And then - ourselves: the situation with the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline


Russia's ill-wishers, impatiently rubbing their hands in anticipation of the Russian industrial giant Gazprom announcing its capitulation in laying the most important pipeline for energy supplies to Western partners, are advised to relax. During the European Gas Conference in Vienna, Elena Burmistrova, deputy head of the corporation, made a statement that Russia is quite capable of completing the gas pipeline on its own, despite all the efforts of the United States.


Recall that under US sanctions, Western companies involved in the process were forced to stop work in the Baltic. It turns out - then yourself ...

According to the representative of Gazprom, the work on the project has already actually been completed by 94%, and the construction of the remaining section of less than 150 kilometers, located in the Danish coastal economic zone, is quite capable of domestic vessels of the corresponding profile. At the same time, various options are considered: how to use the Akademik Chersky multipurpose construction vessel, which is currently undergoing modernization, to carry out work of RAO Gazprom, and to attract Fortuna and MRTS Defender pipe-laying barges to them.

One of these boats already took an active part in the construction - it was Fortuna that laid a certain length of pipes on the Russian section of the gas pipeline. Of course, in many of its technical parameters, it is inferior to the vessels that were involved in the Swiss Allseas, but it can definitely make a kilometer a day. The main thing is that you will have to do this at a depth of up to 100 meters, despite the fact that for Fortuna the maximum is twice as deep. Perhaps the only obstacle to the operation of our barges off the Danish coast may be their lack of a dynamic positioning system, which is considered preferable in the West when carrying out activities of this kind in the sea. However, as far as is known, the Danish Energy Agency (DEA) did not seem to express any categorical objections to the use of ships with anchor positioning. The maximum that a discrepancy can result in is a fairly short time that will have to be spent on additional coordination.

Of course, the ideal option would be to use the "Academician Chersky", which has a dynamic positioning system and has great productivity, but it is worth remembering that at the moment the ship is located in the port of Nakhodka and it will only take several months to reach the Danish coast. Fortuna is right now in Germany, in the port of Mukran and, according to reports, is ready to start work when the weather is favorable for them. Perhaps as early as February 1. Together with MRTS Defender, they will be able to fully complete the installation in two, maximum three months. In this case, the main thing will be achieved: at the official completion of the construction of Nord Stream 2 by May 2020, it should not fall under the EU Gas Directive restricting its use by Gazprom.

However, be that as it may, the pipeline will be completed in spite of everything. Elena Burmistrova assured that, despite the “gas pipelines torn by political contradictions,” Russia does not intend to reduce the volume of supplies of “blue fuel” to Europe, recalling that, contrary to forecasts, RAO Gazprom’s export in this direction decreased in 2019 only 1,5%, and even then in comparison with 2018, when, as we remember, an absolute record was set. In fact, the energy security of the European Union is ensured by the Russian Federation, and not by overseas “benefactors” who put the wheels of Russian projects in the wheel.

In the Old World this is well understood. Thus, the necessity and lack of alternatives for completing the construction of Nord Stream 2 was confirmed during a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and German Chancellor Angela Merkel. And at the above-mentioned European Gas Conference, the words of the Chairman of the Board of the Austrian oil and gas company OMV, RAO Gazprom's partner in the Nord Stream 2 project Rainer Seele, that Europe “should unite to support and protect” the gas pipeline, as it is the guarantor of "independence of energy supplies to the continent and its industrial sector." Extremely sound idea.
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  1. bessmertniy 29 January 2020 07: 04 New
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    There is no doubt that the completion of Nord Stream 2 will be completed, but the Americans will probably come up with new sanctions to spoil our taste of victory. what
    1. Hunter 2 29 January 2020 07: 11 New
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      Truly Harsh Winter - Would help all, without exception, Europeans understand the need for construction ... well, in the USA - look differently!
      The gas pipeline will undoubtedly be ... like the tricks of the mattress covers.
      1. Nikitich 29 January 2020 07: 55 New
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        Harsh winters are not expected in the coming years (it may periodically be covered with snow). In the future, all these pipelines will be supplied to the industry, struggling with liquefied (which already at one price, I don’t know how request )
        1. Keyser soze 29 January 2020 11: 37 New
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          Harsh winters are not expected in coming years


          Yes, in Bulgaria I haven’t seen such a warm winter in my life. At normal temperatures at the end of January - 10 / -20 is now positive and is expected in the week +20 ....

          struggling with liquefied (which is already at one price, I do not know how to request)


          I, too, am not a connoisseur of the gas market, but liquefied prices in Europe have fallen so much that they forecast already at $ 70 per cubic meter. And I don’t know how it happened ...
          1. Nikitich 29 January 2020 15: 46 New
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            Shale gas production is being developed. .. our media is no longer rumbling about the destructiveness of shale technology
          2. Brturin 29 January 2020 16: 13 New
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            Quote: Keyser Soze
            but liquefied prices in Europe have fallen so much that they forecast already at $ 70 per cubic meter

            So one of the reasons in the states themselves was that they unleashed buoy with the Chinese, they imposed a 25% duty on American LNG, which made deliveries not a weekend, the Japanese resumed operation of the nuclear power plant, and where did the gas go - Europe ... and then Qatar and Novatek .. .
            1. Lelek 30 January 2020 00: 12 New
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              Quote: BrTurin
              BrTurin (Boris)

              hi
              Gas prices are tied to oil prices, and the latter have a tendency to fall, well, another factor is having an impact - Russia has offered “buyers” payments for “goods” in euros. One must think that this proposal will also affect the gas sector.
              1. Brturin 30 January 2020 01: 21 New
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                Quote: Lelek
                One must think that this proposal will also affect the gas sector.

                December 2018 EU plan to increase the role of the euro
                On the natural gas markets, the picture is more favorable for the euro: deals in European gas hubs are in British pounds and euros, as are contracts for importing gas from the EU into Norway. But most imports from other countries, including Russia, are denominated in dollars. To remedy this situation, the European Commission recommends that EU countries include in their intergovernmental agreements with third countries on energy supplies a standard provision on the use of the euro as the default currency. https://www.rbc.ru/economics/05/12/2018/5c07f6249a7947199114084f

                The desire of both the seller and the buyer coincided, but I think that this is not just ... we will see
          3. Yehudi Menuhin 30 January 2020 09: 41 New
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            It turned out very simple. Excess offer. Not buyers stand in line to the seller, but vice versa. And when in 21-22 years. massive deliveries of American liquefied gas will go, plus TANAP, plus gas from Israeli fields, the situation for sellers will become even more complicated
            1. Lelek 30 January 2020 11: 46 New
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              Quote: Yehudi Menuhin
              And when in 21-22 years. massive deliveries of American liquefied gas will go ...

              hi
              A quarter of shale gas companies in the United States went bankrupt and closed due to unprofitability. The United States buys Russian LNG, passes it off as its own and sells it to European natives with the sticker "THE MOST DEMOCRATIC GAS IN THE WORLD. MADE IN USA". Some "Europeans" are delighted with its smell, lose their minds and as a result fail.
            2. Senior manager 1 February 2020 19: 39 New
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              Quote: Yehudi Menuhin
              situation for sellers will become even more complicated

              Yes there is no this excess offer. Such a batch is a market, plus politics.
      2. Ren
        Ren 29 January 2020 09: 11 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        Truly Harsh Winter - Would Help Everyone Without Exception

        On the North American continent, it is right now.
      3. NF68 29 January 2020 14: 48 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        Truly Harsh Winter - Would help all, without exception, Europeans understand the need for construction ... well, in the USA - look differently!
        The gas pipeline will undoubtedly be ... like the tricks of the mattress covers.


