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Anti-tank grenade (right) and KAZ Iron Fist


The Israeli company Elbit Systems has tested an advanced active protection system for MBT and other Iron Fist equipment. According to Jane's, the upgraded system intercepted a 120-millimeter caliber armor-piercing stabilized projectile.

The company called these tests successful, because the vast majority of active defense systems that exist today cannot intercept sub-caliber shells because of its smaller size and high initial speed compared to missiles.

During the modernization of KAZ Iron Fist, Elbit Systems specialists introduced a new launcher with exploding explosive elements and a new radar station. During the tests, the complex, thanks to the new radar, "saw" the armor-piercing projectile and shot in its direction with a new striking element, which exploded near the projectile, thereby changing its flight path.

As stated in the company, the task of the improved Iron Fist complex is to change the trajectory of the armor-piercing subcaliber shell so that it either does not hit the target or gets into the tank at an non-optimal angle. Since BOPS is, in fact, a metal disc with a tail, it is impossible to detonate it in the air like a rocket.

At the same time, Elbit Systems recognized that by “teaching” KAZ Iron Fist to intercept sub-caliber shells, they significantly increased visibility tank - a working new radar of the complex with a capacity of 200 watts can be detected by electronic intelligence systems at ranges up to 500 kilometers.

We’ll add that in Russia there is an active defense system capable of intercepting armor-piercing subcaliber shells. As previously reported, the upgraded KAZ "Afganit", intended for installation on the T-14 "Armata", received new striking elements that can deflect BOPs from the flight path, creating a blast wave.
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  1. Siberian 66 29 January 2020 09: 26 New
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    I hope our KAZ in Syria experienced. It was not heard, but I really hope. The Israelis have more opportunities to experience such things, the state of permanent war with the entire Arab world keeps their army in good shape. And protecting people is their tradition.
    1. svp67 29 January 2020 09: 30 New
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      Quote: Siberian 66
      I hope our KAZ in Syria experienced.

      And on what "cats" are there to test them? With available from the "barmaley" ATGM and "Shtora" cope.
      At the same time, Elbit Systems recognized that by “teaching” KAZ Iron Fist to intercept sub-caliber shells, they significantly increased the tank’s visibility - a working new radar of the complex with a power of 200 watts can be detected by electronic intelligence systems at ranges up to 500 kilometers.
      And this is another big problem for all KAZ. The tank simply "screams" to the whole world: "I'm here, I'm here" ...
      1. bessmertniy 29 January 2020 09: 43 New
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        There is a “hacker” for every tricky defense. So KAZ is not a panacea for a good shot. hi
        1. Shurik70 29 January 2020 16: 01 New
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          In the photo - a missile from ATGM
          Cannot be compared with the speed of a cannon shell.
          In practice, it is necessary to detect a flying projectile in time, fire a "protivosnaryadnuyu" missile, let it go to intercept and detonate at a strictly specified point in time.
          With the exception of "detect a flying shell in time," everything else is pretty easy to implement. But how is the shell detected? If only for 10 km they shoot, there really is quite spotted by radars. And if direct fire over 5 km, then how? Seven seconds of flight, and not a single radar will see
          1. Crimean partisan 1974 29 January 2020 16: 41 New
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            In the photo - a missile from an ATGM .......... in the photo is not a projectile or ATGM, it is a standard PG-7 shot from the good old RPG -7, the speed is not more than 300 m per second, with shells about 900- 1400 meters per second, noodles on the ears. buy urgently forks
      2. Siberian 66 29 January 2020 09: 52 New
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        You know, with all the "Curtains", ask the tanker who is going into battle whether he will refuse KAZ or not. The answer I think is obvious. And not all my life to meet with the old generations of anti-tank systems.
        1. svp67 29 January 2020 10: 35 New
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          Quote: Siberian 66
          You know, with all the "Curtains" ask the tanker who is going into battle, will he refuse KAZ or not

          And if you ask about this infantry, covering this tank. And if the tankman finds out that the infantry, knowing that the KAZ will work for him, will not even follow him, but will not even come close to him and he will have to fight in "proud loneliness" as he will then look at whether to include KAZ or not ?
        2. Crimean partisan 1974 29 January 2020 16: 45 New
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          whether he refuses KAZ or not ..... buy an ultrasonic “ultra-dog” on a free market, put it on your Bosko and press a button, then you will understand what awaits you if you are part of a tank guard with an activated KAZ
      3. figwam 29 January 2020 10: 49 New
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        Quote: Siberian 66
        I hope our KAZ in Syria experienced.

