Debts of Belarus: from whom to borrow “without politics”

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The Belarusian portal TUT.BY published an article on the growth of public debt of its Republic. The publication notes that last year the state debt of Belarus reached 43 billion rubles and continues to grow. According to forecast estimates by TUT.BY, by the end of 2020, due to new borrowings, the debt will grow to a record 54,4 billion rubles. For reference: 1 Belarusian ruble at today's exchange rate is about 29,3 Russian rubles.

Economics of subsidy backups


Without further ado, experts evaluate the state debt of the Republic in Belarusian rubles, although they make a reservation: 90% of accumulated borrowings are denominated in foreign currency (mainly in US dollars), external debt reached $ 16,6 billion.



Expert concerns are easy to understand. Who will like the growth of borrowings that threaten the stability of the country's economy? After all, the government of Belarus has already designated the limit line of the state debt of 45% of GDP, and today the borrowing rate has approached 36% of GDP. 36% is not so much, but most importantly, the debt growth rate is increasing.

Experts reassure themselves and readers that world practice knows examples of other scales of the ratio of borrowing to national product. In fact, in some countries it has already exceeded 100% of GDP, and, for example, in Japan it has flown to 295%. And nothing!

Only such a “tonic” conclusion is hardly appropriate in assessing the economy of the Republic of Belarus. The fact is that she is subsidized. According to the International Monetary Fund, in just one decade (from 2005 to 2015) Russia donated $ 106 billion to the Belarusian economy! The Central Bank of the Russian Federation gave another noteworthy figure: due to the duty-free sale of oil and gas discounts in 2011-2016. Belarus thus received from Russia $ 48,4 billion.

According to the already mentioned IMF, in 2018 (there are no more recent data), Belarus' GDP amounted to $ 59,4 billion in nominal value. It is easy to compare what real assistance Russia provided to its ally and partner.

At disjoint courses


In principle, there is nothing unusual in this fact. There is a fairly widespread practice in the world when powerful world powers give preferences to more modest partners in economic terms.

Russia was obliged to do so by the agreement on the creation of the Union State of 1997. Meanwhile, this agreement is a two-way road. Moscow did not wait for counter steps from Minsk. Usually, in support of this circumstance, they recall the position of the President of Belarus in the Crimea, when the Minsk ally simply ignored the interests of his Moscow partner.

But it is better to recall a later time - the Russian embargo on the supply of motor fuel to Ukraine. Minsk was then very fussed about and secured fuel supplies for warring Kiev from its refineries, which processed preferential oil from Russia for fuel.

Today Belarus has problems with Russian oil. Last year, Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko were unable to agree on a Union State road map for oil, gas and taxes. At the same time, the Belarusian leader insisted: energy prices for his country should be at the level of domestic Russian ("as in the Smolensk region").

Alexander Grigoryevich very interestingly substantiated his demand in the Belarusian media: supposedly, Minsk "annually subsidizes the Russian economy for $ 9 billion and contains 40 million Russians." Lukashenko made this conclusion from the negative balance (just by $ 9 billion) of the balance sheet for Belarus in trade with Russia. But what does the "subsidy" have to do with it?

Alexander Lukashenko easily put his weak economy near the sixth world economy - the Russian one. What can I say? With all the preferences received from Moscow, since 2011 the average GDP growth in Belarus has not exceeded 1,1% per year. For 2020-2024. The IMF generally expects its annual decline by 0,05%.

It is clear that in such conditions, to keep the economy afloat, borrowing cannot be avoided. About them, too, almost the whole year negotiations took place between Moscow and Minsk. Belarus requested a loan of $ 630 million from Russia and another $ 200 million of the seventh tranche of the Eurasian Fund.

Then she changed her mind. According to the Minister of Finance of Belarus M. Yermolovich for the media, “there is absolutely no need for any political loans.” (This is an allusion to the Kremlin’s demand for deeper integration under the Union State treaty). That is, now Minsk is looking not just for whom to borrow “to pay”, but for whom to borrow “without politics”.

Minsk found a “commercial loan” in Beijing. In late December, Belarus received from China a tranche in RMB equivalent to $ 500 million. Now there are statements: "The loan is not connected by anything." The authorities of the Republic of Belarus only keep silent that it is $ 100 million less than the debt obligations of Belarusians that they should pay to the Chinese in 2020.

They say the economy does not like fuss. Its success lies in carefully verified partnerships, when the balance of interests is taken into account in good faith. Anyone who does not want to accept this rule usually loses and only multiplies his debts. This seems to be the case.
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  1. +9
    27 January 2020 19: 11
    What? Fine. Russia subsidizes Lukashenko, who buys oil in Norway for crazy money for Russian money. Priborzel dad at the end.
    1. +23
      27 January 2020 19: 23
      Oversheets ... belay Found a breadwinner! laughing So Lukashenko subsidizes the Russian economy for $ 9 billion. And it contains 40 million Russians. what Unexpected turn!
      1. +3
        27 January 2020 19: 26
        I would ask this "breadwinner" for everything, but just take from him except for tests.
        1. +7
          27 January 2020 19: 30
          Quote: Kleber
          I would ask this "breadwinner" for everything, but just take from him except for tests.

          I think just take it and ask for a way out. The relationship between one people - without it, will be fine. We will be the citizens of one state!
          1. +7
            27 January 2020 19: 32
            A screech about sovereignty will be around the world.
            1. +19
              27 January 2020 19: 36
              A screech over any action of Russia will be! What do we need their squeals?
              The people should decide if they hold referendums - I think the majority in both countries are for the Unification! So you need to act until time is lost!
              1. -6
                27 January 2020 21: 55
                Rotenberg will be happy, because there are a lot of things to privatize ...
                1. +2
                  28 January 2020 02: 00
                  Has Rottenberg privatized a lot, for example, from the Tatars? They live for themselves, do not bother anyone. Alikperov and the local were all privatized. Likewise, with the Republic of Bashkortostan, it will privatize its own and will become a few more "Russian oligarchs" more ... To breed panic out of nothing. In addition, "this is not privatized" is not very profitable, judging by the constant subsidies from the Russian Federation.
                  Another thing is different potential "Yushchenko". You don't need one more "barking" at your side
                  1. +3
                    28 January 2020 11: 12
                    Don't scare yourself with "privatization" and "oligarchs"! The leading enterprises of Belarus are already not very competitive. Integration is needed, which has long been proposed but rejected. Now there may not be hunters - the older the girl, the less attractive.
              2. +2
                27 January 2020 22: 56
                In Belarus, the election scheme has been polished 20 years before the splendor, so no one will ever know the real results.
              3. -1
                28 January 2020 01: 21
                Quote: ANIMAL
                The people should decide if they hold referendums - I think the majority in both countries are for the Unification!

                Well, really, we Russian and Belarusians will be enemies!
              4. 0
                30 January 2020 10: 21
                What for? What is the sacred meaning of subsidizing Belarus? With or without dad, within the framework of one state or not, 8-10 billion US dollars must be pumped into Belarus annually.
          2. +4
            27 January 2020 20: 06
            Quote: ANIMAL
            I think just take it and ask for a way out

            How to ask?
            Quote: ANIMAL
            The relationship between one people - without it, will be fine.

            Do you seriously believe that relations between our peoples are now ruined?
            1. +8
              27 January 2020 20: 12
              Of course not, the relations between one people are excellent! But, does someone feed the Belarusian nationalists?
              We need to stop talking about Unification and Unite at last!
              1. -4
                27 January 2020 20: 21
                Quote: ANIMAL
                We need to stop talking about Unification and Unite at last!

                So, Alexander L. has already invited Kremlin figures to join Belarus. Something is not burning with desire ...
                1. 0
                  27 January 2020 21: 46
                  Quote: prosto_rgb
                  So, Alexander L. has already invited Kremlin figures to join Belarus

                  How's that? laughing
                  What a fright? You didn’t mislead anything there?
                  Yes, we do not need us as part of the Russian Federation.
                  Wait for Khokhlomaidan and do not whine
                  1. -2
                    28 January 2020 00: 42
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    How's that?

                    Yes, it’s elementary.
                    At least by Regions, even by Krai, even by Republics, even by Federal Districts.
                    Well, if everyone is afraid at the same time, then it can be done in stages.
                    For starters, the border regions can set an example of fraternal integration: the Pskov, Smolensk, Bryansk regions and even Kaluga, although it does not border Belarus.
                    And then, you look and the rest will catch up.
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    What a fright? You didn’t mislead anything there?

