Experts comment on the words of Kravchuk about the alleged meeting of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Lviv


The network is discussing the statement of the first president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk, which he made on the air of the TV "Russia 1" in the program "60 minutes". Kravchuk's statement was more than resonant. According to him, before the start of World War II, "Hitler and Stalin met in Lviv."


Leonid Kravchuk announced that this is supposedly a document, "which is not a secret."

From a statement by Mr. Kravchuk:

Instead of stopping Hitler, his hands were then untied. And then it turned against the USSR, the peoples of our country suffered.

With such statements, Kravchuk tried to explain the words of the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky, who blamed Hitler Germany and the USSR for the outbreak of World War II. Zelensky made his statement in Poland at events in memory of the release of the prisoners of Auschwitz.

I wonder how in general Kravchuk imagines a “meeting” of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Polish Lviv? According to the logic of Mr. Kravchuk, it turns out that Poland itself had organized a meeting for the then leaders of Germany and the USSR, during which they allegedly discussed the "plan of attack on Poland." Absurd absurdity.

Experts, commenting on the statements of the first president of Ukraine, called Kravchuk a man with a lack of elementary logic:

If what Kravchuk says would take place in stories, then we must admit that the organizer of that “meeting” was Poland itself, since Lviv was Polish.

Meanwhile, the network offered to award Kravchuk with the “Shnobel Prize” in the “Cranberry of the Year” nomination for an absurd interpretation of the events of the first half of the 20th century.
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  1. New Year day 29 January 2020 07: 25 New
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    Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself! In power - he lied, retired - he continues to lie. Incorrigible, sv.lo-that! Absenteeism is already being put to the cemetery, but he will not calm down.
    1. Hunter 2 29 January 2020 07: 32 New
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      Completely out of my mind fool When we stop listening to this freak, they were already waiting for him in Hell am
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        1. Tuzik 29 January 2020 10: 25 New
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          Quote: Olis
          https://svpressa.ru/post/article/234877/


          Hmm, somehow unrealistic even if these letters were. They write: “I studied in detail the journal of visits to Stalin’s office and found out that the 17th and 18th leaders received a large number of visitors, but the 19th did not.
          From Moscow to Lviv 1400 km. On the train, the day was not really manageable. He did not fly airplanes, they themselves insist on the train. Conclusion: there was no meeting.
          1. Olis 29 January 2020 10: 38 New
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            So after all, in the article I cited, it is analyzed whether such a meeting could have happened or not.
            Everyone can make a conclusion.
            Moreover, the facts indicate that meeting of Stalin and Hitler still get ready.
            It’s not clear why my post was mined with a link to the article. It is probably easier for some miners to think
            This is Kravchuk crazy, insanity grows stronger and so on than will delve into the study of this topic yourself
            1. Tuzik 29 January 2020 10: 45 New
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              There, below, Grandfather-Crimea wrote: "The squirrel constantly visited Poroshenko, Shiz Kravchuk, and the insanity of those who will seriously analyze this nonsense"
              So senility we are with you. Smile)
              1. major147 29 January 2020 16: 53 New
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                Quote: Tuzik
                Shiz Kravchuk,

                will tell soon ...
            2. New Year day 29 January 2020 11: 02 New
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              Quote: Olis
              This is Kravchuk crazy ..

              "Once lied, who will believe you"
              And Kravchuk always lied. Here is his appeal

              and after the election: the seizure of KChF ships, coercion to the Ukrainian oath, the Ukrainization of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, etc., etc.
              so the "source" is not credible in principle.
              1. Lexus 29 January 2020 15: 41 New
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                Sylvester hi
                Wrong experts Kravchuk now comment. It’s time for him to forever experts in forensic psychiatry with his stories. request
            3. Serwid 29 January 2020 12: 47 New
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              Everyone sees what he wants to see. For example, that Kravchuk is right.
              1. New Year day 29 January 2020 13: 16 New
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                Quote: Serwid
                For example, that Kravchuk is right.

                from which hangover? laughing
                1. Serwid 29 January 2020 13: 31 New
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                  I’m not for you, but Olisu answered.
            4. Sanichsan 29 January 2020 15: 25 New
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              Quote: Olis
              It’s not clear why my post was mined with a link to the article. It is probably easier for some miners to think

              Well, why it is not clear that people are negative about stuffing. so clear?
              do you know the story of the Sisson documents? from this story it’s not that it smells, but it directly stinks all the same. and authoritative sources like the "familiar Rodzinsky railwayman" are generally extravaganza!
            5. Simargl 29 January 2020 18: 22 New
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              Quote: Olis
              the article cited by me and analyzes whether such a meeting could occur or not
              2800 km round-trip, this is a day at a speed of more than 100 km / h. Yes, there were such steam locomotives, but the roads were at a maximum permissible speed of 60 km / h or less.