        Most Europeans understand this anyway. But they are very much afraid of the Americans.
      4. Lelek 30 January 2020 00: 01 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        The gas pipeline will undoubtedly be ... like the tricks of the mattress covers.

        hi
        Yes it is. And yet, and yet ...:
    2. Ptolemy Lag 29 January 2020 07: 46 New
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      I would not be so optimistic ...
      1. Nyrobsky 29 January 2020 11: 04 New
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        Quote: Ptolemy Lag
        I would not be so optimistic ...

        A pessimist, this is an optimist well informed about future troubles. In this case, the opposite picture is observed. Almost all the troubles have already happened, but contrary to everything, ways to solve the problem have been found. Russia will finish building using its pipe layers. The gas pipeline was implemented at 94%, and this is a huge amount of money that are not only of Russian origin, but also of European origin, and therefore the business invested in this project will not allow them to disappear and bury the project. What, what, and they know how to count money, and the pipe will reach the German coast on any.
        1. Antonina Ignatenko 29 January 2020 11: 45 New
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          You, it seems, do not quite understand what world you live in: when the pipe is pulled, it will explode somewhere, or something will not be pumped into it, from which all the equipment will be covered ...
          1. Nyrobsky 29 January 2020 13: 25 New
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            Quote: Antonina Ignatenko
            You, it seems, do not quite understand what world you live in: when the pipe is pulled, it will explode somewhere, or something will not be pumped into it, from which all the equipment will be covered ...

            What do you pump into a gas pipe if it has a closed cycle through a network of compressor stations generating pressure from the field to the final burner? The only acceptable batch is the addition of an odorant to give an odor, so that its leak can be detected at a household level, since natural gas has no odor. As for the explosion of the pipe, the gas does not go through one pipe and technological transitions have been made along its length, which in case of violation of the integrity of the pipe allows you to bypass the damaged area while the damage is being repaired. No, you can “kick off” anything, but any action can be counteracted, which will be no less sensitive for the enemy.
      2. Uve bjørnsson 1 February 2020 12: 27 New
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        Ptolemy Lag,

        SUCH projects, and even at the stage of 94% readiness, do not stop.
        Alas and ah for the skeptics.
        Turn on your head sometimes.
        Whatever the states and their sneaky ones would build of themselves.
    3. Roman070280 29 January 2020 11: 19 New
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      В success completion of the "Nord Stream-2" can have no doubt


      So you decided to buy a car .. Took loans, paid money .. Waiting for an order a couple of months ..
      A car came .. But there is no engine .. forgot to put it at the factory ..
      They will bring it later .. in six months ..
      And the seller says - congratulations on successful purchase, you can have no doubtthat we’ll bring you an engine ..
      1. Nyrobsky 29 January 2020 13: 33 New
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        Quote: Roman070280
        В success completion of the "Nord Stream-2" can have no doubt


        So you decided to buy a car .. Took loans, paid money .. Waiting for an order a couple of months ..
        A car came .. But there is no engine .. forgot to put it at the factory ..
        They will bring it later .. in six months ..
        And the seller says - congratulations on successful purchase, you can have no doubtthat we’ll bring you an engine ..

        Maybe your example came up if the matter rested separately in the interest of the seller, or separately of the buyer, but the trick is that here the interests of the seller and the buyer are mutual, as are financial investments in the ongoing project. In SP-2, not only Russian money, but also German business money, which also puts pressure on the chancellor. Given that both parties bear the money and risks, the project will end on either. If it were 5-10% realized, they might have spit, but when it is 94% ready, they will not refuse it.
        1. Edik 29 January 2020 14: 18 New
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          Dmitry, but in fact the car is still just being built, but they have already found a buyer!
          1. Uve bjørnsson 1 February 2020 12: 29 New
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            Edik

            In fact, this “car” does not have only wipers, headlights with moldings and other butts.
        2. Roman070280 31 January 2020 12: 06 New
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          if the case rested separately in the interest of the seller, or separately of the buyer


          So in both situations, the interests of the seller and the buyer are mutual ..
          What happened to Gazprom, what happened to the car .. In both cases, the buyer wants to buy, and the seller wants to sell ..
          In both cases, a faulty pipe and a faulty machine are a dubious SUCCESS ..
          1. Nyrobsky 31 January 2020 12: 19 New
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            Quote: Roman070280
            if the case rested separately in the interest of the seller, or separately of the buyer


            So in both situations, the interests of the seller and the buyer are mutual ..
            What happened to Gazprom, what happened to the car .. In both cases, the buyer wants to buy, and the seller wants to sell ..
            In both cases, a faulty pipe and a faulty machine are a dubious SUCCESS ..

            You see, Roman, here the "assembly" is common.
            Germany and Russia have a common project and there are no contradictions. This is not about stopping the project completely. It is only a matter of postponing implementation deadlines.
            1. Roman070280 31 January 2020 12: 57 New
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              Understand..
              When buying a car alone you are the same "assembly" ..
              The buyer wants to have a car .. work on it, and earn even more ..
              The seller wants to sell, and earn his interest on the sale .. (the factory wants to sell, and make a profit, etc.)

              This is not about stopping the project completely. It is only a matter of postponing implementation deadlines.
              Of course ..
              As in my example ..))
              I repeat - I just commented once about "success"

              PS .. at the expense of time it is all written with a pitchfork on the water ..
              Again, using the example of a paid car .. You can wait for the missing spare part for it for a month .. you can wait six months .. But is it interesting to wait, say, three years ?? And five years ?? The car rots. but there’s still no motor .. Losses are even better not to consider .. consider that money thrown away in the wind ..
              It’s the same with the pipe .. I’m 98% sure that it won’t be built this year .. even our people themselves recognize it .. Americans say at least about a couple of years ..
              And there may well be three and five ..
              Well, yes .. it’s “only” postponement ..
      2. Blacksmith 55 29 January 2020 15: 12 New
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        I don’t know who buys a car like that. You need to pay when you receive the car, so in any case I buy.
        1. your1970 30 January 2020 15: 18 New
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          Quote: smith 55
          I don’t know who buys a car like that. You need to pay when you receive the car, so in any case I buy.

          200 people on the planet have already paid for the order another Tesla that will even begin to be released NOT this year
          1. Uve bjørnsson 1 February 2020 12: 30 New
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            Tesla is akin to iPhones, a lot of noise, little sense.
        2. Roman070280 31 January 2020 12: 07 New
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          Who cares how you buy ..
          I wrote only about whether a broken gas pipeline or a car can be considered success ..
    4. NEXUS 29 January 2020 13: 37 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      There is no doubt that the completion of Nord Stream 2 will be completed, but the Americans will probably come up with new sanctions to spoil our taste of victory. what

      When the SP-2 starts working, it will not give a damn about what the Anglo-Saxons will do there. The USA is trying to prevent the construction of the SP-2 at all, since afterwards it will rush about.
    5. Starover_Z 29 January 2020 16: 23 New
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      Quote: bessmertniy
      There is no doubt that the completion of Nord Stream 2 will be completed, but the Americans will probably come up with new sanctions to spoil our taste of victory. what

      Suddenly they even guess to dig the Baltic Sea! Well, or deepen the bottom in the remaining area, until ours have passed it.
    6. Karaul73 30 January 2020 08: 06 New
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      Will be completed. Five to six years later. By then, many of the European countries will be under the heel of American liquefied natural gas.
      1. Nastia makarova 5 February 2020 10: 11 New
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        will be completed until 2021
    7. nickname7 31 January 2020 19: 54 New
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      quite capable of completing the gas pipeline on its own

      quite capable

      Similar expressions became worse than the bitter radish.
      Need to say - "done, put to work."
      In the meantime, do not pay s / n Sechin and management until it is done.
  2. arhitroll 29 January 2020 07: 11 New
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    Interesting - what were the awards following the results of work in 2019 ...
    1. Karaul73 30 January 2020 08: 07 New
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      Nobody fell out of the window! There you have the bonus.
  3. rocket757 29 January 2020 07: 13 New
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    Recall that under US sanctions, Western companies involved in the process were forced to stop work in the Baltic. It turns out - then yourself ...

