Experts comment on the words of Kravchuk about the alleged meeting of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Lviv

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The network is discussing the statement of the first president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk, which he made on the air of the TV "Russia 1" in the program "60 minutes". Kravchuk's statement was more than resonant. According to him, before the start of World War II, "Hitler and Stalin met in Lviv."

Leonid Kravchuk announced that this is supposedly a document, "which is not a secret."



From a statement by Mr. Kravchuk:

Instead of stopping Hitler, his hands were then untied. And then it turned against the USSR, the peoples of our country suffered.

With such statements, Kravchuk tried to explain the words of the President of Ukraine Vladimir Zelensky, who blamed Hitler Germany and the USSR for the outbreak of World War II. Zelensky made his statement in Poland at events in memory of the release of the prisoners of Auschwitz.

I wonder how in general Kravchuk imagines a “meeting” of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Polish Lviv? According to the logic of Mr. Kravchuk, it turns out that Poland itself had organized a meeting for the then leaders of Germany and the USSR, during which they allegedly discussed the "plan of attack on Poland." Absurd absurdity.

Experts, commenting on the statements of the first president of Ukraine, called Kravchuk a man with a lack of elementary logic:

If what Kravchuk says would take place in stories, then we must admit that the organizer of that “meeting” was Poland itself, since Lviv was Polish.

Meanwhile, the network offered to award Kravchuk with the “Shnobel Prize” in the “Cranberry of the Year” nomination for an absurd interpretation of the events of the first half of the 20th century.
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    1. +52
      29 January 2020 07: 25
      Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself! In power - he lied, retired - he continues to lie. Incorrigible, sv.lo-that! Absenteeism is already being put to the cemetery, but he will not calm down.
      1. +22
        29 January 2020 07: 32
        Completely out of my mind fool When we stop listening to this freak, they were already waiting for him in Hell am
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          1. +16
            29 January 2020 10: 25
            Quote: Olis
            https://svpressa.ru/post/article/234877/


            Hmm, it's somehow unrealistic even if these letters were. They write: "I studied in detail the visit log of Stalin's office and found out that on the 17th and 18th the leader received a large number of visitors, but on the 19th he did not. Reception begins only on the 20th, late in the evening - almost at night."
            From Moscow to Lviv 1400 km. On the train, the day was not really manageable. He did not fly airplanes, they themselves insist on the train. Conclusion: there was no meeting.
            1. -22
              29 January 2020 10: 38
              So after all, in the article I cited, it is analyzed whether such a meeting could have happened or not.
              Everyone can make a conclusion.
              Moreover, the facts indicate that meeting of Stalin and Hitler still get ready.
              It’s not clear why my post was mined with a link to the article. It is probably easier for some miners to think
              This is Kravchuk crazy, insanity grows stronger and so on than will delve into the study of this topic yourself
              1. +9
                29 January 2020 10: 45
                There, below, Grandfather-Crimea wrote: "The squirrel constantly visited Poroshenko, Shiz Kravchuk, and the insanity of those who will seriously analyze this nonsense"
                So senility we are with you. Smile)
                1. 0
                  29 January 2020 16: 53
                  Quote: Tuzik
                  Shiz Kravchuk,

                  will tell soon ...
              2. +18
                29 January 2020 11: 02
                Quote: Olis
                This is Kravchuk crazy ..

                "once lied, who will believe you"
                And Kravchuk always lied. Here is his appeal

                and after the election: the seizure of KChF ships, coercion to the Ukrainian oath, the Ukrainization of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine, etc., etc.
                so the "original source" is not credible in principle.
                1. +3
                  29 January 2020 15: 41
                  Sylvester hi
                  Wrong experts Kravchuk now comment. It’s time for him to forever experts in forensic psychiatry with his stories. request
              3. 0
                29 January 2020 12: 47
                Everyone sees what he wants to see. For example, that Kravchuk is right.
                1. +2
                  29 January 2020 13: 16
                  Quote: Serwid
                  For example, that Kravchuk is right.

                  from which hangover? laughing
                  1. +1
                    29 January 2020 13: 31
                    I’m not for you, but Olisu answered.
              4. 0
                29 January 2020 15: 25
                Quote: Olis
                It’s not clear why my post was mined with a link to the article. It is probably easier for some miners to think

                Well, why it is not clear that people are negative about stuffing. so clear?
                Are you familiar with the "Sisson Papers" story? from this story not only smacks of, but straight stinks of all the same. and authoritative sources like "the familiar railwayman Rodzinsky" are generally an extravaganza!
              5. 0
                29 January 2020 18: 22
                Quote: Olis
                the article cited by me and analyzes whether such a meeting could occur or not
                2800 km round-trip, this is a day at a speed of more than 100 km / h. Yes, there were such steam locomotives, but the roads were at a maximum permissible speed of 60 km / h or less.

