Sina: Production line of Swedish JAS-39 Gripen fighters will be closed soon


A large Chinese publication Sina is considering the implementation of the aerodynamic scheme “duck” (“duck wing”) - a scheme in which the horizontal tail is in front of the main wing of the aircraft. The material says that only the fifth-generation Chinese fighter J-20 of all fifth-generation fighters in the world can boast the efficiency and effectiveness of this aerodynamic design.


From the material:

The success of the J-20 designers in this regard is obvious. Moreover, it is based on the work in the framework of the J-10 project with its technologies accumulated in this regard. Chinese experts have developed a duck wing aerodynamic design for combat needs aviation by yourself. And today, the J-20 is the only fifth-generation fighter in the world to use the duck circuit. On the F-35 and Su-57 it is not.

The article on the Sina resource noted that at one time the Swedish company SAAB began developing its fifth generation fighter as part of the FS-2020 project. And in this project, the aerodynamic design was also originally an option with horizontal plumage in front of the main wing. But, as the Chinese media writes, in Sweden with such a scheme, "faced with a whole set of unsolvable problems."

From the article:

SAAB surrendered both due to numerous technical problems, and because the fifth-generation aircraft was taking up more and more financial resources that went beyond the budget.

It is noted that in the end there was an intermediate option - JAS-39 Gripen. But, as the authors are sure in the mentioned edition, “this Swedish aircraft is produced in limited quantities and has no prospects, and therefore the production line will soon be closed.”

Sina:

The JAS-39 flight control system was actually written by the United States for Sweden, but when the US introduced the F-35, which they are promoting around the world, it was no longer profitable for the States to share flight control technologies with their Swedish counterparts.

That is why the JAS-39 has no future, the Chinese observer believes.
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  1. Victor_B 28 January 2020 19: 08 New
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    RIP
    We will pay tribute to the Swedes.
    Still, they went their own way for a very long time. Unusual.
    Recall their tanks, planes, and, finally, Volvo!
    Gripen was also quite good at the time, no worse than the F-16, but ... foreign markets for the Swedes were blocked.
    1. maxim947 28 January 2020 19: 46 New
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      The Chinese parted ways. Where have their modesty gone?)))
      They boast without hesitation, they themselves really still haven’t finished their plane.
      1. Sayan 28 January 2020 19: 59 New
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        Quote: maxim947
        The Chinese parted ways. Where have their modesty gone?)))
        They boast without hesitation, they themselves really still haven’t finished their plane.

        Well so, you will not praise yourself - you walk like a spit laughing
        1. Nikolaevich I 29 January 2020 00: 35 New
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          Quote: Sayan
          Well so, you will not praise yourself - you walk like a spit

          Can't you spit on yourself, so no one will regret it? what
      2. Oyo Sarkazmi 28 January 2020 20: 00 New
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        Show off small successes (in copying), be silent about strategic failures (training people).
        Recently I read one expert - the crews of sea ships are torn apart by national enmity, the officers are northerners, the rank and file are southerners. Tribal traditions cherished by centuries of hatred.
        1. Victor_B 28 January 2020 20: 06 New
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          Quote: Oyo Sarkazmi
          Tribal traditions cherished by centuries of hatred.

          In order not to climb, let us recall the Soviet army. Well, the domestic attitude.
          And that lumps are not always firewood.
          1. Shurik70 28 January 2020 20: 44 New
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            You just understand what a wonderful set it turned out ... The “duck” scheme is a dead end. A thin convex-concave profile is a dead end ... But everyone will think that it should be

            (c) Engineer of His Highness
            laughing
        2. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 21: 23 New
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          Well, you didn’t discover America. In China, the Han are in all the leading positions. Patricia.
      3. cherkas.oe 28 January 2020 21: 54 New
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        Quote: maxim947
        They boast without hesitation, they themselves really still haven’t finished their plane.

        The wallet burns the thigh, as birth pin appears on the pinostan. Nothing unusual, an excess of money does not spoil - it shows the essence.
      4. Knell wardenheart 29 January 2020 00: 59 New
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        If you read the translations of Chinese articles from the press about our technology or the country to “inosmi”, then this is the most “dispersed” there is already rushing in full fountain .. there went such technological ambition and such skepticism that it is not surprising why these guys considered everything until the end of the 19th century around China by barbarians))
      5. bayard 29 January 2020 05: 18 New
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        Quote: maxim947
        The Chinese parted ways. Where have their modesty gone?)))