    It’s clear that we’ll finish building ... this year or later, that’s the whole difference.
    I guess in this.
  4. Dmitry Potapov 29 January 2020 07: 14 New
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    Itself so, only my personal desire to cut down the fine from the shedding company.
    1. your1970 30 January 2020 15: 21 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Itself so, only my personal desire to cut down the fine from the shedding company.

      It is unlikely ... this is obviously a force majeure major ....
  5. Grandfather Crimea 29 January 2020 07: 34 New
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    Baba Yaga will still be against)))))
  6. Errr 29 January 2020 07: 41 New
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    Elena Burmistrova ... Another "fictitious juniper"! wassat
    Gas linguist. A unique listist in the gas industry. laughing
    It would be silent better.
    https://www.gazprom.ru/about/management/board/burmistrova/
    1. Mityay65 29 January 2020 11: 14 New
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      General Director of Gazprom Export LLC - the well-being of our country and people depends on this cute whore.
      A great example of personnel policy. lol
      The question "Who took risks and fallbacks into account?" just becoming meaningless ...
      1. Edik 29 January 2020 17: 23 New
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        Quote: Mityai65
        General Director of Gazprom Export LLC - the well-being of our country and people depends on this lovely beauty.

        It’s very interesting for me to give you a warning or not whatOr is it in the order of things on our side?
        Write later, okay?
      2. Errr 30 January 2020 05: 52 New
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        Here, after all, Dmitry, that's the thing. Maybe the aforementioned Lena really has hefty talents in the field of business administration and therefore is able to increase the sales efficiency of natural gas abroad? In this case, the flag in her hands! But I really do not like the arguments of an absolute non-techie about the technical side of the issue. If anyone is an amateur, then let him sit down, shut up and delve into the consideration of technical issues by specialists, and don’t insert his “broken penny” into the topic where he doesn’t understand a shit just because he is the person at the moment “extremely convicted and highly authorized. " It should be more modest, for as the great combinator used to say:
        Girl, why such unbridled desires? Modesty adorns a woman ... laughing
        1. Mityay65 30 January 2020 06: 36 New
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          Quote: Herrr
          Maybe the aforementioned Lena really has hefty talents in the field of business administration and therefore is able to increase the sales efficiency of natural gas abroad?

          In theory, Gazprom Export is a wallet company, it holds 80% of Gazprom's export contracts for gas supplies to Europe. Those. The person who heads Gazprom Export should be an extra class international trade lawyer + a super specialist in gas trading risks. By the fact that for the last 7 years Gazprom has been losing a lawsuit for a lawsuit in Europe, one gets the feeling that the wrong people are sitting there and not doing that.
          Well, the last tragicomedy for the contract for laying SP-2 is already a cherry on the cake ... We get that SP-1 is underloaded, and SP-2, if in the end they finish, which is not accurate, it will be loaded at 50% capacity.
          Quote: Herrr
          If anyone is an amateur, then let him sit down, keep quiet and go into technical considerations by specialists

          Gazprom in my opinion, the last 20 years the most badly managed company in the Russian Federation. Everything is miserable there: loans are expensive, construction prices are overstated at times, equipment is not that expensive ... Corporate governance and control are at zero. It’s just ridiculous to talk about Gazprom’s contests.
          In my opinion, this is a corporate governance issue, including the personalities of senior managers and their competence.
    2. Roman070280 29 January 2020 11: 22 New
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      If she had not said - I would not have believed .. but now there can be no doubt ..))
    3. Starover_Z 29 January 2020 16: 26 New
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      Quote: Herrr
      https://www.gazprom.ru/about/management/board/burmistrova/

      But what a photo by reference ... Directly casts a bell about belonging to a business ...
  7. Azis 29 January 2020 07: 47 New
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    with official completion of construction Nord Stream 2 until May 2020 years he should not get under the EU Gas Directive restricting its use by Gazprom
    Fortune
    kilometer per day will be able to work
    150 km = 150 days = 5 months, i.e. June+ coordination with the Danes of its use.
    1. Avior 29 January 2020 08: 17 New
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      Until May, as they say in the article, it turns out that it doesn’t work ....
      1. Karaul73 30 January 2020 08: 13 New
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        Do not reveal military secrets to these top managers. Let them believe in what they say. They don’t know how to count, it remains only to believe.
    2. Ren
      Ren 29 January 2020 09: 09 New
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      Quote: Azis
      150 km = 150 days = 5 months, i.e. June + coordination with the Danes of its use.

      150 km are two strings, i.e. the length of the route is 150/2 = 75 km = 75 days = 2,5 months. hi
      1. Avior 30 January 2020 08: 33 New
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        Do you think Fortune is laying two pipes at once?
  8. Livonetc 29 January 2020 07: 48 New
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    "How famous" "seems to be."
    "Additional approvals."
    The beast is in the details.
    As you know, everything that can happen must happen.
    This is what you must always be prepared for.
    And not to the statements "We ourselves with a mustache."
  9. The leader of the Redskins 29 January 2020 07: 53 New
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    An article of reassurance for patriots. Like, we all the same "wow"! ...
    At the moment, we have a goal against our goal - Ukrov wasn’t punched, there’s no profit in his pocket from SP2 ...
    The match, of course, will end. But with what account? And the fact that “our players looked worthy rivals” we hear, I have no doubt.
    1. Glory1974 29 January 2020 09: 07 New
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      there is no profit in your pocket from SP2 ...

      I don’t remember something that promised a profit from SP-2. About payback for several years it was.
      SP-1 is not completely filled, if it is fully loaded, it was possible not to build SP-2.
      Although, of course, those who build profits are there for anyone.
      1. Karaul73 30 January 2020 08: 17 New
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        Now answer yourself. Why the hell did you need SP2? Burying many billions of dollars in a water grave. Whose vanity wanted to amuse?
    2. Roman070280 29 January 2020 11: 23 New
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      And 3 more lard paid evil Bandera ..
    3. nickname7 31 January 2020 20: 24 New
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      Reassurance Article for Patriots

      It’s funny that the US senator, with one phone call, confused all the plans of large ranks from Gazprom,
      previously this was achieved by "gunboat diplomacy". The officials, glossy in importance, were poked with their nose into an unpleasant substance.
      Policy - sell resources and buy everything, turned out to be worthless, who would have thought.
  10. nod739 29 January 2020 08: 10 New
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    In fact, the energy security of the European Union is ensured by the Russian Federation, and not by overseas “benefactors” who put the wheels of Russian projects in the wheel.
    In the Old World this is well understood.


    They understand perfectly ..
    But Switzerland was not Europe? ... If it does not understand ... Or, what is Europe? If you are not able to economically protect your companies participating in a strategic project for Europe itself?
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      NKT 29 January 2020 11: 23 New
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      Swiss firms have shed, since contracts in the Gulf of Mexico are more important than receiving cash “balances” under SP2. They have the main estate there.
    2. Octopus 29 January 2020 13: 28 New
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      In fact, the EU provides energy security to the Russian Federation, and not overseas "benefactors" that put Russian cars in the wheel

      In fact, there is a general opinion that neither Russia nor anyone else not provides this imaginary security. Safety is including the ability to stop any supplier without problems for the EU.
      That is why the available now Gazprom's infrastructure is half-finished. The EU is steadily reducing Gazprom’s share in its supplies.
  11. Dedok 29 January 2020 09: 05 New
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    Quote: arhitroll
    Interesting - what were the awards following the results of work in 2019 ...