                Quote: Olis
                it is easier for some miners to think
                This is Kravchuk crazy, insanity grows stronger and so on
                It is a you think so. In fact, he oppresses the line of Russophobia, anti-Stalinists and anti-Soviet. Marasmus and illnesses of the mind do not smell - it’s just rubbish.
              6. +2
                29 January 2020 22: 38
                You are careful .... with a recess. Go deeper into it and find yourself in the sixth chamber.
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            3. -9
              29 January 2020 10: 50
              Too trust the "visit log" is also naive. What do you think? Having launched the mechanism of world war in Europe, Stalin would hardly have leaked information about the meeting with Hitler. Train speed and 1400 km is a weak argument. Although I was also not convinced that such a meeting took place - the main thing is, why?
              1. +13
                29 January 2020 11: 00
                Another senile? )
                For me, 1400 km, plus back 1400 km, plus a meeting (there was not just hello there should have been) per day! fully convinced of the absence of a meeting. And each of course, for himself, must decide for himself the head is.
                Very, very unlikely that the visit log would be distorted.
                1. -12
                  29 January 2020 11: 03
                  In the first place, I put trust in the "visit log", and with my head, I hope everything is fine with me so far.
                  1. 0
                    29 January 2020 11: 12
                    The article we are discussing has full confidence in this journal. In doubt, just the letters of Stalin:
                    "In his book" The Pact That Changed the Course of History "its author Vladimir Nadzhafov, who studied this issue in detail, writes carefully and with reservations that this meeting, apparently, was preceded by correspondence."
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                    3. -4
                      29 January 2020 11: 33
                      This is a more substantial argument. The words of the author of the publication before quoting the "letters" are alarming: "In his book" The Pact That Changed the Course of History "its author Vladimir Nadzhafov, who studied this issue in detail, carefully and with reservations writes that this meeting was apparently preceded by a correspondence" ... (Similarly, somehow in the program on "Zvezda" they "proved" that there was no substitution of Peter the Great, since two letters were found: one was written before 1698, the other after. The examination showed that both letters were written by the same and by the same Peter. ”The version of substitution of this letter was not considered ...) Did Stalin really work so rudely? "Stalin is a naive and gullible guy!" - this is the official banal point of view of our historical propaganda. Who is wrong with the head?
                    4. -2
                      29 January 2020 11: 39
                      "most likely" - you yourself are quoting it. Where is the confidence in the authenticity of these letters?
                      1. +2
                        29 January 2020 11: 45
                        I originally wrote: "... even if these letters were ...")
                        1. -4
                          29 January 2020 11: 47
                          We do not get a synchronous dialogue. As I write, you are already posting the same thing ...
                        2. -1
                          29 January 2020 11: 51
                          The main thing is that they came to one denominator)
                        3. -1
                          29 January 2020 12: 30
                          This is still the same "denominator", but about the "numerator" is still a question! )
                2. 0
                  29 January 2020 11: 28
                  The main evidence of the absence of a meeting between Stalin and Hitler is not the participation of the Red Army in the battle for England on the side of the Reich. If the USSR stood on the side of Germany against the arrogant Saxons and from Britain would have remained horns and legs. Alternative specialists wrote hundreds of books on the topic of Soviet tanks crossing the English Channel and two hundred Soviet submarines, tens of thousands of aircraft bombing London.
                  Kravchuk - Pestun laughing hi
                  1. -3
                    29 January 2020 11: 54
                    It would be interesting to read the documents about the negotiations of Molotov in Berlin in the autumn of the 40th. As I understand it, they are still classified.
                    1. -4
                      29 January 2020 12: 11
                      As I understand it, the Barbarossa plan began urgently in the summer of 1940. Due to the identified threat to the Reich from the USSR, Hitler gave an order to urgently end the campaign against France, make peace with her and prepare for war against the Soviet Union. What could be interesting in the negotiations with Molotov in Berlin in the fall of 1940?
                      1. 0
                        29 January 2020 12: 14
                        But Hitler approved that in December. It seems to me, according to the logic of events, that somewhere there ours came to him
                        1. -1
                          29 January 2020 12: 17
                          The order to develop such a war plan is in the summer. Approval - at the end of the year. A plan of war is not done in two days ...
                        2. -1
                          29 January 2020 12: 56
                          "The reunification of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina with the USSR (also the Bessarabian operation, the Bessarabian campaign, the Prut campaign of 1940, the annexation of Northern Bukovina to the USSR and the Bessarabian campaign) - the incorporation of Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina and the Hertz region into the USSR in 1940. The Soviet side planned a military invasion to Romania, but a few hours before the start of the operation, King Carol II of Romania accepted the ultimatum from the Soviet side and handed Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina to the USSR. The operation to occupy the territory by Soviet troops lasted 6 days. " (since June 29, 1940) There are several tens of kilometers to the Ploiesti oil fields.
                        3. -1
                          29 January 2020 13: 00
                          Molotov went to Berlin to reassure Hitler that there was no threat to the Reich in the annexation of Bukovina. By this time, intelligence had already put the main provisions of the Barbarossa plan being developed on Stalin's table ...
                        4. 0
                          30 January 2020 00: 37
                          I can’t believe what I put. By the fact that I read, for example, our 3rd Goth tank group did not immediately notice, which galloped along the junction of two fronts to Minsk
                        5. -1
                          30 January 2020 10: 45
                          After the campaign in France, most of Hitler's armored vehicles were delivered for scheduled repairs. The service life of tanks is not endless. By the summer of 41, the GRU was monitoring the situation with the transfer of enemy motorized divisions by the piece. The reason for the defeat of the Red Army is multifaceted. The main one: the General Staff's miscalculation in terms of the Germans' readiness to attack. Expected concentration of invasion troops at the level of 80% of all forces of the Wehrmacht - in fact it turned out to be about 60-65%. The Red Army was supposed to start first (Operation "Thunder" / "Thunderstorm"). The second reason: our troops were not preparing for strategic defense, the task was to "cover the borders" to create conditions for the full deployment of all forces according to the war plan. The third reason: on the eve of Hitler's invasion, the troops received an order "... do not succumb to provocations, do not open fire, do not engage in battle - negotiate with the enemy ..." (signatures: Stalin, Zhukov, Vasilevsky. I saw a sample order form in the museum WWII on Poklonnaya Hill). The fourth reason: the almost complete lack of communication with the troops of the border districts, the impossibility of any control over the armies.
                        6. 0
                          30 January 2020 22: 09
                          Once again, it was not worth retelling these fables about the preemptive strike and the absence of orders to increase BG. To increase erudition, you should read:
                          - Order to the PribOVO troops No. 0052 ov / ss on June 15, 1941 "Contents. To ensure the combat readiness of the district troops ..."
                          - Order to the troops of PribOVO No. 00229ov / ss on June 18, 1941 "In order to bring the theater of military operations of the district to combat readiness as soon as possible, I ORDER: .."
                          - answers to the Questions of the Military Scientific Directorate of the General Staff
                          Armed Forces of the USSR: ... 3. When was an order received from the headquarters of the army of the district headquarters on putting the army troops on alert in connection with the expected attack of Nazi Germany in the morning of 22.6?
                          When you have a question, why then in the ZAPOVO ... read the protocols of Pavlov’s interrogation.
                        7. 0
                          30 January 2020 23: 16
                          From yours, I published a book a long time ago: "Stalin's Lost Chance", the author of Doctor of History Meltyukhov M.I. Read also at your leisure, if there is nothing more to show here ...
                        8. 0
                          31 January 2020 00: 40
                          Did you fail to read the documents indicated by me? Decided to recall a book already read? So there were many of them, and such and others? And with doctors, with and without candidates. But it’s better to read documents and listen to eyewitnesses than to read conjunctural fabulists.
                        9. 0
                          31 January 2020 01: 50
                          Your "konyukturschik-fabulist" (How about your own! Wolves!) Gives a lot of links to documents that you, if you wish, will be uploaded before the Second Coming! In addition, I personally have a strong witness to the events of the beginning of the Second World War - my father, who participated in this war from the first to the last day (he was drafted in 1939, four wounds, the Order of Glory, the Patriotic War and came alive from the war) ... So lucky for him and me!
                        10. 0
                          31 January 2020 02: 52
                          Why did you decide that "their" nonsense do not write? Links, of course, are good, but you also need to read documents. By the way, you are greatly mistaken about their abundance of the period on the eve of the attack, there is just a gap. For the PribOVO documents have been preserved, but not for the rest of the districts, it seems they have not survived - the environment and all that. And you still make an effort to read the orders. Cleans the brain. Your grandfather is a hero, no doubt, but that does not make him a commander who knows the tasks of armies and corps. Your grandfather, like mine, had a simpler task, he saw the enemy - shoot, and within the framework of which strategic operation he killed the enemy, he did not care.
                        11. -1
                          31 January 2020 03: 18
                          Everything is fine with my brains - clean as a glass! I've been in this thread for forty years already! And not a "grandfather", but a father. He did not tell me a lot (about the war) - he kept complaining about the betrayal of someone above. Our soldiers in 41 all thought so ... And just before their death. in a few days, confessed to me in many respects unsaid ... So, "powder your brains" to someone simpler than me!
                        12. 0
                          31 January 2020 04: 08
                          I have no desire to "powder my brains". I urge you to read the documents. And if they say "I order: 1. By the end of June 19, 1941, the head of the air defense zone should bring the entire air defense of the district into full combat readiness ...", then this is not for your brains, but for the actions of the district's units. And even if Meltyukhov and K believe that this is not enough, and that Stalin must order, then these are problems not of history, but of its understanding by these fabulists.
                          Actually, our dialogue "read the documents or trust the father" makes no sense. Faith is a religious category, but here reason is powerless.
                        13. 0
                          31 January 2020 18: 55
                          We have already moved far away from the topic. Last but not least, I read at one time both Meltyukhov and his opponent Martirosyan: "The tragedy of June 22: Blitzkrieg or Treason?" where he cites many documents about which Lekz speaks, trying to prove the guilt of the generals in that defeat. There are a lot of different versions.
                    2. +2
                      29 January 2020 16: 13
                      It would be interesting to read the documents about the negotiations of Molotov in Berlin in the autumn of the 40th. As I understand it, they are still classified.


                      Not at all. Everything has long been open.
                      http://dvp.sssr.su

