Russia is ready to create its own missile for the Sea Launch instead of the Ukrainian

The Russian rocket and space center Progress is ready to start creating a rocket for the Sea Launch as soon as S7 Space, which owns a floating spaceport, can afford it. To start work, Progress has all the technical capabilities.

This was stated by the head of the state corporation "Roskosmos" Dmitry Rogozin edition "Expert".

For the “Sea Launch”, it is planned to develop a rocket, which has already received the code name Soyuz-7. Most of the technologies that will be used in it are similar to those used for the Soyuz-5 rocket. The main difference is that the starting weight of Soyuz-5 will be approximately 530 tons, and the rocket for the Sea Launch will be lighter, as it will require less fuel.

Rogozin said that the design of the lower part of the new missiles will be similar to the design of the Ukrainian-made Zenit-3SL rocket, which was previously used for the project. At the same time, Soyuz-7 will be more powerful than its predecessor.

S7 Space had to look for a replacement for the rocket manufacturer for the Sea Launch project after it turned out that the Ukrainian enterprise Yuzhmash, which produced Zenit-3SL, was currently unable to establish mass production of these products.

Comments

[maxim947]

I will say more, this is already being done. Only with the deadlines seems to be a complete disaster.

[Thrall]

What exactly is this statement of Rogozin?
Sign a contract, then report on success.
What are these potential virtual victories for in the long run?

[maxim947]

Sea launch still stands on the enemy coast.
There is no money, but the appetite is more than the stomach, so there are forecasts.

[michael2000]

I will support - when there is a lot of screaming that we will do something, then in the end there remains one dust that was knocked out of our own sternum when we knocked there with our heels.

[maidan.izrailovich]

Thrall
What exactly is this statement of Rogozin?

But you never know what Rogozin says.
Roscosmos State Corporation consists of individual companies. Many of which are joint stock companies. With its development programs.
S7 Space is generally an LLC. With whom he wants to and collaborates. Rogozin is not a decree for them at all.

S7 Space intends to create the Orbital Cosmodrome [9] based on the elements of the ISS. The project is proposed to be implemented at the turn of 2022-2024 in the format of a concession agreement for the ISS Russian segment [10] [11]. TsNIImash supported the proposals of S7 Space for the implementation of the project [12]. On December 25, 2018, S7 Space announced that work on the project has begun[

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/S7_Space

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Quote: Thrall

What exactly is this statement of Rogozin?

This is not "Rogozin's statement" - this is an answer to a specific question for an Expert journalist. And it consists in the following - RCC "Progress" will make a rocket for S7, if they can (financially) order it. What is not clear to you?

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Quote: Thrall

What exactly is this statement of Rogozin?

this tops from 2019
В июне 2019 Dmitry Rogozin, General Director of Roscosmos, announced during the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum that he had introduced S7 Space representatives to the director and design personnel of the Progress RCC. According to him, the state corporation is ready to either supply components, or create a rocket according to the technical specifications of a private company.

At present, the specialists of our enterprise are discussing with S7 Space the tactical and technical requirements for the launch vehicle to support launches from the Sea Launch RSC and the timing of the main stages of work

, - noted in the RCC "Progress".

Quote: author

This was stated by the head of the state corporation "Roskosmos" Dmitry Rogozin to the publication "Expert".

1. I doubt that Rogozin will "give" an "expert" ... interviews, of course. not that rag
2. This news issued by the author on the expert is not (although my hands can be crooked)

3.IT Interview was given by TASS, in the spring of 2019
1 + 2 + 3 = fake anonymous again?

[New Year day]

Quote: Thrall

What exactly is this statement of Rogozin?

how about what? Dust in the eyes.
“There are billions being stolen, billions. Moreover, the technology is very simple - first the money is transferred, the family, and then the person involved. ”- Head of the Investigative Committee of Russia Alexander Bastrykino of theft identified in the state corporation Roscosmos (2019)

[1959ain]

Quote: maxim947

I will say more, this is already being done. Only with the deadlines seems to be a complete disaster.

The main thing that would not fall

[SovAr238A]

Quote: maxim947

I will say more, this is already being done. Only with the deadlines seems to be a complete disaster.

well yes. well yes...
Have you ever been to Samara?

Every dog ​​in Samara knows everything that the TsSKB Progress does.
And no "engaged" - no.
Projection. "Give me money" - that's what it's called.
TsSKB Progress is a rotten enterprise through and through.

Rotting began at the moment when they began to postpone the giving to the enterprise workers of the army.
And the general nepotism began.
the fruits of which we are reaping now ...

[New Year day]

Quote: SovAr238A

TsSKB Progress is a rotten enterprise through and through.

for some reason I'm not surprised

[BARKAS]

SARMAT can be tested without conversion.

[rocket757]

I can, I can not .... NECESSARY, do it! No, then no ....

[Olgovich]

the design of the bottom of the new missiles will be similar to the design of the rocket Ukrainian production of Zenit-3SL, which was previously used for the project. At the same time, Soyuz-7 will be more powerful than its predecessor.

"Ukrainian", yes:

First stage
The main structure is made of aluminum and includes solid profiled reinforcement elements. This stage is equipped with an engine. RD-171M, developed by the leading rocket and space design bureau of Russia, NPO Energomash

Zenit-3SL rocket control systemDeveloped and manufactured in the Scientific and Production Association of Automation and Instrument Engineering (Moscow) etc.

[Mountain shooter]

S7 is seriously investing in space ... Why? Private companies rarely invest in something that does not promise a profit. So they are ready to make a rocket ... At least "in a club"!

