "either donkey, or padish ..."
    1. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 12: 51 New
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      Quote: cniza
      True, the forecast says that this will happen by 2050. The increase in value will be caused by rising costs in oil production.


      Super forecast ... "either donkey, or padish ..."

      both would ...
      1. cniza 30 January 2020 12: 55 New
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        Maybe both, after 30 years, oil may not be so demanded ...
        1. Aerodrome 30 January 2020 13: 00 New
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          Quote: cniza
          Maybe both, after 30 years, oil may not be so demanded ...

          it is unlikely that until the technology is "oil". until they squeeze out all the juices of the earth, they switch. and when they switch, it turns out that the owners are the same ... they will change the sign and that's it.
  • evgen1221 30 January 2020 13: 01 New
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    And the forecast takes into account the increase in the amount of free helium 3 in the orbit of Alzheimer's comet, the cost of delivering this fuel to Altair and the number of holes in my work robe in the country? And how does this correlate with the spent tellers for Christmas 1678 for a more accurate forecast of the cost of a virtual oil barrel at the end of the year?
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      the number of holes in my work robe in the country?

      you ... this ... get away from the barbecue! yes
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      And how does this correlate with spent talers for Christmas 1678 for more

      judging by the delirium that it is written, it correlates with the drunk hawthorn fellow
      1. evgen1221 31 January 2020 08: 27 New
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        Sarkaz humor and satire comrade apparently in the morning indigestion? But in principle, the very technology of constructing economic forecasts of the value of something I have correctly described in brief.
  • Wolf 30 January 2020 13: 21 New
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    MIN Energy USA as usual troll! The price of oil in the world determines the Fed in the United States. This has no connection with the market and the supply and demand, I strictly control the oil price! OIL was artificially raised to the basic resource of the energy sector, and Teslin’s revelation in the field of energy was triggered by this. This is nonsense!
  • Astoria 30 January 2020 13: 38 New
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    1) According to the forecast by bloomberg, the growth of electric cars by the time indicated in the report will be 100 times up to half a billion cars, which will undoubtedly increase the demand for electricity, and accordingly for gas, since the nuclear industry is in stagnation except Russia and China.
    Since oil is not only fuel and fuels and lubricants, but also petrochemicals, the cost of gas will only grow in the long term (accordingly, gas chemistry will only be more expensive), petrochemical products will also rise in price.
    2) Currently, the fleet exceeds one billion units of transport, so that half a billion + units of transport will operate on fuel and fuels and lubricants.
    3) Oil production with a reduction in easily recoverable reserves will become more expensive.
    4) + dollar inflation.
    5) The use of liquefied natural gas (LNG) in ship engines increases greenhouse gas emissions compared to those using marine gas oil, the report of the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT), published on January 28 on the website this organization.

    So the future of oil prices is very mixed.
  • Zeev Zeev 30 January 2020 13: 50 New
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    In the thirty years to 2050, technology will change and develop another 250 times. Already, there are countries where up to 30 percent of cars drive biofuels.
  • Bobrick 30 January 2020 13: 53 New
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    Those. it turns out that the forecast is based on the planned economic growth for the next 30 years and the cost of oil production, hmm ... The finger-half-ceiling method can give comparable accuracy.

    As an example, when comparing forecasts of the required number of aircraft (according to the United Aircraft Corporation, the number will increase by 2 times), the planned reduction in fuel consumption of aircraft engines (approximately 10% for each generation every 10-15 years, or from 20-30 to 50% for this period) only growth in jet fuel consumption can be from 30-50% compared to the current one.
    Given the balance of fuel (about 40-50% of all refined oil goes to vehicles, about 30% to aviation) and the peak of production of most oil producing countries (in about 33 out of 48 countries, oil production is only declining), the following consequences are likely:
    * oil consumption should grow by at least the same 30-50%
    * The increase in oil production, most likely, will not cover the required increase in consumption.
    In addition to these facts, we can mention the determination of the price of gas from the price of oil when sold on the stock exchanges and at the conclusion of supply transactions.

    Given these factors already, the finger-to-ceiling method can be called the minimum price of $ 400-500 per barrel in 2050 and not greatly downplayed.
  • demiurg 30 January 2020 14: 17 New
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    The forecast does not take into account the explosive growth in the number of electric cars in the world. Accordingly, a decrease in demand for gasoline, diesel fuel and motor oil. In countries where electric cars are more common, motor oil dealers have already reported sharp declines in sales and losses.


    And electricity is taken from the outlet, right? But no, a windmill near each house, and solar panels. After all, everyone lives in a family of three in areas of 4-5 hectares and where 300 sunny days.

    Oil sellers have losses, but battery sellers rub their hands happily.
  • Gleborg 30 January 2020 15: 22 New
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    oil at 180 dollars per barrel

    by that time for a hundred dollars you can buy a whole box of matches laughing
  • Gopstop 30 January 2020 16: 31 New
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    The US Department of Energy is predicting a significant increase in oil prices, which could reach $ 180 per barrel.
    True, the forecast says that this will happen by 2050.

    Then the United States will open up its own wells, if they survive of course ..
  • Stalllker 30 January 2020 16: 49 New
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    Yes, calm down you !!! bully wassat the oil lobby will strangle these electric cars laughing
    1. Gleborg 31 January 2020 01: 34 New
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      there are countries which in the first seams with ecology, in the second there is no oil, so the lobby goes into the sunset for Chupachups ... laughing
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        What prevents the Gulf countries from buying the government of these countries? This is first and secondly, electric cars are many times more expensive and I do not think that the population of problem countries will have the funds to purchase these cars
  • ximkim 30 January 2020 17: 28 New
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    "is the massive start of the production of electric vehicles by major brands" ////
    ------
    Not just Volkswagen. Ford is also a major player in the market. Not to mention sports brands. Jaguar, BMW ...
    Who will buy a Ferrari if the budget Tesla-3 from the traffic light "makes it"?
    Tesla's latest sport reaches 100 km / h in 2.1 sec. Only Porsche is still trying to compete.

    Electric cars will occupy their niche, and even they can move gasoline ones, but provided (and this time will take) the power reserve on the battery should be more than the internal combustion engine .. By the way, in Krasnoyarsk, the first gas station for electric vehicles appeared in 2018 before the winter universiade ... In short. the future is only in the news so far .. sad
    1. Gleborg 31 January 2020 01: 35 New
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      Quote: ximkim
      power reserve on the battery should be more than the internal combustion engine ..

      acb on graphene is a solution to all problems, prototypes are already rolling ...
    2. Stalllker 31 January 2020 05: 19 New
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      This is the most common show in front of foreigners
  • Fantazer911 30 January 2020 17: 51 New
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    In the USA they sleep and see how Russia will break due to a drop in oil prices, but have you seen the composition with five fingers?
  • Mentat 30 January 2020 22: 51 New
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    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: neri73-r
    And what are they going to generate electricity for these cars against the backdrop of a massive abandonment of nuclear energy?

    Rapidly taking off and gaining momentum, nuclear energy is ready to close the top three most effective and profitable areas. The potential of nuclear energy is successfully used in developed countries.
    States that have relied on nuclear power plants. These include South Africa, China, Poland, Australia, as well as Mexico, the Netherlands and Romania.
    States with a high share of nuclear energy: France, Belgium and the Republic of Korea.

    Interestingly, the list of countries does not include Russia, which is the world leader in nuclear technology.
    RUSS, he is such a Russian that there’s nowhere to go.