How Westerplatte held the defense


Does Major Sukhara deserve honors?



The question of command on Westerplatte and the unshakable heroic will of Major Sukharsky seemed indisputable from the very end of World War II. Sixty years later, it suddenly ceased to be so unambiguous, as the picture of the defense of the military transit warehouse on Westerplat from September 2 to 7, 1939 appeared, completely opposite to the one that Polish students study in the classroom stories!

Streets, schools and pioneer squads are named after Major Sukharsky. His image, among others, appeared on the anniversary coin and postage stamp. A merchant ship is named after him. But does Major Henry Sukharsky really deserve these honors? Who should be praised for making Westerplatte such a famous name in Polish history?

Second Lieutenant Zdzislaw Krengelsky, in 1939 the commandant of the outpost Pier, describes his commander:

Major Sukharsky (...) did not possess extensive military knowledge. Yes, as a commandant, he did not need them. On military matters he had a deputy - captain Dombrowski. Major Sukharsky himself was not interested in military issues, but he was very fond of discussing politics and imposing his views on his subordinates. He did not respect anyone's convictions and forced subordinates to adopt even their own lifestyle. His presence at general meetings, as a rule, created a difficult atmosphere. In relation to the authorities - submissive to subservience and toadness. Vain in relation to his official position and the value of his own person. The post of commandant Westerplatte brought great material benefits, which easily filled the two savings books of Bank PKO for 10.000 zlotys each. It was a type of money-grubber. (...)

Such an episode testifies to his attitude to people: during an aggravation of the situation, an order came to not leave the territory of Westerplatte. In this regard, Captain Dombrowski suggested that Lieutenant Grodetsky, reserve officer and adjutant of the commandant, dine with us. Major Sukharsky resolutely opposed this, believing that a joint dinner with Lieutenant Grodetsky would discredit his honor. It seems that the beginning of the war crossed out many of his plans. All that he saved was gone. Not quite military, to command, he only wanted to demonstrate diligence and hold out for twelve hours. Therefore, after the air raid on the second day of fighting with him, the first of the garrison suffered a nervous breakdown. From that moment he ceased to exist as a commander.


So, the day came on September 1, 1939. At 4:45, the battleship Schleswig-Holstein opened fire on the Polish garrison of Westerplatte. Thanks to the excellent training under the leadership of Captain Franciszcz Dombrowski, deputy commandant of Westerplatte and the commander of his security team, 220-230 Polish defenders were not at a loss, and 2-3 minutes after the first explosions took up their military posts. Before the war, captain Dombrowski, a specialist machine gunner, paid great attention to the location of firing points in the defense system of the military transit warehouse, which played a key role in the days of dramatic battles for Westerplatte.

The message sent in plain text was sent to the air: \

Help, we were attacked!

The first one to receive the message was apparently the senior sailor Zdzislaw Pekhotsky, the radio telegraph operator of the submarine Zhbik.

On this day, the Polish soldiers repelled two assaults, inflicting heavy losses on the enemy (they themselves lost four soldiers).

The next day passed in skirmishes with German patrols. In the evening, a lull came, and it seemed that the second day of the battle would end. However, shortly after 18:00 p.m. two squadrons of the Junkers U-87 appeared over Westerplatte, and within half an hour in two raids they dropped 8 bombs of 500 kg, 50 bombs of 250 kg and 200 bombs of 50 kg each (for a total of 26,5 , 5 tons). The bombing effect was overwhelming. Barracks and posts literally "floated" from the explosions of bombs. Post number XNUMX was destroyed along with the entire team with a direct bomb hit. Two bombs hit the barracks. All four new mortars were destroyed at the positions where they were thrown by soldiers who fled to the barracks. The telephone connection between the posts was broken. The soldiers began to show signs of panic. Teams of outposts "Elektrovnya" and "Fort" arbitrarily left their positions. After a raid by German dive bombers, a hundred-meter column of heavy smoke and dust rose over Westerplatte, because of which nothing could be seen. The Germans decided that no one survived on Westerplatte.