[bessmertniy]

Degradation of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine leads to a decrease in export earnings and trade with Russia.

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Quote: bessmertniy

Degradation of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine

after all, our enterprises had everything ready to launch the "Ukrainian satellite Lebed":

the satellite itself -

upper stage "Fregat-SB" -

and even parts of the rocket itself were already ready

Canada paid for everything (!) But they "sawed off their leg" in the end.

[knn54]

Is it really impossible to create conditions for the emergence of "own" Elon Musk?

[kupitman]

So we have it, only he has already died, this is Sergey Mavrodi.

[cniza]

Rogozin said that the design of the bottom of the new missiles will be similar to the design of the Ukrainian-made Zenit-3SL rocket, which was previously used for the project.

It’s bad when a journalist does such things ...

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Quote: cniza

It’s bad when a journalist does such things ...

It is bad when the commentator lacks an elementary technical education. The launch ring of the missile at the SeaLonch launch complex is sharpened to the diameter of the Zenit-2 missile. That is why the diameter of the tail section of the Soyuz-7, as by the way of the Soyuz-5, is the same. But the diameter of the tanks is already different, they are wider.

[cniza]

I tell you about the round, and you tell me about the hot ...

[nm76]

And why did we (Russia) buy the Sea Launch?
We have several of our own operating ones, one leased and one under construction ... we have many cosmodromes, but few launches.

[Grits]

Really.
Baikonur, Plesetsk, Vostochny, and Kapustin Yar can also be added there. Now also the Sea Launch (which, incidentally, they plan to drag to Primorye in Slavyanka). There are more spaceports than the United States. Here are just half the space satellites than the Americans.

[Lord of the Sith]

Another Kourou in French Guiana, our missiles are also launched there.

[Vasily Ponomarev]

there are clearly fewer cosmodromes, they have at least 13 of them https://pikabu.ru/story/v_ssha_nachalsya_bum_stroitelstva_kosmodromov_5342736

[Genry]

Quote: Gritsa

Sea launch

"Sea Launch" is intended to reduce the cost of launches due to its proximity to the equator.
The remaining cosmodromes have their own list of launched missiles and possible (safe) launch paths (directions).

[A009]

Maybe the whole thing is that we (Russia) did not buy it?
this private company and private transaction. What they want is what they buy.

[nm76]

95% of the shares of the sea launch belong to the Energy Corporation ...
Find a relationship with Russia yourself please!

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: nm76

95% of the shares of the sea launch belong to the Energy Corporation ...

Not anymore. And for a long time already. Learn the materiel.

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Quote: nm76

95% of the shares of the sea launch belong to the Energy Corporation ...

Left behind from life. The Sea Launch platform has long been purchased from RSC Energia by the private company S7 Space Systems.

[nm76]

Yes, thanks for making the adjustment, I really lost sight of the change in ownership of the sea launch.
I read about S7 space and understood why I had not heard about them. For almost four years of ownership of the sea launch, only plans were announced.
Of course, I can be mistaken, but the S7 Space is like an E-mobile from Prokhorov or Marussia from Fomenko - only plans, timing adjustments, global ambitions ...

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Quote: nm76

Yes, thanks for making the adjustment, I really lost sight of the change in ownership of the sea launch.
I read about S7 space and understood why I had not heard about them. For almost four years of ownership of the sea launch, only plans were announced.

S7 is a successful aviation company, S7 space is its space division, which appeared relatively recently, and at the end of 2017 its specialists already participated in the launch of a space rocket from Baikonur. To use the Sea Launch, it was necessary to transfer the platform and the command ship to Russian jurisdiction - which took some time, only recently they received permission from the former co-owner, and it will take a couple of years to produce the first missile under the SL.

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

Rogozin said that the design of the lower part of the new missiles will be similar to the design of the Ukrainian-made Zenit-3SL rocket, which was previously used for the project. At the same time, Soyuz-7 will be more powerful than its predecessor.

Ahhhh, Rogozin !!! Well, if Rogozin said, then everything will be fine!
And if Rogozin also ate the earth, tore his shirt, "I swear by my mother" he said! Then I am completely calm about the future of Russian cosmonautics.
Nails would be made of these people ... Like Rogozin.

[Barmaleyka]

Russia is ready to create its own missile for the Sea Launch instead of the Ukrainian

FUN !!!!!
Ready!!!
Create, then create and yell, otherwise the hen is always in the nest ...

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Quote: Barmaleyka

Ready!!!

What confuses you? The carrier production technologies are currently being tested on the creation of our new Soyuz-5 rocket - all work is proceeding according to the schedule, tanks, intertanks and a number of units of the first stage of the carrier rocket are being manufactured. Or do you think that "S7 space systems", having a platform for a specific carrier, will be able to launch something else from it? Without spending a lot of money on rework?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

What bothers you?

crowing

Quote: slipped

moment are being worked out on the creation of our new rocket "Soyuz-5"

Do not specify what is with the east and what is with the hangar ?!

Quote: slipped

Or do you think that "S7 space systems", having a platform for a specific carrier, will be able to launch something else from it? Without spending a lot of money on rework?

I think that we don’t need to crow, they did it, and ONLY AFTER THIS, SCREAM FOR THE WHOLE WORLD

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Quote: Barmaleyka

crowing

"Crow" while as soon as you are here - knocking on the keys.

Quote: Barmaleyka

Do not specify what is with the east and what is with the hangar ?!

To clarify, the second package of the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle has already been assembled at Vostochny, for the launching commercial company OneWeb, out of five sets delivered there earlier.

