A new generation of communications: Russia is slowly introducing 5G, but also dreams of 6G


In Russia, we are going to develop a prototype for the 6G modem. But despite ambitious plans, while our country is seriously behind in the fifth generation of communications. There is no need to talk about 5G dominance.


One can talk about the fact that the new communication standard is gaining true distribution only when it covers more than 60% of subscribers. 4G reached such proportions in Russia in 5,5 years. At the end of October 2019, 81% of smartphones in the country supported the LTE standard.

As for the fifth generation of communications, by 2025, according to the most optimistic forecasts, up to 46 million connections may take place.

Vladimir Putin, speaking to the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, singled out the development of digitalization and the introduction of 5G networks among the priority tasks facing the country.

Nevertheless, Russia lags behind the USA, China, Japan, South Korea and many countries of the European Union. After all, all of them have already decided on the frequency spectrum and are ready for the implementation of networks. In Russia, a dispute continues with representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, who rejected the proposed frequencies as being used by the armed forces and special services. It was this circumstance, along with financing, that became the main reason for the inhibition of the development of the latest communication technologies in the Russian Federation, despite all the orders of the president and the government.

When he was his deputy prime minister, Maxim Akimov called the 3,4-3,8 GHz band optimal for the development of 5G. This range, recall, was used to test unmanned vehicles of Rostelecom, as well as the Skolkovo Foundation. But the Russian Ministry of Defense and Roscosmos opposed, since military equipment is used in this range. Security officials believe that scientific and technological progress is good, but the national security interests of the Russian state are still higher and they cannot be sacrificed for the full implementation of 5G.

As a result, Russia is very at risk of being in the tail of 5G implementation, along with developing countries in Asia and Africa. And this circumstance will inevitably affect the country's economic growth, the introduction of other technologies. Therefore, the military department and supporters of the introduction of 5G for the future of the country and its technological development will still have to come to a compromise.

According to GSMA Intelligence, South Korea has the highest chance of becoming the fifth-generation communications leader in the world. By 2025, 66% of the country's mobile connections will be 5G. The USA and Japan will each have 50% of connections, and China with 36% of connections will be somewhat behind the three world leaders. Another 30% of the total connections will come from the countries of the European Union.

The world average, taking into account the numerous developing countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America, will be 18%, Russia will have 19% of connections. That is, according to the forecast, the lag of our country from world leaders will be very noticeable. Russia has neither its frequency resource nor large-scale financing of the fifth-generation communications development project. Yes, and the average income of a mobile network subscriber in Russia is much higher than in Japan, the USA, South Korea or the European Union, therefore, large-scale investments cannot be expected.

If we talk about the modem for 6G networks, then its prototype is developed by specialists of the Higher School of Applied Physics and Space Technology IFNIT of Peter the Great St. Petersburg Polytechnic University (SPbPU). Such modems will be able to work with 5G towers. The introduction of 6G will be a new step towards the spread of robotics and artificial intelligence, even at an everyday level. However, when our country survives until this time, it is difficult to predict.
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  1. solzh 28 January 2020 13: 22 New
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    Siloviki believe that scientific and technological progress is good, but the national security interests of the Russian state are still higher and they cannot be sacrificed for the full implementation of 5G

    Correctly. I totally agree. Safety should be higher than the need for 5G.
    As a result, Russia is very at risk of being in the tail of 5G, along with the developing countries of Asia and Africa. And this circumstance will inevitably affect the country's economic growth.

    I do not understand with my economic education how 5G can affect economic growth ... Industry, production affects, but 5G ...
    1. Horon 28 January 2020 13: 35 New
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      The introduction of Western technologies leads to the economic growth of Western manufacturers, it is their lobby that promotes digitalization in all.
    2. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 13: 36 New
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      The speed of information exchange. In real time. Offhand: logistics, the Internet of things.
      1. solzh 28 January 2020 13: 41 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        logistics

        How? There is an order, let's say from the site ati, the goods were taken away, the truck was gone. Track cargo? So sorry, but there are enough Internet relics today. Exchange of information ... Which? Maybe my knowledge is out of date ... I was educated back in the 90s ... But what is the country's economic growth?
        1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 13: 43 New
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          Unmanned vehicles, robotic storage systems, production monitoring.
          1. solzh 28 January 2020 13: 44 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Unmanned vehicles, robotic storage systems, production monitoring.

            More or less clear. But still doesn’t reach me laughing
            1. carstorm 11 28 January 2020 14: 04 New
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              each of these points will open up new markets. which means technology means production. what will be followed by technological chains, which means new specialties, etc. Well, let's imagine, for example, the capabilities of drones, for example, on which let's assume we assign the function of delivering something somewhere. this, in your opinion, will not make a revolution in logistics and in the same production of these very unmanned vehicles will not reach a new level? skip and buy in China will be hundreds of yards of money?)))
              1. solzh 28 January 2020 14: 15 New
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                each of these points will open up new markets. which means technology means production. what will be followed by technological chains, which means new specialties, etc.