                    And what is there to confuse?
                    First: cleanliness and iron order.
                    Secondly: unlimited supplies of shrimp from the Belarusian sea and other goods called "sanctioning" in the Russian Federation. Moreover, it is completely and absolutely legal.
                    Thirdly: there are no oligarchs.
                    Fourth: We are not building Yeltsin centers.
                    Fifth: even Russian is the state language.
                    Well?
                    Is it not enough?
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Yes, we do not need us as part of the Russian Federation.

                    Thank. Reassured!
                    Quote: Lipchanin
                    Wait for Khokhlomaidan and do not whine

                    Why should we wait for him?
                2. -3
                  27 January 2020 22: 08
                  Quote: prosto_rgb
                  So, Alexander L. has already invited Kremlin figures to join Belarus. Something is not burning with desire ...

                  Comrade, do you understand what the Union State is? We are not talking about a takeover ...
                  And Old Man from what oak collapsed offering us this?
                3. +7
                  27 January 2020 23: 44
                  Joining Belarus is not a problem. Only at once the election of a new president and parliament. Then a referendum on the name of the country, a new constitution, and so on ... For every cunning ass - there is a genital organ with carvings ... No offense to Belarusians, your "daddy" "beguiled all the banks" - "began to row to the West" ...
                  1. -3
                    28 January 2020 18: 43
                    And who will count the votes?
                    How is 102 "% for the RF?"
                    1. +1
                      28 January 2020 19: 07
                      Together with Belarusians count. Make appearances at national elections mandatory - with a mark in your passport. I did not vote without a good reason (a list of good reasons to work out before the election) - a fine - 10 rods. Voted - 100 rubles of the Russian Federation.
                4. +1
                  28 January 2020 08: 56
                  This is about how to offer the Soviet Union in May 45 capitulate to Germany ?????
              2. +1
                27 January 2020 20: 24
                Quote: ANIMAL
                Relationships - Great!

                Here I am of the same opinion.
                1. +2
                  29 January 2020 17: 34
                  Guys, open your eyes! No great relationship! All (!) Youth of Belarus believes that Russia owes them. Maybe veterans think differently, but there are a lot of Russian veterans. Sober Up. Khokhlomaidan on the way, psheki ready
                  1. 0
                    30 January 2020 19: 10
                    You confuse the power of Belarus with the people. Not one Belarusian did not see anything with this money. In our country, we’re getting $ 250, mom gets 160.
              3. 0
                28 January 2020 01: 29
                Quote: ANIMAL
                We need to stop talking about Unification and Unite at last!

                Ksanych, we’ve been together all our lives! The people are always together!
              4. +1
                28 January 2020 02: 10
                Quote: ANIMAL
                Of course not, the relations between one people are excellent!

                Sanych! Well, we, Russians and Belarusians are the same people, we all grew out of one hole.
              5. +1
                28 January 2020 03: 10
                Quote: ANIMAL
                Unite

                And the capital is Minsk! wink
                1. -1
                  28 January 2020 09: 56
                  Quote: Uncle Lee
                  Quote: ANIMAL
                  Unite

                  And the capital is Minsk! wink

                  Any better than Moskabad
          3. +4
            27 January 2020 20: 39
            Quote: ANIMAL
            The relationship between one people - without it, will be fine.

            Are you sure that Belarusians are burning with desire under our oligarchic guardianship?
            1. +2
              27 January 2020 21: 47
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Are you sure that Belarusians are burning with desire under our oligarchic guardianship?

              Before speaking of the free aid to Belarus from the Russian Federation of $ 10 billion a year, I ask you to name the Russian oligarchs.
            2. 0
              27 January 2020 21: 54
              RZHUNEMAGU laughing
              Well, everywhere it is necessary to weave "oligarchs"
              I didn’t find it in my wife’s underpants?
              How tired of these stamps
              Come up with something newer.
              1. 0
                28 January 2020 08: 27
                Quote: Lipchanin
                I didn’t find it in my wife’s underpants?

                I did not find yours. wink
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          6. +1
            28 January 2020 02: 03
            Quote: ANIMAL
            The relationship between one people - without it, will be fine. We will be the citizens of one state!

            Well, this is what I would like! So that we are always TOGETHER.
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          1. +6
            27 January 2020 22: 12
            Quote: gnollmen
            And then the sanitary cordon around the Russian Federation will close

            Well, let's talk! How did Russia offend you so much? Just don’t have to say anything loud and not meaningful! Specifically, what?
            1. -4
              27 January 2020 22: 37
              The Russian Federation’s credit for nuclear power plants has bent so much that it will be cheaper for enemies in the decaying west, as well as for China.
              1. +7
                27 January 2020 22: 59
                1) As for%: each tranche of the loan is divided into two equal parts, in the first part 5,23% for the second 6 months usd libor + 1.83% (which is currently less than 4%)



                cheaper only for nothing! laughing

                2) When China or the decaying west will be able to build a nuclear power plant on order in five years within the budget - then please, no questions asked. And if expensive? - why buy? - no need to buy.

                As the character of the Innocent from "It Can't Be" said -
                didn't have to get married
              2. +5
                28 January 2020 12: 07
                Quote: onix757
                The Russian Federation’s credit for nuclear power plants has bent so much that it will be cheaper for enemies in the decaying west, as well as for China.

                We open the interview with Babich:

                - But the Belarusian president also made economic claims. It was also said about the allocation of funds from “enemies” at 0,75% instead of lending to the Belarusian economy and about the issuance of a loan by Sberbank at 9%. An example of lending to a Vietnamese nuclear power plant at 3% was given, while BelAES receives a loan at 4,7%. How about this?
                - You know, I am convinced that the president was simply let down, helpfully putting such arguments. The placement of state reserves in particularly reliable assets is a generally accepted world practice. But not only at 0,75%, and the weighted average rate on deposits in securities ranged from about 2,4%. But in general, at the placement of funds of the NWF, Russia, practically without risking anything, earned more than 2018 billion rubles in 70 alone.
                If for some of the more than 7,5 billion dollars of preferential state loans they got a regular commercial loan from Sberbank Belaruskali at 9% per annum, it would be necessary to explain to people that this loan was commercial and was obtained in 2015, when Belarus She had a minimum international credit rating and, according to existing banking standards, could not get a lower rate anywhere in the world. That is why the loan was not repaid immediately, as was said, but only in December 2018, when the economic opportunities of Belarus changed, including with the help of Russia.
                If we talk about Chinese loans at 2%, it is important to understand that these are the so-called “tied loans”, when at least half of the equipment and services are provided by Chinese enterprises, and as a rule, Chinese companies are the general contractor. And if the profit that they have laid in the cost of their services and equipment is shifted to bank interest, then their value may have double digits.
                Well, and about the Vietnamese nuclear power plant - this is generally some kind of anecdotal example. The fact is that such a project simply does not exist. It was on paper, but at the request of the Vietnamese side it was closed back in 2016, never starting. Of course, the president might not have known about this, but the officials who took advantage of his good attitude towards them and suggested from the audience could not have known about it. What is behind this, I don’t know, but I’m sure that the president will figure it out.
          2. +5
            27 January 2020 23: 19
            Lock up? Maybe. But better now. Old Man’s desire for a demonstrative demonstration of his independent policy does not give reason to hope for him in difficult times.
      2. -6
        27 January 2020 20: 02
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Oversheets ... belay Found a breadwinner! laughing So Lukashenko subsidizes the Russian economy for $ 9 billion. And it contains 40 million Russians. what Unexpected turn!

        And these are the words of 5, if not 10 years ago. THOSE. legends of antiquity deep.
        It will be unexpected if, after the Norwegian oil net, Alexander L. announces that Belarus subsidizes the Russian oil industry.
      3. -5
        27 January 2020 21: 34
        Quote: ANIMAL
        Oversheets ... belay Found a breadwinner! laughing So Lukashenko subsidizes the Russian economy for $ 9 billion. And it contains 40 million Russians. what Unexpected turn!

