Competitor of the complex "Afganit": successful tests in Israel


Elements of the Israeli KAZ Iron Fist


In recent years, Israel has been very active in increasing the survivability of armored vehicles on the battlefield, including through the creation of active defense complexes (KAZ). Engineers of the Israeli defense company Elbit Systems, who created the KAZ under the name Iron Fist (Iron Fist), made great strides in this area. The first tests of the new system passed back in 2006. In mid-January 2020, Elbit Systems conducted tests in which the Iron Fist successfully defeated a 120-mm sub-caliber projectile. Up to this point, they only spoke of the possibility of intercepting sub-caliber ammunition, mentioning the Russian Afghan Defense Complex.

New Iron Fist Tests


On January 21, 2020, representatives of the largest private defense concern in Israel, Elbit Systems, spoke about the successful testing of an active protection system for armored vehicles of their own design. The active protection complex created by the specialists of Elbit Systems is known as Iron Fist. The system is being actively promoted both in Israel and on the international market: in the 2010s, the US military began to purchase the Iron Fist. According to Jane's, during the tests, KAZ Iron Fist was able to successfully intercept the 120-mm APFSDS feathered armor-piercing projectile.

Adam Griffiths, a senior representative of Elbit Systems UK, shared the results of the complex’s tests and the successful interception of a projectile. He made his statement in London as part of an international conference on armored vehicles (IAV 2020). The international conference on the development of armored vehicles was attended by approximately 250 industry experts from around the world. At the conference, Elbit Systems demonstrated presentation materials and video recording of the intercept of projectile shells by the Iron Fist system.

As part of the presentation of their new product, representatives of Elbit Systems spoke about how they integrated a new launcher into the active defense complex, which received explosive striking elements. Also, as part of the modernization, KAZ received a new radar station. An updated system with new elements of the defeat was able to protect the target from sub-caliber ammunition. First, the radar detected an approaching projectile, after which a new striking element was fired in the direction of the projectile.


The striking element of the Iron Fist complex intercepts an RPG grenade

The striking element of the complex exploded in the immediate vicinity of the flying projectile, thereby changing the flight path of the latter. As a result of this action, the ammunition ceased to pose a threat to the protected armored vehicles. The concept of the approach implemented by Israeli engineers suggests that, as a result of changing the trajectory, a sub-caliber projectile will either not hit the target, flying past, or will not fall at the optimal angle without causing any harm to the protected object.

At the same time, Elbit Systems talked about the lack of a new installation. The interception of sub-caliber ammunition is an absolute success, but for this the Iron Fist had to be modernized. The flip side of the modernization of the complex was the increased visibility tank or other protected armored object. This happened due to the installation of a new radar, the total power of which during operation reaches 200 watts. The operation of such a radar can be detected by modern electronic intelligence systems of a potential enemy at a distance of up to 500 kilometers.

What is known about the Israeli Iron Fist


The Israeli Iron Fist complex is one of the modern active defense complexes, which is used both by the Israeli army and is exported. In the 2010s, the complex was purchased by the United States. The main purpose is to protect tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and other armored military equipment - from rocket-propelled grenades of anti-tank grenade launchers, as well as anti-tank missiles (ATGMs). The system creates a protective space near the tank, detecting potential threats with the help of radars. Detected missiles and ammunition are then destroyed by special striking elements.

KAZ Iron Fist is a complex system that includes 4 main elements: the first is the radar and infrared sensors manufactured by Elbit, they allow you to detect dangerous objects at any time of the day or night; the second is an optical-electronic laser-based jammer that is able to blind the homing of a guided missile; the third is a launching device with striking elements designed to destroy, disable, or reject ammunition dangerous to a combat vehicle; the fourth is a system that provides the ability to strike against enemy firing points.


Elements of the Israeli KAZ Iron Fist on the roof of the tank

The principle of operation of the Israeli Iron Fist complex differs little from the vast majority of similar complexes in other countries. Having detected a threat with the help of radar, the system launches a grenade in the direction of the target, which destroys the flying ammunition with its own explosive action. The emphasis is on destruction by a high-explosive explosion with minimization of the formation of fragments. For the same purposes, interceptor grenades are made of easily combustible materials.