        To do this, you need an enemy tank that uses sub-caliber shells, but the barmalei do not.
        Quote: svp67
        And if you ask about this infantry

        Enough is behind the tank and not sit on the armor.
        1. svp67 29 January 2020 11: 01 New
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          Quote: figvam
          Enough is behind the tank and not sit on the armor.

          Yeah, you won’t get much behind the tank, and now, very often the infantry is allowed to go forward so that it starts cleaning, and the tank at that moment covers it.
          1. figwam 29 January 2020 11: 11 New
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            Quote: svp67
            Yeah, you won’t get much behind the tank, and now

            Well, not ahead of the tank in two meters to run. The tactics will change, it is enough for the infantry to be 20 meters from the tank, which is enough to cover it.
            1. svp67 29 January 2020 11: 14 New
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              Quote: figvam
              Well, do not run ahead of the tank two meters away

              Excuse me, how do you think how far the fragments of the "combat element" of KAZ fly? What danger zone is formed around the tank? This is not two meters and not twenty, but more, much more
              1. figwam 29 January 2020 11: 23 New
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                Quote: svp67
                What danger zone is formed around the tank?

                Different KAZ systems have a fragment damage zone of 15 to 30 m.
                1. svp67 29 January 2020 11: 27 New
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                  Quote: figvam
                  Different KAZ systems have a fragment damage zone of 15 to 30 m.

                  You do not confuse the departure distance of the "combat element" with the "radius of the expansion of the fragments." Even the F-1, it is about 200 meters, and this "thing" is much more powerful
                  1. figwam 29 January 2020 11: 45 New
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                    Quote: svp67
                    You do not confuse the departure distance of the "combat element"

                    No.
                    On the example of the thrush
                    1. Operator 29 January 2020 16: 06 New
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                      The danger zone for the dispersion of the striking elements of the counter-munition and the fragments of the attacking munition is 150 meters.
          2. Zefr 29 January 2020 13: 48 New
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            I’m not a military man, and I don’t know the tactics, but for me it’s dangerous to be near the tank for anyone - you can get your own shot and get a shell shock, or something else will fly into the tank, and then it will not go awry. Therefore, in principle, you can’t sit under the tank
            1. AUL
              AUL 29 January 2020 18: 11 New
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              Quote: Zefr
              I’m not a military man, and I don’t know the tactics, but for me it’s dangerous to be near the tank for anyone - you can get your own shot and get a shell shock, or maybe something else will fly into the tank,

              But fighting is generally unsafe. Though near the tank, even without it ...
              1. Zefr 30 January 2020 05: 13 New
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                The point is that the tank has already been fired, and the gap will be in any case - is there a KAZ or not. That is, the nearby infantry when hit in the tank will be hit in any case, from their own KAZ or enemy shell, it does not matter.
      4. Herman 4223 29 January 2020 12: 16 New
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        And the point is that he screams. In fact, in this case, only aviation remains to fight it and artillery. And this is a problem.
    2. Maz
      Maz 29 January 2020 09: 50 New
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      It’s strange, what does the shot from RPG7 do in the photo?
      1. svp67 29 January 2020 11: 14 New
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        Quote: Maz
        It’s strange, what does the shot from RPG7 do in the photo?

        What, does, what does? Flies about his business ...
    3. Zaurbek 29 January 2020 10: 42 New
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      It is unlikely .... any non-standard tank would already be lit. Commander T90 from simple distinguish immediately. And with KAZ they would have burned right away.
    4. mvg
      mvg 30 January 2020 17: 20 New
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      I hope our KAZ in Syria experienced

      What to test, is there tank battle? Or is Vladimir Afganit on the T-90A?
      a state of permanent war with the whole Arab world

      At such an age, such nonsense !!! Does Hezbollah have tanks? They have peace with the entire Arab world, except for Syria, which is on a deadlock, it can only compete with the Jews now.
  2. Mountain shooter 29 January 2020 09: 30 New
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    BOPS ... where did the BOPS have from the barmalei? Are you preparing for war, gentlemen? Only tanks now use such ammunition. Iran has BOPS, fact ...
    1. avib 29 January 2020 09: 39 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      BOPS ... where did the BOPS have from the barmalei? Are you preparing for war, gentlemen? Only tanks now use such ammunition. Iran has BOPS, fact ...