Meanwhile, Major Sukharsky was in a state of severe shock in the barracks. Cried over the death of his orderly, Private Józef Kita, who died at the post of number 5. Being shocked by the raid of the “Lapporteurs”, he ordered to burn secret documents and cryptographic books (statutory procedure before surrender). But I didn’t follow the exact execution of the order, as a result of which the journal of encrypted messages and the code of Polish signals fleet after surrender, Westerplatte fell into the hands of the Germans. This led to the fact that the Germans began to intercept all the messages of the ships of the Polish Navy and ground units that defended Oksyva and the Hel Peninsula.

In this regard, it is worth mentioning that Sergeant Casimir Rasinsky, a radio telegraph of a military transit warehouse, was not shot by the Gestapo (according to the official version), but was transferred to the Kriegsmarine radio interception center in Brewsterort. Collaborated voluntarily or was he forced to? From the German archival data it follows that he proposed cooperation himself!

How Westerplatte held the defense

At the end of the battles for Westerplatte, General Friedrich Eberhardt salutes Major Heinrich Sucharski. But did he deserve it? ..

It seemed that the surrender of the military transit warehouse was only a matter of minutes. Sukharsky invited Dombrowski to capitulate. But the indignant Dombrowski pointed out to him that shooting from posts and other positions was heard in the distance:

- Listen, people are fighting! He said to the major.

He just muttered:

“That makes no sense.” We followed the order.

Until his final surrender, he hid from his deputy important information: the date of the expected German attack and that no one would come to the aid of Westerplatte. Information came on the eve of the war from Lt. Col. Vincent Sobochinsky, Plenipotentiary Commissioner of the Republic of Poland in Danzig. Why did Sukharsky keep this a secret, exposing his soldiers to unnecessary risk? Why didn’t he share information with his deputy, which would be completely natural?

White flag


Sukharsky ordered a white flag to be hung out by Corporal Jan Gembura. He lifted either a white sheet or a tablecloth over the roof of the barracks. On the Schleswig-Holstein battleship, observers spotted a white flag among the puffs of smoke and the assault company received a message from the ship: “Nicht schißen, warte, weiße Flagge auf Westerplatte” (“Do not shoot, wait, the white flag is over Westerplatte”).

The Germans were waiting for confirmation from their observers, but meanwhile Captain Dombrowski found out about the white flag above the barracks. Enraged, he ordered the soldier he met to rip him off immediately. And the next minute there was no more white flag over Westerplatte.

The major, who had thought of surrendering as early as 12 hours after the outbreak of war, also became furious with the news of the torn flag and fell into a state of severe shock. He had a seizure of epilepsy - he was shaking and wheezing, and foam appeared on his lips. The major’s arms and legs began to make some arbitrary movements, after which he lost consciousness. By order of Dombrowski, Lieutenant Stefan Grodecki brought in a doctor, captain Mechislav Weak. Together they laid Sukharsky in a bunk and tied with straps. The major received a calming injection, and the seizure gradually disappeared. The officers, on the orders of Dombrowski, vowed that they would not reveal to the Westerplatte team the facts that Sukharsky wanted to hand over to Westerplatte, that he could not stand the mental stress and ceased to be a commander. The soldiers weren't supposed to find out about anything. This would only aggravate the chaos and undermine the possibility of further defense. Nothing indicated that the commandant of the military transit warehouse was forced to surrender to Westerplatte. But shock and a nervous breakdown completely removed him from further defense command.

Dombrowski nicknamed Cuba


It is worth mentioning that after the raid on Westerplatte there were more strange events, as evidenced by the graves of Polish soldiers found by the Germans. There are stories of some kind of riot among soldiers on Westerplatte on the Internet. Will this mystery ever come to light? Still alive are people who know the answer to this question.

The soldiers respected captain Dombrowski, who was nicknamed Cuba. After a nervous breakdown of the commandant of Cuba, as the most senior officer in the rank, he took command and quickly restored the defense. Instead of broken post number 5, he organized two new posts and forbade the soldiers to move around Westerplatte, which should have made it difficult for German observers to reconnoiter Polish positions from the battleship and from the other side of the port canal. Dombrowski ordered to report the loss of life to the dead and wounded. There were 10 of them, which is not so much for a garrison of 220-230 people. Westerplatte had something to fight - stocks weapons and food would last for several weeks.