Initially, the Iron Fist complex was developed for installation on the Namer heavy tracked infantry fighting vehicle, built on the basis of the Israeli Merkava main battle tank. The first versions of the complex were distinguished by the presence of four radar phased array (phased array), providing a full coverage of 360 degrees. Currently, at least two basic variants of the Iron Fist system are known. As standard, the set of elements of the complex weighs 800 kg, but in 2019 a lightweight version was presented - 400 kg, which Israel intends to install on its own wheeled APC Eitan and D9 armored bulldozers.

After the announcements made on January 21 in London, we can say that the Israeli Iron Fist complex, like the Russian “Afganit”, gets the opportunity to destroy sub-caliber shells. The vast majority of all complexes presented on the international market are not able to cope with this task. The explanation is very simple: all sub-caliber ammunition have a very high flight speed, up to 2000 m / s. That is why such ammunition is very difficult to detect and maintain. Difficulties arise with the defeat of such ammunition, which is a monolithic metal blank, sometimes with a tail stabilizer. The creation of systems capable of effectively combating sub-caliber ammunition, as well as their distribution in the future, can significantly increase the security of any armored combat vehicles on the battlefield.

Russian competitor of the Iron Fist complex


It is worth noting that the modernized Iron Fist complex is not a unique or one-of-a-kind development. At one time in the USSR, and then in Russia, they worked hard and hard to create their own active defense systems for armored vehicles. One of the most modern domestic complexes of this class is “Afganit”. The Russian Afganit active defense system is also capable of intercepting sub-caliber ammunition.


Photo: Vitaliy Kuzmin
Option for identifying devices KAZ "Afganit"

The fact that promising Russian main battle tanks T-14, built on the heavy tracked platform Armata, will receive the upgraded KAZ Afganit with the ability to intercept sub-caliber shells, it became known back in 2016. Then, the Izvestia newspaper wrote about the capabilities of the complex, citing its own sources in the Russian Defense Ministry. The new complex was supposed to be able to fight not only with conventional subcaliber shells, but also with shells with a core from depleted uranium.

In addition to the main battle tanks T-14, the complex can be installed on heavy tracked infantry fighting vehicles T-15, built on the same platform, and its individual components on the promising Russian BMP "Kurganets-25" and other models of armored military equipment. Specialists call the feature of the active complex of protection "Afganit" the possibility of intercepting not only ATGMs and cumulative grenades, but also modern sub-caliber armor-piercing shells (BPS). For this, the complex has the necessary accuracy and speed.

Analyzing the capabilities of the complex installed on the T-14 tank, experts of the Defense Update magazine pointed out that the complex includes both damaging and masking elements. The striking elements are located in special mortars located under the tank tower. Many experts believe that they are similar to similar 107-mm mortars of the Soviet Drozd-2 active defense system. Two additional high-speed short-range Doppler radars help detect the shells attacking the protected armored vehicles.

There are, of course, no exact details about the technical characteristics of the KAZ “Afghanistan” and the possibilities of dealing with sub-caliber shells. But the general principle of the revised version of the complex is the same as was implemented by Israeli designers in the Iron Fist complex. As it is assumed, “Afganit” received a more modern computing system with better performance, as well as updated striking elements. After a shot in the direction of the approaching projectile, such a striking element explodes, deflecting the projectile ammunition from its original trajectory with fragments and a shock wave.
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  1. Aerodrome 31 January 2020 06: 08 New
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    Competitor of the complex "Afganit": successful tests in Israel
    it would seem where is Israel, and where are we? however, all Israeli developments fall into the United States Army, and consistently in NATO, that is, under our walls. here is such a "friendship" ... after May 9, May 10 may come ... and there will be such a bad nitanyahusebe.ne?
    1. Gleborg 31 January 2020 07: 41 New
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      Quote: Aerodrome
      it would seem where is Israel, and where are we?

