Electronic census in Ukraine revealed the loss of 15 million citizens

At the end of last year, the so-called electronic population census was conducted in Ukraine. She showed that as of December 1, 2019, 37 million 289 thousand people lived in the country. Thus, since gaining independence in 1991, Ukraine has officially lost approximately 15 million inhabitants. This information was presented to the public by the Minister of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine Dmitry Dubilet.

The census did not take into account the inhabitants of the Russian Crimea, the DNI and the LC, although official Kiev considers them to be their own. Thus, official Kiev indirectly recognizes that these territories do not belong to it.

Ukraine did not begin to carry out the standard procedure of the official population census, which provides for interviewing residents of the country. This would have cost the treasury 3,4 billion hryvnias (approximately 8,6 billion rubles). Therefore, these funds decided to save most of this money and conduct an electronic census, which is something like a statistical analysis.

Based on the data received, the Ukrainian government will forecast economic development and carry out strategic planning.

But a number of Ukrainian experts doubt the correctness of the calculations and considers the population of Ukraine to be overestimated. The census more or less accurately takes into account the missing population of uncontrolled territories and the excess of mortality over fertility. But as for the several million residents who went abroad on a temporary or permanent basis, this category in the calculations remained “outside the brackets”. If the census was carried out fully, it is unlikely that Ukraine would have "found" 33 million citizens. Experts, taking into account those who have left for Russia, the EU, Belarus, Kazakhstan, the USA and Canada, note that today no more than 33 million people live in Ukraine.

And the Ukrainian economist Aleksey Kushch doubts that the government is capable of managing something:

The current government is not able to form effective economic parametric models, on the basis of which it is possible to predict the development of the economy. And the reluctance to find out the truth suggests that the government, by and large, is not going to develop such models, moving like a log along the river. Their model is only the speed of the current and the direction of this current.

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[Bashkirkhan]

Apparently the remaining 15 million did not fit into the market.

[St Petrov]

these were the wrong Ukrainians. and they were told - a suitcase, a station - the whole world. The sad tribe has been suffering this for 5 years now. gives a tax on war, which is not and suffers. He looks at the Nazis and suffers. Elder killers sit in the Ministry of Internal Affairs posts - and the country looks at it and is silent. Minister of the Interior - Armenian. The president is a Jew. Yaytsenyuk with a billion.
Guidnost Ukrainian cossacks on the face.
Bused drivers of minibuses for the fact that not on the moo moo. In general, all this is of course disgusting.
An informer on an informer, prostitution and fascism with a blue cyborgized ata — these are the pillars of the natii.

Thanks to the revolution of dignity - that I have now seen all this. They opened their eyes. And then everything was hiding behind the farms with a wicker fence behind smiles and fraternal handshakes. And now everything has come out.

[Olgovich]

Quote: s-t Petrov

they were told - a suitcase, a station - the whole world

The REAL number of people living in Ukraine is still less and precisely for the reason that you indicated: we have traveled around the world ...

In Moldova, the same: loss 30% population over 30 years. But of those that are one third lives abroad ...

The Baltic states are the same situation ...

[St Petrov]

The REAL number of people living in Ukraine is less and precisely for the reason that you indicated: we have traveled around the world ...

In Moldova, the same: loss of 30% of the population over 30 years. But of those that are a third, lives Abroad ...

The Baltic states are the same situation ...

Andrew, the West raped Selyukov fervently. Everyone flew. And Poland will fly soon. So I’m not even surprised why this is so. And we flew in due time. But we quickly knocked this silky whim out of our heads. Although now there are also Westerners. But their circus no longer breaks out sold-outs and tickets vparivayut with surcharge

PS sad in its guilty selyuk-minusovator from the dummy kaganate - zaminusuyte your patient being and consciousness. Realize who you are and hide in a corner for crowing birds

[TermNachTer]

I agree. 37 million is a very optimistic figure. Calculations based on the consumption of bread by the population were uploaded on the Internet, there generally about 30 million are obtained.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: s-t Petrov

The president is a Jew.

here I would argue .... or you need to write in quotation marks !!! of him is the same Jew as of us all ballerinas !!!

[Graz]

nothing new under the moon in Russia since Yeltsin’s time, no less than 6-7 million people didn’t fit into the market as Chubais would say, and this is without taking into account those who left, and those who were brought to the grave

[Hunter 2]

Yeah, losing a third of the Country’s Population ... it’s practically Genocide. The non-brothers are of course the record holders ... walking on a rake.

[St Petrov]

Yeah, losing a third of the Country’s Population ... it's practically Genocide

and YOU are to blame for everything - the Muscovites are insidious. They blocked the oxygen for a fair-faced tribe, racially correct.