      Iron Fist has a very high marketing potential. The more "abilities" - the higher the potential.
      They are going to sell it trite and there are many potential buyers who are just interested in the opportunity to shoot down BOPS.
    2. Krasnodar 29 January 2020 10: 10 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      BOPS ... where did the BOPS have from the barmalei? Are you preparing for war, gentlemen? Only tanks now use such ammunition. Iran has BOPS, fact ...

      Where do the barmaley have tanks? )))
  3. Monar 29 January 2020 09: 38 New
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    I do not understand. In the photo, a shot from an RPG seems to be. What does the caliber shell have to do with it?
    1. Stas 2rep 29 January 2020 09: 49 New
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      LNG-9 / BMP-BMD 1.
      1. Monar 29 January 2020 09: 50 New
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        Thanks for the clarification.
    2. nduchvve 29 January 2020 16: 36 New
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      Quote: Monar
      I do not understand. In the photo, a shot from an RPG seems to be. What does the caliber shell have to do with it?
      An original Janes article says that Elbit has not yet published images of the interception of a sub-caliber projectile. Therefore, they inserted an interception of RPGs as a thematic illustration.

      Caption to the original photo:
      An image of the IFLD munition just before it intercepts an RPG. Elbit has not released any imagery of the IFLK defeating an APFSDS. Source: Elbit Systems
      https://www.janes.com/article/93902/iav-2020-elbit-s-iron-fist-engages-kinetic-energy-round
  4. Private-K 29 January 2020 09: 38 New
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    It is doubtful that the lungs of the GEA of this KAZ could reject the “crowbar” of the OBPS. Even if they hit, which is also doubtful.
    1. Mountain shooter 29 January 2020 09: 46 New
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      Quote: Private-K
      It is doubtful that the lungs of the GEA of this KAZ could reject the “crowbar” of the OBPS. Even if they hit, which is also doubtful.

      There it is not necessary to tie it into a knot. It is enough to slightly deviate the trajectory from the straightforward ... And he will not break through the armor anymore. Although I believe that hitting a tank with such energy on a tank will damage anything even without breaking it. Devices, antennas, sensors ... There are a lot of things sticking out of the tank now ...
    2. Nikolaevich I 29 January 2020 11: 02 New
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      Quote: Private-K
      so that the light GGEs of this KAZ could reject the “crowbar” of the OBPS. Even if they hit, which is also doubtful

      I agree, there are grounds for summation! The key to this KAZ was high-explosive defense shells, "practically not forming fragments!” Like, 100% humanism relative to their infantry, no one has this (!) ... perfect KAZ! fellow And “all of a sudden” -modernization with the slaughtering of “damaging elements” to the protective munition!
      "Where are you the infantry ... and the native company?" ... Mauger tama -special alimony? Yes, like neither! Alimony like alimony! Duc tady and shell ZOF53 KAZ "Drozd" with its "high-explosive fragmentation field" can reject BOPs? what But how can one get on with it if some people have previously stated that Iron Fist protective shells can deflect armor-piercing crowbars with just one! ) KAZ "Arena-M", subject to the introduction of modernized ammunition in the ammunition ... Why are there "Arena" (!), Then the "Barrier" can easily cope with sub-caliber ...! There too, "damaging elements" are formed!
  5. igorspb 29 January 2020 09: 46 New
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    what photo they found - and put it
  6. Graz 29 January 2020 09: 47 New
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    they will soon develop a shell with dummy dummies against the kaz so that the defense is completely discharged, another round of confrontation between the armor and the shell, the sword and the shield, it was, it is, it will be so
    1. figwam 29 January 2020 10: 42 New
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      Quote: Graz
      they’ll soon develop a shell with dummy dummies against the kaz,