      so Russia sells weapons to the entire Middle East, including Iran, which threatens to destroy Israel and Syria, which in the state of war with Israel gives, but for some reason you have claims only to Israel ...
      1. Aerodrome 31 January 2020 07: 43 New
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        Quote: Gleborg
        but for some reason you have a claim only to Israel ..

        where are the claims? and ... we’re coming under the “gate” —not we. do you don’t like Hamas? not...! here we don’t like NATO, these are also terrorists.
        1. Gleborg 31 January 2020 10: 01 New
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          Quote: Aerodrome
          here we don’t like NATO, these are also terrorists.

          but Turkey, a member of the "terrorist" NATO organization for loot any weapon, Greece ... and even a nuclear reactor at their own expense to the Turks, do you know what it's called? the oldest profession, for the dollar {which will crash} whatever. Double standards...
          1. Aerodrome 31 January 2020 11: 41 New
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            Quote: Gleborg
            Quote: Aerodrome
            here we don’t like NATO, these are also terrorists.

            but Turkey, a member of the "terrorist" NATO organization for loot any weapon, Greece ... and even a nuclear reactor at their own expense to the Turks, do you know what it's called? the oldest profession, for the dollar {which will crash} whatever. Double standards...

            carcass.
      2. Zaurbek 31 January 2020 08: 47 New
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        2nd generation ATGM technologies have already gone to the masses .. TOU-2, Bassoons, Cornets .... they are rampant among bandits of various stripes, they are released under license and without in Iran, Jordan, Ukraine, China. And they make any ground operations as costly as possible for the loss of people and equipment. And who will solve this issue will continue to carry out such actions. The same song with 2nd generation MANPADS. But they are more strictly controlled.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2 31 January 2020 13: 21 New
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        So Russia is permanently bad, and Israel is permanently good. Therefore, what claims to Russia? This is her natural state. But Israel has questions about atypically bad behavior.
    2. Proctologist 31 January 2020 11: 41 New
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      Strange logic. Why should Israel be closer to Russia than the United States? Both the USSR and the USA participated in the war with the Nazis, who destroyed the Jews. Then, in the USSR, Jews were persecuted (behind the scenes, but consistently), hence the Jewish emigration - to Israel. At the same time, the USA has always had a huge Jewish lobby, forcing the USA to fully assist Israel, while the USSR was on friendly terms with the Arabs, as correctly indicated above.

      Well, and to whom should Israel be a friend after that? ..
      1. prodi 31 January 2020 12: 33 New
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        well, Israel is not a friend to anyone, for it’s just a “launching pad” that the “beneficiaries” need to maintain for the coming of the “second messiah”
      2. Uncle Izya 31 January 2020 16: 31 New
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        You read the Israeli can be Russian-speaking there is completely Russophobia and the owners of these media scoundrel Nevzlin all these scoundrels in Russia earn money
        1. Gleborg 31 January 2020 16: 43 New
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          Quote: Uncle Izya
          You read the Israeli can be Russian-speaking there is entirely Russophobia
          all that does not fit in with the official training manual is all Russophobia, already a word across the respected Bonzes Russophobia. But what to do, in a democratic country, the media do not write a carbon copy of the regional committee of bears.
          1. Oleg2003 2 March 2020 22: 15 New
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            And try to write some negative thread about the Jews! Immediately and without options - anti-Semite anti-Semite!
            1. Oleg2003 2 March 2020 22: 16 New
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              And all over the world. Propaganda worked perfectly
  2. Vladimir_2U 31 January 2020 06: 18 New
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    As a result of this action, the ammunition ceased to pose a threat to the protected armored vehicles
    Oh really? And how far the shell deflected, is it really 90 g. and at what distance from the protected object? What is the difference for “Stryker,” for example, the whole BOPS will go to him, or two, three, five fragments, as if it would not get worse. No KAZ does not abolish the need for anti-ballistic booking, at least for the tank, even if all the shells are intercepted, because interception does not mean annihilation.
    1. Aerodrome 31 January 2020 07: 07 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      because interception does not mean annihilation.