So it goes. And in this animal from the photo below, nothing is flowing in the head. Well, we wish this pensioner a bright future, like the knights from ATA. I hope her son feeds worms in ATE

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Apparently the remaining 15 million did not fit into the market.

They fit into the market, but not in the independence. However, like the Baltic countries, during the years of independence, have lost a third of their population. Sideways she goes to them, this square.

[nikon7717]

According to Wiki, as of November 2019, the population was 41 million, excluding Crimea and Sevastopol (link to the public service of Ukraine). http://database.ukrcensus.gov.ua/PXWEB2007/ukr/news/op_popul.asp
Actually, if you estimate how many Ukrainians it took to earn money for a cordon, and really moved to permanent residence, then I think up to 10 million can be eliminated (many neighbors from Europe offered them good conditions) And the DPR and LPR, which are de facto cut chunks, 1,5 more, XNUMX million for sure.
Total less than 30 million permanent residents, with a declining birth rate.
Sad brothers Slavs ...

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Sideways it goes to them, this square.

the fact is that they have no independence !!! although they are shaking about it for days to fly !!!

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Apparently the remaining 15 million did not fit into the market.

Do you have at least a CONCEPT of what is "Market"?

[Bashkirkhan]

You can educate, I will honor.

[cniza]

And the Ukrainian economist Aleksey Kushch doubts that the government is capable of managing something:

Sound thoughts are present.

[rocket757]

Ha, yes, they’ll be found in any country and will say that he specifically and better managed it, this is not news. The real state of countries shows who and what is wrong.

[Keyser soze]

Kushch generally doubts that the country's government is capable of managing something:

Hih ... why, your or our government can manage something? Different countries, the same mediocrity and thieves ....

[Nastia makarova]

37 is also too much because counted on SIM cards)))) 27-30 is so more real

[Marconi41]

Quote: Nastia Makarova

37 is also too much because counted on SIM cards)))) 27-30 is so more real

Such a calculation is also not real. Up to a certain age, children also do not have SIM cards, plus other dependents (people with disabilities, the elderly). In general, such a calculation is complete nonsense, but it is obvious to the Ukrainian authorities that this suits.

[Nastia makarova]

Yes, they don’t need to count at all, they wrote by eye and that's it

[Crimean partisan 1974]

27-30 is so much more real ..... you are mistaken, and there were 37 millenons in U at the time of the population correspondence at Yanyka, it was no more, and so the reference point 37, after 23, 02, 2014. The DPR did not -4 miles, LNR-4 miles and Crimea 2 miles, and that = 27, leakage of about 10 more miles for permanent residence over the hill, as a result, about 17 miles in the territory of U, and it is unlikely that anyone will refute my figures, but I’ll offhand in reality, everything can be much worse

[Nastia makarova]

well, so I have 27))) they count with "DNR-4 mileyon, LNR-4 mileyon and Crimea 2 milena" Ukrainian passports, they did not pass Russian

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Ukrainian passports, they did not pass the Russian ones .... all the Crimeans have a passport, too, in their hands, but that's what an ambush. In the territory of U, there are already other passports, but in the non-territories of the DPR LPR and Kyma, no one changed them, right at the Kiwiv junta, Gogol's reincarnation "Dead Souls", do you think you read this work?

[Nastia makarova]

I read it of course, so he doesn’t need a real census, officials earn on dead souls, for example, the same pensions !!! how many already paid payments settled in the pockets of their officials

[Nastia makarova]

which is beneficial for us, let them rob everything that remains

[Crimean partisan 1974]

let them rob everything that is left ... so it is, but there is one problem, these are nuclear plants, one of the most dangerous for us is the collapsing emergency unit 4 of the Chernobyl nuclear power plant with the release of radio mud to Pripyat and further to the Dnieper and the Zaporizhzhya NPP itself six shaking blocks from Westinghouse thermal assemblies, and it doesn’t shake it childishly, it’s all radiog ... merging into the Black Sea, then the western coast of Crimea is under threat, something like this

[Nastia makarova]

I think Europe controls and they will not let

[Crimean partisan 1974]

controls and they will let you smell ...... what they control there, high-purity fuel, it’s the same as if you pour aviation gas into your car, the engine’s fist of friendship will immediately show despite all kinds of controls, which’s depressing the allocation of funds for maintaining the Chernobyl sarcophagus from destruction, there are simply no means and no one will let you steal more, and the yong (sarcophagus) is already falling apart, that’s the control

[Nastia makarova]