    They still think ...
    but don’t worry: everything will be even more elegant for them - compared to 2018, another is more interesting - and what tariffs will we have for 2020?
  12. Maalkavianin 29 January 2020 09: 16 New
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    And when our pipe-layer is driven there, it suddenly turns out that it either does not pass by any regular EU standards, or even prohibits it from being there. Gazprom was beautifully punished, you can’t say anything. A lesson to our politicians and businessmen. This is how we must defend our interests. Tough and without compromise.
  13. Mikhail3 29 January 2020 09: 17 New
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    As usual, no work is underway; instead, the issue is being considered. Who was waiting for anything else? Of course, it would be possible to arrest any governor (at random, just poke a finger anywhere) or a couple of Moscow FSB colonels. One according to need, the other so that the first would not be offensive. Of the confiscated funds, it’s not the slightest problem to allocate $ 2-3 billion to buy from the company the vessel that REALLY can carry out pipe-laying works, this is known because it already conducted them earlier. Pay a good salary to the crew (they will never pay their own, it’s clear, well, foreigners at least) and it will be possible to finish the pipeline in a month. Of course, this is fantastic ...
    And I will not even consider a completely unbelievable option to take the necessary funds from the National Robbery Fund ...
    1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 11: 27 New
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      not the slightest problem will amount to allocate 2-3 billion dollars to ensure that buy the company has a vessel that REALLY can carry out pipe-laying work


      Select 2-3 lard is not a problem ..
      Here to buy a ship is a problem .. For it is sanctioned !! (to the seller)
      Even to buy equipment for a ship or its construction is a problem .. For again sanctions ..
      1. Mikhail3 30 January 2020 09: 01 New
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        With a couple of billion, sanctions like that ... this ... let go and laugh, in short.
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          Quote: Mikhail3
          Having a couple of billion, on sanctions like that ... this ... let go and laugh, in short.

          Having the whole of France (!!!!!) at hand- Hollande was afraid to get the sanctions and did not give Mistral .... And why didn’t he laugh ....

          Do you want heroism from businessmen - who live solely on orders .......
          1. Mikhail3 30 January 2020 16: 20 New
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            Strange answer. France Hollande only used a little. Temporarily and with many limitations. The President of France is just an escort user. And billions are transferred to their accounts, and they are yours. Of course, in the case of a large company, even if you bankrupt, you can’t take the whole amount in one pocket, but people 5-6 can simply stop their activities and go to live life in luxury and contentment. Chuckling ...
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              Quote: Mikhail3
              Strange answer. ..... but people 5-6 can simply stop their activities and go to live life in luxury and contentment. Chuckling ...
              - B.A. Berezovsky also thought so ... laughed .... and then for some reason his grandmas began to run out ....
              or Kuznetsov A.V. .....
              "According to the information received, things belong to Alexei Kuznetsov, which he bought with stolen funds. The total cost of the collection is estimated at 100 million dollars or 4 billion rubles. The collection was to be secretly transported to the United States in the name of Jeanne Bullock - Kuznetsov’s wife. The property was arrested and sent for storage to the Hermitage, then to the Peter and Paul Fortress, where it is currently being stored. "
              He lived happily ever after a very non-poor man, chuckled - and then suddenly bam ......
              About how they shod in Cyprus all Ofshorovtsev- who also "laughed" - boring to remember
            2. Roman070280 31 January 2020 12: 14 New
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              The President of France is just an escort user.

              The president of any company is the same user .. and the accounts in the company are the same as him, as the president of the country ..

              in the case of a large company, even if it goes bankrupt, the whole amount cannot be fired in one pocket, but people 5-6 can simply stop their activities


              If so, they would have done it about 5 years ago ..
              Why did they have to wait for some kind of ban ..
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                Quote: Roman070280
                The president of any company is the same user .. and the accounts in the company are the same as him, as the president of the country ..

                Are you seriously?! Hehe ... And, unlike our thief, such an operation is completely legal, so no one will take anything away if you do not go to the USA. Yes, you have to pay taxes. Duck for everything, and then the lawyers in the corporation. In addition, France will be confused at the feet, and the corporation can be closed or sold. All business ...
                1. Roman070280 31 January 2020 13: 31 New
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                  Here is the president of Mercedes fools .. does not want to legally bankrupt the company, and share all the money with friends according to the proposed option ..))
        2. Roman070280 31 January 2020 12: 11 New
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          Well, the Swiss Alseas considered otherwise, and dumped ..
          For it is one thing to earn lard constantly, and another thing is to get it once, and then find yourself under sanctions, and suck your paw ..
          1. Mikhail3 31 January 2020 13: 12 New
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            No, Alseas didn’t think so, I’m sure. Because there are few such orders in the world. Do you understand? A vessel can get stuck for 20 years at a joke, devouring money for its upkeep. Huge, by the way, money. So a hundred servings, they didn’t want to, but they weren’t offered ...
            1. Roman070280 31 January 2020 13: 37 New
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              Yeah .. and that’s why the Americans imposed sanctions on the sale of such vessels and equipment for the Russian Federation ..))

              The vessel can get stuck for 20 years at a joke
              Even 200 years .. Since it’s fun, so make fun ..

              For reference, Alseas has 4 vessels that paved a total of 20 thousand. km pipes, the last ship was built in the year 16 .. And by the year 23 they plan to build the fifth .. So that it also "stood up for fun" ..

              But all this doesn’t matter .. because you surethat everything is not at all what they think ..))
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                Curious. The perseverance shown during the discussion leads to some thoughts) You can steal a lot of money. You can climb high-high in the structure of government. But you can’t add your own mind and talent! And it is so insulting! There is money. A lot of! There are connections! Cho, I’m so ... so ... Bugatti bought it - I found out that for some reason the ability to control it with the machine is not for sale! HOW SO ?! Money is paid !! He climbed up to the post - and you continue to flog the jambs as in a kindergarten! What is it then ?!
                On this topic. So what, ate there are sanctions for the sale of ships? The whole question is only in the sum. Thanks to connections, skills and support, people have created a huge enterprise, and successfully earn money on it. But the management of this enterprise is a huge, hard, hopeless work. With all the excellent incomes, this plowing is for life. And the company was created for loans and credits! Sell ​​it? After all the payments, a couple of tens of millions will remain, and that’s all. Not bad, but the level ...
                And suddenly the opportunity arises to take a huge amount one-time, freeing itself from both debts and tension at once. Yes. The United States will be unhappy. So what? If they undertake hard actions against “successful entrepreneurs”, the world business elite will instantly remind the authorities that they cannot bully freely on the issue of big money. Not by Juan Sombrero. And all the love ...
                The question is that our authorities look at the background of all countries of the world not just as outsiders, but just the same ... Everything, absolutely everything except power operations (which are done not by the authorities but by the army) and Putin personally, in the company of Lavrov and Shoigu, our geniuses smack, spoil, pluck and crap. Not capable of anything except theft and destruction. Here again - the decision was close, but it was necessary a little mind ... no. Only a grasping reflex. Ugh ...
                1. Roman070280 3 February 2020 11: 15 New
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                  So what, ate there are sanctions for the sale of ships? The whole question is only in the sum.
                  If the amount covers all the losses from the sanctions, then the ship would not need to be sold .. Alseas could just send amers and finish this project .. But in fact we have that they preferred to send us away so as not to get these sanctions .. We can argue and fantasize as much as you like, but the reality is just that ..

                  And suddenly the opportunity arises to take a huge amount one-time, freeing itself from both debts and tension at once.
                  Some kind of baby talk .. First you write about business, income, plowing .. and then immediately "take a huge amount" ..
                  Here again - the decision was near,

                  Well, yes, of course - if tomorrow Putin offers Alseas a billion billion dollars, they will score for America, and they will finish building everything for us .. Only then the question is - what for Russia such "decisions" and such a "business" ..
                  We need to reason at a real level, and not from the category - yes we will buy everyone, give everyone a ton of money and blah blah blah ..

