"Leader" for the Northern Sea Route. What is interesting about the new icebreaker?

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Atomic "Leader" at work. Graphics by the State Atomic Energy Agency Rosatom / rosatom.ru

On January 15, the government adopted a decree on the construction of the lead atomic icebreaker, project 10510 Leader. The project is already ready, and this year construction financing is opening. In a few years, the ship will go into operation and give our economy new opportunities in the Arctic. All these results will be obtained through the use of modern technologies and promising solutions.

Participants and Dates


The design of the promising atomic icebreaker, Project 10510 / Lider / LK-120Ya, was launched several years ago and was carried out by several organizations. The lead developer was Iceberg Central Design Bureau. OKBM them. I.I. Afrikantov was responsible for the development of a nuclear power plant. The Krylov State Scientific Center took over part of the research and design work. These organizations are not the first to unite to create a new vessel, but this time they had to develop a particularly large-scale project.



To date, almost all major work has been completed. For several years, various tests and design have been carried out. For example, since 2017, the KSCC has repeatedly tested the model of the icebreaker hull with imitation of various conditions and different thicknesses of ice. Pilot products successfully coped with the task and carried out tanker models.

In accordance with Government Decision No. 11 of January 15, 2020, the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom was appointed the state customer for the new construction. FSUE Atomflot, responsible for the operation of all of Russia, has been appointed the developer fleet nuclear icebreakers. The ship was laid at the Zvezda shipbuilding complex in Big Stone.


Power plant architecture. Graphics by the State Atomic Energy Agency Rosatom / rosatom.ru

Budget investments in the construction of the leading Leader will begin this year. The funding schedule is planned for 2020-27. Accordingly, the deadline for the delivery of the vessel was 2027. The total amount of expenses for the icebreaker is 127 577 million rubles.

Technical features


The Leader’s task will be year-round work on the Northern Sea Route with the goal of ensuring navigation and escort of military, commercial or scientific vessels. A number of characteristic technical requirements are associated with this, the implementation of which is associated with the use of modern and promising technologies.

In accordance with the statement of work, icebreaker Ave. 10510 must overcome ice with a minimum speed of at least 4 m with constant movement at a minimum speed. For ice 2 m thick, the constant speed is set at 12 knots. The need for large-tonnage vessels led to high requirements for the width of the hull. It was also required to ensure high autonomy in reserves and a life of 40 years.

According to the project, the new nuclear icebreaker should have a length of 209 m with a maximum width of approx. 48 m. Total displacement - more than 71 thousand tons. Like other vessels of its class, the Leader receives a characteristic high superstructure. The bow deck is closed. A helipad is organized at the stern; there are places for the installation of special equipment or weapons.


In the ice. Graphics by the State Atomic Energy Agency Rosatom / rosatom.ru

The power plant for project 10510 is built on the basis of two water-cooled reactors RITM-400 with a thermal capacity of 315 MW each. The new type of reactor was created on the basis of the RITM-200 product for icebreakers of the LK-60YA type. With maximum unification with its predecessor, the RITM-400 has twice as much power. Resource - 40 years, if necessary, replace the fuel in 5-7 years.

Electric power from the nuclear power plant will be supplied to four engines, driving four constant-pitch propellers. The total power on the shafts is 120 MW. The vessel will be able to reach a maximum speed of 22-24 knots (in clean water); the laying of channels will be carried out at lower speeds. Cruising range - almost unlimited.

The ship will receive a complex of modern electronic equipment providing efficient navigation in all latitudes and in various conditions. Also, means of monitoring the situation, communications, etc. will be used.

In the aft part of the hull there are places for cargo or special equipment. For work with cargoes “Leader” will receive two cranes. Due to the payload in the aft compartment, the icebreaker will be able to solve research, rescue or other tasks. Also, the possibility of installing weapons is not ruled out - in the presence of appropriate threats.


Tests of the icebreaker model, 2017. Photo by OSK JSC / aoosk.ru

The ship will be managed by a crew of 130 people. If necessary, the icebreaker will be able to take on board a research team or other passengers. The autonomy for provisions was set at 8 months. Like other domestic nuclear icebreakers, the new Leader will be distinguished by improved living conditions for the crew and passengers.