                      Tom XXXlll. Book 2.
                      Start with the instructions before the trip, page 30, document 491. Further in Berlin, a conversation with Ribbentrop, doc. 497.
                      1. 0
                        29 January 2020 23: 55
                        Oh, thank you very much! And for specific pages, too. I read, then unsubscribe here.
                      2. 0
                        30 January 2020 22: 45
                        Thanks for the link. I read it with interest, but did not see anything special. Nowhere is it said about the meeting of Stalin with Hitler. It’s a little embarrassing that the site address is registered to a private person. I would be grateful for a link where you can see documents on Hitler’s negotiations with Chamberlain and Daladier in 1938. On the agreements of Poland with Germany on the partition of Czechoslovakia. I would also read with interest about the negotiations of Rudolf Hess in March 1941 with the British.
                        1. 0
                          30 January 2020 23: 37
                          About "Hess's negotiations" ?! It is unlikely that you will find anything - this secret of the Anglo-Saxons will never be revealed. Not for that Hess was isolated in prison (West Berlin) until his death, to tell the public the reasons for his flight to Britain! And what was allegedly declassified raises doubts among our "knights of historical truth" ... Turn on the logic, as they recommended to me, and a lot will become clear.
                      3. 0
                        1 February 2020 11: 24
                        Yes, there is what I expected: "He, Hitler, invites the Soviet Union to participate as a fourth partner in this pact" and "Those questions that
                        The Soviet Union has in relation to Romania, Bulgaria and Turkey,
                        can't be solved here in 10 minutes "
                  2. -4
                    29 January 2020 11: 55
                    Have you seen the computer game "Battle of England"? Produced in the bowels of Microsoft (the quarter of computer games). So the scenario of the possibility for the players to use Soviet aircraft of the WWII times on the side of the Reich was considered quite seriously ...
                    1. 0
                      30 January 2020 22: 30
                      And then there's the cool Hollywood movie Red Dawn. There, in all seriousness, the Soviet Army invades the United States. I advise you to look. That was in 1989. Do you remember?
                      1. 0
                        30 January 2020 23: 56
                        How is Hollywood FILM "in all seriousness"? A film is always a director's invention. In our films, they also seriously "stormed Winter", "Panfilov's 28" stopped a massive tank breakthrough, etc. The game is somewhat different. Here, the player, under the guise of historical authenticity, is offered to participate in the protection of the British sky, including from the raids of the "bad Russians". Gamers of books, as a rule, do not read and easily get used to this scenario of the game. We are used to, for example, the so-called. "Tatar-Mongol yoke in Russia" through textbooks, cartoons, fairy tales, "epics" and computer games ... Nobody really thinks about it. So it works there.
                        1. 0
                          April 9 2020 00: 04
                          "The game is somewhat different. Here the player, under the guise of historical accuracy, is offered to participate in the protection of the skies of Britain, including from the raids of the" bad Russians. "Gamers, as a rule, do not read books and easily get used to this scenario of the game. We are used to .. "
                          It seems that you really do not read books and are already accustomed, under the guise of historical accuracy, to fight off "raids of bad Russians." You live in your fantasy world.
            4. 0
              29 January 2020 21: 38
              How unrealistic that is. fool Kravchuk personally transcribed the conversation that day. wassat He then still secretary tied up to earn money .... negative Well, somewhere in ... jo ... dug up the memories of that meeting. drinks
              1. 0
                29 January 2020 23: 58
                I love comments with humor, but you didn’t succeed. There is much more fun below, especially the rhyme)
          2. +2
            29 January 2020 13: 58
            Quote: Olis
            Case in Lviv: Did Stalin and Hitler Really Meet Before the War
            What is not mentioned in the published secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

            article about the link
            https://svpressa.ru/post/article/234877/

            Quote: Olis
            facts show that the meeting between Stalin and Hitler is still getting ready.

            There are no facts as such, there are nothing but unsubstantiated assumptions based both on simply ignorance of real facts and their deliberate distortion by historians specialized in this field.
            Well, judging by the above quoted and such comments
            Quote: Magog
            What do you think? Having launched the mechanism of world war in Europe, it is unlikely that Stalin would have leaked information about a meeting with Hitler.
            , there is a suspicion that not from everyone, after the New Year holidays, Squirrel left.
            ... the very case in Lviv, which is mentioned, in particular, in the book of Edward Radzinsky about Stalin. So, the writer and playwright refers in his story to the story of a friend of the railway veteran, who recalled that on the eve of the rendezvous at the station, they had a real sweep - they even evicted all local residents from the houses near the station. Then, however, everyone was allowed back to their homes.
            Radzinsky as a "historian", to be honest, not very ... I would like to clarify, Hitler also went by train through the just defeated Poland on a piece of iron? And considering that he, Radzinsky, refers to the story of a certain acquaintance of a railway worker! .. I'm just delighted with this proof !!! Yes, those who claim that Auschwitz (Auschwitz) was liberated by Ukrainians from Lviv, and they have more reason to say so. 100 Lvov Rifle Division, 60th Army, 1st Ukrainian Front, which was the first to reach the outskirts of Auschwitz. Indeed, with this approach, the novel "Requiem for the PQ-17 caravan" by Valentin Pikul can generally be considered a historical document, especially since practically at that time he served in the Northern Fleet (practically = the railway worker of Radzinsky)
            By the way, did you try to follow the links to the outgoing numbers given in this article? What's highlighted? In which archive were these letters (or their copies were stored) their registration number, category? And by the way, if the outgoing message number is indicated in the correspondence, then why is there no number of the incoming message from the German side, well, or what was the outgoing message from the German side? By the way, on request about "the author Vladimir Najafov" for some reason, no autobiographical data is displayed. There is even more information about the actor Vladimir Najafov.
            1. -3
              29 January 2020 14: 31
              After the attack on Poland, the world war ended, are you our most sober? I paid attention to the "outgoing numbers" of the documents. "Probably in the office of the Moscow Criminal Investigation Department, and they do not cook such certificates." In other words, to understand the "games" of historical chancelleries on both sides is a useless and dead-end occupation: while you blinked, the "magician historian" had already managed to prepare another lie! The government pays money for this.
          3. +3
            29 January 2020 16: 31
            Case in Lviv: Did Stalin and Hitler Really Meet Before the War


            The transcripts of the negotiations between Hitler and Molotov in November 1940 have long been opened. In one of the conversations, Hitler regrets that he still has not met with Stalin and expresses his hope for a meeting.
            Published in official publications of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
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      2. +9
        29 January 2020 07: 33
        On this occasion, I can only offer for an encore yesterday's comment: "Winter. Insanity is getting stronger!"
        1. +2
          29 January 2020 09: 53
          Yes, it’s him, senile senility knocked on the head of the former president.
          1. +6
            29 January 2020 10: 37
            Kravchuk should read NEXT AVAILABLE Goebbels diary, which says that he participated in evening meetings with Hitler in Berlin on October 16 and 17, 1939 ...
        2. +1
          29 January 2020 14: 14
          Quote: bessmertniy
          On this occasion, I can only offer for an encore yesterday's comment: "Winter. Insanity is getting stronger!"

          Yes, rather, an unexpected warming caused an exacerbation ...
      3. +19
        29 January 2020 07: 39
        What about this? Such a normal communist, all his life clandestinely fighting for non-sluggishness. In 91, at the speed of light, who became a nationalist, the first began to officially support Bandera and crush the Russian language. What else from this mores worthless to take.
        1. +5
          29 January 2020 07: 46
          And what do you want, this trend spreads by the West and throughout the West. So Kravchuk, this is a small screw in the mechanism of Russophobia in the Western world.
          1. +3
            29 January 2020 07: 49
            Yes, he just reads the censor smile
            1. +15
              29 January 2020 09: 16
              ... It is a pity that Kravchuk did not tell the whole truth!
              Then in Lviv met Stalin, Hitler and Kravchuk! laughing
              1. +3
                29 January 2020 10: 27
                Quote: Boris Nevzorov
                Then in Lviv met Stalin, Hitler and Kravchuk!

                ========
                Nope! Little Kravchuk - personally brought "bread and salt" to Hitler !!! laughing wassat And now "I remembered my childhood" .... or "fell" (into "childhood") ... lol
          2. +2
            29 January 2020 08: 02
            Yeah, only since the year 91 has he become so drowning them. Completely forgetting how this fictitious country began.
            1. +1
              29 January 2020 08: 23
              This "respected" member of the Politburo in his insanity can only give out what filled his head 30-40 years ago, and this was the very thing that Ukraine lives with today!
        2. +6
          29 January 2020 09: 18
          Quote: K-612-O
          In 91, at the speed of light, who became a nationalist, the first began to officially support Bandera and crush the Russian language.

          But his path to the "communists" he began as a member of the "Bandera militant", why be surprised then?
      4. +10
        29 January 2020 07: 59
        The NEXT baseness and meanness of the manager from the clerk of the Ukrainian leadership is such a feeling that in Ukraine, in principle, he cannot come to power adequately, which the state of life of the people will care about against the backdrop of an increase in his WELFARE: but no, it doesn’t work.
        And this means that the Ukrainian leadership will NEVER have the opportunity to achieve sanity and resolve issues in the mutual interests of the Ukrainian, Russian and Russian people! Yes
        1. +7
          29 January 2020 10: 52
          Quote: hydrox
          sanity and resolving issues in the mutual interests of the people of Ukrainian, Russian and Russian!

          What kind of solution can be discussed when there are people like this Kravchuk! On the contrary, they are doing everything to cross out the memory of the Ukrainian people, our brothers, and pit us. These inadequacies, such as Kravchuk and the like, are ready for anything for the sake of American and European finances. Solve problems? Yes, they put it on everything. It is not profitable for them! They will not be paid for this!
      5. +8
        29 January 2020 08: 19
        Quote: Silvestr
        Unrecoverable

        In adolescence, he was a young Bandera in the "hundred courageous youths" in the OUN-UPA! Inveterate Natsik!
        1. +12
          29 January 2020 08: 57
          Hitler and Bandera met in a Polish prison in 1939 after Germany invaded Poland. As a result of this stormy meeting, Bandera gave birth to a son, whom he named Lenya, and so that no one would guess, Bandera wrote Lenya under the surname "Kravchuk".
      6. 0
        29 January 2020 09: 39
        Quote: Silvestr
        Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself!