                  Curious. The perseverance shown during the discussion leads to some thoughts)
                  Here I agree ..
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                    A very effective technique) To pretend that he didn’t understand anything and stubbornly carry his own). Good luck, trollik ...
                    1. Roman070280 3 February 2020 12: 23 New
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                      Apparently, you are not pretending, but really didn’t understand anything ..
                      Although it’s even easier than I chewed you, it’s hardly possible ..

                      PS .. and maybe you understood all the same .. because you merge so mediocre, trying to save face ..
  14. Grad-Xnumx 29 January 2020 09: 17 New
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    It remains only to upgrade the vessel under the pipe layer and drive it from the Far East.
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    In 50 years, when the reserves of the main pillar of our economy are exhausted, what will we sell?
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    We survived, used to criticize ourselves for becoming a raw materials appendage of developed countries, demanding the construction of our own processing plants, and today at the highest level we sincerely rejoice and are proud that we have achieved the right to lay pipes and sell hydrocarbons to the West, Turkey and China, dooming descendants again go to firewood and coal, unless of course we do not sell them.
  17. Galleon 29 January 2020 09: 26 New
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    however, it is worth remembering that at the moment the ship is located in the port of Nakhodka and only its path to the coast of Denmark will take several months

    In fact, from one and a half to two, with stops (personally verified wink ) Not so much.
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      Three weeks, no? - this is if without stopping through Suez, with the reception of fuel and lubricants and supplies at sea. Or about a month through the NSR. But there are doubts about the NSR. In any case, the month has already been lost.
      1. Galleon 29 January 2020 11: 24 New
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        From Baltiysk to Vladik, we managed in 2 months with a 14-18-junction passage with 9 days of parking for rest, fuel and food. You also have to wait no more than a day to wait for the line of passage through the Suez, as oncoming caravans can disperse only in the Big Gorky Lake.
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        Coeyser speed is usually less than two times less than container ships sharpened on the highway.
        Although I agree, about six months - they put it in. Perhaps the source reported about six months, taking into account the preparation of the vessel
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      The academician will not go to Denmark, after modernization he will be involved in the arrangement of South Kirensky. They have their own terms for putting deposits into development. Of course, if Gazprom does not sacrifice deadlines.
  18. Ross xnumx 29 January 2020 09: 34 New
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    Russia's ill-wishers, impatiently rubbing their hands in anticipation of that ... under American sanctions, the western companies participating in the process were forced to stop work ... Of course, in many of their technical parameters it is inferior to the courts ... The only, perhaps, obstacle to the work of our barges. ..In the Old World, they understand this very well ...

    Blah blah blah ... What specific news appeared in the construction of the SP-2? Everything that is listed and printed in the article has been “exaggerated” dozens of times. What do we have in reality:
    - construction of SP-2 cost a lot and exceeded the planned time;
    - the prospect of generating revenues to the RF budget from all this “entrepreneurial activity” is unknown;
    - It has been proven many times that the United States will not leave alone any progress of Russia towards success in financial, economic, scientific, military and political activities;
    - it’s still not clear how Russia will “ignore” Washington’s similar tricks and how much more we should hear about sanctions (by the way, what is this deadly?) ...
    Naturally, one must be able to keep one's face in a bad game, but substituting it under unrequited slap in the face and spitting is absolutely unacceptable. At least before his conscience, even before the memory of his ancestors.
    hi
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      Hello the ill-wisher of Russia! hi You create screams from nothing, already burying Nord Stream-2 good In fact, during construction and planning for you We thought and secured ourselves in advance from possible sanctions by buying a pipe-laying vessel and we have the opportunity to complete the GP yourself!
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Naturally, one must be able to keep one's face in a bad game, but substituting it under unrequited slap in the face and spitting is absolutely unacceptable. At least before his conscience, even before the memory of his ancestors.
      1. Antonina Ignatenko 29 January 2020 11: 54 New
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        Even in that bravura article that we are discussing, it is said that this new type of vessel needs to be agreed with Denmark, but “there should be no problem” .... Yeah, how much did they agree on the previous version? And then there was nothing to complain about. In addition, when the US runs out of economic and political arguments, terrorist attacks come into play. What do you want? We ourselves have played along with this new reality of state terrorism for thirty years.
  19. Gardamir 29 January 2020 09: 40 New
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    When they say that the arms race has ruined the Union, the situation is probably similar now. Why is it all the same complete?
    The point is not only sanctions. Everyone is looking for other sources of gas. That the Bulgarians will freeze, no Azerbaijani gas will warm.
    1. Brturin 29 January 2020 14: 07 New
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      Quote: Gardamir
      Everyone is looking for other sources of gas. That the Bulgarians will freeze, no Azerbaijani gas will warm

      They can search and bask in anything, but the terms of the contract ...
      In 2012, Gazprom Export and Bulgargaz signed a contract until the end of 2022 for the supply of up to 2,9 billion cubic meters per year. And the compulsory buy-out extends to approximately 80% of the contracted volumes - 2,3 billion cubic meters.
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/01/29/za-sokrashchenie-zakupok-rossiyskogo-gaza-bolgarii-pridetsya-zaplatit

      Like the Poles - “We are tied to Russian gas with the Yamal contract, under which we must purchase at least 8,7 billion cubic meters a year from Gazprom, and we will do this until the end of 2022.” - PGNiG resident Jerzy Kwiczinski
      1. Liam 29 January 2020 14: 46 New
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        Again you are with Gazprom propaganda.
        Quote: BrTurin
        In 2012, Gazprom Export and Bulgargaz signed a contract until the end of 2022 for the supply of up to 2,9 billion

        Does DO not bother you? Or doesn’t it make you think with your own brains but thoughtlessly copy-paste all Gazprom husk. If there is DO, it means there is OT. There can be fines and courts for not getting this minimum. What is the minimum written in the contract?
        And yet. What did the Stockholm arbitration say about the “take or pay” principle under the Ukrainian contract? Declared it illegal in essence and rejected the lawsuit of Gazprom?
        And yet. How will the quarrel with Bulgaria affect the Napoleonic plans for the Turkish stream?
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          Quote: Liam
          DO not bother you? Or not make you think a little bit with your own brains but thoughtlessly copy-paste all the Gazprom husk. If there is DO, then there is also OT.

          there is a link, you can check with the author of the article why I used these prepositions ... the minimum level of selection is registered in the counterattack and so far it has not been canceled by any vessels ....
          Quote: Liam
          What did the Stockholm arbitration say about the “take or pay” principle under the Ukrainian contract? It declared it illegal in essence and rejected the lawsuit of Gazprom?

          The principle of take or pay has not been canceled, the amount of this selection has been reduced
          The court reduced the annual volume of purchases under the contract from 52 billion to 5 billion cubic meters. m and left the “take and pay” principle only when purchasing 80% of this volume https://www.rbc.ru/business/27/11/2019/5dde50a89a79473280b30c14
          And that there are lawsuits by Bulgarian and Polish companies on this principle .... the Poles acknowledge that they will fulfill the terms of the contract until its end ....
          Quote: Liam
          How will the quarrel with Bulgaria affect the Napoleonic plans for the Turkish stream?

          And what a quarrel is - you can source on it ... Bulgaria, at its own expense, builds a continuation of TP across its territory, here the other day the Serbs asked to help .... And whoever they will buy, so the buyer decides, they have already reserved 1 billion .cube from TANAPa ...
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      Yes, already this bullshit from Gorbachev is enough to push Chesslove like a grandmother in the market.
  20. Moon 29 January 2020 09: 56 New
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    Warm winter, packed with GC to the eyeballs in anticipation of a gas war, the glut of the gas market by suppliers of pipeline and LNG ...
    Gas supplies to Europe for Gazprom are declining.
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    Quote: bessmertniy
    There is no doubt that the completion of Nord Stream 2 will be completed, but the Americans will probably come up with new sanctions to spoil our taste of victory. what

    Looking
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      Quote: honest people
      Looking

      Where, where to look then?
      Do you still believe in YouTube trash? Everyone has interests and they fulfill them selflessly.
      1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 11: 29 New
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        Do you all believe in YouTube trash? Everyone has interests and they fulfill them selflessly.


