The Case of Isaac Salzmann. Corruption at ChTZ and the disgrace of the “tank king”


“Reduce Tank Superiority!”



The take-off to the management elite of the 1940s, Isaac Salzmann was described in detail in the first part of the story. In this regard, curious история about how Isaac Salzman became deputy people's commissar tank industry. This is colorfully described by Daniyal Ibragimov in the book “Confrontation”. In many ways, it is based on the stories of Salzmann himself.

The case took place on October 10, 1941 at the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander, when it was announced to Georgy Zhukov that from that day he was commanding the Western Front - he was defending Moscow. At that time it was already known that the Leningrad Tank Plant was being evacuated to Chelyabinsk, and Zhukov even asked the “tank king” to send the first KV issued near Moscow. At that time, Stalin and his entourage were well aware that only tanks could stop the Germans, and industrialists increasingly heard:

“We need tanks! Today it’s impossible without tanks. You see what the Germans will be: massive tank wedges. We must contrast our wedges with them. ”
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And the military repeated:

“Ruthlessly destroy enemy tanks!”, “To reduce to zero the superiority in tanks!”

But back to Headquarters. The conversation between Zhukov and Zaltsman was interrupted by Stalin:

- Comrade Zhukov! Comrade Zaltsman here promised members of the Politburo to produce in the Urals as many tanks a day as he was. It is a pity that he is young, only 30 years old. So, is it, Comrade Salzman?
- So, comrade Stalin!
“But what if we appoint Comrade Zaltsman as Commissar of the Tank Industry?”



Isaac Salzman with his family

According to Isaac Salzmann himself, this proposal was a complete surprise to him. He tried to answer that he had little experience and was too young for such a position. But Stalin in response called the thirty-year age not an obstacle, but an advantage.

As a result, the present “tank king” listened to the present Molotov and proposed, as a compromise, to appoint Zaltsman as the deputy people's commissar and curator of all tank plants of the Urals and allies. And Stalin added: "That's right, and transfer the traditions of Krasnoputilovites to the Urals."

And here in the book the most soulful begins. Isaac Zaltsman, obviously inspired by this turn of the matter, suggests renaming ChTZ into Kirovsky. A deathly silence reigned in the study. Further, I quote from the book of Ibragimov:

“Stalin did not understand why everyone had an embarrassed look, and asked:
- What is it called now?
“The name of Stalin,” Salzman replied, looking straight into the eyes.
Stalin took a few steps to the side and, looking somewhere in the corner of the office, he said:
“Well then, in the name of Kirov, so in the name of Kirov, so be it ...”

Another case confirming the trust of the authorities to Isaac Zaltsman is related to Nizhny Tagil during the production of the T-34. Arriving at the Uralvagonzavod with an inspection, Zaltsman discovered a conveyor littered with artillery boxes - at that time Lorenius Beria (he was in charge of artillery subjects in the government) was instructed to increase the production of shells. All this went against the plans for the release of the thirty-four, and, of course, the deputy people's commissar turned this assembly line on, especially since there were already a lot of shells in the warehouses of the plant. Beria managed to fight off the attacks of the NKVD and even personal calls only by direct order of the Supreme Commander. Obviously, it was then that Beria harbored a grudge against the "tank king."


Symbol of Victory at the gates of Uralvagonzavod

Despite such serious trust on the part of Stalin and, of course, the heroic work of Tankograd during the war years, by the end of the 40s Zaltsman had completely lost his disposition and ended up in disgrace. In many respects, this was a consequence of the post-war work of the Kirov plant - the enterprise was chronically unable to cope with the plans.

I must say that during the trial of Zaltsman, he was remembered by his younger sister, Maria Moiseevna, who lost her husband during the years of “great terror”. He was shot in 1938, and Mary, the mother of three children, was given the maximum term for the wife of the “enemy of the people” - 8 years in the Akmola camp of wives of traitors to the motherland. They released it only in 1946, after serving the entire term, and Isaac Zaltsman with great difficulty was able to register a sister with children in the then closed Chelyabinsk. It is noteworthy that he was able to do this only with the permission of the leadership of the regional UNKVD - this should be remembered when it comes to the omnipotence of the “tank king”.

Theft and corruption


Immediately make a reservation that the following facts about the career of Isaac Zaltsman and character are the results of a study of historians of the Ural branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Judging by these sources, already in 1946 they began to collect incriminating evidence against Zaltsman in the form of accusations of leaderism, rudeness and rudeness, which, however, did not bring the almighty director to feelings. So, on August 15, 1947, at a meeting of shop managers, the “tank king” declared:

“It’s a pity that Soviet laws interfere with me. If I could isolate myself from Soviet laws, then I would get the plant on my feet in two weeks, put the order in order. They would give me full power, like the partisans, I would personally immediately shoot the chief of the mechanical the workshop of Taravan, the head of the fuel equipment workshop of Zolotarev and others. ”

These words were documented, and later the commission tried to find objective reasons for the nit-picking by the director, but in vain. Isaac Zaltsman met the future director of the plant, and then the head of the chassis workshop of Alexander Krytsyn, in this new position:

"You are here, in my fist, I can hide you in prison."

By the way, in the future, Krytsyn will be promoted to deputy minister of defense industry of the USSR. Of the decent obscene words often used by Salzmann for managerial purposes, historians even made up the "top 12":

“Balda, a talker, a loafer, cheap, an adventurer, a rogue, a son of a bitch, a bastard, a traitor, a pest, a rogue, a lackey”
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For obvious reasons, the Ural historians did not dare to publish the rest.

The Case of Isaac Salzmann. Corruption at ChTZ and the disgrace of the “tank king”

The unsatisfactory rate of production of the S-80 tractor became in the second half of the 40s one of the reasons for the dismissal of Isaac Zaltsman from the post of director

But even such an attitude of Salzmann towards his subordinates was not the main cause of disgrace. In 1949, an official note of the following content fell on the table to Stalin:

“The Kirov plant in the post-war years worked unsatisfactorily. In 1946, the plan for marketable products was completed only by 67%, in 1947 - by 79,9% and in 1948 - by 97,8%. Over these three years, the plant has undermined the country with 6 thousand powerful S-80 tractors, which are essential for the needs of agriculture, the forest industry and the construction of major structures. The plant made a particularly serious failure in the production of tractors in 1948 - instead of 16,5 thousand tractors, only 13230 were produced. The plant performed extremely poorly in 1946–48. government assignments for tanks. The release of tanks was systematically disrupted, a significant number of them were released with serious structural and manufacturing defects, for which Comrade Zaltsman was reprimanded by a resolution of the Council of Ministers in February 1949. "

To justify the director of the plant, it is necessary to say that the government in the usual manner regularly raised plans for the production of both armored vehicles and tractors. In 1948, Zaltsman even personally approached Beria and Stalin with a request to reduce the production rate of the S-80 tractor from 16,5 thousand to 11 thousand, but they did not hear him. IS-4 Salzman managed to put on the conveyor, but in 1947 the plan for heavy tanks was completed only by 25%, a year later by 77,5%, but at the cost of workmanship.


Great "Tankograd". From left to right - chief designer N. L. Dukhov, plant director I. M. Zaltsman, chief engineer S. N. Makhonin

Finally, the theft of subordinates was the most important complaint about Zaltsman’s activity, as evidenced by numerous archives.

Close to the "tank king", the shop manager removed construction materials from the factory and built a summer house, for the construction of which he later drove workers for labor subbotniks. Zaltsman learned about this from the relevant persons, dismissed a colleague, and then again placed him in the leadership, but already as the head of the coal supply to the power plant. But the head of the workshop, which appears in the documents as Vn, and his deputy Dn, in 1948, were sentenced to 16000 rubles for assignment, but they miraculously served their sentences while working at the factory. The shop manager, Ian, used his official position and rewarded his subordinates, and took all the bonuses for organizing banquets with irrepressible alcohol libations.

There were more complicated schemes, which, I think, will now find their followers. Chelyabinsk Kirov at that time carried out various large orders of third-party factories, and this aroused unhealthy interest among dishonest dealers. So, large orders worth over a million rubles received from the Kolyuschenko plant and pilot plant No. 100 were not properly executed and not registered. Fulfillment of these orders was carried out through the use of factory equipment and materials of the Kirov factory. The best craftsmen and the most skilled workers were involved in the execution of “special orders”. The removal of products and parts was carried out according to forged documents under the guise of in-plant transportation to workshops located behind the factory fence. Money for the execution of orders received a fraudulent way. In order to get our hands on the bulk of the funds, in the agreement between the Kirov plant and the customer, the cost of the manufactured parts and their quantity was significantly underestimated. For example, the drive shaft for the grader instead of the actual cost of 1000 r. sold for 1 p. 80 kopecks

Another case was recorded in a motor assembly workshop. The chief and his deputy stole two new tractor engines (each for 20 thousand rubles), killed serial numbers and took them out of the factory under the guise of old ones. Then they sold it to the Kolyuschenko plant and divided the revenue of 16 thousand rubles.