        What has turned upside down in the world? freeloader with us still require something? it is already worse than from the Poles with the tribalt.
      4. 0
        27 January 2020 21: 42
        Quote: ANIMAL
        And contains 40 million Russians

        Checkmate! request
        1. 0
          28 January 2020 11: 21
          Lots of! Then close the visa.
    2. +2
      28 January 2020 12: 17
      Quote: Kleber
      Russia subsidizes Lukashenko, and he

      Belarus is also Russia. The problem is not that the Russian Federation subsidizes or finances Belarus, but that it is not known for what. If in the long term the unification of Russia is one thing, but if it is a question of disguising the process of its further dissolution and entry into "Europe" in parts, this is another.
      According to some comments, it is very likely that Old Man is preparing to brush all the chips off the table and has already prepared his own kind of Bandera. In this case, Solovyov will have more work: Ukraine will have to be combined with Belarus. It will be even more "interesting" further. Hopefully it isn't.
      1. 0
        29 January 2020 12: 15
        Sometimes it seems that one way or very close to this. ((((
  2. -21
    27 January 2020 19: 18
    "Alexander Lukashenko easily put his weak economy next to the sixth economy in the world - Russian ..." (c) There is no reason for arrogance. Having such a natural and not yet completely lost Soviet intellectual potential to turn up one's nose and boast of the sixth (SIXTH, Karl!) Economy of the world is at least not beautiful.
    1. +7
      27 January 2020 21: 30
      But Lukashenko is not thinking about his people, but about himself. I do not want, says, to be the last president. That’s the whole answer to his claims, and the people side him. Well, as an economist, he is a layman.
  3. +4
    27 January 2020 19: 19
    But father is a cunning chairman of the collective farm Belarus. Spin, promises, begging for money - and at the very least, often knocks money out of the Russian Federation. And there you see, it will be possible, like Cuba, not to repay her debts. And just "write off" laughing
    1. +4
      27 January 2020 19: 41
      And where did the Russian fans of Batska go ??? There were a lot of them on the site .... and almost prophesied him to the presidency of the union state ... wassat And he didn’t privatize or sell state property and save the enterprises - why is Russia supporting the economy, which has done all this?


      And as for fraternal relations - the time has come to rake the PIPE problem in Ukraine, now it is time to rake the same problem with Butskoy .... Simply, all these former union republics in the PIPE think that Russia still owes them something, while they forget their obligations .... Well, why are there no problems with the pipe, with troubled Poland? Because Poland did not live in the USSR and this idea did not originate in it - to live at the expense of Russia and take it for granted !!! ...
      1. +2
        27 January 2020 20: 06
        Everything to the point, with the exception of one of the Polish party leaders during the Soviet era, often visited the currency in Moscow.
      2. +2
        27 January 2020 20: 50
        Quote: Nasr
        Well, why there are no problems in the pipe, with troubled Poland?

        For some - oil and no, but for gas ... On May 848, the contract for the transit of gas through Poland ends. The Poles said that the previous leadership entered into an unfavorable contract and arrested the previous leadership, accusing them of "causing damage to EuRoPol GAZ (200 million zlotys (more than 21 million dollars)) on a large scale through abuse of authority" and demanding an increase in transit payments "It's just a business. We will try to make sure that this does not happen for free, as it is now. 660 million zlotys per year for these billions, pumped over XNUMX km, is zero "... and here in recent days articles appear about whether it is worth concluding a new transit contract ... we will see ...
      3. +2
        27 January 2020 21: 10
        Quote: Nasr
        why is the economy supported by Russia, which has done all this?

        Because Russia signed an EAEU treaty providing for trade without export duties. And now "our" managers are marketing, abolishing export duties, replacing them with a tax on the extraction of minerals. Not quite a fair move, let's say. Here Old Man introduces a transit tax in response.
        Believe me, there and from "our" side, not everything is as transparent as we are presented. The only thing I am absolutely sure of is that at this rate we will get the second Outskirts. The third article today is about how ungrateful dependents they are.
        1. +3
          27 January 2020 21: 42
          Because Russia signed an EAEU treaty providing for trade without export duties. And now "our" managers are marketing, abolishing export duties, replacing them with a tax on the extraction of minerals. Not quite a fair move, let's say. Here Old Man introduces a transit tax in response.
          Believe me, there and from "our" side, not everything is as transparent as we are presented. The only thing I am absolutely sure of is that at this rate we will get the second Outskirts. The third article today is about how ungrateful dependents they are.


          All Igor because you, like the mustachioed agronomist, did not finish the agreement on the EAEU until the end, and then prove with foam that you were deceived. laughing sat down to play chess, and began to play pieces in checkers (if not even Chapaeva) tongue
        2. 0
          28 January 2020 11: 27
          No agreements can cancel the right of the owner (Russia) to seize natural rent in his favor. Read Marx.
      4. +2
        27 January 2020 22: 01
        It is necessary to deal with import substitution in relation to the products of the Belarusian defense industry, before it is too late!
        1. +2
          27 January 2020 22: 42
          It is necessary to take up import substitution in relation to the products of the Belarusian defense industry, before it is too late

          The main thing is to repeat it more often
    2. +13
      27 January 2020 19: 50
      Quote: xomaNN
      begs for money - and, at the very least, often knocks money out of the Russian Federation. And there you see, it will be possible, like Cuba, not to repay her debts. And just "write off"

      Somehow, no one recalls that literally in a few months the first power unit of the Belarusian nuclear power plant, which is built entirely on a Russian loan of $ 10 billion, will start working. It is noteworthy that at first Russia allocated 6 billion to Belarus for the construction of the nuclear power plant itself, and the adjacent infrastructure should be built with Belarusian funds, but suddenly it turned out that the Belarusian side was penniless, from the word completely. Smart heads in Russia proposed creating a joint venture, but Rygoritch broke out with yet another outrage and begging and secured a generous 10 billion loan from Putin and the station is being built entirely at Russian expense. Belarus promised to give a loan for 25 years, but now, at the request of the Belarusian side, negotiations have begun to increase the term to 35 years while reducing the interest rate. In short, throw everywhere, everywhere a wedge. And where are the pennies, and the pennies are again the slut, well, where is this effective Belarusian economy? I can’t even imagine what will happen at world energy prices for Belarus.
      1. +5
        27 January 2020 20: 34
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        Somehow, no one recalls that literally in a few months the first power unit of the Belarusian NPP will start working, which is built entirely on a Russian loan of $ 10 billion.

        And still no one remembers
        project for the construction of a Turkish nuclear power plant for 4 reactors of 22 billion dollars.
        Egyptian nuclear power plant construction project for 4 reactors, but already for 25 billion dollars.
        Naturally, both for a Russian loan.
        At the Egyptian nuclear power plant, a delay in repayment of the loan until the year 2050.
        Launch of the First Power Unit under the project of 2026
        Really a good delay in almost 25 years?
        1. -1
          27 January 2020 21: 11
          Quote: prosto_rgb
          Really a good delay in almost 25 years?

          Looks like the Egyptians are closer and dearer to us! laughing And then the Turks even more so!
          1. +2
            27 January 2020 22: 17
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Looks like the Egyptians are closer and dearer to us! And then the Turks even more so!

            Alas...
            You are absolutely right.
            For the current leadership of the Russian Federation it is.
            1. +2
              28 January 2020 00: 36
              For the current leadership of the Russian Federation it is.

              For the current leadership of the Russian Federation, "their" thieving colleagues and oligarchs are much closer, who carry much more than in the USSR there were expenses on foreign policy as a whole. Even dearer to their own people. Where is there to brotherly Belarus.
              In general, the collapse of any large country, empire, if you like, always begins with the statement "enough to feed." When the disadvantaged, having lost their fear and gone beyond the framework of society, begin to gnaw each other's throats, and then turn their gaze to those who are "doing well." This translates into riots, uprisings, revolutions and wars, incl. civilians in which desperate people stop defending the regime that brought them to the brink of being. The state of hopelessness is akin to dying stupor / convulsions. In anticipation of the inevitable death, any living creature does not care who brings it. A coup / revolution in this case is a necessary evil, reanimation for a half-dead organism, no matter how tragic it sounds. Much more dangerous is external aggression or intervention at the call of the usurpers losing power, since their most likely ending is genocide and the disappearance of the state from the world map.
        2. +5
          27 January 2020 21: 18
          1) Only neither Turkey, nor Egypt are standing with outstretched hands. laughing

          2) For Russia, these loans are not foreign currency for the most part since they are settled in rubles with Rosatom.
          1. -1
            27 January 2020 22: 29
            Quote: Astoria
            1) Only neither Turkey, nor Egypt are standing with outstretched hands.

            Are you hinting that it’s time to Rygorych sneak up with a knife to someone’s back?
            What would some tomatoes not get off?
            Quote: Astoria
            2) For Russia, these loans are not foreign currency for the most part since they are settled in rubles with Rosatom.