              Quote: Olis
              it is easier for some miners to think
              This is Kravchuk crazy, insanity grows stronger and so on
              It you think so. In fact, he oppresses the line of Russophobia, anti-Stalinists and anti-Soviet. Marasmus and illnesses of the mind do not smell - it’s just rubbish.
            6. Okolotochny 29 January 2020 22: 38 New
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              You are careful .... with a recess. Go deeper into it and find yourself in the sixth chamber.
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          3. Magog 29 January 2020 10: 50 New
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            Too trusting a "visit log" is also naive. What do you think? Having launched the mechanism of world war in Europe, it is unlikely that Stalin would have leaked information about a meeting with Hitler. The speed of the train and 1400 km is a weak argument. Although I, too, was not convinced that such a meeting was - most importantly, why?
            1. Tuzik 29 January 2020 11: 00 New
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              Another senile? )
              For me, 1400 km, plus back 1400 km, plus a meeting (there was not just hello there should have been) per day! fully convinced of the absence of a meeting. And each of course, for himself, must decide for himself the head is.
              Very, very unlikely that the visit log would be distorted.
              1. Magog 29 January 2020 11: 03 New
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                In the first place, I put confidence in the "visit log", and with my head, I hope everything is fine with me so far.
                1. Tuzik 29 January 2020 11: 12 New
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                  The article we are discussing has full confidence in this journal. In doubt, just the letters of Stalin:
                  "In his book, The Pact That Changed the Course of History, its author Vladimir Najafov, who studied this issue in detail, carefully and with reservations writes that this meeting was apparently preceded by correspondence."
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                  3. Magog 29 January 2020 11: 33 New
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                    This is a more substantial argument. The author’s words are cautious before quoting “letters”: “In his book, The Pact That Changed the Course of History, its author Vladimir Nadzhafov, who studied this issue in detail, carefully and with reservations writes that this meeting was apparently preceded by correspondence” . (Similarly, once in the program on “Star” they “proved” that there was no substitution of Peter the Great, because two letters were found: one was written before 1698, and the other after. An examination showed that both letters were written in the same and the same Peter. The version of the substitution of this letter was not considered ...) Did Stalin really work so rudely? "Stalin is a naive and gullible guy!" - this is the official banal point of view of our historical propaganda. Who is wrong with his head?
                  4. Magog 29 January 2020 11: 39 New
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                    "apparently" - you yourself quote it. Where is the confidence in the authenticity of these letters?
                    1. Tuzik 29 January 2020 11: 45 New
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                      I originally wrote: "... even if these letters were ...")
                      1. Magog 29 January 2020 11: 47 New
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                        We do not get a synchronous dialogue. As I write, you are already posting the same thing ...
                      2. Tuzik 29 January 2020 11: 51 New
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                        The main thing is that they came to one denominator)
                      3. Magog 29 January 2020 12: 30 New
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                        This is still the same "denominator", but about the "numerator" for now the question! )
          4. Machito 29 January 2020 11: 28 New
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            The main evidence of the absence of a meeting between Stalin and Hitler is not the participation of the Red Army in the battle for England on the side of the Reich. If the USSR stood on the side of Germany against the arrogant Saxons and from Britain would have remained horns and legs. Alternative specialists wrote hundreds of books on the topic of Soviet tanks crossing the English Channel and two hundred Soviet submarines, tens of thousands of aircraft bombing London.
            Kravchuk - Pestun laughing hi
            1. Tuzik 29 January 2020 11: 54 New
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              It would be interesting to read the documents about the negotiations of Molotov in Berlin in the autumn of the 40th. As I understand it, they are still classified.
              1. Magog 29 January 2020 12: 11 New
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                As I understand it, the Barbarossa plan began to be urgently developed in the summer of 1940. Due to the threat posed to the Reich by the USSR, Hitler gave an order to urgently end the campaign against France, conclude peace with it and prepare a war against the Soviet Union. What could be interesting in the negotiations with Molotov in Berlin in the autumn of 1940?
                1. Tuzik 29 January 2020 12: 14 New
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                  But Hitler approved that in December. It seems to me, according to the logic of events, that somewhere there ours came to him
                  1. Magog 29 January 2020 12: 17 New
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                    The order to develop such a war plan is in the summer. Approval - at the end of the year. A plan of war is not done in two days ...
                  2. Magog 29 January 2020 12: 56 New
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                    "The reunification of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina with the USSR (also the Bessarabian operation, the Bessarabian campaign, the Prut campaign of 1940, the annexation of Northern Bukovina to the USSR and the Bessarabian campaign) - the inclusion of Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertz region in the USSR in 1940. The Soviet side planned a military invasion to Romania, but a few hours before the start of the operation, King Carol II of Romania accepted the ultimatum note from the Soviet side and handed it over to Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina of the USSR. The operation to occupy the territory by Soviet troops lasted 6 days. " (June 29, 1940) There are several tens of kilometers to the Ploiesti oil fields.
                  3. Magog 29 January 2020 13: 00 New
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                    Molotov went to Berlin to reassure Hitler that there was no threat to the Reich in the annexation of Bukovina. By this time, intelligence had already put the main points of the Barbarossa plan under development on Stalin’s table ...
                  4. Tuzik 30 January 2020 00: 37 New
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                    I can’t believe what I put. By the fact that I read, for example, our 3rd Goth tank group did not immediately notice, which galloped along the junction of two fronts to Minsk
                  5. Magog 30 January 2020 10: 45 New
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                    After the campaign in France, most of Hitler’s armored vehicles were put to scheduled repairs. The engine life of tanks is not endless. By the summer of 41, the GRU monitored the situation with the transfer of enemy motorized divisions individually. The reason for the defeat of the Red Army is multifaceted. Main: miscalculation of the General Staff in terms of the Germans' readiness to attack. Expected concentration of invasion troops at the level of 80% of all Wehrmacht forces - in fact it turned out to be about 60-65%. The Red Army was supposed to start first (Operation Thunder / Thunder). The second reason: our troops were not preparing for strategic defense, the task was to "cover the borders" to create conditions for the full deployment of all forces according to the plan of the war. The third reason: on the eve of Hitler's invasion, the troops received the order "... to not give in to provocations, not to open fire, not to engage in battle - to negotiate with the enemy ..." (signatures: Stalin, Zhukov, Vasilevsky. I saw a sample order form in the museum WWII on Poklonnaya Hill). The fourth reason: the almost complete lack of communication with the troops of the border districts, the impossibility of any army control.
                  6. Lekz 30 January 2020 22: 09 New
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                    Once again, it was not worth retelling these fables about the preemptive strike and the absence of orders to increase BG. To increase erudition, you should read:
                    - Order to the troops of PribOVO No. 0052 ov / ss June 15, 1941 "Contents. To ensure the combat readiness of the district troops ..."
                    - Order to the troops of PribOVO No. 00229ov / ss on June 18, 1941. "With the aim of quickly putting the theater of operations of the district into combat readiness I ORDER: .."
                    - answers to the Questions of the Military Scientific Directorate of the General Staff
                    Armed Forces of the USSR: ... 3. When was an order received from the headquarters of the army of the district headquarters on putting the army troops on alert in connection with the expected attack of Nazi Germany in the morning of 22.6?
                    When you have a question, why then in the ZAPOVO ... read the protocols of Pavlov’s interrogation.
                  7. Magog 30 January 2020 23: 16 New
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                    Of yours, I have long published a book: "The Lost Chance of Stalin," by the doctor of historical sciences Meltiukhov M.I. Also read at your leisure, if there is nothing more to show here ...
                  8. Lekz 31 January 2020 00: 40 New
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                    Did you fail to read the documents indicated by me? Decided to recall a book already read? So there were many of them, and such and others? And with doctors, with and without candidates. But it’s better to read documents and listen to eyewitnesses than to read conjunctural fabulists.
                  9. Magog 31 January 2020 01: 50 New
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                    Your "fabulist fisherman" (How are you about your own! Wolves!) Provides a lot of links to documents that you, if desired, will be uploaded to the Second Coming! In addition, I personally have a strong witness to the events of the beginning of the Second World War - my father, who participated in this war from the first to the last day (drafted in 1939, four wounds, the Order of Glory, World War II and came from the war alive ...) So lucky for him and me!
                  10. Lekz 31 January 2020 02: 52 New
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                    Why did you decide that "your" nonsense is not written? Links, of course, are good, but documents must also be read. By the way, about their abundance of the period on the eve of the attack, you are very mistaken, there is just a gap. Here in PribOVO documents were preserved, but in other districts there weren’t, it seems they weren’t preserved - the surroundings and all that. But you still make the effort to read the orders. Cleans the brain. Your grandfather is a hero, no doubt, but this does not make him a commander who knows the tasks of armies and corps. Your grandfather, like mine, had a simpler task, I saw the enemy - shoot, and in the framework of which strategic operation he killed the enemy, he did not care.
                  11. Magog 31 January 2020 03: 18 New
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                    Everything is fine with my brains - clean as a little glass! I have been in this topic for forty years with a hook! And not "grandfather", but father. He didn’t say much to me (about the war) - everything complained about the betrayal of someone higher. Our soldiers in 41 all thought so ... And just before death. in a few days, he admitted to me in many ways unsaid ... So, "pound the brains" to someone simpler than me!
                  12. Lekz 31 January 2020 04: 08 New
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                    Powder Brains I have no desire. I urge you to read the documents. And if it says "I order: 1. By the end of June 19, 1941, the chief of the air defense zone should be fully prepared for the whole air defense of the district ...", then this is not for your brains, but for the actions of parts of the district. And even if Meltiukhov and Co., believe that this is not enough, and Stalin should order, then these are problems not of history, but of its understanding by these fabulists.
                    Actually, our dialogue "to read documents or to trust father" does not make sense. Faith is a religious category, but here the mind is powerless.
                  13. Tuzik 31 January 2020 18: 55 New
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                    We are already far from the topic. I’ll say to the end here that I once read both Meltiukhov and his opponent Martirosyan: "The tragedy of June 22: Blitzkrieg or Treason?" where he cites many documents that Lekz speaks of, trying to prove the guilt of the generals in that defeat. There are a lot of different versions.
  • Doctor 29 January 2020 16: 13 New
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    It would be interesting to read the documents about the negotiations of Molotov in Berlin in the autumn of the 40th. As I understand it, they are still classified.