      Already in service
      1. Lexus 29 January 2020 22: 34 New
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        Greetings, Sergey!
        Iron First has a dual-charge PU for counter ammunition in its base, so it will work on the Hook, just like the Kornet or Chrysanthemum take. But the fact that BOPS can bring down - fantastic news. Earlier, about the "Afghanit" rang on every corner, and where is it? It’s a shame when our soldiers, in this case tankers, are doomed to the role of cannon fodder in battle.
        1. figwam 29 January 2020 22: 45 New
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          Quote: lexus
          Previously, about the "afghanit" rang

          Hello Alexey.
          He stands on the Armata and BOPSy catches the same, wait for the first serial and we will be happy.
          1. Lexus 29 January 2020 23: 20 New
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            On Armati he stands and BOPS catches the same

            I saw only tubes and antennas. I did not see the interception. But once upon a time in KAZ we were the first.
            wait

            For almost 30 years we have been waiting for some miracle, but it still will not happen. And will it happen? You won’t be full of promises. request
  7. rocket757 29 January 2020 10: 03 New
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    Russia has an active defense system capable of intercepting armor-piercing subcaliber shells.

    The ability does not guarantee absolute protection. This has not yet been achieved.
    It is necessary to do, to do better and more efficiently. Even if some of the objects threatening the tank are intercepted, it’s a great thing!
  8. arhitroll 29 January 2020 10: 24 New
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    In some old fiction, I remember this: a super-duper advanced civilization with energy shields rooted in battle, because the spears moved too slowly and the field did not respond ...
  9. Victor March 47 29 January 2020 10: 31 New
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    Quote: Siberian 66
    And protecting people is their tradition.

    This is not a tradition. This is a cynical cruel necessity. Give any means to save the army. This dictates the absolute superiority of the surrounding world both in human resources and in material ones. Otherwise, do not survive. Similarly, not acts of manifestation of humanity, but the cruel need to save the wounded from the battlefield, even at the cost of new losses. Otherwise, an army that does not save will not really fight. Such an army can only perform in parades. But run away as soon as ....
  10. Victor March 47 29 January 2020 10: 38 New
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    Quote: Graz
    they will soon develop a shell with dummy dummies against the kaz so that the defense is completely discharged, another round of confrontation between the armor and the shell, the sword and the shield, it was, it is, it will be so

    Has already. I don’t remember the name, but we have an RPG with a double charge, shells, in a pair flying to the target. The first is distracting, the second is combat. The second starts with some delay.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 29 January 2020 22: 36 New
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      The second starts with some delay .... not in an RPG with a snag with a delay. the shot is fired by a doublet, the blender has a higher speed, according to this it comes to the first target ...... you yourself actually fired from a grenade launcher ????
  11. Operator 29 January 2020 11: 13 New
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    The future of KAZ / SAZ lies with passive stereoscopic optoelectronic means of detecting attacking ammunition.
    1. nduchvve 29 January 2020 16: 59 New
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      Quote: Operator
      The future of KAZ / SAZ lies with passive stereoscopic optoelectronic means of detecting attacking ammunition.

      I do not agree. In battle, the smoke of the surrounding area can reduce any optical visibility to zero. Then even the fastest recognition algorithms will be useless. It is necessary to irradiate the punching medium back and forth.

      The aforementioned optoelectronic devices also have a future, but they will not replace the radar on the tank.
      1. Operator 29 January 2020 17: 20 New
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        Everything is simple here - or there is visibility on the battlefield (then the tank is fired by BOPS, PTRS and RPGs, which are intercepted by KAZ with an optoelectronic system for detecting attacking ammunition) or there is no visibility on the battlefield (then the tank does not fire and does not need KAZ to work).

        Anti-tank missiles with ARGSN should not be offered - they are intercepted by KAZ with a passive detector of radiation from the airborne missile radar.
        1. nduchvve 29 January 2020 17: 57 New
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          Quote: Operator
          Everything is simple here - or there is visibility on the battlefield (then the tank is fired by BOPS, PTRS and RPGs, which are intercepted by KAZ with an optoelectronic system for detecting attacking ammunition) or there is no visibility on the battlefield (then the tank does not fire and does not need KAZ to work).

          I do not agree. They can shoot out of sight by target designation from another point, smoke can occur instantly, from an explosion nearby, but after pointing. In the end, an enemy tank can use the same radars.
          The fact that the tank is in zero visibility and does not see anyone does not mean that they do not see it.
          1. Operator 29 January 2020 18: 50 New
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            How can I shoot BOPS or RPGs with external target designation? laughing

            And even ATGM with external target designation in the face of the ATGM operator requires visual visibility of the target.