        Why are you so about Elena Burmistrova ..))
        1. Edik 29 January 2020 11: 33 New
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          Quote: Roman070280
          Why are you so about Elena Burmistrova ..))

          Is she projecting US interests in a video? laughing
          1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 11: 37 New
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            Yes, it is she who, in the article, selflessly fulfills her interests, and you believe these slops .. But you are offended by the USA for this ..))
            1. Edik 29 January 2020 11: 46 New
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              Quote: Roman070280
              Yes, it is she who, in the article, selflessly fulfills her interests,

              It works out the interests of Gazprom, and therefore the interests of Russia!
              And whose interests are fulfilled by this person, you can see the previous places of work laughing
              "And became in 1993 the chief editor of the American magazine Russian Petroleum Investor."
              1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 12: 30 New
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                It works out the interests of Gazprom, and therefore the interests of Russia!

                Three errors in one sentence at once ..

                And whose interests are fulfilled by this person, you can see the previous places of study

                "In 2007, she studied under the American Business and Practices program at Northeast University of Boston (USA)."
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                  Quote: Roman070280
                  "In 2007, she studied under the American Business and Practices program at Northeastern University of Boston (USA)

                  Well, what can you do if American business schools are the strongest at the moment in the world? While we played communism, they did business yes
                  As you can see, I studied well and got to the top manager !!
                  Learn and in your power to achieve the same results.
                  1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 12: 37 New
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                    And whose interests are fulfilled by this person, you can see the previous places of work


                    Well, what can you do if American business salaries are the strongest at the moment in the world ..

                    As you can see, I studied well


                    As you can see - she studied just not very ..
                    1. Edik 29 January 2020 12: 40 New
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                      Quote: Roman070280
                      Well, what can you do if American business salaries are the strongest at the moment in the world ..

                      And who pays, he orders music good
                      1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 12: 46 New
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                        Here is the "music" from Burmistrovoy and listen ..))
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                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Here is the "music" from Burmistrovoy and listen ..))

                        I listen carefully, and as I look more Western composers like you!
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                        Composers do not order music ..
                        Yes, and the concept of "liking" is not appropriate, since they themselves wrote about the "payment" ..
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                        Quote: Roman070280
                        Composers do not order music ..

                        They order music ..
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                        And who pays, he orders music

                        Then it’s easy to guess why Burmistrova sings this particular song ..
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                  In my opinion, she moves towards strictly the opposite US interests ...
                  Now, if she said something about uselessness SP- I could have supported you
  • m nl 29 January 2020 17: 55 New
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    Krutikhin is a raving schizophrenic. Only a similar patient from the same room can advise to watch this.
  • Edik 29 January 2020 11: 06 New
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    Quote: ROSS 42
    What do we have in reality:
    - construction of SP-2 cost a lot and exceeded the planned time;

    Whose money are you aware of, or as always?
    Quote: ROSS 42
    the prospect of generating revenues to the RF budget from all this “entrepreneurial activity” is unknown

    I will tell you this wink Russia is beneficial in every sense, politically, economically, strategically yes therefore, it helps Gazprom in all directions yes
    Sales do not worry finish laughing
    1. Ross xnumx 29 January 2020 11: 47 New
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      I’ll tell you so Russia is beneficial in all

      And I won’t begin to speak to you as I want - I’m afraid the administration will ban it.
      With you, a person of low literacy, and therefore of dubious intellect, you can conduct conversations in the form of remarks - revelations to your “souls are wonderful impulses” ... You did not even bother to catch the difference between “Fatherland” and “Your Excellency” ...
      BUT!!! YOU PERSONALLY (in CAPITAL LETTERS) I WILL MAKE LITTLE CORRECTIVES:
      THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE HAPPEN BENEFICIALLY THAT THE STATE DUMA, THE GOVERNMENT, AND EVERYTHING OFFER THEM. AND MOST PEOPLE RESIDING IN THE COUNTRY DO NOT ARE SHAREHOLDERS OF GAZPROM ...
      Do not puff up in vain. You and your company of fermented patriots did not catch the difference between ordinary citizens of Russia and "liberals".
      Ordinary citizens believe that the country's wealth: its territory, natural resources, minerals, scientific potential, culture should serve all citizens of Russia, and in the first place. And the development of the country should occur in such a way that the majority would benefit. And, most importantly, we are not going to leave anywhere.
      Liberasty proves to everyone that in Russia everything is bad from the fact that it does not live according to the "Western patterns." And they themselves, during the first "skucher" will leave the country in the "hated North American states" ...
      1. Edik 29 January 2020 11: 56 New
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        Yuri Vasilievich, don’t get puffed up so much that you dashed off here, you wrote only because of your illiteracy and lack of understanding of the questions! But now I promise you to take up your enlightenment and will point out your mistakes drinks Although I understand that this will not reach you, but I will work with you.
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        So, let's begin!
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Ordinary citizens believe that the country's wealth: its territory, natural resources, minerals, scientific potential, culture should serve all citizens of Russia

        The bowels of Russia belong to Russia, and therefore to the citizens of Russia! When mining, firms, tenants, pay taxes for each ton produced! With these taxes ... the whole country lives.
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Liberasty proves to everyone that in Russia everything is bad from the fact that it does not live according to the "Western patterns." And they themselves, during the first "skucher" will leave the country in the "hated North American states" ...

        Yes, there is such a clan-shaped corporate group formed during the collapse of the Soviet Union and formed from such ones too! They acted purely in their own interests. And you represent their interests without even realizing it.
        No matter how trivial I was, but in fact Putin began to squeeze them out of the feeder back in 2000! And now the final stage of this struggle is going on, a balanced thought will be formed where they will choose the minister and the government! And Putin will ask them for the work done! Whoever failed, as they say is not to blame, will put a candidate from a competing group! They will are interested in due performance of their duties.
        Do not look at everything from the point of view of a communist, everything is not working right now!
        Now, even in the amendments, all controversial issues will be resolved and you will live in almost another state! We have been going towards this for twenty years!
      3. Edik 29 January 2020 14: 33 New
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        1.2 Article. Subsoil Property
        The subsoil within the territory of the Russian Federation, including underground space and minerals, energy and other resources contained in the subsoil, are state property. The issues of ownership, use and disposal of mineral resources are under the joint jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and the subjects of the Russian Federation.
        Subsoil plots cannot be the subject of purchase, sale, donation, inheritance, contribution, pledge or alienate in any other form. Subsoil use rights may be alienated or transferred from one person to another to the extent that their turnover is permitted by federal laws.
        Minerals and other resources extracted from the subsoil can be in federal state ownership, property of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, municipal, private and other forms of ownership under the terms of the license.
      4. m nl 29 January 2020 17: 58 New
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        Ross 42, Brevity is the sister of talent. Less letters, more meaning.
  • Roman070280 29 January 2020 11: 16 New
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    To the ill-wishers of Russia ... it is recommended to relax.
    Elena Burmistrova made a statement that Russia is quite capable of completing the gas pipeline on its own, contrary to all the efforts of the United States.


    I understand that if this Elena "made" a gas pipeline .. Then one could talk about ill-wishers and contrary to ..

    According to the representative of Gazprom, the work on the project has already, in fact, been completed by 94%,
    She speaks as if Russia had already done something on her own .. What difference does it make, 94% or 99,9% .. How much did they stretch over the past month ??
    At least 0,1% do it yourself !! Then it will be possible to "make statements" ..