Project 10510 / LK-120Ya provides for the construction of the largest and heaviest nuclear icebreaker in domestic and world practice. Such a vessel will be significantly larger and several times heavier than other modern icebreakers, which will provide advantages in basic characteristics. In fact, Atomflot will have at its disposal a unique tool for solving special problems in the harsh conditions of the Arctic.

However, the construction of the Leader icebreakers may be associated with known difficulties. The project is very complex and requires the joint efforts of a number of industries. In addition, he makes special demands on shipbuilders. Finally, new vessels have a record cost. For comparison, the icebreakers LK-60Ya, currently under construction, cost about 50 billion rubles.

Economic benefits


A few years ago, before the completion of the development of Project 10510, the goals and objectives of the new icebreaker became known. In addition, its potential and impact on shipping in the Arctic were actively discussed. According to various estimates, the Leader-type nuclear-powered icebreaker can significantly affect the operation of the Northern Sea Route and increase its main indicators. The appearance of several of these vessels will further affect the economy.

An advantageous combination of basic characteristics and dimensions will allow the Leader to navigate through the ice vessels with a width of up to 35-40 m and a deadweight of up to 180-200 thousand tons. First of all, ice-class tankers or gas carriers are expected. Depending on different conditions, the passage of vessels along the entire length of the Northern Sea Route behind the icebreaker Project 10510 will take no more than 15-20 days.


Layout of the future "Leader". Photo by the Central Design Bureau "Iceberg" / iceberg.sp.ru

Thus, the emergence of a new heavy nuclear icebreaker will speed up transportation along the Northern Sea Route and optimize their economic component. Ultimately, this will positively affect the overall cargo turnover. Our country will be able to increase its transportation and trade, as well as earn money by ensuring the passage of foreign ships.

According to well-known calculations, the optimal indicators of the Northern Sea Route can be obtained in the presence of three atomic icebreakers of the Leader type. The construction of two serial ships so far belongs to the distant future - their service will begin no earlier than the thirties. The receipt of three heavy icebreakers will allow Atomflot to realize all the advantages of both the ships themselves and strategically important Arctic routes.

Icebreakers of the future


“Leaders” will be able to influence the economy only in the distant future, but for now the main task of the industry is to prepare for the construction of the lead vessel. This process is already being completed, and work will soon begin to assemble the first units of the hull of the future icebreaker. The construction will be completed in the middle of the decade, then they will carry out the necessary tests and hand over the icebreaker to the customer. By the time it was commissioned in 2027, industry should begin the construction of two serial vessels.

According to the results of this construction, by the mid-thirties, our country will have three outstanding in all respects icebreakers - not counting a number of other modern ships of this class. The expected results will be based on the latest and most promising technologies and developments in various fields. They will determine the future of the Northern Sea Route and the development of the Arctic as a whole.
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  1. +9
    29 January 2020 06: 17
    Nuclear engineering will cope with its tasks on time. They will say by the year 2025, for example, they will. I haven’t seen tenders yet, but based on the previous scheme for RITM-200 RP, ZiO-Podolsk will be responsible for the complete reactor body, and steam generators and pumps for RITM-400 RP will be manufactured at OKBM named after I.I. Alexandrova.
    1. +9
      29 January 2020 06: 38
      the graphics look amazing ... let's see.
      1. +7
        29 January 2020 10: 00
        Looks like an orca
      2. -23
        29 January 2020 11: 47
        And what about the graphics? Models have already exhibited in the lobby to show Putin?
        1. +1
          29 January 2020 20: 11
          Quote: Angelo Provolone
          And what about the graphics? Models have already exhibited in the lobby to show Putin?

          Senor Parvalone, die.
          1. -17
            30 January 2020 01: 17
            Not? Lick bad. There is a lot of foam plastic around the model. Immediately and large-scale and cheap! There will be a class!
        2. vka
          0
          31 January 2020 14: 24
          Putin is to blame.
        3. 0
          31 January 2020 21: 44
          Quote: Angelo Provolone
          And what about the graphics? Models have already exhibited in the lobby to show Putin?

