Sina: Production line of Swedish JAS-39 Gripen fighters will be closed soon

A large Chinese publication Sina is considering the implementation of the aerodynamic scheme “duck” (“duck wing”) - a scheme in which the horizontal tail is in front of the main wing of the aircraft. The material says that only the fifth-generation Chinese fighter J-20 of all fifth-generation fighters in the world can boast the efficiency and effectiveness of this aerodynamic design.

From the material:

The success of the J-20 designers in this regard is obvious. Moreover, it is based on the work in the framework of the J-10 project with its technologies accumulated in this regard. Chinese experts have developed a duck wing aerodynamic design for combat needs aviation by yourself. And today, the J-20 is the only fifth-generation fighter in the world to use the duck circuit. On the F-35 and Su-57 it is not.

The article on the Sina resource noted that at one time the Swedish company SAAB began developing its fifth generation fighter as part of the FS-2020 project. And in this project, the aerodynamic design was also originally an option with horizontal plumage in front of the main wing. But, as the Chinese media writes, in Sweden with such a scheme, "faced with a whole set of unsolvable problems."

From the article:

SAAB surrendered both due to numerous technical problems, and because the fifth-generation aircraft was taking up more and more financial resources that went beyond the budget.

It is noted that in the end there was an intermediate option - JAS-39 Gripen. But, as the authors are sure in the mentioned edition, “this Swedish aircraft is produced in limited quantities and has no prospects, and therefore the production line will soon be closed.”

sina:

The JAS-39 flight control system was actually written by the United States for Sweden, but when the US introduced the F-35, which they are promoting around the world, it was no longer profitable for the States to share flight control technologies with their Swedish counterparts.

That is why the JAS-39 has no future, the Chinese observer believes.

Comments

[Victor_B]

RIP
We will pay tribute to the Swedes.
Still, they went their own way for a very long time. Unusual.
Recall their tanks, planes, and, finally, Volvo!
Gripen was also quite good at the time, no worse than the F-16, but ... foreign markets for the Swedes were blocked.

[maxim947]

The Chinese parted ways. Where have their modesty gone?)))
They boast without hesitation, they themselves really still haven’t finished their plane.

[Sayan]

Quote: maxim947

The Chinese parted ways. Where have their modesty gone?)))
They boast without hesitation, they themselves really still haven’t finished their plane.

Well so, you will not praise yourself - you walk like a spit

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Sayan

Well so, you will not praise yourself - you walk like a spit

Can't you spit on yourself, so no one will regret it?

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Show off small successes (in copying), be silent about strategic failures (training people).
Recently I read one expert - the crews of sea ships are torn apart by national enmity, the officers are northerners, the rank and file are southerners. Tribal traditions cherished by centuries of hatred.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Oo sarcasm

Tribal traditions cherished by centuries of hatred.

In order not to climb, let us recall the Soviet army. Well, the domestic attitude.
And that lumps are not always firewood.

[Shurik70]

You just understand what a wonderful set it turned out ... The “duck” scheme is a dead end. A thin convex-concave profile is a dead end ... But everyone will think that it should be

(c) Engineer of His Highness

[AU Ivanov.]

Well, you didn’t discover America. In China, the Han are in all the leading positions. Patricia.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: maxim947

They boast without hesitation, they themselves really still haven’t finished their plane.

The wallet burns the thigh, as birth pin appears on the pinostan. Nothing unusual, an excess of money does not spoil - it shows the essence.

[Knell wardenheart]

If you read translations of Chinese articles from the press about our technology or the country on "inosmi", then this is the same "dispersed" there already rushing with might and main a fountain .. there went such a technological ambition and such skepticism that it was not surprising why these guys considered everything until the end of the 19th century around China by barbarians))

[bayard]

Quote: maxim947

The Chinese parted ways. Where have their modesty gone?)))

Modesty is now "not to their face" - they are in second place in the world in the export of arms, they need to consolidate their success. Moreover, Chinese publications are now increasingly quoted on all resources in the world.
This is an increasingly aggressive policy to promote its defense industry product in the world.
The world is really changing.