According to the Chelyabinsk prosecutor’s office, all these cases were personally covered by Zaltsman, and none of the criminals was punished. And in some cases, thieves and corrupt officials were promoted to director. However, the clouds over Isaac Zaltsman were thickened seriously. As it turned out, the “tank king” encouraged corruption and theft since 1942.

To be continued ...
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka 29 January 2020 05: 59 New
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    Muture and feeding on the ground! To the place I will still recall the words of Catherine Il “he is to blame, he commanded the regiment for a long time” !!!
    The only question is, was there a boy?
    Regards, Good day to everyone, Kote!
    1. rich 29 January 2020 08: 43 New
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      F. Chuev in his book “The Winged Marshal”, based on his conversations with Golovanov, cites Alexander Evgennevich, recalling the military merits of war heroes who fell into disgrace under Khrushchev, saying:
      “The fate of Marshal Zhukov is similar in this respect to the fate of his old acquaintance - Isaac Zaltsman. However, even after rehabilitation, the Soviet party authorities continued to treat Zaltsman with suspicion. Even the name of this person seemed to Nikita some indecent ... In vain. ... Isaac was a decent man - honest, overly emotional, rude, he didn’t go into his pocket for a swear word. Always sleek. Haughty. White handkerchief in his pocket. Not ylo .. Unlike George is still alive, I will not forgive him after he Khalkhin Gol through Grigori Shtern and Yasha (prim.avt!.. -Smushkevich Yakov Vladimirovich) stepped over. The vile story .... "
    2. Olgovich 29 January 2020 10: 30 New
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      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      By bribery and local feeding! To the place will still be remembered the words of Catherine Il “he’s to blame, for a long time he commanded a regiment ”!!!

      You can recall the famous:
      "Any quartermaster after a year of service can boldly hang without trial ” (C) yes
      ..
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      The only question is, was there a boy?

      The facts are quite specific: with the names, amounts, the fact itself is mentioned convictions court.
      After the dismissal of the director, the "king" worked ... master at the engineering plant in Murom. Where did he get to the directors, and returned ....
      Author:
      I must say that during the trial of Zaltsman, he was remembered by his younger sister, Maria Moiseevna, who lost her husband during the years of “great terror”. He was shot in 1938, and Mary, mothers of three children were given the maximum term for the wife of the "enemy of the people" - 8 years in Akmola camp of wives of traitors to the motherland

      This is not scary: the wife of the President (Chairman of the USSR Armed Forces) Kalinin was in the same camp, and this did not affect his career. It was the same with the wives of Molotov, Budyonny, and so on.

      The only thing is that Kalinin’s wife crushed nits in a wizard at the bathhouse, in the heat (which is not surprising, all the same, the wife of the Chairman of the Supreme Council!), And the wife of the Salzman worked only in hard labor in the field ...
      Zaltsman simply repeated the fate of so many Soviet nomenclature and he was also lucky: he lived to a very old age .....
      1. Astra wild 29 January 2020 13: 40 New
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        Olgovich, for the sake of justice,: “any quartermaster,” said Suvorov
        1. Olgovich 29 January 2020 13: 51 New
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          Quote: Astra wild
          Olgovich, for the sake of justice,: “any quartermaster,” said Suvorov

          Astra is credited with it, but there are no convincing primary sources proving this. hi
      2. Sandy 29 January 2020 14: 41 New
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        and Zaltsman’s wife worked only on hard labor in the field ...
        “Did Salzman’s wife also sit there?”
        1. Olgovich 29 January 2020 15: 07 New
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          Quote: Sandy
          Did Salzman's wife sit there too?

          From the article:
          8 years in the Akmola camp of wives of traitors to the motherland.


          There were a lot of famous people: three Tukhachevskywife and daughter Yenukidzemother M. Plisetskoy, mother of Timur Gaidar, etc.
          1. Sandy 29 January 2020 21: 44 New
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            There were many famous people sitting there: three Tukhachevskys, wife and daughter Yenukidze, mother M. Plisetskaya, mother Timur Gaidar, etc., etc.
            I understand that eminent people were sitting there. I mean that it was about the sister of Zaltsman, Marina Moiseevna. And the wife ... And the wife is there? What about children?
  2. Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 07: 04 New
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    According to the Chelyabinsk prosecutor’s office, all these cases were personally covered by Zaltsman, and none of the criminals was punished. And in some cases, thieves and corrupt officials were promoted to director.
    But all the repressed were innocent repressed! Or because of politics! Solzhenitsyn was sure of that, but he didn’t lie! (Sarcasm, if that.)
    1. Pedrodepackes 29 January 2020 07: 40 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      But all the repressed were innocent repressed!

      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      (Sarcasm, if that.)

      sarcasm is inappropriate here, some talk about millions of repressed innocent people, others claim that they put everyone in charge. And the truth is somewhere in the middle
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      in some cases, thieves and corrupt officials were promoted to director

      Is politics here? Here, a friend of my uncle served a 10-ku in the camp for the fact that in the 46th he drifted out drunk about Stalin’s guilt in heavy losses in the Second World War, is that right? It is necessary to separate the flies from cutlets and there will be no srach in such forums.
      1. Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 08: 39 New
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        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        And the truth is somewhere in the middle
        It turns out half is guilty, and half is innocent? Is the percentage of innocents high in this case? Or what, are all those who are automatically innocent of "political" articles? After all, there was such a thing as an “amalgam”, only among Shalamov, the “politicians” were supposedly “sewn up”, but in fact, on the contrary, they were mainly “politicians” attached to the criminal.
        1. Pedrodepackes 29 January 2020 14: 04 New
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          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          It turns out half is guilty, and half is innocent? Is the percentage of innocents high in this case?

          you are too straightforward expression
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          the truth is somewhere in the middle

          it's not a wifi, and not
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          average

          and as the opponent correctly put it later
          Quote: HanTengri
          it is located exactly where it should be, but we, unfortunately, do not know where, due to the lack of unbiased research, on this subject
          1. Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 14: 49 New
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            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            it is located exactly where it should be, but we, unfortunately, do not know where, due to the lack of unbiased research on this subject
            What a lack ?! There is help:
            At the end of 1953, another certificate was prepared at the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs. On the basis of the statistical reports of the 1st special department of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs, the number of persons convicted of counter-revolutionary and other especially dangerous state crimes for the period from January 1, 1921 to July 1, 1953 was called 4 people (January 060, 306 in the name of G. M. Malenkov and N. S. Khrushchev sent a letter signed by S. N. Kruglov with the contents of this information).
            This figure was made up of 3 convicts for counter-revolutionary crimes and 777 for other especially dangerous state crimes. The latter were not convicted under the 380th, but under other articles equated to it; First of all, in paragraphs. 282 and 926 tbsp. 58 (especially dangerous banditry) and Art. 2-3 (military espionage). For example, part of the Basmachi was convicted not under the 59th, but under the 193th article. (See table No. 24).
            And to the "political" articles, almost all articles of the Criminal Code of 37 have analogues in the modern Criminal Code. Only "counterrev. Crimes" are replaced by terrorism and extremism. But you will not find in the Criminal Code 37 of the article "for insulting the feelings of believers", for example, in its purest form a political article!
            1. Pedrodepackes 29 January 2020 15: 50 New
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              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              It based on statistical reporting

              people write statistics, if we took statistical information from any concentration camp, then we would have to apologize to the Nuremberg for the Nuremberg (unless of course we look at the mass graves and gas stoves). Many say that Khrushch cleaned up the archives so that his friends remove the blame for the repression. And the fact that convicts feature such harsh articles as espionage, it is known how they were beaten out.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              But you will not find in the Criminal Code 37 of the article "for insulting the feelings of believers", for example, in its purest form a political article!

              For what ears it can be pulled to politics, I do not understand.
              1. Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 16: 18 New
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                Quote: Pedrodepackes
                people write statistics, if we took statistical information from any concentration camp, then we would have to apologize to the Nazis for Nuremberg (unless of course we look at the mass graves and gas stoves)
                What a set of words. Those. statistics was not necessary? It’s good to equalize the statistics of Nazi extermination camps with the statistics of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs.
                Quote: Pedrodepackes
                For what ears it can be pulled to politics, I don’t understand
                Those. people can be “legally” prosecuted for criticizing the clericalization of the country, but you don’t understand this?
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                Here, a friend of my uncle served a 10-ku in the camp for the fact that in the 46th he drunkenly blundered about Stalin's guilt in heavy losses in the Second World War
                People post pictures with priests in an unsightly form, and they get a criminal case, the only difference is in terms of time, do you catch it?
                1. Pedrodepackes 29 January 2020 18: 00 New
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                  It’s good to equalize the statistics of Nazi extermination camps with the statistics of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs.

                  just don’t need to wring the handles iterally in the wave. What does it mean to equalize? Do not equalize, but compare. A set of words ... instead of thoughts. Don’t you know about the ICRC’s visits to Nazi concentration camps and what conclusions were made? In the same way, the proletarian petrel sang about the "nightingales", then, however, he saw the light, for which he was sent to the forefathers.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  For what ears it can be pulled to politics, I don’t understand
                  Those. people can be “legally” prosecuted for criticizing the country's clericalization

                  so it depends on what kind of criticism it was impossible to criticize power under Stalin at all, and you just boldly criticized the church.
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                  People post pictures with priests in an unsightly form, and they get a criminal case,

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                  catch?