The construction of a launch complex for the Amur spacecraft is underway



The second heavy vehicle is being prepared for shipment to Plesetsk, to continue its flight design tests in the summer.

Quote: Barmaleyka

I think that we don’t need to crow, they did it, and ONLY AFTER THIS, SCREAM FOR THE WHOLE WORLD

Do you have cognitive dissonance? It says - this is an offer from the manufacturer, which you can refuse, or you can not refuse and receive dividends. What do you not understand?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

I will clarify - in the East

Yes, at least start wondering how much from the schedule the launch of the eastern one is behind?
Describe the start-up time for the Baikonur to you?

Quote: slipped

The construction of a launch complex for the Amur spacecraft is underway

I have clearly and distinctly asked you in Russian what happened with ANGARA ?!

Quote: slipped

Do you have cognitive dissonance? It says - this is an offer from the manufacturer, which you can refuse, or you can not refuse and receive dividends. What do you not understand?

this is your dissonance, for today the main thing is not to create but to shout about creating

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Quote: Barmaleyka

Yes, at least start wondering how much from the schedule the launch of the eastern one is behind?

Not at all. The launch company begins in April.

Quote: Barmaleyka

Describe the start-up time for the Baikonur to you?

From Baikonur, the first batch flies on February XNUMXth. The delay is solely related to the testing of spacecraft at the customer.

Quote: Barmaleyka

I have clearly and distinctly asked you in Russian what happened with ANGARA ?!

And I told you clearly and clearly - getting ready to be sent to Plesetsk. What is not clear to you?

Quote: Barmaleyka

this is your dissonance, for today the main thing is not to create but to shout about creating

And where is someone screaming about creation? Hey, we are just beginning testing parts and elements of the Soyuz-5 rocket this year. Is it unclear what? The rocket will be made by 2023, not earlier.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

Not at all. The launch company begins in April.

Do not specify the date of the first manned launch?

[Barmaleyka]

understand don't specify

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Quote: Barmaleyka

Do not specify the date of the first manned launch?

understand don't specify

He asked himself, answered himself.

The first manned launch from the Vostochny cosmodrome at the NPP is scheduled for 2025. The ship is flying to the ISS as part of the tests.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

"Vostochny" at the PTK NP is scheduled for 2025. The ship is flying to the ISS as part of the tests.

But what about the bravura speeches of the "journalist" about 18 years ?!
did I come up with the same thing?

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Quote: Barmaleyka

But what about the bravura speeches of the "journalist" about 18 years ?!
did I come up with the same thing?

Can't you read? Plans in 2016 have changed. They began to make another ship. Heavy for the moon.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

lans changed in 2016

this you do not understand read
in the Union, when a rocket was launched, TWO messages were prepared and when they didn’t yell in advance, they landed, and now they said one thing, a year later the other, and after two they changed plans, isn’t it easier if it’s easier to make you look stupid after that ?!

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Quote: Barmaleyka

this you do not understand read
in the Union, when a rocket was launched, TWO messages were being prepared and when they did not scream in advance, they landed

It’s stupid so far only you look confusing different launches of different rockets.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

And where is someone screaming about creation? Hey, we are just beginning testing parts and elements of the Soyuz-5 rocket this year. Is it unclear what? The rocket will be made by 2023, not earlier.

Once again, first do it after announcing, and not as loudly declare now, but as a pat, it either worked, or it didn’t work, or they started another project altogether

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Quote: Barmaleyka

Once again, first do it after announcing, and not as loudly declare now, but as a pat, it either worked, or it didn’t work, or they started another project altogether

This is what happens in your virtual reality. They wrote to you in human language: if they can buy a rocket, we’ll make a special version for them.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

This is what happens in your virtual reality.

tackle further, from this the holes in the cases will disappear, the connectors will connect correctly and the hangar will take off

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Quote: Barmaleyka

about the holes in the cases will disappear

The household compartment has long been burned out in the atmosphere, the crew returned to Earth.

Quote: Barmaleyka

the connectors will connect correctly

For this, the cameras were installed. All 25 launches of last year are successful.

Quote: Barmaleyka

and the hangar will take off

All new military heavy payloads are being created today for this missile. Launches from Plesetsk this year.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

The household compartment has long been burned out in the atmosphere, the crew returned to Earth.

the question is not who burned where, but why the holes appear sealed with "scotch tape"

Quote: slipped

For this, the cameras were installed.

normal people do not set cameras and train professionals, but judging by the fact that the journalist controls the space, the camera is closer to him

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All new military heavy payloads are being created today for this missile. Launches from Plesetsk this year.

Once again I’m talking about what you need to do first and then scream, until everything is the other way around and it looks to put it mildly not very

26 March 2018 year in response to a media request from the Communications Directorate of the Center named after Khrunichev was informed that the enterprise had begun manufacturing the first heavy-class Angara-A5 launch vehicle for launch scheduled for 2021 from Vostochny Cosmodrome

October 23 2019 years General Designer of Design Bureau "Salute" Center. M. Khrunicheva Sergey Kuznetsov told the media that Angara-A5M, which will replace Angara-A5, which does not meet the requirements of the Russian Ministry of Defense, will be first launched in late 2024 years from the Vostochny Cosmodrome

why call a date if you are not sure? !!!
or do you want PR and look beautiful?

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Quote: Barmaleyka

normal people do not set cameras and prepare professionals

Exactly, schoolboy Professionals are being trained, do not be slow.