                We said the same thing when 4G was introduced. But there is no economic growth of the country ...
                1. carstorm 11 28 January 2020 14: 16 New
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                  we do not use opportunities because we are late all the time.
                  1. solzh 28 January 2020 14: 20 New
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                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    we do not use opportunities because we are late all the time

                    That's it! Finally we got to the bottom. In other words, do not implement, do not implement, and we will not or cannot use all the possibilities! Then the meaning of 5G?
                    P.S. And this will not affect the country's economic growth
                    1. carstorm 11 28 January 2020 14: 23 New
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                      here it is more important not to become the first and not to fall behind the rest. the point is this. it's like with the development of processors. where are we and where are the rest? but for us it was critical. Now for some gigantic money we are trying to do at least something of our own and to no avail in essence.
                      1. Astoria 28 January 2020 14: 53 New
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                        for some giant money
                        - enlighten for what?
                      2. carstorm 11 28 January 2020 16: 15 New
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                        it's just that. when there is no technology, no opportunities, no factories at all. which means that all this must be created with nothing from scratch. when you catch up with someone, it always costs much more than at the beginning. it is an axiom.
                      3. Astoria 28 January 2020 18: 50 New
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                        You voiced the figure -
                        giant money
                        , this is how much, or anyhow blurt out?
          2. region58 28 January 2020 17: 45 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            imagine for example the capabilities of drones

            This raises new questions that previously "did not stand." For example, a question of responsibility. Unmanned truck, accident, who is responsible? Artificial Intelligence? And with human casualties? And if you have a choice: save the load and ram the car with people, or go into the ditch and lose the load? Who is the demand? And according to what moral and legal laws? The nuances of darkness ...
        2. Sergey39 28 January 2020 14: 16 New
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          Why is it incomprehensible. Digitalization looks beautiful. UAVs, robots, logistics. And the result will be total control of the population.
        3. genius-f 28 January 2020 16: 16 New
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          To me too. For the transfer of factual data and 3G is redundant, the main thing is the stability of the communication and not the transmission speed, why within the warehouse do you need 3, 4, 5G? And for 4K video, if everyone sits on one channel and 6G is not enough.


          It doesn’t reach me either. For the transfer of factual data and 3G is redundant, the main thing is the stability of the communication and not the transmission speed, why within the warehouse do you need 3, 4, 5G? And for 4K video, if everyone sits on one channel and 6G is not enough.
          1. carstorm 11 28 January 2020 17: 57 New
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            learn technology) it doesn’t work like that)))
  2. purple 28 January 2020 13: 57 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    In real time.

    wassat laughing have you ever used mobile internet?
    What kind of real time speech ???? I went into the building ... oops there is no Internet laughing
    For real tasks, completely different technologies are used .... and it will never be 4G, not 5G, not 6G, or even 7G
    1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 14: 17 New
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      If there is a repeater or microcell in the building, then there is Internet and voice communication.
  • carstorm 11 28 January 2020 13: 37 New
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    you see ... 5G networks will give a powerful impetus to the development of telemedicine, unmanned vehicles, the Internet of things and augmented and virtual reality industries. lag behind and here we’ll not catch up with anything. so there you need a solution to look for and quickly. rather than argue, I will not.
    1. purple 28 January 2020 13: 45 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      5G networks will give a powerful impetus to the development of the fields of telemedicine, unmanned vehicles, the Internet of things and technologies of augmented and virtual reality.

      Why? 4G doesn’t work everywhere with us .... 5G is a dead end ... there is no need to meddle in it, the Future is for Elon Mask and his network of satellites
      1. carstorm 11 28 January 2020 13: 52 New
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        for sure. and for this very reason Americans want to be leaders in 5G)))
        1. polar fox 28 January 2020 16: 12 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          for this reason, Americans want to be leaders in 5G)))

          that is why their Internet is not quite accessible. but in some places it is completely inaccessible .... and they live like that ...
    2. solzh 28 January 2020 13: 48 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      5G networks will give a powerful impetus to the development of industries

      Ask a different question.
      What are today's networks not happy with? Well comes to me like a giraffe laughing
      Assume that 5G will not be implemented, but efforts will be made to create 6G. What can we lose from this?
      1. rich 28 January 2020 14: 00 New
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        In Russia, a dispute continues with representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, who rejected the proposed frequencies as used by the armed forces and special services.

        In other words, security officials do not allow mobile operators to find the point G laughing
      2. carstorm 11 28 January 2020 14: 02 New
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        Well, it’s strange somehow, having no technologies of the previous generation, hoping for the next))) we stupidly fail technologically)
    3. Blue fox 28 January 2020 16: 34 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      you see ... 5G networks will give a powerful impetus to the development of telemedicine, unmanned vehicles, the Internet of things and augmented and virtual reality industries. lag behind and here we’ll not catch up with anything. so there you need a solution to look for and quickly. rather than argue, I will not.

      We already have one "telemedicine" soon :) From the TV screens.
      With pilot cars it doesn’t grow together, where unmanned ones are.
      "Internet of things" is yes, we only have to buy things basically :)))
      And yes, the thing is necessary. Augmented reality would not hurt pensioners, though virtual. And then somehow she recently they have been getting more and more negative.
      1. carstorm 11 28 January 2020 16: 39 New
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        oh well hare. Do not understand what it is? Why are these illiterate speeches? zadolbali you with their slogans to climb into all the topics. take the banner and go to the square. trying to talk on the topic will fit someone with a whining.
  • Whatislove 28 January 2020 14: 22 New
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    National mediocrity is affected by such mediocrity from the Moscow Region and Special Services, but not the network standard
  • region58 28 January 2020 17: 34 New
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    Quote: solzh
    how 5G can affect economic growth ...