    Not at all. Everything has long been open.
    http://dvp.sssr.su

    Tom XXXlll. Book 2.
    Start with the instructions before the trip, page 30, document 491. Further in Berlin, a conversation with Ribbentrop, doc. 497.
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      Oh, thank you very much! And for specific pages, too. I read, then unsubscribe here.
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      Thanks for the link. I read it with interest, but did not see anything special. Nowhere is it said about the meeting of Stalin with Hitler. It’s a little embarrassing that the site address is registered to a private person. I would be grateful for a link where you can see documents on Hitler’s negotiations with Chamberlain and Daladier in 1938. On the agreements of Poland with Germany on the partition of Czechoslovakia. I would also read with interest about the negotiations of Rudolf Hess in March 1941 with the British.
      1. Magog 30 January 2020 23: 37 New
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        About the "Hess negotiations" ?! It is unlikely that you will find anything - this secret of the Anglo-Saxons will never be revealed. Not that Hess was isolated in prison (West Berlin) until his death in order to tell the public the reasons for his flight to Britain! And the fact that supposedly declassified raises doubts among our "knights of historical truth" ... Turn on the logic, as recommended to me, and much will be clarified.
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      Yes, there is what I assumed: "He, Hitler, offers the Soviet Union to participate as the fourth partner in this pact" and "Those issues that
      The Soviet Union has in relation to Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey,
      can't be solved here in 10 minutes "
  • Magog 29 January 2020 11: 55 New
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    Have you seen the computer game "Battle for England"? It was released in the bowels of Microsoft (the quarter of computer games). So there it was quite seriously considered the scenario of the possibility for playing using Soviet aircraft of WWII times on the side of the Reich ...
    1. cabbage 30 January 2020 22: 30 New
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      And then there's the cool Hollywood movie Red Dawn. There, in all seriousness, the Soviet Army invades the United States. I advise you to look. That was in 1989. Do you remember?
      1. Magog 30 January 2020 23: 56 New
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        How in Hollywood FILM "in all seriousness"? A film is always a fiction of a director. Our films also seriously “stormed the Winter Palace”, “28 Panfilovites” stopped a massive tank breakthrough, etc. A game is a little different. Here, the player, under the guise of historical authenticity, is invited to take part in the defense of the skies of Britain, including from raids by "bad Russians." Gamers of books, as a rule, do not read and easily get used to this scenario of the game. We are used, for example, to the so-called. "Tatar-Mongol yoke in Russia" through textbooks, cartoons, tales, "epics" and computer games ... Nobody really thinks. So it works there.
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          “The game is a little different. Here, the player under the guise of historical authenticity is invited to take part in defending the skies of Britain, including from raids by the“ bad Russians. ”Gamers usually don’t read books and easily get used to this scenario of the game. We’ve got used to it .. "
          It seems that you really do not read books and are already used to repelling "bad Russian raids" under the guise of historical certainty. Live in your dream world.
  • zloybond 29 January 2020 21: 38 New
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    How unrealistic that is. fool Kravchuk personally transcribed the conversation that day. wassat He then still secretary tied up to earn money .... negative Well, somewhere in ... jo ... dug up the memories of that meeting. drinks
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      I love comments with humor, but you didn’t succeed. There is much more fun below, especially the rhyme)
  • Fitter65 29 January 2020 13: 58 New
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    Quote: Olis
    Case in Lviv: Did Stalin and Hitler Really Meet Before the War
    What is not mentioned in the published secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

    article about the link
    https://svpressa.ru/post/article/234877/

    Quote: Olis
    facts show that the meeting between Stalin and Hitler is still getting ready.