          Senor Porvolone, l'invidia non è una bella sensazione.
    2. +6
      29 January 2020 06: 45
      Quote: asv363
      OKBM them. I.I. Alexandrova

      Sorry for the typo. Of course, OKBM them. I.I. Afrikantova (Nizhny Novgorod).
      1. +3
        30 January 2020 13: 34
        This is our necessary business, our Northern Sea Route!
    3. +2
      30 January 2020 14: 30
      As for the money for this project, in spite of the considerable sums in ruble form in dollar terms, they do not look so frightening. 1230 billion rubles is 2 (TWO) BILLION / DOLLAR .. IS IT A LOT? WELL FOR EXAMPLE, WE TAKED AND GIVEN 404TH 3 BILLION AND NOT LONG LONGER ANOTHER 2.9 BILLION JUST THE COST OF THREE "LEADERS" .. SO IF THERE IS MONEY THROW THEM IN THE SINTER PIT, THEN YOU CAN FIND SOMETHING FOR SOMETHING. REMEMBER CUBE 32 BILLION (16 LEADERS) AFRICA 20 BILLION (10 LEADERS) THEN THE MONEY IS NOT THE BIGGEST ..
      RS: I apologize for the caps .. When I noticed too lazy to rewrite it feel
      1. -1
        31 January 2020 14: 14
        And what is better than giving, for example, Borbot 7.5 lard?

        https://www.newsvl.ru/vlad/2019/10/11/184553/
  2. +2
    29 January 2020 06: 52
    Of course, I'm a fake nuclear scientist, but a campaign of 5-7 years is not small, by today's standards?
    1. +5
      29 January 2020 13: 01
      30 years ago, they had a company for 15 years, and they asked to slightly reduce it so that they could do all the work at once in a planned overhaul. I quote the uncle - the developer of AZ.
    2. +1
      30 January 2020 14: 56
      Vladimir, I saw your question yesterday. We have developed core loading projects for up to 50 years of operation without replacement, i.e. for the entire life of the submarine or surface warship. This is the mirror response of the United States, they introduced it first. But even I do not know on what projects they are going to implement them with us.
  3. +2
    29 January 2020 07: 01
    When building on SSK Zvezda - 2029, not earlier.
    1. -12
      30 January 2020 01: 22
      Well, if you "master" a lard a year. That fiasco not earlier than 2147.
  4. +6
    29 January 2020 07: 01
    Handsome, of course. Everyone is convinced what to do! Do it.
  5. +2
    29 January 2020 08: 06
    Wonderful ship. The most powerful in its class. What powers appear in Russia! For a long time we did not build such ships. And the size is like a decent aircraft carrier!
    Just would not count on the entry of foreign ships. The economic war is not over. Striped-eared sanctions will be announced ... and they will forbid everyone to swim on the NSR. And everyone will wipe off and will not swim ...
    1. +5
      29 January 2020 08: 55
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      all will wither away and will not swim ...

