The deadlines for the assembly of the prototype space truck "Argo"

The press service of the company "Aerospace Composite Technologies" today reports some details of future work on a new generation spaceship. We are talking about the spacecraft "Argo", which, as noted, will be almost 60 percent composed of components of a composite production cluster located near Voronezh.

The use of modern composite materials will make it possible to halve the Argo mass in comparison with that which would correspond to a ship with metal components. Accordingly, as noted by experts, this will lead to a final reduction in the cost of putting the spacecraft into orbit. So, the cost of removing a kilogram of cargo by the Argo ship will be half the cost of removing a kilogram of Progress-MS cargo from the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle.

The press release notes that the company "ACT", starting in 2023, within ten years will produce 11 bodies of the new space truck. It should be noted that Argo is planned as a reusable space cargo ship.

According to customer requirements, Argo will be able to put into orbit up to 2 tons of cargo and return from orbit to Earth up to a ton of cargo. The first (prototype) model of a space truck will appear in 2023.

General Director of the enterprises of the Voronezh Composite Cluster (plants "Lamplex Composite", "ACT") Vyacheslav Kursakov:

The manufacture of the ship’s hull and its elements is one of the most labor-consuming, costly and innovative tasks in the implementation of the Argo project. The main specialization of the AKT plant will be the production of composite structures, hulls and parts for reusable spacecraft, frame structures, nozzle nozzles of rocket engines and other carbon fiber-based products.

From the statement of Vyacheslav Kursakov:

The use of composite materials in the manufacture of the ship's hull will provide two main advantages - lightness and strength. At present, access to Russia of advanced world technologies and raw materials for the space industry is seriously hampered due to economic sanctions. Therefore, the products of the Composite cluster are of important import-substituting importance for our country.

Comments

[seti]

God give it. The future lies with composites and you need to have time to jump on the bandwagon of the train. In the space sector, releasing competitors is by no means impossible.

[bouncyhunter]

This point is also important:

It should be noted that Argo is planned as reusable spacecraft

[Starover_Z]

Quote: bouncyhunter

This point is also important:

It should be noted that Argo is planned as reusable spacecraft

Yeah, another space project, but the timing is something very close. What is it for ?

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: Starover_Z

What is it for ?

I allow myself to assume that there have already been some developments on this topic. Therefore, the timing is so short.

[Old Michael]

some developments on this topic already existed.

Inquire how and from what the pioneer staircase was made, for example. (This is the forerunner of "Poplar")
So they are also solid fuel, and not just tanks.

[bouncyhunter]

Michael
If it does not bother you, then save your and my time: give links? Thanks in advance !

[Old Michael]

Alas! This is not from the Internet, but from life (one's own).

[Old Michael]

If in general terms: a whole-wound cocoon of fiberglass and a compound such as epoxy. The focus is in the structure of the thread and the inner coating of the cocoon (imagine what happens inside when the TT burns).
Replace the fiberglass with the current carbon fiber with superpurenano lotions plus new binders - ...

[Old Michael]

By the way. AK (7.62) did not break this thing. PKK too. I tried it myself. In the order of permitted hooliganism.

[opus]

Quote: seti

The future lies with composites and you need to have time to jump on the bandwagon of the train.

already late ....
there is no Soyuz-5 yet, and no Argo.

The company "Reusable transport space systems" was registered in the Queen of Moscow Region in May 2019 with an authorized capital of 400 thousand rubles.

in 2019 it is registered, with a charter value of 400tr ...
comments needed?

Quote: anonymous author

The use of modern composite materials will make it possible to halve the weight of Argo in comparison with that

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Quote: anonymous author

Thus, the cost of removing a kilogram of cargo by the Argo ship will be half the cost of removing a kilogram of Progress-MS cargo from the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle.

= and 2 more times
the tare mass of the ship, which is "at the very" top of the launch vehicle, certainly affects the launch cost, but not as directly proportional. This misinformation is for UO ("they will buy it anyway")

In the future, it is planned to use the newly developed Soyuz-5 rocket.