    There are no facts as such, there are nothing but unsubstantiated assumptions based both on simply ignorance of real facts and their deliberate distortion by historians specialized in this field.
    Well, judging by the above quoted and such comments
    Quote: Magog
    What do you think? Having launched the mechanism of world war in Europe, it is unlikely that Stalin would have leaked information about a meeting with Hitler.
    , there is a suspicion that not from everyone, after the New Year holidays, Squirrel left.
    ... the very case in Lviv, which is mentioned, in particular, in the book of Edward Radzinsky about Stalin. So, the writer and playwright refers in his story to the story of a friend of the railway veteran, who recalled that on the eve of the rendezvous at the station, they had a real sweep - they even evicted all local residents from the houses near the station. Then, however, everyone was allowed back to their homes.
    Radzinsky as a "historian", to be honest, not really ... I’d like to clarify that Hitler also traveled by train through Poland, which had just been defeated, by rail? And given that he, Radzinsky, refers to the story of a certain familiar railwayman! .. I am just delighted with such evidence !!! Yes, those who claim that Auschwitz (Auschwitz) was liberated by Ukrainians from Lviv and they have more reason to say so. 100th Lviv Rifle Division, 60th Army, 1 Ukrainian Front, which first went to the outskirts of Auschwitz. Indeed, with this approach, the novel “Requiem PQ-17 Caravan” by Valentin Pikul can generally be considered a historical document, especially since almost at that time he served in the Northern Fleet (practically = Radzinsky railwayman)
    By the way, didn’t you try to follow the links to the outgoing numbers given in this article? What is highlighted? In what archive are these letters (or copies thereof) of their registration number, category? And by the way, if the outgoing number of the message is indicated in the correspondence, then why is there no number of the incoming message from the German side, well, or what was the outgoing message from the German side? By the way, on request about the "author Vladimir Nadzhafov" for some reason no autobiographical data is displayed. There is more information about the actor Vladimir Nadzhafov.
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      After the attack on Poland, the world war ended, the most sober are you ours? I paid attention to the "outgoing numbers" of the documents. "Probably in the office of the MUR-a and not such certificates concoct." In other words, to understand the “games” of historical offices on both sides is a futile and dead-end occupation: while you blinked, the “historian-magician” had already managed to prepare another lie! For this, power pays them money.
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    Case in Lviv: Did Stalin and Hitler Really Meet Before the War


    The transcripts of the negotiations between Hitler and Molotov in November 1940 have long been opened. In one of the conversations, Hitler regrets that he still has not met with Stalin and expresses his hope for a meeting.
    Published in official publications of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
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  • bessmertniy 29 January 2020 07: 33 New
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    On this occasion, I can only offer my encore yesterday's comment: "Winter. Insanity grows stronger!"
    1. figwam 29 January 2020 09: 53 New
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      Yes, it’s him, senile senility knocked on the head of the former president.
      1. knn54 29 January 2020 10: 37 New
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        Kravchuk should read NEXT AVAILABLE Goebbels diary, which says that he participated in evening meetings with Hitler in Berlin on October 16 and 17, 1939 ...
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      On this occasion, I can only offer my encore yesterday's comment: "Winter. Insanity grows stronger!"

      Yes, rather, an unexpected warming caused an exacerbation ...
  • K-612-O 29 January 2020 07: 39 New
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    What about this? Such a normal communist, all his life clandestinely fighting for non-sluggishness. In 91, at the speed of light, who became a nationalist, the first began to officially support Bandera and crush the Russian language. What else from this mores worthless to take.
    1. Range 29 January 2020 07: 46 New
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      And what do you want, this trend spreads by the West and throughout the West. So Kravchuk, this is a small screw in the mechanism of Russophobia in the Western world.
      1. Pessimist22 29 January 2020 07: 49 New
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        Yes, he just reads the censor smile
        1. Boris Nevzorov 29 January 2020 09: 16 New
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          ... It is a pity that Kravchuk did not tell the whole truth!
          Then in Lviv met Stalin, Hitler and Kravchuk! laughing
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            Quote: Boris Nevzorov
            Then in Lviv met Stalin, Hitler and Kravchuk!

            ========
            Nah! Little Kravchuk - personally brought "bread and salt" to Hitler !!! laughing wassat And now “I remembered my childhood” .... or “fell into” (“childhood”) ... lol
      2. K-612-O 29 January 2020 08: 02 New
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        Yeah, only since the year 91 has he become so drowning them. Completely forgetting how this fictitious country began.
        1. hydrox 29 January 2020 08: 23 New
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          This "respected" member of the Politburo in his insanity can only give out what filled his head 30-40 years ago, and that was THE MOST that Ukraine lives today!
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      Quote: K-612-O
      In 91, at the speed of light, who became a nationalist, the first began to officially support Bandera and crush the Russian language.

      But he began his journey into the "Communists" as a member of the "Bandera war", why be surprised?
  • hydrox 29 January 2020 07: 59 New
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    The NEXT baseness and meanness of the manager from the clerk of the Ukrainian leadership is such a feeling that in Ukraine, in principle, he cannot come to power adequately, which the state of life of the people will care about against the backdrop of an increase in his WELFARE: but no, it doesn’t work.
    And this means that the Ukrainian leadership will NEVER have the opportunity to achieve sanity and resolve issues in the mutual interests of the Ukrainian, Russian and Russian people! yes
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      Quote: hydrox
      sanity and resolving issues in the mutual interests of the people of Ukrainian, Russian and Russian!