      I’ll go drink ... (I don’t have to work today) ... uh ... I waved a horse ... annihilation you say? I'm already wondering ... go on! yes
      1. Vladimir_2U 31 January 2020 08: 05 New
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        In the morning I drank all day free, the main thing is not to annihilate the liver!
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  3. Strashila 31 January 2020 06: 51 New
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    All this is good for an open battlefield, when tanks go with great distances between themselves.
    As there, in the description of Abrams’s tests of the T-72 shelling, after hitting a high-explosive fragmentation shell, everything from the outer armor was swept away and the optics failed.
    The machine is a "fool", that it is subcaliber, that fragmentation.
    From here the question is how she will perceive large fragments and clods of soil.
    And you can shoot with "chemical" mines or shells with a filler dye with the addition of metallized components, the same aluminum powder.
    1. missuris 31 January 2020 13: 39 New
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      On the offs is simpler: the kazy will try to intercept the offs, the kaz was still intercepting the offs in the ussr.
      And yes, it’s easy to reload the kaz, but even the sellers themselves in commercials show how the kaz intercepts the first shell and the armored car fires in response.
      It is assumed that the enemy has a low rate of fire, and that the enemy will not give a long line.

      and also, the car is smart, it recognizes all types of shells, i.e. it can be taught to recognize everything
  4. Konatantin 1992 31 January 2020 06: 57 New
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    The birthplace of KAZ of the USSR, and they are massively putting on technology Israel (the same Trophy) for a long time in the army. Yes, even Turkey has a KAZ (not without the help of the country 404), and we only at exhibitions have this long-suffering Arena
    1. Gray brother 31 January 2020 08: 41 New
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      Quote: Konatantin 1992
      , and we only at exhibitions this long-suffering Arena

      KAZ is a rather controversial thing - after all, the radar is working there and there is an unbelievable chance that it will be either jammed, or provoke false positives, or they will pinpoint and pour on top of everything that is purely on the bearing - artillery, MLRS, aviation.
      Or all of this together.
      1. garri-lin 31 January 2020 17: 58 New
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        Why MLRS and aviation. ATGM of the new generation. How anti-radar missiles appeared in air defense. So here they will appear. How much does the strike core fly? Tens of meters. At a height of tens of meters, a missile can be guided by the KAZ radar. Endless story you know.
        1. Gray brother 31 January 2020 20: 22 New
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          Why MLRS and aviation

          In order to throw homing cluster munitions.
          Quote: garri-lin
          anti-radar missiles.

          Too greasy. Cheaper two missiles from the ATGM to release.
          1. garri-lin 31 January 2020 22: 34 New
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            MLRS? And if there are one tanks per square kilometer? Or two? Will the MLRS position be unmasked? And learn to understand what you read. I spoke specifically about the ATGM adapted to the attack of the target’s self-luminous range in the radar. It wasn’t expensive in the 70s. Not expensive now. Targeting and tracking a tank type target on the battlefield is problematic. The tank is trying to hide. And here the bullpen radar is shining permanently. The rocket will fly like a moth on a candle.
  5. Nikolaevich I 31 January 2020 07: 48 New
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    The new complex was supposed to be able to fight not only with conventional subcaliber shells, but also with shells with a core from depleted uranium. And what ... it was impossible to "decipher": what is "ordinary subcaliber shells"? Or tell us what’s unusual in “depleted uranium cores”? what
    which are a monolithic metal disc, sometimes with a stabilizing tail. Monolithic? But what about composite cores, such as Mango BOPS? Metal? And the cores (penetrators) of tungsten carbide; that is, of the "heavy" cermets? Sometimes (!) With tail (?) ... or do BOPS still steer?
    1. missuris 31 January 2020 13: 50 New
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      The first is incomprehensible, in terms of speed both tungsten and uranium can be the same and different
      Uranium scrap is a bit heavier, and uranium scrap is self-sharpening when it enters the armor at a lower scrap speed, sort of at 1600m / s versus 1800-1900m / s for tungsten.
      Uranium has great pyrophoricity
      Uranium scrap is also cermet, or maybe even pure metal
      1. Nikolaevich I 31 January 2020 15: 32 New
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        Quote: missuris
        Uranium scrap is also cermet, or maybe even pure metal

