To the question of the role of Stalin. You need to study the era, not stigmatize!

To the question of the role of Stalin. You need to study the era, not stigmatize!

The 75th anniversary of the Victory over Nazi Germany puts the question of the role of the USSR leader Joseph Stalin in the spotlight. Revisionists of all stripes, led by Polish figures who have returned to their old Pilsuda course, seek to rewrite history World War II, to humiliate and slander Stalin and the USSR, and resort to Hitler's argument against Stalin and the USSR. This does not bother them at all, they think that they are equating Hitler and Stalin with responsibility and “totalitarianism,” while they are actually equating themselves with Hitler!


However, even in Russia, some sing "praises" to Stalin, while others blaspheme him with the last words after Western experts and Russophobes. One can say that Stalin himself spoke about these “deviations” in the joke attributed to him: “Both are worse!” He communicated on equal terms with Churchill and Roosevelt, they respected Stalin during the war years, and did not accuse them of “totalitarianism,” or they then lied ?

Revolutionary era


Speaking about Stalin, we must remember that before his revolutionary activities he received a good education at the seminary, although he did not pass final exams, but received the knowledge and argued with Trotsky on “theological” issues. Hence his oratorical abilities.

Stalin was a revolutionary and lived in a revolutionary era: “The cruel age - cruel hearts!” Our humanists, including even Posner, don’t know this, are they illiterate? Therefore, they compare the "dictator" with the peaks of his couch humanism? Who would they be in his cruel age?

Our “humanists” compare the internationalist Stalin with the ultranationalist Hitler and at the same time talk about their “objectivity”! “They are dictators!” Yes, but different, but not at all the same. Stalin can be compared with Robespierre, Danton, Napoleon, other "left" figures and dictators - this is his "dictatorial" revolutionary historical series.

They forgot that the USSR was proclaimed the "dictatorship of the proletariat", according to the communist theory of the great European scholar Karl Marx, or the illiterate? They do not have claims to the founder of communism and the author of Capital regarding the justification of the "dictatorship of the proletariat". Perhaps we should raise the question of the responsibility of Europe for spreading the ideology of the "dictatorship of the proletariat"?

At the beginning of the twentieth century, Europe - the slave owner of the world


At this time in Europe - it is entirely dictators and colonial democracies. All the leading Western countries during this period were colonial "democracies", that is, slave-owning countries, we do not know this, are illiterates? Or is a slave owner better than a dictator?

The Molotov Pact - Ribbentrop was dragged out of the context of those years as a conviction; you see, he contains secret protocols on the partition of Poland, how inhumane! That at that time it was the norm, we don’t know, illiterates?

Pilsudski Poland concluded its “pact” with Hitler first, in 1934, and then all the “democracies” of Europe joined in, although Mein Kampf was written by Hitler in 1933, they did not read it, were they illiterate? Or were they looking forward to when Hitler would begin the “campaign to the East” he had announced?

It was clear to Stalin and all politicians in Europe that Hitler decided to attack Poland when he proposed that the USSR sign the non-aggression pact in August 1939. And what, the USSR had to defend the "Pilsudan" Poland hostile to him? A country that itself had hatched plans for a "campaign to the East"? Or silently let Hitler immediately reach its borders?

England then signed a military treaty with Poland, and the USSR was denied a military alliance. England betrayed Poland, the USSR acted in the interests of its security by signing a non-aggression pact with Germany. Poland was dealt with in the same way as it had before done with Czechoslovakia, sharing it with Hitler. Do not dig a hole to another! Such were those times!

By the way, the start of World War II in Europe can rightfully be considered the capture of Czechoslovakia by Hitler and Poland. This will be an adequate response to Polish and other European insinuations.

Winners are not judged


Stalin was the winner, under his personal leadership of the USSR and the Red Army defeated Hitler, while all European "democracies" fell under Hitler, worked for him and even fought for him, except England.

Today, this victory of the USSR over Hitler, the descendants of his accomplices are trying to steal from us, equating Stalin with Hitler, the winner of the defeated enemy. And the Nuremberg Tribunal does not burn their conscience! They forget the historical postulate: “Winners are not judged!” Because history will condemn such pseudo-historians anyway.

The era of Stalin needs to be studied, not praised or stigmatized. And respect her tragedy and victory. We will have no other story, but from comprehending this revolutionary and military element, you see what good will come of it.
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  1. Vend 28 January 2020 15: 03 New
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    And branding is always easier, and that is characteristic, of any era, even modern.
    1. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 15: 32 New
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      Quote: Wend
      And branding is always easier, and that is characteristic, of any era, even modern.

      Those who did not live in that era are especially fond of branding.
      1. Vend 28 January 2020 15: 35 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: Wend
        And branding is always easier, and that is characteristic, of any era, even modern.

        Those who did not live in that era are especially fond of branding.

        Yes, and those who lived are also available in this camp)
        1. your1970 28 January 2020 15: 51 New
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          Well, the author also went too far to indecent .....
          "argued Trotsky in "theological" issues. Hence his oratorical abilities. "- Stalin could argue on theological issues - Trotsky’s education allowed him to do this on a professional level. Orthodox theology implies an argument and conviction of the enemy ...
          But at the same time, Stalin was not a speaker, he made not so many speeches in large public over his life. They are all known and there are recordings of them. The sentences are short and even a little clumsy (a foreign language affects).
          Another thing is that his real authority as a leader made people listen to him with bated breath.

          And Trotsky, who was undoubtedly the most experienced and skilled orator, capable of igniting the crowd and leading him, undoubtedly exceeded Stalin in oratory ...
          But it’s one thing to say beautifully, and quite another to do ...

          History long ago distributed everything - to whom an ice ax is in the head, and to whom are flowers to the grave 60 years after death
          1. The leader of the Redskins 28 January 2020 19: 22 New
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            Amazing The second article of Kamenev, in my memory, where he does not brand Ukroin! But he began to drag Poland from all sides. This suggests the deepest parallels of the author’s work with the general line ...
            1. Olgovich 29 January 2020 12: 27 New
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              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              But he began to drag Poland from all sides.

              Tell me: HOW in the story of Stalin era, not to mention ... Poland ?! belay
              Polish question is one of key WWII issues.
        2. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 16: 06 New
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          Quote: Wend
          Yes, and those who lived are also available in this camp.

          Well, and where without them.
      2. izaira 28 January 2020 17: 19 New
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        Quote: tihonmarine
        Those who did not live in that era are especially fond of branding.

        Have you lived under the power of Dzhugashvili?
        I doubt it. Even if they lived, but at an unconscious age.
        1. olegactor 28 January 2020 17: 21 New
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          and you lived under Stalin ..... or about that time judge Solzhenitsyn’s book
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            1. opk
              opk 28 January 2020 19: 00 New
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              Quote: izaira
              Nevertheless, you give such a distinguished person (Nobel laureate, by the way) an assessment

              laughing
              here you are "foreign" give laughing since when did this liar become well-deserved. although yes, you're right, he is the Honored Traitor of the Russian People.
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                1. opk
                  opk 28 January 2020 19: 35 New
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                  Quote: izaira
                  What do you have to do with the Russian nation? I think no. The usual representative of the "Soviet people."

                  laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
                  Thanks "foreign" had fun.
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            3. Umalta 28 January 2020 20: 10 New
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              Well, bananababama is also a Nobel laureate, and camp life is very plausibly described by Varlam Shalamov. I recommend reading. I will not list other extremely “worthy” laureates.
          2. marmalade 28 January 2020 18: 16 New
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            he was not only patient - he was a rat fittter and crap a nursing hand
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              1. marmalade 28 January 2020 19: 08 New
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                yes yes, we know who gets this Nobel Prize in this area .. so again, by the way, dear
                1. Arlen 1 February 2020 13: 06 New
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                  Quote: Marmalade
                  yeah we know who gets this nobel prize

                  Especially those who received the Nobel Peace Prize. If you look at all these Nobel laureates of the world, it turns out they all fought wars.
                  1. marmalade 1 February 2020 16: 36 New
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                    that's it, or betrayed their people
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        2. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 17: 50 New
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          Quote: izaira
          Have you lived under the power of Dzhugashvili?

          Yes, I lived at that time, and when I died (for you Dzhugashvili) and for me Joseph Vissarionovich STALIN, I went to first grade. But I all at school cried !!! So remember the last time you cried !!!
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            1. opk
              opk 28 January 2020 19: 03 New
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              Quote: izaira
              The habit of kissing boots kicking them under the ass was developed by the Soviet from childhood.

              Listen to the descendant of emigrants, do you judge by yourself? and often do you get in the ass? one word "foreign"
            2. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 19: 07 New
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              Quote: izaira
              There were always enough patients on the head

              So I thought about you. Well, excuse me.
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                1. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 21: 09 New
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                  Quote: izaira
                  Have you thought? Do you know how?

                  Well, to myself, beloved, I will say yes. And about you, I don’t even know what to say. If you are from the USSR this is one thing, and if after the collapse, then another.
        3. nickname7 2 February 2020 12: 25 New
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          Have you lived under the power of Dzhugashvili?

          And then Dzhugashvili? If time was a crisis? You do not know, but the time from 17 to 45 years, these are difficult times.
          As the Chinese say - "God forbid you live in an era of change"
          Even the ancient Greeks described that during wars, earthquakes, epidemics, collegial management is impossible, but only concentration of power in one hands is capable of quickly resolving issues, overcoming crises and survival.
          In crises at all times, leaders of a similar type appear - crisis managers.
          By the way, Churchill also belongs to this type of people. By World War 2, he was an old, senior citizen, but he was called to lead.
    2. Petr1 28 January 2020 15: 43 New
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      What is the perfect era now?
      1. Vend 28 January 2020 15: 54 New
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        Quote: Petr1
        What is the perfect era now?

        No, but the critics did not decrease, I would even say there are more, and some also get paid for criticism.
        1. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 16: 15 New
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          Quote: Wend
          No, but the critics did not decrease, I would even say there are more, and some also get paid for criticism.

          Until 1953 they planted such people, under Khrushchev they opened their mouths, under Brezhnev they fell silent, and now they are already paying dollars.
          1. Arlen 1 February 2020 13: 08 New
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            Quote: tihonmarine
            when Brezhnev fell silent

            They wouldn’t be quiet yet. In his time, they were immediately identified in psychiatry. laughing
        2. Petr1 28 January 2020 16: 46 New
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          No, but the critics did not decrease, I would even say there are more, and some also get paid for criticism. [/ Quote]
          But this is not surprising. I don’t have to pay money for criticizing the authorities, and indeed as any sane person.
          Here, open the news and read what a wonderful era is now https://news.ru/society/zhitelyu-urala-predlozhili-provesti-gaz-v-dom-za-17-mln-rublej/
          or here https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2020/01/27/821563-edinaya-lishit
          And this is now considered almost the norm, the fish rots from the head of people now, what are the principles and ideals? In Soviet times, there were different concepts,
          I haven’t been able to live in the era of Stalin, but now I can definitely judge the first persons of the state by their affairs. And I can tell you with one hundred percent accuracy that Stalin wisely led the union, did not steal and did not let others profit from his people. He was not afraid to take responsibility and kept his words. Such leaders in Russian history can be counted on the fingers.
          1. Vend 28 January 2020 16: 53 New
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            Quote: Petr1

            Stalin wisely led the union, did not steal and did not allow others to profit from his people. He was not afraid to take responsibility, and kept his words. Such leaders in Russian history can be counted on the fingers.

            He didn’t steal, but on the legacy laid down by Stalin, the authorities still stand, this is full state security. Do not steal, say, you are poorly informed, inquire about the scope of theft under Stalin. One thing that they did to the "Stalin line" is worth it.
            1. solzh 28 January 2020 17: 31 New
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              Quote: Wend
              Do not steal, say, you are poorly informed, inquire about the scope of theft under Stalin.

              Anatoly, in my opinion we always had those who stole. That under the monarchy, that under the Soviet regime, that in modern times. The scope of theft is another matter! We can argue hoarsely when there was more theft, but no one will argue with anyone. For example, I believe that when ebn was the most theft in the history of our state.
              1. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 21: 13 New
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                Quote: solzh
                The scope of theft is another matter!

                The more you steal, the more they pay. (only who pays).
              2. region58 29 January 2020 02: 49 New
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                Quote: solzh
                when ebn was the most theft

                Something I remembered ...
              3. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 18 New
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                Quote: solzh
                when ebn was the most theft in the history of our state.

                Of course, under Yeltsin, theft was the most in our history.
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            2. nickname7 2 February 2020 12: 37 New
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              the scope of theft under Stalin

              Such is the property of human nature, theft cannot be defeated, it can only be minimized. The manifestation of negative human nature by individual citizens does not detract from the merits of Stalin as a talented manager.
          2. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 19: 09 New
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            Quote: Petr1
            No, but the critics did not decrease, I would even say there were more

            And for this the Gulag was created.
            1. Arlen 1 February 2020 13: 13 New
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              Quote: tihonmarine
              And for this the Gulag was created.