      What kind of solution can be discussed when there are people like this Kravchuk! On the contrary, they are doing everything to cross out the memory of the Ukrainian people, our brothers, and pit us. These inadequacies, such as Kravchuk and the like, are ready for anything for the sake of American and European finances. Solve problems? Yes, they put it on everything. It is not profitable for them! They will not be paid for this!
  • Uncle lee 29 January 2020 08: 19 New
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    Unrecoverable

    He was a young Bandera boy in his “hundred brave youths” in the OUN-UPA! Inveterate Natsik!
    1. Boris Nevzorov 29 January 2020 08: 57 New
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      Hitler and Bandera met in a Polish prison in 1939 after the German attack on Poland. As a result of this stormy meeting, Bandera gave birth to a son, whom he named Lenya, and so that no one would guess, Bandera wrote Lenya to the name "Kravchuk".
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    Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself!

    Yes, let it bresh, no one ever believed him.
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  • solzh 29 January 2020 10: 47 New
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    Lies + Kravchuk = how to put it mildly ... Rewrite history. Although there is nothing to be surprised, there are Ukrainians, there is only one here, they themselves do not consider themselves Eastern Slavs ...
  • Krasnoyarsk 29 January 2020 11: 00 New
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    Quote: Silvestr
    Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself! In power - he lied, retired - he continues to lie. Incorrigible, sv.lo-that! Absenteeism is already being put to the cemetery, but he will not calm down.

    Besides the fact that Kravchuk is a lie and a liar, he is also a dreamer. Once, on the Schuster program, he literally stated the following: - “When I was traveling by train to Leningrad, I saw unburied human bones along the road. This indicates the moral, ethical and spiritual qualities of the Russian people”
    So here, no less. And what then should be expected from this "mistake of nature"?
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    Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself!

    Kravchuk was at this meeting.
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      Did you lead the transcript?
  • NEXUS 29 January 2020 13: 29 New
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    Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself!

    And Stalin or Hitler did not meet with aliens in Lviv, no?
  • antivirus 29 January 2020 17: 19 New
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    another Bandera dog
  • Amateur 29 January 2020 07: 28 New
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    I wonder how in general Kravchuk imagines a “meeting” of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Polish Lviv?

    Comrade Kravchuk, by virtue of his age and advancing insanity, completely forgot that Lviv until 2MB was a Polish city, and before that, Austro-Hungarian Lemberg.
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      forgot that Lviv before 2MB was a Polish city

      when away insanity such trifles do not matter
      1. Boris Nevzorov 29 January 2020 08: 55 New
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        "They go to the left - they dig the sea To the right - they make the wall Among the marshes Bandera wanders And they eat tons of fat There on the Chernihiv roads He left his mark Moses And the pyramids of the Pharaohs Born in which Odysseus There Genghis Khan under the Kryvyi Rih Dropped his whole Horde There you can’t imagine and delirious "(c)
        1. vinschu 29 January 2020 10: 55 New
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          BRABISISMO!
    2. mikh-korsakov 29 January 2020 08: 13 New
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      "ANDI wonder how in general Kravchuk imagines a "meeting" of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Polish Lviv? ". How how. Is it really incomprehensible? in a safe house! At the same time, both shaved off their mustache.
      1. Boris Nevzorov 29 January 2020 08: 49 New
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        ... Well, with Kravchuk, everything is clear. Old age, senility. And marasmatics usually like to show off in public. That brings whatever comes to a sore head.
      2. mikh-korsakov 29 January 2020 10: 16 New
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        Both wearing black glasses. Stalin has the conspiratorial nickname Experienced, Hitler has the Bouncer. Diverged - one at a time. Ribentropp and Molotov checked for surveillance.
        1. Uncle lee 30 January 2020 13: 08 New
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          Bulychev has a story "Meeting of tyrants", science fiction .... Read!
  • novel66 29 January 2020 07: 32 New
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    even know how the meeting looked
    1. Hunter 2 29 January 2020 08: 30 New
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      Roma hi Do you remember the scene from 17 moments of spring (meeting in a cafe with my wife)? wink
      1. novel66 29 January 2020 08: 38 New
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        and identity too !! Do you think that was the way ?? Lesha! hi
        1. Hunter 2 29 January 2020 08: 45 New
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          Definitely! belay Since there are no protocols ... they sat - they were silent crying
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            even thumped a bit ???
            1. Hunter 2 29 January 2020 10: 17 New
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              Not ... The International was listening on the gramophone! wassat and Kravchuk was peeping! laughing
              1. novel66 29 January 2020 10: 47 New
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                dishonestly, it was necessary first "international", and then "Ich hatt 'einen Kameraden" so that no one is offended
  • rocket757 29 January 2020 07: 34 New
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    Lie more, lie always .... for the "knowing" you will marry.
    Empty little man. ALL!
    1. Major Yurik 29 January 2020 10: 35 New
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      Lie more, lie always .... for the "knowing" you will marry.
      Empty little man. ALL!

      In as Kpermu pinned, money must be cut! yes If they don’t dump the manejo, then ......
      1. rocket757 29 January 2020 11: 20 New
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        Okay, there will be a judge on him and higher. Let him.
  • Fantazer911 29 January 2020 07: 34 New
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    Interesting facts popped up by Mr. Kravchuk popped up, clearly found this fact, see age and dementia and insanity make themselves felt, my condolences to the history teacher taught by Mr. Kravchuk, if all Ukrainian authorities studied like that, then it’s clear why the country was destroyed and sold yourself!
    1. K-612-O 29 January 2020 08: 00 New
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      Such as Kravchuk, the whole USSR was destroyed, trampled and spat upon our history. Until 91, these were young promising communists, the future of the CPSU, Zyuganov, Shulevich, Gorbi, Ligachev, Gaidar, Kravchuk-the color of the CPSU of that time. Even then they were senile and conjuncturers.
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        Ligachev and with reservations Zyuganov should not be put on a par with other characters of this kind. Ligachev did not change his views. And Zyuganov until 1990 was a small party worker of the Central Committee, no one knew about him.
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          Only hesitated along with the course of the party. Like Lukyanov, Yanaev and all this camarilla have pro-country.
    2. tihonmarine 29 January 2020 09: 50 New
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      Quote: Fantazer911