            Smoke can, of course, occur between the shot of the attacking ammunition and its approach to the detection line of the KAZ tank. But, firstly, this is a rare case, and secondly, infrared visibility is quite sufficient to detect attacking ammunition in smoke conditions at a distance of several hundred meters - the main thing is that the KAZ reaction time should be appropriate (within tenths of a second).
            1. nduchvve 29 January 2020 18: 56 New
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              Quote: Operator
              How can I shoot BOPS or RPGs with external target designation?

              In a stationary or slowly moving tank, to which other tanks put a smokescreen.

              Quote: Operator
              between the shot by the attacking ammunition and its approach
              No. Between the capture of the target and the shot. The human reaction is very often slower than the changing environment and the correction of actions is late. And this is not a rare case, the minimum reaction time without stress is 0.75 sec + the time to cancel the action after a decision is made. To do this, keep a temporary distance (2-3 seconds) between moving cars.
              1. Operator 29 January 2020 19: 10 New
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                Shooting BOPS / RPGs at the coordinates of the tank is fantastic.

                The reaction time of the Trophy SAZ is 0,2 seconds - the near detection line (minimum attainable visibility) of the attacking ammunition at a speed of 2 km / s in this case is 400 meters. When reducing the reaction time to 0,1 seconds, the minimum achievable visibility will be reduced to 200 meters, which is quite feasible for infrared sensors in the conditions of smoke on the battlefield.
                1. nduchvve 29 January 2020 19: 16 New
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                  Quote: Operator
                  The reaction time of the Trophy SAZ is 0,2 seconds - the near detection line (minimum attainable visibility) of the attacking ammunition at a speed of 2 km / s in this case is 400 meters. When reducing the reaction time to 0,1 seconds, the minimum achievable visibility will be reduced to 200 meters, which is quite feasible for infrared sensors in the conditions of smoke on the battlefield.
                  - I am not talking about that.

                  I about it:
                  Quote: Operator
                  there is no visibility on the battlefield (then the tank does not fire at anything and does not need KAZ’s work)

                  - The shooter will not have time to change the decision on the shot if visibility disappears within 2 seconds after the decision to shoot, and the target does not have time to leave. If in the next seconds after the shot the visibility does not appear, then the shot is fired, but it will not be visible.
                  1. Operator 29 January 2020 19: 20 New
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                    Once again - KAZ has enough visibility of 200 meters in the infrared range, which is achieved in 99% of cases of smoke on the battlefield.
                    1. nduchvve 29 January 2020 19: 23 New
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                      Quote: Operator
                      Once again - KAZ has enough visibility of 200 meters in the infrared range, which is achieved in 99% of cases of smoke on the battlefield.

                      - I do not own these percentages and do not know where the information comes from. I only know that infrared radiation is the same light, we just don’t see it.
                      1. Operator 29 January 2020 19: 28 New
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                        The permeability of infrared radiation through smoke is an order of magnitude better than visible light. To block infrared radiation, a special aerosol of burning particles or the release of soil into the air after an explosion is needed.
                      2. nduchvve 29 January 2020 19: 35 New
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                        Quote: Operator
                        The permeability of infrared radiation through smoke is an order of magnitude better than visible light. To block infrared radiation, a special aerosol of burning particles or the release of soil into the air after an explosion is needed.
                        It does not matter. Optical systems recognize a background image from reflected daylight. If BOPS is in smoke, then there will not be enough sunlight in either visible or infrared light - it is not visible in the optical system.

                        If irradiated with infrared light, how will this differ from the radar?
                        a working new radar of the complex with a capacity of 200 watts can be detected by electronic intelligence systems at ranges up to 500 kilometers.
                      3. Operator 29 January 2020 20: 09 New
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                        Medium and long-wave infrared radiation comes from the object itself (heated above air temperature) and does not require illumination.

                        In addition, modern BOPs fly at hypersonic speeds (over 1,5 km / s) and generate plasma in their warhead with a temperature of several thousand degrees. The tail part of the RPG is heated to several hundred degrees from the rocket accelerator. ATGM flash torch marching solid rocket engine.
                      4. nduchvve 29 January 2020 20: 12 New
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                        Quote: Operator
                        Medium and long-wave infrared radiation comes from the object itself (heated above air temperature) and does not require illumination.