      This is unlikely. China will definitely spit on the United States. The main advantage will of course be the much shorter route and sailing time between the ports of Northern Scandinavia, Northern Europe and Northern Asia compared to the traditional southern route through the Suez Canal. During 2019, 510 vessels were carried out by our nuclear-powered icebreakers with a total cargo weight of 30,28 million tons, so if to compare in 2018 there were 331 ships and 12,7 million tons of payloads, which means that this year there will be even more of them, including American ones, and they won’t go anywhere. know how to count.
      1. -3
        29 January 2020 19: 43
        And more.
        After the ships from the southern latitudes pass the NSR, it will not be necessary to clear the bottom of the growths.
        Ice will clear everything.
        To shine.
        1. 0
          30 January 2020 10: 16
          Ice will clear everything.
          To shine.
          He will have nothing to clean off there except for possible rust. All organisms fouling bottoms like warm water.
          1. 0
            30 January 2020 10: 39
            The conversation was about movement from Chinese (southern) ports through the NSR to the EU.
      2. -2
        29 January 2020 22: 12
        An icebreaker costs $ 2 billion to recoup it and make a profit, transportation volumes are needed by an order or two greater than 30 million tons. We will not be able to provide such a download. Due to the fact that the United States will 100% prefer to bear small transport costs for them, than at its own expense to strengthen its enemy - Russia. And the will of the United States is binding on Europe. even at a loss for the latter. And there are simply no other recipients of goods from Asia via the Northern Sea Route.
        The fact that now there is a small transit through the Northern Sea Route is simply a deliberate flaw in the United States, an unprincipled trifle because of which it is not worth straining your satellites. That's when significant growth will take place, then an excellent lever of influence on Russia will appear. Great opportunity for sanctions. We ourselves are digging a hole for our own hard-earned 2 billion dollars.
        1. +1
          30 January 2020 11: 01
          2 billion sum for the country is scanty, taking into account the strategy for the future. You think too highly of the United States' ability to impose its will in the future. Times are changing, five years ago, who could have imagined that Iran would launch a missile attack on US bases in Iraq and get off with sanctions? And Turkey will say to the United States or return the money or give the F35, and for now we will buy the C400 contrary to your opinion. Remember 5 years ago, Obama said that the Russian economy was torn to shreds and is in isolation, and in Syria he and Assad would suffer a grand defeat and many in Russia itself echoed him and said everything was gone and where is Obama the predictor now? And what will happen in another 5 years? And if we proceed from your opinion, then there is no need to develop anyway, the omnipotent hegemon will impose sanctions, only I suspect that in 5-10 years the hegemon will be able to "put in his pants" out of anger, but he will not be able to do anything with the SMP. PS And if we imagine at all that the hegemon is not at all omnipotent, and in 5 years such projects as SP2, Turkish Stream, Power of Siberia will start operating at full capacity, the productivity of not only pipe gas but also LNG will increase at the peak "hegemon", not to mention the nuclear power plants under construction ("Akkuyu" -Turkey, "Al-Dabaa" -Egypt, "Kudankulam" -India, "Paksh2" -Hungary, "Ruppur" -Bangladesh, "Syudaypu" -China, "Hahikivi" - Finland,) the "New Silk Road" will go both through Russia by land and along the NSR by water, and in order to moderate the aggressiveness of many Western countries, Russia will put into service, C500 for protection and Vanguards with the Sarmatians to calm down, all this with Daggers and many other "buns", and in parallel with this will increase sales of the C400 to those wishing to jump out from under the cap of the hegemon, and this is just what is heard. Perhaps, based on these data, it should be concluded that well done, there will be a beautiful icebreaker, and not something that: "everything is gone, the hegemon will punish us for 2 billion. He will impose sanctions on us, and the hegemon cannot even conduct full-fledged exercises in the Arctic in winter, so as he has one outdated icebreaker on the move, and you are all afraid of the hegemon's sanctions in the future.