            It’s hard for me to judge in which currency Belarus is paying Rosatom.
            But, if Belarus pays $ for oil and gas, then here the most likely payment option is $ /
            1. +3
              27 January 2020 23: 11
              Are you hinting that it’s time to Rygorych sneak up with a knife to someone’s back?
              What would some tomatoes not get off?
              - no, I say plain text - CLOTHING STRETCH FOOT laughing
              1. -1
                27 January 2020 23: 33
                Quote: Astoria
                Are you hinting that it’s time to Rygorych sneak up with a knife to someone’s back?
                What would some tomatoes not get off?
                - no, I say plain text - CLOTHING STRETCH FOOT laughing

                I understood.
                Tomorrow, sutra, "I'll sit down with dictionaries on my conscience and fear."
                I will write to Alexander Rygorych a detailed economic letter: "How to save money in the construction of a nuclear power plant and other oil and gas issues."
                Here I will outline a brief essence, so to speak:
                P1. Arrange 3 (in words of three) mechanized tactor-bulldozer columns.
                P2. Send 3 (in words to three) to the addressees: Gantsevichi radar station, Vileika communications center of the Russian Navy, Baranovichi airfield (the duty link of the Su-30 airborne forces of the Russian Federation is based).
                P3. Plow the perimeter around the addressees, including: automobile, railway, pedestrian roads; taxiways; Power lines, communication lines.
                P4. Level the area inside the perimeters with bulldozers.
                A5. Present the results of the work done in the negotiations.
                P6. Say what it is: "a knife in the back" (c).
                P7. Demand: "you can't get off with tomatoes alone" (c).
                1. +6
                  27 January 2020 23: 38
                  Yes, overpower already. All three armies in the western direction of the Russian Federation keep only one thing I understand - the value of the Republic of Belarus as a military ally has significantly decreased.

                  The mustachioed agronomist, either by nature / or by virtue of age, does not understand the principle of reciprocity.

                  If the value of Belarus as an ally tends to zero, and economic support will be appropriate. It’s easy to understand, because it’s so easy to understand.
                  1. -2
                    27 January 2020 23: 57
                    Quote: Astoria
                    Yes, overpower already. All three armies in the western direction of the Russian Federation keep only one thing I understand - the value of the Republic of Belarus as a military ally has significantly decreased.

                    It is still not clear why "Russia is holding three armies in the western direction".
                    Neither Rygorych from NATO beat off, or together with NATO, to threaten him?

                    Quote: Astoria
                    The mustachioed agronomist, either by nature / or by virtue of age, does not understand the principle of reciprocity.

                    He understands it only in his own way.

                    Quote: Astoria
                    If the value of Belarus as an ally tends to zero, and economic support will be appropriate. It’s easy to understand, because it’s so easy to understand.

                    Well then everything is clear to me for a long time.
                2. +5
                  27 January 2020 23: 47
                  Take the oil pipes, return $ 5 billion for the gas pipe, dig m1 - and transit will go. Yes, Russia will have losses - and almost everything will fall into the Republic of Belarus: rural households, industry and logistics.

                  Look at the list of main taxpayers of Minsk

                  1. OJSC Gazprom Transgaz Belarus.

                  2. CJSC Belarusian Oil Company.

                  3. LLC "Tobacco-invest".

                  4. CJSC Minsk Grape Wines Plant.

                  5. RUE Minskenergo.

                  6. LLC Mobile TeleSystems.

                  7. OJSC “Minsk Crystal” - the management company of the holding company “Minsk Crystal Group”.

                  8. Unitary enterprise "Velcom".

                  9. LLC Eurotorg.

                  10. OOO Lukoil Belarus.

                  Without the oil industry (including BNK — not even 1,5 million of its own production), three out of 10 are alcohol and tobacco.

                  Finita la comedy. hi
                  1. +2
                    28 January 2020 00: 10
                    Quote: Astoria
                    Take the oil pipes, return $ 5 billion for the gas pipe, dig m1 - and transit will go.

                    I did not offer this.
                    And I can’t understand the meaning of your proposal.
                    I am a purely peaceful person. For Peace, so to speak, throughout the World and economic development.
                    Quote: Astoria
                    Look at the list of main taxpayers of Minsk

                    And -?
                  2. +1
                    28 January 2020 02: 22
                    Look at the list of main taxpayers of Minsk

                    For some reason, there is no MAZ in the list ... winked Was it closed? Or does he not pay taxes? Maybe renamed beyond recognition?
                    1. +4
                      28 January 2020 08: 51
                      Sergey Mikhailovich, read at https://news.drom.ru/68995.html. Sadly, I have to admit it as a fact:
                      Lukashenko changes MAZ leadership because the plant has been operating at a loss for five years
        3. +4
          27 January 2020 21: 32
          Quote: prosto_rgb
          At the Egyptian nuclear power plant, a delay in repayment of the loan until the year 2050.

          Where did you get this?
          On November 19, Russia and Egypt signed an intergovernmental agreement in Cairo on cooperation in the construction of the first Egyptian nuclear power plant using Russian technologies and operation. It will consist of four power units of 1200 MW each.
          The parties also signed an agreement on granting Egypt a Russian export loan for this project.
          The project will be credited for 13 years - 2016 to 2029. The Arab Republic, according to the agreement, will return Russian money for 22 years. First payment scheduled October 15, 2029[i] [/ i].
          1. -1
            27 January 2020 22: 20
            Quote: Less
            Where did you get this?

            They signed more than one contract.
            Immediately, the loan as you have written is the first one at the NPP itself, but then another intergovernmental loan is allocated, i.e. he is re-credited by the second contract and as a result the essence, as I indicated.
        4. +1
          28 January 2020 11: 35
          And all these years, debtors will be obliged to Russia for the supply of fuel and components. This is in addition to loan obligations.
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        1. +1
          27 January 2020 22: 31
          Conclusion: brother, but you wouldn’t overwhelm your mouth.
          - You aren’t brother to us.
          And what about 10, well, so do not stand less.
        2. +4
          28 January 2020 12: 14
          Quote: gnollmen
          Russia gives loans for the construction of nuclear power plants not only in Belarus. A loan to Armenia is 4% per annum, Vietnam is also 4% per annum, and Belarus 10%. Conclusion: brother, but you wouldn’t overwhelm your mouth.

          Shaw, in Belarusian mass media the loan rate for nuclear power plants has reached 10% already? But a year ago they wrote about a rate of 4,7% and also reproached Russia for it.
          In general, read Babich’s interview. The Belarusian Ministry of Foreign Affairs could not refute a single figure and not a single thesis from it.
          - But the Belarusian president also made economic claims. It was also said about the allocation of funds from “enemies” at 0,75% instead of lending to the Belarusian economy and about the issuance of a loan by Sberbank at 9%. An example of lending to a Vietnamese nuclear power plant at 3% was given, while BelAES receives a loan at 4,7%. How about this?
          (...)
          Well, and about the Vietnamese nuclear power plant - this is generally some kind of anecdotal example. The fact is that such a project simply does not exist. It was on paper, but at the request of the Vietnamese side it was closed back in 2016, never starting. Of course, the president might not have known about this, but the officials who took advantage of his good attitude towards them and suggested from the audience could not have known about it. What is behind this, I don’t know, but I’m sure that the president will figure it out.
    3. 0
      27 January 2020 20: 04
      With what cones, Butska will repay debts .... The repayment of debts was not included in the plans.
      1. -1
        27 January 2020 21: 28
        Kartoshechkai vazmets? What time is it with us.
    4. -3
      27 January 2020 20: 09
      Quote: xomaNN
      And there you see, it will be possible, like Cuba, not to repay her debts. And just "write off"

      And why not?
      If Cuba is far
  4. +5
    27 January 2020 19: 22
    Lukashenko is closer to Poroshenko in mentality. The latter did not spare the budget money, so as not to “buy” Russian gas, this one is ready to overpay so as not to buy Russian oil. True, this one hopes to "bargain" for a freebie from Putin, he was counting on a freebie from Obama and Clintonikha
  5. +3
    27 January 2020 19: 22
    Old Man, sat on his neck and hung his legs .....
  6. +16
    27 January 2020 19: 26
    Last year, Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko were unable to agree on a Union State road map for oil, gas and taxes.