                        If there is enough power to break through the smoke, then there is no problem, real-time optical recognition will help.
                        Nevertheless, for some reason, a radar was created for the system.
                      5. Operator 29 January 2020 20: 15 New
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                        The optoelectronic stereoscopic system for detecting attacking ammunition requires a high processing power of the computer, which has become relatively affordable in terms of cost and dimensions only recently.
        2. Crimean partisan 1974 29 January 2020 22: 42 New
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          which is quite feasible for infrared sensors in the conditions of smoke on the battlefield .... well, if a double shot, or combined with small arms ???? how will KAZ react?
          1. Operator 29 January 2020 22: 55 New
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            In response to a twin shot from an ATGM or an RPG, KAZ will fire a pair of counter-ammunition alone.

            KAZ will not notice a shot from small arms due to the small size of the bullet.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974 29 January 2020 23: 13 New
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              In response to a twin shot from an ATGM or RPG, KAZ will fire a pair of counter-ammunition, that's all ........ and are you crazy ??? if the heat exposure in the IR range and the expansion of metal and dust particles create a blockade in the entire range ( except for x-rays and gamma radiation, although with uranium cores and armor this might be), how will KAZ respond to the second breakthrough of PTRS or PG ???? well, solve the problem
              1. Operator 29 January 2020 23: 25 New
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                Partizan, you probably just recently went down with Ai-Petri, because you don’t know that in Russia it’s customary to poke, not poke laughing

                KAZ counter-ammunition is fired not at the attacking ammunition, but at the calculated meeting point, determined on the basis of the speed and direction of flight of the latter. For example: the detection distance of the attacking ammunition is 200 meters, and the distance of its destruction is 20 meters. In other words, at the last 200 meters KAZ no longer follows the attacking ammunition.
              2. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 08: 23 New
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                recently came down with Ai-Petri, ........ waxed a steppe, it is more appropriate to ask "out of the reeds", but oh well, particulars, this has no relation to the topic
                the detection distance of the attacking ammunition is 200 meters ..... as you know, the maximum reaction of all KAZs for less than 0.2 seconds does not exist, so the approaching ATGM or PG ammunition 200 meters will take half a second which fits into the interception scope, but I wonder why KAZ will track the second approaching if the sensors and the UHF are blinded? But by no means, now we complicate the task, the flight speed of the sub-caliber is averaged 1200 m per second, that is, 200 m will pass in 0.06 s, that is, the KAZ reaction is simply not enough, a combined attack is assumed The PTRS of 14.5 mm and RPG reduces the KAZ to nothing at all, I’m not going to sag about the approach of the OF-36, 23 kg at a distance of 20 m will blow away from the tank everything that is on it, making it if not destroyed then out of order, definitely, in this way KAZ is made for a one-time reflection of a one-time attack, is it not expensive ???
              3. Operator 30 January 2020 13: 17 New
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                I do not understand - how a 14,5-mm PTR will penetrate a modern tank? laughing

                For Trophy and Iron Fest, the reaction time includes the cost of turning the launcher to the azimuth of the approaching attack ammunition, and for the KAZ Arena and Drozd, the launcher is stationary and the ammunition itself is already in the air, which makes it possible to estimate their reaction time in 0,1 seconds.

                The flight speeds of modern BOPS near the target when firing at a test distance of 2 km are measured from 1450 m / s (the latest model of the American 120 mm projectile) to 1600 m / s (the latest model of the Russian 125 mm projectile). They will fly the distance from the detection line of 200 meters to the line of defeat of 20 meters in 0,12 and 0,11 seconds, respectively.