              And the main thing here is that they were able to re-educate them through labor. What great construction sites were there! One White Sea-Baltic Canal built by the Gulag prisoners is worth a lot!
            2. efendia 2 February 2020 09: 49 New
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              After the introduction of the New Deal of Roosevelt in 1934, those unemployed who were not able to be employed by millions were massively driven into labor camps by barbed wire. Unlike Gulag prisoners convicted by the courts for crimes committed, prisoners in the US labor camps did not commit any crimes.

              They did not receive any salary, unlike the prisoners of the Gulag in the USSR, by the way, who received a salary at the rates established for industry.

              Millions of Americans passed through these gulags; millions from there did not believe
          3. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 21: 11 New
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            Quote: Petr1
            No, but the critics did not decrease, I would even say there are more of them, and some also get paid for criticism

            That's why they live, no one pays dollars for nothing.
      2. nickname7 2 February 2020 12: 33 New
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        is the era perfect?

        Open the refrigerator, when it is empty, and you have nowhere to pull the belt on a thin body, then it will be bad.
    3. cloud catcher 28 January 2020 15: 58 New
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      The Second World War, which ended in 1945, claimed the lives of more than 55 million people, the loss of the world economy amounted to more than $ 4 trillion. Over 10 cities, villages, and villages were destroyed.
      Undoubtedly this is an extraordinary statesman, military and party leader who has preserved statehood and the very existence of our Fatherland.
      Out of unwillingness to accept criticism of his course by major Russian political figures, Stalin in the 1930s. pursues a policy of repression against the old revolutionaries. In the period from 1928-1940. under the leadership of I.V. Stalin implemented almost three five-year economic development plans for the country. After the Patriotic War, they headed for an accelerated recovery of the economy destroyed by the war. In 1946, the salary of workers and engineers increased by 20%. After the abolition of the card system, an abundance of products was found in ordinary grocery stores at affordable prices. March 1, 1949 - 1951 there are further price reductions, an average of 20% per year.

      The only question is what was the price of all stages of development and the rise of industry, as well as the alternating social life of ordinary and high-ranking citizens in war and peace.
      1. solzh 28 January 2020 16: 27 New
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        Quote: Cloud Catcher
        Out of unwillingness to accept criticism of his course by major Russian political figures, Stalin in the 1930s. pursues a policy of repression against old revolutionaries

        What does "old revolutionaries" mean? Who do you relate to them? Renegades of Kamenev, Zinoviev, Rykov, Bukharin? Are these revolutionaries?
        Quote: Cloud Catcher
        The only question is what was the price of all stages of development and the rise of industry, as well as the alternating social life of ordinary and high-ranking citizens in war and peace.

        Please specify what you wanted to say in your last paragraph in the comment. hi
        1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 16: 47 New
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          solzh (Sergey)
          Please specify what you wanted to say in your last paragraph in the comment.
          Sergey, in my opinion, is becoming clearer and clearer, a man from the cohort of those who seem to recognize Stalin's merits, but WHAT IS THE PRICE? This is one of the varieties of our liberals who love to cry about the price. And it doesn’t matter what price is Stalinist, Peter's or Ivan the Terrible. The main thing is to cry about the price of becoming Russia as a great power. For some reason, none of them cries about the price of the Gorbachev-Yeltsin "reforms", a paradox ...
          1. solzh 28 January 2020 17: 03 New
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            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            paradox...

            This, I think, is not a paradox. This is a regularity. Then I saw an interview with the leader of the Bakhyt-Kompot group, Vadim Stepantsov, he said something like this, I don’t remember, therefore I bring from memory: "The aristocrat speaks the language of the people, and the intellectual has come out of the people and looks down on the people." Not sure about the reliability, but the meaning is just that. You can agree with him, or you can disagree, but our liberals like to classify themselves as "intellectuals", have left the people and look at the people as "b.s.d.o." and they call it nothing more than "b.s. Shame on the liberals.
            1. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 21: 15 New
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              Quote: solzh
              "The aristocrat speaks the language of the people, and the intellectual came out of the people

              The aristocrat and intellectual certainly did not come out of the people.
            2. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 22 New
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              Quote: solzh
              Here I saw an interview with the leader of the Bakhyt-Kompot group, Vadim Stepantsov, he said something like this, I don’t remember, therefore I bring from memory: "The aristocrat speaks the language of the people, and the intellectual has come out of the people and looks down on the people"

              The meaning is correct, but there Stepantsov spoke about the mat.
          2. cloud catcher 28 January 2020 17: 14 New
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            About Gorbachev-Yeltsin reforms, especially Yeltsin’s, I’m not “crying” because the topic is different.
            I think even now there are a lot of people (I know) who talk about society and politics, like this: "And what about this, specifically?" and you can also understand them, your own shirt ... But at that time, the question was not about well-being, but often about life. Many believed in the idea of ​​communism in those years, and were ready for self-sacrifice. But was it appreciated properly?
            Stalin: "The withering away of the state will come not through the weakening of state power, but through its maximum strengthening."
            1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 17: 17 New
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              cloud catcher (BB)
              Stalin: "The withering away of the state will come not through the weakening of state power, but through its maximum strengthening."
              And this is exactly Stalin said, are you sure? Or so, from the Internet flew in?
              Stalin was a strong statesman and, like no one else, understood the importance of strong power for Russia. Another thing is that he may have written about the distant future, here I still believe it and then with a stretch.
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                  opk 28 January 2020 19: 05 New
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                  Quote: izaira
                  He was not a statesman of Jugashville. It was a landowner-serf. Only his estate was large. And every creature in it was a pair.

                  are you jealous? after the revolution of 1917, we took a lot of zemstvos from your family?
                  1. izaira 28 January 2020 19: 07 New
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                    Quote: opk
                    after the revolution of 1917, we took a lot of zemstvos from your family?

                    All (and all) will have to give. And soon enough.
                    This is called restitution.
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                      opk 28 January 2020 19: 33 New
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                      Quote: izaira
                      All (and all)

                      I am pleased to!
                      still well done were our ancestors!
                      Quote: izaira
                      This is called restitution.

                      this is called in Russian: "dreaming is not harmful." Dream on and offspring of immigrants.
              2. solzh 28 January 2020 21: 45 New
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                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                And this is exactly Stalin said

                Exactly, but not exactly wink
                Here's what it actually looks like:
                (On Industrialization and the Bread Problem, Vol. 11, p. 171.)

                Some comrades understood the thesis of the abolition of classes, the creation of a classless society and the withering away of the state, as an excuse for laziness and complacency, an excuse for the counter-revolutionary theory of the extinction of the class struggle and the weakening of state power.

                Needless to say, such people cannot have anything to do with our party. These are degenerates, or double-deceivers, who must be driven out of the party. The destruction of classes is achieved not by extinguishing the class struggle, but by strengthening it. The withering away of the state will come not through weakening state power, but through its maximum strengthening necessary to finish off the remnants of the dying classes and organize a defense against the capitalist encirclement, which is far from being destroyed and will not be destroyed soon..

                Some people like to pull out quotes from the text, so that meaning would be lost.
                1. Maki Avellevich 1 February 2020 12: 04 New
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                  Quote: solzh
                  The withering away of the state will come not through the weakening of state power, but through its maximum strengthening,

                  the theory is beautiful but
                  how this happens in practice is not clear.
                  when was it that the powers that be were self-removed?
                  it doesn’t happen that way.
            2. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 21: 16 New
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              Quote: Cloud Catcher
              "And what about this, specifically?" and you can also understand them, your shirt ..

              This is how empires collapse.
        2. cloud catcher 28 January 2020 20: 24 New
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          During the reign of Stalin, more than 0,3% of the population was imprisoned and sentenced to death. At least 5 million people were sentenced to imprisonment (information varies from one source to another).
          In 1932, Stalin adopted the law "on three spikelets." Under this law, a starving peasant who stole wheat ears from the state was immediately subject to capital punishment - execution.
          (-) The almost complete destruction of the highest army ranks, intelligentsia and scientists; repression of prosperous peasants; collectivization; bureaucratization of the Soviet state.

          The USSR won the Second World War and became a member of the UN Security Council.
          (+) Industrial development of the Soviet state; a large number of constructed socially significant objects; price reduction; salary growth; the creation of nuclear weapons (deterrence); reduction in the number of illiterates; an increase in the country's gold reserves, the creation of CMEA.

          Of course, I am proud of the victory and the technological and industrial upsurge of the country and its transformation into a superpower in such a difficult time. But to live at that time, I would not want to. Not because we had to work hard or didn’t have the benefits that surround us today, but because of ... fear that a black “funnel” might come for you.
          1. solzh 28 January 2020 20: 34 New
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            Quote: Cloud Catcher
            During the reign of Stalin, more than 0,3% of the population was imprisoned and sentenced to death. At least 5 million people were sentenced to imprisonment (information varies from one source to another).
            In 1932, Stalin adopted the law "on three spikelets." Under this law, a starving peasant who stole wheat ears from the state was immediately subject to capital punishment - execution.
            (-) The almost complete destruction of the highest army ranks, intelligentsia and scientists; repression of prosperous peasants; collectivization; bureaucratization of the Soviet state.

            Is this all from where?
            Do you even know what the law is seven or eight about and why it was adopted? Read at least about him on Wikipedia or something.
            The rest I do not even want to comment. So much has already been said about this, including on the site ...
            1. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 23 New
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              Quote: solzh
              Is this all from where?

              From the Internet, from sites of lovers of alternative and anti-Soviet
          2. Kettle 28 January 2020 23: 54 New
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            This is the number of those sentenced to capital punishment (VMN) by the judicial authorities in the USSR from the 20s to the early 50s. Includes both criminal and political cases, in total.
            The figure of almost 700 thousand people over 2 years and data on years are from the well-known "Information of 1 special department of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs on the number of people arrested and convicted in the period 1921-1953. 11.12.1953/XNUMX/XNUMX ".
            Three "humpbacks" on the graph: 1921 - the end of the Civil, 1930 - dispossession, 1942 - the most difficult full year of the war, "not a step back." In these years, 10-20 thousand people a year were shot.
            The rest of the time during this period, the number of people sentenced to VMN is approximately constant - 1-2-3 thousand people a year.
            1. isaira 29 January 2020 00: 20 New
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              Quote: Kettle
              Three "humpbacks" on the graph: 1921 - the end of the Civil, 1930 - dispossession, 1942 - the most difficult full year of the war, "not a step back." In these years, 10-20 thousand people a year were shot.
              The rest of the time during this period, the number of people sentenced to VMN is approximately constant - 1-2-3 thousand people a year.

              Dear, these are only those who went through the SENTENCES system. And how many were destroyed out of court? You at least read something on this subject.
              The same Russians in Crimea, carved under the leadership of Rosalia Zalkind-Samoilova (Zemlyachki) and Bela Kun. Then it was destroyed from 120 to 150 thousand. Russians remaining in the Crimea. They were destroyed without any sentences. And in the Certificate for 1921 there are only 9701 sentenced to VMN. For this crime, she became the first woman to be awarded the Soviet Order (Order of the Red Banner).
              1. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 24 New
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                And how many were destroyed out of court?

                Not at all
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          3. Lekz 2 February 2020 17: 59 New
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            But to live at that time, I would not want to .////

            Would the US want to live? And there, already year after year, up to 3,5 million prisoners. And they don’t sit, and most work for a T-shirt on plantations and quarries. It looks like the Gulag smokes on the sidelines.
      2. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 16: 57 New
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        cloud catcher (BB)
        World War II, which ended in 1945, claimed the lives of more than 55 million people,
        Somehow the numbers do not fit. Only the loss of the USSR 27 million people. and the loss of China 15 ~ 22 million people. give almost 50 million in total, and the rest? According to various estimates, the total loss of only civilians is 45 ~ 50 million. So the total losses of all countries in WWII are closer to 70 ~ 75 million people.
        1. Petr1 28 January 2020 17: 07 New
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          he's a bot who got paid
        2. izaira 28 January 2020 17: 29 New
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          Quote: Alexander Suvorov
          Only the loss of the USSR 27 million people.

          42 million people.
          1. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 24 New
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            42 million people.

            Lies and lies
            1. tagil 3 February 2020 11: 58 New
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              The price of the victory of the USSR over fascist Germany and its satellites:
              World War II claimed about 27 million lives of citizens of the USSR.
              Among the victims of the war:
              11 troops
              13 are the civilian population of the country.
              From the civilian population:
              intentionally exterminated by the occupiers - 7,4 million
              died at work in Germany - 2,2 million
              died out from starvation in the occupation - 4,1 million
              About a million people cannot be fully assigned to any category of victims of the USSR in the war (for example, deserters, traitors and volunteers, former Soviet citizens who fought on the side of Germany).
              Of the total number of the annihilated population, about 30-35% of women, including 10-15% of "reproductive age." As a result of this, indirect losses on this indicator of two maternal generations can be estimated at no less than 15–20 million.
              Thus, the losses from the war of 1941-1945. in general, they can be estimated at least 40-45 million people ...
              General (irretrievable and sanitary) losses of the Red Army and Navy for the entire war with Germany 1941-1945. make up:
              29 592 749 people.
              Including:
              5 people were killed and died during the evacuation stage,
              died from wounds in hospitals - 1 people.
              Non-combat irretrievable losses amounted to 540 580 people.
              Missing, captured and unaccounted for losses - 4 people.
              Total irretrievable losses of the army (killed, missing, captured and died from wounds in hospitals) amounted to -11 people.
              Sanitary losses amounted to - 18 319 723 recorded wounds. Military doctors put into operation more than 10 million people, of whom not less than a third with repeated injuries. The total number of wounded, shell-shocked, and burned soldiers and officers over the four years of the war amounted to 15 million ...
              More than 2 600 000 people became completely disabled.
              The average monthly losses of troops and fleets amounted to about 10,5% of the size of the army (more than 20,5 thousand people a day, including more than 8 thousand killed) ...