    Can affect. And not necessarily upward.
    “India announced its digital economy some time ago. It was planned large-scale digitalization of the country's economy, including the financial sector, tax, public procurement and social benefits. As a result, cash was withdrawn, a lot of cash simply disappeared, the limit on cash transactions was reduced, the commission was canceled, electronic payments were allowed, and a biometric identification program was introduced.
    The result was (this, we note to myself, not my data, this is the report of the International Monetary Fund this year): a decline in industrial production, a slowdown in bank lending, a decrease in overall economic activity and a decrease in India's gross national product by about 1%. This is the question of whether we need to chase or still we need to think a little.
    What conclusions does the IMF draw (again, these are not my conclusions, I’ll say right away that these are conclusions made in the report of the International Monetary Fund). I would formulate it more harshly, they formulate it softer: they say that excessive haste during implementation carries risks, that it is dangerous to force digitalization with a low level of information security. This is the conclusion, which, it seems to me, somewhere in red letters we should write ourselves in the digital economy where we are trying to drive especially quickly. ”
  • Cowbra 28 January 2020 13: 35 New
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    Tell me where 5G is cost effective? Only areas of multi-storey (not even 10 floors) buildings and business centers. Who will set up towers in the urban village every 100-200 meters? The problem is 5G - it is not very applicable anywhere. While the equipment in price does not collapse by 2 orders of magnitude.
    Quote: solzh
    I with my economic education do not understand how 5G can affect economic growth ...

    And in vain. With an increase in traffic by 15% by about 10, the turnover is growing. And freight traffic.
    1. purple 28 January 2020 13: 54 New
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      Quote: Cowbra
      Tell me where 5G is cost effective? Only areas of multi-storey (not even 10 floors) buildings and business centers. Who will set up towers in the urban village every 100-200 meters? The problem is 5G - it is not very applicable anywhere. While the equipment in price does not collapse by 2 orders of magnitude.
      Quote: solzh
      I with my economic education do not understand how 5G can affect economic growth ...

      And in vain. With an increase in traffic by 15% by about 10, the turnover is growing. And freight traffic.

      Well, yes, office plankton in YouTube can now watch 4k vidosiki wassat
      1. Cowbra 28 January 2020 14: 01 New
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        Logistics is almost entirely an exchange of information. And without infrastructure, a network cannot be built. Vidosiki laughing
        1. purple 28 January 2020 14: 07 New
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          Quote: Cowbra
          Logistics is almost entirely an exchange of information. And without infrastructure, a network cannot be built. Vidosiki laughing

          lol and that’s why we need 5G laughing laughing laughing
          for any logistics tasks of the existing infrastructure for the eyes ....
          But in fact, yes ... 5G is only needed to watch 4K vidosiki ... there is no other application for it yet ... and given the instability of mobile Internet, it won’t be
          1. Cowbra 28 January 2020 14: 19 New
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            Real time traffic control in the city. Including control for example traffic lights. Only 5G. Unmanned cars. Only 5G. These are already two options, KA-specifically so increasing freight traffic.
            And so, about the same topic - the economy - raises production. And not economists. The logic is exactly the same winked
            1. Amateur 28 January 2020 15: 53 New
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              Only 5G. Unmanned cars. Only 5G.

              You sit in a brasserie wearing virtual reality glasses and use your 5G to control your unmanned vehicle. Suddenly from the bushes GAI officer. But you are not in the car. And it doesn't smell like beer. Here the GAI officer also will rub off. good
            2. Usher 28 January 2020 16: 41 New
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              Quote: Cowbra
              Real time traffic control in the city. Including control for example traffic lights. Only 5G. Unmanned cars. Only 5G. These are already two options, KA-specifically so increasing freight traffic.
              And so, about the same topic - the economy - raises production. And not economists. The logic is exactly the same winked

              But that traffic lights are not controlled in any way?
              1. Cowbra 28 January 2020 16: 59 New
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                Not in this mode, as expected. In fact, they plan a unified management network in large cities. In the mind - this should unleash the famous Moscow traffic jams. It is on logistics - this is a funky plus. And this is money to the budget purely because of the acceleration of trade. But this will pay off only in 5-10 cities of the Russian Federation. We do not have cities such as Chinese - dozens
  • mmaxx 28 January 2020 13: 37 New
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    Tell us where else will the United States and Europe be?
  • Amateur 28 January 2020 13: 45 New
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    The data transfer rate (roughly speaking, Internet connections) in 4G networks is 100 Mbps.
    In 5G networks, the Internet speed is 1-2 Gbit / s.
    Question: why is such a speed needed in a smartphone? What needs to be transmitted or received at such a speed?
    Information:
    1. WhatsApp quality video communication is provided at a speed of 1 mbt / s (with a large margin), and TV FHD quality is 2 mb / s.
    2G compared to 5G requires at least twice as many repeaters.
    Make a fool of our brother what
    1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 14: 13 New
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      There will be speed, they will find and what to transmit. Once ADSL was considered a miracle, compared to dialup. And now this is a brake.
      8k quality video requires 270 Mbps. Plus, 5g technology is much more energy-efficient for a smartphone - longer battery life. Well, throwing a gig file in a couple of seconds is priceless.
      1. Amateur 28 January 2020 14: 27 New
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        Once ADSL was considered a miracle, compared to dialup. And now this is a brake.