Quote: Barmaleyka

March 26, 2018 ... launch scheduled for 2021 from Vostochny Cosmodrome

The start of construction of the USK KRK "Amur" was delayed for a year. And rockets do not fly without SC. Therefore, the launch of the A5 from Vostochny is planned today in 2023, after graduation construction of the second stage, and not just the "start-up minimum" as before. Construction is in full swing.

Quote: Barmaleyka

October 23, 2019 ..... will be first launched at the end of 2024 from the Vostochny Cosmodrome

So what? any missile is being upgraded. Proton-M had four of them in 20 years.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

"Crow" while as soon as you are here - knocking on the keys.

specially for uryaklov
from the speech of "journalist" Rogozin in 14
"The first launch of a carrier rocket from Vostochny is planned at the end of 2015, and in 2018, a manned spacecraft will take off for the first time from there."
don’t specify WHAT is the year today, I haven’t heard something about manned launches
and there were only 5 simple ones from him, and the first one was not at 15 as our journalist swore but a year later

so what about crowing ?!

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Quote: Barmaleyka

"The first launch of a carrier rocket from Vostochny is planned at the end of 2015"

Especially for the "cackling on the keys" - the first launch of the LV from the "Vostochny" took place in 2016.

Quote: Barmaleyka

and in 2018, a manned spacecraft will take off for the first time from there. "[/ i]

The then considered launch of the Soyuz-MS TPK from the C1 site of the Vostochny cosmodrome was canceled back in 2016 in favor of creating a new carrier and spacecraft. The video of the construction of a new universal launch complex for them is above.

Quote: Barmaleyka

don’t specify WHAT today is the year, I didn’t hear something about manned launches and there were only 5 simple launches from it, and the first was not at 15 as our journalist swore but a year later

But still remembered that the first launch was still?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

Especially for the "cackling on the keys" - the first launch of the LV from the "Vostochny" took place in 2016.

you either play the fool or cannot read
once again for the illiterate, the first launch was late for a YEAR, it should have been launched at 15 in the 16th, doesn’t it seem a little expensive to build a cosmodrome for ONE launch a year, namely such a volume of launches in 4 years of operation

Quote: slipped

The then considered launch of the Soyuz-MS TPK from the C1 site of the Vostochny cosmodrome was canceled back in 2016 in favor of creating a new carrier and spacecraft.

all the same, probably you aren’t fooling around, once again this is exactly what I wrote about, we crow first, and after ... transferring starts, canceling projects, etc.
normal people do first and after that they tell everyone about it

Quote: slipped

But still remembered that the first launch was still?

CAREFULLY read what you wrote
FIRST LAUNCH 15 year FIRST LAUNCHED 18 year launch
one was delayed for a year, the second is generally delayed

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Quote: Barmaleyka

the first launch was delayed for a YEAR, was supposed to be at 15 launched in 16 distance

You can’t even count the campaign, schoolboy? From the end of 2015 to April 28 - 4 months. Those. late less than six months.

Quote: Barmaleyka

Don't you think that it’s a little unprofitable to build a cosmodrome for ONE launch a year, namely such a volume of launches in 4 years

It does not seem. The cosmodrome is a very long time, for a century and beyond. What payloads were allowed to run from it - they launched. Starting in 2020, we can already afford to launch commercial airborne vehicles - that's why five missiles were delivered to this launch pad. With the construction of additional facilities, including sites for testing new technology, the range of products launched will only increase.

Quote: Barmaleyka

all the same, probably you aren’t fooling around, once again this is exactly what I wrote about, we crow first, and after ... transferring starts, canceling projects, etc.

The manned program with launches of Soyuz MS and Progress MS on the ISS is being successfully carried out from Baikonur. It was considered inappropriate to create a duplicate infrastructure in 2016 using technologies of the previous generation - they decided to continue to use the infrastructure of Baikonur and even conduct the first tests of the NP PTK there. But Kazakhstan is delaying the reconstruction of its launch site. Therefore, tests of a new heavy ship for the Moon were returned to Vostochny. The launch of the Eagle model is planned for 2023.

Quote: Barmaleyka

normal people do first and after that they tell everyone about it

"And he told this, well, so beautiful! That I almost fell into the clutches of Tel Aviv." Musk there something about Mars weaved ... probably lied.

[Barmaleyka]

2015 to April 28 - 4 months.

Well, yes, well, yes, not in such a distant future they would be leaning against the wall, and if you take into account WHAT was happening during the construction, then before that there would have been a very "fun" life in the basements of the Lubyanka, and you somehow nicely bypass the question hangars and manned flights

Quote: slipped

Musk there something about Mars weaved ... probably lied.

Yes, I do not care about the mask, there they let them all at least manage, I will only be glad
I don't want shit to go around

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Quote: Barmaleyka

well, yes, well, yes, not in such a distant future they would have leaned against the wall for this, and if we take into account WHAT was happening during the construction, then before that there would have been a very "fun" life in the basements of the Lubyanka,

Everyone who committed the theft, and these are the leaders of Spetsstroy (Khrizman and Co.) and its contracting organizations, sat down for various periods.

Quote: Barmaleyka

and you kindly bypass the issue of hangars and manned flights

and you are so stupidly stupid in my answers.

Quote: Barmaleyka

I don't want shit to go around

rustic?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

Everyone who committed the theft, and these are the leaders of Spetsstroy (Khrizman and Co.) and its contracting organizations, sat down for various periods.

sure?

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and you are so stupidly stupid in my answers.

direct answer will be

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rustic?

in elderberry garden
Do you really think that winning relations, and after not fulfilling promises are perceived differently?