        Pancake! You already decide: "cermets" or "pure metal"! ("Uranium scrap" is an alloy of uranium with nickel ... a common option!)
        Quote: missuris
        Uranium has great pyrophoricity

        Tungsten also has "pyrophoricity", however, at high speed! But, before talydych about pyrophoricity, think: how much will this "pyrophoricity" give? "Penetration" depends not only on the "pyrophoricity"!
        Quote: missuris
        Uranium scrap is a little heavier

        fool The density of the tungsten alloy is slightly higher than uranium ...! Do not smash the crap, it hurts!
        All ! Please do not "unsubscribe" to me comments! I will not answer!
        1. psiho117 1 February 2020 07: 51 New
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          How much will this "pyrophoricity" give? "Penetration" depends not only on the "pyrophoricity"!
          Right, one of the factors (besides m, v и p) is ablative self-sharpening - and here everything is much worse.
          The tungsten alloy begins to exhibit ablative self-sharpening, starting from speeds of more than 2000 m / s (for uranium - 1750 m / s), and the optimal speed for it is 2500 m / s - which is still unattainable.
          Plus, the pyrophoricity of tungsten is less than that of uranium (perhaps, if you play around with additives, it can catch up).
          As a result, tungsten BOPs are recognized as inferior to uranium in the current speed range. This is how speeds of over 2,2 km per second on advanced guns are achieved - and let’s talk about tungsten.
          So far - uranium wins in all respects, including the price - at times.
  6. rocket757 31 January 2020 08: 01 New
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    Competitor of the complex "Afganit": successful tests in Israel

    Why a competitor? systems will be installed on completely different equipment, from different countries, from different manufacturers.
    How efficiently will it work ??? time and events will show.
    1. Saxahorse 1 February 2020 00: 05 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Why a competitor? systems will be installed on completely different equipment from different countries

      Good question by the way. About a competitor. On Afghanistan there is no distinct information at all. From where they suddenly decided that he knows how to intercept BOPS - it is not clear. Someone blurted out and others repeated, and with such fantastic details that the bullshit smells like a mile away ..
  7. Nikolaevich I 31 January 2020 08: 31 New
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    It’s very foggy while the district of the last improvement of KAZ Iron Fist!
    It is known that the "chip" of this "EuroKAZ" is a high-explosive (!) Protective munition ... but earlier it did not possess the "super ability" to shoot down BOPs! What kind of "exploding striking elements" had to figure out for this ability to appear? We know high-explosive shrapnel ammunition that "spews out" a "wave" of fragments of sufficiently high kinetic energy ...: "screen", "blackbird", "arena", ... (let!) "Trophy" with her "multinuclear" bunch ... But all this was not a complete abgemacht! They could not fully 100% please the "comrade-gentlemen" of the military! So what could the "wise Jews" come up with, the acre of a massive "strike nucleus"? (I have one assumption, but so far I will not "spread"; because the available description clearly does not indicate this ...) Moreover, when they try to give a concept of "Afghan", then, sometimes, they refer to a certain “RU patent ..... '', but the description of this“ patent ”does not coincide with the description of the alleged action of the protective munition, as numerous “authors of articles” and “commentators from the people!” When I had this “patent” in mind, I believed in the ability of “Afghanistan” to “shoot down BOPS” ... when I read that the shell is “Afghanistan” ... "type ZOF56" Drozd "; but only" shock-nuclear "(i.e. ZOF77), then there are large sums in the effectiveness of" Afganit "about a reliable shot down B With ...
    1. prodi 31 January 2020 09: 55 New
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      I also have a doubt that somehow they immediately crossed the threshold of probability of intercepting BOPS, from (expectedly) two shot ammunition, to one
    2. Saxahorse 1 February 2020 00: 01 New
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      It is known that the "chip" of this "EuroKAZ" is a high-explosive (!) Protective munition ... but previously it did not possess the "super ability" to shoot down BOPs!