        Modesty is now "not to their liking" - they are in second place in the world in arms exports, they need to consolidate success. Moreover, Chinese publications are now more often quoted on all the resources of the world.
        This is an increasingly aggressive policy to promote its defense industry product in the world.
        The world is really changing.
    2. AlexSam 28 January 2020 20: 04 New
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      I somehow remember more than the SAAB-9000 ... that's a truly low-flying airplane ...
      1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 23: 13 New
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        All machines manufactured at firms with an aviation past and present are airplanes. That Mitsubishi that BMW that SAAB.
        1. KCA
          KCA 28 January 2020 23: 29 New
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          What a VAZ - a downed pilot
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    4. Kuroneko 28 January 2020 21: 53 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Gripen was also quite good at the time, no worse than the F-16, but ... foreign markets for the Swedes were blocked.

      A loser plane that fell victim to mostly political squabbles. In itself - a very worthy machine. In terms of price-performance ratio, it is almost the best.
      But it’s easier for us. Let the EU countries tear on the purchase of "penguins" F-35.
      1. Victor_B 28 January 2020 22: 10 New
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        Quote: Kuroneko
        fallen victim to mostly political squabbles. In itself - a very worthy machine. In terms of price-performance ratio, it is almost the best.
        But it’s easier for us. Let the EU countries tear on the purchase of "penguins" F-35.

        So wish them more Penguins! Despicable and different!
        The main thing is that our air defense and aviation can adequately meet them.
        In any quantities!
    5. venik 29 January 2020 15: 06 New
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      Quote: Victor_B
      Let's pay tribute to the Swedes. Still, they went their own way for a very long time.

      =====
      Yes, AS in FIG "their"!!!
      - Auto Volvo - copied Chrysler !!!
      - Aircraft engines - Licensed Rolls-Royces .....
      - Avionics: completely "British, French and Amer" .....
      And WHAT is asked there "Swedish"??? Answer:" Only ASSEMBLY!!! "....
      With tanks "STRV" - THE MOST!
      PS Sorry! But - REACHED !!!!!
  2. Pereira 28 January 2020 19: 09 New
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    Frozen and enough. Small countries are not supposed to compete with superpowers. Gone are the days.
    1. Graz 28 January 2020 19: 30 New
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      Well, the market conditions can always change, if the Swedes are able to save their school of building combat aircraft in modern times, then here’s respect, it’s more likely that the Swedes will be buried by cheap Chinese cars faster than the Americans
      1. Pereira 28 January 2020 19: 44 New
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        I also meant it. Aviation will not be able to survive on piece and small-scale production. Already a very long and expensive development costs.
      2. KCA
        KCA 28 January 2020 23: 31 New
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        The Swedes will traditionally sell the unprofitable enterprise to the Chinese, as was the case with Volvo Karz, and Gripen will be called J-30, for example
        1. Paranoid50 29 January 2020 00: 23 New
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          Gripen will be called J-30, for example

          Then J-39 - in memory of the untimely deceased device. yes
    2. mvg
      mvg 28 January 2020 22: 47 New
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      We would still have a standard of living, as in Sweden, and then we can brag.
  3. Mavrikiy 28 January 2020 19: 12 New
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    But, as the Chinese media writes, in Sweden with such a scheme, "faced with a whole set of unsolvable problems."
    Did the “Chinese genius” solve them successfully? request In the USA - a penguin, in China - a duck. The house turns out.
    1. The leader of the Redskins 28 January 2020 19: 32 New
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      Peking duck?)))
  4. paul72 28 January 2020 19: 27 New
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    Great Chinese analysts from Sina. Used to be from soho
  5. mark1 28 January 2020 19: 28 New
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    [quote] [Sina is considering the implementation of the aerodynamic scheme "duck" ("duck wing") - a scheme in which the horizontal tail is in front of the main wing of the aircraft. / quote]
    And on the Su-57, the horizontal plumage is integrated into the front of the wing - the same eggs are only steeper cooked
  6. knn54 28 January 2020 19: 37 New
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    Only 4 states acquired the Gripen. It seems that in this case, the browser is not far from the truth.
    1. mvg
      mvg 28 January 2020 22: 50 New
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      Only 4 states purchased Gripen

      But do not tell me how many operators Rafal and Typhoon have? And this, after the obvious successes of the Mirages (different). Much more?
      1. Liam 28 January 2020 23: 05 New
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        Quote: mvg
        Much more?

        Typhoon has 9 operators
        Rafale 4
  7. Fantazer911 28 January 2020 19: 38 New
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    But how to destroy spruce su 57 all were blown away or not a destroyer?
  8. rocket757 28 January 2020 19: 41 New
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    The success of the J-20 designers in this regard is obvious.

    Beautifully written! Ah yes Sina, ah yes their soo soo sobachkin son !!!
  9. Chigi 28 January 2020 19: 48 New
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    Colleagues, "J-20" purge was carried out only on subsonic flows.
    There is no reason to congratulate the Chinese on their NG
  10. Tuzik 28 January 2020 19: 52 New
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    And today, the J-20 is the only fifth-generation fighter in the world to use the duck circuit. On the F-35 and Su-57 it is not.