                  Nope, I’m out of the video and pictures about our Duma and even ... myself, so to speak, in an unsightly form and looked and posted and nothing. But when he was studying at school, someone had a stand with the muzzles of the TsKKPSS Politburo, and removed and lying on the back of the yard, cut ... what a howl rose.
                  1. Vladimir_2U 30 January 2020 04: 16 New
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                    Quote: Pedrodepackes
                    just don’t need to wring the handles iterally in the wave.

                    Pass on the personality, rude? It is clear, because the argument "sub-zero" so to speak.
                    Quote: Pedrodepackes
                    Don’t you know about the ICRC’s visits to Nazi concentration camps and what conclusions were made? In the same way, the proletarian petrel sang about "nightingales"
                    Wow. Well, recall how many times and when the IWC visited Auschwitz, for example? An easier task, Treblinka, but what is nothing?
                    And what do you mention M. Gorky, what does he have to do with the statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? If only to drag something?
                    Quote: Pedrodepackes
                    so it depends on what criticism, power under Stalin could not be criticized at all
                    Yes, yes, what a foolishness! "On criticism and self-criticism" Stalin. Immediately quotes:
                    https://public.wikireading.ru/15042
                    The caliber gives examples, and this is not the only one, the truth of its "interpretation" is something

                    And how much is in other archives.
                    Quote: Pedrodepackes
                    But when he was studying at school, someone had a stand with the muzzles of the TsKKPSS Politburo, and removed and lying on the back of the yard, cut ... what a howl rose.
                    And what, no one was shot even twice! It’s not funny to compare a specific “article”, even with short terms, with this
                    Quote: Pedrodepackes
                    wow what howl rose


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                    and you boldly criticized the church
                    And I very carefully formulated, very streamlined, for well, to hell with it.
                    1. Pedrodepackes 30 January 2020 07: 39 New
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                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Go to the person, rude?

                      Where? You are a woman?!!
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                      Wow. Well, recall how many times and when the IWC visited Auschwitz, for example? An easier task, Treblinka, but what is nothing?

                      Well, firstly, you mention the death camps, the ICRC was not allowed to go there, although even there the official registration of the killed people went very badly.
                      The exact number of deaths at Auschwitz is impossible to establish, since many documents were destroyed. In addition, the Germans did not record victims sent to gas chambers immediately upon arrival.

                      Regarding visits by the ICRC to labor and other concentration camps:
                      According to the report, Red Cross contacts with German internment camps began on September 23, 1939 with a visit to the largest German camp for Polish prisoners of war. The German government allowed the Red Cross to monitor food supplies to the camps in all cases that did not affect German citizens
                      Soon letters of appreciation from the Jewish internees rained for food parcels. It was also possible to make unlimited anonymous food supplies to the camps. Prisoners who worked daily received food with a calorie content of 2750 kcal - this norm was more than twice the ration for German residents in occupied Germany after the war. The report noted that prisoners had access to medical care, patients were sent to the hospital.
                      The report said that "as many as 9.000 parcels were collected daily." From the autumn of 1943 until May 1945, about 1.112.000 parcels with a total weight of 4500 tons were sent to concentration camps "(vol. III [1] p. 80.). In addition to food, clothes and medicines were contained there." Parcels were sent to Dachau, Buchenwald, Zangerhausen, Sachsenhausen, Oranienburg, Flossenburg, Landsberg am Lech, Flöha, Ravensbrück, Hamburg-Neuengamme, Mauthausen, Theresienstadt, Auschwitz, Central and South Bergen in Germany “The main recipients were Belgians, Dutch, French, Greeks, Italians, Norwegians, Poles, and stateless Jews” (vol. III, p. 83).
                      you read like that, well, just tears of tenderness ...
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                      And what do you mention M. Gorky, what does he have to do with the statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?

                      to the fact that he also had a hand in varnishing reality so that there are no contradictions with the statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, is it so hard for you to understand?
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      And how much is in other archives.

                      a lot, but what happened to the critics then?
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                      And what, no one was shot even twice! It’s not funny to compare a specific “article”, albeit with short terms

                      I wonder, do you have the ability to think? Do you see the difference between the 36th and the 76th year? Did you understand the analogy? I see no.
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                      And I very carefully formulated, very streamlined, for well, to hell with it.

                      and this is the Stalinist legacy sitting in you, which I tried to convey to you about the cut portraits of the muzzle from the Central Committee. hi
                      1. Vladimir_2U 30 January 2020 08: 32 New
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                        Quote: Pedrodepackes
                        And what do you mention M. Gorky, what does he have to do with the statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
                        to the fact that he also had a hand in varnishing reality so that there are no contradictions with the statistics of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, it’s so hard for you
                        This is an owl and a globe, I understand that! When did Gorky die, and when did they draw up the certificate? Time machine in a single head.
                        Quote: Pedrodepackes
                        just don’t need to wring the handles iterally in the wave.
                        Pass on the personality, rude? It is clear, because the argument "sub-zero" so to speak.
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                        Go to the person, rude?
                        Where? You are a woman?!!
                        Definitely rudeness based on speculation, it is possible that idle, and very similar to women’s. At least somewhere you bring hysterical notes in my comments.
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                        you read like that, well, just tears of tenderness ...
                        What is the tears of tenderness welling up? And who after this is "inclined to wring" pens? Who is we so teary?
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                        Don’t you know about the ICRC’s visits to Nazi concentration camps and what conclusions were made?

                        Quote: Pedrodepackes
                        Well, firstly, you mention the death camps, the ICRC wasn’t allowed there, although even there the official registration of the killed people went badly
                        Oh, how quickly they went back down, as the Nazi camps immediately began to distinguish, these good ones, and these bad ones. And just a couple of examples poke his nose. Although it’s already so clear to you that the camps of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, albeit predominantly because "political" that the Nazi extermination camps (which I wrote about right away, but you're not a reader, you're a writer) are all one.

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                        a lot, but what happened to the critics then?
                        And what? Everyone under trial? Either there was criticism, or balabol about
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                        so it depends on what criticism, power under Stalin could not be criticized at all
                        do not.
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                        that's interesting, you have the ability to think
                        You pile up a bunch of absurdities, attract examples, completely "left", by the ears,
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                        And I very carefully formulated, very streamlined, for well, to hell with it.
                        and this is the Stalinist legacy sitting in you, which I tried to convey to you about the cut portraits of the muzzle from the Central Committee.
                        Just an example of logic and consistency, but I can not think. Well, you naughty worshiper, for example, show yourself obsolete "Stalin's legacy." And we’ll see if you’ll be issued a hooligan, or an insult to feelings.
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                        This is an owl and a globe, I understand that! When did Gorky die, and when did they draw up the certificate?

                        my young friend, and the certificate was based on what? According to reports from the field at the appropriate time, if you do not understand, obviously not according to Gorky?
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                        Who is we so teary?

                        now in truth, when God wants to punish a person, he deprives him of reason, do you understand sarcasm?
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                        Oh, how quickly they went back down, as the Nazi camps immediately began to distinguish, these good ones, and these bad ones.

                        about good or bad, where is it? I wrote immediately
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                        then we would have to apologize to the Nazis for Nuremberg (unless of course we look at the mass graves and gas stoves)

                        or is your memory bad too?
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                        And just a couple of examples poke his nose.

                        so you have to poke your nose to recover memory
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                        You pile up a bunch of absurdities, attract examples, completely "left", by the ears

                        how are you aptly about yourself lol
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                        Well, you naughty worshiper, for example, show yourself obsolete "Stalin's legacy."

                        good example laughing , and you think, if you are not a naughty worshiper, then everything will get away with you, at least in a nickle wassat
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                        And we’ll see if you’ll be issued a hooligan, or an insult to feelings.

                        it’s one thing to arrange orgies in the church, another is to insult a person, for the first they will slap an insult to feelings (and they’ll do it right, I’ll file the first lawsuit in court), and for the second - in a nick wassat , well, or a hooligan who likes something
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                        but I don’t know how to think.

                        here is the only correct your judgment good
          2. karabass 30 January 2020 20: 46 New
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            only a complete layman can believe the SOVIET stat data. the truth is terrible millions of Russian people are ruined by the Soviet regime
    2. Hantengri 29 January 2020 10: 49 New
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      Quote: Pedrodepackes
      And the truth is somewhere in the middle

      Truth is not an arithmetic mean and it is located exactly where it should be, but we, unfortunately, do not know where, due to the lack of unbiased research, on this topic.
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      Here, a friend of my uncle served a 10-ku in the camp for the fact that in the 46th he drifted out drunk about Stalin’s guilt in heavy losses in the Second World War, is that right?