        You are comparing a glass of water, a bucket of water and the Pacific Ocean with the Atlantic. Something is better for one, and something for the other.
    2. Shopping Mall 28 January 2020 15: 56 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      The data transfer rate (roughly speaking, Internet connections) in 4G networks is 100 Mbps.
      In 5G networks, the Internet speed is 1-2 Gbit / s.
      Question: why is such a speed needed in a smartphone? What needs to be transmitted or received at such a speed?
      Information:
      1. WhatsApp quality video communication is provided at a speed of 1 mbt / s (with a large margin), and TV FHD quality is 2 mb / s.
      2G compared to 5G requires at least twice as many repeaters.
      Make a fool of our brother what


      5G equipment itself allows you to transfer traffic cheaper than 4G because of the higher bandwidth. You can refuse to wiring houses. Traffic is also growing.

      The questions "why do I need 2G / 3G / 3G / 5G ..." have always arisen, but after some time people get used to the new technology and do not want to go back.

      By the way, the introduction of 4G in the country is better to consider by the number of 4G BS, and not smartphones. Otherwise, there may be 99% of smartphones supporting 4G and 10% supporting 4G BS.
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    4. Maki Avellevich 28 January 2020 22: 04 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      The data transfer rate (roughly speaking, Internet connections) in 4G networks is 100 Mbps.
      In 5G networks, the Internet speed is 1-2 Gbit / s.
      Question: why is such a speed needed in a smartphone? What needs to be transmitted or received at such a speed?

      not so long ago we used 26k modems.
      to tell someone from those times that they would receive 1000mb on the optical fiber at home, he would burst out laughing in your face.
      why such speeds, he would have said calming down.
      1. Amateur 29 January 2020 06: 18 New
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        1000mb he would burst out laughing in your face.
        why such speeds, he would have said calming down.

        Respected! And you were never told that the speed of the "system" is determined not by the bandwidth of your home fiber-optic modem, but by the processing speed of the server, trunk channels, etc. The actual download time to my old laptop with a 33k modem and the current optic modem of 100 mb / s, for example, "mail.ru", has decreased by 20-5 times over 6 years, downloading attached files - by 20-30 times. So to say that real time has been reduced by more than 3000 times is not necessary. So on optics, 100 mb / s for the home is redundant.
        1. Maki Avellevich 29 January 2020 06: 55 New
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          So on optics, 100 mb / s for the home is redundant.

          I repeat, 20 years ago even 5 Mb / s was fantastic and, in your opinion, also an excessive speed.
          today the situation has changed a bit, isn't it.
          or do you think that you can stop there and until the end of time will be satisfied with the technologies that are now?
          1. Amateur 29 January 2020 07: 24 New
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            or do you think that you can stop there and until the end of time will be satisfied with the technologies that are now?

            We are talking specifically about the G5 mobile networks. Once again I repeat my question: why does a mobile device a la smartphone have such speed. Not a stationary object with millions of sensors and thousands of web cameras and hundreds of servers, namely a smartphone.
      2. Rec
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        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        26k modems

        All the same, 56k (kbit / s).
        1. Maki Avellevich 30 January 2020 06: 47 New
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          All the same, 56k (kbit / s).

          56 this is when progress has begun, we started at 28.8kbit / s. (I made a mistake by memory on 2.8, then they were called 28)
  • smaug78 28 January 2020 14: 01 New
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    "But despite ambitious plans, so far our country is seriously behind in the fifth generation of communications." - Compared with who is behind? Examples with numbers possible?
  • Seld 28 January 2020 14: 04 New
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    Quote: Cowbra
    Tell me where 5G is cost effective? Only areas of multi-storey (not even 10 floors) buildings and business centers. Who will set up towers in the urban village every 100-200 meters? The problem is 5G - it is not very applicable anywhere. While the equipment in price does not collapse by 2 orders of magnitude.
    Quote: solzh
    I with my economic education do not understand how 5G can affect economic growth ...

    And in vain. With an increase in traffic by 15% by about 10, the turnover is growing. And freight traffic.


    I fully agree.
    We can add: a 5G data transfer rate means in fact: a higher amount of information exchange at higher speeds with less loss (this is not a packet transfer !!!!), which is critical for on-line data processing, including , to begin the real development of the digital economy (not an on-line bank. payments / purchase of goods through the Internet or filling out receipts on the sites, NOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!! to one authority "), when the maximum amount of information transmitted at maximum speeds with minimal losses and data delays per second plays a key role. And examples of this ..... are! Indeed, an unmanned mafyna ... when a delay / error in transmitting information can become fatal for a man.
    But not only! There are examples from the real economy ...
    1. region58 28 January 2020 18: 00 New
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      Quote: seld
      unmanned mafyna ... when a delay / error in transmitting information can become fatal for a man.