              Here everything is up to the person. To some extent you are right, it all depends on how you count.
      3. Petr1 28 January 2020 17: 05 New
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        my opinion, the transition from a socialist management system to a democratic one is nothing but a betrayal of our forefather who lay bones for their homeland.
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          transition from a socialist management system to a democratic

          Probably right to say to the capitalist management system. Just the concept of democracy, it is somewhat blurry.
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            I agree with you, but at the top they call our political system democracy.
      4. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 19: 15 New
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        The Second World War, which ended in 1945, claimed the lives of more than 55 million people, the loss of the world economy amounted to more than $ 4 trillion. Over 10 cities, villages, and villages were destroyed.

        Sorry, but we don’t, and everyone knows that, how much, etc. Well, why are you dripping on your brain ??????
    4. Svarog 28 January 2020 16: 08 New
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      And branding is always easier, and that is characteristic, of any era, even modern.

      Just if you compare what was done under Stalin and what was done during the same period under Putin .. then naturally, I want to stigmatize ..
      1. Vend 28 January 2020 16: 23 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: Wend
        And branding is always easier, and that is characteristic, of any era, even modern.

        Just if you compare what was done under Stalin and what was done during the same period under Putin .. then naturally, I want to stigmatize ..

        And you compare. Only honestly. And branding revel. For example, the patient - pensions. Now they are small, but they are paid, indexed. Under Stalin, pensions were less than student scholarships, they were also paid.
        1. solzh 28 January 2020 16: 29 New
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          Quote: Wend
          And you compare. Only honestly. And branding revel.

          And if you compare the construction and development of industry, science, art and everything else that developed under Joseph Vissarionovich, then you immediately want to criticize modernity.
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            Quote: solzh
            Quote: Wend
            And you compare. Only honestly. And branding revel.

            And if you compare the construction and development of industry, science, art and everything else that developed under Joseph Vissarionovich, then you immediately want to criticize modernity.

            Compare, the desire to criticize will disappear. Art: under Joseph Vissarionovich, many films were made, but they were all one way you’ll get involved, develop about a happy socialist present. But there were worthy pictures, one “Battle of the Ice” is worth it .. Today films are shot about how bad things are in Russia, but decent pictures, for example, “Legend No. 17, are also coming out.
            1. solzh 28 January 2020 16: 55 New
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              Quote: Wend
              Compare, the desire to criticize will disappear.

              So I compare. And immediately there is a desire to criticize modernity.
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            immediately there is a desire to criticize modernity.

            for what
        2. Svarog 28 January 2020 16: 35 New
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          Quote: Wend
          And you compare. Only honestly. And branding revel.

          So I honestly compare ..
          Take that period and this .. Let's start from the entrance .. Civil war, Revolution, World War II the country is on the verge of complete collapse, the country is agricultural, 14% of educated citizens .. (that was) What happened .. A great empire, with a powerful economy, industry , science just rushed forward .. educated 100% of the citizens, an incredible increase in demography .. and this is all under the conditions of sanction and the bloodiest war in the history of mankind ..
          Now today ..
          Or maybe you’ll tell about the successes of today’s days .. I hardly see them. A commodity economy, with little or no industry, no science, at least no scientific discoveries and achievements, education, like medicine, is degrading, the second year mortality exceeds birth rates .. well, about pensions, taxes, I don’t think it’s worth remembering, like the gulf between the rich and poor ..
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            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: Wend
            And you compare. Only honestly. And branding revel.

            So I honestly compare ..
            Take that period and this .. Let's start from the entrance .. Civil war, Revolution, World War II the country is on the verge of complete collapse, the country is agricultural, 14% of educated citizens .. (that was) What happened .. A great empire, with a powerful economy, industry , science just rushed forward .. educated 100% of the citizens, an incredible increase in demography .. and this is all under the conditions of sanction and the bloodiest war in the history of mankind ..
            Now today ..
            Or maybe you’ll tell about the successes of today’s days .. I hardly see them. A commodity economy, with little or no industry, no science, at least no scientific discoveries and achievements, education, like medicine, is degrading, the second year mortality exceeds birth rates .. well, about pensions, taxes, I don’t think it’s worth remembering, like the gulf between the rich and poor ..

            Entrance of modern Russia: Civil war, devastation, collapse of the state, rampant crime, wild lawlessness of the 90s and so on. Not much easier than the time when the USSR rose. Did you see the difference with today?
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          Quote: Wend
          Under Stalin, pensions were less than student scholarships, they were also paid.

          Yes! But compare the prices of the same products with the current ones. And the REDUCED PRICE was for every holiday. Let a little, but it was! When in modern Russia reduced food prices? And even that small pension is modest, but it was possible to live.
        4. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 19: 18 New
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          Quote: Wend
          And you compare. Only honestly. And branding revel. For example, the patient - pensions.

          Human ! The question is different, but you about your pension. You have nothing more to think about !!!!
      2. Andrey VOV 28 January 2020 17: 09 New
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        And why do you compare the epoch of Stalin only with Putin? And why not with Lenin, not with Khrushchev, not with Brezhnev, not with the same Fidel ??
        1. solzh 28 January 2020 17: 52 New
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          Quote: Andrey VOV
          And why do you compare the epoch of Stalin only with Putin? And why not with Lenin, not with Khrushchev, not with Brezhnev, not with the same Fidel ??

          Not only do we compare with Khrushchev, with Brezhnev, but what was there to compare, in his era there were a lot of good things. And Fidel Castro, excuse me, is not ours, let the Cubans compare his era.
      3. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 18: 53 New
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        At what cost was this done? And at whose expense? I'm not talking about repression, there the numbers are very distorted. And do you agree to take part in such a leap, as the citizens of the USSR did in the 30s and 50s or China, beginning in the early 80s? Industrialization was based on the merciless exploitation of human resources. Nowadays it’s good to talk about it.
        1. AnderS 28 January 2020 19: 52 New
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          At what cost was this done? And at whose expense? I'm not talking about repression, there the numbers are very distorted. And do you agree to take part in such a leap, as the citizens of the USSR did in the 30s and 50s

          Come on, come on, tell us unreasonable about the price. Can you tell me what all this industrialization was for? Probably, comrade Stalin just had a bad dream, but from a bad mood he started it ... And collectivization? So this is Comrade Stalin got up on the wrong foot, so he drove the poor peasants into collective farms ...
          Finish the blizzard already, if you are told that in five years you will be burned alive in the barn, together with your family, if in these 10 years you can’t make a rifle for yourself, then the question of price will disappear by itself ... Just like you, who "they would have stood up for the price" and went to the policemen and punishers ... But why, it’s better to go to the Germans to serve, it’s a cultural nation, than to bend in the camp or in the woods to partisan ...
          1. Sergey49 29 January 2020 00: 06 New
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            Tambov Wolf is your friend.
        2. Maria Gorina 29 January 2020 19: 15 New
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          But like now there is no merciless exploitation? are you from the moon only there is no industrialization.
    5. 1959ain 28 January 2020 18: 44 New
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      The main thing is the passionarity of the people and the ruler, who will unite and direct it. For example, like little Mongolia, it was able to conquer all of Asia. The merit of Genghis Khan or WATER MOSCOW, a tiny state surrounded by enemies and swamps, without any resources, became 1/6 of the land. The merit of the family of Ivan Kalita.
  2. Vasya Solntsev 28 January 2020 15: 13 New
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    Living in the Soviet Union, I can’t say that I was a Stalinist, but after living in the post-Soviet space, I became one, moreover, VERY !!!
    1. tihonmarine 28 January 2020 15: 30 New
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      Quote: Vasya Solntsev
      Living in the Soviet Union, I can’t say that I was a Stalinist, but after living in the post-Soviet space, I became one, moreover, VERY !!!

      I accept objections!
    2. at84432384 28 January 2020 15: 51 New
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      No wonder. In the USSR, from Khrushchev to Chernenko about Stalin, it was impossible to find out anything, but starting with Gorbachev, only slop was poured. But sewn in a bag not to hide, the truth is always stronger.
    3. Hagakure 28 January 2020 16: 54 New
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      I once read on VO - the longer I live under the Democrats, the more I love Stalin. I subscribe.
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      1. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 18: 51 New
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        Take a trip to South Korea. Here in VO already wrote about life in the South Caucasus. After talking with the South Koreans, I want to feel sorry for them. Japan also has its own concentration camp. Do you agree to work and live like in South Korea or Japan?
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          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          After talking with the South Koreans, I want to feel sorry for them.

          You better take pity on yourself. And the inhabitants of the post-Soviet space.
          And South Koreans also need to be sorry. But very much later.
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Japan also has its own concentration camp.

          It is a pity that the Japanese, like the south. Koreans do not know about it.
          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Do you agree to work and live like in South Korea or Japan?

          I would be happy if the Russians lived at least as they did in South Korea. I don’t even dream about their living like in Japan.
          Japanese in terms of living 6 in the world.
          The Koreans of the 20s (still included in the golden billion).
          Russians 43rd.
          Damn, yes the Russians, like the Malaysians, live for happiness (35th place in the world, 218% of the average Russian).
          1. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 29 New
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            It is a pity that the Japanese, like the south. Koreans do not know about it.

            They know. They just don’t report to you
        2. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 28 New
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          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Take a trip to South Korea.

          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Japan also has its own concentration camp.

          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Do you agree to work and live like in South Korea or Japan?

          They have practically legalized this slavery. But for some reason everyone scolds the DPRK
      2. opk
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        Quote: izaira
        Soviet Union Soviet Union discord. He was of many kinds

        "foreign" I will tell you a secret, but the USSR was alone.
        Quote: izaira
        You would be sent for a year "for an internship" in the DPRK, in some labor camp

        So how, tell us "foreign", how you lived in a labor camp. probably it was bad, but you yourself are to blame for this sissy, you’re used to knocking nonsense on the keys, and there you need to work.
  3. Gardamir 28 January 2020 15: 20 New
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    I agree, it’s really a different time, other people.
    And really need to study.
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      1. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 18: 52 New
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        Is there evidence of bloodthirstiness?
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          he doesn’t have to, he has bitten him abroad, and so far he cannot come to his senses laughing
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        Quote: izaira
        And a ghoul, like Dzhugashvili or Ulyanov, he is always a ghoul.

        Of course you know better, you're bitten laughing
        1. AnderS 28 January 2020 20: 02 New
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          do not feed this troll, let it demonstrate the level of your education and intellect ... Looking at it, you look, somebody will not want to be on one side with it ...
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            Infuriates. I've been here for 2 years. All hesitated to start writing. I started to write here too. Really infuriates. Where do they come from. I understand - he is a troll. But I can not.
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              Quote: opk
              All hesitated to start writing. I started to write here too. Really infuriates.

              come on you. in my opinion there is more benefit from it than harm. who else is capable of demonstrating the defectiveness of anti-Stalinist propaganda so clearly? Svanidze is not here, but there is one. but judging by the large number of deleted messages, we will not hear him for a week or a month. request
      3. Gardamir 28 January 2020 19: 39 New
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        At all times, morality and human values ​​are one.
        Now tell me how modern capitalist kleptocrats value morality.
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  4. paul3390 28 January 2020 15: 22 New
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    It is necessary to study the era of Stalin and its great achievements, if only because it is the only possible basis for building our bright future .. For the present type of capitalism is the sure way to the death of the country and people ..
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    2. Maria Gorina 29 January 2020 19: 17 New
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      death of the entire planet and humanity
  5. knn54 28 January 2020 15: 22 New
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    I advise you to read the maximally documentary dilogy of A. Bushkov (far from a Stalinist) about Stalin: “The Red Monarch” and “The Ice Throne”.
    1. Van 16 28 January 2020 15: 37 New
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      In my humble opinion, he did quite objectively. I read with great interest.
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      Red Monarch "and" Ice Throne. "


      Very neutral names, I agree
    3. at84432384 28 January 2020 15: 56 New
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      Much has been written about Stalin by the historian Zhukov, absolutely not a "Stalinist", and only on archival documents. Good work and puts a lot from head to foot, exposes the lies of all stripes of Russophobia and liberals.
      1. PavelM 28 January 2020 18: 55 New
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        For reading about Stalin, the books of Yuri Mukhin were soundly written, and the Generalisimus V. Karpov is a very strong book!
    4. ANB
      ANB 28 January 2020 16: 33 New
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      No, Bushkov is still a Stalinist, although he does not admit it.
      . Living in the Soviet Union, I can’t say that I was a Stalinist, but after living in the post-Soviet space, I became one, moreover, VERY !!!