      One friend of mine, too, at one time howled that grandfather, in the 47th, was shot for a joke about Stalin. Then "suddenly" shut up. Because, from the copy of the case received on hand, it turned out that the grandfather, as part of the organized crime group, was engaged in robbery and murder, and that the whole “gang” received the whole gang for attacking the collectors (or who, then, brought the money?), As a result which one small but Soviet plant, on the eve of (importantly) November 7, was left without a salary and bonus.
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        Quote: HanTengri
        One friend of mine

        you yourself correctly said about
        Quote: HanTengri
        lack of unbiased research
        and they pulled some acquaintance, it’s not known by what article he was sitting, but the aforementioned uncle had 58-10. But what about the many "spies" who "work" for intelligence in various countries, from Germany to some Lesotho, or the case for schoolchildren, whose case I personally held in my hands, who, playing the Decembrists, created under the guidance of a student " secret society ", and for this" to Kolyma "thundered. And what to believe all this? Undoubtedly there were those who deserved the camp then, but after all there were many who were planted illegally, for example, the CZIR or the ChSVN, for what?
        1. Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 14: 53 New
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          Here, a friend of my uncle served a 10-ku in the camp for the fact that in the 46th he drifted out drunk about Stalin’s guilt in heavy losses in the Second World War, is that right?
          Attach an uncle not even his own, but a friend, but at the same time blame
          Quote: HanTengri
          One of my acquaintances, too, at one time howled that grandfather, in the 47th, was shot for a joke about Stalin. Then "suddenly" shut up.
          it somehow doesn’t look very consistent.
          1. Pedrodepackes 29 January 2020 15: 52 New
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            Attach an uncle not even his own, but a friend,

            and you Hantengri or Vladimir_2U or work under two nicknames? Not good ....
            1. Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 16: 21 New
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              What is it? Two comments to bring together somewhere forbidden? Moreover, one was a direct answer to mine, and both on the same topic.
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          Quote: Pedrodepackes
          you yourself correctly said about
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          lack of unbiased research
          and they pulled some acquaintance, it’s not known by what article he was sitting, but the aforementioned uncle had 58-10.

          Those. You can mention "... from a friend uncle ...", but I don’t? lol Strange ... And, yes, I was talking specifically about research, on the basis of a fairly representative sample, and not on the basis of several particular cases known to me and you.
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            Those. You can mention "... from a friend uncle ...", but I don’t?

            not that it’s possible, I’ve given my uncle as an example along with the schoolchildren, and you remember your third time in my memory as opposed to the system.
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            And, yes, I was talking specifically about research, based on a fairly representative sample
            and, yes, I agreed with you if you did not understand
            1. Hantengri 29 January 2020 21: 17 New
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              not that it’s possible, I’ve given my uncle as an example along with the schoolchildren,

              Yes?
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              Is politics here? Here, a friend of my uncle served a 10-ku in the camp for the fact that in the 46th he drifted out drunk about Stalin’s guilt in heavy losses in the Second World War, is that right? It is necessary to separate the flies from cutlets and there will be no srach in such forums.

              Even here I don’t see any schoolchildren! laughing
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              you remember your third time in my memory as opposed to the system.

              What do you mean by "system"?
        3. Hantengri 29 January 2020 15: 59 New
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          for example, CHSIR or ChSVN, what are they for?

          "58-12. Failure to report a reliably known, imminent or committed counter-revolutionary crime: from 6 months in prison."
          Here for it.
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            "58-12. Failure to report a reliably known, imminent or committed counter-revolutionary crime: from 6 months in prison."

            well, I can read, the question is how these data were knocked out, for example, how could the wife know about the "acts" of her husband, who had just surfaced during interrogations with an addiction. But almost all the wives of the repressed were transplanted. It got to the point that the man was "taken" in Moscow, and relatives of 58-12 were attracted beyond the Urals. I would not want to be in their place, and you?
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              well, I can read, the question is how these data were knocked out, for example, how could the wife know about the "acts" of her husband, who had just surfaced during interrogations with an addiction.

              The question was about legality:
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              but there were many illegally planted for example, CHSIR or ChSVN, what are they for?

              The answer is legal, according to article 58-12. The question is settled. Drool and snot, about the "knocked out" leave the impressionable young ladies, for objective statistics "knocking out" / "not knocking out" at the moment does not exist. Your ideas about this are nothing more than the result of an uncritical attitude to narrative sources.
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                Drool and snot, about the "knocked out" leave the impressionable young ladies, for objective statistics "knocking out" / "not knocking out" at the moment does not exist.

                yes, yes, yes, but what about, for example, Rokossovsky, and thousands of people planted even by Beria under Yezhov, and tens of thousands of rehabilitated? This is all the impressionable young women wrote?
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                are nothing more than the result of an uncritical attitude to narrative sources.

                what clever words are probably for greater importance
                Resolution of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b)
                November 17 1938 years
                ABOUT ARRESTS, PROSECUTOR SURVEILLANCE AND CONDUCT OF INVESTIGATIONS
                The main shortcomings revealed recently in the work of the NKVD and the Prosecutor’s Office are the following:
                Firstly, the NKVD officers completely abandoned the intelligence work, preferring to act in a more simplified way, through the practice of mass arrests, without worrying about the completeness and high quality of the investigation.
                The NKVD workers were so weaned from painstaking, systematic intelligence work and so got into the taste of a simplified procedure for the production of cases that until very recently they raised questions about providing them with so-called “limits” for conducting mass arrests.
                Secondly, the biggest drawback of the work of the NKVD bodies is the deeply rooted simplified procedure for the investigation, in which, as a rule, the investigator confines himself to receiving a guilty plea from the accused and does not care at all to back up the confession with the necessary documentary evidence (witness statements, expert reports, material evidence etc.)
                Often, the arrested person is not interrogated within a month after the arrest, sometimes more. During interrogations, arrested, interrogation protocols are not always maintained. Often there are cases when the testimony of the arrested person is recorded by the investigator in the form of notes, and then, after a long time (a decade, a month, even more), a general protocol is drawn up, and the requirement of Article 133 of the Code of Criminal Procedure on verbatim, if possible, recording the arrested’s testimony is not complied with . Very often, the interrogation protocol is not drawn up until the arrested person confesses to the crimes he committed. There are frequent cases when the testimony of the accused does not appear at all in the interrogation record, refuting one or another of these charges.
                Investigative cases are drawn up sloppy, drafts are entered into the case, pendent records unknown by someone unknown and crossed out, the testimonies that are not signed by the interrogated and not certified by the investigator are placed, the unsigned and unapproved indictments are included, etc.
                For their part, the prosecution authorities do not take the necessary measures to eliminate these shortcomings, reducing, as a rule, their participation in the investigation to simple registration and stamping of investigative materials. The prosecution authorities not only do not eliminate violations of revolutionary legality, but actually legitimize these violations.
                Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR V. MOLOTOV
                Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) I. STALIN
                R. Kosolapov. A word to comrade Stalin. S. 154-160, State Security Organs of the USSR on the Eve of World War II. Collection of documents. T. 1. On the eve. Prince 1 (November 1938 - December 1940). M., 1995 C 3-9
                Perhaps this is also a narrative source.
                For reference, R. I. Kosolapov is an ideological communist. According to some reports, R.I. Kosolapov played an important role in the restoration of V.M. Molotov in the ranks of the CPSU, which followed in 1984.
                As a supporter of I.V. Stalin, in 1997 he initiated the continuation of the publication of the collected works of I.V. Stalin, begun by the Marx-Engels-Lenin Institute under the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in 1946 and interrupted in 1951 after the release of the 13th volume essays. 14-18 volumes were issued, the preface to which was written by R. I. Kosolapov. According to evidence, Kosolapov does not like the word "Stalinist" and calls himself a Stalinist.

                In 2002, R. I. Kosolapov released the collection “The Word to Comrade Stalin,” in which he collected the most famous works and speeches of Stalin and documents relating to him. The release of this collection received a different rating in various circles, including a negative one.
                1. Hantengri 29 January 2020 22: 29 New
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                  Perhaps this is also a narrative source.