      That is, not only speed is important, but also ping. How is it with real ping in 5G?
  • Seld 28 January 2020 14: 11 New
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    Quote: smaug78
    "But despite ambitious plans, so far our country is seriously behind in the fifth generation of communications." - Compared with who is behind? Examples with numbers possible?


    See data for China and South Korea.
    Information on Europe and Germany is interesting, including Very interesting! Googel to the rescue. In general, 5G technology is not LTE at all. Nah ...
    Both the Equipment and the installation technology of transmission systems are very different. The subtleties there are the sea.
  • purple 28 January 2020 14: 17 New
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    Quote: seld

    We can add: a 5G data transfer rate means in fact: a higher amount of information exchange at higher speeds with less loss (this is not a packet transfer !!!!), which is critical for on-line data processing, including , to begin the real development of the digital economy (not an on-line bank. payments / purchase of goods through the Internet or filling out receipts on the sites, NOOOOOOT !!!!! to one authority "), when the maximum amount of information transmitted at maximum speeds with minimal losses and data delays per second plays a key role.


    Well, yes ... this has nothing to do with the digital economy ... 4G and even HSPA do just fine with it. There are no "data volumes" ... about separate packet transmission lol

    Quote: seld
    Indeed, an unmanned mafyna ... when a delay / error in transmitting information can become fatal for a man.

    And where does the unmanned vehicle? Where does she transmit the data? And what is her connection with 5G? Do not confuse warm with sweet ....
    1. Seld 28 January 2020 14: 29 New
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      And if in addition to jokes (although how is it possible, without jokes?!?!?!) Then in a search engine, for example, in "I .... se" write "Why 5g for unmanned cars." There you will find the answer to “warm and sweet”, you are our specialist in the field of high-speed data transfer!
      Yours!
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        Quote: seld
        And if in addition to jokes (although how is it possible, without jokes?!?!?!) Then in a search engine, for example, in "I .... se" write "Why 5g for unmanned cars." There you will find the answer to “warm and sweet”, you are our specialist in the field of high-speed data transfer!
        Yours!

        Well looked and what? If we are talking about Vehicle-to-Everything, then it’s still someone’s dreams and projects ... like the fact that only 5G is not limited and all this is at the initial testing stage, and what kind of result it will all take on, and whether it will be accepted at all
  • alekc75 28 January 2020 14: 17 New
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    and then 5 is detrimental to bees and humans, this is normal !!!! what will have to double the tower construction is also good ????
  • Operator 28 January 2020 14: 19 New
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    GHz 5G operating in the radar range sucks. Steering terahertz 6G, operating outside the radar range, the implementation of which is planned from 2030.

    Therefore, the RF Ministry of Defense did the right thing without agreeing on the slop 5G. The United States Defense Department did the same.

    And let South Korea play in its 5G sandbox.
  • Amateur 28 January 2020 14: 22 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    8k quality video requires 270 Mbps

    Watching 8K quality video on the smartphone screen is the same as listening to opera in the car with the most advanced acoustics, instead of going to the theater.
    Well, throwing a gig file in a couple of seconds is priceless.

    There gig-gig here. there again, here again. Inspired by:
    Paranoid draw zeros
    Schizophrenics knit brooms
    Well, just the nervous ones, they probably sleep soundly (V. Vysotsky)
    1. region58 28 January 2020 18: 03 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      listen to opera in the car with the most advanced acoustics, instead of going to the theater.

      Perhaps a comparison is more suitable to listen to the opera through the same smartphone. yes
  • Seld 28 January 2020 14: 25 New
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    Quote: purple
    Quote: seld

    We can add: a 5G data transfer rate means in fact: a higher amount of information exchange at higher speeds with less loss (this is not a packet transfer !!!!), which is critical for on-line data processing, including , to begin the real development of the digital economy (not an on-line bank. payments / purchase of goods through the Internet or filling out receipts on the sites, NOOOOOOT !!!!! to one authority "), when the maximum amount of information transmitted at maximum speeds with minimal losses and data delays per second plays a key role.


    Well, yes ... this has nothing to do with the digital economy ... 4G and even HSPA do just fine with it. There are no "data volumes" ... about separate packet transmission lol

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    Indeed, an unmanned mafyna ... when a delay / error in transmitting information can become fatal for a man.

    And where does the unmanned vehicle? Where does she transmit the data? And what is her connection with 5G? Do not confuse warm with sweet ....


    Ahhhh, well - yes ..... The car itself rides. I forgot .... Indeed, I pressed the button and - rides and rides and rides .... Itself ...
    There, in the navigator, poke her finger, she remembers the marfruit and rides and rides and rides, rides and rides and rides, rides and rides and rides. And she does not need to interact at "instant" data rates with "minimal errors" with the surrounding infrastructure.
    Mostly, the pactronic shop worked .... Yeah ...
    Almost like a tank on the radio .....
    "Where is she transmitting the data?" - really .... ANYWHERE, it turns out, in your opinion.
    Well, perhaps, brothers in mind on the moon or alpha-centaurus.
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    Quote: seld


    Ahhhh, well - yes ..... The car itself rides. I forgot .... Indeed, I pressed the button and - rides and rides and rides .... Itself ...
    There, in the navigator, poke her finger, she remembers the marfruit and rides and rides and rides, rides and rides and rides, rides and rides and rides. And she does not need to interact at "instant" data rates with "minimal errors" with the surrounding infrastructure.
    Mostly, the pactronic shop worked .... Yeah ...
    Almost like a tank on the radio .....
    "Where is she transmitting the data?" - really .... ANYWHERE, it turns out, in your opinion.
    Well, perhaps, brothers in mind on the moon or alpha-centaurus.