      Interesting facts popped up by Mr. Kravchuk

      Well, he does not lie this Kravchuk (Stirlitz), he himself was personally present there and was a translator. And we say that he is lying.
  • orionvitt 29 January 2020 07: 35 New
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    Kravchuk was called a man with a lack of elementary logic:
    Judging by the statement of Kravchuk, this is not a matter of logic, but a matter of treatment by a psychiatrist. Bacilli of insanity continue to spread throughout Ukraine.
  • Livonetc 29 January 2020 07: 37 New
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    How not to believe ukr.
    It was they who dug the Black Sea.
    And no doubt it was dill that held the candle above the paradise apple tree, at the time of the birth of mankind.
    The root of nature, the support of mankind.
    It is necessary to pay tribute to them.
  • Aliken 29 January 2020 07: 39 New
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    Enough to give him a word, to revive the old cot.
  • Grandfather Crimea 29 January 2020 07: 43 New
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    Squirrel constantly visited Poroshenko, Shiz Kravchuk, and the insanity of those who will seriously analyze this nonsense)))))
  • Mountain shooter 29 January 2020 07: 44 New
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    What a country, such and presidents ... What are former, what are current ... Such a country was RIPPED! Although in their language they knew how to live !!!
  • Retvizan 8 29 January 2020 07: 44 New
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    Oh, Ukrainian experts and politicians, these are just generators of absurd ideas and statements!
  • tralmaster 29 January 2020 07: 44 New
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    It feels like when you look at a record that he is reading on a piece of paper. He never raised his eyes. I don’t think of shame. The Nazis already have the power completely, they just want to be in the shadows for now.
  • nikvic46 29 January 2020 07: 45 New
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    Such a person speaks on behalf of Ukraine. This country should receive its portion of truth.
    1. hydrox 29 January 2020 08: 11 New
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      The fact is that the population of this country is so zombified by Bandera (with the Petliurites and OUN) that there is a strong understanding that the population of this lack of country is more afraid of Bandera and SBUshnikov than hundreds of tons of explosives from “gifts” of 152 mm and FAB-250 caliber. .. fool
      They need such a truth!?
  • carstorm 11 29 January 2020 07: 47 New
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    I was always most worried about the question of this topic, only one-and who cares about what and how the Soviet Union agreed? each state has its own interests. did not stop Hitler. But we needed it most of all?) Why did not the Anglo-Saxons stop him?
  • sabakina 29 January 2020 07: 58 New
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    According to him, before the start of World War II, "Hitler and Stalin met in Lviv."

    Wait, soon he ..
    will tell what Father Barlaam was talking about with Grishka the impostor on the Lithuanian border ...
  • Topol M 29 January 2020 07: 58 New
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    In general, it’s time to cover up the 60-minute program, they’re carrying such crap, and they still invite old senile! Since the days of the Soviet Union, while serving in the SA, I realized that a Ukrainian would something out of the blue and would turn everything up to his advantage. They correctly say that when the Jews went to Calvary, the Ukrainians went down from there!
  • SeregaBoss 29 January 2020 08: 02 New
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    Kravchuk is over, for the whole head! Finished I tell you!
  • Andrey VOV 29 January 2020 08: 03 New
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    Old senile .... Lord, how the earth wears such .... and after all, the more abominable, the longer they live and no lyhomanka takes them
  • Barmaleyka 29 January 2020 08: 03 New
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    another month until spring, and in psychos the exacerbation began
  • aszzz888 29 January 2020 08: 09 New
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    I wonder how in general Kravchuk imagines a “meeting” of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Polish Lviv?

    TOTAL insanity !!! What the hell of these ... bad people, also comment! Moral ukroreihovsky sucks, multiplied by moronicity.
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    Meanwhile, the network offered to award Kravchuk with the “Shnobel Prize” in the “Cranberry of the Year” nomination for an absurd interpretation of the events of the first half of the 20th century.