      This is about Bushkov.
      And about me :)
      Bushkov can still read a lot of interesting things.
      Only skip the alternative story, and at one time he was actively interested in it. Then corrected.
    5. Hagakure 28 January 2020 16: 56 New
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      I would recommend the book - "Soldiers of the Empire" F.I. Chuev.
    6. solzh 28 January 2020 17: 56 New
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      Quote: knn54
      I advise you to read the maximally documentary dilogy of A. Bushkov (far from a Stalinist) about Stalin: “The Red Monarch” and “The Ice Throne”.

      I would advise reading Stalin himself and, of course, Lenin. In his articles and studies, Stalin very often refers to Lenin.
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          because these
          Quote: izaira
          Hitler with Paul Then?

          your favorite writers
      2. Sanichsan 29 January 2020 16: 29 New
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        I would advise reading Stalin himself and, of course, Lenin.

        Khrushchev’s arrival is not taken into account in their writings. yes, I remember that Lenin argued that the struggle against capitalism does not end with the achievement of communism, but it does not work (I wrote a little sloppy, but how I can request ) Do contemporaries have any thoughts on how to avoid Khrushchev -> Gorbachev -> Yeltsin? otherwise communism will, like capitalism, exist from crisis to crisis.
        Quote: solzh
        In his articles and studies, Stalin very often refers to Lenin.

        moreover, Lenin’s pupil calls himself not otherwise and insists on such a formulation in every possible way.
        1. solzh 29 January 2020 16: 46 New
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          Do contemporaries have any thoughts on how to avoid Khrushchev -> Gorbachev -> Yeltsin?

          Alas, I have not met. I often visit communist sites, but basically everyone refers to Lenin, to Stalin. Unfortunately, there are no new, modern, theorists. In any case, I have not met. It's a shame, annoying, but somehow ...
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            Quote: solzh
            It's a shame, annoying, but somehow ...

            search boom. or maybe their thoughts on this topic will be formed. the idea must develop!
            1. solzh 29 January 2020 17: 39 New
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              Quote: SanichSan
              the idea must develop!

              Must! And not just a must, a must!
              Quote: SanichSan
              maybe their thoughts on this topic will be formed

              But I'm not a theorist, either ... My thoughts ... I'm just a simple person. Supporter of the communist movement, the Soviet development path. I’m not even a member of the party. If your thoughts are personal, well, I don’t even know ... You can certainly try your thoughts on the question "how to avoid Khrushchev -> Gorbachev -> Yeltsin?" ... But it takes time ...
              1. Sanichsan 29 January 2020 18: 02 New
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                we live in amazing time! supporters of the communist path of development are not members of the party, but oligarchs are supposed to be members of the party who seem to be enemies of this idea wassat
                Quote: solzh
                I'm just a simple person.

                Yes, the magi did not come to Vladimir Ilyich either wink we are not Trotsky so that authority is measured with Lenin and Stalin. it's about thinking with your own head! theorists and practitioners have already written about how and what to build, it remains to figure out how to preserve. maybe a good idea will come to your head, maybe to me, or maybe to someone else, the main thing is to think about this issue and discuss!
                If I come up with something interesting, I will share it with you on the pages of VO. I count on reciprocity.
                1. solzh 29 January 2020 18: 05 New
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                  Quote: SanichSan
                  If I come up with something interesting, I will share it with you on the pages of VO. I count on reciprocity.

                  hi
                  I just repeat: it takes time. You quickly understand ... hi
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          Quote: SanichSan
          Khrushchev’s arrival is not taken into account in their writings

          In theory, one cannot predict everything. If you look at the time when the theory was written, we will see that then there was no socialist state. I think the Paris Commune should not be taken into account.
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            In theory, one cannot predict everything.

            absolutely right! I write that it is time to think with my own head soldier
      3. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 30 New
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        Quote: solzh
        I would advise you to read Stalin himself and definitely Lenin

        They do not just have to read, they need to be understood!
    7. paul3390 28 January 2020 20: 14 New
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      We must not read fiction, but the writings of the founders themselves!
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        Quote: paul3390
        and the works of the founders themselves!

        and not just read, but also try to understand!
  6. don-1500 28 January 2020 15: 28 New
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    So let's see how many comments this article will gain. The request of society, so to speak ...
  7. maidan.izrailovich 28 January 2020 15: 36 New
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    We, as always, are all (most) smart in hindsight.
    Profukali country created by Stalin.
    Say in '91 something good about Stalin, I would have immediately poured a barrel of shit on you.
    And now we’ve realized ...
    It is not necessary to study, but socialism in the country must be restored.
    And then study, at least learn.
    1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 15: 45 New
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      What is meant by the term "socialism" If the Soviet model, God forbid, North Korea help you. If a welfare state is like Norway, Switzerland, Canada - then with great pleasure.
      1. paul3390 28 January 2020 15: 51 New
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        Western social models are just consequences of the existence of the USSR. Now there is no Union - and all social gains will necessarily be curtailed. Why should the bourgeois pay something when it is already possible not to pay without any risk? Hence the increase in the retirement age, the reduction of benefits, etc. Already to the next generation - and in the West there will certainly be the same wild capitalism ..
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          Western social models began to develop long before 1917. In the same Belgium or the Netherlands. The Soviet Union most likely served as an example of how NOT to do.
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            You never know who, when the main thing began to develop, they took modern forms precisely under the influence of social achievements of the USSR. There is no need to do anything - since everything was so bad, how did we manage to fill the face of a united Europe, be the first to fly into space and create one of two superpowers on the planet?
        2. efendia 28 January 2020 19: 55 New
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          And there they are already starting to cut. Although now China is starting to increase social programs. If there was no Union, the capitalists would not have the social network that they were forced to introduce.
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            Although now China is starting to increase social programs.

            China does not increase anything - it has been shaking not childishly for the third year already. Soon, the Chinese will again get used to living very modestly.
            Quote: efendia
            If there was no Union, the capitalists would not have the social network that they were forced to introduce.

            The West, on the other hand, wanted to spit while developing social programs, so it was in the USSR.
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            And there they are already starting to cut. Although now China is starting to increase social programs. If there was no Union, the capitalists would not have the social network that they were forced to introduce.

            Do you have examples about the increase in social programs in China?
        3. Per se. 29 January 2020 12: 45 New
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          Western social models are just consequences of the existence of the USSR.
          It is necessary to note one more important aspect - with the final approval of transnational monopolies the main trump card of capitalism is also lost - competition, which turns into a fiction. Without external competition with socialism, without real internal competition, capitalism turns into an absolute evil, with the cult of money and the imposed morality of consumers. It will be necessary to consume what will be beneficial to the monopolists, most likely, disposable goods and bodily products for the majority. What is total addiction and new electronic slavery, presumably, will also be the merit of capitalism. It is unlikely that all this will lead our civilization to a brighter future.
      2. Roman070280 28 January 2020 15: 53 New
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        If Norway is sanctioned, trade is banned, enemy destroyers are brought to their shores, threatening to take over the country, and forced to spend money on defense, block dollar accounts and so on, so on, so on ... in a couple of years they will request grain from the DPRK ..
        1. izaira 28 January 2020 20: 21 New
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          Quote: Roman070280
          and so on, so on, so on .. in a couple of years they will be requesting grain from the DPRK ..

          No need to write nonsense. Near the DPRK, China is its main roof. The DPRK wanted to sneeze on these sanctions. Therefore, the Americans took up China, which is now bursting at the seams.
          1. Roman070280 29 January 2020 09: 21 New
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            Do not write nonsense

            Do not write..
      3. solzh 28 January 2020 16: 35 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        If the Soviet model, then God forbid, North Korea to help you

        The DPRK is not a Soviet model, they have their own socialist model with the supremacy of Juche ideas.
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        If a welfare state is like Norway, Switzerland, Canada - then with great pleasure.

        Are you from the "Europeans"?
        1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 17: 00 New
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          No, I'm from the gentry. Russia has its own development path: we are not Europe and not Asia. But you can even learn and learn the best from your opponent.
          1. Andrey VOV 28 January 2020 17: 11 New
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            And what. In the Norway and Canada that you listed do not have social inequality? There are no closhars and homeless people and a huge mass of freeloaders? There are no billionaires in tams?
            1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 17: 23 New
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              And what, in the USSR there were no homeless people? Yes, any number. In big cities they were not to be seen - they were evicted for 101 kilometers. Social inequality is no worse than social equalization. If a person achieves wealth through his work (Gates, Zuckerberg, Brin, Galitsky) then they can only applaud.
              1. Andrey VOV 28 January 2020 17: 36 New
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                But I did not deny that there were no homeless people in the USSR, they were only called differently, well, at least in the area where I lived, egalitarianism, and here I agree, this is a dead end, and it cannot be a priori, the question is that difference , between conditionally rich and conditionally poor, without being tied to any country, it is shameful for our country to have such a gap and it has only widened since the days of I.V. Stalin. Now it has reached the largest and most shameful level
                1. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 19: 04 New
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                  Homeless, without a fixed place of residence, a scourge, a former intelligent person. It's all right?
                  1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 20: 40 New
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                    Homeless does not work fundamentally. And never will be - verified. The beach is a seasonal worker, a cobbler, possibly with problems, but a hard worker.
                    "I went to Vachu crying, I come back laughing"
              2. GenNick 28 January 2020 18: 08 New
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                There were scourges, there were no homeless people. Differences to explain?
                1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 18: 17 New
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                  There were both. Homeless people were sent to us in Novgorod, they tried to attract us to work, they did not want to work, they were sent to the zone for parasitism or for petty thefts. They came out and all over again.
                  Beach is a seasonal worker.
                2. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 20: 49 New
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                  Enlighten me.
              3. Maria Gorina 29 January 2020 19: 24 New
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                in the USSR there were no homeless people! Didn’t live then, don’t talk!
                1. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 33 New
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                  Quote: Maria Gorina
                  in the USSR there were no homeless people! Didn’t live then, don’t talk!

                  Where could they come from in the USSR!
          2. solzh 28 January 2020 17: 20 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            But you can even learn and learn the best from your opponent.

            If you are a sovereign, how can you adopt Scandinavia? I'm not talking about the enemy. I'm just trying to figure out how to adopt and implement this “social Scandinavian sodomy”?
            P.S. The minus is not mine.
            1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 17: 28 New
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              But I’m not saying that we should take everything from them. You need to take the best. You can copy their medicine, education, social security, taxation at last. Attitude to corruption, and indeed civil society itself, adjusted for our conditions. Tolerast and migration policy can also be left out of the brackets, as they do not correspond to our mentality.
              1. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 19: 08 New
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                I read the reviews moved to permanent residence in these prosperous countries. Nothing good. Arriving there as a tourist is good. And live !? There are enough problems there and negative reviews naturally.
                1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 20: 43 New
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                  Friends live, do not complain. If you go there for a freebie, then you definitely won’t like it. And if you are used to plowing, and not waiting for a saucer with a golden border, then you don’t need to go anywhere: in Russia you can live no worse. But I want to live better.
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                  Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                  Arriving there as a tourist is good

                  A tourist to go to look at the country and places of interest is probably great.
                  Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                  I read the reviews moved to permanent residence in these prosperous countries.

                  I think many people who left for permanent residence decided on the basis of Hollywood propaganda that it was good to live there. Having plunged into real life there and comparing with ours, they were disappointed in foreign countries.
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        2. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 19: 02 New
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          Well, the idea of ​​Juche is the idea of ​​self-reliance. Russia would also need to adopt this idea and abandon the idea of ​​integration with the West and the idea that the West will help us. The West has already helped us ruin the country, thank you. The idea of ​​Juche is an analogue of the slogan - nobody but us!
          1. solzh 28 January 2020 19: 38 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Well, the idea of ​​Juche is the idea of ​​self-reliance. Russia would also need to adopt this idea and abandon the idea of ​​integration with the West and the idea that the West will help us. The West has already helped us ruin the country, thank you. The idea of ​​Juche is an analogue of the slogan - nobody but us!

            I agree!
          2. izaira 28 January 2020 19: 57 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            Well, the idea of ​​Juche is the idea of ​​self-reliance. Russia would also need to adopt this idea

            Those. Do you urge Russians to eat bark from trees and be treated with plantain?
            Are you out of your mind?
            By the way, then you can’t get online either. There is no Internet in the DPRK.
            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            The West has already helped us ruin the country, thank you.

            Did the West launch the Bolsheviks into the country?
            1. Shchors 30 January 2020 00: 10 New
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              Quote: izaira
              No DPRK Internet

              They have their own network.
        3. izaira 28 January 2020 20: 22 New
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          Quote: solzh
          The DPRK is not a Soviet model, they have their own socialist model with the supremacy of Juche ideas.

          Absolutely Soviet-era Dzhugashvili. The USSR also had its own pseudo-religion (teaching) of Marxism-Leninism.
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            Quote: izaira
            pseudo-religion (teaching) Marxism-Leninism.

            This is not a religion. Marxism-Leninism has a scientific basis
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        opk 28 January 2020 19: 17 New
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        Quote: izaira
        Mind offended?

        why don’t you love yourself so much? Well, you don’t have any brains, so why write about it on the Internet?
    3. mark1 28 January 2020 18: 31 New
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      It is not necessary to study, but socialism in the country must be restored.