    Well, what will happen? What infrastructure ... what are you talking about? An unmanned vehicle is first and foremost an AI on board, and a bunch of sensors ... and believe me, these sensors are not connected to the 5G AI ... but stupidly with wires ... because it is reliable, this is people's life ...
    No one in their right mind will trust people's lives on the mobile Internet.
    1. Seld 28 January 2020 14: 48 New
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      in a search engine, for example, in "I .... se" write "Why 5g for unmanned cars." There you will be answered .....
    2. Maki Avellevich 28 January 2020 22: 12 New
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      Quote: purple
      Well, what will happen? What infrastructure ... what are you talking about? An unmanned vehicle is first and foremost an AI on board, and a bunch of sensors ... and believe me, these sensors are not connected to the 5G AI ... but stupidly with wires ... because it is reliable, this is people's life ...

      my relative works in the company supplying prog. providing Volkswagen.
      on the topic of unmanned vehicles says there is a serious question. how the computer will taxi out of non-standard situations. for example, a tree fell on the road, etc. so far, a decision is being made that the human operator will take control from far away and bring the machine out of a situation that the computer is not able to solve (for now)
      we are talking about completely unmanned, such as trucks, public transport, etc.
      here high-speed internet just right.
  • smaug78 28 January 2020 14: 33 New
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    Quote: seld

    See data for China and South Korea.
    Information on Europe and Germany is interesting, including Very interesting! Googel to the rescue.

    I looked well done in South Korea and China with Switzerland. We are far behind them. With others +/-, nothing special.
    Quote: seld

    In general, 5G technology is not LTE at all. Nah ...
    Both the Equipment and the installation technology of transmission systems are very different. The subtleties there are the sea.

    And this is generally unclear why.
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      Literally, it is literally to this: "5G technology is not LTE at all."
      To understand the difference between 5G and LTE ... It's not just about speed and volume.
      And then all the users can use Gugels ....
      "LTE (literally from the English. Long-Term Evolution - long-term development, often referred to as 4g LTE) - a standard for wireless high-speed data transmission for mobile phones and other terminals working with data"
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        Dear, I didn’t ask you about LTE ...
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    and then 5 is detrimental to bees and humans, this is normal !!!! what will have to double the tower construction is also good ????


    Yes, there is such a thing ... Towers need more ....
  • Sapsan136 28 January 2020 14: 58 New
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    Here you need to be more careful, as a number of camps have banned 5G because of the harmful effects on people's health ... Perhaps it makes sense to leave such a quick connection only to the military, since such a speed is not critical for the population ...
  • rocket757 28 January 2020 14: 58 New
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    A new generation of communications: Russia is slowly introducing 5G, but also dreams of 6G

    Somewhere, sometimes we sometimes !!! And our connection is expensive and sucks !!! Only today, he was cursing with the Beeline, having fallen for their mercy.
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    Dear, I didn’t ask you about LTE ...


    So, I did not understand your question correctly. Sorry!
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      Yes, nothing and I happen to mess it updrinks
  • Grandfather Crimea 28 January 2020 15: 13 New
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    If you take into account the size of the country with Korea, Germany .... That even with amers, though it is difficult to compare. Communication is private, foreign capital is naturally annoying and correct. Defense is first and foremost. All that is more than 4G is harmful to health, due to the density of the coating and intense exposure, this should also be remembered.
  • Seld 28 January 2020 15: 27 New
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    Siloviki believe that scientific and technological progress is good, but the national security interests of the Russian state are still higher and they cannot be sacrificed for the full implementation of 5G

    Correctly. I totally agree. Safety should be higher than the need for 5G.
    As a result, Russia is very at risk of being in the tail of 5G, along with the developing countries of Asia and Africa. And this circumstance will inevitably affect the country's economic growth.

    I do not understand with my economic education how 5G can affect economic growth ... Industry, production affects, but 5G ...


    Bad .... Very bad! Are you by any chance not a graduate of the Higher School of Economics with an excellent diploma?
    ".... I don’t understand how 5G can affect economic growth ... Industry, production affects, but 5G ...." - we look at Google, the origins and history of Ford factories, the effect of conveyor automation.
    By the way, cellular technology, this, in fact, is the same pipeline, only radio ...
    And when a solid 5G coverage comes, many economists with an “economic education” will have to urgently re-qualify themselves as management houses. If they do not change their worldview in modern realities ...
    Recall the introduction of camputers .... Yeah-yeah .... Also - information technology, by the way. And it was very pathetic to Bulhgalhteroffffffff when their titanic weeks-long tinder on paper with the counts of the camputer decided in a couple of clicks. The economic effect of Nuna explain?
    Recall faxing information ... Continue next? Do you understand the "economy"? Staralso on the fingers ...
    Yours!
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      Recall the introduction of camputers .... ... a week-long tinder on paper with bills the camputer decided in a couple of clicks. The economic effect of Nuna explain?