        Yes, let it bresh, no one ever believed him.
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      8. +5
        29 January 2020 10: 47
        Lies + Kravchuk = how to put it mildly ... Rewrite history. Although there is nothing to be surprised, there are Ukrainians, there is only one here, they themselves do not consider themselves Eastern Slavs ...
      9. +2
        29 January 2020 11: 00
        Quote: Silvestr
        Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself! In power - he lied, retired - he continues to lie. Incorrigible, sv.lo-that! Absenteeism is already being put to the cemetery, but he will not calm down.

        Besides the fact that Kravchuk is a liar and a liar, he is also a dreamer. Once on Shuster's program, he literally stated the following: "When I was traveling by train to Leningrad, I saw unburied human bones along the road. This indicates the moral, ethical and spiritual qualities of the Russian people."
        So that's it, neither more nor less. And after that, what should be expected from this "mistake of nature"?
      10. 0
        29 January 2020 12: 26
        Quote: Silvestr
        Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself!

        Kravchuk was at this meeting.
        1. 0
          29 January 2020 12: 53
          Did you lead the transcript?
      11. -1
        29 January 2020 13: 29
        Quote: Silvestr
        Kravchuk believe, deceive yourself!

        And Stalin or Hitler did not meet with aliens in Lviv, no?
      12. 0
        29 January 2020 17: 19
        another Bandera dog
    2. +8
      29 January 2020 07: 28
      I wonder how in general Kravchuk imagines a “meeting” of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Polish Lviv?

      Comrade Kravchuk, by virtue of his age and advancing insanity, completely forgot that Lviv until 2MB was a Polish city, and before that, Austro-Hungarian Lemberg.
      1. +6
        29 January 2020 08: 06
        Quote: Amateur
        forgot that Lviv before 2MB was a Polish city

        when away insanity such trifles do not matter
        1. +27
          29 January 2020 08: 55
          "They go to the left - the sea is digging. To the right - they are making a wall Among the swamps Bandera wanders And they eat fat in tons There on the roads of Chernigov Left a trace Moses And the pyramids of the pharaohs Was born in which Odysseus There Genghis Khan under Krivoy Rog Ditched his entire Horde There is a lot of all that you can't imagine delirious "(c)
          1. +1
            29 January 2020 10: 55
            BRABISISMO!
      2. +12
        29 January 2020 08: 13
        "ANDI wonder how Kravchuk generally envisions the "meeting" of Hitler and Stalin in the pre-war Polish Lvov? ". How how. Is it really incomprehensible? in a safe house! At the same time, both shaved off their mustache.
        1. +4
          29 January 2020 08: 49
          ... Well, with Kravchuk, everything is clear. Old age, senility. And marasmatics usually like to show off in public. That brings whatever comes to a sore head.
        2. +1
          29 January 2020 10: 16
          Both wearing black glasses. Stalin has the conspiratorial nickname Experienced, Hitler has the Bouncer. Diverged - one at a time. Ribentropp and Molotov checked for surveillance.
          1. 0
            30 January 2020 13: 08
            Bulychev has a story "Meeting of Tyrants", fantasy .... Read it!
    3. +7
      29 January 2020 07: 32
      even know how the meeting looked
      1. +4
        29 January 2020 08: 30
        Roma hi Do you remember the scene from 17 moments of spring (meeting in a cafe with my wife)? wink
        1. +3
          29 January 2020 08: 38
          and identity too !! Do you think that was the way ?? Lesha! hi
          1. +6
            29 January 2020 08: 45
            Definitely! belay Since there are no protocols ... they sat - they were silent crying
            1. +3
              29 January 2020 10: 08
              even thumped a bit ???
              1. +3
                29 January 2020 10: 17
                Not ... The International was listening on the gramophone! wassat and Kravchuk was peeping! laughing
                1. +2
                  29 January 2020 10: 47
                  dishonest, it was necessary first "international", and then "Ich hatt 'einen Kameraden", so that nobody would be offended
    4. +4
      29 January 2020 07: 34
      Lie more, lie always .... you will pass for the "knowing".
      Empty little man. ALL!
      1. +1
        29 January 2020 10: 35
        Quote: rocket757
        Lie more, lie always .... you will pass for the "knowing".
        Empty little man. ALL!

        In as Kpermu pinned, money must be cut! Yes If they don’t dump the manejo, then ......
        1. +1
          29 January 2020 11: 20
          Okay, there will be a judge on him and higher. Let him.
    5. +2
      29 January 2020 07: 34
      Interesting facts popped up by Mr. Kravchuk popped up, clearly found this fact, see age and dementia and insanity make themselves felt, my condolences to the history teacher taught by Mr. Kravchuk, if all Ukrainian authorities studied like that, then it’s clear why the country was destroyed and sold yourself!
      1. +9
        29 January 2020 08: 00
        Such as Kravchuk, the whole USSR was destroyed, trampled and spat upon our history. Until 91, these were young promising communists, the future of the CPSU, Zyuganov, Shulevich, Gorbi, Ligachev, Gaidar, Kravchuk-the color of the CPSU of that time. Even then they were senile and conjuncturers.
        1. 0
          29 January 2020 12: 58
          Ligachev and with reservations Zyuganov should not be put on a par with other characters of this kind. Ligachev did not change his views. And Zyuganov until 1990 was a small party worker of the Central Committee, no one knew about him.
          1. +1
            29 January 2020 13: 01
            Only hesitated along with the course of the party. Like Lukyanov, Yanaev and all this camarilla have pro-country.
      2. -1
        29 January 2020 09: 50
        Quote: Fantazer911

        Interesting facts popped up by Mr. Kravchuk

        Well, he does not lie this Kravchuk (Stirlitz), he himself was personally present there and was a translator. And we say that he is lying.
    6. +7
      29 January 2020 07: 35
      Kravchuk was called a man with a lack of elementary logic:
      Judging by the statement of Kravchuk, this is not a matter of logic, but a matter of treatment by a psychiatrist. Bacilli of insanity continue to spread throughout Ukraine.
    7. +5
      29 January 2020 07: 37
      How not to believe ukr.
      It was they who dug the Black Sea.
      And no doubt it was dill that held the candle above the paradise apple tree, at the time of the birth of mankind.
      The root of nature, the support of mankind.
      It is necessary to pay tribute to them.
    8. +1
      29 January 2020 07: 39
      Enough to give him a word, to revive the old cot.
    9. +1
      29 January 2020 07: 43
      Squirrel constantly visited Poroshenko, Shiz Kravchuk, and the insanity of those who will seriously analyze this nonsense)))))
    10. +4
      29 January 2020 07: 44
      What a country, such and presidents ... What are former, what are current ... Such a country was RIPPED! Although in their language they knew how to live !!!
    11. +1
      29 January 2020 07: 44
      Oh, Ukrainian experts and politicians, these are just generators of absurd ideas and statements!
    12. 0
      29 January 2020 07: 44
      It feels like when you look at a record that he is reading on a piece of paper. He never raised his eyes. I don’t think of shame. The Nazis already have the power completely, they just want to be in the shadows for now.
    13. 0
      29 January 2020 07: 45
      Such a person speaks on behalf of Ukraine. This country should receive its portion of truth.
      1. -1
        29 January 2020 08: 11
        The fact is that the population of this country is so zombified by Bandera (with Petliura and OUN) that there is a strong understanding that the population of this underaged is more afraid of Bandera and SBU officers than hundreds of tons of explosives from "gifts" of 152 mm caliber and FAB-250. .. fool
        They need such a truth!?
    14. +11
      29 January 2020 07: 47
      I was always most worried about the question of this topic, only one-and who cares about what and how the Soviet Union agreed? each state has its own interests. did not stop Hitler. But we needed it most of all?) Why did not the Anglo-Saxons stop him?
    15. +4
      29 January 2020 07: 58
      According to him, before the start of World War II, "Hitler and Stalin met in Lviv."

      Wait, soon he ..
      will tell what Father Barlaam was talking about with Grishka the impostor on the Lithuanian border ...
    16. +5
      29 January 2020 07: 58
      In general, it’s time to cover up the 60-minute program, they’re carrying such crap, and they still invite old senile! Since the days of the Soviet Union, while serving in the SA, I realized that a Ukrainian would something out of the blue and would turn everything up to his advantage. They correctly say that when the Jews went to Calvary, the Ukrainians went down from there!
    17. +2
      29 January 2020 08: 02
      Kravchuk is over, for the whole head! Finished I tell you!
    18. +2
      29 January 2020 08: 03
      Old senile .... Lord, how the earth wears such .... and after all, the more abominable, the longer they live and no lyhomanka takes them
    19. 0
      29 January 2020 08: 03
      another month until spring, and in psychos the exacerbation began
    20. +2
      29 January 2020 08: 09
      I wonder how in general Kravchuk imagines a “meeting” of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Polish Lviv?