    There was, by the way, another statement .. and why not believe him anymore ??

    The Russian gas pipeline will cease to exist while maintaining sanctions from the West. At the moment, its construction has been postponed for at least two years.
    The construction of Nord Stream 2 will be delayed by at least two years. This was stated by Director of the Eurasian Center of the Atlantic Council of the United States, John Herbst at a forum in Davos, reports Ukrinform.

    He also noted that with continued pressure from the West, this gas pipeline could cease to exist at all.

    According to him, the Russians "can beat themselves in the chest" and declarethat this project will be completed, however, in the current conditions, it may cease to exist at all.

    "I will not make predictions that Nord Stream 2 will die, but I will tell you that there is a very good chance that this will happen. And this means that the role of Ukraine as a transit state will remain, although not on such a scale as earlier, "said the analyst.

    He explained this by saying that in order to complete Nord Stream-2, Russia would need a company that would provide technological capabilities for laying pipes along the bottom of the sea. Since the Russian Federation does not have such companies, foreign partners remain.

    “But, of course, US sanctions are bloodletting for any foreign company that wants to do such a business, since all roads lead to the USA. This can change over time, although I don’t think that will happen,” Herbst said.

    At the same time, Herbst noted that it is very important that the United States continue to pay attention to Nord Stream - 2 regarding the imposition of targeted sanctions on any company that will help the Russians.

    “We need to do this again and again to make sure that any Western technology that could be used to help the Russians cannot be used, and so that everyone understands what will be next if they go further.
    1. Edik 29 January 2020 11: 26 New
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      Quote: Roman070280
      The Russian gas pipeline will cease to exist while maintaining sanctions from the West. At the moment, its construction has been postponed for at least two years.
      The construction of Nord Stream 2 will be delayed by at least two years. This was stated by Director of the Eurasian Center of the Atlantic Council of the United States, John Herbst at a forum in Davos, reports Ukrinform.

      He also noted that with continued pressure from the West, this gas pipeline could cease to exist at all.

      I understand that you represent the Voice of America? Or the Voice of Ukraine yet?
      1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 11: 32 New
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        Well understood, and okay ..
        Or is it so rare that I immediately wanted to boast of "achievement" ..
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          Quote: Roman070280
          Well understood, and okay ..

          Why are you so immediately and you can’t ask ..
          1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 11: 42 New
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            They ask when they don’t know something and want to understand ..
            But you’ve figured out everything for a long time, and you are firmly convinced of your opinion that Mikhail Krutikhin represents the interests of the United States, I represent Ukraine (or also the United States) .. and only you know the truth together with Burmistrova ..))
            1. Edik 29 January 2020 11: 50 New
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              They ask when they don’t know something and want to understand ..
              But you’ve figured out everything for a long time, and firmly convinced of your opinion

              Yes, everything is simple for me! There is a hybrid war, this concept includes informational propaganda! In this case, you work for our geopolitical competitor and post his leaflets here wink
              1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 12: 35 New
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                Yes, for me everything is simple!


                Well, it's wonderful ..

                There is a hybrid war, this concept includes information propaganda!
                With your resourcefulness, this is not dangerous ..

                In this case, you work for our geopolitical competitor and post his leaflets here

                The article posted a leaflet of the second belligerent .. And you did not even notice ..
                Have I really made a mistake at the expense of resourcefulness ..
                1. Edik 29 January 2020 12: 38 New
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                  The article posted a leaflet of the second belligerent .. And you did not even notice ..
                  Have I really made a mistake at the expense of resourcefulness ..

                  Yes, I see you know how to dodge right right already! I think I lost the meaning of our conversation? So no, I did not lose:
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  The Russian gas pipeline will cease to exist while maintaining sanctions from the West. At the moment, its construction has been postponed for at least two years.
                  The construction of Nord Stream 2 will be delayed by at least two years. This was stated by Director of the Eurasian Center of the Atlantic Council of the United States, John Herbst at a forum in Davos, reports Ukrinform.

                  Your footcloth?
                  1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 12: 49 New
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                    I think the meaning of our conversation is loss? So no, not lost:

                    We can start in the second round .. Since the ending is uncomfortable for you ..

                    I clearly adhere to your chosen line .. and the meaning !!

                    Yes, everything is simple for me! There is a hybrid war, this concept includes informational propaganda! In this case, you work for our geopolitical competitor and post his leaflets here


                    Your footcloth?
                    1. Edik 29 January 2020 12: 52 New
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                      Your footcloth?

                      Yes, mine!
                      1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 12: 57 New
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                        It was specifically to her that I answered .. completely not dodging the leaflets you proposed ..

                        The previous "footcloth" was mine ..
    2. Nyrobsky 29 January 2020 20: 40 New
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      How much did they stretch over the past month ??
      At least 0,1% do it yourself !! Then it will be possible to "make statements" ..

      Yes, not at all. But this "does not bother" at all because it is not personally dependent on Russia. The contractor left scared of sanctions. Today this problem is being systematically solved and will be solved just as in the 80s they solved the problem with pipes, when the Reagan administration prevented the laying of the Druzhba and Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipelines and also introduced sanctions. , we’ve been pumping through this gas pipeline for forty years. The trouble is that they laid it on the wrong route by digging pipes on the territory of Ukraine. If this unfinished building did not stand out like a fly on glass and faithfully performed its functions of gas transit, then in the construction of a joint venture 2 would not be ikak necessary. All these idol not so long ago, mattress-worshipers with foam at the mouth claimed that Russia would not build the Crimean bridge, that it was impossible, that it would collapse and be swept away by ice, that it was cartoons, etc. But the bridge has already been built and is working, which drove your entire audience into melancholy and despondency. And Nord Stream - 2 will also be completed. Your only "help" is that the construction time is a little delayed. However, now we also have nowhere to rush, the contract for pumping gas through the Ukrainian gas transportation system has been extended for five years, and this is 365x5 = 1825 days. If the remaining 150 km. with the available capabilities of Fortuna, it is necessary to lay one kilometer a day, 150 days, and here 1825 days !!! We will put it in centimeters per hour, but the gas will go through it. So the race for laying a pipe, which was conducted in anticipation of zeroing transit contracts with Ukraine, from January 2020 is now not relevant.
  • Jurkovs 29 January 2020 12: 53 New
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    The new information is zero. He expected that the author would write how many nautical miles Chersky had already passed on his way to Europe.
  • neoshef 29 January 2020 14: 02 New
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    The dog barks, the caravan goes on. So it was a thousand years ago, and today. The time will come, America will answer for everything.
  • Valentina Pushkareva 29 January 2020 14: 10 New
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    A poor, hungry country defeated Hitler and the entire hostile Europe, and then stretch 150 km of the pipe. Let Russophobes drink a choleretic and a heating pad on the liver - it’s easier.
  • kriten 29 January 2020 14: 44 New
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    We must work, not GOP screaming, have not yet jumped ....
  • Alex Fox 29 January 2020 15: 35 New
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    Quote: Keyser Soze
    I, too, am not a connoisseur of the gas market, but liquefied prices in Europe have fallen so much that they forecast already at $ 70 per cubic meter. And I don’t know how it happened ...