    It’s not with oil, gas and other nishtyaks that the Union State begins, but with a common, unifying idea, common vector of development, and we don’t have it in Russia either, there’s nowhere for us to call Belarus a sister, so we get only the kitchen ones, self-made showdown Yes
    1. +21
      27 January 2020 20: 19
      I often think the same thing. Neither we nor you have any idea. Not even common. People built communism, there was something to go for. They were torn into space, into the future. They wanted communism to carry the whole galaxy. The idea was. The United States bears democracy around the world. They have such an idea. Europe is trying to put together a single state.
      And we? In Belarus, from the TV, you only hear: "Nezalezhnasts!" What is this? What is it with? What will she give me? And isn't she now? And if so, what benefits do I get? And what should be done to achieve it? There is no vector. There is no task. It would be "to reduce the external debt to zero" - it would be understandable. And so ...
      And in the Russian Federation, I do not see a common vector. Also "Building a strong state". And even here, on the topvar, no one can say what it is: he can stuff everyone's face, buy everyone, deceive everyone, give everyone around the apartment, or all this at once. There are private goals, but no general ones.
      1. +1
        27 January 2020 20: 48
        Properly said. I agree. good
      2. +3
        27 January 2020 22: 25
        Quote: AshiSolo
        И even here, on the topwar no one can say what it is:

        laughing laughing laughing This "even" gave it a lot. Yes Already where, where, but not on this resource. wassat
      3. 0
        28 January 2020 00: 22
        Igor, it’s necessary to remove the borders, everything is simple. And if someone snoops out something about the oligarchs here, then it just moaned, which the insidious Jews oligarchs prevented our countries from uniting. There is no need to pay attention to this.

        If someone drowns against unification, it is most likely a warrior. But how differently? I can understand why Lukashenko and his apparatus can moan and I can understand why Anglo-Saxon moans conditionally. Zmagar. Patriot of Ukraine. A normal person what to moan? It is necessary to rejoice.

        PS And count, how will the Baltic states groan, our little brothers? Hissing from Poland will go. Yes, it will be a whole symphony on the horizon. My cotton soul will go to dance.

        And somewhere Gardamir and other patriots of a high standard of living will be sad

      4. +3
        28 January 2020 12: 16
        Quote: AshiSolo
        And we? In Belarus, from the TV, you only hear: "Nezalezhnasts!" What is this? What is it with?

        And this is when Russia gives 6 billion a year and asks nothing in return, because Belarus is a sovereign state. smile
      5. -1
        28 January 2020 15: 59
        I heard tales about the "builders of communism", but did not meet the builders themselves.
  7. +5
    27 January 2020 19: 26
    Russia needs to make itself richer, and not pay for friendship.

    Lukashenko and Belarus spent the money, and now they are shouting that Europe is better, because the people live richer there.

    And we gave the money to them and they will soon become enemies to us like Ukraine, which poured even more, which costs only gas supply from 1992 to 2005 at a price of $ 50 per 1000 cubic meters, about transit, the open market of Russia, I don’t I say.
    1. +6
      27 January 2020 20: 27
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      and now they’re shouting that in Europe it’s better, because there people live richer

      Briefly about European integration - President Aliyev - "Azerbaijan is not going to join the EU, we are not expected there. We are not even included in the list of candidates and, unlike some countries of the former USSR, united in the Eastern Partnership project, we did not sign an agreement on associations ... This is not an agreement, this is an instruction that we must follow ... Why do we need this instruction? What will it give us? Is there any practical benefit? I personally did not see it "
      1. +2
        28 January 2020 12: 21
        Quote: BrTurin
        Briefly about European integration - President Aliyev - "Azerbaijan is not going to join the EU, we are not expected there.

        Bgggg ... well, Aliyev has a lively example of Turkey before his eyes. Co-founder of the Council of Europe (and a member of NATO since 1952), associate member of the EEC / EU since 1964, candidate for accession since 1999.
        So what? And nothing - And nothing has changed...
        1. 0
          28 January 2020 12: 37
          For that, honestly, it is better to have a tit in the hands "we offered the European Commission to work on a bilateral agreement, where there would be benefits for us" than - we will join the EU in 5, 10 .... 35 ... years
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    1. +3
      27 January 2020 19: 34
      Quote: kjhg
      Then the dad will begin to blackmail with the "pipe", i.e. transit of Russian oil and gas to Europe through the territory of Belarus.


      Already blackmailing the pipe.
      1. +7
        27 January 2020 19: 40
        While in words, and then he will start in practice. This is a consequence of the policy of the Russian authorities. Why Ukraine and Belarus do not blackmail Europe by blocking transit, requiring subsidies from them for themselves?
        1. +4
          27 January 2020 19: 44
          Because it is possible to grab such "subsidies" from Europe, it will not seem a little.
          1. +5
            27 January 2020 19: 50
            Quote: Kleber
            Because it is possible to grab such "subsidies" from Europe, it will not seem a little.

            Pra-a-avilo. What are we talking about. You can only behave this way with those who allow themselves to do this.
        2. 0
          28 January 2020 16: 06
          Blackmailing Europe is the second stage. Meanwhile, Russia has already pumped a billion cubic meters of gas through the Turkish Stream.
      2. -1
        27 January 2020 20: 32
        Well, there is someone to learn from. wink
    2. -4
      27 January 2020 20: 13
      Quote: kjhg
      Then what, will we yell about Belarusian nationalists on all channels?

      Bulba-Bandera is already on the way!
    3. 0
      27 January 2020 21: 14
      Then the dad will begin to blackmail with the "pipe", i.e. transit of Russian oil and gas to Europe through the territory of Belarus.
      1) Only in transit oil, the gas pipe does not belong to them.
      2) Alekperov, on behalf of Lukoil, has already stated that oil supplies to Belarus are unprofitable.

      Lukoil redirected oil volumes previously supplied to Belarus to other markets. This was reported to reporters by the president of NK Lukoil Vagit Alekperov on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos.
      The oil tycoon added that Lukoil has no plans to compensate for the loss of Belarus due to a tax maneuver in the oil industry and to resume the supply of oil to the country's refineries on favorable terms.


      So we have come to what we came to in due time with Ukraine. But couldn't this have been foreseen before? All experts and ordinary people shouted about this at the top of their voice. Where did "our" cunning planners and the "most ingenious" foreign ministers look? What work have they done with the people of Belarus? The same as with the people of Ukraine at one time, i.e. none? Then what, are we going to shout about Belarusian nationalists on all channels? We need to work with the peoples, and not with the Yanukovychs, Timoshenko and Lukashenka! It just takes evil from ... the policy of the current Russian authorities.


      In fact, the value of the Republic of Belarus has significantly decreased: bypass pipelines + ports have been built, radar stations are also + 3 three armies to the west. Well, if the mustachioed chairman of the collective farm that does not understand the existing realities, then his problem. laughing
    4. 0
      28 January 2020 11: 59
      The main mistake of the Kremlin in relations with partners is the bet on local leaders and filling them with gingerbread in order to keep them in their orbits. Over time, these leaders greyhound, and then blackmail. Arrogant Saxons are as rational as possible in this, they bring them into place and put their grown cadres, which all perform rigorously. An example is the key posts in the Baltic states, the outskirts of which are citizens of the Natav countries.
      1. +2
        28 January 2020 12: 42
        Quote: Andrey Grad
        Arrogant Saxons are as rational as possible in this, they bring them into place and put their grown cadres, which all perform rigorously. An example is the key posts in the Baltic states, the outskirts of which are citizens of the Natav countries.

        Not only. The neo-colonialists rely mainly on local cadres trained by them (in order to channel all the "popular anger" to the "bad locals"), but at the same time they always have a couple of candidates to replace these cadres in case they start out of order or try to change the owner.
        Sometimes, however, with this change, epic failures arise - as with the "pro-American" Khomeini in Iran. No, I’m serious: the Ayatollah twisted the entire Carter administration around his finger, pretending to be a moderate and pro-American politician - and the United States gave him a green path, effectively removing the Shah and sending the Deputy Commander of US Forces in Europe, General Robert Heizer, to Tehran, who banned the Iranian army in any way prevent the change of power.
        “We've always called on the military to make a deal,” Heizer said, according to a telephone recording.
        © BBC
        1. 0
          29 January 2020 11: 39
          They put local cadres at the initial stage of colonization, and later, when tough decisions are required and local ones can refuse to fulfill them, they put their own. In Latvia, the president is a German citizen, the prime minister is a SHA citizen, in defense - a citizen of small Britain, etc. d.
  9. +1
    27 January 2020 19: 32
    A freebie corrupts.
    1. -6
      27 January 2020 19: 55
      Especially when there is so much gas and oil in the land that "there is nowhere to build another gas pipeline"
  10. +1
    27 January 2020 19: 36
    As a result, you still have to pay Russia, the only question is what?
  11. +4
    27 January 2020 19: 39
    Debts of Belarus: Who to borrow "without politics"
    The authorities of the Republic of Belarus only keep silent that it is $ 100 million less than the debt obligations of Belarusians that they should pay to the Chinese in 2020.