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Quote: Barmaleyka

sure?

Concerning 58 persons, sentences have been passed in which convicts received up to 11 and a half years in prison

Quote: Barmaleyka

direct answer will be

Bench tests are underway, after they are completed this quarter, the rocket will be sent to Plesetsk, launch by decision of the Moscow Region.

Quote: Barmaleyka

in elderberry garden
Do you really think that winning relations, and after not fulfilling promises are perceived differently?

I do not see any "failures". Everything that is stated is in the work. This also applies to new carriers and their payload.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

I don't see any "failures". Everything that is stated is in the work.

When do they announce the launch at 18 and then transfer to after 24 is this performance or not performance?

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Quote: Barmaleyka

When do they announce the launch at 18 and then transfer to after 24 is this performance or not performance?

This is banal pragmatism in the context of budget sequestration and nothing more. Remind you that in 2016, Roscosmos received half of the money for its space program from what was needed for its previously launched projects? That is why some projects have been moved to the right. Note - not closed, but moved, with prioritization. All funding was directed to those closest to readiness. And this was the right decision and the latest launches have confirmed it. And the creation of a manned system on Vostochny by 2018 on the basis of Soyuz, let me remind you that only the launch of this launch vehicle was created there, would lead to the dispersion of funds. Now a start is being built there for a new rocket and for a new ship. The readiness of both the launch and the rocket and the new ship for the first tests at the same time is 2023. The main systems of the ship and its TZP will be checked. And after the assembly of the rocket modification certified for manned flight, there will be an unmanned flight to the ISS of a full-fledged spacecraft in 2024. The cosmonauts will fly in the third launch already in 2025. This is what concerns the current federal space program.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: slipped

This is banal pragmatism in the context of budget sequestration and more.

this is called balabolstvo
say a lot shouted Lavrenty Palych about the timing and what does ?!
or Korolev in the stands announced the timing?

[Last centurion]

In place of s7, I would order design from Mask, and even return it to some barge # 2 ... just not the fact that he needs competitors

[Victor March 47]

Quote: knn54

Is it really impossible to create conditions for the emergence of "own" Elon Musk?

We had a lot of them. Mavrodi, Chubais, Berezovsky ..... What is this swindler so famous for? By the fact that he most beautifully mastered the experience of the USSR in drafting grandiose plans and with his hands attached to the state budget.

[Blackmokona]

Created the world's largest electric car manufacturer? Captured the commercial satellite launches market?
Well and so on

[for]

Quote: knn54

Is it really impossible to create conditions for the emergence of "own" Elon Musk?

We already have Rogozin.

[sinoptic]

Why can’t you put a light hangar on a sea launch?
... or just one of the hangar versions

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Quote: sinoptic

Why can’t you put a light hangar on a sea launch?
... or just one of the hangar versions

And why is there a "light Angara"? There, an average rocket is needed to launch 5 and a half tons on the GSO - this is exactly the size of most geostationary satellites. And the average A3, will require a radical redesign of the entire SL structure.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: BlackMokona

Created the world's largest electric car manufacturer? Captured the commercial satellite launches market?
Well and so on

Let's start with "TD". A vacuum locomotive rolling at speeds above sound. In the pipe. A metro that transports not passengers, but cars with passengers according to an address-programmable system, when an auto platform from the surface is lowered into a tunnel, puts it on the platform and carries, with the re-laying of the rails, on assignment, unloading a passenger in his car on the surface. Home solar roof power plants that return electricity to the grid. An energy storage facility in Australia that stores and produces hundreds of megawatts of electricity. True, consisting of 15 million out of order and restored finger-type batteries, made by the Chinese. A station that is CONSTANTLY undergoing repair and replacement of dead elements. A specialist (not you, idiot) understands what it means to have 149 Megawatts of installed capacity and generate 100 Megawatts. This means that the third part is permanently turned off and replaced. And he understands that the battery is not a source. It is a DRIVE, in which you first need to put it, and then pull it out. And this is a double conversion that loses 30% in system efficiency.
Monopolist in the production of cars.
If this is so, then, the popularity and effectiveness of electric cars is such that they, for the most part, do not need anyone, and world mastodons do not work where there is no wide market. If I did something in a single copy, then I am a monopolist, the manufacturer of 100% of this iron. But this does not mean anything about popularity and attractiveness. Got it, that your arithmetic is arithmetic and so on?
Further. Where are the promised 10 starts of EVERY first stage after 24 hours of maintenance and restoration of this ability? And where are 100 of these flights? Where is the reusable spaceship carrying passengers and tourists into orbit? Where are the starts to Mars, because tickets have already been sold there for an entire army of colonialists?
And finally. It is not he who is running, it is we who have stopped.
He is up to our number of starts as before Mongolia on four wheels.

[JonnyT]

Why are you doing this with the adaptations of the sect of the ingenious Mask)

If the Russian Federation is ready to create a replacement for the zenith, then why did Dnepropetrovsk purchase a lot of tons of aluminum from the Russian Federation?

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Quote: JonnyT

why did Dnepropetrovsk buy from Russia many tons of aluminum?

They are still making first-stage tanks for the Antares launch vehicle - this is their last kind of "joint" program with Russia, through the American company Orbital ATK (part of Northrop Grumman), which is the integrator and customer of the project.

[Blackmokona]

You even flew away. A simple example is that he does not sell tickets to Mars at all, where does the information about breaking the battery system in Australia come from? From there, only messages about its super-profitability and its super-efficiency go, most of the starts indicated in the table are the USSR, and not the Russian Federation. Etc

[Victor March 47]

Quote: JonnyT

Why are you doing this with the adaptations of the sect of the ingenious Mask)

It is necessary to rub their faces on the asphalt.