    After this phrase it is not clear whether they praised themselves or insulted? )
  11. Lord of the Sith 28 January 2020 20: 01 New
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    Something the Chinese people were raging. And then, and this and we have all the best in the world, co-co-co.
  12. nduchvve 28 January 2020 20: 04 New
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    (“Duck wing”) is a diagram in which the horizontal tail is in front of the main wing of the aircraft.

    No duck wing, namely duck - direct translation of the French word canard.
    Because the first Canard plane, the French Santos-Dumont 14-bis, looked like a duck.
    1. Liam 28 January 2020 20: 20 New
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      Quote: nduchvve
      first plane with canard, french Santos-Dumont 14-bis,

      Wright Flyer’s first Wright Flyer aircraft, the first aircraft in absolute
      1. nduchvve 28 January 2020 20: 29 New
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        Quote: Liam
        Wright Flyer’s first Wright Flyer aircraft, the first aircraft in absolute
        Technically, that's right.
        Rephrase. French Santos-Dumont 14-bis - the first plane named canard.
        But this does not change the essence. No duck wing, just the plane really looked like a duck. Accordingly, the circuit is a duck, the wing is a canard (duck).
  13. L-39NG 28 January 2020 20: 21 New
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    Autumn fellows wrote Chinese comrades.
    By the way, modern combat aircraft is sold not because it is good, but because it can be breathed in by well-trained sellers, with the support of their governments and with honesty to the post-service, and the offer of offset. The Chinese only know how to put pressure on the client and toss them in deschos - this is their product.
    T.K. our Air Force uses the JAS-39 Gripen, I had the honor of warming the cop with my ass in the new JAS-39E with the new high-definition touchscreen WAD display and new software. Then just the plane becomes you and YOU fly and, if necessary, fight. Please forgive my emotions, Not before when I was not so fascinated by a simple piece of metal and composite, which is called - JAS-39E. And do not take it as advertising on my part. I have already flown a lot, both with a passenger, and with a paragan, and with a kneeple and a joystick in my hand on acrobats. But this!
    Okay, wait and see.
    1. Paranoid50 29 January 2020 00: 30 New
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      Quote: L-39NG
      do not take it as advertising on my part

      Well, this is how the site administration considers it. yes And so there was no thought - what a normal person would be advertising a Swedish military aircraft in Russia. laughing
  14. nduchvve 28 January 2020 20: 37 New
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    The success of the J-20 designers in this regard is obvious.
    - Well, the Chinese may be obvious.

    That is why the JAS-39 has no future, the Chinese observer believes.
    - it is not harmful to consider smile
  15. Butchcassidy 28 January 2020 20: 38 New
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    Did Dave Majumdar bite them there?
  16. Moskovit 28 January 2020 20: 45 New
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    The Chinese bought a Volvo, bought a Saab automobile, now they want to bring down the price and buy an aircraft. Well done)
    1. Rzzz 28 January 2020 21: 10 New
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      Quote: Moskovit
      The Chinese bought a Volvo

      Not bought. We bought only the rights to the brand for the production of only cars.
      All other Volvo units remained at home.
      1. Moskovit 28 January 2020 22: 36 New
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        You have outdated information. Since 2010, Volvo Personvagnar has been under the control of Zhejiang Geely Automobile, a Chinese automobile manufacturer, and is chaired by Li Shufu. Currently, the main production facilities are located in Gothenburg (Sweden), Ghent (Belgium), Chengdu (China), engines are manufactured in Schövd (Sweden) and Zhangjiakou (China), body parts are manufactured at the factory in Ulufström (Sweden).
        1. Rzzz 31 January 2020 18: 29 New
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          Well, in fact, this is it. A couple of unprofitable factories have stepped into the load to the brand. In pre-bankruptcy condition at a bargain price.
          The main areas of activity - trucks, heavy construction equipment, marine engines - the Swedes left to themselves. Tea is not fools.
          1. Moskovit 31 January 2020 19: 19 New
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            Again outdated information)).
            In 2018, the Chinese bought back 8,2% of AB Volvo (trucks) with the option to buy back a controlling stake in the near future.
            So that they will soon reach))
    2. Altona 28 January 2020 23: 15 New
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      Quote: Moskovit
      The Chinese bought a Volvo, bought a Saab automobile, now they want to bring down the price and buy an aircraft.