                  This is a document proving a violation of the CPC. But I talked about statistics, in particular, about the ratio of the number of emancipated, to obtain a confession, CSIR and ChSVN, to the number of those CSIR and ChSVN which did not have to be snoozed. Is she in this document?
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                    Is she in this document?

                    in general, if you noticed who signed the document, then the overall picture is presented in a smoothed form, although, here are such lines
                    Quote: Pedrodepackes
                    Very often, the interrogation protocol is not drawn up until the arrested person confesses to the crimes he committed. There are frequent cases when the testimony of the accused does not appear at all in the interrogation record, refuting one or another of these charges.
                    make it clear how it all happened. If you want blood, I can, of course, give examples, but you have taken the position of "upside down", so I don’t see the point in this.
                  2. Astra wild 30 January 2020 18: 56 New
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                    Khan Tengri, like you, I grew up under the Soviet regime and I am not pleased to read libel and fabrications about my HAPPY childhood.
                    Let's be fair: there were a lot of dark and brutal in our past.
                    One of the darkest pages - 1937-38. They spoke a lot to me at school about “violation of socialist legality”. Until recently, I believed that: Tukhachevsky, Blucher, Yakir and so on were "crystal clear" people, and now this pops up about them.
                    Okay, they are enemies, although it is not clear why they lied to us about them, but what is their fault: the wife and daughter of Tukhachevsky or the ex-wife of Blucher?
                    Most of us were told that Stalin was rude, Stalin violated this and that, and the party corrected the excesses and I BELIEVED. And now new publications have appeared: Martirosyan, the Kremlin and it seems that the Traitors were in the Central Committee
          2. Vladimir_2U 30 January 2020 03: 48 New
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            That's interesting, "Failure to report on a reliably preparing act." How much is it pulling now?
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              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              "Failure to report on a reliably preparing act." How much is it pulling now?

              maybe it pulls, but if it really is. This is not about the crime itself, but about the punishment for a fictitious crime.
  • rocket757 29 January 2020 07: 09 New
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    And the Soviet past was not perfect ... corruption, theft ... the mafia is immortal.
    You just have to accept the story of EVERYTHING as it is, and not so - I remember here, but I don’t remember there.
    1. Looking for 29 January 2020 16: 46 New
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      history cannot be perceived. as it is. but then it is history. It must be perceived as such. what it WAS.
      1. rocket757 29 January 2020 18: 37 New
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        No problem. There was, is, those events that are to be, will also become history, for the next generations.
    2. Reptiloid 30 January 2020 13: 22 New
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      Good afternoon, Victor! fellow
      Quote: rocket757
      ... corruption, theft ... the mafia is immortal.
      You just have to accept the story of EVERYTHING as it is, and not so - I remember here, but I don’t remember there.
      Well yes! Thieves --- they stole, the rappers ---- carried, the hand of a soap and a hand ---- this is often heard now about the USSR, and the economy was somehow wrong ...... then the privatizers came and privatized .... .. now almost 30 years spent the Soviet inheritance, in various forms left ..... while the words ---- the entire inheritance was spent ...... and then again, it turns out that no, not everything ... .
      1. rocket757 30 January 2020 13: 43 New
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        The thieves --- stole, the raptors ---- carried, the hand of the hand of soap ---- this is often heard now about the USSR, and the economy was somehow wrong ..

        Hi Dmitry soldier
        What was, was. It is not possible to compare, the level of theft, corruption was much less ... although traffic cops TAKE ALWAYS! They couldn’t get too fat on that, because they were afraid, and then they couldn’t buy a cottage in the Canary Islands.
        About the economy in general, it’s impossible to talk about simple things ... for a long time.
        Times were calmer, more reliable, for all who honestly lived and worked.
        Trying to compare the incomparable is to break the head for yourself and others.
        1. Reptiloid 30 January 2020 14: 01 New
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          What I mean is that the stamps worked out over the years, the speed of speech ----- are superficial, without internal content. Probably, the building seal has already ended, causing protests. But this was because for more than 20 years the new was built on communications from the USSR .... As I wrote earlier ---- kilometers of wastelands were equipped with underground communications under the USSR for the designed construction. One of such wastelands near my house is not yet completely built up, and I saw communications 18 years ago when I moved.
          Probably, such groundwork for the future in different sectors was created.
          1. rocket757 30 January 2020 14: 05 New
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            Probably, such groundwork for the future in different sectors was created.

            Backlogs are not eternal! Besides, it all ends with time.
            It is already necessary to do your own, and not crawl on what was left.
            1. Reptiloid 30 January 2020 14: 17 New
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              .... Backlogs are not eternal! Besides, it all ends with time.
              It is already necessary to do your own, and not crawl on what was left.
              laughing Who argues, Victor! But when they begin to show the decrepit housing of the Russians, which is being destroyed throughout the country in spite of the programs, the comparison is in favor of the USSR
              1. rocket757 30 January 2020 14: 27 New
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                We again come back to how it was then. It was different, but then the state was for people in general, and now, who are we for not our state ....
                The question is, why did we assume that it became so.
                This is a question that risks becoming, if not eternal, then for a very long time.
                Although, it’s high time from the question of what to do, it’s easy to go to the option to DO!
                1. Reptiloid 30 January 2020 14: 51 New
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                  ...... Although, it’s high time from the question of what to do, it’s just DOING to go to the option!
                  good It's like that! Probably, there should be some other number of different infringements before a significant part of the population comes to such thoughts
                  1. rocket757 30 January 2020 14: 55 New
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                    No bj-ws there is no casualty! It is necessary, it is necessary, to stir up these bees, which many in power are successfully doing.
                    1. Reptiloid 30 January 2020 15: 03 New
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                      No bj-ws there is no casualty! It is necessary, it is necessary, to stir up these bees, which many in power are successfully doing.

                      Yeah !!!!!! laughing Digging a hole to fall there negative loosen the chairs on which they sit ---- they say where to keep silent. And they appropriate, and ascribe and deduce ----- not to count. It should work.
                      1. rocket757 30 January 2020 19: 54 New
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                        Those guys are happy to be quiet, but insolent and unlearned.
                      2. Reptiloid 30 January 2020 20: 02 New
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                        Those guys are happy to be quiet, but insolent and unlearned.

                        lol somehow very quickly they became convinced of their superiority at the expense of others negative
                      3. rocket757 30 January 2020 20: 46 New
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                        Our treasury is not small, but full of holes ... or rather there is no one to truly preserve it! Here are the kids and insolent!
  • kalibr 29 January 2020 08: 01 New
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    Soon there will be my material according to the Penza archive of the OK CPSU with the reports of the head of the NKVD department to the first secretary of the city committee for 37 years - there it is all the same or almost the same, only the factories are different ... Khapovstvo, nepotism, theft - all this is ineradicable in people of low cultures living in conditions of commodity shortage and social disorder. "We live once!" they say, and that justifies everything. A life of at least three generations is needed in abundance, in conditions of stability, so that certain social skills are developed. And three generations are a century. A hundred years! And the question is: have we ever had stability in the country from 1900 to 2000?
    1. Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 08: 06 New
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      Quote: kalibr
      Hacking, nepotism, theft - all this is ineradicable in people of low culture, living in conditions of commodity shortage and social disorder
      Words by Suvorov A.V. about quartermasters to what period to attribute?
      1. svp67 29 January 2020 08: 32 New
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        Words by Suvorov A.V. about quartermasters to what period to attribute?

        To the whole history of mankind
        1. Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 08: 43 New
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          Then why does Caliber only remember the Soviet period?
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            Then why does Caliber only remember the Soviet period?

            Because, probably, they pay for the humiliation of all Soviet things more readily. Or maybe his complex was creeping, he was making a career on communism, which he had been disgusted with since childhood, he wants to wash it now. In general, he wants to be in the establishment under any authority, that is, to have a profit. In my opinion, a bad person. But this is purely subjective, of course.
            1. Reptiloid 30 January 2020 14: 09 New
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              ........., he had a complex - he cringed, made a career on communism, which he had been disgusted with since childhood, .......
              I don’t think that it was disgusting, rather an insult, it would be possible to rise higher with such positive and respected senior relatives.
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          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Words by Suvorov A.V. about quartermasters to what period to attribute?

          To the whole history of mankind

          Suvorov did not say this phrase.
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            Quote: Olgovich
            Suvorov did not say this phrase.

            Yes? And what did you say about the quartermaster?
    2. IS-80_RVGK2 29 January 2020 08: 49 New
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      And the question is: have we ever had stability in the country from 1900 to 2000?

      Well, well, bright Brezhnev stagnant times. Now Putin's bright stagnant. And all the same, then, that now the country is a dormant volcano.
      1. svp67 29 January 2020 09: 24 New
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        And all the same, then, that now the country is a dormant volcano.

        I agree.
    3. Olgovich 29 January 2020 10: 46 New
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      with reports of the head of the NKVD department to the first secretary of the city committee for 37 years

      Yes, they stole then and were not afraid of anything, for those same years, 1938, and we were talking about ... Tank factory !:
      Top secret to the Secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) Korotchenko D.S.

      REPORT NOTE

      about the progress of construction tank repair factory in Kremenchug

      By resolution of the Defense Committee under the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR from 13.1X.1938 of the city No. 5186 / ko, a decision was made to build a tank-repair plant in the mountains. Kremenchug of Poltava region ....

      .. The main reason for the failure to implement the construction program this year is an unsatisfactory supply of building materials.

      Along with the untimely supply of building materials, construction management is conducting squandering them illegally. Construction Manager BOGACHEV, Chief Engineer KOAYAZIN and Deputy. beg. BAHIR supply department as of 06.X. from. g. sold from construction various organizations of the city of Kremenchug stock building materials in the amount of 100.327 p.

      During the same time, it was released to various organizations and was not documented 71 tons of cement, 156 tons of quicklime, 45 thousand pieces of brick, and other materials.

      Characteristically, the deputy. beg. BAHIR's supply for 4 months of construction work was on a business trip for 3,5 months, having spent 10.000 rubles for business travelers, having bought 26.000 rubles for construction materials that were unusable and sold to the side for 11.600 rubles.

      Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the Ukrainian SSR Gorlinsky
      October 27, 1939
      No. 4198 / sn
      mountains Kiev
    4. fighter angel 29 January 2020 13: 31 New
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      Sorry, Vyacheslav, but with your approach to this topic, I’m afraid that we will not get anything other than a vile anti-Soviet article. Looking at you, one is astonished sometimes how quickly in the “dashing 90s” the “worker” of the Soviet cult system was “reforged”. I still remember your work in the 80s, in Young Technique, in Model Designer ... Signature - V. Shpakovsky, Penza, at the end of the publication was a kind of quality mark. Or weren't you? And now you are with frantic energy, “exposing” and pouring mud all the time, and that society. Trying to convince that "the USSR was a road to nowhere", "the Union was doomed", etc. etc. This is strange and somehow disgusting, perhaps ...
      1. kalibr 29 January 2020 15: 25 New
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        Alexey, it was just me. But how do you think the "little article" is vile? Do you have access to the archives of the OK CPSU? Can you read their materials? That is, of course you have. But really - do you have time to go there and do this? No! You are given the opportunity to look at photocopies of REAL DOCUMENTS. It’s not my fault that there is one Mr. ... I didn’t stuff it there. Do you want roses and fragrances? This is the newspaper. But not everything is smooth there. And what are you unhappy with? Nothing to blame for the mirror, yes, if ... the curve! This is our story.
        1. fighter angel 29 January 2020 15: 49 New
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          Vyacheslav, once again, I'm sorry, but there’s more than one r ... as you say.
          Just apparently, you are used to looking for it. So you come across precisely such "archives." You read, so in the Union okromya this very g .... nothing at all was not. I could have believed you if I hadn’t lived at that time myself. I will answer you also with a saying: a certain representative of the animal world will find dirt everywhere ...
          1. kalibr 29 January 2020 17: 59 New
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            Alexei! Excuse me too. But you write nonsense. Brains need at least a little strain. Do you really think that if there were something positive in the archive I would not give it? You don’t understand what exactly I WOULD GIVE FIRST! Inexplicably? Consider, because the result is still the same - 1991! Available explained? Would be +++ would be ---- TOTAL ONE - 91st. And that says it all!
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            I could have believed you if I hadn’t lived at that time myself.

            You lived on the newspapers! You were not in the archives! You grew up on what was given to you, and not on what was hidden from you. Like me, by the way! The information received changed, and the views changed. This did not happen to you. That's all. That is why "all" of "this" was not reported. Otherwise, 91 years would have come earlier.
            1. Doliva63 29 January 2020 20: 44 New
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              Quote: kalibr
              Quote: fighter angel
              I could have believed you if I hadn’t lived at that time myself.

              You lived on the newspapers! You were not in the archives! You grew up on what was given to you, and not on what was hidden from you. Like me, by the way! The information received changed, and the views changed. This did not happen to you. That's all. That is why "all" of "this" was not reported. Otherwise, 91 years would have come earlier.

              Hard case. We didn’t live in newspapers, but in shops, schools, hospitals, our workplaces, our apartments (not mortgage, if that), sports clubs, participation in DND, etc. What’s in the archives - I don’t care. Most of the country is not concerned. Blow out an elephant from a fly, as in the late 80s. Not tired? Or just profitable? Tomorrow, if anything, will you again praise communism? I won’t be surprised.
              1. kalibr 30 January 2020 14: 21 New
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                Quote: Doliva63
                Tomorrow, if anything, will you again praise communism?

                There will be no communism tomorrow!
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                  But in vain you are so.
                  Is Albert Einstein's work "On Socialism" familiar to you?
                  If you have not read, then do not be lazy, read it, it is small.
                  Phrases: "Capitalism and especially imperialism - is the bestial social system"
                  "Without a transition to socialism, human civilization is doomed to extinction,"
                  they are taken from there.
                  And it’s hard not to agree with the great Scientist.
              2. kalibr 30 January 2020 14: 33 New
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                What is in the archives - I do not care.

                Ostrich position
            2. fighter angel 30 January 2020 13: 30 New
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              Vyacheslav, let’s leave your “logic” about 91 years old. This is your subjective opinion, even if it remains. I turn on the brains, but, alas, I can’t think like you. Yes, probably, it’s for the better.
              It is not clear to me from your words, Vyacheslav, you write:
              "... The information received changed, the views changed ..."
              Sorry, are you writing to yourself?
              If so, then I sincerely pity you. In my opinion, with such a life position, in difficult times, it is very easy to slip into collaborationism and betrayal ... Explaining this as a "change in the information received", do not you?
              No, we all lived and live in a huge information world, the flow of information falls every day, and without changes it is natural, it does not pass for any of us.
              But change immediately and sharply to the diametrically opposite ... Agree, this is more than alarming, and undermines the credibility of those who do this.
              In any human society, there should be something that should not change, whatever the reason from the outside and from the inside would not be. Must be. If this does not happen, or it will "change" - this society is doomed to self-destruction.
              1. kalibr 30 January 2020 14: 23 New
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                In any human society, there should be something that should not change, whatever the reason from the outside and from the inside would not be. Must be.

                Absolutely! But why it should be connected with the USSR is not clear. Why not with the Decalogue, for example?
              2. kalibr 30 January 2020 14: 30 New
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                But change immediately and sharply to the exact opposite ...

                And who told you that right away? My idea of ​​life began to change in graduate school, just when I got access to information that was closed to most citizens. And in 1988, my supervisor told me bluntly that there is no alternative to destruction and we will go to surrender to the West just to keep the peace. At a meeting of lecturers of the OK and RK CPSU, we were directly told that 1995 would be the most difficult ... But I hoped that somehow the party would be able to overcome this and the union would not fall apart. But ... wrong. He knew little, did not have access to documents of the 1st level of secrecy, only the 2nd ... So it took about 5 years!
                1. fighter angel 30 January 2020 15: 28 New
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                  Yes, the Lord is with you, Vyacheslav.
                  The circumstances of those days are known to many, including me in general terms.
                  Details are superfluous.
                  Those events are already far away, there are no others, as they say.
                  You seem to make excuses ... you don’t need this.
                  Always in such cases he asked the question: why did a person, having worked in the system, suddenly turn around 180 degrees and become her fierce critic and opponent?
                  And I did not find a clear answer ...
                  1. kalibr 30 January 2020 18: 36 New
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                    Always in such cases he asked the question: why did a person, having worked in the system, suddenly turn around 180 degrees and become her fierce critic and opponent?

                    Because I knew it well from the inside, I understood why it did not work, and got the opportunity, without fear, to talk about its shortcomings. So that the bad does not happen again. In my opinion, quite clearly, huh?
                    1. fighter angel 31 January 2020 12: 00 New
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                      Vyacheslav, this was always incomprehensible.
                      Why, working in the system, seeing, knowing, and encountering its flaws every day, as a rule, all of its subsequently "furious critics" stick their tongues in one place and are silent in a rag, sorry, instead of trying at least something then do each in its place?
                      Here, for some reason, a familiar position immediately arises: “I’m a screw in the system, what’s the demand for me, nothing depends on me ...” and another position: “It was dangerous when working in the system, criticizing it and generally speaking open..."
                      But having left the system, all of a sudden they suddenly become so smart, insightful, and most importantly, principled !!! And why were they silent before when they were there and could at least do something, fix it?
                      Do you need it then, then why now about it, and even in a negative way?
                      It seems to me that at least it’s somehow not decent, not honest, and it doesn’t paint a person ...
                      We are all strong in the backward mind. Everyone becomes so smart at once that the question involuntarily arises: "If there is so much mind, then why are everyone so poor?"
                      I think, for example, this way: "If I was in the system, I worked, I knew about the shortcomings, and did nothing to correct them, then have a conscience, sorry, then be silent, after leaving this system." At least it will look more decent, don’t you?
              3. kalibr 30 January 2020 14: 34 New
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                I turn on the brains, but, alas, I can’t think like you. Yes, probably, it’s for the better.

                Sad You need to dress according to the weather. And so it is you who walk in the cold in shorts.
                1. fighter angel 30 January 2020 14: 51 New
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                  No sorrow. You know, the weather vane also turns in the wind. Sometimes several times a day. It doesn’t do him any honor ...
                  1. kalibr 30 January 2020 18: 37 New
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                    Weather vane phenomenon unconscious ...
                    1. fighter angel 31 January 2020 12: 02 New
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                      About a weather vane - figurative expression. I think you understand me ...
        2. Sergey S. 31 January 2020 22: 24 New
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          Do you have access to the archives of the OK CPSU? Can you read their materials? That is, of course you have. But really - do you have time to go there and do this? No! You are given the opportunity to look at photocopies of REAL DOCUMENTS. It’s not my fault that there is one Mr. ... I didn’t stuff it there. Do you want roses and fragrances? This is the newspaper. But not everything is smooth there. And what are you unhappy with? Nothing to blame for the mirror, yes, if ... the curve! This is our story.