          1. +1
            30 January 2020 12: 40
            Quote: Air Force
            2 billion amount for the country is scanty
            You are a big soul, a billion there, a billion here ... the military budget is only 60 billion dollars, for the amount of about a billion or two we have developed the Su-57 that is really needed for the country, but how much more can we afford?
            Quote: Air Force
            Time is changing, five years ago, anyone could have imagined ...
            You have given interesting data that in the third world countries the authority of the USA is declining. But in the countries of the first world, for which we are building the Northern Sea Route, it is unshakable, and there are no other signs. For example, the US Senator shook a finger at an email (email, Karl! Soon global politics will be done via Twitter!) To companies that are laying the Nord Stream, and they instantly, ahead of their own screech, the same day, jumped out of the project, ignoring any reputational and financial losses! Do you understand how much they fear the wrath of their master?
            Quote: Air Force
            in 5 years such projects as "SP2", "Turkish Stream" will start working at full capacity
            We supply oil and gas to Europe for one reason - the USA cannot 100% close the need for them in Europe, they allow us, in a strictly limited share, to supply the resources they need for cheap, and they sell their gas to Europe for very expensive, and no one there dares to raise the question of their profit and market principles.
            Quote: Air Force
            "The Power of Siberia"
            The power of Siberia is a dubious project, we give the Chinese gas for pennies. But then, okay, here is geopolitics, all the reasons, perhaps, are not visible to us.
            Quote: Air Force
            LNG against the hegemon,
            This is the only thing that this icebreaker can potentially serve, there will be no "new silk road", there is no need to harbor unfounded illusions.
            Let’s even put politics aside, we’ll just look at technical issues — 20000 vessels carrying 800 million tons of cargo pass through the Suzhsky Canal per year. Can a pair of icebreakers (one of three under repair) even hold not 20000, but at least 1000 ships a year? Obviously not. A hundred or two ships is the ceiling. There is nothing to dream of squeezing out any significant share at the Suez Canal. These three icebreakers are basically impossible.
            1. +3
              30 January 2020 13: 51
              I repeat the thought. Very good - when they build something!
              But the question is who should be driven along the NSR except for Norilsk Nickel, Gazprom, Lukoil, Rosneft, Rosshelf, Krasnoyarsk Territory, Sakha-Yakutia, Chukotka. It's just that now there are special queues and during the period when the NSR is open for six months, foreigners are not visible.
              And they dealt with the regions even with the union, for the period when the NSR was opened, and no one built super-icebreakers, although I think they could have easily been dealt with if necessary ..
              The question of profitability is a slight doubt in the payback. Is the budget mainly incurred for the sake of the above commercial companies? And then they will also be exempt from payment for posting, it is easy with us.
              I doubt my colleagues in the profitability and, most importantly, of the primary importance for the country of this icebreaker worth half the Crimean bridge or 2 Boreas or 2 Ash trees. hi
            2. 0
              30 January 2020 13: 58
              Quote: Passing by
              We supply oil and gas to Europe for one reason - the USA cannot 100% close the need for them in Europe, they allow us, in a strictly limited share, to supply the resources they need for cheap, and they sell their gas to Europe for very expensive, and no one there dares to raise the question of their profit and market principles.