                No one claims that the tank (its attachments) is not vulnerable to 152/155 mm HE shells - it just means that with the help of KAZ it is possible to make the most massive and cheap anti-tank weapons useless: RPGs, ATGMs and (in perspective) BOPS.
              4. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 13: 39 New
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                I do not understand - how a 14,5-mm PTR will penetrate a modern tank? ........ very simple, practical evidence is an attack on the Abra from above in the Browning tower, the tank burned down, and even so the niches of the Abra and Leo -2 towers have a reservation of as much as 30mm, a convenient target, and what’s worth lupato by half a meter sights ..... glade for shelling, in the Donbass even easier, the aft tower auxiliary power unit T-64 does not have a reservation; the result is roasting, the aft body T-64, just like the Abra and Leo-2, has absolutely no protection, the result is clear ,. a hit of 14.5 mm between the 3rd and 4th rink in the T-64 leads to an unforgettable firework, sometimes with a detachment of the tower
                their reaction time is 0,1 seconds ...... you yourself believe it at least ??? maybe you should buy a plug so that you can remove noodles from your ears, in MANPADS that have the most advanced systems for the rate of release of spurious waves and at least 0.15 , and this is speed in motion, and you charge 0.1 here, be afraid of God
                not vulnerable to 152/155 mm HE shells ... about 152 and others I didn’t mention, it was about the standard OF-36 to 125 mm, an unfortunate example of you
                your counterarguments are bankrupt
              5. Operator 30 January 2020 13: 42 New
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                Partizan, early on you went down with Ai-Petri laughing
              6. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 13: 58 New
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                along the way, you went down early from Ai-Petri .... once again, for those Ktolyuks, I brewed, I’m a steppe, it would be more appropriate if I “got out of the reeds”, nevertheless. as I understand it, your counterarguments have ended ... or is there still an ace hidden in your sleeve?
              7. Operator 30 January 2020 14: 51 New
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                You have thick reeds in the Crimea, however laughing

                "Themselves, only themselves" (C)
              8. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 15: 00 New
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                You have thick reeds in the Crimea, however ........ that is what it is, not only Sevastopol and Yalta, how warm it up, well, its this Crimea, I’ll go to Yalta, but there are a lot of other interesting things
                in short, let's get back to our rams and not go over to particulars, for example, where does the information about 0.1 rate of reaction of tank KAZ come from?
              9. Operator 30 January 2020 15: 01 New
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                Come onthose

                0,1 s - expert assessment.
              10. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 15: 11 New
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                0,1 s - peer review .... let me ask you a question, and who gave this peer review? for example, the manufacturer gave Verba an IR-GOS-MANPADS MANPADS it was 0.15 seconds per parasitic wave discharge rate, and the IR range is easier to process, since it goes in one direction, and the tank KAZ needs to “lighten” the target and then accept process and give out the reflected signal, so don’t put a shadow on the fence, who is this KAZ expert who gave 0.1 as an expert assessment of KAZ?
              11. Operator 30 January 2020 15: 16 New
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                My expert opinion - see above.

                The fact is that KAZ radar is required to first radiate a probing radio signal, and then to receive a reflected radio signal - in contrast to the KAZ optoelectronic system, which receives only a direct IR signal from objects heated above ambient temperature.
              12. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 15: 36 New
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                unlike the KAZ optoelectronic system .... nuuuuus, then you, as an expert, give an assessment of the detection through the IR channel ??? wonderful, but here's a surprise, or rather a bummer. IR detector systems have significant limitations. that is, refrigerated or matrix cooled. the operating time of the cooled detectors of infrared systems has a resource while there is limited refrigerant,, matrices are one-time systems and very expensive, the applied matrix infrared systems live longer at short distances, and even then due to filters that exorbitantly eat energy, so which system will be discussed next ?
              13. Operator 30 January 2020 15: 43 New
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                Currently, the market offers a lot of uncooled thermal imagers operating in the mid-wave infrared range.
              14. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 15: 56 New
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                At the moment, there are a lot of uncooled thermal imagers on the market .... wow news, .... I dare to disappoint, .. the thermal imagers provided on the market are essentially reflective systems on the basis of the headlight receiver, and matrix IR receivers sin "omnivorous" IR detections, they need an extremely accurate IR range for which the filter expends energy, a very expensive toy, the cost of an RPG shot is about 200 green keys, and the matrix detector IR is about 50, probably underestimated many times, so voila.
              15. Operator 30 January 2020 16: 00 New
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                Too lazy to delve into the Internet - from memory the cost of a mid-wave passive thermal imager with a resolution of 600x800 pixels is 25 thousand bucks.