The total mass of the Argo spacecraft is 11,5 tons, the cargo compartment is 11 m³, the diameter is 4,1 m, the height is 5,6 m. The tanks of the combined propulsion system (provide maneuvering in orbit, detach before launching) hold up to 1200 kg of fuel, the same capacity in tanks of the combined propulsion system (provides descent control and landing)

look

11500 kg (full) -2000 kg (cargo) - 1200 kg of fuel = 8300 kg "tare" weight
how can i get

The estimated cost of one cycle (launch and landing) is $ 9,846 million

...
riddle

Quote: anonymous author

We are talking about the spacecraft "Argo", which, as noted, will be almost 60 percent

NEGELY LIES

52% of the total mass of the ship’s hull will be composite elements

/ MTKS General Designer Nikolay Bryukhanov

52% and almost "60%" are two big differences. nifigase "mistake". I so boldly say 20% deceived the topvar's electorate

Quote: bouncyhunter

This point is also important:

Yes Yes.
First 10 years, they poured slops on Ilon Mask

Pasta Monster Ilona Mask, or the logical result of the adventure

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[Lexus]

Anton
Thank you for your objectivity and knowledge.

[nm76]

We have recently, that neither news is new dates or the publication of plans ...

[Lexus]

then new dates

At the post. But it’s a pity that they are not criminal ...

unveiling plans ...

Does everyone have their own "plan"? So far I have only heard about "paths" in the toilets of the State Duma and the Government.

[nm76]

Well, actually yes, we can only talk ... Starting from the very top and down the hierarchy. And unfortunately, no landings ... although no ..., there were landings - Ulyukaev, several governors, but a couple of colonels of multimillionaires)))

[Lexus]

Ulyukaev, several governors, but a couple of colonels of multimillionaires)))

C'mon, this is so ... overexposure)

[Lexus]

Another lure before the elections / voting on amendments to the Constitution. Like, bear with us just a little, and then we will be like a "breakthrough". Myriad names, but the output is zero.

[Genry]

Quote: lexus

Another temptation before elections / voting on amendments to the Constitution.

What do you specifically dislike about the amendments?

[Lexus]

What do you specifically dislike about the amendments?

Falsehood, deception and choice without a choice. So, briefly. We will discuss the details in the thematic publication. Another one.

[Genry]

Quote: lexus

Falsehood, deception and choice without a choice.

In addition to labels, at least brief theses sound ...

[Lexus]

In addition to labels, at least brief theses sound ...

Roscosmos hangs labels on empty spaces and models. "Rus", "Yenisei", "Volga" - where are these Russian launch vehicles? "Angara", which then flies (1 time), the rest of the time falls? Where is "Federation", "Tundra" and the rest of the promised? Only thanks to the spattered Soviet legacy at least something is launched. Here are the theses on the topic of the article. For reflection.

[Genry]

Quote: lexus

Roskosmos hangs labels on empty spaces and models. "Rus", "Yenisei", "Volga" - where are these Russian launch vehicles?

You do not know what concept projects are?

Quote: lexus

"Angara", which then flies (1 time), the rest of the time falls?

Is falling? Where? When?
Successfully flew 2 times.

Quote: lexus

Where is "Federation", "Tundra" and the rest of the promised?

Who promised? Are you yourself?

Quote: lexus

Only thanks to the spat upon Soviet legacy

Where and who dare? Do not offer liberdu ....

Quote: lexus

at least something is being launched to the legacy.

It does not start for the sake of launches, but what is needed and brings a positive result.

[Lexus]

Successfully flew 2 times.

For 15 years of development, 1 launch in two dimensions - is this a positive result? For such "successes" the mortgagee Musk would have been sitting in a debt hole with his "concepts".

[Genry]

Quote: lexus

For such "successes" the mortgagee Musk would have already been in debt with his "concepts".

And what, Musk already manned launches ....? It is just being tested.
He promised cheap launches, but in fact at the Boeing level.
In 2019, there were fewer launches than 2018.
He comes up with orders for launching into space (his Internet satellites).

[Lexus]

And what, Musk already manned launches ....?

And Rogozin already returns the first steps?
If Roscosmos started from scratch, like Musk, and not from the legacy of the first, most powerful World Space Power, we would never have seen successful launches.

[Genry]

Quote: lexus

And Rogozin already returns the first steps?

Shashechki you or go?
The cost of starting the Mask is more expensive than that of Rogozin.

Quote: lexus

If Roscosmos started from scratch, like Musk

And who told you that from scratch.
He invented the design of engines, materials for use ...?


Among financial analysts in the United States, a document began to circulate in which disparate facts were collected in one place that allow us to draw a preliminary conclusion that Elon Musk is the largest fraudster and con man.
https://aftershock.news/?q=node/821556&full - analysis from the English original: https://www.plainsite.org/realitycheck/tesla.html

[Lexus]

The cost of starting the Mask is more expensive than that of Rogozin.

"Litter TV" with an Italian passport and a regular "vegetation" vacation in "rotting" Florida near the Kennedy Space Center said?