      ---------------------
      I talked to a Chinese at the exhibition, his words literally "we should study at least 50 years before Swedish engineers and designers." The truth was about the Huskvarna gardening equipment that they produce at their factory.
      1. Moskovit 28 January 2020 23: 24 New
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        I think they will go this way faster. I constantly go to China and see how it is becoming more modern from year to year and how technology is changing - from household to construction. How production is being modernized and new technologies appear.
  17. Pacifist 28 January 2020 21: 08 New
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    on ... Su-57 is not there.
    laughing
    Yes guys, you annealed. But to think that the control scheme of deflected surfaces on the SU-57 is already implemented at a completely different design level? The SU-35 has maneuverability above the F-22, not to mention the fat-assed penguin and no duck. The SU-57 is even higher. So the real balance of maneuverability of the SU-57 and the curb of the J-20 stool can only be compared in tests, but something tells me that the J-20 will deflate at the very first turn.
  18. Rzzz 28 January 2020 21: 11 New
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    Americanosis also gives a motor for the flu. Or do not give. As they want.
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  20. kenig1 28 January 2020 22: 16 New
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    The Chinese, of course, did not take anything from the MiG-1.44 (stole).
  21. lvov_aleksey 28 January 2020 23: 11 New
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    who will tell me, SINA is an authoritarian publication, what would there be any general reasoning?
  22. Altona 28 January 2020 23: 11 New
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    If I read something in this article, or rather from Chinese theses, then the propaganda "Peking duck." SAAB may have run into technological and financial problems, but it doesn’t imply any advantage of the J-20, which in itself is more a compilation of technologies and reengineering than 100% independent development. This is not an anti-Chinese thesis, it is an objective recognition of the Chinese themselves, not biased as Sina. Second, the “duck” scheme safely died back in the late 1960s as the advanced layout of attack aircraft, giving way to the statically unstable palm as more advanced in terms of maneuverability. So, frankly, it cripples from such nimble statues in the spirit of National Interests.
  23. old friend 28 January 2020 23: 47 New
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    The Chinese comrades, in the words of Comrade. Stalin "dizzy with success." There is even a kind of arrogance. Oh well. An illusion may arise that they are the very most. Immediately I recall our "little blood on foreign territory" before the war.
    100% of all this mass of high-tech weapons will soon be requested "from the wall" and into the handles (they will want to fight). It will also have to be explained that it’s better not to meddle in Russia. Every 100 years, Europeans have to set their brains, and now these are on the horizon.
    1. Paranoid50 29 January 2020 00: 33 New
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      Quote: old friend
      in the words of Comrade Stalin "dizzy with success." An illusion may arise that they are the very most.
      Then, in the words of Comrade Mao, the fate of the paper tiger awaits them. yes
  24. Jack O'Neill 29 January 2020 03: 55 New
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    JAS-39 has prospects in the domestic market.
    Yes, it is not popular in terms of export, but it holds the domestic air force.
  25. Ax Matt 29 January 2020 17: 50 New
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    Do not underestimate China! This is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! These "friends" understand only power. As long as they are led by mercantile interests and they plug their holes with stolen technology, this is just preparation. As soon as the "critical mass", like shit ... mo in a rustic toilet under the influence of financial yeast climbs out, wait for trouble. They will be interested in everything: our Far Eastern territories, the Pacific zone, Antarctica and the Arctic only from the point of view of MY. And the most merciless argument in their policy will be: WHAT DO YOU DO TO US? India now presents direct competition for them in the form of an equal in population and intensity of growth of the state economy. But all the technologies for world domination are now only in Russia and the USA. Therefore, the time will come, and China will gladly chop off both lactating arms ... And there, chaos will begin ... China is a very likely potential threat with claims to PEACE ...!
    1. Susul 29 January 2020 19: 19 New
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      Well, understanding this in Russia, first of all, they invested in WMDs like Vanguard and Caliber, it remains only to demonstrate the explosion of a 100 megaton Tsarbomba, well, somewhere in the atmosphere of satellites or Jupiter itself =)
  26. DDT
    DDT 30 January 2020 04: 39 New
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    As far as I remember, in the Union then the Mikoyanites considered the “duck” scheme unpromising? The frontal resistance is increasing, is over-maneuverability also not achieved? So then why? For the sake of appearance? Or is it like a bullpup to shorten an airplane? And by the way, the Chinese, in vain they boast so ... On our plane of the 5th generation, MiG 1.44, by the way, there was also a "duck", and on the experimental "Golden Eagle" of Sukhoi there were both "plumage" ...
    You know what really bothers me is that Eurofighter and Rafal are, in fact, exact smaller copies of the MiG 1.44 and Su-47. The same schemes of air intakes, the same architecture of fighters, but with one keel, Delta wing, smaller sizes and armament under the wing ... Everyone is so eagerly discussing the “Penguin”, supposedly a Yakovlev copy! And do not see the obvious? Do you think there has been a betrayal or "convergent evolution"? fool