                Optical filters have long been replaced by computer processing of received infrared radiation.
              16. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 16: 05 New
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                from memory, the cost of a medium-wave passive thermal imager with a resolution of 600x800 pixels is 25 thousand bucks ...... and how were you going to detect and calculate moving parts on this device? therefore, while you are doing this, then not one GHG will fly to you but several, well, so, as with KAZ?
              17. Operator 30 January 2020 16: 29 New
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                Company secret: “First money, then chairs” (C) laughing
              18. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 16: 45 New
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                Company's secret: . laudable, all the more the Horns and Hooves fmr, with the support of the Sword and Shouting Corporation, is a heavy conglomeration, nevertheless asking your first-born (T-72B3 mechvod) the question - “what would you prefer in combat, military security or short-circuit? ", the answer was an unequivocal" combat guard ", so KAZ is a cheap toy and no more, see you in the bosom of VO
  • sgapich 29 January 2020 12: 56 New
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    Photo, apparently, from this video from the official Elbit System channel:
    https://youtu.be/Oz6epbSFuoU
    at 0:30 a subtitle appears with the text: "IF-LC intercepts RPG at close range."
  • prodi 29 January 2020 16: 13 New
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    hard to believe, it is a pity that they did not indicate the distance of the shot, with which they intercepted. Although, the next step is probably obvious: increasing the speed of BOPS
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 29 January 2020 17: 48 New
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      Although, the next step is probably obvious: increasing the speed of the BOPS ........ let’s start to show which KAZ intercepts the good-old OF-36, whose speed at the cut of the trunk is about 900 m per second and a weighty set of explosives substances and metals 23 kg ...... I would like to see, in any case, 24 kg of 122 mm OF IS-2 practically turned the Tiger into nothing, just like bunkers and so on and so forth, it is weak to provide us to intercept OF-36 ??? ????
      1. prodi 29 January 2020 18: 13 New
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        here it’s still interesting whether he can distinguish a regular 30mm shell from a full-fledged BOPS
        1. Crimean partisan 1974 29 January 2020 22: 09 New
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          Western tanks, as a rule, die from small arms in the auxiliary power unit, the u-tank damask and the stronghold also sin this, the APU (auxiliary) is not armored with anything. and is the Achilles heel of all western MBTs, exactly like the T-64
  • nduchvve 29 January 2020 16: 51 New
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    At the same time, Elbit Systems recognized that by “teaching” KAZ Iron Fist to intercept sub-caliber shells, they significantly increased the tank’s visibility - a working new radar of the complex with a power of 200 watts can be detected by electronic intelligence systems at ranges up to 500 kilometers.

    - If I understand everything correctly, then the need to intercept the BOPS flying into the tank already indicates the discovery of the tank; probably just because of the working KAZ. There is a dilemma: either hide unprotected - or hope for a successful defense in open battle.

    Either live hoping for a door lock in an area without crime - or live hoping for an armored door, bars on windows, a high fence with barbed wire and an alarm in the criminal area itself.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 29 January 2020 22: 18 New
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      in the criminal area itself ....... in the criminal area itself the gang wins (combat guard) and the tank is the club which indicates this combat guard should be beaten much more specifically, and the door lock in the area without crime is already a thermonuclear opening, then not other reality, sorry Japs do not remember this, but it was hot
  • Victor March 47 30 January 2020 01: 57 New
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    The second starts with some delay .... not in an RPG with a snag with a delay. the shot is fired by a doublet, the blender has a higher speed, according to this it comes to the first target ...... you yourself actually fired from a grenade launcher ????

    Well, yes, of course, your amendments change everything radically. Not with a delay, but with a greater speed. But, if I were the designer of this iron, I would only do as I say. Because different speeds at different ranges give different times of approach, which is not always good. And at extremes, this can lead to crap. The delay for one time will always be the same, at any range. What stabilizes performance.

    I did not shoot from a grenade launcher. Never. But for a quarter century I have been developing things for which I am not ashamed for even a second.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974 30 January 2020 14: 41 New
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      But for a quarter of a century, I have been developing things for which I am not ashamed .... I do not detract from your design abilities. but what you are saying, “delayed shots” is stupid of you, because after the first shot the brand hosh doesn’t leave the line of sight, on the attack would have to aim again, that’s a dope the price will happen, according to this shot with similar systems always doublet, speed difference is the key to the advantages of this device