[AlexSam]

I somehow remember more than the SAAB-9000 ... that's a truly low-flying airplane ...

[AU Ivanov.]

All machines manufactured at firms with an aviation past and present are airplanes. That Mitsubishi that BMW that SAAB.

[KCA]

What a VAZ - a downed pilot

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Victor_B

Gripen was also quite good at the time, no worse than the F-16, but ... foreign markets for the Swedes were blocked.

A loser plane that fell victim to mostly political squabbles. In itself - a very worthy machine. In terms of price-performance ratio, it is almost the best.
But it's easier for us. Let the EU countries work hard to buy F-35 penguins.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Kuroneko

fallen victim to mostly political squabbles. In itself - a very worthy machine. In terms of price-performance ratio, it is almost the best.
But it's easier for us. Let the EU countries work hard to buy F-35 penguins.

So wish them more Penguins! Despicable and different!
The main thing is that our air defense and aviation can adequately meet them.
In any quantities!

[venik]

Quote: Victor_B

Let's pay tribute to the Swedes. Still, they went their own way for a very long time.

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Yes WHAT in FIG "their"!!!
- Auto "Volvo" - copied "Chrysler" !!!
- Airplane engines - Licensed Rolls-Royces .....
- Avionics: a lot of "British, French and American" .....
And the question is WHAT is there "Swedish"??? Answer:" Only ASSEMBLY!!! "....
With tanks "STRV" - THE SAME!
PS Sorry! But - REACHED !!!!!

[Pereira]

Frozen and enough. Small countries are not supposed to compete with superpowers. Gone are the days.

[Graz]

Well, the market conditions can always change, if the Swedes are able to save their school of building combat aircraft in modern times, then here’s respect, it’s more likely that the Swedes will be buried by cheap Chinese cars faster than the Americans

[Pereira]

I also meant it. Aviation will not be able to survive on piece and small-scale production. Already a very long and expensive development costs.

[KCA]

The Swedes will traditionally sell the unprofitable enterprise to the Chinese, as was the case with Volvo Karz, and Gripen will be called J-30, for example

[Paranoid50]

Quote: KCA

Gripen will be called J-30, for example

Then J-39 - in memory of the untimely deceased device.

[mvg]

We would still have a standard of living, as in Sweden, and then we can brag.

[Mavrikiy]

But, as the Chinese media writes, in Sweden with such a scheme, "faced with a whole set of unsolvable problems."

Has the "Chinese genius" solved them successfully? In the USA - a penguin, in China - a duck. The house turns out.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Peking duck?)))

[paul72]

Great Chinese analysts from Sina. Used to be from soho

[mark1]

[quote] [Sina is considering the implementation of the aerodynamic scheme "duck" ("duck wing") - a scheme in which the horizontal tail is in front of the main wing of the aircraft. / quote]
And on the Su-57, the horizontal plumage is integrated into the front of the wing - the same eggs are only steeper cooked

[knn54]

Only 4 states have purchased "Gripen". It seems that in THIS case, the observer is not far from the truth.

[mvg]

Only 4 states have acquired "Gripenes"

But do not tell me how many operators Rafal and Typhoon have? And this, after the obvious successes of the Mirages (different). Much more?

[Liam]

Quote: mvg

Much more?

Typhoon has 9 operators
Rafale 4

[Fantazer911]

But how to destroy spruce su 57 all were blown away or not a destroyer?

[rocket757]

The success of the J-20 designers in this regard is obvious.

Beautifully written! Ah yes Sina, ah yes their soo soo sobachkin son !!!

[Chigi]

Colleagues, the J-20 was purged only at subsonic flows.
There is no reason to congratulate the Chinese on their NG

[Tuzik]

And today, the J-20 is the only fifth-generation fighter in the world to use the duck circuit. On the F-35 and Su-57 it is not.