              We supplied gas and oil to Europe when the United States did not deliver there from the word at all. And then we will supply, this is not a question.
              1. -4
                30 January 2020 14: 24
                Our share in oil is 25%, and it falls, in gas 47%. Throwing us out of the fuel market is not a problem, for oil at any time, for gas, investments in the distribution infrastructure of Europe will be required, but here is the direct commercial interest of the United States when gas prices rise (they will rise when the US sees fit), and all, goodbye Gazprom, so there are no guarantees for the future, most likely everything is bad.
            3. 0
              30 January 2020 14: 44
              2 billion taking into account the breakdown of this amount for 7 years is not so much, the state will spend about the cost of ten apartments in Moscow-City, per year. The fact that Russia developed the SU-57 for the same amount is an honor and praise for Russia, but the icebreaker fleet needs to be updated, since there is a serious struggle for the Arctic and its bowels, and this struggle cannot be won without icebreakers. As for the alternative to the Suez Canal, the NSR should not completely transfer the entire stream to itself, but as an alternative it is strategically important. As for Europe’s dependence on the United States, no one can argue that at the moment it exists, whatever you say Europe has been occupied since 1945 by a NATO bloc, US bases, financial dictatorship, etc. but we are talking about the future, if the United States were omnipotent they would block SP2 from the very beginning. And the fact that shipowners ran from tail 2 with SP400, it’s not surprising that this is just private enterprises with dollar bills. What about Turkey? The Senator threatened her with a finger, no matter what, but they still bought the C7, and Turkey is the second largest army in NATO. If hegemonic authority falls in third world countries, then the fall in other countries is not far off. The renewal of the Russian icebreaker fleet is strategically important for the country, and it does not need to be considered that this, for fear of remaining 2 billion after XNUMX years. this is silly. And we must take into account here not only the economic moment, but also the military-strategic one, you listen to American generals how they whine that Russia practically won the race for the Arctic.
              1. -1
                30 January 2020 15: 02
                Quote: Air Force
                What about Turkey?

                Quote: Air Force
                If hegemonic authority falls in third world countries, then the fall in other countries is not far off.

                You are too generalizing, specific details that change the picture radically are important. China's inexorable transformation into a superpower allows some countries of the third or second world to begin to ignore the will of the United States. Those countries that do not care who to lean against, the United States or China. But the rise of China does not undermine the loyalty of the natural satellites of the United States, on the contrary, it ties them even more strongly to its only possible pole of power.
  6. +8
    29 January 2020 09: 06
    When I look at it, my first thought is: "How many 3S14 and PU modules for missiles can you cram into such dimensions and displacement?"
    1. 0
      30 January 2020 00: 06
      That's it ... And how many ships and what kind of ships can he bring to the north of the USA to the launch point of the Kyrgyz Republic
      Beautiful car!
      1. 0
        24 February 2020 23: 30
        Quote: Vlad.by
        That's it ... And how many ships and what kind of ships can he bring to the north of the USA to the launch point of the Kyrgyz Republic
        Beautiful car!