Europe will also suffer very much from radiation

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Europe will also suffer very much from radiation ... absolutely will not suffer. Bulgaria and Romania are the 3rd grade of Eurospermans; therefore, they are not a pity. especially Turku, according to this, there is no control whatsoever and will not be, moreover, the topic of the disposal of nuclear waste from Europe in the 10 km zone of the Chernobyl NPP aggravates. how are those such controls ??? and the fact that about it quietly is silent this is the EU control

[Nastia makarova]

Yes, nothing to do with it, it will explode the nuclear power station on the border with Poland and the wind will blow everything to Europe

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Yes, chaos has nothing to do with it, it will explode the nuclear power station on the border with Poland .... The Chernobyl nuclear power plant still has nothing to do with it, and the South Ukrainian and Rivne NPPs are drowned out like the Bulgarian goat-ass, so the Europeans have protected themselves, do you feel the topic?

[Nastia makarova]

Chaes is no longer interesting, but has done its job. got nonsense with him to write
are very worried that the wind does not blow in their direction, all of Europe will cease to exist if other nuclear power plants are torn apart from Chernobyl

[Crimean partisan 1974]

they are very worried that the wind does not blow in their direction, ......... and the trade winds along ... or before .... on the experiences of the humanoids, at the expense of the existence of this is another question. for example. I will reveal the secret why the samurai have heightened interest in the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin, but everything is simple, Fukushima has dirtied the sea-oceans for thousands of miles and continues to crap until now for 9 years as crap, and it is known that Ssamurai food is 90 percent of seafood, from the okeyan side the authorities forbade mining, the kimchen-ynts are whispering their nerves from the sea of ​​japan, and down to the south, there the Xiaoping cordons are watching their sea for the day, such a sadness, and you, "got stupid to write with him," is not very stupid, this is reality

[Nastia makarova]

they will not fit on these islands)))) only if it were so dangerous from Fukushima, would there be a cry for the whole world for a long time or want to say that the poor Japs are deceived by the authorities?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

only if it were so dangerous from Fukushima, then there would have been a cry for the whole world for a long time ..... given, really, the recent poll of puberty in Japan regarding the atomic bombings of X and H, they stupidly answered, Stalin bombed ... these are time, and no cries

[Nastia makarova]

And then Stalin ???? they are so stupid that they eat radiation and are happy with everything

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And then Stalin ???? .... nothing to do with voschet. I'm talking about screams, that is, as you put it, "there would have been a scream for the whole world for a long time," well, somehow, there are no screams, but there are no screams, and there are no screams, because it is in no way possible to attract the ears to this tragedy to the Fukushima of the Russian Federation , nevertheless, back in 2011, I and I wrote similar reports to send the elimination of the accident to Fuku, but they stupidly refused, deciding that flushing the radio ... into the ocean was the most effective, so we ended up in a loop

[Odysseus]

A vivid illustration of what comes the former Soviet republic, which completely rejected the "damned scoop", "totalitarian past", and de-communized to the ground. Finally, "democracy and effective capitalism" won out - get the mass extinction of the people and the disintegration of the country. Against the background of Ukraine, there is still a post-Soviet Russian Federation with its miserable extinction of 300 thousand people. looks like a welfare state. However, if Russia goes in the same direction, it will get even worse results.

[Altona]

Quote: Odyssey

A vivid illustration of what comes the former Soviet republic, which completely rejected the "damned scoop", "totalitarian past", and decommunized to the ground.

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It is unpleasant to read the comments, equipped with slogans and insults, the so-called domestic racism. You need to start with the economic basis and the political superstructure.
1) By the 1980s, the Soviet Union lost the means of economic stimulation of its population. Then I faced a drop in income for various reasons. Moscow, as a union center, began to draw off resources for itself, separatist sentiments began to heat up in the regions - "Muscovites ate your bacon", "we will secede like in France", etc.
2) With the separation of the USSR and the collapse of CMEA, the division of labor in the socialist bloc was lost. Some countries and former Soviet republics were of varying degrees of development and not all were industrial-agrarian, more agrarian. The rulers of these countries began to seek to integrate into the EU or the global market, where, accordingly, there were their puppeteers, more sophisticated. With loans and promises they dragged the fragments of the social bloc into their market, Soviet industry was dismantled. Industrial monsters, calculated on the market of the entire CMEA and the Third World, either died themselves or went bankrupt, but they could not have a different fate without a vast market.
3) Even with a great desire to reunite, Ukraine, and Belarus, do not see an attractive social model in Russia, but see all the same destructive processes that they want to leave. That is, we all have built around the same model for the distribution of social wealth.
4) Desovetization and decommunization is an ideological cover for tearing apart public property and giving it some kind of legitimacy.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Altona

It is unpleasant to read the comments, equipped with slogans and insults, the so-called domestic racism. You need to start with the economic basis and the political superstructure.