    Such tricks for such an interpretation of history need to be put on the heels of years.
    Here I am wondering: as a member of the CPSU, this historian for what reason hid his "understanding" of historical events?
    What was silent? What did not allow to speak out in a voice?
    These statements are not funny, but criminal ... I’m not talking about the moral aspect.
  • Air force 29 January 2020 08: 15 New
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    Not worthy of attention, an abomination is that he knows what nonsense is. And he considers his people first of all animals that are ready to eat any nonsense, even the Overton window does not need to be opened. And the most disgusting thing is that many of his people really are popping any nonsense, they like this abomination, otherwise there would not be this madhouse that is happening in Ukraine. Now all these nonhumans have decided to take the lead, as the 75th anniversary of the Victory is nearing, and Putin promised to begin declassifying the archives. Ukraine and the Baltic mongrels begin to sing in unison, when the most ridiculous nonsense is poured out and the corrupt media are filled with nonsense, the European "heavyweights" ala, the "British scientists" various funds, and already CNN, BIS, Spiegels, etc. They will begin to publish data about alleged facts that exist but we won’t show you. I won’t be surprised if they say that Stalin and Hitler met in 1914 and decided after the First World War to “tear apart” the world for two. For the current generation, don’t tell me everything will be eaten. But all this rotten lie will destroy them, only it can make a deal with the "father of lies", hoping that the devil or as he is now called the "hegemon" will not deceive him. Russia now not only has truth, but also power, and these mongrels have neither one nor the other, and so they are furious.
  • Viktor Sergeev 29 January 2020 08: 17 New
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    Kravchuk is fabulous for .... (well, you understand).
    Hitler’s hands were untied: England and France concluded the Munich Agreement and Poland participated in the emergency section and did not allow the USSR to protect the emergency.
  • Ros 56 29 January 2020 08: 18 New
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    And this Bandera was also present there? Banderlogiya has already sunk below city sewers.
    1. Bossota 29 January 2020 08: 25 New
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      Kravchuk was told about this by the spirit of aliozych during the next seance. The source is 100% true.
  • Retvizan 8 29 January 2020 08: 20 New
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    Such is the psychology of any traitor, to throw mud at the state that you betrayed and present yourself, such as a "fighter against the regime"!
    He lived, lived for himself Lenya in the Soviet Union, enjoyed all his blessings, climbed the career ladder, praised the USSR and its rulers, agitated the people for Soviet power and only the wind blew from the other side, with ease the balancer was “changed his shoes in the air”!
    Lenya, but you are a scoundrel!
    1. cniza 29 January 2020 09: 24 New
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      At that age? Does he hope to live forever? sorry to waste time on him ...
  • Andrea 29 January 2020 08: 20 New
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    The main thing is to crow, and there at least do not dawn.
    It is high time for such cocks to be held accountable, for libel is at least.
  • Egoza 29 January 2020 08: 31 New
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    Well, if this is such a “well-known historical fact”, it was necessary to demand a date from him. Or where documents about this event are stored. And so .... dreams and dreams. Farion dreamed that Bandera was shaking her on her knees, Kravchuk had a meeting between Stalin and Hitler.
    1. cniza 29 January 2020 09: 22 New
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      What for ? His task is to launch a new jet and soon it will turn into a stream and so on ... a proven technology and it is clear who manages it.
  • ZaharoFF 29 January 2020 08: 33 New
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    Such statements can be commented only in epicrisis.
  • Boris Nevzorov 29 January 2020 08: 46 New
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    ... Given that Stalin, after becoming the leader of the country, he only went to Gagra (or Pitsunda) to his country house. I went to my mom a couple of times. with the outbreak of war - 2 times went to meet with other leaders of the United States and Britain. 1 time even abroad - Tehran. this is the only recorded trip abroad. Kravchuk speaks of a meeting with Hitler, which means it could only be at the time of the Germany-Poland war. otherwise the Polish press would quickly publish it. and the Polish government could not allow this. but during this period Hitler himself was far from these places. and Stalin - even more so. so the next nonsense of the Nazis
  • Cowbra 29 January 2020 08: 51 New
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    I just mourned my teachers yesterday:
  • Vasyan1971 29 January 2020 08: 54 New
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    before the Second World War, "Hitler and Stalin met in Lviv."

    And Joseph Vissarionovich commandant himself: "Vorwärts marsch!" at 4 o'clock on June 22.
    Che already ... For "the more monstrous the lie, the easier it is to believe in it." ©
    1. cniza 29 January 2020 09: 19 New
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      They concoct these and such a document, it’s scary to imagine how all events will be interpreted, in 50 years ...
      1. Vasyan1971 29 January 2020 09: 24 New
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        in 50 years ...

        Ha! It’s scary to imagine what they say in a week!
        1. cniza 29 January 2020 09: 26 New
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          Well, after a week, all the rubbish is easier to expose and clear the truth, but then ...
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            Yes. But such crap must be reacted in hot pursuit. To be discouraged. In 50 years it will be too late.
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              Now there are still living witnesses to all those events, but when they are gone, a piece of paper will come forward and begin ...
              1. Vasyan1971 29 January 2020 10: 39 New
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                Now there are still living witnesses to all those events.

                And if they are not really interfering with this whole bacchanalia now, then ....
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                  Yeah, then there will come a bacchanalia and whoever shouts louder ...
  • LVMI1980 29 January 2020 08: 55 New
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    This district (Kravchuk) will answer for the collapse of the union am negative
  • Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 09: 00 New
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    Embroidery to the brain, as it is.
  • Andrey Andrey 29 January 2020 09: 07 New
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    On September 19, Soviet troops approached the city and soon occupied its eastern part, the Polish side was asked to surrender the city. A few hours later, German troops attacked the west and south of the city, making fire contact with Soviet troops, but the Wehrmacht withdrew the troops. In accordance with the Secret Protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, on the night of September 21, 1939, Soviet troops replaced the German and began to prepare for the assault. However, the Polish command resumed negotiations, as a result of which on September 22, 1939 an agreement was signed "on the transfer of the city of Lviv to the troops of the Soviet Union." So Lviv was not Polish.
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      So Lviv was not Polish.

      And therefore, Stalin and Hitler immediately rushed to hang out there?
  • Dmitry Potapov 29 January 2020 09: 09 New
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    "The more absurd the lie, the more you believe in it." After such statements, in the absence of evidence, people should be brought to justice or to a mental hospital. And this homodril still for Belovezhskaya Pushcha should have been boiled in hot oil.
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      And this homodril still for Belovezhskaya Pushcha should have been boiled in hot oil.


      Apparently he wants to get it during his life.
  • cniza 29 January 2020 09: 16 New
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    According to him, before the start of World War II, "Hitler and Stalin met in Lviv."


    All this is the limit, stop wasting time on this ..., then there’s no way to choose what to call it.
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    Well old man dementia ...
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    The grandfather is old, he wants to chat, and some television broadcasters are happy to give air for this chatter - the rating, like money, does not smell smile .
    but this myth in itself about the meeting of Stalin and Hitler, whom Kravchuk seems to have heard from the bottom of his ear - he has a long history, he is already 40 years old.
    Supposedly
    Forty years ago, in 40, the Federal Bureau of Investigation declassified several documents, among which was the report of the FBI Director Edgar Hoover to Assistant Secretary of State Adolf Burl Jr. This confidential note, sent to the US State Department in July 1979 by the most powerful man in America, states that after the signing of the Nonaggression Pact, on October 1940, 17, a secret meeting took place in Soviet Lviv between Stalin and Hitler, which, according to Hoover , signed a new agreement there instead of the exhausted Covenant.