      You probably missed something. I think you already showed or commented on a video with the interception of BOPS. The screen from it below in the comments again laid out. It has been working for a long time, it’s just that the article somehow crooked out of time. In the news last year it was.
      1. Nikolaevich I 1 February 2020 02: 42 New
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        Quote: Saxahorse
        You probably missed something.

        Yes, I recall that argument with you about KAZs ... But ... now, I still can’t believe that with a high-explosive projectile of the same power that is contained in the Iron Fist counter-ammunition, it can seriously affect the high-speed huge kinetic energy, armor-piercing core (penetrator) ... especially since the development of BOPS goes in the direction of a further increase in speed (energy) ...
        1. Saxahorse 1 February 2020 03: 57 New
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          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          I can’t believe that with a high-explosive projectile of the power that is contained in the Iron Fist counter-ammunition it is possible to “seriously” affect

          Seriously and no need. It is enough to twist a couple of degrees and the BOPS itself will collapse on the armor. But this is of course only for tanks. BTR BOPS and breaks sideways.
    3. psiho117 1 February 2020 08: 11 New
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      there are big confusion in the effectiveness of "afghanit

      There is no banal information on this complex - and who knows, they won’t say bully
      The one that we will not guess on the coffee grounds - until we at least show the test videos.
      It’s very foggy while the district of the last improvement of KAZ Iron Fist

      as I understand it, the interceptor should significant (important!) the distance from the tank (at least 150 m was from the American Quick Kill) to intercept the BOPs and to deflect its trajectory by several degrees with a high-impact, so that it flies past the tank, though end-to-end.
      So consider yourself how feasible this is. For example, the Americans did not succeed.
  8. JonnyT 31 January 2020 08: 32 New
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    So here, a close relative has become a competitor. The progenitor of both KAZs is one)
    1. Zabvo 2 February 2020 16: 20 New
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      Um, and who is the relative there?
  9. smaug78 31 January 2020 09: 11 New
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    "As it is assumed," Afganit "got a more modern computing system with better performance." on the basis of what is supposed, given our lag in the field of microelectronics.
  10. Ros 56 31 January 2020 09: 14 New
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    And how to protect the protection system itself from external influences - fog, dust, dirt, rain, snow, hail, splinters, bullets and what else?
    1. Maki Avellevich 31 January 2020 09: 41 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      And how to protect the protection system itself from external influences - fog, dust, dirt, rain, snow, hail, splinters, bullets and what else?

      this question can be asked endlessly or as some Romans said:

      WHO WILL GUARD GUARDS?
      1. Ros 56 31 January 2020 09: 44 New
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        Well something like that. War is unpredictable, you never know what and where it can fly from, I am silent about the weather.
    2. Gleborg 31 January 2020 10: 21 New
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      Quote: Ros 56
      And how to protect the protection system itself from external influences - fog, dust, dirt, rain, snow, hail, splinters, bullets and what else?

      But how do attachments, machine guns and grenade launchers protect now? and KAZ.
      1. Ros 56 31 January 2020 10: 27 New
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        But in any case, once even saw a cross of two bullets, pierced one another on the fly. Yes, and the trunks on the tanks were shot from the side or even chopped off with large fragments. This is a lottery. Someone went through the Second World War from the first to the last day and is alive and well, while someone who did not have time to get to the front died. No one knows what awaits him.
  11. Operator 31 January 2020 11: 08 New
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    In the late 1980s, KAZ Shater, mounted on the Soviet experimental Molot tank, intercepted a caliber armor-piercing projectile at a speed of 900 m / s. One of the fragments from the interception fell into an officer standing next to the commander-in-chief of the Ground Forces of the USSR Armed Forces, Army General Varennikov, 200 meters from the tank.
    1. missuris 31 January 2020 13: 54 New
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      was he in the armor? if not, then apparently left without insurance (
    2. Saxahorse 31 January 2020 23: 43 New
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      Is the source the same? OBS? laughing

      Forgive me of course, but I do not remember such information in the media, they gave birth to another legend, it is not known where it is unknown who.
      1. Operator 1 February 2020 00: 24 New
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        This is well-known information from the participants of the Molot development, the source is presented on the Internet, I will not give a link, since for you all the OBS are not published in the paper versions of the newspapers Pravda and Izvestia.