The Lord is with you. Where did you see "insults" in my commentary and "everyday racism"?
As a true internationalist, I treat all the former Soviet republics equally well. And the poor citizens of the former USSR are especially sorry.
Decommunization and the "totalitarian past" and so on. these are not slogans, but a very real official course of the authorities of the former Ukrainian SSR and their official rhetoric.
The bottom line is that the transition to capitalism in the former USSR was supposed to lead to the results that it ultimately led to. It is just a harsh reality in life.
It's just that Ukraine has gone further along this path than Russia. The Russian Federation is still a post-Soviet country that has retained a certain degree of state independence and some Soviet assets. After the 2nd Maidan, Ukraine "finally chose the European path of development." With corresponding results ....
PS Then you wrote a lot of everything, part is correct, part (for example 1 point), IMHO, is completely wrong. But here you need to write for a long time, unfortunately, now I do not have time for a detailed answer on each item.

[Altona]

Quote: Odyssey

Then you wrote

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I wrote as briefly as I could, because you cannot write an article in a comment. Naturally, brevity hid some of the nuances that could have been deployed to support the thesis. You apparently just did not understand everything. Second, I judge everything from the perspective of an economic basis, and from this perspective Ukraine wants to integrate into the EU, naturally changing the red flag to yellow-black, no matter how we feel about it. As regards 1 point, everything is true, you just have no idea about the goals of Kosygin’s reforms, and what incentives work has run into.

[Keyser soze]

You need to start with the economic basis and the political superstructure.

Dam, your whole post speaks the truth
At a minimum, you are well versed in economics and political science. I wonder what is your education?

[Altona]

Quote: Keyser Soze

At a minimum, you are well versed in economics and political science. I wonder what is your education?

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I am a mechanical engineer by education, Eugene. Since I studied hydraulic drives, I sometimes use Bulgarian Badenost hydraulic control valves in designs.

[Keyser soze]

I am a mechanical engineer by education, Eugene.

Surprisingly - my respect is an engineer for mechanics, with similar thinking in other people's fields.

I sometimes use the Bulgarian Badenost hydraulic control valves in designs.

Alas, I am a standard economist and do not understand at all in your area. I have not even heard of the Bulgarian directional control valves :)

[Operator]

37 million is the number of citizens of the outskirts, and the number of people living at the time (taking into account the departure of migrant workers abroad) is about 30 million.

Due to the small number of the actual population (almost half as much as in 1991) and the influx of currency from guest workers, the outskirts now survive, despite the complete collapse of the industry (with the exception of the extractive industry).

[Cowbra]

Seems to me greatly downplayed. It was considered a year ago in the consumption of bread in the country - it was barely enough there, but almost 20))) If my memory serves me right, 40 was in 42. Minus the Donbass, minus the Crimea, minus washed away from the Nazis or from the grave (2014 waves !!!) - is that all 6 million only? Stop saying, Koziulsky, you're not on Privoz!

[Brturin]

Quote: Cowbra

Counted a year ago on the consumption of bread in the country

And this is minus 10% for bread consumption - the State Statistics Service of Ukraine for 11 months of last year in Ukraine produced 782,27 thousand tons of bread and bakery products, including about 67 thousand tons in November. - About 850 thousand tons per year. In 2000 - 2464 thousand tons of bakery products. 2,9 times decreased ... In 2000, it was considered 49 million people ....

[PalBor]

Yes, it wasn’t a census, but an estimate of the number using a mathematical model based on the data of the registry office, mobile operators, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, some more ... In general, as much as you want, write as much, try to check.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

You can educate, I will honor.

Actually, this is not a subject for this forum.
Start by reading the founders explaining what's what, with terms.
For example, "Capital" by K. Marx. Reread his correspondence with Kautsky.

[VicktorVR]

I don’t understand why to go home. Now everything is registered with the state: in passport offices, registry offices, in a pension fund, in social insurance, in the compulsory medical insurance system, in the tax system there are data for all adults (except for completely homeless people and illegal immigrants), and in the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Health there is data on all (absolute majority) children. There are still banks. Combine these databases into one and you can see the population in real time and a bunch of statistics on it: children, adults, workers, pensioners, of. income / expenses, illness, employment (off), profession, even what it eats (according to store receipts).
Why are these people "with thick shoulder bags"? To which many simply do not open the door (laziness, fear of robbers, etc.), but do they not find someone at home? Just drank some dough?