    When the fashion for chatter about history began, the myth began to complicate and refine, the topic was noisy at that time and went to write the province, acquiring new details allegedly by correspondence between the USSR and Germany!
    German Ambassador to the USSR Count Werner von der Schulenburg. Outgoing No. 1037 of October 11, 1939. I ask you to finally consider the meeting time on October 17, 1939. My train will arrive at the meeting place at 15. The NKVD bodies took all measures for the safety of the planned event. Sincerely, I. Stalin

    And Radzinsky didn’t pass by a fashionable topic, he also showed some warning.
    In general, anyone interested in such myth-making can read for himself.
    https://svpressa.ru/post/article/234877/
    It seems that somewhere Kravchuk heard it, and also not a great mind ort carried it to the masses smile ....
  • svp67 29 January 2020 09: 21 New
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    I wonder how in general Kravchuk imagines a “meeting” of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Polish Lviv?
    Oh, God, who cares a lot about it in Ukraine, and in the West. The main thing is to "drive the wave." In Ukraine, not a little worrying even about the victims of the famine of the 20s and 30s of the 20th century in those areas of Ukraine that before the year 39 were attributed to Poland under Stalin and the USSR, and that someone is very indignant?
  • smaug78 29 January 2020 09: 28 New
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    Kravchuk probably meant in Lviv, after he joined the Ukrainian SSR. Which is a lie anyway.
  • Alexander I 29 January 2020 09: 29 New
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    It seems to me there would be no dominance in the management of the USSR of immigrants from Ukraine, maybe the country did not fall apart
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    It is time for him to choose white slippers, and not to climb politics.
  • Daria Dneprovskaya 29 January 2020 09: 49 New
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    In general, it was a big mistake to attach western Ukraine to the main territory of Ukraine. Now the Poles would have a headache, from this scum.
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      Quote: Daria Dneprovskaya
      In general, it was a big mistake to attach western Ukraine to the main territory of Ukraine. Now the Poles would have a headache, from this scum.
      Reply

      That was the right move at the time, because a shield was created in front of the USSR. And if it had not been annexed, Hitler would occupy Poland with the territory of the memory where he could hit right away? And I wouldn’t wait for the 41st year
  • Dym71 29 January 2020 10: 29 New
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    If what Kravchuk says took place in history, then we must admit that the organizer of that “meeting” was Poland itself, since Lviv was Polish.

    Tyuyuyu, for such outbursts of "genius" in our susіd has long been known, that’s something everyday fellow
    Anecdotal dialogue from the Internet:

    Ivan: - But what the hell is the famine?
    Taras: - Yes, such that your Muscovites did!
    Ivan: - Tell me more that Muscovites came to you in Lviv and ate your children!
    Taras: - Yes, we have half of the city starved to death! And who didn’t die, they left for the forests, to be saved from your Stalinoids!
    Ivan: - Taras, are you sick?
    Taras: - It’s you who are sick, and here the old people tell us how all Lvivism ate the bark!
    Ivan: - Taras, you moron!
    Taras: - It's you Muscovite fool!
    Ivan: - Taras, in the year 33 Lviv was in Poland.
  • Terenin 29 January 2020 10: 31 New
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    From the statement of Mr. Kravchuk: ... in order to stop Hitler, his hands were then untied ...

    I don’t know about the “hands”, but Kravchuk doesn’t have to spread his legs in front of the overseas owners, but to look through the story ...
    Py.Sy. Kravchuk, a Polish-Jewish Jew with the surname Flag, still has the opportunity to declare that Hitler and Stalin met at his dacha. And Kravchuk cleaned their boots. That's why I heard the conversation.
    Went completely crazy.
  • rotmistr60 29 January 2020 10: 33 New
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    Kravchuk was called a man with a lack of elementary logic:
    In this clinical case, it’s time to talk not about the absence of logic, but about the complete insanity involved in the nationalism that appeared (suddenly?) In 91 g. And these people, occupying high positions in the party hierarchy at one time, taught us how to live properly and what to strive for. The former, and even more so, the current Ukrainian political "elite" has completely degraded and cannot be restored - only in the waste (prison, gallows ...).
  • Doctor 29 January 2020 10: 39 New
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    There was no meeting on November 13, 1940.

    INTERVIEW OF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL OF PEOPLE'S COMMISSARS OF THE USSR, PEOPLE'S COMMISSIONER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE USSR V.MOLOTOV WITH REEYSCHANCHANTER OF GERMANY A. GITLER
    November 13 1940 city
    Ow. top secret
    Special folder

    .... Hitler regrets that he still has not managed to meet such a huge historical figure as Stalin, especially since he thinks that maybe he himself will go down in history. He believes that Stalin is unlikely to leave Moscow to come to Germany, while he, Hitler, is not able to leave during the war.

    Molotov joins Hitler’s words about the desirability of such a meeting and expresses the hope that such a meeting will take place.

    This concludes the conversation. The conversation lasted 3 hours 30 minutes.
    The conversation was recorded by V. Bogdanov, V. Pavlov
  • Bare 29 January 2020 10: 40 New
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    Both two morons, Kravchuk Zelensky.
  • Egoza 29 January 2020 10: 41 New
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    but I think that with this statement Kravchuk did not want to hold Zelensky so much as to “bite” V. Putin. In one of his speeches, the GDP said that "one can relate to JV Stalin in different ways, but one must give him credit, he is the ONLY leader of that time who DIDN'T SPECY HIMSELF WITH TALKING WITH HITLER. So Lenya got out with his" masterpiece " discovery
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    I repeat on your website that, according to my Soviet conversations in the Carpathians with old-timers who would not lie, Stalin and Hitler studied together at the Austrian military school, whether in Sambir or somewhere near somewhere around revolutionary time. Inquiries can be made. It is known that before the revolution, Stalin traveled to Western Europe to his subversive revolutionary congresses and returned well-dressed. From this follows the organized subversive activities of Western Europe with respect to Russia, which have been successful. Stalin evidently trusted Hitler at one time, once invited his specialists to develop weapons in Russia, and until the last did not believe in its imminent start, especially against the backdrop of incorrect soothing intelligence reports on the stability of German troops at the border. The outbreak of the war of 41 years made a stunning impression and Stalin disconnected from everyone for three days. And the Western politicum completely framed Stalin several times as a result of a long trip and even now after his death. Apparently they had complete thorough intelligence in Moscow. Now Kravchuk, in his old age, remembered something or is realizing this setup again.
    1. Alexander Sosnitsky 29 January 2020 10: 55 New
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      2MB is a project of the West