        Seek and ye shall find.
        1. Saxahorse 1 February 2020 00: 26 New
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          Quote: Operator
          the source is presented on the Internet, I won’t tell you the address

          That's when tell me then and refer. You would also tell what place he fell into and what were the last words of the poor adjutant laughing
  12. Golovan Jack 31 January 2020 13: 25 New
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    The operation of such a radar can be detected by modern electronic intelligence systems of a potential enemy at a distance of up to 500 kilometers

    Mdya Wondrous Protection request
    1. Passing 31 January 2020 22: 15 New
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      The problem is sucked out of the finger. Firstly, no 500 km, no further than the radio horizon, 10-20 km for a low target. Secondly, where you have seen so many RTR stations to deliver every 20 km. Thirdly, the RTR station gives a vector to the target, and possibly, very approximately, the range, no point on the map, where rockets and shells can be sent. And most importantly, in the fourth, if the tank has KAZ turned on, it means it is already attacking the enemy, so the enemy already knows where your tank is, so it makes no difference that it glows in the radio range.
      1. Golovan Jack 31 January 2020 22: 32 New
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        And fourth, in the main, if the tank has KAZ turned on, it means it is already attacking the enemy, then the enemy already knows where exactly your tank is

        Not certainly in that way. KAZ will be included wherever it is likely to be attacked. On the march, for example. At the same time, even 10-20 kilometers is already very tasty yes
        1. Passing 31 January 2020 23: 33 New
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          Well, yes, there is a certain probability that the enemy RTR station will be nearby, but there will be a noticeable lag between the fact of detection and the exact determination of your position, i.e. as long as the drone / destruction group is launched, while they arrive at the estimated coordinates, you will already leave the station coverage area, and not the fact that they will find you.
          And the global network of RTR stations for the sake of catching tanks is pointless, it is insanely expensive, it is more reasonable to create a network of drones with IR cameras, even one will control hundreds of kilometers, and if tanks are detected, it will instantly give target designation for destruction. And it doesn’t matter to him whether KAZ is on or off.
        2. Saxahorse 31 January 2020 23: 45 New
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          Not certainly in that way. KAZ will be included wherever it is likely to be attacked. On the march, for example.

          Why is that? Black in Russian write that KAZ is activated by IR sensors for launching a rocket (or a shot). They are passive actually.
  13. Gust 31 January 2020 14: 05 New
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    And what, the tank alone is fighting against everyone? Naturally, when the KAZ radars work, it glows like a Christmas tree. But he does not fight alone - he is covered by the Tunguska, Torahs, BMPT, etc. KAZ can repel ATGMs with the subsequent quick destruction of ATGM calculation, or it can do this even before intercepting ATGMs, transmitting data about the launch point to other means of destruction (network-centricity!).
    In turn, composite ATGMs will appear - the leader activates the KAZ, the main charge hits the tank. Tactics can be used with the simultaneous launch of conventional ATGMs from one angle and controlled lag. The eternal competition of the sword and shield.
    1. psiho117 1 February 2020 08: 31 New
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      Quote: Rafale
      passing data on the launch point to other weapons (network-centricity!)

      or maybe vice versa ... For example, flashing the active KAZ will cause an automatic response - the Americans are already testing systems that include an automated gun / mortar, which fires independently, as soon as a request for fire by coordinates is received.
      And the coordinates will be - because the surge of the microwave radar is easily detected by cheaper sensors, and equipping the front edge troops with these sensors is a question to be solved. As a result: detection - triangulation - automatic dispatch of barrage of ammunition,
      or missiles / projectiles with warheads from several SADARM elements.
      S - network-centricity wassat
  14. honest people 31 January 2020 15: 02 New
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    Watch Iron Fist in action
    1. Gust 31 January 2020 17: 15 New
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      KAZ Arena in action is the same. But no one shows the most interesting thing - work against BOPS; ((
      1. Saxahorse 31 January 2020 23: 56 New
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        KAZ Arena in action is the same.