[Dikson]

Mask for a week became richer by one and a half billion dollars .. this is our effective and never dreamed of ...

[Elephant]

Why did you conclude a contract with Ukrainian Yuzhmash for the supply of aluminum? Selling resources again, instead of high-tech products. It turns out that we are helping the economy of banderlogs and merikos, and they are giving us new sanctions as a thank you.

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Quote: Elephant

Why did you conclude a contract with Ukrainian Yuzhmash for the supply of aluminum?

Elementary. Because they supply tanks of the first stage of "Antares" to America, for which we supply rocket engines as part of the ISS replenishment program. And the ISS is an international project.

[Elephant]

This is a no brainer. I admit that part of our aluminum can be used for the needs of their defense.

[Old26]

Quote: Gritsa

Baikonur, Plesetsk, Vostochny, and Kapustin Yar can also be added there.

Kapustin Yar - hardly. The only operating "space" site is 107, but there was a launch complex for 11K63 missiles, which were made in Ukraine and have not been produced for a long time. Now only "Topol" at Kura and "Topol-E" at Sary-Shagan are being fired from there

Quote: Gritsa

There are more spaceports than the United States. Here are just half the space satellites than the Americans.

They have NINE of them, so no more.

Quote: Olgovich

"Ukrainian", yes:
First stage
The main structure is made of aluminum and includes solid profiled reinforcement elements. This stage is equipped with an RD-171M engine developed by the leading rocket and space design bureau of Russia, NPO Energomash

The Zenit-3SL missile control system was developed and is being produced at the Scientific-Production Association of Automation and Instrument-Making (Moscow), etc.

Rockets, like airplanes, are usually considered to be someone else's place of final assembly. Zenith was made in Ukraine. Voevoda may have even more Russian components than Zenit - but it is considered a Ukrainian missile at the place of construction and assembly

[Victor March 47]

Quote: BlackMokona

You even flew away. A simple example is that he does not sell tickets to Mars at all, where does the information about breaking the battery system in Australia come from? From there, only messages about its super-profitability and its super-efficiency go, most of the starts indicated in the table are the USSR, and not the Russian Federation. Etc

If you got married and you have a new surname, are you the same? Or began to live from the beginning?
What the hell do you cling to formalities? Russia created both the USSR and the new Russia. And so, about iron and says nothing.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: BlackMokona

You even flew away. A simple example is that he does not sell tickets to Mars at all, where does the information about breaking the battery system in Australia come from? From there, only messages about its super-profitability and its super-efficiency go, most of the starts indicated in the table are the USSR, and not the Russian Federation. Etc

52 million greens. This is the ticket price for today. Defined by the rogue himself. One way, of course. For there is no chance to fly back. Fly alive on Mars is already a big question. For radiation in open space, without protection from it by the Earth’s body, belts, is much stronger. Well, and on a surface where there is no magnetic field, practically the atmosphere ....


If you do not know how to calculate using arithmetic methods - "We have an installed capacity of 149, we generate 100, then the remainder of 49 is ballast" - a worthless price for you as a student. What can we say about the theory of reliability, which says that the probability of a system's uptime is considered the multiplication of the probabilities of uptime for all components. That with 15 million components, the probability of unity, even in 0,99999999999, multiplied by itself 15 million times, will give ..... You can do it, or help?

[Blackmokona]

Firstly, Musk does not sell tickets if he sells a link to it in the studio
Secondly, the price of future tickets he announced in the region of 200 thousand dollars
Thirdly, a return ticket if the person does not wish to stay

[Victor March 47]

Quote: BlackMokona

Firstly, Musk does not sell tickets if he sells a link to it in the studio
Secondly, the price of future tickets he announced in the region of 200 thousand dollars
Thirdly, a return ticket if the person does not wish to stay

And what to fly back to? Are you completely crazy?

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: BlackMokona

Firstly, Musk does not sell tickets if he sells a link to it in the studio
Secondly, the price of future tickets he announced in the region of 200 thousand dollars
Thirdly, a return ticket if the person does not wish to stay

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1094796246613516289

Translation of what you take off.

It depends on the volume, but I'm sure that moving to Mars (a return ticket is free) Once, on a wonderful day It will cost less than 500 thousand. Dollars. And maybe even below 100 thousand. Dollars. Small enough for most people in advanced economies to sell their home on Earth and move to Mars if they want to.

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: BlackMokona

Firstly, Musk does not sell tickets if he sells a link to it in the studio
Secondly, the price of future tickets he announced in the region of 200 thousand dollars
Thirdly, a return ticket if the person does not wish to stay

And what to fly back to? Are you completely crazy?

On the BFR. Are you completely unaware of the system he is developing?

[Victor March 47]

Quote: BlackMokona

Firstly, Musk does not sell tickets if he sells a link to it in the studio
Secondly, the price of future tickets he announced in the region of 200 thousand dollars
Thirdly, a return ticket if the person does not wish to stay

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1094796246613516289

[Victor March 47]

Quote: BlackMokona

On the BFR. Are you completely unaware of the system that he is developing

That is, a crocodile from head to tail has 6 arshins, and tail to head is already 12. If a flight of HERE required one amount of fuel, then about the same, on the contrary. The difference in mass when starting from a planet with a rarer atmosphere and less attraction. In other words, you need to take almost double the amount from Earth’s orbit. And not low boiling, because there will be leaks over such a long period. So don’t make it up.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: BlackMokona

On the BFR. Are you completely unaware of the system that he is developing

That is, a crocodile from head to tail has 6 arshins, and tail to head is already 12. If a flight of HERE required one amount of fuel, then about the same, on the contrary. The difference in mass when starting from a planet with a rarer atmosphere and less attraction. In other words, you need to take almost double the amount from Earth’s orbit. And not low boiling, because there will be leaks over such a long period. So don’t make it up.