        SSBN wiring is not needed.
    2. +1
      30 January 2020 08: 40
      Well, why cram? Set it up neatly
  7. -1
    29 January 2020 09: 19
    Damn .. why on domestic presentations are such wretched 3D renderings? (((
  8. +2
    29 January 2020 09: 22
    Quote: Aerodrome
    the graphics look amazing ... let's see.

    What is amazing about the low poly model? Yes, in games they do much better) As for the render itself, I’m generally silent! Or even save on landfills for the model? Well, I won’t be surprised.
    1. -3
      29 January 2020 09: 42
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      Quote: Aerodrome
      the graphics look amazing ... let's see.

      What is amazing about the low poly model? Yes, in games they do much better) As for the render itself, I’m generally silent! Or even save on landfills for the model? Well, I won’t be surprised.

      do, compare ... or just indignant language?
      1. +3
        29 January 2020 10: 39
        unlike you ... I can not only minus stupidly))) And also be responsible for my words. Although, I think people like you can provide proofs as much as you like, there will be no sense)
  9. +6
    29 January 2020 10: 34
    Quote: Aerodrome
    Quote: Region-25.rus
    Quote: Aerodrome
    the graphics look amazing ... let's see.

    What is amazing about the low poly model? Yes, in games they do much better) As for the render itself, I’m generally silent! Or even save on landfills for the model? Well, I won’t be surprised.

    do, compare ... or just indignant language?

    I’m actually making a living for 15 years already.
    http://www.sstc.spb.ru/product/proektirovanie-sudov/rybopromyslovyy-flot/ вот к примеру, делал модели этому КБ (там не все мои)) есть пара убогих. отличия сразу заметны будут)
    1. +1
      29 January 2020 10: 54
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      I’m actually making a living for 15 years already.

      the better, I look forward to your version of the icebreaker. hiwent to the link, yes, interesting work. pi.si and why did you decide that I minus?
      1. +5
        30 January 2020 03: 47
        Yes, I do not care about this graphics, especially to me, as a ship mechanic. You can draw anything on the monitor. Build in real life is much more difficult, let alone exploit .. Go to the website of any shipyard. It looks beautiful, the specialists drew in the graphics, sitting booty in a chair with a mug of coffee and a working day 8 hours 5 days a week with a break for lunch. And then I come on this steamer and plow 16-20, and it was 40 hours a day for 6 months, in a roar, mud , at temperatures over 50C. Graphic draftsmen, damn it, they drew ... And almost every day I want to find such draftsmen, grab the scruff of the neck, drag the sludge pump to the same (aka sludge pump) and force the oil seal to change on it, in the "sic" position, and there is no other way to crawl, the draftsman designed it in such a way that he felt on his own skin what he painted there.
      2. +1
        30 January 2020 04: 20
        I don’t care about this schedule. It’s good to work, sitting at the computer with a mug of coffee, to design on the monitor. And then, on the basis of this project and the designer, they build a steamer, which I, the engineer on duty, come to. And I work 20 hours a day in a roar mechanisms, in the "sic" position, changing some oil seal on some pump, like a trifle, what is there to change ... But the "designer" designed this pump so that the devil crawl up to it. sitting in a chair at a computer. Or I am trying with the minders to pull the electric motor of the oil pump (for example), which weighs under a ton. Or I am trying to pull out a connecting rod (weighing 7 tons) for a couple of days, but I cannot, because the designer designed this piece of iron in such a way 2-3 days to pull it out, well, he did not take into account, the little things, you think because of the slightest mistake, it will collapse and beat someone ... The main thing is that there is coffee with sugar, and the mechanics on the designed ship are fidgety, they are not used to dragging hoists a multi-ton piece of iron. The main picture is to make a beautiful one. for the caterer to plow for 20 hours, then come to the cabin, eat at least something on the way, pokemar for an hour or two and go to maneuvers, or take over the watch.
        1. 0
          2 February 2020 23: 37
          In furs, as always, stories about hellish labor)))) but in fact the shift to UMS in the cabin. Sorry, I could not help but pin up all the blessings of a calm sea. With respect to your work.
        2. 0
          24 February 2020 23: 39
          You here listed the works of the fourth, third and second mechanics + electro mechanics did not forget)) What kind of watch mechanic are you really? Something magical))
  10. +10
    29 January 2020 10: 49
    Why this article bravado instead of explaining the situation with icebreakers? Is it really impossible to honestly say - a new icebreaker is needed because Yamalmax gas carriers, we have set up a bunch of them big and have a width of 50 m. And all of our existing icebreakers and those under construction have a maximum width of 35 m, so you need 2 icebreakers to wire caravans to Japan and back. This is both expensive and more importantly, it reduces our actual icebreaker fleet by 2 times. Why build a bunch of small icebreakers is not clear. And now we need to consider how these new golden icebreakers will pay off. One thing is clear, there is a lot of dark with the Northern Sea Route, which our press does not like to talk about and does not really want to delve into on this issue, it is better to shout Ura-slogans.
    1. +1
      29 January 2020 14: 24
      Quote: arkadiyssk
      therefore, for the passage of caravans towards Japan and vice versa, 2 icebreakers are needed.
      And if so?
      1. -3
        30 January 2020 01: 26
        Still would have voiced lag speed and fuel consumption. And of course, you can ...)
        You can still circles. Even cooler! And most importantly, innovative
    2. +1
      29 January 2020 14: 27
      Somewhere it has already been written that for the North, ice class ships are needed. Their creation is much more expensive. That's why everyone goes the traditional way through the Indian Ocean.
    3. 0
      29 January 2020 14: 35
      That's right: mega-icebreakers are required for the transit of raw materials from the shelf. And not even 50, 75+ are needed, because the deposits are rich, and consumers are more and more.
    4. 0
      30 January 2020 01: 19
      Quote: arkadiyssk
      Why this article bravado instead of explaining the situation with icebreakers? Is it really impossible to honestly say - a new icebreaker is needed because Yamalmax gas carriers, we have set up a bunch of them big and have a width of 50 m. And all of our existing icebreakers and those under construction have a maximum width of 35 m, so you need 2 icebreakers to wire caravans to Japan and back. This is both expensive and more importantly, it reduces our actual icebreaker fleet by 2 times. Why build a bunch of small icebreakers is not clear. And now we need to consider how these new golden icebreakers will pay off. One thing is clear, there is a lot of dark with the Northern Sea Route, which our press does not like to talk about and does not really want to delve into on this issue, it is better to shout Ura-slogans.