        It’s completely not clear what the Arena is. The video is absolutely not informative. What is he shooting with? Kartechey as a Thrush? One flash in the video .. Continuous turbidity .. BOPs with buckshot definitely cannot be stopped.

        Quote: Rafale
        But no one shows the most interesting thing - work against BOPS; ((

        A hundred years ago they showed the same Iron Fist. I once laid out five clips. And in the other comments, a bunch. Although the original clips are only two, it seems. :)

        On the BOPS screen below if that :)))
        1. Nikolaevich I 1 February 2020 03: 05 New
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          It’s completely not clear what the Arena is. The video is absolutely not informative. What is he shooting with? Shotgun ...

          Information on the Internet with the technical specifications of KAZ "Arena" is quite enough, except for "that video"! The destructive elements of the arena’s ammunition are splinters. But the main thing (!) ...: both KAZ Arena and the counter-ammunition of this complex have development potential! For example, on the basis of the existing counter-munition, a protective munition can be created with such damaging elements as: 1.MKE; 2. "multinuclear" bunch; 3. "cast" metal plate ... In these cases, it is clear how the impact on BOPS. And exactly mass impact coupled with energy clear and accessible to our "information base"! fool
        2. Crimean partisan 1974 10 February 2020 09: 23 New
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          On the BOPS screen below if that: ........ it’s not a “crowbar” if that, but an active-missile shell judging by the torch in the stern, that is 70% hollow blank which will not harm the tank even without KAZ, Yes, all this nonsense KAZ, and expensive and inefficient, so. scare the goats and the Bedouins to stop the Bedouins
  15. pogis 31 January 2020 16: 19 New
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    For local conflicts, that’s it! But only the amount of PU bothers me, as I understand it 4?
    1. Intruder 1 February 2020 23: 36 New
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      PU can be screwed more, just the point !? :)
  16. pogis 31 January 2020 18: 14 New
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    KAZ Arena in action is the same. But no one shows the most interesting thing - work against BOPS; ((

    And if snipers with 12,7 or any other caliber will work on the key elements of KAZ? Where is the protection of the system from this threat? Here is the weak link of all KAZ in the world! This is again a continuation of the eternal conflict of armor-shell! Here I see a way out only in devices on other physical principles, and then not for long, and so on .....
  17. Interdum_silentium_volo 1 February 2020 21: 33 New
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    Well, with such a radar, a tank can now be destroyed by PRR)))) Hahahahha, and if the radar does not work, then the defense will not have time to react. Well, actually they do not expect to fight against an equal enemy.
  18. Intruder 1 February 2020 23: 09 New
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    A high-explosive striking element is cheap and cheerful, but KAZ’s radar is a highlight for promising types of PTS, and even more so for an air carrier (shock drones, turntables and ground attack aircraft) of these same PTS (anti-tank anti-tank vehicles) ...
  19. Intruder 1 February 2020 23: 12 New
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    Quote: pogis
    Quote: Rafale
    KAZ Arena in action is the same. But no one shows the most interesting thing - work against BOPS; ((

    And if snipers with 12,7 or any other caliber will work on the key elements of KAZ? Where is the protection of the system from this threat? Here is the weak link of all KAZ in the world! This is again a continuation of the eternal conflict of armor-shell! Here I see a way out only in devices on other physical principles, and then not for long, and so on .....

    You can not 12,7 mm. work out, but with a more serious caliber, with a fragmentation field or thermobaric, which should be enough for KAZ and for the LMS (external elements will fly off guaranteed ...) BBM and MBT !!!
    1. Intruder 1 February 2020 23: 34 New
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      or gasp with an air blast (programmable), at range ... KAZs have an effective (maximum) range of destruction and it is limited and not only ...