Can you read what you criticize for a start?
And then Mask has there the extraction of fuel on Mars in the plan. So you don’t need to take any double amount of fuel

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Dikson

Mask for a week became richer by one and a half billion dollars .. this is our effective and never dreamed of ...

His cheating is known. But those who pray to these stumps do not understand that the count on the head is comic. One of the ways is that instead of a bonus, employees issue shares of their company. And it riches on the value of shares, impoverishing each individual shareholder, since the share of each decreases.
Works on pre-orders. Collecting someone else's loot and weld it in the bank. A queue for a year is the norm for him. Excluding taxation for this transaction. Receiving subsidies from the budget for the use of "green" energy, which is still produced in a dirty way. Receiving preferences LOBBYING their agents in the Senate and other government agencies We call it a bribe. And it is jurisdictional. Although, admittedly, not very effective. There it is within the framework of the law, that is, it is not subject to jurisdiction by definition.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: BlackMokona

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: BlackMokona

On the BFR. Are you completely unaware of the system that he is developing

That is, a crocodile from head to tail has 6 arshins, and tail to head is already 12. If a flight of HERE required one amount of fuel, then about the same, on the contrary. The difference in mass when starting from a planet with a rarer atmosphere and less attraction. In other words, you need to take almost double the amount from Earth’s orbit. And not low boiling, because there will be leaks over such a long period. So don’t make it up.

Can you read what you criticize for a start?
And then Mask has there the extraction of fuel on Mars in the plan. So you don’t need to take any double amount of fuel

You- absolutely .... First you need to FIND. Oil, gas, water, or whatever it is ... Build a refinery in this place. Accumulation. A missile service plant, and a launch complex similar to Earth. And it’s with the power of ten boobies, like you. And BEFORE this, deploy a subsoil settlement.
Yours already got it. Get away from sin.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: BlackMokona

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: BlackMokona

On the BFR. Are you completely unaware of the system that he is developing

That is, a crocodile from head to tail has 6 arshins, and tail to head is already 12. If a flight of HERE required one amount of fuel, then about the same, on the contrary. The difference in mass when starting from a planet with a rarer atmosphere and less attraction. In other words, you need to take almost double the amount from Earth’s orbit. And not low boiling, because there will be leaks over such a long period. So don’t make it up.

Can you read what you criticize for a start?
And then Mask has there the extraction of fuel on Mars in the plan. So you don’t need to take any double amount of fuel

You- absolutely .... First you need to FIND. Oil, gas, water, or whatever it is ... Build a refinery in this place. Accumulation. A missile service plant, and a launch complex similar to Earth. And it’s with the power of ten boobies, like you. And BEFORE this, deploy a subsoil settlement.
Yours already got it. Get away from sin.

You don’t even know on what fuel the BFR flies? Can you finally read about the rocket and the project, and only then will we talk? And then retell you all lazy like that.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: BlackMokona

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: BlackMokona

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: BlackMokona

On the BFR. Are you completely unaware of the system that he is developing

That is, a crocodile from head to tail has 6 arshins, and tail to head is already 12. If a flight of HERE required one amount of fuel, then about the same, on the contrary. The difference in mass when starting from a planet with a rarer atmosphere and less attraction. In other words, you need to take almost double the amount from Earth’s orbit. And not low boiling, because there will be leaks over such a long period. So don’t make it up.

Can you read what you criticize for a start?
And then Mask has there the extraction of fuel on Mars in the plan. So you don’t need to take any double amount of fuel

You- absolutely .... First you need to FIND. Oil, gas, water, or whatever it is ... Build a refinery in this place. Accumulation. A missile service plant, and a launch complex similar to Earth. And it’s with the power of ten boobies, like you. And BEFORE this, deploy a subsoil settlement.
Yours already got it. Get away from sin.

You don’t even know on what fuel the BFR flies? Can you finally read about the rocket and the project, and only then will we talk? And then retell you all lazy like that.

And what, is this unique fuel in a native form lying everywhere, in the Solar system? I got it. It is necessary, the Earth gave birth to such beats.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: nm76

And why did we (Russia) buy the Sea Launch?
We have several of our own operating ones, one leased and one under construction ... we have many cosmodromes, but few launches.

Sea launch is necessary. You can choose a bunch of start places. Excavation routes should not fly over cities. There were still no debris in the streets.
Further. The rocket should look at what the launcher needs. And this is Seattle today and Vancouver tomorrow. To fly over the right place, you need to wait for months, or spend a lot of fuel on a horizontal maneuver. Satellites do not carry so much on themselves. and the carrier from the sea launch is not that heavy, medium can not be launched. Not to mention the equatorial orbits that lift decently heavier satellites with the same carriers.

[Avior]

S7 Space had to look for a replacement for the rocket manufacturer for the Sea Launch project after it turned out that the Ukrainian enterprise Yuzhmash, which produced Zenit-3SL, was currently unable to establish mass production of these products.