[Nastia makarova]

consider not the number of passports but really living citizens !!! if a person has left to work or live abroad, he does not fall into the population of the country !!!

[Victor March 47]

Quote: PalBor

Yes, it wasn’t a census, but an estimate of the number using a mathematical model based on the data of the registry office, mobile operators, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, some more ... In general, as much as you want, write as much, try to check.

More detailed and accurate calculations would lead everyone to even greater despondency.
To start, and this is quite ....
Having assessed the state of affairs of their allied brothers, the Baltic states, they will understand that such progress is only the beginning. Like any body, society, with larger dimensions, Ukraine also has greater inertia. But the failures will be much larger, of course. And the Balts lost about 1/3 of their population. And the trend is developing further. The sale of land and restitution will accelerate the process of diversion. When from under your feet, and from your hands will go away what you are used to during the years of Soviet power.

[Nastia makarova]

in 20 years, only 20% of the Baltic states will remain in the territory, they talk about it themselves, young people leave immediately, elderly parents remain who in 20 years will not be

[Victor March 47]

Quote: VicktorVR

I don’t understand why to go home. Now everything is registered with the state: in passport offices, registry offices, in a pension fund, in social insurance, in the compulsory medical insurance system, in the tax system there are data for all adults (except for completely homeless people and illegal immigrants), and in the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Health there is data on all (absolute majority) children. There are still banks. Combine these databases into one and you can see the population in real time and a bunch of statistics on it: children, adults, workers, pensioners, of. income / expenses, illness, employment (off), profession, even what it eats (according to store receipts).
Why are these people "with thick shoulder bags"? To which many simply do not open the door (laziness, fear of robbers, etc.), but do they not find someone at home? Just drank some dough?

There is no shared database. And society opposes the creation of such a base. Excerpts, repetitions, disconnected pieces of one with the other give enormous errors. For one base, the key is one; for the other, the other. And we need intelligent systems that recognize the same. To create such a base is YEARS of work. And, above all, the legislative framework, technical means, programs, and teams involved in this business. A crowd of census takers prepared in three days for a penny will do this in two days. Accuracy to the last person is not achieved anyway.

[Grandfather Crimea]

37 million is nonsense, too much. In small towns where there is no work, families leave in large numbers. The minus territories that have left, 5-7 million people who have gone abroad over the past 5 years (the west has long been in Europe) and is full of government nonsense. They don’t want to tell the truth. SCARY)))))))

[thinker]

The Show me World channel in Yandex.Zen, which specializes in analyzing the economy and social life of different countries of the world, published interesting data from the results of the 1989 All-Union Census and estimated population numbers for 2019:

[Altona]

Quote: thinker

Show me World channel on Yandex.Zen

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The picture is presented in absolute percentages of population growth / decrease. It will be more correct to clean out the influx of migrants from it, and Russia's position will be equated with the Slavic republics.

[Lexus]

It will be more correct to clean out the influx of migrants from it, and Russia's position will be equated with the Slavic republics.

Therefore, they give general figures and paint on them. Otherwise, the "achievements" in demography over the past 30 years cannot be called anything other than genocide. And surely the "dead souls" also vote exclusively "correctly".

[NF68]

Who ran away where. Mostly for earnings. It looks like the promised prosperity of Ukraine is being put off.

[Incvizitor]

What was the potential and all galloped, pan-legged conflict-free.

[Ros 56]

Yes, about 30% of the population to lose, it is in some kind of war must participate. The USSR in the Second World War lost less in percentage terms. Well, for what they fought.

[Alexander X]

Maxim died, and okay (censorship) with him ...

[Jarserge]

Knowing the habits of Svidomo is clearly overstated, I think they attributed 7-10 million for sure.

[Pension]

revealed the loss of 15 million citizens

Nobody is surprised, and for a long time. 10 million in Russia have been "sitting out with their relatives" and 5 million in the EU have been cleaning toilets and picking strawberries ..
But 2% of "zapadnentsy" seized power in Kiev, bombing Donbass and arranging torchlight processions in Kiev and no longer graze goats
Paradox? Don't think

[Shiva83483]

What 37 people live in Hohland? Unless virtual ... but they’ll write off money for this business, and don’t go to your grandmother

[Bear040]

A dashing misfortune began ... Although, something tells me that there are really fewer people in Sumeria than they say to the public ...

[cat Rusich]

The rulers of Ukraine are "independent" from the population of Ukraine.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

I completely agree with those experts who consider 37 million to be an overestimated figure. I believe that the true number of today's population of Ukraine is no more than 30 million. It’s just scary to call the true number the ruling because of possible unrest.

[Kuzmitsky]

Try to count them! Scurry back and forth.