      But how can you restore it now? We need a “leading and guiding ..." and it has long been gone, one carbalet remains.
  8. Naz
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    The pseudo-historians who are different there are considering a person in today's time, but one must look through the eyes of the era in which he lived. Everything falls into place.
    1. Van 16 28 January 2020 15: 52 New
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      In the context of time. Absolutely right. And not only to pseudo-historians, but also to pseudo-politicians, like Madame from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who hinted very transparently that Stalin was two times worse than Hitler.
      1. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 19: 21 New
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        Yeah! Our Zakharova branded Stalin well! Everything seems to be in a modern stream. But Putin was reminded of the Molotov-Ribbetrop Pact. And probably for good reason. Apparently there was a hint of repentance, which logically followed from the entire desovetization of recent decades. And then it seems to Putin that it has reached where we can be led by a complete ooch of the past. I wonder what will happen next. If you continue to groan Stalin, then it falls under the West. If you recognize the merits of Stalin, then weighed a good slap in the face of the West. I think if on May 9 there will be a portrait of Stalin on Red Square, then an answer is given to the West. If there is no portrait of Stalin, then we will live according to the patterns of the West.
        1. Gardamir 28 January 2020 19: 49 New
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          here it seems to have dawned on Putin
          Unlikely. He will not go to bed if he does not throw a piece of dirt into the Soviet Union.
          Now Poland, and the whole West is repeating about the revision of history, and who first started? The President of Russia repented to the Poles, scolded the Molotov-Ribentop agreement, and the whole history of the Motherland is nothing for him ...
        2. Shchors 30 January 2020 00: 08 New
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          If there is no portrait of Stalin

          There will be no portrait of Stalin on May 9 for a long time. It's a pity
  9. Oleg Skvortsov 28 January 2020 15: 42 New
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    The secret to the success of Stalin and his policy is in the full support of the people. The Soviet people supported Stalin because Stalin expressed the interests of the people. I did not want the people of German occupation. And Stalin organized the country to an armed rebuff. The people supported Stalin and worked 12 hours a day in the rear. He went to the army. He fought on the fronts. He sacrificed lives. But he did not do this on the "order of Stalin." But because he wanted to live in the USSR.
    We can now criticize Stalin on various issues. But, it was the choice of the Soviet people.
    I repeat, without the support of the people, Stalin would not have succeeded. The NKVD, the Gulags, and other similar power structures would not be enough to keep ALL the people in "fetters."
    All the victories, achievements of Stalin are the victories of the Soviet people.
    Defeats, mistakes, Stalin also shares with the Soviet people.
    To criticize Stalin is to criticize our ancestors. Our grandfathers.
    1. Roman070280 28 January 2020 15: 54 New
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      The secret to the success of Stalin and his policy in the full support of the people

      But more importantly, the secret of supporting the people ..
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      1. Andrey VOV 28 January 2020 17: 13 New
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        Here it is - a liberoid sample with brainwashed by all kinds of suvorov-cutters and Svanidzi .... to break out of the general context and fit for you, the truth in the first instance .. will not pass dear, will not pass
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          1. Andrey VOV 28 January 2020 18: 02 New
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            You first learn the Russian language, and then try to teach the mind to the mind here, and even a university course of logic would not hurt you .... so dear liberoid bot, wherever you are, go out and not appear
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                opk 28 January 2020 19: 24 New
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                Quote: verp19
                Attacks on personality? You can immediately see the Soviet school.

                Nope, again you are "foreign" is not right, we learn from you, from "foreign"
          2. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 18: 14 New
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            The Soviet state collapsed due to the inability to provide its citizens with vital things. Figuratively speaking, he was hurt by the sausage, or rather, by its absence. That is the reason why citizens did not intercede for him, but on the contrary, unanimously supported Yeltsin. Economic miscalculations amid stupid dogmatism, fear of reform, clumsy planning.
            1. verp19 28 January 2020 18: 31 New
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              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              Economic miscalculations amid stupid dogmatism, fear of reform, clumsy planning.


              You need to look deeper, all the symptoms indicated by you, the disease is hidden deeper.
              The USSR collapsed not only because of subjective errors, but because of an erroneous theoretical foundation.
              1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 18: 33 New
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                Well, yes: oranges will not grow on the aspen.
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                Quote: verp19
                but because of an erroneous theoretical foundation.

                You yourself are wrong. Marx's theory is studied at all institutes of the world!
            2. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 19: 36 New
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              The Soviet state collapsed due to the inability to provide its citizens with vital things. Figuratively speaking, he was hurt by the sausage, or rather, by its absence.
              So normal logic! If the state today does not provide its people with goods, then are we on the verge of reform today? Today we don’t even provide ourselves with cars. All the foreign cars that western companies provide us with. There is no sausage, there are substitutes. Dairy products from palm trees. Shortage of money and life on loan. Russia today, compared with the USSR, a man of hunger We have nothing of our own! Even foreign companies! We do not even extract oil and gas for ourselves! How long is the new Russia measured out?
              1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 20: 12 New
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                There is sausage, such a good meat sausage. Only it costs not 300 rubles. And there are also dairy products, natural ones, such as cheese. Only he, too, is not worth 400. And there is no need to stand in line for him, and certainly not for coupons. What prevented the Union from saturating the country with imported equipment and clothing, if they themselves could not do it? Lived on the principle of "your shit does not smell"? We don’t know how to do it ourselves - we’ll buy from others - the whole world lives by this principle.
                Why did a Soviet citizen have to ride buckets with nuts, and even in line to buy this bucket. Is Russia a Holodran? Check out any store and compare. With shovel empty counters.
                1. Unknown 28 January 2020 20: 47 New
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                  it’s immediately obvious that you didn’t live in union. But tell me, how many people in western Europe in the 50s-80s rode their cars? and if you rode then buckets with nuts were still
                  1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 21: 04 New
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                    Why such extremes? When I transferred from my Shokha to a Volkswagen B4, a second-hand one, I realized that I didn’t really have a car before. And I bought this Volks in Germany not from a rich bourgeois, but from a simple German hard-working electrician.
                    1. Unknown 28 January 2020 21: 43 New
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                      so what year did he move, then? maybe in the late 80s? when I moved. so it was a different time. then at the union a marked cross has already been put. everything flows, everything changes, as we would have if the union had not collapsed, no one knows. but one thing I can say, there’s no such mess as now.
                  2. Unknown 28 January 2020 21: 27 New
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                    What is the difference from Cossack? and ride on them, Italy, and France, those who could afford to buy such a car, but not many could. and for your information in the USSR, the one who wanted to earn money was making money. We went north, went to sea to fish, to cut coal into mines. there were many working specialties where they paid well. and smoked sausage was eaten, and there were enough other products. for example, in 1981, when they were in practice, so the bread in the canteen on the sliced ​​plate stood on the tables, and free. That's it. and who in the north and in the sea plowed, then retired earlier. there are many categories who could retire in 50 years. and the collective farmers did not live in poverty, as they want to imagine here. In the 80s he came to the Bryansk region, in the summer, to the Giryatinsky district, so a cousin, in the Urals, met, there was such a motorcycle, so it cost more than a thousand rubles, then. and bro worked as a driver on a collective farm. and treated him not with sausage, but with lard, and veal. they had everything there. so don’t talk about the union, you didn’t live there and you didn’t work.
                    1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 21: 43 New
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                      Of course he did not live, since 1963 he has been in lethargy. I also worked in the North, on the An-2 as a pilot, there the supply was better, with local flavor. But in my hometown in Novgorodskaya, in shops with a kati ball: sausages weren’t that smoked - there wasn’t "dog joy". Do you want meat sausages, on a steam locomotive and 5 hours to Leningrad, and there "do not give more than 2 kg to your hands." Abundance, yeah. Collective farms worked in full growth, but where did everything go?
                      1. Unknown 28 January 2020 22: 14 New
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                        almost the same age, I am 1964, and why then the union to fail? All the same, in the USSR received a specialty. once flew on planes. received not bad, what was missing then? why vilify, then? is it better in the west? so in R.I. ordinary people lived worse than in Europe. Comrade STALIN correctly said .....: “... they are hitting the backward. ... We are 50-100 years behind advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us ”... and it was true. As far as the main thing was done, the elimination of illiteracy, and the rest somehow catch up, just would not interfere. but they interfered. one war, after another. from hot immediately to cold, and rushed. in general, a Russian person does not strive for wealth, but for prosperity, yes. we love a calm and measured lifestyle.
                      2. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 22: 47 New
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                        I do not say anything about the Stalin era, I did not live then and it was not for me to judge her. I didn’t take root abroad either, I lived in Argentina for three years ten years ago, so nostalgia for my native birch trees tortured (not a joke even once) It's just a shame, our people did not deserve such treatment. Not then, not now.
                      3. Unknown 29 January 2020 05: 47 New
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                        and what then did not like the appeal? taught, free of charge, also treated, medical sanatoriums, vouchers, the trade union paid for children, kindergartens, pioneer camps, what didn’t like? or didn’t like the Soviet power? and you don’t have to speak for all the people, you didn’t like it, that's all. then we lived at the same time, but we judge him differently. now say that in the Novgorod region. it was a pipe business, there was food, but how does the Bryansk Region differ? here in Bryansk. The oblast in the city of Giryatino-regional center had its own bakery, its own agricultural machinery, and even an alcohol factory, there were enough products in the shops of the district consumer cooperation, the same sausage, and dog's joy, and amateur, and even smoked, there were their own Bryansk varieties. there were eggs and milk, but they weren’t particularly taken, each had his own farm, where everything was his own, why buy. Further Zhukovsky district of the village. ovstug. collective farm millionaire, I will not even talk about their life. and so you can list for a long time, throughout the region. were the poor poor villages? were, then it depends on the leadership. but for bad work they were punished seriously.
            3. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 20: 48 New
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              Well, how does a good sausage fit into a living wage or minimum wage? Why are there not enough coupons for good sausage today? Today Russia is saturated with imported equipment and clothing. A dream come true! Foreign cars today are the same bucket with nuts. Just bought new and therefore it seems that good. And look at them after 200 thousand run? Everything created by man breaks down. And considering that the service life of products is deliberately limited today in the interests of business, talking about quality is ridiculous. And when buying a car today, you are standing in line for paying a loan, overpaying the cost of a car, and other goods too. The quantity of goods today has certainly grown. The store today already looks like a warehouse. But what's interesting. Even modern stores cannot provide the population with goods. The population has to turn to the Chinese brothers and wait for the desired product for weeks. Such a good queue from two weeks to two months!
            4. Maria Gorina 29 January 2020 19: 34 New
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              in fact, after the revolution of the USSR, no one recognized and traded: it was only for grain (whence the hunger of the 30s), then only for gold. In general, take an interest in the economy, history, - or else it’s somehow cheap ...- sausage scraps ..
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        Quote: verp19
        If you fail to prove that the Union was the pinnacle of all human civilization.

        listen to "foreign" maybe you will finally learn how to use google translator, otherwise it’s not clear you write ...
        1. Maria Gorina 29 January 2020 19: 37 New
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          So yes, was the pinnacle of human civilization! A thousand years ahead.
    3. solzh 28 January 2020 18: 01 New
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      will not pass

      Andrei hi
      Why are you answering him? He is a troll, do not "feed" him with your comments.
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          opk 28 January 2020 19: 27 New
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          Quote: verp19
          And he is essentially

          listen to the creature, Mayakovsky has a poem where there are such words:
          I would learn Russian
          just for
          what im
          Lenin was talking.
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            Quote: opk
            I would learn Russian
            just for
            what im
            Lenin was talking.

            This poem must be constantly read to those Russian-speaking people who worship the West.
  10. opk
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    Quote: verp19
    And how did the people support it?

    you do not understand this "foreign"
    Quote: verp19
    In the 41st year he had no desire. 3,5 million prisoners to the end of the 41st - and you too measure the Wishlist of the people.

    did you drop your head down by chance in childhood? not? where did you come up with this?
    Quote: verp19
    Tanks and aircraft are many times more than in the rest of the world.

    because of your "foreign" governments
    Quote: verp19
    June 26, 1940 Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces "On the transition to an eight-hour working day, a seven-day working week and the prohibition of unauthorized withdrawal of workers and employees from enterprises and institutions."

    we remember. we all remember. and we will all remember when the time comes
  11. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 19: 27 New
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    In the 41st year he had no desire. 3,5 million prisoners to the end of the 41st - and you too measure the Wishlist of the people.
    And until the 41st year, all of Europe fell under Hitler. Did she (Europe) also suffer from Stalin's policies? Remember the shot talented Soviet generals and marshals as the reasons for the retreat at the beginning of the war. And then tell me why all of Europe surrendered. There, too, Stalin shot all the talented generals and marshals?
    1. Shchors 30 January 2020 00: 01 New
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      There, too, Stalin shot all the talented generals and marshals?