      TOTAL insanity !!! What the hell of these ... bad people, also comment! Moral ukroreihovsky sucks, multiplied by moronicity.
    21. +6
      29 January 2020 08: 11
      Meanwhile, the network offered to award Kravchuk with the “Shnobel Prize” in the “Cranberry of the Year” nomination for an absurd interpretation of the events of the first half of the 20th century.

      Such tricks for such an interpretation of history need to be put on the heels of years.
      Here I am wondering: as a member of the CPSU, for what reason did this story hide his "understanding" of historical events?
      What was silent? What did not allow to speak out in a voice?
      These statements are not funny, but criminal ... I’m not talking about the moral aspect.
    22. +3
      29 January 2020 08: 15
      Not worthy of attention, an abomination in the fact that he knows that he is talking nonsense. And he considers, first of all, his people to be animals that are ready to devour any nonsense, even the Overton window does not need to be opened. And the most disgusting thing is that many of his people really gulp any nonsense, they like this abomination, otherwise there would be no such madhouse that is happening in Ukraine. Now all these nonhumans have decided to play ahead of the curve, since the 75th anniversary of Victory is approaching, and Putin has promised to start declassifying the archives. Ukraine and the Baltic mongrels begin to sing in unison, when the most ridiculous nonsense is poured out and the venal media are filled with nonsense, European "heavyweights" like "British scientists" various foundations and already CNN, BBIS, Spiegels, etc. join in. will begin to publish data about the alleged facts that are, but we will not show you. I would not be surprised if they say that Stalin and Hitler met back in 1914 and decided after the First World War to "tear apart" the world for two. Don't tell the current generation they'll eat everything. But all this rotten lies will destroy them, only they can make a deal with the "father of lies", hoping that the devil, or as he is now called "hegemon", will not deceive him. Russia now not only has truth, but also strength, and these mongrels do not have one or the other, so they are furious.
    23. +5
      29 January 2020 08: 17
      Kravchuk is fabulous for .... (well, you understand).
      Hitler’s hands were untied: England and France concluded the Munich Agreement and Poland participated in the emergency section and did not allow the USSR to protect the emergency.
    24. +2
      29 January 2020 08: 18
      And this Bandera was also present there? Banderlogiya has already sunk below city sewers.
      1. 0
        29 January 2020 08: 25
        Kravchuk was told about this by the spirit of aliozych during the next seance. The source is 100% true.
    25. +9
      29 January 2020 08: 20
      This is the psychology of any traitor, to throw mud at the state that you have betrayed and present yourself as, for example, a "fighter against the regime"!
      Lenya lived, lived for himself in the Soviet Union, enjoyed all its benefits, climbed the career ladder, glorified the USSR and its rulers, campaigned the people for Soviet power and only the wind blew out from the other side, with the ease of a balancing act "pereobulsya in the air"!
      Lenya, but you are a scoundrel!
      1. +2
        29 January 2020 09: 24
        At that age? Does he hope to live forever? sorry to waste time on him ...
    26. +1
      29 January 2020 08: 20
      The main thing is to crow, and there at least do not dawn.
      It is high time for such cocks to be held accountable, for libel is at least.
    27. +5
      29 January 2020 08: 31
      Well, if this is such a "well-known historical fact", it was necessary to demand a date from him. Or where documents about this event are stored. And so .... dreams and dreams. Farion dreamed that Bandera was shaking her on his knees, Kravchuk - a meeting between Stalin and Hitler.
      1. +3
        29 January 2020 09: 22
        What for ? His task is to launch a new jet and soon it will turn into a stream and so on ... a proven technology and it is clear who manages it.
    28. +2
      29 January 2020 08: 33
      Such statements can be commented only in epicrisis.
    29. +2
      29 January 2020 08: 46
      ... Given that Stalin, after becoming the leader of the country, he only went to Gagra (or Pitsunda) to his country house. I went to my mom a couple of times. with the outbreak of war - 2 times went to meet with other leaders of the United States and Britain. 1 time even abroad - Tehran. this is the only recorded trip abroad. Kravchuk speaks of a meeting with Hitler, which means it could only be at the time of the Germany-Poland war. otherwise the Polish press would quickly publish it. and the Polish government could not allow this. but during this period Hitler himself was far from these places. and Stalin - even more so. so the next nonsense of the Nazis
    30. +4
      29 January 2020 08: 51
      I just mourned my teachers yesterday:
    31. +2
      29 January 2020 08: 54
      before the Second World War, "Hitler and Stalin met in Lviv."

      And Joseph Vissarionovich himself commanded: "Vorwärts marsch!" at 4 o'clock on June 22.
      Why ... For "the more monstrous the lie, the easier it is to believe in it."
      1. +4
        29 January 2020 09: 19
        They concoct these and such a document, it’s scary to imagine how all events will be interpreted, in 50 years ...
        1. +2
          29 January 2020 09: 24
          Quote: cniza
          in 50 years ...

          Ha! It’s scary to imagine what they say in a week!
          1. +3
            29 January 2020 09: 26
            Well, after a week, all the rubbish is easier to expose and clear the truth, but then ...
            1. +1
              29 January 2020 10: 14
              Yes. But you have to react to such crap in hot pursuit. To be discouraged. It will be too late in 50 years.
              1. +2
                29 January 2020 10: 28
                Now there are still living witnesses of all those events, but when they are gone, a "piece of paper" will come forward and begin ...
                1. +1
                  29 January 2020 10: 39
                  Quote: cniza
                  Now there are still living witnesses to all those events.

                  And if they are not really interfering with this whole bacchanalia now, then ....
                  1. +1
                    29 January 2020 10: 41
                    Yeah, then there will come a bacchanalia and whoever shouts louder ...
    32. +1
      29 January 2020 08: 55
      This district (Kravchuk) will answer for the collapse of the union am negative
    33. -1
      29 January 2020 09: 00
      Embroidery to the brain, as it is.
    34. -6
      29 January 2020 09: 07
      On September 19, Soviet troops approached the city and soon occupied its eastern part, the Polish side was asked to surrender the city. A few hours later, German troops attacked the west and south of the city, making fire contact with Soviet troops, but the Wehrmacht withdrew the troops. In accordance with the Secret Protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, on the night of September 21, 1939, Soviet troops replaced the German and began to prepare for the assault. However, the Polish command resumed negotiations, as a result of which on September 22, 1939 an agreement was signed "on the transfer of the city of Lviv to the troops of the Soviet Union." So Lviv was not Polish.
      1. +2
        29 January 2020 10: 43
        Quote: Andrey Andrey
        So Lviv was not Polish.

        And therefore, Stalin and Hitler immediately rushed to hang out there?
    35. +2
      29 January 2020 09: 09
      "The more absurd the lie, the more one believes in it." After such statements, in the absence of evidence, people should be taken to court or to a mental hospital. And this homodril was supposed to be cooked in hot oil even outside Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
      1. +3
        29 January 2020 09: 18
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        And this homodril still for Belovezhskaya Pushcha should have been boiled in hot oil.


        Apparently he wants to get it during his life.
    36. +2
      29 January 2020 09: 16
      According to him, before the start of World War II, "Hitler and Stalin met in Lviv."


      All this is the limit, stop wasting time on this ..., then there’s no way to choose what to call it.
    37. 0
      29 January 2020 09: 16
      Well old man dementia ...
    38. 0
      29 January 2020 09: 18
      The grandfather is old, he wants to chat, and some television broadcasters are happy to give air for this chatter - the rating, like money, does not smell smile .
      but this myth in itself about the meeting of Stalin and Hitler, whom Kravchuk seems to have heard from the bottom of his ear - he has a long history, he is already 40 years old.
      Supposedly
      Forty years ago, in 40, the Federal Bureau of Investigation declassified several documents, among which was the report of the FBI Director Edgar Hoover to Assistant Secretary of State Adolf Burl Jr. This confidential note, sent to the US State Department in July 1979 by the most powerful man in America, states that after the signing of the Nonaggression Pact, on October 1940, 17, a secret meeting took place in Soviet Lviv between Stalin and Hitler, which, according to Hoover , signed a new agreement there instead of the exhausted Covenant.