After this phrase it is not clear whether they praised themselves or insulted? )

[Lord of the Sith]

Something the Chinese people were raging. And then, and this and we have all the best in the world, co-co-co.

[nduchvve]

(“Duck wing”) is a diagram in which the horizontal tail is in front of the main wing of the aircraft.

No duck wing, namely duck - direct translation of the French word canard.
Because the first Canard plane, the French Santos-Dumont 14-bis, looked like a duck.

[Liam]

Quote: nduchvve

first plane with canard, french Santos-Dumont 14-bis,

Wright Flyer’s first Wright Flyer aircraft, the first aircraft in absolute

[nduchvve]

Quote: Liam

Wright Flyer’s first Wright Flyer aircraft, the first aircraft in absolute

Technically, that's right.
Rephrase. French Santos-Dumont 14-bis - the first plane named canard.
But this does not change the essence. No "duck wing", just the plane really looked like a duck. Accordingly, the scheme is a duck, the wing is a canard (duck).

[L-39NG]

Autumn fellows wrote Chinese comrades.
By the way, modern combat aircraft is sold not because it is good, but because it can be breathed in by well-trained sellers, with the support of their governments and with honesty to the post-service, and the offer of offset. The Chinese only know how to put pressure on the client and toss them in deschos - this is their product.
T.K. our Air Force uses the JAS-39 Gripen, I had the honor of warming the cop with my ass in the new JAS-39E with the new high-definition touchscreen WAD display and new software. Then just the plane becomes you and YOU fly and, if necessary, fight. Please forgive my emotions, Not before when I was not so fascinated by a simple piece of metal and composite, which is called - JAS-39E. And do not take it as advertising on my part. I have already flown a lot, both with a passenger, and with a paragan, and with a kneeple and a joystick in my hand on acrobats. But this!
Okay, wait and see.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: L-39NG

do not take it as advertising on my part

Well, this is how the site administration considers it. And so there was no thought - what a normal person would be advertising a Swedish military aircraft in Russia.

[nduchvve]

The success of the J-20 designers in this regard is obvious.

- Well, the Chinese may be obvious.

That is why the JAS-39 has no future, the Chinese observer believes.

- it is not harmful to consider

[Butchcassidy]

Did Dave Majumdar bite them there?

[Moskovit]

The Chinese bought a Volvo, bought a Saab automobile, now they want to bring down the price and buy an aircraft. Well done)

[Rzzz]

Quote: Moskovit

The Chinese bought a Volvo

Not bought. We bought only the rights to the brand for the production of only cars.
All other Volvo units remained at home.

[Moskovit]

You have outdated information. Since 2010, Volvo Personvagnar has been under the control of the Chinese car manufacturer Zhejiang Geely Automobile, with Li Shufu as chairman of the board. Currently, the main manufacturing plants are located in Gothenburg (Sweden), Ghent (Belgium), Chengdu (China), engines are produced in Skövde (Sweden) and Zhangjiakou (China), body parts are produced at the Ulufström plant (Sweden).

[Rzzz]

Well, in fact, this is it. A couple of unprofitable factories have stepped into the load to the brand. In pre-bankruptcy condition at a bargain price.
The main areas of activity - trucks, heavy construction equipment, marine engines - the Swedes left to themselves. Tea is not fools.

[Moskovit]

Again outdated information)).
In 2018, the Chinese bought back 8,2% of AB Volvo (trucks) with the option to buy back a controlling stake in the near future. 
So that they will soon reach))

[Altona]

Quote: Moskovit

The Chinese bought a Volvo, bought a Saab automobile, now they want to bring down the price and buy an aircraft.

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I communicated with a Chinese at the exhibition, his words literally "we have to study for Swedish engineers and designers for at least another 50 years". It really was about Husqvarna's gardening equipment, which they produce at their factory.

[Moskovit]

I think they will go this way faster. I constantly go to China and see how it is becoming more modern from year to year and how technology is changing - from household to construction. How production is being modernized and new technologies appear.

[Pacifist]

on ... Su-57 is not there.