      All their generals lived in the past. And only we lived in the future. This is also why our ancestors won. Because they fought for the future
  • Private89 28 January 2020 15: 44 New
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    The dictatorship of the proletariat does not sound very much that Marx, this cleverest man could not have come up with something more concise, is there the power of the people or the power of the workers? He could, deliberately did not, because he called a spade a spade. Whose dictatorship is this? The proletariat is simply a class of wage workers. And who is more than the owners of production or those who work for them? And if there is a dictatorship of the majority, there is a dictatorship of the minority. It turns out that the dictatorship of the super-rich minority is being replaced by the dictatorship of the working majority. The dictatorship of the proletariat is introduced for the transition from capitalism to socialism, why? And you look into the bright faces of our oligarchs, these will voluntarily give everything that they “earned” into public property.
    1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 15: 57 New
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      And without a dictatorship in any way? Dictatorship is one of the worst forms of government, as is the monarchy.
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        Churchill called democracy the worst. By the way, the UK is still a monarchy.
        And yes, there was no way without a dictatorship.
        From February to November 1917 already tried. It turned out badly.
    2. verp19 28 January 2020 16: 52 New
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      And if there is a dictatorship of the majority, there is a dictatorship of the minority. It turns out that the dictatorship of the super-rich minority is being replaced by the dictatorship of the working majority.


      Do you want to say that any worker in the USSR was the boss? It was the labor people who were the “dictator”?
      A super-rich minority with a prosperous population or a slightly rich party nomenclature (but with all the amenities) with a population that has a "Soviet standard" of life? Interesting!
      1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 17: 04 New
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        The owner, in the late USSR, was a professional “long tongue worker” from the Central Committee of the CPSU. In the Soviets sat extras.
      2. opk
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        Do you want to say that any worker in the USSR was the boss?

        yeah. understood correctly.
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        It was the labor people who were the “dictator”?

        listen to the "foreign descendant of emigrants" finally learn Russian.
      3. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 19: 38 New
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        Do you have anything to say for modern life? Who dictates the standard of living today?
        1. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 58 New
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          Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
          Who dictates the standard of living today?

          oligarchs and the new bourgeois
      4. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 59 New
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        It was the labor people who were the “dictator”?

        In the USSR there was a dictatorship of the proletariat.
  • Titus 28 January 2020 15: 46 New
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    But what is the use of studying .... there are facts and figures of the birth rate of construction and so on in the era of temporary detention facilities, but there are no good things for any liberals and other dodgers. Everyone sees what he wants to see. I myself saw in the USSR a photo of Stalin in cars under the windshield .... you need to object to the tradition at least before the May holidays, otherwise St. George ribbons are tied up anywhere .. ps I read from someone else in the comments that the IVS still wanted to cancel the electricity charge. ... really this?
    1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 16: 23 New
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      There is such an opinion, moreover, documented that Stalin, at the end of his reign, decided to remove the Communist Party from governing the country - transfer power to the Soviets (as it should be in a SOVIET state), leaving it with only ideological functions. And relinquish the powers of the Secretary General, while remaining the Chairman of the Supreme Council. For which he was killed by party functionaries. And one of the main merits of Stalin is the destruction of the faithful Leninist henchmen - the enemies of the people, as he rightly called them. With them, both the country's industrialization and Victory would be a big question. I did not have time comrade Stalin - we would live in a completely different country.
      1. solzh 28 January 2020 16: 43 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        There is such an opinion, moreover, documented that Stalin, at the end of his reign, decided to remove the Communist Party from governing the country - to transfer power to the Soviets (as it should be in a SOVIET state)

        Mona's link to "documentary evidence"
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        resign as Secretary General

        Yes, he wanted to resign, because sorry age.
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        And one of the main merits of Stalin - the destruction of the faithful Leninist henchmen

        Stalin was a real Leninist and a Bolshevik! And he did not touch a single Bolshevik. All the rest came to the Bolshevik party only in 1917.
        1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 16: 55 New
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          Will Molotov’s conversations with Felix Chuev suit you? And Stalin was not Leninist, Lenin himself was sharply against Stalin's stay at the helm.
          And where did Stalin go about the old Bolsheviks? What about Lenin's postulates, in particular about party democracy, with which the IVS appealed very freely, for which Khrushchev, who was following the Leninist path, was bonded at the 20th congress?
          1. solzh 28 January 2020 17: 11 New
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            And where did Stalin go about the old Bolsheviks?

            What old Bolsheviks? Once again, I repeat my comment two years ago.
            In the Stalin era, the old Bolsheviks called those who joined the party before 1905. The same Molotov did not consider himself an old Bolshevik, although he joined the party in 1906.
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            And Stalin was not a Leninist

            Stalin was precisely Leninist, regardless of whether you like it or not.
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            What about Lenin's postulates, in particular about party democracy, with which the IVS appealed very freely, for which Khrushchev, who was following the Leninist path, was bonded at the 20th congress?

            Khrushchev at that time said a lot of things about Stalin. He had to take revenge on Stalin, let the dead, because dead surrenders do not give, but revenge for the fact that Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin treated him like a jester. At the same time, to raise oneself beloved in the eyes of the world communist movement, but the khrushch lost.
            1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 17: 31 New
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              Khrushchev restored Leninist norms. If restored, then someone destroyed them? But Khrushchev really restored them, almost in full, which became a prerequisite for the collapse of the State.
              1. solzh 28 January 2020 17: 35 New
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                Khrushchev restored Leninist norms

                Stop. Let's clarify a little here. What are the Lenin norms?
                1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 18: 04 New
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                  Well, at least party democracy? How often did Stalin convene the Central Committee Plenum? How were Politburo meetings held regularly? The rule of Stalin, as the head of the CPSU (b), was almost the only one. (at that time quite the right move)
                  1. izaira 28 January 2020 18: 31 New
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                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    How often did Stalin convene the Central Committee Plenum? How were Politburo meetings held regularly?

                    At the beginning of his possession of the USSR, spent. But then, where he strengthened his power, he ceased.
                    So Khrushchev, at first spent. And then, if he stayed in power, he would have ceased.
                  2. solzh 28 January 2020 18: 44 New
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                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    How often did Stalin convene the Central Committee Plenum?

                    Under Lenin, the plenum met twice, in 1919 and the second in 1922, when they elected the Secretary General of the Central Committee of Stalin.
                    Under Stalin, the plenum of the Central Committee met twice as well, in early 1937 and the second time in 1952, when the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee and the Bureau of the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee were formed.
                    What is the discrepancy with Lenin?
                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    How were Politburo meetings held regularly?

                    The meetings of the Politburo were held constantly even under Stalin. Stalin’s signature alone wasn’t enough when resolving issues, and Stalin did not make decisions alone, but collectively.
                    So I did not understand what Leninist standards that Stalin violated are you talking about
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                      The meetings of the Politburo were held constantly even under Stalin.

                      It was impossible to work without a permanent meeting of the Politburo
              2. izaira 28 January 2020 18: 29 New
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                And Khrushchev really restored them, almost in full,

                Do not fantasize.
                Khrushchev was a failed Dzhugashvilya, and not Ulyanov at all. Although, he had a lot from Ulyanov.
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                But Khrushchev really restored them, almost in full, which became a prerequisite for the collapse of the State.

                A prerequisite for the collapse of the USSR was the displacement of Khrushchev and the replacement of the sole owner of the USSR with a collective, Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee.
                The landowner estate (and the USSR since the time of "socialism" was a typical landowner estate, only large), deprived of a single owner, quickly enough became completely unviable. And she died.
            2. Octopus 28 January 2020 22: 08 New
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              Quote: solzh
              What old Bolsheviks? Once again, I repeat my comment two years ago.
              In the Stalin era, the old Bolsheviks called those who joined the party before 1905. The same Molotov did not consider himself an old Bolshevik, although he joined the party in 1906.

              )))
              Rykov, member of the Central Committee of the 3rd Congress? Kamenev?
              1. solzh 28 January 2020 22: 36 New
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                Not okay. Rykov came to the RSDLP through, if I am not mistaken, democratism, hit the "right deviation", and with Kamenev this is what parsley is, an eternal quarrel with Vladimir Ilyich, incl. on matters of revolution, Kamenev was an opponent of the uprising, after the death of Lenin he went into opposition with the CPSU (B.), in 1927 he was expelled from the Society of Old Bolsheviks and from the party. Both are typical renegades. So, somehow ...
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                  What is it! Oh, and the Leninist Central Committee of 1905 you are not the Bolsheviks?
                  came through, if I am not mistaken, democracy was hit by the “right deviation”, and with Kamenev this is what parsley is happening,

                  Yeah. There’s a lot to shoot for.

                  Postyshev? V.N.Yakovleva?
                  1. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 56 New
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                    Already the Leninist Central Committee of 1905, are you not Bolsheviks?

                    This was not the Lenin Central Committee, but the party, the Central Committee of the RSDLP.
            3. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 58 New
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              At the same time and raise yourself beloved in the eyes of the world communist movement

              Only no one took him seriously.
        2. PavelM 28 January 2020 19: 11 New
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          Mona's link to "documentary evidence"

          Take the trouble to read the draft text of the 1936 Constitution.
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            Take the trouble to read the draft text of the 1936 Constitution

            I worked hard, once again I read the Constitution of the USSR of 1936, the more I have it on the phone. AND? What should I see there? What is the departure of Stalin from Leninist principles?
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            Take the trouble to read the draft text of the 1936 Constitution.

            did you yourself read the 1936 constitution?
    2. verp19 28 January 2020 16: 46 New
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      fertility figures

      A mortality rate?

      Quote: Titus
      construction


      What kind of construction? Residential?

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    1. Andrey VOV 28 January 2020 17: 15 New
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      You yourself burn in hell
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      Baby, and you don’t think that your place on YouTube.
    3. SOVIET UNION 2 28 January 2020 19: 45 New
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      What nationalities disappeared under Stalin? And can you tell how civilized Europe brought civilization to other peoples on the continents? hi
  • bandabas 28 January 2020 16: 02 New
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    “If we see that Germany wins, then we should help Russia, and if Russia will win, we should help Germany, and thus let them kill each other as much as possible.” - Senator Harry Truman. “... when the Anglo-American side finally opened a second front in Normandy, in June 1944, this was not at all to alleviate the situation of Soviet troops on the eastern front. It was in order to ourselves also be present in Europe at the end of the war. "" E. Dzelepi Churchill's Secret (Towards the Third World War 1945- ...)
    1. Octopus 28 January 2020 22: 27 New
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      Why did you write this? How many millions of Russians are you ready to give for socialist Belgium?
  • demo 28 January 2020 16: 17 New
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    He communicated on equal terms with Churchill and Roosevelt, did they respect Stalin during the war years, and did not blame them for “totalitarianism”, or did they then lie?
    They lied, no doubt.
    For they understood what awaited them in the event of Hitler's victory — the occupation of Britain. And the United States from across the ocean will not fight against Europe under the leadership of the Germans.
    But Stalin knew the value of their words. It was difficult to deceive him.
    Speaking about Stalin, we must remember that before his revolutionary activities he received a good education at the seminary, although he did not pass final exams, but received the knowledge and argued with Trotsky on “theological” issues. Hence his oratorical abilities.
    Stalin - a speaker - this is said too much.
    Stalin spoke in the office.
    But he said so that every word, like a sharpened knife, was digging into the brain.
    Oratory to the crowd of people who do not know you is aerobatics.
    And make them instantly change their point of view from yours to yours.
    Stalin did not possess such talents.
    Yes, he did not need them.
    Trotsky - yes! Tribune. And Stalin admitted it.
    But to argue in theology is not an indicator. For Trotsky was an ignoramus in these matters.

    The rest is without comment.
    1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 16: 30 New
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      Stalin was neither a cabinet theorist nor a demagogue-orator. He is a pragmatic practitioner.
      1. demo 28 January 2020 17: 56 New
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        I agree.
        I spent a lot of words.
        You spoke shorter and clearer.
  • Ros 56 28 January 2020 16: 22 New
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    Absolutely correct approach to the question of the study of that era. good
  • BAI
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    1. The younger the blogger, the worse he lived under Stalin.
    2. The problem is that in the USSR (RF) there is still a lot of secret information about that era, while it is open in the West. That allows for multiple falsifications. The legacy, frankly, of a closed society. So who can say why the Nazi crimes or information, as the Soviet soldiers met in Europe, were classified and removal of the neck from them is now presented as a great achievement?
    1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 16: 46 New
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      In the Union, history, in particular the history of the Great Patriotic War, was fairly reminded. Where, for example, detailed coverage of the Battle of Rzhev, or rather - all three operations? Only fragmentary information, nothing more, although the forces involved in it and the scale of the operation were not inferior to the Battle of Stalingrad. Where is the correct description of the initial period of the war? So that I could, in due time, read the book NSh 4 Army at the beginning of the war, LM Sandalova,
      “Fighting of the 4th Army in the initial period of the Great Patriotic War” and “On the Pogorelogorishchensky direction”, one good man committed a malfeasance - these books were stamped with chipboard. Why did you have to hide it? After all, they learn not only from victories, they also learn from defeats. In the end, all these omissions are disrespect for the fallen.
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        Well, Zelensky blurted out something about the start of the war.
        Everyone made a fuss right away. Putin:
        “Thank God, we have enough archival documents that we got as trophies from European countries after the Second World War.”
        Where are these documents, why keep them secret? Why can’t they be laid out earlier, before Zelensky and the Poles start fucking?
        1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 17: 37 New
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          These documents had to be laid out immediately after the war, while the smoke of the battles had not yet been dispelled. It is very difficult now to defend the truth, if for 70 years we have hushed up this very truth. At school, they told us the truth about Khatyn and the imported Oradour and Lidice. Meanwhile, the real truth is much worse: only in the Novgorod, Tver and Pskov regions, there are more than a dozen burned together with the villagers. Half-truth is worse than a lie.
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            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            Meanwhile, the real truth is much worse: only in the Novgorod, Tver and Pskov regions, there are more than a dozen burned together with the villagers. Half-truth is worse than a lie.