And who told you that from scratch.
He invented the design of engines, materials for use ...?

Generally what ? Did someone give him gifts in the form of ready-made spaceports, design bureaus and serial factories? Or do they "pour" money from the budget?

https://www.plainsite.org/realitycheck/tesla.html

This nonsense and everything around him, I will not even comment. The ordinary ordering of competitors, taken up by the Kremlin propaganda in order to whitewash their embezzlers somehow and justify their handshake.
Or are you smarter than customers who trust their Space Mask to run, think? Then you are no better than those who still deny the existence of the Crimean bridge. With what please accept my condolences.

[Genry]

Quote: lexus

near the Kennedy Space Center said?

Prices for launches of military satellites ....

Quote: lexus

Did someone give him gifts in the form of ready-made spaceports, design bureaus and serial factories? Or do they "pour" money from the budget?

He took away specialists from NASA. Or do you think he gave birth to them?
Ground objects are a question of couple of years .... And he did not build the accompanying cities.

Quote: lexus

The ordinary ordering of competitors, taken up by the Kremlin propaganda in order to whitewash their embezzlers somehow and justify their handshake.

Ordering is when fakes gather and compose, and then everything is based on facts and documents.
But hanging noodles with Mask is impossible even to call propaganda. He already had to build a city on Mars.

Quote: lexus

Or are you smarter than those customers who trust their Space Mask to run, think?

Trust is based on insurance, while the cost of launches goes off scale ...

Quote: lexus

Then you are no better than those who still deny the existence of the Crimean bridge.

For you, this construction has become an unforgettable mental trauma. Are you worried ...

Quote: lexus

With what please accept my condolences.

You are again to yourself and about yourself ...

[opus]

Quote: Genry

The cost of starting the Mask is more expensive than that of Rogozin.

you can "in the studio" which thread is more weighty except verbiage?

Quote: Genry

He invented the design of engines, materials for use ...?

1. SpaceX acquired several buildings that were previously part of the Boeing factory, which produced the fuselage for Boeing 747 aircraft.
2. SpaceX independently recreated the entire technological cycle: Musk decided not to use the components produced by the aerospace contractors, but to do everything on his own: “Although we rely on the ideas of numerous programs using launch vehicles, from Apollo to X-34 / Fastrac, SpaceX in-house develops Falcon rocket from scratch, including both engines, a turbopump, cryogenic reservoir structure and guidance device“Own development from scratch increases the complexity of the project and requires more investment, but no other methods will give us the opportunity to reduce the cost of access to space.”
3. The company came: the legendary Tom Muller (led the creation of the TR-10 oxygen-hydrogen engine), Chris Thompson (led the production of Delta and Titan rockets at Boeing), Tim Buzz also came from Boeing (one of the best rocket testers in the world), Steve Johnson (work experience in JPL and two commercial aerospace companies), Hans Koenigsmann (on-board electronics and guidance and control systems), etc., etc.

The Russians, who dominated the field of sending goods and people into space, use equipment developed decades ago. In the tight capsule of the Soyuz spacecraft, in which the astronauts are sent to the space station, the mechanical switches and computer screens do not seem to have changed since the first flight in 1966. The nations recently included in the space race reproduce antique Russian and American equipment with discouraging accuracy. When young professionals come to the aerospace industry, the level of equipment makes them either cry or laugh. Nothing kills the pleasure of working on a spaceship like driving in the spirit of washing machines from the 1960s. The existing work environment is as hopelessly outdated as the equipment

/ Ashley Vance "Elon Musk. Tesla, SpaceX and the road to the future ”/

Quote: Genry

that Elon Musk is the biggest con man and swindler.

aftershock-such a good garbage

The document contains 160 pages and was released on January 7, 2020. Some of the facts that are published in the report were published and discussed at the AS. The document (in English) can be downloaded here >>>

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by "here" Aaron Greenspan

Did Aaron Greenspan really invent Facebook?

As for whether I am a “true” inventor, people can judge for themselves. Many people are credible with Facebook, as we know it today. I believe, that I’m one of them - and although I’m certainly not the only one, I believe that I have the right to proper recognition (no more than that) in the same way as other creators of FB. In the past, this admission was surprisingly hard to find, as semi-educated comments such as David clearly give.

So sorry David. I will gladly explain more next time we meet in person if you want.

Do you really believe that?