Yes guys, you annealed. But to think that the control scheme of deflected surfaces on the SU-57 is already implemented at a completely different design level? The SU-35 has maneuverability above the F-22, not to mention the fat-assed penguin and no duck. The SU-57 is even higher. So the real balance of maneuverability of the SU-57 and the curb of the J-20 stool can only be compared in tests, but something tells me that the J-20 will deflate at the very first turn.

[Rzzz]

Americanosis also gives a motor for the flu. Or do not give. As they want.

[kenig1]

The Chinese, of course, did not take anything from the MiG-1.44 (stole).

[lvov_aleksey]

who will tell me, SINA is an authoritarian publication, what would there be any general reasoning?

[Altona]

If I read something in this article, or rather from the Chinese theses, then the propaganda "Peking duck". SAAB may have faced technological and financial problems, but this does not mean any advantage of the J-20, which in itself is more a compilation of technologies and reengineering than 100% independent development. This is not an anti-Chinese thesis, it is an objective admission of the Chinese themselves, not biased like Sina. Second, the "duck" scheme died out safely back in the late 1960s as an advanced layout of strike aircraft, yielding the palm to the statically unstable one as more advanced in terms of maneuverability. So, to be honest, it jars from such dashing articles in the spirit of National Interests.

[old friend]

The Chinese comrades, in the words of Comrade Stalin's "dizziness from success." There is even a kind of arrogance. Oh well. The illusion may arise that they are the best. Immediately I remember our "little blood on someone else's territory" before the war.
100% of all this mass of high-tech weapons will soon be requested "from the wall" and into the handles (they will want to fight). This will also have to explain that it is better not to meddle in Russia. Europeans have to reset their brains every 100 years, and now these are on the horizon.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: old friend

in the words of Comrade Stalin's "dizziness from success." The illusion may arise that they are the best.

Then, in the words of Comrade Mao, the fate of the paper tiger awaits them.

[Jack O'Neill]

JAS-39 has prospects in the domestic market.
Yes, it is not popular in terms of export, but it holds the domestic air force.

[Ax Matt]

China should not be underestimated! This is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! These "friends" only understand strength. As long as they are guided by mercantile interests and they are plugging their holes with stolen technologies - this is only preparation. As soon as the "critical mass", like shit ... mo in the village toilet under the influence of financial yeast climbs out, expect trouble. They will be interested in everything: our Far Eastern territories, the Pacific zone, Antarctica and the Arctic only from the point of view of MY. And the most ruthless argument in their policy will be: WHAT WILL YOU DO FOR US? India now represents direct competition for them in the form of a state equal in population and the intensity of economic growth. But all the technologies for world domination are now only in Russia and the United States. Therefore, the time will come, and China will gladly chop off both nursing hands ... And then, chaos will begin ... China is a very likely potential threat with claims to WORLD DOMINANCE ...!

[Susul]

Well, understanding this in Russia, first of all, they invested in WMDs like Vanguard and Caliber, it remains only to demonstrate the explosion of a 100 megaton Tsarbomba, well, somewhere in the atmosphere of satellites or Jupiter itself =)

[DDT]

As far as I remember, in the Soviet Union then the Mikoyanites considered the "duck" scheme unpromising? Does the frontal resistance increase, is super-maneuverability not achieved either? So why then? For the sake of appearance? Or is it like a bullpup to shorten the length of the plane? And by the way, the Chinese, in vain they boast so much ... On our 5th generation aircraft, MiG 1.44, by the way, there was also a "duck", and on the experimental "Berkut" Sukhoi were both "plumage" ...
You know, what really confuses me is that Eurofighter and Rafal, in fact, are exact miniature copies of the MiG 1.44 and Su-47. The same schemes of air intakes, the same architecture of fighters, but with one keel, Delta wing, smaller size and armament under the wing ... Everyone is discussing the Penguin so zealously, they say, Yakovlev's copy! And don't see the obvious? Do you think there was betrayal or "convergent evolution"?