            For 1 killed German soldier, the Germans destroyed 100 hostages from among civilians. For one officer, from 300 to 500. These rules were the same for all occupied territories. Lidice burned for Heydrich.
            1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 18: 31 New
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              The village of Pogoreltsi (39 people died).
              The Ninth Village - 1943 (146 people died).
              The village of Palkino - 1943 (100 people died).
              Ordylovo Village - 1941 (116 people were killed).
              The village of Korovyakino - (175 people died).
              This is burnt together with the inhabitants of the village only ONE DISTRICT of the Smolensk region.
              What has been done so that the descendants remember them?
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                This is burnt together with the inhabitants of the village only ONE DISTRICT of the Smolensk region.

                It is also important to know why they were burned.
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                What has been done so that the descendants remember them?

                Is this a question for me?
                1. Shchors 29 January 2020 23: 52 New
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                  It’s also important to know why they were burned.

                  Are you a fascist?
  • Mavrikiy 28 January 2020 16: 31 New
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    At the beginning of the twentieth century, Europe - the slave owner of the world
    I do not agree. angry Europe, like the USA was, is and will be slaveholders. Their whole ideology is based on the religion of irreconcilable hatred of alien worldviews, values, culture and envy of the wealth of others. And all the vaunted multiculturalism does not apply to Africa, Asia, etc., there it is quite possible to bomb and poison.
  • Odysseus 28 January 2020 16: 51 New
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    Here we fall into a historical trap. The authorities dismantled socialism and the USSR, and striving to join the capitalist world, naturally took anti-communism as ideology, but taking it as their only religion, they are forced to condemn the USSR and Lenin and Stalin, and accept all interpretations of the West (as a winner in the Cold War ) But, in turn, they cannot do this, because capitalism in Russia is parasitic and all their wealth is from the place in the UN Security Council, to tanks, from research institutes to missiles, they simply stole from the USSR. As the victory in the Great Patriotic War is rightly said, now the only ideological bond in Russia. Take it away from the authorities of the Russian Federation with what will they remain? Will they celebrate the anniversary of the execution of the Supreme Council or the new billion Usmanov? Hence the attempt to parasitize on the legacy of the Second World War. But this cannot be done because it is a “damned scoop” and the entire “progressive public” has already determined that the USSR is to blame for unleashing 2 MVs.
    Hence all this shameful historical schizophrenia with plywood and tricolor (under which Vlasov fought) covering Lenin's mausoleum at the celebration of the victory of the USSR, with stories of "bad Bolsheviks" and a "terrible revolution", but a good victory in the Second World War, and shouting that the West we are offended by distorting the story, in exactly the same tales of the bad Bolsheviks who offended all good Europe by unleashing 2 MB.
    1. Nonna 28 January 2020 19: 37 New
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      Your comment is the best. Ideally characterizes the current regime and all its failures and defeats on the historical and political front.
  • To be or not to be 28 January 2020 17: 00 New
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    "It was clear to Stalin and all politicians in Europe that Hitler decided to attack Poland when he proposed that the USSR sign the non-aggression pact in August 1939."

    August 21, 1939 Letter from the Reich Chancellor of Germany A. Hitler to the Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B.) I. V. Stalin

    21 1939 of August
    {{* Передано послом Германии в СССР Ф. Шуленбургом В. М. Молотову в 15 час.}}
    (transfer)))

    .. "5. The tension between Germany and Poland has become intolerable. Polish behavior towards a great power is such that a crisis can erupt from day to day. Germany, in any case, is determined to henceforth by all means protect its interests against these claims." "
    http://doc20vek.ru/node/932
    http://www.hrono.info/dokum/193_dok/193908dok.php
    1. mat-vey 28 January 2020 17: 53 New
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      "It was clear to Stalin and all politicians in Europe that Hitler decided to attack Poland when he proposed that the USSR sign the non-aggression pact in August 1939." - and not in May 1939 decided when the plan for a military company began to be developed?
  • bober1982 28 January 2020 17: 04 New
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    Quote: maidan.izrailovich
    And now we’ve realized ...

    Fed up, that’s drawn to Stalin, there is a direct relationship - I haven’t noticed, that is, you’re lying on the couch drunk (maybe), maybe not drunk (what’s the difference) - and you think about the greatness of the Stalin era.
    Where were in the 90s? They laughed like horses about this great epoch. That's where they were.
  • paul3390 28 January 2020 17: 10 New
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    Churchill called democracy the worst

    Plato, by the way, too ..
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      "Democracy is the power of thieves and robbers who plunder the property of the state."
      It is attributed to either the Bhadovat Gita or the Mahabharatra.
      But absolutely for sure - not the Kama Sutra.
  • Charlie 28 January 2020 17: 29 New
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    Quote: Wend
    No, but the critics did not decrease, I would even say there are more, and some also get paid for criticism.

    Until 1953 they planted such people, under Khrushchev they opened their mouths, under Brezhnev they fell silent, and now they are already paying dollars.

    And in what currency do they pay for propaganda of the current regime? Dollars, euros? Or do they really roll away wood from a wide state pocket?
  • rocket757 28 January 2020 17: 32 New
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    You cannot forbid to argue, debate, carry nonsense!
    It will be even worse ...
    It is NECESSARY to teach YOUR HISTORY, and not bashfully then to kick, think.
    Those. if state policy continues to be so flawed, they will hang more and more lies and nonsense. Common truths, unless this is required to explain to any sane person!
    1. solzh 28 January 2020 18: 08 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      It is NECESSARY to teach YOUR HISTORY, and not bashfully then to kick, think

      good I agree!
  • parusnik 28 January 2020 17: 43 New
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    It turns out that the author can write articles with adequate conclusions:
    The era of Stalin needs to be studied, not praised or stigmatized.
    1. Reptiloid 28 January 2020 19: 51 New
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      Quote: parusnik
      It turns out that the author can write articles with adequate conclusions:
      The era of Stalin needs to be studied, not praised or stigmatized.

      Good evening, Alex! hi probably the author, like all of us, reads about this era, compares? Well, if articles appear on it on this topic laughing
      But I’ve become thoughtful, I often hear, read, they say, the wrong economy under the USSR was, they say, they all dragged everything to their home, they say all kinds of dormoids ----- brothers, non-brothers fed, a lot of all sorts of things ....
      Then the privatizers privatized, privatized ..........
      Then, for almost 30 years, the country has enjoyed the Soviet legacy ......... Was there such an incorrect economy under the USSR?
  • swyatoslav 28 January 2020 18: 33 New
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    The author apparently thinks he is hyper illiterate, over and over again reproaching not imagining (probably) his imaginary opponents ... all at once in bulk, so to speak. Well let him.
    At the same time, the author drives himself into a "Procrustean bed" from which it will not be so easy to get out!
    Stalin was a revolutionary and lived in a revolutionary era: "The cruel age - cruel hearts!"
    - and what, many countries physically destroyed their citizens in this era?
    I recall only the German Freikorites. Repression, emigration, nationalization, and so on - there are also few analogies (but one certainly is). The economic breakthrough in the 30s and its reasons - and there is only one for "you know which country". I do not want to further develop the idea.
    He would have written only for the country and the people - he would have been right around and would have avoided (unpleasant) analogies.
    But this, apparently, was the meaning of the article: once again scolding the critics of Stalin and raising the next praises to him. Thus, recalling not only the bright, but also the dark sides of his reign - EXACTLY what they compare with “you know who”. You have to think what you write!
  • Engineer 28 January 2020 18: 59 New
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    To all of Stalin.
    (attention, 18+)
  • paul3390 28 January 2020 19: 57 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    social leveling.

    There was no leveling in the USSR. Those who were ready to plow had money incomparable with the average level. Only then - the gap was quite acceptable, and this money - exactly what was earned. Hard work, for example in the north. When I decided to buy a car in my native Kirovsky factory, I bought a car from him, working seven days a week and in one and a half or two shifts, more than 900 rubles a month .. When ITS was usual 120. And a friend bought a three-year cooperative for three years in the north. So you don’t have to lie about what you don’t know - you can immediately see that you did not live in the USSR at a conscious age ..
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      When I decided to buy a car at my Kirov plant, I decided to buy a car from him, working seven days a week and in one and a half or two shifts more than 900r per month .. With ITRovskaya usual 120

      Well, where do such storytellers come from?
      Quote: paul3390
      A friend in four years in the north bought a cooperative three-ruble note.

      Yeah. Only before that he had made money on speculation and other beer foam. And then he went to the North to wash them through the apartment.
      We know these Soviet schemes. And we ourselves can still talk about this topic.
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        From the Kirov factory. On which I plowed for 6 years under the Soviet regime. Unlike you, the most gracious one, who obviously spoke about the USSR only in liberal propaganda about infancy and read all nonsense.

        O - judging by the profile, a freshly hatched liberal girl? A newborn troll?
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            Stop lying. Those who lived in the USSR cannot write such nonsense. Unless of course he does not lie in a revelation.
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              Quote: paul3390
              Those who lived in the USSR cannot write such nonsense.

              Not all who lived in the USSR were stupid. Therefore, it can easily.
    2. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 20: 52 New
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      Actually, I’m already 58 years old, a pensioner. So, my mother, the doctor of the Central Clinical Hospital earned 125 scars a month. Plumber of the same hospital - 150. Leveling? No, it will be worse than leveling when the surgeon saving the life received less than half-drunk Uncle Vasya.
  • Old26 28 January 2020 20: 38 New
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    The era of Stalin needs to be studied, not praised or stigmatized. And respect her tragedy and victory.

    It is written absolutely correctly. Do not praise or stigmatize, namely to study ...
    And I think writing something on this topic is meaningless. Everyone has their own view on this person and his role in the history of the country.
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    Quote: paul3390
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    social leveling.

    There was no leveling in the USSR. Those who were ready to plow had money incomparable with the average level. Only then - the gap was quite acceptable, and this money - exactly what was earned. Hard work, for example in the north. When I decided to buy a car in my native Kirovsky factory, I bought a car from him, working seven days a week and in one and a half or two shifts, more than 900 rubles a month .. When ITS was usual 120. And a friend bought a three-year cooperative for three years in the north. So you don’t have to lie about what you don’t know - you can immediately see that you did not live in the USSR at a conscious age ..

    You are not quite right. Leveling was. And we could plow how much you fit, but we wouldn’t get any more from this. It would be possible to take 2 people - one who plowed, the second who worked through the sleeves. And with the same position, they received an absolutely equal salary. The only thing that was possible, the one who plowed could move up the ranks faster than the one who was swinging
    And the acceptable gap was between the lower echelon and the leaders. I started as a technician in the department - the salary was 105, and the head of the department, professors, doctors of sciences - 500. Plus, he received 125 more for managing the department’s research work. Total 625, which is only 6 times more than the technician. And between the laboratory assistant and the department head the difference was about 8 times. Not a hundred or more than now ...
    I wanted to get more - go to the mine, go to the North. But inside the team there was still egalitarianism. And everywhere. At least in the 70s - 80s
    1. Octopus 28 January 2020 22: 36 New
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      between the laboratory assistant and the department head the difference was about 8 times. Not a hundred or more than now ...

      Well, don't exaggerate. I will not say for everyone, but as a rule, the head of the department is a small bird. But the rector and his entourage, in comparison with the professor, yes, can receive completely inadequate money.
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    Quote: Old26
    But inside the team there was still egalitarianism. And everywhere

    In the factories - was not. There was a deal, plus bitness and other bonuses - where did the leveling come from ??
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    In the factories - was not. There was a deal, plus bitness and other bonuses - where did the leveling come from ??

    At the factories - I agree with you, especially if there was piecework and discharges. But egalitarianism was not so much in this, but in that, in most institutions, institutes, and design bureaus, two people in the same positions received the same salary even if one plowed and the other did nothing, or rather, what’s called "from still. " And the leader in such a situation could not give them different salaries, he could only try the one who plows to push them to a higher place in order to get a higher category ...
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  • NordUral 28 January 2020 22: 44 New
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    [b] Winners are not judged
    Then our grandfathers and fathers won under the leadership of Stalin.
    !
    Today or tomorrow we will have to win, win or die, like a people and a country!
  • Thompson 28 January 2020 22: 45 New
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    The Great Stalin and the Great Era !!!
    Therefore, today's losers, grabbers and grabbers ... so they hate him and hay afraid of losing the loot
  • Old26 28 January 2020 22: 49 New
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    Quote: Octopus
    Quote: Old26
    between the laboratory assistant and the department head the difference was about 8 times. Not a hundred or more than now ...

    Well, don't exaggerate. I will not say for everyone, but as a rule, the head of the department is a small bird. But the rector and his entourage, in comparison with the professor, yes, can receive completely inadequate money.