      I'm certainly not an "icebreaker", but some points are still not clear! Firstly, icebreakers are used to move ice, for this 35m icebreaker and 50m tanker is the norm! And breaking pack ice is a completely different story!
    5. +1
      30 January 2020 03: 51
      I know the classes afromax, suezmax, I have a higher maritime education, I have been working in my specialty for a very long time, but at least I haven’t heard about Yamalmaks ... What kind of beast is this? Was it recognized by IMO? Or maybe some registration society?
    6. 0
      24 February 2020 23: 46
      Quote: arkadiyssk
      Why build a bunch of small icebreakers is not clear.

      If this is not clear to you, then where do you come from:
      Quote: arkadiyssk
      One thing is clear, there is a lot of dark with the Northern Sea Route, which our press does not like to talk about and doesn’t really want to delve into, it’s better to shout ur slogans.
  11. -4
    29 January 2020 10: 56
    Quote: Aerodrome
    Quote: Region-25.rus
    I’m actually making a living for 15 years already.

    the better, I look forward to your version of the icebreaker. hi

    Well, that has begun))) I see the liberal immediately. I told him for the schedule, he told me for a real ship! The diagnosis is confirmed! Well, those who wish can follow the link and see the normal graphics for presentations! hi
  12. +5
    29 January 2020 13: 42
    In order for those who wish to sail along the NSR to appear, it is now necessary to prepare a mess from the repertoire of controlled chaos in the Red Sea and the Horn of Africa. I’m not vindictive, but I have a good memory, nothing personal, just a business!
    1. -1
      29 January 2020 14: 33
      "Let's throw" Harpoon Ball "to the Somalis and Yemenis, hehe" :)
    2. 0
      30 January 2020 00: 20
      It's too early, but think in the right direction.
      I suppose you are not alone ...
  13. -1
    29 January 2020 14: 31
    The most needed ship. We need to build more series, because SMP is a "gold mine"
    As well as a series of nuclear-powered lighter carriers and ice-class gas carriers.
  14. -3
    29 January 2020 14: 35
    arranging new cartoons and wooden models and how much money will go to the left and the icebreaker will not be built
    1. +4
      29 January 2020 17: 06
      Quote: Jura-19
      arranging new cartoons and wooden models and how much money will go to the left and the icebreaker will not be built
      they will build it, the question is when and by how much or how much will the price for a unit rise? from my sofa it looks like they’ll build the first one no earlier than 30 years, and one icebreaker will cost, like 2-3 budgets of the Smolensk region. and yes, I almost forgot, maybe by that time there will be no ice in the North or it will remain, but this type of icebreaker will redundant for such ice.
  15. +1
    29 January 2020 19: 57
    We will build icebreakers, no one doubts, even if with a "shift to the right" .... but will there be those ships, the caravans for which these icebreakers are being created? The Northern Sea Route is, of course, shorter ..., but after all, we do everything through "one place" - such tariffs and fees will be "broken" for icebreaker assistance and pilotage services, which will also think: is it profitable to deliver goods from Asia to Europe using the Northern Sea Route! fool
  16. 0
    29 January 2020 21: 45
    If I don’t want to load this icebreaker with balls from bearings, then in the case of World War I, after passing the northern sea route to the enemy’s coast, blow everything to hell.
    Jihad icebreaker so to speak)))
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  18. 0
    30 January 2020 10: 20
    The article is missing the picture.

    Source - rosatom.ru/production/fleet/
  19. +1
    30 January 2020 11: 38
    I don’t understand the financial component, the cost is 127 billion. The service life is 40 years. Depreciation of 3 billion per year without the cost of maintenance. The ice season, well, let it be 9 months of the year. Ok. I don’t know how many ships will go behind the icebreaker. But given the travel time of 15-20 days. then the actual number of flights to ONE side will be 10-15 per season. We divide 3 billion by the number of flights; we get 200-300 million for a one-way flight, it is necessary to collect from ongoing ships. Again, excluding the maintenance and maintenance of the ship. We take the cost and fuel consumption of a container ship ..... easier and cheaper to go through Suez.
    1. 0
      30 January 2020 20: 13
      Quote: Max22284
      I don’t understand the financial component, the cost is 127 billion. The service life is 40 years. Depreciation of 3 billion per year without the cost of maintenance ..

      This is the cost of the first with the development and establishment of a new production. The following will be much cheaper. In addition, industrial facilities will remain. Those. not all 127 yards will be t.s. depreciate the return on the first product.
  20. 0
    30 January 2020 14: 33
    For break-even operation, this remarkable icebreaker will have to carry out annually at least a certain tonnage of transports along the NSR. What are these volumes and what do we intend to carry in such large, obviously, quantities? I'd like to know.
  21. 0
    2 February 2020 23: 27
    70 thousand displacement, that's how much "minced meat" you can stuff there. Honestly, I can't imagine why an icebreaker needs such a displacement.
  22. 0
    30 March 2020 11: 14
    will there be ice 4 meters thick in a dozen or two years? ..
  23. 0
    30 March 2020 11: 16
    Quote: shkiper83
    70 thousand displacement, that's how much "minced meat" you can stuff there. Honestly, I can't imagine why an icebreaker needs such a displacement.

    The technology of ice passage and the requirements for the required channel width dictate what is called the width of the icebreaker and its weight (usually, the icebreaker from acceleration "loads" onto thick ice and breaks with its weight).
  24. 0
    April 16 2020 14: 27
    When they launch it, then I'll say "hurray, we could."
    Wouldn’t it be better to invest these billions in the expansion and modernization of railway lines?
  25. IC
    0
    April 20 2020 11: 42
    The project is technically interesting. But in practical terms, recent events and the unclear outlook for the global economy make us reconsider the perspective of the project.
    1. Financing in the face of an impending large-scale crisis.
    2. The fall in energy prices, lower consumption and the unprofitability of these production conditions in many regions.
    In addition, the increase in cost during the construction process and significant breakdowns in the implementation of the Arctic icebreaker project, like all other large USC projects, raises doubts about the Leader project in the foreseeable future. It is necessary to rebuild the system of organizing the industry as a whole from the beginning.
    1. 0
      6 July 2020 16: 11
      An icebreaker is work for 100 factories. It is better than Anglo-Saxon securities.