      Nuna. Why then the number of accountants is increasing almost exponentially? Why is almost everything duplicated on paper? Are you familiar with clerical work in government agencies? Tons of paper ...
      And, yes, N.I. Kaspersky (which I have already quoted) probably disagrees with you. It is difficult to call her ignorant in these matters.
      Quote: seld
      Your humble servant began with a daylap.

      Your humble servant began when there was still no dayalap ... However, this is not an indicator.
      Sincerely. hi
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    Quote: seld
    And if in addition to jokes (although how is it possible, without jokes?!?!?!) Then in a search engine, for example, in "I .... se" write "Why 5g for unmanned cars." There you will find the answer to “warm and sweet”, you are our specialist in the field of high-speed data transfer!
    Yours!

    Well looked and what? If we are talking about Vehicle-to-Everything, then it’s still someone’s dreams and projects ... like the fact that only 5G is not limited and all this is at the initial testing stage, and what kind of result it will all take on, and whether it will be accepted at all


    It is also intelligible here https://zoom.cnews.ru/publication/item/63123
  • Ros 56 28 January 2020 16: 08 New
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    Russians slowly harness, but drive fast. I hope to justify the saying.
  • Puzoter 28 January 2020 16: 14 New
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    The only justified use of 5 / 6g, in my opinion, is biometrics. Pay attention to how developments on this topic have been stepped up in recent years - in our country Gref advertises in everything, Boses implements in the USA, almost total face control all over the country in China. Naturally, for identification by biometric data, especially by face, ultra-high-speed lines of communication with a central server are needed, moreover, not some special, but public ones so that every store or ATM can purchase a modem and configure communication without any special expenses. The second question is, what will this give the population? Pros: faster and safer settlements in stores, reduced retail costs, no need to carry cards with you. Cons: total financial, but essentially absolute control. After the universal introduction of biometrics, the withering away, and then the abolition of bank cards and cash will follow. If God forbid, then, claims from the authorities will appear to you, then you won’t use your mother’s card anymore, which means you can theoretically do anything and pass any anti-people laws. By the way - remember the seal of the devil on the forehead or right hand? Sounds like prints and face control, right? And who is not in the database - he can neither buy nor sell.
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      "Ivan Vasilievich, when you say, sometimes it seems to me that you are raving." K.F. "Ivan Vasilievich ...."
      "By the way - remember the seal of the devil on the brow or right hand?" - why? ..... Why did you refuse to continue to be treated? Go back to the ward! There is waiting for you and Chelo, and Desnitsa and even the Nurse with a bow ....
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      Quote: puzoter
      especially in the face

      What to do with the twins? wink
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        Do nothing, everything has been done - even an iPhone can distinguish between them.
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    Sorry, but 5 or 6 ji, this is not about speed, it's about the response time from the device .... In other words, you can make corrections faster and more accurately, but the same range that will be used for this is not the best, it's easy to suppress the noise, but the same forest to quickly crush the signal. This technology is for megacities.
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      This is about the response time from the device ....

      What will cause the decrease in ping in 5G networks?
  • steelmaker 28 January 2020 16: 40 New
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    Belgium abandoned 5G at the state level. Because the antennas for transmission must be installed every 500 meters. And this is an increase in exposure, and as a result, an increase in cancer! Is it really only Belgium that cares about the health of its citizens?
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      The electromagnetic field does not depend on the number of towers, which means that the number of towers does not directly affect health.
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    Quote: puzoter
    The only justified use of 5 / 6g, in my opinion, is biometrics. Pay attention to how developments on this topic have been stepped up in recent years - in our country Gref advertises in everything, Boses implements in the USA, almost total face control all over the country in China. Naturally, for identification by biometric data, especially by face, ultra-high-speed lines of communication with a central server are needed, moreover, not some special, but public ones so that every store or ATM can purchase a modem and configure communication without any special expenses. The second question is, what will this give the population? Pros: faster and safer settlements in stores, reduced retail costs, no need to carry cards with you. Cons: total financial, but essentially absolute control. After the universal introduction of biometrics, the withering away, and then the abolition of bank cards and cash will follow. If God forbid, then, claims from the authorities will appear to you, then you won’t use your mother’s card anymore, which means you can theoretically do anything and pass any anti-people laws. By the way - remember the seal of the devil on the forehead or right hand? Sounds like prints and face control, right? And who is not in the database - he can neither buy nor sell.


    And the "Only justified use" of the computer and tyrnet is to lay out a solitaire pigtail. Why else?
    By the way, in the face of my face without any "10G" right now I go to work. Well, that’s how we set up the access system. In Moscow, there are already stores where they test face-to-face payment. And again, without any 5/6 G ....
    1. Puzoter 28 January 2020 16: 58 New
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      5g compared to 4g is just speed. You can test and run biometrics only now, but for mass use you need faster speeds. At work, your “face” was photographed in the personnel department, but each store will not take a picture of each customer to create a database. Stores will connect to a central server. In general, I did not hear a single distinct counterargument. Better give an example where it is still realistically necessary now to use such speeds, besides watching 4k, etc. And what exactly will the lag happen if all this is not implemented.
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    Quote: Ros 56
    Russians slowly harness, but drive fast. I hope to justify the saying.