    That's right, the Republic of Belarus only in the past 2019 had to pay $ 3,7 billion in external liabilities, with the country's external public debt of $ 16,9 billion.
    So what you want, not want request , and the new loan will be used to pay off existing obligations Yes .
    These are historical highs for Belarus in terms of the volume of external borrowings.
    1. 0
      27 January 2020 20: 15
      Quote: Terenin
      RB only in the past 2019 had to pay $ 3,7 billion in external liabilities

      Why should?
      Paid according to repayment schedule.
    2. +4
      27 January 2020 21: 05
      In fact, they do not pay - stupidly refinance. - data from their Ministry of Finance.


      Government debt as of December 1, 2019
      As of December 1, 2019, the state debt of the Republic of Belarus amounted to 43,7 billion rubles and decreased by 2019 billion rubles, or 1,7%, compared to the beginning of 3,6.

      External public debt as of December 1, 2019 amounted to 16,6 billion US dollars, having decreased by 0,3 [billion from the beginning of the year. US dollars (including exchange rate differences), or 1,8%.

      In January-November 2019, external government loans were attracted in the amount equivalent to 1 million US dollars:
      - 683,4 million US dollars - of the Government and banks of the Russian Federation;
      - 150,5 million US dollars - bonds placed on external financial markets;
      - 93,0 million US dollars - IBRD;
      - 80,8 million US dollars - Export-Import Bank of China;
      - 28,7 million US dollars - EBRD and NIB.
      - 500 (China Development Bank from 16/12/19)

      Repayment of external public debt in January-November 2019 amounted to 1 million US dollars:
      - 600,8 million US dollars - Government of the Russian Federation;
      - 448,4 million US dollars - banks of China;
      - 264,8 million US dollars - EFSD;
      - 78,6 million US dollars - IBRD;
      - $ 2,7 million - United States Commodity Credit Corporation;
      - 1,7 million US dollars - EBRD and NIB.

      As of December 1, 2019, domestic government debt amounted to 8,7 billion rubles, decreasing from the beginning of the year by 0,2 billion rubles (taking into account exchange rate differences), or by 1,8%.

      For January-November 2019, domestic currency government bonds for legal entities and individuals were placed in the amount equivalent to 771,2 million US dollars. Currency and ruble government bonds for legal entities and individuals were repaid in the amount equivalent to 601,2 million US dollars and 227,2 million rubles.

      1 +036,4 + 771,2 (China Development Bank from 500/16/12) - (19 + 1 + (397,0 byn = + - $ 601,2 million)) = +227,2 million

      Well, maybe at the end of the year there were some other payments on state debt + - this does not change anything.
  12. +3
    27 January 2020 19: 47
    Yes, now tut.by is a good supplier of material on VO, I'll take a look. Well this is "the mouthpiece of the opposition - nationalists." How so?
    1. +2
      27 January 2020 20: 05
      Quote: Romka
      Well this is "the mouthpiece of the oppositionists - nationalists." How so?

      No matter where we get the information from, it’s important how we think!
      1. +1
        27 January 2020 20: 08
        tut.by is a poison for the brain of a patriot of power. stop
        1. +2
          27 January 2020 20: 10
          Quote: Romka
          tut.by is a poison for the brain of a patriot of power. stop

          Sōgitō ergō sum! wink
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      1. 0
        27 January 2020 20: 10
        Well .... I agree. But on VO "comes" I see.
  13. +2
    27 January 2020 19: 50
    Quote: kjhg
    While in words, and then he will start in practice. This is a consequence of the policy of the Russian authorities. Why Ukraine and Belarus do not blackmail Europe by blocking transit, requiring subsidies from them for themselves?

    There immediately lead sanctions, punitive.
  14. 0
    27 January 2020 20: 11
    Pointlessly collapse, discuss .... we will see.
  15. +1
    27 January 2020 20: 28
    Yes, it’s good to take it like that, but try not to pay the mortgage, there they’ll at least tell them about the fraternity, at least we’ll sit together in the trenches, if anything, they will listen, but they’ll throw them out of the hut if you stop making contributions for the mortgage .
  16. -3
    27 January 2020 20: 38
    Quote: prosto_rgb
    Quote: kjhg
    Then what, will we yell about Belarusian nationalists on all channels?

    Bulba-Bandera is already on the way!

    No, it's Muscovites-Vlasovites nearby ...
    1. -2
      27 January 2020 22: 49
      Quote: GenNick
      Quote: prosto_rgb
      Quote: kjhg
      Then what, will we yell about Belarusian nationalists on all channels?

      Bulba-Bandera is already on the way!

      No, it's Muscovites-Vlasovites nearby ...

      So already since 1991 their flag over the Kremlin has been proudly flying ...
  17. -2
    27 January 2020 20: 39
    Quote: Dym71
    Quote: Romka
    Well this is "the mouthpiece of the oppositionists - nationalists." How so?

    No matter where we get the information from, it’s important how we think!

    In-being determines consciousness ...
  18. +3
    27 January 2020 20: 49
    Quote: Kleber
    Because it is possible to grab such "subsidies" from Europe, it will not seem a little.

    Dear Kleber, I have one question for you - what do I owe you ??? Money, territories, or maybe my wife? What did I personally ask you?
    I know that you don’t have an answer, but I’ll say that I would not like to see myself ...
    I would not want to see in my country
    A) - your miners, i.e. people from the mountains
    B) - somehow the green banner of Islam does not appeal to me
    B) - and of course, your Jews, a hundred on T / V, which is in state / corporations ...
    D) not a word about the colonels from the KGB ...
    1. -3
      27 January 2020 21: 26
      If there is no money, we will take territories, do not offer a wife (second-hand goods). laughing
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    2. 0
      28 January 2020 02: 53
      So he and I also want to ask: - But what do we owe you? Anything else I have to pay for your independence? We have enough of our B and D
    3. +1
      28 January 2020 12: 44
      Quote: GenNick
      I know that you don’t have an answer, but I’ll say that I would not like to see myself ...
      I would not want to see in my country
      A) - your miners, i.e. people from the mountains
      B) - somehow the green banner of Islam does not appeal to me
      B) - and of course, your Jews, a hundred on T / V, which is in state / corporations ...
      D) not a word about the colonels from the KGB ...

      You forgot about point D):
      D) 6 billion dollars a year from the budget of Russia.

      For picking raisins from the rolls will not succeed. Do not want to take in the kit - do not take in the kit. smile
  19. +1
    27 January 2020 20: 56
    And where did the Russian fans of Batska go ??? There were a lot of them on the site .... and almost prophesied him to the presidency of the union state ... wassat And he didn’t privatize and sell state property and save the enterprises - why is the economy supported by Russia, which has done all this? What the fuck dad, so, stepfather, a stranger uncle who does everything against his own people
  20. 0
    27 January 2020 21: 05
    Russia is not
    sixth world economy
    1. 0
      28 January 2020 16: 08
      In terms of gross domestic product, calculated at purchasing power parity, adjusted for the price level in the country's economy (or in other words, adjusted for the purchasing power of the currency), Russia is just in 6th place in the world ranking exactly after Germany and before Indonesia.
  21. +5
    27 January 2020 21: 20
    The problem is that the idea of ​​uniting the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus is not very popular among officials and youth. Young people travel to Poland and make thoughts not in favor of the Russian Federation. And officials are afraid of losing the feeding trough as a result of the merger. Former USSR citizens for unification. But Lukashenko will not go to a referendum, no matter what happens. And to be honest, Russia itself is to blame for supporting Luka in the elections and while trying to impeach him in the Supreme Council of the Republic of Belarus. But there was a period when everyone in Belarus talked about the union and waited for it. This was under Kebich, who was for the merger. But Russia relied on Lukashenko and got a headache.
    1. 0
      27 January 2020 23: 09
      Quote: YuryPVO
      But there was a period when everyone in Belarus talked about the union and waited for it.