          I worked in the archives ....
          I know the price of documents .... People wrote them too, and interested persons ...
          Passions still boil over the Russo-Japanese War of 1904 - 1905.
          And about the times of the great redistribution of property, power, ... I guess. that if people come to life, they will be very surprised at that. that they’ve hidden in the archives.
          By the way, many historians understand this, and against the full disclosure of archives. Consider. that first, experts must evaluate the material. that is, polish the story again.
          About r ...
          What remains is up to the individual. From some one g ...

          Those who knew the Salzman personally, for all his nobility. treated him well.
          And further. Nothing stuck to Zaltsman, neither millions, nor apartments ...
          His personal plane flew to Tashkent during the war from the Urals, where iron from the plant was exchanged for food and fruit for workers.
          After the war, he was worried that the specialists of the tank city would return to Leningrad, Kharkov, and other native cities. He started building housing, - post cottages, houses for two families.
          This is what he was charged with, if not socialist methods of leadership.

          But he flew due to the denunciation of Malyshev, the People’s Commissar of the tank industry.
          The legend is like that.
          In anticipation of the Battle of Kursk, new tanks were needed.
          .
          Stalin calls Malyshev:
          - How many tanks can you give over the plan?
          Malyshev calls the Urals Zaltsman with the same questions, he promises three hundred tanks ...
          After Malyshev’s response, Stalin calls Zaltsman:
          -How many tanks can you give over the plan?
          - Five hundred, comrade Stalin!

          And gives!
          To do this, every day in a workshop in three conveyors put two boxes of oil.
          The oil went to the conveyor, which overtook the comrades ...

          Today, Salzman must personify the real manager.
          By the way, in his native Kirovsky in Leningrad, he knew all the old workers, always greeted them personally.
      2. Pedrodepackes 29 January 2020 15: 59 New
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        In defense of Mr. Shpakovsky
        Quote: fighter angel
        And now you are with frantic energy, “exposing” and pouring mud all the time, and that society.
        that’s why, as soon as something bad about that time, then immediately stamp
        Quote: fighter angel
        pour mud

        in my opinion, pouring mud is to write slander, i.e. something that did not exist, and if a person based on documents cites facts that were, then that’s bad. About tsarist Russia, any dirty lie goes with a bang, but here for some reason no way. Do you like the pink socialist "realism" with which we were treated in the years of stagnation?
        1. fighter angel 29 January 2020 16: 25 New
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          To the defender of Mr. Shpakovsky.
          You will know that before becoming "Mr.", Vyacheslav was himself a "comrade."
          And quite well-known, and not the last in scientific and technical circles.
          But suddenly, a metamorphosis happened to a person.
          Although you may not have found this.

          "... that’s why, as soon as something bad about that time, then immediately stamp ..."

          So the thing is that in addition to the bad about that time, Vyacheslav does not write anything else.
          Also agree that a certain stamp.
          Well and accordingly, the facts are different. For some reason, Vyacheslav cites precisely “negative facts” in his “works”; they could not be argued here, but why should we write only about one negative?
          What, really, there was nothing good then, and there were no other facts?
          Here, either a person set himself such a task, and purposefully performs it, or one of two ...
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            Quote: fighter angel
            So the thing is that in addition to the bad about that time, Vyacheslav does not write anything else.

            So there are people who, besides good things about that time, do not write, they do not annoy you?
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            What, really, there was nothing good then, and there were no other facts?

            maybe he already wrote about other facts when he was
            Quote: fighter angel
            "comrade."
            And quite well-known, and not the last in scientific and technical circles.

            Now he writes what he writes about, what is there? I understand if he really poured dirt.
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              So there are people who, besides good things about that time, do not write, they do not annoy you?

              Mr. Shpakovsky is a transitional period. Annoyed in Zen, in which, based on the information of Shpakovsky, the past is somewhat different from the generally accepted at least now accepted. As an example, Lenin in my past is the head of state. In Zen, I came across a kommet. Lenin runs a revolver around the market and shoots fists.
    5. Looking for 29 January 2020 16: 49 New
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      Well yourself. Naturally. You refer to people of "high culture"
      1. Astra wild 30 January 2020 17: 09 New
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        And you are absolutely right: they always consider themselves elected
    6. Reptiloid 30 January 2020 13: 38 New
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      Stability? For 100 years? .....
      In the 20th century, the Russo-Japanese War, 1MB, 2MB --- the Bolsheviks did not influence the beginning of these wars ...
      And in the 19th century ---- where was it stable then? There were definitely no Bolsheviks ....
      And in the 18th and 17th centuries ---- probably one was stability?
      So, a class of aristocrats who care about the state and the common people has not formed .......
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      .......... Khapovstvo, nepotism, theft - all this is ineradicable in people of low culture, living in conditions of commodity shortage and social disorder. "We live once!" they say, and that justifies everything. A life of at least three generations is needed in abundance, in conditions of stability, so that certain social skills are developed. And three generations is a century. A hundred years! And the question is: have we ever had stability in the country from 1900 to 2000?

      I wonder where the assumptions of three generations come from ... request recourse
      1. kalibr 30 January 2020 14: 24 New
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        I wonder where the assumptions of three generations come from ...

        From a textbook of sociology for higher education.
  • Aviator_ 29 January 2020 08: 02 New
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    Yes, Izya simply confused his wool with the state, that's all. Being at financial flows - and not getting rich? He believed that he could, that’s what he suffered.
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      Yes, Izya simply confused his wool with the state, that's all. Being at financial flows - and not getting rich? He believed that he could, that’s what he suffered.

      I would be confused - I sat down, but they didn’t put me in prison. Point the rook. What for?
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        Mukhin, Yuri Ignatievich, editor-in-chief of the newspapers "Duel" and "With his own names," had an article. where he sorted out what gifts and to whom, on occasions of anniversaries, Zaltsman gave. So he gave Stalin a beautifully executed bronze writing device, which is quite feasible for factory production and does not require scarce material, but Popkov (who rattled on the Leningrad case) was presented with a checker decorated with gold and diamonds - you can find such material for a gift It was only with the help of shadow accounting. There is no slander, a medical fact.
  • Free wind 29 January 2020 08: 04 New
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    Ham, of course, was this uncle. But how could it be that the State Planning Commission issued a task for the production of equipment, although they knew that there were no machines or equipment for this, or was it? And why then drag this fucking shaft through the fence. I vaguely remember something about the drive shafts, everything was transmitted to the gearboxes through the power take-off shaft, PTO, through the shafts, and from the rear the grader was already controlling the grader blade. Build materials to steal for the bosses is not a problem, the same to drive the workers to their construction site. Million orders to fulfill through the leftist, stealing engines is not a problem, but this is after all state-owned enterprises. Why all this? And how can all this be cashed out, cash was seen in stores and cashiers on salaries. Or there’s some kind of barter, like I told you this, and you give me marble tiles to my country house.
  • The leader of the Redskins 29 January 2020 08: 09 New
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    You can and should argue, but this part of the article is very interesting.
  • svp67 29 January 2020 08: 38 New
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    I read it and took my breath away ... something about this, about attempts to enrich the Soviet leaders personally, they tried not to spread too much. And I believe that this is one of the root causes of the death of the USSR. At some point, these “honest communists” realized that they were so strong that they could change the social system in the country
    1. Vladimir_2U 29 January 2020 08: 53 New
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      Quote: svp67
      about attempts to enrich the Soviet leaders personally, they tried not to spread much. And I believe that this was one of the root causes of the death of the USSR

      One of the reasons was precisely the weakening, and then the termination of the struggle against such figures.
    2. Sergey S. 31 January 2020 22: 35 New
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      I read it and took my breath away ... something about this, about attempts to enrich the Soviet leaders personally, they tried not to spread too much. And I believe that this is one of the root causes of the death of the USSR. At some point, these “honest communists” realized that they were so strong that they could change the social system in the country

      Not Salzman ruined the USSR.
      Not stuck to Zaltsman ....
      Not at Salzman found ...

      There were rumors about Zaltsman ...
      But Zaltsman violated socialist legality. For the sake of business, he stood at home for specialists, organized a battle order for the plant, during the war he exchanged products for factory iron ...

      And if Salzman had even put a nail in his pocket, he would have been slammed. After the Leningrad case, the case of doctors, with his acquaintances and his origin ...

      You do not need all to fit in one comb.
      Salzman is one of the symbols of our Victory - Tankograd is Salzman.
  • Alexey RA 29 January 2020 11: 41 New
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    Business was happening 10 October 1941 at the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander, when Georgy Zhukov was announced that from that day he was commanding the Western Front - he was defending Moscow. At that time it was already known that the Leningrad Tank Plant was being evacuated to Chelyabinsk, and Zhukov even asked the “tank king” to send the first KV issued near Moscow.