Roscosmos told about the implementation of Soviet developments by Mask

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then you have to believe in

The most intense meeting took place in a richly decorated, but dilapidated pre-revolutionary building near the center of Moscow. Poured vodka, sounded toasts - “To space! For America! ”- and Musk sat on 20 million and hoped that they would be enough for three ICBMs that could be remade for flight into space. Musk, heated with vodka, asked bluntly how much a ballistic missile would cost. The answer was: eight million each. Musk made a return offer: eight for two. “For a while they sat and looked at him,” Cantrell recalled. - And then they said something like: “Young man, no”. In addition, they hinted that he did not have that kind of money. ” At this point, Musk decided that the Russians were either not going to do business with him, or simply wanted to get as much as possible out of the millionaire who had enriched in dot-coms. He went out, slamming the door.

Musk's "cosmic" phase began at the age of 30 when he was kicked out of PayPal. Even before that, at one of the parties for PayPal top managers in the late 90s - early 2000s, colleagues noticed that Elon “sits and reads a mysterious Soviet textbook on rocket science, which is completely moldy and looks like it was bought on eBay, - said Kevin Harz, one of the first investors at PayPal. “He studied the book and talked openly about space travel and the possibility of changing the world.”

[tarakan]

Lexus, even though you are "evil", but my plus about models is, if not sad, but true

[opus]

Quote: Genry

What do you specifically dislike about the amendments?

I specifically
1. Message from the President to the Federal Assembly ... Jan 15 2020

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2. The full list of members of the working group is here.

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Co-chair Andrey Klishas (nauseous) The first meeting was held January 17, 2020
3. The State Duma adopted in the first reading the amendments to the Constitution proposed by the President 23.01.2020

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Comrade Genry, I'm sorry for the modest question: do you consider yourself mentally retarded?
After all, no!
and why the people of Russia-UO?
23-17 = 5 (FIVE DAYS! Kral Genry- total FIVE days, not eating, not spamming, I guess I worked)
if what, then
Andrey Klishas
From 1995 to 1997, he held various positions. in the Russian federal property fund.
/ when our Motherland was torn to the fullest, all sorts of interesting "loans-for-shares auctions", chubays, and others good people/
From 1997 to 2012, he was a member of the management bodies. The largest Russian investment and industrial companies, banks.
/ when everything that was torn from our Motherland was pumped out /
In 2010-2012 - President OJSC Mining and Metallurgical Company Norilsk Nickel.
I remember, I know Norilsk Nickel, all the more so Irina Vladimirovna (his wife) worked in the commercial structures of Vladimir Potanin connected with the food business. ..
write

In 2012 with declared family income in the amount of 284 million rubles took 29th place in the ranking of Russian officialscompiled by Forbes magazine.

In Switzerland, according to the newspaper "Vedomosti", Klishasu powns a house with a total area of ​​432 m² and a land area of ​​1000 m² (only 543m was declared), in Russia - a land plot for personal subsidiary plots in the amount of 1589 m², a land plot for housing construction in the amount of 75 m² , 6 plots for individual housing construction in the amount of from 690 to 5850 m², as well as a garden plot in the amount of 1200 m² .

a garden plot is so democratic ....
I’m sure, Andrei Alexandrovich, will take care of us all.
Moreover, he wrote a Ph.D. on the topic recurso de amparo, juicio de amparo.

[Genry]

Quote: opus

I specifically
1. Message from the President to the Federal Assembly ... Jan 15 2020

Well, it's not a cactus ....

Quote: opus

Co-Chair Andrei Klishas (sick)

For representation, representatives of different concessions, sexual orientations and income levels should participate.
Did you pretend to take his place?

Quote: opus

Comrade Genry, I'm sorry for the modest question: do you consider yourself mentally retarded?

I am sympathetic to your grave condition and loneliness, but I do not make friends among the mentally retarded.

Quote: opus

Andrey Klishas ....

My personalities are not particularly interested. Ultimately, amendments to the Constitution will be approved by popular vote.

[opus]

Quote: Genry

Well, it's not a cactus ..

I do not understand this jargon. why not ficus this, for example?

Quote: Genry

For representation, representatives of different concessions, sexual orientations and income levels should participate.
Did you pretend to take his place?

1. there was only one orientation attended
2. I have a persistent feeling of a dirty trick, reading the Constitution of the Russian Federation, chap. 9 and art. 136 and art. 135 p. 3
somehow behind the scenes left chapter 3 with all its 4 articles.
3. 5 days !!! I'm talking about it, not about

Quote: Genry

income levels.

4. no, did not pretend and did not even think.