      Yes. It was in the 90s + early 2000s.
      Until the most "textbook fly-cutlets" and + half a year later (February 2004) the cessation of gas supplies to Belarus in 30-degree frosts.
      Meanwhile, before the uryakolok arrange "khokhlov" gas "cold weather" there were still 10 years.
      Quote: YuryPVO
      This was under Kebich, who was for the merger.

      Under Kebic, but not because of him.
      Then there was such a time.
      He was not for a merger in the sense of Belarus joining the Russian Federation.
      He was for economic integration. THOSE. for the conditions of the 90s, this means continuing to work on the technological cycles / related enterprises already established and debugged during the Soviet era.
      + And lo and behold - uniform conditions for "business entities", as it is fashionable to say now.
      THOSE. the same thing that was prescribed in the Union State in 1998, and in the EAEU in 2010 and again in 2016, and once again Putin and Lukashenka "agreed" already in 2019.
      And nothing has changed.
      1. 0
        29 January 2020 09: 54
        The problem is that the idea of ​​uniting the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus is not very popular among officials and youth. Youth travels to Poland and makes thoughts not in favor of the Russian Federation


        Absolutely logical


        He was not for a merger in the sense of Belarus joining the Russian Federation.
        He was for economic integration. THOSE. for the conditions of the 90s, this means continuing to work on the technological cycles / related enterprises already established and debugged during the Soviet era.
        + And lo and behold - uniform conditions for "business entities


        You know, this Belarusian story about "equal conditions of management" is annoying.
        Where and who else have you seen such "economic integration in the presence of two states"
        Where have you seen such miracles?

        A striking example of the EU is a type of superstate, but in Greece / Spain and Germany, the economic conditions are very different. And no one will ever "align" them.
        And the standard of living is different
        But if Berlin imposed sanctions, then they are mandatory for the Greeks.
        At the same time, no one "compensates" anyone for anything.

        Belarus wants to parasitize the Russian economy and, at every opportunity, surrender Russian interests.
        That's the whole "economic integration".
  22. 0
    27 January 2020 21: 37
    Quote: xomaNN
    Spins, promises, begs for money - and, poorly, poorly often knocks money out of the Russian Federation.

    And sit on many chairs
  23. -2
    27 January 2020 21: 42
    Quote: Tolik_74
    And where did the Russian fans of Batska go ??? There were a lot of them on the site .... and almost prophesied him to the presidency of the union state ... wassat And he didn’t privatize and sell state property and save the enterprises - why is the economy supported by Russia, which has done all this? What the fuck dad, so, stepfather, a stranger uncle who does everything against his own people

    They haven’t gone anywhere - they are watching as funny as you are! lol
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    1. -2
      27 January 2020 22: 17
      You are our homegrown lawyer.
      - don’t familiarize yourself uncle and you won’t be sent for butterflies to the farm laughing

      Article 84 of the Treaty on the EAEU

      The formation of common markets for oil and petroleum products of the Union
      and providing access to natural entities
      monopolies in the field of transportation of oil and oil products

      1. Member States shall carry out the phased formation of the common markets for oil and petroleum products of the Union in accordance with Appendix N 23 to this Treaty, taking into account the transitional provisions provided for in paragraphs 6 and 7 of Article 104 of this Treaty.
      2. Member States shall develop a concept and program for the formation of common markets for oil and petroleum products of the Union, approved by the Supreme Council.
      3. Member States conclude an international agreement within the Union on the formation of common markets for oil and oil products, based on the provisions of the approved concept and program for the formation of common markets for oil and oil products of the Union.
      4. Member States, within the limits of their technical capabilities, taking into account the harmonized indicative (forecast) balance of oil of the Union, the agreed indicative (forecast) balance of oil products of the Union and on the basis of civil law agreements of economic entities ensure unhindered access of economic entities of other Member States to transportation systems petroleum and petroleum products located in the territories of Member States, on the basis of common principles, conditions and rules provided for in Appendix N 23 to this Agreement. -

      Clause 3 of Appendix 23
      3. In the formation of [b] common markets for oil and petroleum products
      Member States proceed from the following basic principles:
      1) non-use in mutual trade of quantitative restrictions and export customs duties (other duties, taxes and charges of equivalent value). The procedure for the payment of export customs duties on oil and petroleum products when exporting them outside the customs territory of the Union is determined by separate, including bilateral agreements of the Member States;
      2) priority provision of the needs of Member States in oil and petroleum products;
      3) unification of norms and standards for oil and oil products of the Member States;
      4) ensuring environmental safety;
      5) information support of the common markets of oil and oil products of the Union.

      Article 104. Treaty on the EAEU

      P6. In order to the formation of common markets for oil and petroleum products The High Council will approve the concept by January 1, 2016, and by January 1, 2018, the program for the formation of common markets for oil and petroleum products of the Union, providing a deadline for the implementation of program activities until January 1 2024 year.
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      27 January 2020 22: 02
      Ok, let's shoot each other.
      Do not write in compote, a soldier will not offend a child! laughing
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      27 January 2020 22: 01
      Already in Ukraine they tried to take territories, suckers.

      Suckers gave, fasten abroad will help you. tongue
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      27 January 2020 22: 22
      Well, as Alexander Grigoryevich said in a pose, you should not get used to getting up laughing

      Zelensky also spoke of his country -
      as an actress from an adult film, she is ready to accept in any quantity and from any side.
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  29. +4
    27 January 2020 22: 01
    Quote: Anatol Klim
    pennies, and pennies again nyam, well, where is this effective

    And you ask Ingvar he knows.
  30. +6
    27 January 2020 22: 02
    Quote: gnollmen
    Quote: Astoria
    If there is no money, we will take territories, do not offer a wife (second-hand goods). laughing

    Already in Ukraine they tried to take territories, suckers.

    Why are you rude?
    1. +5
      27 January 2020 22: 40
      Quote: Terenin
      Why

      Gennady hi let it go - it will fall off by itself. Yes
      Looks like it was disheartening: it has already entered into controversy with itself. fellow wassat
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        28 January 2020 09: 42
        Quote: Paranoid50
        Quote: Terenin
        Why

        Gennady hi let it go - it will fall off by itself. Yes
        Looks like it was disheartening: it has already entered into controversy with itself. fellow wassat

        Indeed - carriage, and polemics, it is difficult to call.
        Greetings, Alexander hi
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      27 January 2020 22: 29
      Who can you offend? Running from the Americans across Syria.

      I’m a peaceful person, and I’m already aged, but I’ve mastered a couple of bloggers laughing
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  34. +1
    27 January 2020 22: 16
    Quote: maden.usmanow
    Russia is not
    sixth world economy

    At purchasing power parity is.
    In general, we need to immediately deal with import substitution of Belarusian defense industry products. In order not to step on a rake like Ukraine.
  35. 0
    27 January 2020 22: 56
    From where, such figures as in the article, give the layout, I’m most interested - I know how working in the energy sector - that the value of duty-free oil is 2 billion $ / year from the world price, and most of the oil products at preferential prices are delivered back to the oil owners (refinery operation scheme on tolling raw materials), the value of the gas discount at the moment is $ 50 / year / 1000 cubic meters - with consumption of 10 billion cubic meters = 500 million / year, the rest is commercial loans at nuclear power plants (which was given on the condition that we would buy equipment in the Russian Federation (linked loan scheme) and intergovernmental on various lines (the last in 2016) - which our Ministry of Finance is carefully repaying. Where are the other subsidies mentioned in the article?
    1. -1
      28 January 2020 10: 31
      Yes, this is not interesting to anyone here, they consider the loss of their budget as the difference between the world oil price and the prices for the Republic of Belarus, and they do not understand that at the world price no one would buy the volumes that are happening now. And the loans that they return with interest are called subsidies. And so on in the rest.
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        28 January 2020 17: 53
        The fact is that this is not a budget loss - oil is private, mainly Russian oil companies are returned with oil products - so it is profitable for Russian TNCs to import oil to the Republic of Belarus at reduced prices - they will receive it back at reduced prices (of course, minus the refining price) and put it on the Druzhba pipeline wherever they want. Roughly speaking, 20 million tons of oil are imported into the Republic of Belarus, 6 remains for the domestic market, the Republic of Belarus has the right to supply oil products made from 1,6 million tons to the external market (the amount is equal to Belarusian oil production). Although, to be honest, knowing the AHL, it may muddy it somewhere (for example, overstating domestic consumption, the difference also gives for export), but the fact is that the main profit from oil refining goes to Russian TNCs.
      2. +1
        28 January 2020 23: 41
        January 28, 2020 at 18:17
        interfax.by

        In January, Transneft redistributed oil that could be delivered to Belarusian refineries, including ports, the company's head Nikolai Tokarev told Interfax.