I don’t know where the author got it from. It would be interesting to see the link from where infa.
In other sources

On March 7, RIA Novosti reported that the Russian private company S12 Space, which had previously bought the Sea Launch Cosmodrome, wants to suspend, and later terminate, a contract involving the production of 7 Zenit missiles by Ukrainian Yuzhmash. The agency cited a “source in the space and rocket industry.” However, Roscosmos noted that they did not know anything about the alleged termination of the contract, and SXNUMX announced that the agreement would continue. Now the situation was also commented by the press service of Yuzhmash. “At present, Yuzhmash has no official communications from the customer regarding the alleged termination of the contract. For its part, Yuzhmash does not intend to initiate this issue, ”the company said.

The press service of the Southern Machine-Building Plant noted that it has an order for three Zenit launch vehicles, for which a partial payment has already been received. Work is carried out within the previously agreed schedule.

further confirmed denial

The Russian company S7 Space, which owns the Sea Launch (Sea Launch) floating spaceport, suspended the contract for the production of 12 Zenit 3SL Ukrainian launch vehicles. About this agency RIA Novosti told a source in the rocket and space industry in Russia.

According to him, the leadership of S7 Space informed the Ukrainian enterprise Yuzhmash about the suspension and the planned termination of the contract.

Information about the planned termination of the agreement was confirmed by a source in S7 Space. He said that in April the production of rockets will be frozen at the current level.

Yuzhmash did not comment on the media request. S7 reported on the current contract, but refused to talk about its prospects.

The contract for 12 Zenit between S7 Sea Launch Limited and Yuzhmash was concluded on April 28, 2017. The first two rockets were supposed to be made in 2018-2019. The agency found out that the Ukrainian side had already received part of the total amount for its work - about $ 30 million.

Wikipedia wrote about it like this

In March 2019, the order for Ukrainian Zenith launch vehicles was canceled, as S7 Space failed to agree on the supply of critical elements for the production of missiles from Russia to Ukraine [35]; according to other sources, the contract has been preserved [36]. According to the agreement to pay off the debt, Boeing received 5 free seats on the Soyuz spacecraft for American astronauts in 2017, 2018, 2019, which were bought by NASA for $ 373 million. [37] [38] [39]
...
On August 14, 2017, S7 confirmed that it would use Zenit until 2023, after which it would switch to Soyuz-5 [44].
On September 21, 2017, a source in the rocket and space industry told the media that Russia would not supply Yuzhmash with components for Zenit launch vehicles - the control system manufactured in Russia and the RD-171 first-stage engine will be delivered bypassing Ukraine directly to USA, missile rebuilding and testing will be carried out in Long Beach [45].
On October 3, 2017, the head of RSC Energia Vladimir Solntsev told the media that at the first stage of using the cosmodrome, only Zenit will be launched from it. At the second stage, after the modernization of the cosmodrome and the appearance of the Soyuz-5 carrier, the Zenit will be abandoned [46].
On February 13, 2018, the general director of S7 Space Transport Systems (a subsidiary of the S7 group) Sergey Sopov told the media that the company ordered the production of 12 launch vehicles from Yuzhmash until 2023, based on the project's self-sufficiency of 3-4 launches in year. Each Zenith includes a fully Russian-made RD-171M first stage engine, a second stage combustion chamber, a control system and many other components. In total, about 150 domestic enterprises are involved in cooperation. Their share in value terms of the cost of the rocket is 80%. Fulfillment of the contract for 12 Zenits will bring Russian enterprises half a billion dollars [47].
The Zenit launch vehicle for the first launch as part of the resumption of the Sea Launch project can be manufactured in 2019. The carrier is manufactured by Ukraine with the participation of Russia, and the final assembly of the rocket will take place in the United States [48]. In March 2019, a message was received to cancel this scheme.

Then they wrote that the final assembly of the Zeniths will be carried out in the States, where components will be delivered from Russia and Ukraine, but this also died out.
And why, all the same, the order was canceled and now S7 should pay for the development of a new rocket instead of long-established technologies of the inexpensive Zenith assembled by cooperation, it is not clear ....
The fact is that not every missile can be adapted for a Sea Launch.

Zenit was then the only robotic missile suitable for launching from the Sea Launch platform: after being installed in a vertical state, it independently refuel and discards the docking fasteners. For Sea Launch, this was a prerequisite: no people should remain on the platform.

How the story of the Sea Launch will end is incomprehensible too ....

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Barmaleyka

Quote: slipped

This is what happens in your virtual reality.

tackle further, from this the holes in the cases will disappear, the connectors will connect correctly and the hangar will take off

Holes in the body will cease to appear a day later than healing the last hole in your head. Pravdorub your mother.

[lvov_aleksey]

we have not finished unfinished construction in the east, why do we need a sea launch - who will explain the benefits for the future. This is not an argument:

Quote: Victor March 47

Quote: nm76

And why did we (Russia) buy the Sea Launch?
We have several of our own operating ones, one leased and one under construction ... we have many cosmodromes, but few launches.

Sea launch is necessary. You can choose a bunch of start places. Excavation routes should not fly over cities. There were still no debris in the streets.
Further. The rocket should look at what the launcher needs. And this is Seattle today and Vancouver tomorrow. To fly over the right place, you need to wait for months, or spend a lot of fuel on a horizontal maneuver. Satellites do not carry so much on themselves. and the carrier from the sea launch is not that heavy, medium can not be launched. Not to mention the equatorial orbits that lift decently heavier satellites with the same carriers.

because I don’t understand this phrase:
"Satellites do not carry so much on themselves. And the carrier from the sea launch is not that heavy, the average cannot be launched."