Quote: Genry

but I don’t make friends with the mentally retarded.

goose pig is not a friend
I will explain for УmentallyОgifted of course) -Comrade, should be regarded as a form of appeal in the anti-monarchist, revolutionary or Soviet milieu, the USSR, as well as many socialist countries, parties and organizations of the left orientation.
In Russian, the word "friend" is not originally synonymous with the word "friend"

Quote: Genry

Ultimately, amendments to the Constitution will be approved by popular vote.

yes sho you speak? I feel the seething mind
1. The provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation do not change, therefore the Constitutional Assembly is not convened (see Article 135, Chapter 2), respectively, acc. Article 136 and Chapter V. Entry into force of the law of the Russian Federation on an amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation (Articles 11-14) of the Federal Law of March 4, 1998 N 33-FZ "On the procedure for the adoption and entry into force of amendments to the Constitution Russian Federation "(with amendments and additions)

2. NATIONAL VOTING is a term, AT LEAST and is considered identical to the term "referendum", however, in the Federal Constitutional Law "On the Referendum of the Russian Federation" there is a "referendum", but voting is not written there
3. Putin:

in his opinion, the amendments do not affect the fundamental foundations of the Constitution, which means that they can be approved by the parliament with the help of constitutional laws. But, since they still significantly change the political system, the entire package of proposed amendments needs to be voted on by citizens "and only based on its results make decisions."

very nice to see how it will be organized

[Genry]

Quote: opus

why not ficus this, for example?

Quote: opus

1. there was only one orientation attended

Really not a single rainbow ...

Quote: opus

2. I have a persistent feeling of a dirty trick, reading the Constitution of the Russian Federation, chap. 9 and art. 136 and art. 135 p. 3

St.135 ???
You are a complete ignoramus. There is no law on constitutional assembly, and therefore there is no assembly. The article does not work and chapters 1,2 and 9 were not proposed for change, (to my regret).
Article 136 requires two thirds of parliamentarians. What is here and where do you "feel"?

Quote: opus

goose pig is not a friend

I envy you. I live in a technogenic city. I can only remember: "It's good in the village in summer, it smells like hay ....".
And you there are very contrasting social relations ....

Quote: opus

I will explain for the Mentally Gifted

Well, you were so upset. You should not evaluate yourself so low.

Quote: opus

1. The provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation do not change, therefore the Constitutional Assembly is not convened (see Article 135, Chapter 2), respectively, acc. Article 136 and Chapter V. Entry into force of the law of the Russian Federation on an amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation (Articles 11-14) of the Federal Law of March 4, 1998 N 33-FZ "On the procedure for the adoption and entry into force of amendments to the Constitution Russian Federation "(with amendments and additions)

What are you piling up here? While 1,2 and 9 are not discussed.

Quote: opus

2. PUBLIC VOTING is a term, AT LEAST and is considered identical to the term "referendum", however, in the Federal Constitutional Law "On the Referendum of the Russian Federation" there is a "referendum"

Legally, "popular ..." and "referendum" are different things (like surnames with differences in one letter). And in the law on the referendum there is no possibility of removing the topic about the Constitution (another pod of the Americans). And the nation-wide ... is held according to the principle of the power of the people (a hidden loophole left by one of the patriots).

Quote: opus

very nice to see how it will be organized

People will come and vote .... What's so unusual?

[K-50]

Is the ice breaking?
All the waitresses have already waited for a new ship.

[astepanov]

Quote: K-50

Is the ice breaking?

We listen to the promise - you will involuntarily move.

[donavi49]

Finally, they were puzzled by their Dragon.

And they screwed up an unnecessary return of cargo - like the Mask, for what to carry from the ISS? For reuse all the more, it’s cheaper to make a new one, and to heat the old one.
And reusability of use - which is also not needed because the service is ultimately more expensive than the new one, but no matter what the American taxpayers talk about.
And composites - the truth is that the same difficulties may arise as on Federation Orel, as a result, a manned ship from a similar composite turned into a classic aluminum one.

[voyaka uh]

"for what to transport from that ISS?" ///
----
There is something to carry. There Europeans, Japanese made experimental mini-factories. For all kinds of electronics.
In general, the ISS in the future should become a factory in orbit. Build new large modules, not cages. Then there will be a commercial interest in it, and everything will revolve around it. And "trucks" should be reusable, of course.

[donavi49]

Well it is clear. Plus, you can return broken equipment or spacesuits. It’s cheaper to send them again after repair.