    And such an effect .... COMPLETELY normal! An example of this: Arab countries. Almost immediately, they jumped from the "wire telegraph" to cellular communication 3/4 G. This effect, by the way, is quite well known and taken into account by economists and analysts when forming the budget for the construction of communication networks. There are so many paradoxical phenomena ...
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    Quote: puzoter
    5g compared to 4g is just speed. You can test and run biometrics only now, but for mass use you need faster speeds. At work, your “face” was photographed in the personnel department, but each store will not take a picture of each customer to create a database. Stores will connect to a central server. In general, I did not hear a single distinct counterargument. Better give an example where it is still realistically necessary now to use such speeds, besides watching 4k, etc. And what exactly will the lag happen if all this is not implemented.


    So ok?
    https://zoom.cnews.ru/publication/item/63123
    It is also intelligible ...
    To see the use of 5G only for passing through the turnstile and paying by the person - do not see ANYTHING. Do you offer to save personally to you here all tyrnet? Too lazy to read?
    "it’s still really necessary to use such speeds now, besides watching 4k, etc." - google remote operations with the DaVinci robot.
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      I read the article. What can I say: most of the points about smart homes, cities, farms, etc. So, 5g speeds are not needed for this. Recently, a new communication standard has appeared specifically for LORA sensors. Do you know what data rate it provides? Dozens of bytes (bytes, Karl!) With a range of tens of kilometers. With this technology, you can build a smart farm without any g at all. The remaining items are tracing paper from 4g ads. And remote diagnoses and cars that have been exchanging information for twenty years have already been heard and nowhere has this been done. Because it is not necessary probably. There is not a single argument for investing tens of billions in this article. Well, and the robot ... Cool of course, but he will never beat back the invested money.
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    The speed of information exchange. In real time. Offhand: logistics, the Internet of things.

    Moreover, this is real. But the most terribly interesting thing will begin when all this GIANT web / chain (simultaneous and instant interaction between: buyer, store, manufacturer, forwarder, economist / accountant, janitor, housing and communal services, databases, analysis of requests on the Internet and so on ... and that's it at the same time, instantly !!!!!) will start to work ... sss .... ah! .... completely automatically. Like, ssss .... and ... a smart refrigerator that he orders for us beer with croissants .....
    The economic global effect can turn out to be ooooooo very ambiguous ...
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      Quote: seld
      smart refrigerator that he orders for us beer with croissants .....

      Do not find it more profitable for sellers of beer and croissants?
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    Quote: puzoter
    I read the article. What can I say: most of the points about smart homes, cities, farms, etc. So, 5g speeds are not needed for this. Recently, a new communication standard has appeared specifically for LORA sensors. Do you know what data rate it provides? Dozens of bytes with a range of tens of kilometers. With this technology, you can build a smart farm without any g at all. The remaining items are tracing paper from 4g ads. And remote diagnoses and cars that have been exchanging information for twenty years have already been heard and nowhere has this been done. Because it is not necessary probably. There is not a single argument for investing tens of billions in this article. Well, and the robot ... Cool of course, but he will never beat back the invested money.


    The robot "beat off". On my body More precisely, on the body of my wife. But I also got scars on my heart muscle.
    "Because it is probably not necessary. There is not a single argument for investing tens of billions in this article." - allow me to object: probably because technology was not enough.
    And about the tens of yards you tell the Chinese and Koreans. Especially the Chinese.
    By the way, at first everything is expensive. But with / after launching products on a large flow, everything falls into place. Remember the price of cellular communications in the early 200000000, the cost of a simple push-button cellular equipment. And how much did the first wifi modems cost?!?!?!?! But your humble servant began with a daylap. And now?
    You know, even digital TV can, in principle, be transmitted through copper ... However, well, they throw fiber. For reasons of which there are many.
    Yours!
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      Quote: seld
      started with a daylap.

      From those times: wassat
      In a girl, I first pay attention to the hair. Then to the eyes. Then to the lips. Then to the neck ... I have Dial-up ...

      It was suggested that pictures on porn sites should not be downloaded from above, but from below.
  • Seld 28 January 2020 17: 50 New
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    Here it’s interesting, not about 5g, but still interesting
    https://news.rambler.ru/scitech/39970222-kak-oplatit-pokupku-litsom/
    How to pay in the face with a face ...
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    All Gs are just standards for transmitting radio data from the tower to the end device.
    My personal opinion is that 5g will not fundamentally change anything, except that everyone will have to buy new smartphones again.
    (And why-this is also the development of the economy and plus to GDP :))
    Before mass coverage of 4g, a 3g device was enough for surfing. And now at 3g the speed is almost dialup, everything is clogged with new traffic.
    The main delays are in the communication of the tower with the host and further to the destination server. And while there is not embroidered, at least 5, at least 10, the speed will be almost the same.
    The megaphone accelerated the network to 400 Mbps.
    But when I finally installed the unfortunate XDSL modem at home through a telephone pair (!!!), only then did I feel that the Internet could be fast and reliable.
    Critical sudden delays in transmission still will not give you the opportunity to put dangerous things on the remote control.
    And industrial communication sits on its optical fiber and radio communications; it is still very far from it both in speed and reliability.
    Conclusion: 5g will not do much. You can safely skip a generation.
    Or a couple. laughing