        He noted that while there are no applications for pumping oil in February to Belarusian refineries.

        “We had no problems. Redirected, including to ports. This is a common practice. We talked about this, that this will not be a big problem for us. So far there have been no applications for February. But if they agree with Safmar, then we will pump it, ”he said.
        Read more: https://news.tut.by/economics/670455.html


        and they don’t understand that at the world price no one would buy the volumes that are happening now.


        The squad did not notice the loss of a fighter! laughing
        1. +1
          29 January 2020 09: 39
          Transneft in January redistributed oil that could be delivered to Belarusian refineries, including to ports


          Yes, all of a sudden ... they’ve already pooled, pooled
  36. +3
    27 January 2020 22: 58
    = At the same time, the Belarusian leader insisted: energy prices for his country should be at the level of domestic Russian ("as in the Smolensk region"). =
    In this whole story with the creation of the union state, much is not clear to me. As they say - vague doubts torment me.
    For some reason, I can’t believe that Luke, just like that, from scratch, made such demands. Everything is illogical somehow. I also know that zhurnalyugi do not say everything. Because they themselves do not really know anything.
    But if he makes such demands, then he probably has some reason for that. I’m not talking about a stupid statement by a journalist about a negative balance of 9 lards in trade with Russia. There is something here. Which journalists are not aware of, and Luke does not speak in plain text. All that Luke says on the air is fog, this is an encryption that only the Darkest understands. I do not believe that Luke does not understand that even though Russia is an altruist, in relation to Belarus, but not to the same extent. We do not know the true relationship.
    Therefore, I cannot "roll a barrel" either on Lukashenka or on Putin.
    I know only one thing - our peoples must live together.
    1. -1
      28 January 2020 00: 20
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      = At the same time, the Belarusian leader insisted: energy prices for his country should be at the level of domestic Russian ("as in the Smolensk region"). =
      In this whole story with the creation of the union state, much is not clear to me. As they say - vague doubts torment me.
      For some reason, I can’t believe that Luke, just like that, from scratch, made such demands. Everything is illogical somehow. I also know that zhurnalyugi do not say everything. Because they themselves do not really know anything.
      But if he makes such demands, then he probably has some reason for that. I’m not talking about a stupid statement by a journalist about a negative balance of 9 lards in trade with Russia. There is something here. Which journalists are not aware of, and Luke does not speak in plain text. All that Luke says on the air is fog, this is an encryption that only the Darkest understands. I do not believe that Luke does not understand that even though Russia is an altruist, in relation to Belarus, but not to the same extent. We do not know the true relationship.
      Therefore, I cannot "roll a barrel" either on Lukashenka or on Putin.
      I know only one thing - our peoples must live together.

      You amazingly accurately described what is happening.
    2. +2
      29 January 2020 09: 38
      : energy prices for his country should be at the level of domestic Russian ("as in the Smolensk region"). =
      In this whole story with the creation of the union state, much is not clear to me. As they say - vague doubts torment me.
      For some reason, I can’t believe that Luke, just like that, from scratch, made such demands. Everything is illogical somehow.


      And nothing illogical - he completely "lost the shores." request
  37. +1
    27 January 2020 23: 06
    We look at what China will do with the Old Man.
  38. 0
    27 January 2020 23: 23
    To stay "in trend", Lukashenko can put Belarus on big debts, and the debtor state will automatically become a "EU member" (as an option).
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      28 January 2020 10: 10
      Quote: gnollmen
      The global energy market is great,

      Quote: gnollmen
      1. Member States are phasing in common oil markets

      Is the formation of "common oil markets" finished yet? - No!!! Because -
      Quote: gnollmen

      P6. In order to form common markets for petroleum and petroleum products, the High Council will approve the concept by January 1, 2016, and by January 1, 2018, a program for the formation of common markets for petroleum and petroleum products of the Union, stipulating a deadline for the implementation of program activities until January 1, 2024.

      Therefore, until January 1, 2024, the price of oil must be market! What are your complaints?
      Have you noticed this? -
      Quote: gnollmen

      1) non-use in mutual trade of quantitative restrictions and export customs duties (other duties, taxes and charges of equivalent value). The procedure for the payment of export customs duties on oil and petroleum products when exporting them outside the customs territory of the Union is determined by separate, including bilateral agreements of the Member States;

      Is there such an agreement between Russia and Belarus? - No!!! Why? But father does not want! Why? Yes, because, in the event of the conclusion of such an agreement, the father’s freebie will end!
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  46. +2
    28 January 2020 01: 04
    Father, it would be more modest. Somehow these requirements are not fraternal.
    But it is better to recall a later time - the Russian embargo on the supply of motor fuel to Ukraine. Minsk was then very fussed about and secured fuel supplies for warring Kiev from its refineries, which processed preferential oil from Russia for fuel.
    Yes, and on their actions, in relation to unnecessary it would be necessary to reconsider. And there you look, and "the hut will turn towards you."
    At the same time, I have nothing against the brothers Belarusians !!! drinks
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  51. 0
    28 January 2020 04: 43
    The creation of a union state is de facto stalled due to the ambitions of two people. I don't think it's worth introducing them. And we are all just losers in this situation.
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    28 January 2020 07: 01
    Why is everyone worried about government debt? The main thing is to know where the money went. If it goes into the economy, that’s one thing, but if it’s devoured... With us, it’s clear where it goes, but with them? Is the old man holding them tightly by the balls or is it the same bullshit as here?
    1. +2
      29 January 2020 09: 36
      Why is everyone worried about government debt?


      It seems that Belarusians have huge problems with its maintenance.
      Main budget item.

      The main thing is to know where the money went. If the economy is one thing,


      For the most part, yes, to the economy.
      (not counting various presidential funds and other pranks)

      But the economy is unprofitable. Fundamentally unprofitable
  54. +4
    28 January 2020 08: 26
    I read a little here (or rather, everything). How much bile on both sides. On my own behalf, unification is possible if there are common goals (good or bad, it doesn’t matter), but today I don’t see this in our two countries. And that’s why it’s not worth shaking the air about this topic. I can understand dad that he is trying for his people by reselling shrimp from the Belarusian Sea, or selling petroleum products to Ukraine, etc., thereby tripping up Russia. I can’t accept this, but I can’t understand it. Well then, there’s nothing to be surprised when they do the same to you. As for the fact that the Russian Federation concludes more profitable agreements with enemies and not with friends, everything is much clearer in relations there, unlike the Republic of Belarus. An enemy is an enemy, and unlike a friend, he does not shout that he was insulted, but pays for the contracts that he concluded. By the way, they didn’t break daddy’s hands either when he signed contracts that didn’t suit him. Well, in conclusion: There is no need to be afraid of the enemy, unlike a friend, HE WILL NOT BETRAY.
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    +1
    28 January 2020 09: 19
    In order for political integration with the Republic of Belarus to have at least some prospects, Russia needs de facto control in the economic and military fields (controlling stakes in the largest enterprises and military bases - from which But Father shies away like the devil from incense). In reality, money from Russian preferences ended up in the state budget of the Republic of Belarus. With the existing status quo, all the talk about “prospects” and Father’s “ungratefulness” is the usual blah blah blah
    1. +1
      29 January 2020 09: 35
      In order for political integration with the Republic of Belarus to have at least some prospects, Russia needs de facto control in the economic and military fields
      which makes Father shy away like the devil from incense)


      Exactly! But that was "yesterday"

      With the existing status quo, all the talk about “prospects” and Father’s “ungratefulness” is the usual blah blah blah


      No, they decided to destroy the status quo
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  64. 0
    28 January 2020 13: 49
    Everything has been said a long time ago: Russia has only three allies: the army, navy and air force.
    1. 0
      28 January 2020 22: 19
      And not only gas and oil, no matter how ironic it sounds
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      28 January 2020 22: 36
      Quote: Uncle Izya
      Is Luka really not able to cover up these false media?

      Maybe. Just laziness.
      1. +2
        29 January 2020 09: 33
        Maybe. Just laziness.


        It is absolutely certain that he does not want to cover them up.
        Is it possible? And this is already a big question today - the leader’s authority is rapidly falling.
        Power is slipping out of your hands. request
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          29 January 2020 19: 25
          Let him live without cheap gas and oil, maybe build fewer unnecessary ice palaces

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