      When the fashion for chatter about history began, the myth began to complicate and refine, the topic was noisy at that time and went to write the province, acquiring new details allegedly by correspondence between the USSR and Germany!
      German Ambassador to the USSR Count Werner von der Schulenburg. Outgoing No. 1037 of October 11, 1939. I ask you to finally consider the meeting time on October 17, 1939. My train will arrive at the meeting place at 15. The NKVD bodies took all measures for the safety of the planned event. Sincerely, I. Stalin

      And Radzinsky didn’t pass by a fashionable topic, he also showed some warning.
      In general, anyone interested in such myth-making can read for himself.
      https://svpressa.ru/post/article/234877/
      It seems that somewhere Kravchuk heard it, and also not a great mind ort carried it to the masses smile ...
    39. +1
      29 January 2020 09: 21
      I wonder how in general Kravchuk imagines a “meeting” of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Polish Lviv?
      Oh, Lord, who cares so much in Ukraine, and in the West as well. The main thing is to "drive the wave". In Ukraine, without a little hesitation, the victims of the famine of the 20s and 30s of the 20th century in those regions of Ukraine that were under Poland until 39 are attributed to Stalin and the USSR, and who is strongly indignant?
    40. -1
      29 January 2020 09: 28
      Kravchuk probably meant in Lviv, after he joined the Ukrainian SSR. Which is a lie anyway.
    41. +1
      29 January 2020 09: 29
      It seems to me there would be no dominance in the management of the USSR of immigrants from Ukraine, maybe the country did not fall apart
    42. 0
      29 January 2020 09: 46
      It is time for him to choose white slippers, and not to climb politics.
    43. +1
      29 January 2020 09: 49
      In general, it was a big mistake to attach western Ukraine to the main territory of Ukraine. Now the Poles would have a headache, from this scum.
      1. 0
        29 January 2020 10: 45
        Quote: Daria Dneprovskaya
        In general, it was a big mistake to attach western Ukraine to the main territory of Ukraine. Now the Poles would have a headache, from this scum.
        Reply

        That was the right move at the time, because a shield was created in front of the USSR. And if it had not been annexed, Hitler would occupy Poland with the territory of the memory where he could hit right away? And I wouldn’t wait for the 41st year
    44. 0
      29 January 2020 10: 29
      If what Kravchuk says took place in history, then we must admit that the organizer of that “meeting” was Poland itself, since Lviv was Polish.

      Tyuyuyu, for such outbursts of "genius" in our susid has long been known, the matter is everyday fellow
      Anecdotal dialogue from the Internet:

      Ivan: - But what the hell is the famine?
      Taras: - Yes, such that your Muscovites did!
      Ivan: - Tell me more that Muscovites came to you in Lviv and ate your children!
      Taras: - Yes, we have half of the city starved to death! And who didn’t die, they left for the forests, to be saved from your Stalinoids!
      Ivan: - Taras, are you sick?
      Taras: - It’s you who are sick, and here the old people tell us how all Lvivism ate the bark!
      Ivan: - Taras, you moron!
      Taras: - It's you Muscovite fool!
      Ivan: - Taras, in the year 33 Lviv was in Poland.
    45. +3
      29 January 2020 10: 31
      From the statement of Mr. Kravchuk: ... in order to stop Hitler, his hands were then untied ...

      I don’t know about "hands", but Kravchuk doesn’t need to spread his legs, in front of overseas owners, but to look through history ...
      Py.Sy. Kravchuk, a Polish-Jewish Jew with the surname Flag, still has the opportunity to declare that Hitler and Stalin met at his dacha. And Kravchuk cleaned their boots. That's why I heard the conversation.
      Went completely crazy.
    46. +1
      29 January 2020 10: 33
      Kravchuk was called a man with a lack of elementary logic:
      In this clinical case, it is just right to speak not about the absence of logic, but about the complete insanity involved in the nationalism that appeared (suddenly?) In 91. And these people, occupying at one time high posts in the party hierarchy, taught us how to live correctly and what to strive for. The former, and even more so the current Ukrainian political "elite" has completely degraded and cannot be restored - only for scrap (prison, gallows ...).
    47. -1
      29 January 2020 10: 39
      There was no meeting on November 13, 1940.

      INTERVIEW OF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COUNCIL OF PEOPLE'S COMMISSARS OF THE USSR, PEOPLE'S COMMISSIONER OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE USSR V.MOLOTOV WITH REEYSCHANCHANTER OF GERMANY A. GITLER
      November 13 1940 city
      Ow. top secret
      Special folder

      .... Hitler regrets that he still has not managed to meet such a huge historical figure as Stalin, especially since he thinks that maybe he himself will go down in history. He believes that Stalin is unlikely to leave Moscow to come to Germany, while he, Hitler, is not able to leave during the war.

      Molotov joins Hitler’s words about the desirability of such a meeting and expresses the hope that such a meeting will take place.