    The first HF in Chelyabinsk was released in January 1941 - but before the war, production at ChTZ depended largely on the LKZ kits. Establishment of our own production was hindered by the constant change of drawings at LKZ, the mismatch between the equipment of ChTZ and LKZ (because of which the technology had to be radically reworked) and the banal lack of machines and personnel.
    According to the plan approved by the government, in the first quarter of 1941 the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant was supposed to pass 10 KV-1, but he could not do this, having delivered only one car in March. Speaking about the reasons for this, as early as March 1, 1941, a ChTZ military representative, a rank 3 military engineer Skribtsov, reported:
    “The HF program in February, both in terms of the production of machines and in the manufacture of equipment and tools, was completely disrupted for reasons that depend mainly and mainly on the plant’s directorate and managers of department No. 3, and partly on the late receipt of materials mainly from the head of the Kirov factory.
    During February, the plant did not assemble a single tank. The assembly of the fourth car, launched in January, will obviously be completed in the second decade of March. Moreover, the program of the first quarter is fully provided with buildings, towers, artillery systems, radio stations, TPU. The main reason that slows down the assembly of machines, the delay in the manufacture of gears of the gearbox and gear reducers, torsion bars, balancer pipes due to the lack of tools and measuring tools, low qualifications of workers and management personnel, as well as a large marriage of parts. "

    The situation with the quality of HF produced by ChTZ was so serious that the tankers refused to accept Chelyabinsk vehicles, demanding Leningrad ones instead.
    TsAMO f.38 o.11355 d.15 "Reports, reports, reports and summaries of military representatives of the GABTU KA on the work of factories for the production of tanks KV". From a letter to the director of ChTZ
    "HF tanks arriving from Chelyabinsk are usually poorly regulated and have leaks in the gearbox and final drives.
    "The military units refuse to receive your vehicles and ask them to give them tanks produced by the Kirov Plant."
    © Ulanov
    Isaac Zaltsman, obviously inspired by this turn of the matter, suggests renaming ChTZ into Kirovsky.

    In real history, ChTZ and a group of tank factories evacuated to Chelyabinsk were united under the name "Kirov Plant of the People’s Commissariat of Tank Industry in the city of Chelyabinsk" in accordance with GKO Decree No. 734ss of 04 October 1941
    10. Rename the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant into the Kirov Plant, and rename the Ural Heavy Engineering Plant (Uralmashzavod) to Izhora Plant.
    © RESOLUTION OF THE STATE DEFENSE COMMITTEE No. 734ss dated 4.X.1941. About the Kirov and Izhora plants and plant number 174
  • Dmitry V. 29 January 2020 12: 50 New
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    But I know firsthand how it worked and how ChTZ works. For about 5 years he traded in ChTZ bulldozers and what he just didn’t hear about from consumers ...

    About the bolts driven by a sledgehammer by hard workers with ChTZ - only the lazy did not know about the terrible quality of the products - it was that under the USSR, that in Russia there was nowhere worse.
    Zaltsman was right - it would be worthwhile to shoot several leaders, so that the rest, at least for fear, would begin to carry out their duties!

    There were two assembly flows at the factory both in the USSR and in the Russian Federation, a lot and poorly (plan for the shaft) inside the country and a little better - from high-quality components and components, with double painting - for export and for exhibitions.

    The 130th series bulldozer (T-130) was considered to be of less quality - a relatively good copy of the D6 caterpillar, adapted to the production capabilities of the plant and less quality metal - this was the success of the ChTZ design department.
    Then went the T-170, which was already considered worse - the bulldozers preferred the old T-130 to the new T-170 - the quality of the Brezhnev stagnation was brought to please the plan along the shaft.

    Well, the B-10 series was already made by those who didn’t leave ChTZ and were so poor in quality - I remember in 2003 I couldn’t get off the platform of 7 bulldozers 3 (!) During the warranty period (1500 hours) without breakdowns all 7 bulldozers - i.e. 100% defective.
    I also found the B10 remotorization on YaMZ engines (the native engine was just a piece of g ... with a resource hardly up to the warranty - due to archaic and low production culture).
    YaMZ engines went without thorough repairs up to 5000 m / h, which then seemed to be a masterpiece of domestic engine building! (I didn’t know then that, for example, imported Kaminsa and Steyr go 30000 hours (!) without capital - 6 times more than domestic ones).
    But the designers of ChTZ were not able to correctly merge the YaMZ and the archaic checkpoint - oh, and tidying up with these bulldozers under warranty - the slightest misalignment led to the breakdown of the checkpoint and I started up with this plant then.
    He switched to Chinese and realized that it was like with AvtoVAZ - you can see just a place cursed under the workshops of ChTZ.

    Because the Chinese were doing better (well, I won’t think about advertising)
    1. kalibr 29 January 2020 15: 35 New
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      There was a diesel plant in Penza. In Soviet times. In 1963, a complaint came for every 10th diesel engine. I don’t know now. But this is the data of the OK CPSU archive.
      1. Dmitry V. 30 January 2020 09: 59 New
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        Quote: kalibr
        There was a diesel plant in Penza. In Soviet times. In 1963, a complaint came for every 10th diesel engine. I don’t know now. But this is the data of the OK CPSU archive.


        In the 2000s, they put a “trimmed” conversion U1D6 diesel on DZ-98 motor graders - it could not work even 1000 hours, the best 1250 hours was just some kind of conversion fiasco ...
        I don’t know how it is now - the plant on U1D6 supposedly 6000 m / h before the first bulkhead assigns a resource. - on bulldozers, the NT855-C280S10 fireplace (this is the previous generation fireplace) of the Chinese production of 17000-23000 hours is nursed without re-use, this is the operating time statistics.
        Not to mention ease of maintenance and reliability.
        That is, our engine building is not just in w ... - it is in the ancient w ...
    2. Servisinzhener 29 January 2020 20: 36 New
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      I have always been struck by this state of affairs in our country. For the domestic market, goods are worse than exports. I do not have enough coverage, but for what I have come across I can say that goods produced in Japan, Korea, the United States for the domestic market are better than what they supply to the external. In such categories as cars and their accessories, diapers, sports nutrition.
      1. kalibr 30 January 2020 18: 47 New
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        But now we sew clothes of world brands from Chinese leather for Germany and the USA. It is cheaper than sewing it in China.
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          Quote: kalibr
          But now we sew clothes of world brands from Chinese leather for Germany and the USA. It is cheaper than sewing it in China.


          Because Vova brought down the ruble in 2014 and now the Russian worker is of the same skill - we get less than Chinese, as well as engineers, pilots, doctors ...
          1. kalibr 31 January 2020 11: 29 New
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            we get less than Chinese, like engineers, pilots, doctors ...

            Exactly! When we switched to the Bologna system, we, associate professors, were promised 1000 euros of salary ... Are they an idea?
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            A depreciation of the ruble would be a good thing while stimulating domestic production and consumption of goods of domestic production. But our economists have learned only one thing: the less money the less inflation.
  • Seal 29 January 2020 16: 25 New
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    Arriving at the Uralvagonzavod with an inspection, Zaltsman discovered a conveyor littered with artillery boxes - at that time Lorenius Beria (he oversaw artillery subjects in the government) was instructed to increase the production of shells. All this went against the plans for the release of the thirty-four, and, of course, the deputy people's commissar turned this assembly line, especially since there were already a lot of shells in the warehouses of the plant. Beria managed to fight off the attacks of the NKVD and even personal calls only by direct order of the Supreme Commander. Obviously, it was then that Beria harbored a grudge against the "tank king."

    Interesting. L.P. Beria was appointed curator of the production of ammunition on February 12, 1942.
    When he was appointed curator for the production of tanks, he certainly did not find it. In the best case, they write either "at the same time" with the receipt of supervision over the release of weapons and ammunition, or "in the same winter."
    Since February 1942, Beria instead of Voznesensky began to oversee the production of weapons and ammunition. In the same winter, the production of tanks was in his hands.

    But everyone notes that with the appointment of L.P. Beria as the curator of the tank industry, the production of tanks increased sharply.
    What they write about Uralvagonzavod.
    The largest tank manufacturer during the war was Nizhniy Tagil plant No. 183. This plant ranks third in the People’s Commissariat in terms of production capacity, second only to giants such as the Kirov Plant and the famous UZTM (Ural Heavy Engineering Plant). The most important statistical information about this plant is given in the table. The plant was created as a result of the merger of the Ural Car-Building Plant and plant No. 183, evacuated from Kharkov in October - November 1941. The plant gave its first production in December 1941, and in March it closed the pre-war level.

    That is, given that plant No. 183 (now Uralvagonzavod) in March 1942 blocked the pre-war level for the production of tanks, we can assume that L.P. Beria was appointed curator of the tank industry at the end of February 1942 (which also falls under the definition of "the same winter").
    Did Salzman manage to "quarrel" with L.P. Beria in that short period when L.P. Beria was already a curator for the production of ammunition, but had not yet received curators for the production of tanks?
  • Servisinzhener 29 January 2020 20: 38 New
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    An interesting and amazing article. I was particularly struck by the fact that it was possible to take out two engines from the state plant during the times that our liberals scared us and sell them for cash to another state plant.
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    Olgovich, for the sake of justice,: “any quartermaster,” said Suvorov

    Astra is credited with it, but there are no convincing primary sources proving this. hi

    And there is evidence that these are the words of Catherine the Great.?
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    What an arrogant libel on the USSR! After all, any patriot knows that under Stalin there was no theft and corruption (sarcasm, if that).