    I do not exaggerate, but call the level of salaries at the department in the period 1974-1980. The head of the department is still a sufficient amount at the institute. So to say the third level of the leader after the rector and dean. And the difference was as I wrote. Then there were no cards, or anything else. All received according to the sheet and signed in it. I remember
    As for the rector, of course I don’t know how much he received, but I don’t think that this money was inadequate. I certainly didn’t get tens of thousands at the above time. Maybe a thousand or a little more (or maybe less). I do not know. But such a gap, as it is now clear, was not
  • Knell wardenheart 29 January 2020 01: 23 New
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    A hero or not a hero is a matter of emphasis. For the Mongols, Genghis Khan is a national hero. Father of the nation, great leader, etc. For neighboring nations - this is a dude who crushed 100500 people for nothing, he drove a bunch of cities, enslaved and captivated the best hands of the talented peoples of that time, and what’s there, he drank a bunch of these peoples "under the spine". Such a hero is good, huh? Well, humanly, did he do a good thing? However, the fruit of his activity (tin, bloodthirsty, guts, meat and BDSM of epic proportions) was the creation of a nation and its inscription into world history. And now they write about this forehead in history textbooks. They say he conquered this and that, created an unprecedented empire, etc. Stingy, streamlined lines, “overboard” of which there will always be pyramids of heads as in “The Apotheosis of War”, ashes of cities, broods of devoured ravens and VOID where life had been boiling until recently.

    Stalin is the same figure as Genghis Khan, if you think about it. There were definitely people who caught the profit from his activities. Definitely he also strengthened the empire. There were definitely those people who rested in his Bose from his activities. Families.

    What is objectively GOOD in all this? Is it worth it in our time, when the majority of those present here have a flare of fire from raising their retirement age by 5 years? What would these comrades say if they knew that a law was being passed according to which their cozy and appetizing life in a familiar place becomes overnight a "kulak lifestyle" - and they themselves are "fists". Both their children and their wives. Cool, probably, will feel it on your own hard side, in our cool time, when everyone, even the most beautiful red-patriot, cherishes his PERSONAL property, money in the bank and the fact that the state does not come for him on the “black funnel” for that some work colleague reliably outlined in the denunciation that it was you who were the center of contra and wrecking.
    1. Oleg Skvortsov 29 January 2020 12: 30 New
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      Knell, you have liberoid porridge in your head, a teenage mind that grew up on dartweaters.
      1. Knell wardenheart 29 January 2020 13: 22 New
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        We respect freedom of speech? Private property freedom? Are we a member of the party? Do we believe that domestic is better than foreign?
        Ask yourself these questions and then bring nonsense) Because if you answer negatively to at least one of them - for the Stalin era you are a counter, a fist, a potential wrecker or sympathizer.
        Would you like to live in a country from which you will not be allowed to go anywhere, to plow your whole life on the collective farm, for example, or in a sharashka, like SP Korolev? Or maybe half of the Queen’s biography, also spiteful liberal liberals, came up with ?-)
        How do you like that, Elon Musk
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    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
    Even modern stores cannot provide the population with goods. The population has to turn to the Chinese brothers and wait for the desired product for weeks. Such a good queue from two weeks to two months!

    What exactly can not provide? If you want to order on an Internet to a little cheaper, then the period of weeks is your fee for a lower price. Want to buy right away - please go to the store. exception - furniture stores. I bought a kitchen for my daughter, so the lead time for all the sizes I need, with the right materials is 1-2 months. And even then 2 months, if you are given an installment plan, that is, you paid an initial contribution of 50%, and you can pay the remaining amount at least immediately with the installment, or at any other time, or you can divide in half and pay a quarter each month.
    And they bought the same refrigerator out of turn. The problem was choosing a model. Two hours after the purchase, they brought it, raised it to the third floor, freed it from packaging and checked it. The same thing with the washer. But if he wanted to save a little and ordered on Aliexpress or a similar platform, then he would have to wait. So choose: immediately, but more expensive, or after 2 weeks, but cheaper with the same model ...
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    the message of the article is correct ... the stigmatization and praise of that era take place, but there is absolutely no sane analysis ... and it’s completely absent ..., the picture is very ambiguous, and the layout and actions of the Soviet leadership ... not to mention by night , it’s good that there are special guards ....,
    1. cloud catcher 29 January 2020 09: 50 New
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      Totally agree with you. Truth is a process of human activity, the main content of which is the reflection of objective reality in his mind, and the result is the acquisition of new knowledge about the "subject of dispute". If we do not notice the minuses, then we automatically delineate the period or personality. Perhaps, with declassification of new data on this period, a more detailed and comprehensive analysis will be carried out ...
    2. place 29 January 2020 15: 37 New
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      layouts and actions of the Soviet leadership


      “Dealings” are primarily from the slang of the criminal world. In fact, not "alignment", but the legislation of the USSR, established by the Soviet leadership. So claims to the Soviet laws adopted by the Top. Is there any council of the USSR?
      You, Mr. Good, have the same trouble as most of our blessed people. For you, crimes against the law and government are the crimes of the government itself. Because for you power = arbitrariness of the master, and not the execution of the law. A typical fallacy of the descendants of serfs. To a serf, the law generally does not matter, for everything is decided by the "hands and actions" of the master!
      Law in the country of descendants of serfs is just paper for wiping your ass. THE SLOPE IS JUST THINKING THERE IS NOTHING BECAUSE OF A NON-COMPLEX OF BRAIN OF THE BRAIN OF THE BRAIN. Only after 7 generations will form .... some way to the second half of the 21st century .......
  • Stalnov I.P. 29 January 2020 12: 31 New
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    Whatever others respect, let some in our country learn to respect the past, they themselves can’t really do anything, even the 1990 GDP of the RSFSR cannot be surpassed, and aplomb, critics, fairy tales can be printed directly. As long as there is such a mess in the country, irresponsibility, lack of discipline, order, honesty will not result in any victories. Neither that scope, nor those abilities and leadership qualities.
  • place 29 January 2020 12: 55 New
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    In our society, there are subjectively (from the point of view of "I - and the world") two types of relationships:
    1. I’m the boss,
    2. You are the boss.
    But objectively - this is the same type of relationship.
    There are no other relationships in our society! At our place, both at work and in family and on the street and in communication with friends - THIS is the main thing. Relations are reduced only to a constant deaf fight against No. 2 for No. 1. Maybe in some kind of mild form - but in fact only that.
    And therefore, if someone is stigmatized or what - then it’s really type No. 1. And if you “study” .. heh, heh ..... guys, we don’t have such public stereotypes of behavior. So that without bosses and fools ...... you simply won’t understand ........ fantastic!
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    Come on, Kamenev ...
    He communicated on equal terms with Churchill and Roosevelt, did they respect Stalin during the war years, and did not blame them for “totalitarianism”, or did they then lie?
    Well, why did you lie right away? Koba dragged chestnuts for them, and this should be encouraged, not scolded for it.
    .... however, did not pass the final exams ....
    Here they were all such, one could not pass exams (probably he studied so), the other, on the contrary, passed externally (evil tongues say that daddy agreed ...). Here they are .... leaders. Hence the results.
    Stalin can be compared with Robespierre, Danton, Napoleon ....
    And how many Frenchmen died of starvation under Napoleon, can you say?
    And what, the USSR had to defend the "Pilsudan" Poland hostile to him?
    That did not protect and lost 27 million of its citizens ....
    England betrayed Poland ....
    What was that about? England declared war on Germany.
    And respect her tragedy and victory .....
    Do you think hunger is a tragedy?
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  • Nikolai Korovin 29 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    The "zone of interests of the USSR" in Poland included territories bounded by the rivers Narew-Vistula-San. On these rivers there are a number of fortresses, which were built under the tsars to defend themselves against German aggression, which even before the 2nd World War did not completely lose their significance as strong points, which was clearly proved by the defense of the Brest Fortress. At this line, the Polish army could take up a stable defense - it is not so easy to force these rivers. Therefore, Stalin created such a "sphere of interests", in which, the Polish government, with the support of the USSR, which initially appeared to the Poles in September 1939, although not on a very large scale (but, in any case, cotton was delivered) could stop the German offensive, which, in the presence of a real Western front, could force Hitler to negotiate. But no one assumed that the Polish army would actually just scatter. The Germans did not count on such dizzying success. But the losses of the inferior German army (a large part of the forces were in the West) during the defeat of the two-million-strong Polish army were insignificant. And only idiots can believe that only after the signing of the pact on 23.08.1939/1.09.1939/1939 Hitler decided to attack Poland on XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX. It is physically impossible to concentrate troops and supplies in a week. Hitler made the decision in April, when he broke the pact with Poland. So the pact was concluded largely in the interests of Poland. At the same time, Lithuania remained in the zone of German interests, which happened to be in September XNUMX (the Lithuanian army occupied the border with Poland and pulled out two Polish divisions).
  • varlachev.alexei 30 January 2020 11: 25 New
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    I.O. Stalin is the greatest ruler of Russia in its entire history until 2000. In total there are 4. IVAN 4 Grozny, Peter 1 reformer, Joseph Stalin and Vladimir Putin. If everything that he has in mind can be brought to its logical conclusion and solve the problem of transferring power to reliable hands, then the whole people should not bow to him exactly at the feet, the whole world will thank him. Not now, of course, in a hundred years. Maybe in two hundred. For the salvation of mankind from death.
  • Old26 30 January 2020 14: 10 New
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    Quote: Maria Gorina
    in the USSR there were no homeless people! Didn’t live then, don’t talk!

    There were, but in much smaller quantities. Somewhere in the years 76-78, they were on duty at the DND, together with the police. They brought a brow from the landfill, which it was impossible to approach without a gas mask and chemical protection means. Zabakh is killer, it’s not worth talking about insects on it. So there were in Soviet times, but, I repeat, in much smaller quantities.
  • Vladimir Mashkov 30 January 2020 22: 30 New
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    He wrote about Stalin many times. I repeat again. Artists say that big mistakes are not visible in the small picture, and small errors are visible in the big picture. Same thing with people. But Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin is not just a person. He is a statesman of world scale, forever in the history of the USSR, Russia and the world. And his opponents, opponents of the USSR, Russia and the Russian past, present and future, fought, are at war and will be at war with him, Russia and the Russians always, forever, without stopping at anything, lied, lie and will always lie. But what about Stalin? Yes, he had a lot of different things: both bad and good. But if on the scales of history to weigh its good and bad on different scales, then the good will clearly outweigh. It is also necessary to relate to him: to condemn his mistakes, but to thank for good deeds for people and the country!
    1. Vladimir Mashkov 31 January 2020 16: 46 New
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      There are some here who DO NOT understand (or do not want to understand!). GREATEST SERVICE I.V. Stalin lies in the fact that, together with his associates and assistants, he not only created the greatest country in history, the largest country in the world, rallied different peoples, revolutionized it from backward agrarian to advanced industrial, raised it to the second place in the world by influence, but and defended the independence of the USSR against the Nazi national team of Europe, led by Hitler. And it’s not Stalin’s fault that his followers ineptly squandered (I would use a different word, but, I’m afraid, they will ban me) the achievements and achievements of the USSR and the “Stalinist team”! But Stalin made mistakes, of course. Mistakes are not made only by one who does nothing, but only criticizes.
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    Stalin is the most cruel and disgusting killer in world history, on his conscience tens of millions of victims, tortured by the most sophisticated sadistic methods.

    Alexander Solzhenitsyn, in the book “The Gulag Archipelago” estimated the total number of victims of repression at 88 million people.

    It is a mistake to compare Stalin and Hitler: Hitler destroyed people outside his country, and Stalin destroyed millions of his countrymen.

    It is strange to read laudatory odes to the criminal Stalin, it is impossible to imagine a statue of Hitler in Berlin or somewhere in Germany, however, monuments to Stalin in Russia, in recent years, have been erected ....

    Many articles were published about Stalin’s mistakes during WWII, but it’s enough to recall the capture of 650.0000 (!) Soviet troops, Marshal Zhukov accused Stalin of defeating the South-Western Front, defending Kiev.
    1. Same lech 31 January 2020 07: 26 New
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      Alexander Solzhenitsyn, in the book “The Gulag Archipelago” estimated the total number of victims of repression at 88 million people.

      Throw this book into the stove ... blatant lies and lies.
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      God marks the assault. For example, the name of a prominent writer comes from the word "lie."
      The word "repression" itself is the invention of specialist psychologists for the mass production of zombies.
      As soon as the zombie reads the conditional word, he develops adrenaline, and he wants to read it another hundred times. If we take into account all the “repressions,” then the able-bodied population of Russia would have to be “near zero”.
      According to archival data of the USSR Ministry of Internal Affairs (memorandum to Khrushchev from the Ministry of Internal Affairs), from 1921 to 1953, 642 people were executed for counter-revolutionary crimes, and 980 people were imprisoned. Under Yeltsin, there were more prisoners.
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      Quote: alta
      Alexander Solzhenitsyn, in the book “The Gulag Archipelago” estimated the total number of victims of repression at 88 million people.


      According to Goebbels, the very existence of such “repressions” testifies to the complete mental inferiority of the nation. For a mentally normal nation, obviously, this will never allow.
      Since in reality the nation won the war and rebuilt the country, the inferiority conclusion must be applied to the living zombies. Here they are much more than 88 million.
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    For. in order to be respected and studied, we need UM, which some completely lack.