    The casket opens simply, the liquefaction process is not very cheap, but the downtime process is even more expensive, because of this they are forced to work at a loss and sell liquefied cheaper, the United States sells gas at a loss, + you do not take into account the cost of liquefying gas, to your own 70 + the cost of liquefying dumping price from the USA. All losses to companies in the gas industry are compensated by the US government. Now we consider, for example, a company’s loss from the sale of 1 cubic meter for liquefied gas goes somewhere around $ 40. this is the minimum bar, if liquefaction is excluded from the price. And how much is $ 40? not at all the cost of the paper, as it is again borrowed ... from the Fed. That is, again money is made from the air.
    Why does the US trade at a loss everyone understands that they will lose the leash from Europe, lose the hegemony of their wrappers $$$$.
  • 123456789 29 January 2020 15: 54 New
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    Once upon a time there was one unlucky and unlucky person. Moreover, no one considered him unhappy and unlucky, but he constantly kept talking about his bad luck and gradually not only himself, but other people began to consider him unhappy and deprived. He said that he was pathologically unlucky in anything - even in the lottery he could not win a dime, well, that wasn’t lucky! And this man began to ask God for help. Every night before going to bed, he prayed and asked in prayer to win the lottery. But there is no help. So he asks for a month, a second, a third ..., a year, a second, a third ... But there is still no help ...
    And suddenly a voice comes from heaven: “Well, you would at least buy a lottery ticket!”

    MB Have I missed something? There was already a tender for the completion of the SP-2 and everyone refused? What about Gazprom affiliates? MB they finish building?
  • Brodyaga19 29 January 2020 16: 36 New
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    If the speed of laying "Fortune" is 1 km per day, and the distance is 150 km, then it will take 5 months. How can she manage in 2-3 months? Or didn’t I understand something? And by the way, there are 2 threads, so it takes 10 months! It is unlikely that this barge can lay 2 threads at a time.
  • Crystal of Truth 29 January 2020 17: 04 New
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    You can finish it, but does it make sense
  • Grading 29 January 2020 17: 30 New
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    Quote: BrTurin
    Quote: Liam
    DO not bother you? Or not make you think a little bit with your own brains but thoughtlessly copy-paste all the Gazprom husk. If there is DO, then there is also OT.

    there is a link, you can check with the author of the article why I used these prepositions ... the minimum level of selection is registered in the counterattack and so far it has not been canceled by any vessels ....
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    What did the Stockholm arbitration say about the “take or pay” principle under the Ukrainian contract? It declared it illegal in essence and rejected the lawsuit of Gazprom?

    The principle of take or pay has not been canceled, the amount of this selection has been reduced
    The court reduced the annual volume of purchases under the contract from 52 billion to 5 billion cubic meters. m and left the “take and pay” principle only when purchasing 80% of this volume https://www.rbc.ru/business/27/11/2019/5dde50a89a79473280b30c14
    And that there are lawsuits by Bulgarian and Polish companies on this principle .... the Poles acknowledge that they will fulfill the terms of the contract until its end ....
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    How will the quarrel with Bulgaria affect the Napoleonic plans for the Turkish stream?

    And what a quarrel is - you can source on it ... Bulgaria, at its own expense, builds a continuation of TP across its territory, here the other day the Serbs asked to help .... And whoever they will buy, so the buyer decides, they have already reserved 1 billion .cube from TANAPa ...

    By the end of 2020, Bulgaria intends to find a replacement for Russian gas and receive 50% of fuel from other sources. This was stated by Minister of Energy Temenuzhka Petkova during a working visit to the United States.

    According to her, Bulgaria and the United States have a wide field of cooperation in the field of liquefied natural gas (LNG).

    Petkova noted that of the total natural gas consumption in Bulgaria - 3 billion cubic meters - half will be diversified by gas supplies from Azerbaijan (via the TANAP gas pipeline) and LNG supplies, Interfax reports.
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      receive 50% of fuel from other sources ... from the total consumption of natural gas in Bulgaria 3 billion cubic meters

      Those. Bulgarians want to receive 1,5 billion from other sources, but they have already reserved 1 billion cubic meters from TANAPa (or TAPa). The state remains 500 million cubic meters. judging by the commissioned capacities in the states, these are not volumes that can greatly help (about 370 tons of LNG) ...
  • Grading 29 January 2020 17: 33 New
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    Quote: Keyser Soze
    I, too, am not a connoisseur of the gas market, but liquefied prices in Europe have fallen so much that they forecast already at $ 70 per cubic meter. And I don’t know how it happened ...

    The casket opens simply, the liquefaction process is not very cheap, but the downtime process is even more expensive, because of this they are forced to work at a loss and sell liquefied cheaper, the United States sells gas at a loss, + you do not take into account the cost of liquefying gas, to your own 70 + the cost of liquefying dumping price from the USA. All losses to companies in the gas industry are compensated by the US government. Now we consider, for example, a company’s loss from the sale of 1 cubic meter for liquefied gas goes somewhere around $ 40. this is the minimum bar, if liquefaction is excluded from the price. And how much is $ 40? not at all the cost of the paper, as it is again borrowed ... from the Fed. That is, again money is made from the air.
    Why does the US trade at a loss everyone understands that they will lose the leash from Europe, lose the hegemony of their wrappers $$$$.

    In 2020, up to 25 million tons of LNG may come to Europe, mainly from the USA, where the continuous commissioning of the capacities of the largest LNG projects continues. So, in April and July 2020, the commercial operation of the second and third phases of the Cameron LNG plant of the American Sempra Energy with a capacity of 8 million tons will begin. At the end of 2019, Freeport LNG launched the second line of the plant with a capacity of 5 million tons, another line of 5 million tons will be launched in May. By the middle of 2020, the remaining seven lines of the Elba Island LNG plant will be launched, then its capacity will reach 2,5 million tons per year. In subsequent years, the peak of commissioning of large American LNG projects will decline, and in 2021 it is only planned to launch the third stage of the Corpus Christi project with a capacity of 4,5 million tons per year.

    In addition, additional 2 million tons of capacity will be commissioned in Asia at PFLNG Dua in Malaysia and Sengkang in Indonesia.
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  • Petrol cutter 29 January 2020 20: 32 New
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    Spare options I always have, in work and in life.
    Yes, they are worse than the originally planned plans, but for that they are spare.
    Therefore, I do not think that the professionals in the pipelines did not calculate the "possible risks".
  • Paramon Pictures 30 January 2020 06: 59 New
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    There is something for us, people of this country to worry about: income goes past us
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    Will be completed or not. For us, it doesn’t matter anymore, the costs there have increased so that we can’t talk about payback in the next 10 years. Profit will be received by individual individuals. And the rest taxes on bicycles, the digitalization of income, the growth of housing and communal services, fuel, products, etc., etc. An awesome plus, jobs for servants of their interests.
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    There is one caveat in this whole story. The pipeline can probably be completed before the end of the year. But what to pump on it? 60 billion. Cubes under the agreement must be pumped through Ukraine. Or pay anyway. There is nowhere else to take another 60 billion, and Europe does not need so much. On the way Tanap, liquefied American gas and a bit of Israeli. Sellers in the European market will push their elbows seriously. There is no prospect of rising prices, which raises the following question: what is the profitability of this project? You can, of course, pump gas at a loss, covering the deficit at the expense of the domestic market, but it certainly will not lead to anything good.
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      60 billion only this year, in the next forty, and there are questions here, a new contract evenly throughout the year, until Gazprom chooses limits, the touch on what will happen at the end is not entirely clear. As for Gazprom, and TANAPa gas pipelines (and how LNG plants) were built under long-term contracts - the quote from the Polish leader is higher than how much they are obliged to buy, so no matter what proposal, the minimum contractual volumes will be chosen - how much does Gazprom know who it is but the amount is not small ... You can bring it to Europe as much as you like, but no one will take more consumption (where to put it), and LNG capacities are clearly higher than the market .... As for SP-2, there was talk of stopping transit through the Poles (that's about 29 billion) they won’t stop raising, but they can reduce it - redistributing them to SP-2 ... but for now more questions ... we will see ....
  • master 52 31 January 2020 05: 45 New
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    we need to finish building as soon as possible, and on all sides we have such reliable partners that it’s scary to become