      This concludes the conversation. The conversation lasted 3 hours 30 minutes.
      The conversation was recorded by V. Bogdanov, V. Pavlov
    48. +1
      29 January 2020 10: 40
      Both two morons, Kravchuk Zelensky.
    49. +1
      29 January 2020 10: 41
      and I think that with this statement Kravchuk wanted not so much to support Zelensky as to "bite" V. Putin. VVP said in one of his speeches that “one can treat JV Stalin in different ways, but we must give him his due, he is the ONLY leader of that time who DIDN'T SPOT HIMSELF WITH HITLER. So Lenya got out with his“ masterpiece ” discovery
    50. -5
      29 January 2020 10: 47
      I repeat on your website that, according to my Soviet conversations in the Carpathians with old-timers who would not lie, Stalin and Hitler studied together at the Austrian military school, whether in Sambir or somewhere near somewhere around revolutionary time. Inquiries can be made. It is known that before the revolution, Stalin traveled to Western Europe to his subversive revolutionary congresses and returned well-dressed. From this follows the organized subversive activities of Western Europe with respect to Russia, which have been successful. Stalin evidently trusted Hitler at one time, once invited his specialists to develop weapons in Russia, and until the last did not believe in its imminent start, especially against the backdrop of incorrect soothing intelligence reports on the stability of German troops at the border. The outbreak of the war of 41 years made a stunning impression and Stalin disconnected from everyone for three days. And the Western politicum completely framed Stalin several times as a result of a long trip and even now after his death. Apparently they had complete thorough intelligence in Moscow. Now Kravchuk, in his old age, remembered something or is realizing this setup again.
      1. 0
        29 January 2020 10: 55
        2MB is a project of the West
    51. 0
      29 January 2020 10: 48
      I no longer want to see these “smart” cuckoo-faces. Dibilism.
    52. 0
      29 January 2020 11: 01
      Something happened that was supposed to happen someday....
      Mass Russophobic hysteria, mixed with all sorts of “high-ly-likes”, mixed with the denial of historical facts, infused with the delirium of high-ranking officials who without hesitation talk about the 1st Ukrainian Front as a penal company from Ukraine, reinforced by tales of diplomatic representatives about who liberated Auschwitz, led to the fact that no one needs real History today....
      Hollywood has done its job 150%. Bandera’s followers will tear the last embroidered shirt on their chests, proving Bandera’s innocence, equating SS Galicia veterans with partisans and soldiers of the Red Army.
      In a word - quantity has turned into quality.
    53. -1
      29 January 2020 11: 16
      An elderly man has fallen into insanity - it happens. But what happened to Monica Zelensky that she keeps sucking off the continuers of the mass murder of his fellow tribesmen on the territory of the Outskirts in WWII?
    54. -1
      29 January 2020 11: 25
      An old senile man with a fevered imagination. There, in the territory that is still called Ukraine, there are adequate people left, or only one Bandera bastard.
    55. +1
      29 January 2020 11: 30
      To understand where the “Nazis” like Bandera, Kravchuk, Porshenko, Zelensky, etc. came from..... there are many of them and not only in Ukraine, you need to look at the period of the 18th and 19th centuries, when the creation of the NATION IN EUROPE began with the MASONS! The financiers and organizers of these processes were then the names of the ROTHSCHILDS and their relatives the HABSBURGS!!! NATION AND PEOPLE 2 completely different things!!! The nation is a state of brainwashing of the ordinary population and scammers at the top of power who deliberately brainwash the people through accomplices in science (historians, linguists, linguistics scholars)! PEOPLE is the source of this WORD "OUR KIND"! The word PEOPLE STILL EXISTS IN ALL SLAVIC NATIONS!!! This means that the basis of the people is repaired by GENETIC RELATIONSHIP!!! The Nation doesn't have this! It so happened that there were Rothschilds, Germans and the British and the French!!! In fact, they were and remain non-national. Like the Habsburgs, they were Bulgarians and Rumuni and Greeks, and Austrians and Germans, etc. So Kolomeyski turned out to be a Ukrainian, or Zelensky, etc... Why did this scum form a national artificial consciousness among an uneducated people, because THEY DIVIDED THE PEOPLE SO THAT THEY RULED A SPECIFIC TERRITORY!
      But the most interesting thing is that the Communist Party of the USSR, IN PLACE WITH LENIN, FULLY FOLLOWED THE POLICY OF CREATION OF NEW ARTIFICIAL NATIONS ONE OF THE HEAD OF THE PEOPLE. This means they wanted to fragment ONE PEOPLE IN MANY NATIONS!!! This is how the Belarusian nation, the Ukrainian nation, etc. appeared. Then comes the technology that artificially changes the history of this nation and artificially changes the LANGUAGE in this territory.
      LENIN'S POLICY IS CLEARLY VISIBLE AT THE COMINTERN MEETING IN DRESDEN 1928. In order to expose the deception with nations, it is necessary to completely expose the politics of the Masons of the 18th and 19th centuries and who they served! Then, for the Russians, it was very important for the people to declassify the document from the meeting in Dresden in 1928.
      Otherwise, the process of the birth of ARTIFICIAL NATIONS IS THE INVENTION OF THE CATHOLIC JESUITS OF THE VATICAN AND FRANCE. AND THEY STARTED THIS PROCESS MUCH EARLIER THAN THE 18TH CENTURY!
      1. 0
        29 January 2020 11: 39
        So all the old tribes of CENTRAL EUROPE AND THE GREAT PART OF THE WEST AND NORTH AS WELL AS THE ORIGINAL AND SOUTH WERE THE SLAVS WHICH LAZIVA THE HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC JESUTES TERMINED IN THE GERMAN and others. All these VANDALI, WENDY, GOTI OSTROGOTI VIZIGOTI ITD. SLAVS. JUST LOOK AT THE LANGUAGE OF THE VANDALS AND EVERYTHING WILL BE CLEAR IMMEDIATELY!!!
        1. -1
          29 January 2020 11: 47
          IS HITLER AND THE GERMAN NATION MUCH FRESH??? This is FUNNY, HITLER ONE OF THE PURE SLAVS MADE ARISKA THE VATICAN CATHOLIC PROTESTANT NATION OF THE GERMANS WHICH THEN KILLED ALL THE SLAVS IN A ROW!!!
          1. 0
            29 January 2020 11: 52
            OR A LITTLE BEFORE HITLER, THE AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN EMPIRE! THERE WERE ALMOST 80% OF THE SLAVS AND THE HABSBURGS WERE IN POWER, WHO ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WITH THE SLAVS. THE HUNGARIAS WERE IN MOST PART ASIMILATED BY THE SLAVS!
      2. 0
        30 January 2020 15: 17
        Sorry, I didn't express myself correctly! There is no Lenin's politics, but Trotsky's politics. VERY INTERESTING TOO: Trotsky and the ego-sledbeniks instigated the world revolution and the world proletariat, and in their own state, they organized the state according to the national principle???, and formed the borders of national republics in such a way that they deserved PUBLIC EXECUTION!!!
    56. 0
      29 January 2020 12: 14
      Kravchuk's statement was more than resonant. According to him, before the start of World War II, “Hitler and Stalin met in Lvov.”
      Kravchuk needs to go to Fyodor Bondarchuk as a screenwriter and shoot in unison, the killer alternative action movie "Spy 2" laughing
    57. 0
      29 January 2020 12: 17
      The meeting of Hitler and Stalin in pre-war Lvov is not even science fiction, it is nonsense. For the same reasons as Stalin's reluctance to fly, it cannot be accomplished within one or even two days.

      If you were to consider such a meeting, it would have to be at sea, similar to the second Björkö, but that would have required a long absence from Moscow, and it would have been impossible to keep it a secret (even assuming the attendee list was incorrect).

      Kravchuk apparently drank too much.
    58. -1
      29 January 2020 12: 17
      What can I say about age? One born to lie cannot tell the truth.
    59. -1
      29 January 2020 12: 59
      If the document is secret, then how does Kravchuk know this? This news is no longer amusing with its stupidity, but rather annoying. Because what other way can you call mass delirium?
    60. +1
      29 January 2020 13: 09
      Grandfather already has insanity, but his appetite for freebies has not yet disappeared.
    61. +2
      29 January 2020 13: 33
      The last person you can trust in at least something. Not to mention the unfounded statements
    62. -1
      29 January 2020 14: 00
      [quote=Andrey Andrey]On September 19, Soviet troops approached the city and soon occupied its eastern part; the Polish side was asked to surrender the city. A few hours later, German troops attacked the west and south of the city, coming into fire contact with Soviet troops, but the Wehrmacht withdrew the troops. In accordance with the Secret Protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, on the night of September 21, 1939, Soviet troops replaced the German ones and began preparing for the assault. [quote=Andrey Andrey] On September 19, Soviet troops approached the city and soon occupied its eastern part, on the Polish side it was proposed to surrender the city. A few hours later, German troops attacked the west and south of the city, coming into fire contact with Soviet troops, but the Wehrmacht withdrew the troops. In accordance with the Secret Protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, on the night of September 21, 1939, Soviet troops replaced the German ones and began preparing for the assault. However, the Polish command resumed negotiations, as a result of which on September 22, 1939, an agreement was signed “on the transfer of the city of Lviv to the troops of the Soviet Union.” So Lviv was not Polish.[/quote]
      He talked about the meeting before the start of World War II, because Lvov was Polish.
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        29 January 2020 14: 33
        Quote: pogis
        A few hours later, German troops attacked the west and south of the city, coming into fire contact with Soviet troops,

        It turns out that for an indefinite time, the Red Army, together with the Poles, defended Lviv from the Germans laughing
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    63. -1
      29 January 2020 14: 26
      KravChUSHka is a dreamer.
    64. 0
      29 January 2020 14: 29
      Morasm grew stronger, what else can you say. fool
    65. -1
      29 January 2020 14: 48
      The devils whispered into Mr. former president’s left ear, or maybe a fool is crying for him, the old man has lost his mind and is talking all sorts of nonsense. It’s unfortunate that this is how presidents end up later.
    66. 0
      29 January 2020 16: 26
      5 years ago, Arseniy Yatsenyuk recognized the invaluable contribution of Ukrainians to the victory over fascism "Today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day. 70 years ago, fighters from Zhitomir and Lvov as part of the First Ukrainian Front liberated one of the most terrible camps of the Second World War - Auschwitz - from the Nazis," where millions of our fellow Jews were tortured." After this, it suddenly turned out that Berlin and Prague were also liberated by Ukrainians from the First Ukrainian Front.
      5 years later, President of Ukraine Zelensky repeated this, clarifying that the Nazi concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau was liberated by the troops of the shock battalion of the 100th Lvov Division as part of the 1st Ukrainian Front. As a result of successful actions of the Ukrainian and Belarusian fronts, they captured vast areas from Poland territories that Belarus illegally included in its states. Without any referendums, grossly violating the norms of international law.
      On November 12, 1939, the third Extraordinary Session of the Supreme Council of the BSSR decided: “To accept Western Belarus into the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic and thereby reunite the Belarusian people in a single Belarusian state.” The territory of Belarus has almost doubled. There’s not even a USSR here, let alone the RSFSR

      Like a carbon copy, on November 14, 1939, the third Extraordinary Session of the Supreme Council of the Ukrainian SSR decided: “Accept Western Ukraine into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic and thereby reunite the Ukrainian people in a single Ukrainian state.” The real culprits of the partition of Poland, the Ukrainian and Belarusian occupiers, still occupy Polish lands, while President Duda is hugging the President of Ukraine, instead of demanding reparations for the seized lands, he is hugging the occupier. laughing laughing
    67. +1
      29 January 2020 16: 34
      The Ukrainian Front consisted of: Zhitomir and Vinnitsa army cavalry groups led by the Ukrainian Timoshenko. The Belarusian Front consisted of: Vitebsk, Minsk and Bobruisk army groups, which on September 16 were united into the third Belarusian army.