And even if you don’t send it, the technique that has worked in space is in itself good food for new developments and ideas. If you drown, then all the data on the work say for two years, the degree of wear and tear, changes in equipment burn. If you return, then you can explore everything thoroughly.

This post is more likely - based, Progress is the best, nothing else is needed, reusability is not needed, the results of research are pushed into the Union.
As a result, once and suddenly, they make a ship like Mask.

[Mityay65]

Quote: donavi49

based, Progress is the best, nothing else is needed, reusability is not needed, the results of research are pushed into the Union.

So it is - the return of the goods is not necessary, just unnecessary, there are no problems. The reusability of the spacecraft after the shuttle is simply insanity, another thing is the reusability of the launch vehicle, it is interesting. But first you need to get acquainted with the results of SpaceX, and then decide, not vice versa! There are suspicions that the economy is not beating in Ilon. In general, to supply the ISS there are 2 reliable and cheap spacecraft - Soyuz / Progress. They do not need a replacement until there is a passenger and cargo flow into orbit more than now every 6-8.
Therefore, there is absolutely no need to repeat the CC on the ideology of the 60s. It would be better if the guys did something really useful.

[tarakan]

There is something to carry. There Europeans, Japanese made experimental mini-factories. For all kinds of electronics.
In general, the ISS in the future should become a factory in orbit. Build new large modules, not cages. Then there will be a commercial interest in it, and everything will revolve around it. And "trucks" should be reusable, of course.
Wouldn't it be better to invest in a tug with a battery core?

[Mityay65]

Quote: tarakan

There Europeans, Japanese made experimental mini-factories.

This is systemic delirium, repeated for decades. There are no minifactories there and there will never be on the ISS. Microgravity conditions are not clean. Continuous activity and activity. The ISS is for another.

[Tarasios]

logically, composites will burn well when undocking worked out stages when they enter orbit. It's better than drowning a bunch of scrap metal every time

[Pension]

Is there something in Russia over the past decades that there are so many developers of space trucks and ships, but not one has yet to go into the series .. Or do I don’t understand something men? Are our designers too enthusiastic about the development of various modifications? After all, Russia is not the USSR and Russia's possibilities are limited in EVERYTHING! Hurry, otherwise we’ll stay in the tail ..

[Antidote]

The paper will endure everything, but for a collapsed piece of iron you can lose a warm place. Therefore, one projection, paper.

[Lord of the Sith]

Good luck!
The main thing is that the deadlines do not shift due to stupid sanctions.

[reader65]

I often go by.
So far, only the field has been surrounded by a fence.
So it will not be composites soon.
But directors and managers are already there.

[Awaz]

I’m not against progress, but by then Musk will come up with some other garbage and what will Roskosmos do? It's over to chase after Mask. Musk has already begun to say that ships must be built out of stainless steel ...
I don’t understand these effec tives at all. It’s hard to do two options of Prograss, one fueling tank and the other with a returnable module and without a fueling system. So they would attach a returnable plastic capsule to the 2nd progress ..
Cheap fast and cheerful.
And about Argo by the year 24 and they will forget it as soon as the money is cut.

[slipped]

Quote: AwaZ

I don’t understand these effec tives at all.

"What's your name? Avaz! Me? Nikolai Stepanovich ...." © not mine.

Quote: AwaZ

It’s hard to do two options of Prograss, one fueling tank and the other with a returnable module and without a fueling system.

This one is the tanker:

This one with the returned module:

In the process of returning from the ISS to the Earth, more than 200 kg of cargo was delivered. Including the results of space experiments:

Quote: AwaZ

And about Argo by the year 24 and they will forget it as soon as the money is cut.

This is a commercial, private project from a private company. Whose money are they going to cut?

[Astra55]

At least the terms are foreseeable. We will see.

[Romanenko]

Something against the backdrop of the flashing bright light and quietly dying out projects of the Angara and Federation, this news is not particularly optimistic.
Projects appear from time to time, funding opens, and over time they report that the topic has lost its relevance ..
Money chtoli ran out ???
And in orbit everyone flies and flies Protons and Unions

[CBR600]

Dads, don't hit the current .... It seemed to me that 2 tons of cargo is nothing for a truck? Well, if it were at least disposable, cheap, it's not a pity. But 2 tons, is it pivasik that should they throw in there? A ton back. No, I certainly understand, they say this is space, there is like a gram there, that's all. But here in 2020 and a truck, maybe a truck, like a commercial one there - "pizza delivery" or "home medicine". Yes, and the composites have already been run in, what would be used for reusable trucks? ... epoxy fiberglass .... is it legal?