      On September 16, the Zhytomyr Army Cavalry Group was renamed the Shepetivka Army Group, in honor of the Ukrainian Shepetovka, which captured the Polish city of Rivne on September 17, the Polish city of Dubno on September 18, and the ancient Polish city of Lutsk on September 19.
      On September 16, the Vinnitsa Army Cavalry Group was renamed in honor of the Ukrainian city of Volochisk into the Volochisk Army Group. The group was supposed to “deal a powerful and decisive blow to the Polish troops and quickly advance on the city of Tarnopol, reach the Ezerna area; capture the area of ​​Buek, Peremyshlyany, Bobrka, with the further task of capturing the city of Lviv. On September 19, a combined motorized detachment under the command of the commander of the 5th Cavalry Division of the 2nd Cavalry Corps, Ukrainian brigade commander Y. Sharaburko, approached the city of Lvov. On September 20, the commander of the 2nd Cavalry Corps, Ukrainian divisional commander F. Ya. Kostenko, received orders to prepare for the assault on the city of Lvov. But on the 21st, observing the pact on the division of Poland, Hitler’s troops left Lvov. On September 23, Lviv was occupied by Ukrainian occupiers.

      As a result of the successful actions of the Ukrainian and Belarusian fronts, they captured vast territories from Poland, which Belarus illegally incorporated into its states. Without any referendums, grossly violating the norms of international law.
      On November 12, 1939, the third Extraordinary Session of the Supreme Council of the BSSR decided: “To accept Western Belarus into the Belarusian Soviet Socialist Republic and thereby reunite the Belarusian people in a single Belarusian state.” The territory of Belarus has almost doubled. There’s not even a USSR here, let alone the RSFSR laughing laughing
    68. 0
      29 January 2020 16: 34
      And little Lenya tied the dictators’ shoelaces under the table and delayed the war...
    69. 0
      29 January 2020 16: 38
      Another beneficiary of the joint division of Poland with Hitler was Lithuania. Taking the Polish city (Vilno) Vilnius. I would sincerely like Lithuania to return it to Poland, and to Russia, Lithuania should return the port of Klaipeda and the Curonian Spit, the land that was taken from Germany and illegally given to Lithuania by the leader of the criminal communist regime of Georgians, Stalin. Since the lands were taken away from Germany, the main culprit of the Second World War, there is no need to give them back to Germany. Russia gained nothing in the Polish partition. Everything Polish was taken by Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania. laughing laughing
    70. 0
      29 January 2020 16: 42
      I hope President Duda will now understand who his real allies are and who is wrongfully occupying Polish lands. Since Poland, with the help of Russia, will be able to return its former lands, it is advisable to discuss in advance with Russia, as compensation for the troubles, the state affiliation of Pomerania with the city of Stettin (modern Szczecin) and Silesia with the city of Breslau (modern Wroclaw). Former German lands. Otherwise, it is not clear why Poland will grow greatly, while Russia will remain with only a small Russian Klaipeda, illegally torn away from Russia. We need to restore historical justice laughing laughing
    71. +3
      29 January 2020 16: 44
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      Ukrainian divisional commander F. Ya. Kostenko

      And Brest, therefore, was captured by the 6th Jewish Tank Brigade, led by their brigade commander Semyon Moiseevich Krivoshein laughing
    72. -1
      29 January 2020 16: 45
      Those who were beneficiaries of its policies must be punished for the crimes of the Soviet Union. Russia is the most affected country in the world by the actions of the communist regime. After all, even in 1917, there were 30 million more people living in Russia than in 1991. And the loss of 4,4 million square kilometers of territory, more than 2 Greenland, is not even clear how to make up for it. All former Soviet republics must pay reparations to her for the lands they seized from Russia in the amount of 10% of GDP for each year of their existence. laughing lol
    73. 0
      29 January 2020 16: 52
      Kravchuk has already admitted that he read all this from the media. He found something to read and something to believe.
    74. 0
      29 January 2020 17: 04
      I would call this Kravchuk a man with a lack of basic HONOR AND CONSCIENCE.
    75. 0
      29 January 2020 17: 18
      The Civil Code (in questions and answers) Legal Publishing House of 1929 states: The USSR is a union of sovereign states independent of each other laughing
    76. 0
      29 January 2020 17: 34
      Today it is written in Belarusian textbooks that June 22 is the beginning of the war in Brest. All these German offensive operations, then we reached the border of the Vitebsk and Smolensk regions - that’s it, stop. Further in the “History of Belarus” there is nothing about the Great Patriotic War. There is a paragraph about the occupation, about the partisan movement, and then immediately there is a paragraph about 1944. There is no battle near Moscow: it is in the course of “World History”, like the battle of Stalingrad, the liberation of Kiev, the storming of Berlin and the liberation of Eastern Europe. This is the same as if, in the “History of Russia” course, the war began not on June 22, but in mid-July, when the German boot stepped on Smolensk soil. This is the same as if the liberation of Kyiv and Minsk, as well as Operation Bagration, were not studied in the History of Russia course. laughing
    77. 0
      29 January 2020 17: 36
      In his Telegram channel, the leader of the Freedom party, Oleg Tyagnibok, said that Kyiv should demand part of the Diamond Fund from Moscow. laughing
    78. 0
      29 January 2020 18: 58
      Quote: Seeker
      I would call this Kravchuk a man with a lack of basic HONOR AND CONSCIENCE.

      The honor and conscience of L. Kravchuk is quite clearly voiced here: https://www.politnavigator.net/vspomnilos-kravchuku-ego-banderovskoe-detstvo.html “Kravchuk headed the public organization “Movement for Ukraine in NATO.” I involuntarily remembered similar actions "hundreds of brave ones", which directed German air vultures to Soviet tank units in the Tuchinsky forest. Seven decades later, a fringe politician who is losing his mind dreams of how NATO armadas, at his first call, will be able to bomb the "separatist regions", everyone who did not submit to the Ukrofazists and continues to fight." “In the “hundreds of brave youths,” the future President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk began his career as a scout. How serious an organization it was can be judged by how they monitored the tank reserve of the 1st Ukrainian Front stationed in Tuchinsky forest in 1944, followed by German aircraft targeting it..."
    79. 0
      29 January 2020 19: 33
      old senile fool
    80. 0
      29 January 2020 22: 27
      Former Ukrainian President Leonid Kravchuk commented on his statement about the meeting between Joseph Stalin and Adolf Hitler in Lviv. According to him, he is not aware of any documents confirming this information. laughing

      Earlier, on the air of the “60 Minutes” program, the Ukrainian politician said that Stalin and Hitler met in Lvov. This fact is allegedly recorded in some document and is not a secret. Kravchuk noted that Stalin and Hitler tried to come to an agreement.
    81. 0
      29 January 2020 22: 51
      Kravchuk is rare, a thief and a lawyer for all the scoundrels of Ukrainian history! To believe him means not to respect yourself and to be a complete loser!
    82. 0
      30 January 2020 01: 30
      Are they really going crazy about Russophobia? And the disease is spreading more and more...
    83. 0
      30 January 2020 10: 16
      The word has been spoken. Six months later, no one will remember that he later gave a refutation. Everyone will quote this as truth.
    84. 0
      30 January 2020 20: 02
      Kravchuk read this data in the semi-fantastic novel by Akunin-Chkhartishvili “Spy Novel”. It describes Hitler's meeting with Stalin in Lvov. Well, Leonid Makarovich loves science fiction about Fandorin. But in the novel he is introduced as a descendant of Fandorin - Dorin.
    85. -2
      30 January 2020 20: 38
      Have they all gone crazy there?
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    87. 0
      30 January 2020 21: 07
      The hosts of the 60 Minutes program are no less stupid than Kravchuk. These Russian propagandists prepare their programs very poorly. Normal people have long known that Makarych is an old senile with speech incontinence and delusions of grandeur. Without realizing it, Skabeeva and her husband gave rise to doubts among millions of similarly narrow-minded people. And you too! Which experts, which discussion? Why discuss nonsense? Now get this: the Russians don’t know who General Karbyshev is, but they know that Hitler and Stalin could have met.
    88. 0
      30 January 2020 22: 27
      After such a Kravchuk... in 1989-1990, head of the ideological department, secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine, member of the CPSU Central Committee since 1990, is it worth being surprised by the rest of its members? Shevardnadze, Yakovlev, Yeltsin, Gorbachev... And someone condemns Stalin.

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