Dombrowski didn’t take command over himself in order to gain fame and honors in the future, which, by the way, he never asked for after the war; he also did not identify with heroism. He simply believed that the resistance should be continued while there were such opportunities, because the surrender of Westerplatte would be a painful blow for all Poles, whom the words of the front-line reports “Westerplatte continues to defend” gave hope and raised to fight against the Nazi invaders.

Sukharsky "tired"


So, Sukharsky was locked in the basement under the supervision of Grodetsky. Later, when he was allowed to be at the command post, he made the impression of being absent.

Since September 5, the major began wandering around the barracks and pushing the non-commissioned officers there to persuade Dombrowski to surrender. By then, Sukharsky was already so upset mentally that he was a miserable sight. He did not believe in the possibility of continuing the defense, cried in front of ordinary soldiers and, apparently, did not take any part in the command of the defense of Westerplatte.

Cuba faced a difficult task. On the one hand, he had to continue to command the defense, and on the other hand, it was necessary to keep the major from contact with the soldiers so that they would not know that their commander did not see the point in further resistance. I constantly had to call my boss to order, not being afraid to resort to strong words: “Damn it, pull yourself together, people are looking at you!” Or: “Genek, if you show yourself again among the soldiers, I'll lock you up!”

Lieutenant Grodetsky, trying to bring the major to his senses and restore his dignity, pointed to the Virtuti Militari order on the chest of Sukharsky and asked: "Mr. Major, does this oblige you to anything?"

But Sukharsky only wailed: “I can no longer! I can’t take it anymore! ”Or wandered around with an absent gaze and muttered:“ What will happen? ” What will happen?"

Dombrowski, being a disciplined officer, did not lock Sukharsky, because he did not want confusion among the soldiers. Until the end of the defense, he created the appearance that the major commands his subordinates. When liaisons with reports for the major ran from the posts, then, as a rule, he was "tired" or "resting." The reports were received by Dombrowski himself. He issued orders and instructions. Thanks to him, the defense was organized. Westerplatte continued to hold the defense.

Quotations are borrowed from the following sources:
M. Borowiak, Westerplatte: W obronie prawdy. Gdański Dom Wydawniczy, 2001.
FO Busch et al, Unsere Kriegsmarine im Polnischen Feldzug. F. Schneider, 1940.
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nac.gov.pl, polskifilm.ru
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  1. Vladimir_2U 28 January 2020 06: 36 New
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    A bit strange article, but the author is from the USA, so nothing. According to the event, there are legends, but there are myths, and this defense is more a myth than a legend, in my opinion, the words fit well with it: "The bravest of the bravest were led by the meanest of the meanest" (I can not vouch for the accuracy of the phrase).
    1. WILL 28 January 2020 06: 48 New
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      Vladimir hiif there is no history, then you need to invent it! A hero with a white flag ... however. laughing
    2. Same lech 28 January 2020 06: 53 New
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      According to good Sukharsky, it was necessary to shoot soldiers in front of the ranks for trying to surrender the fortress to the enemy ... what a contrast compared to the commanders of the Red Army of the Brest Fortress.
      1. Pavel57 28 January 2020 08: 12 New
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        The Germans took the Brest Fortress twice. So the contrast was in comparing the first and second times (Polish units and the Red Army).
        1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 08: 43 New
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          Pavel57 (Gf)
          The Germans took the Brest Fortress twice. So the contrast was in comparing the first and second times (Polish units and the Red Army).
          WWII is generally a war of contrasts. Illustrative comparisons of the defense of Sevastopol by our (8 months) and Germans (5 days). Or let's say the German offensive in Belarus in 1941 and the defeat of Army Group Center in Operation Bagration in 1944.
          1. Petrik66 29 January 2020 10: 23 New
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            I would not compare Belarus. Operation Bagration is only a brilliant end to a series of operations that have been carried out since winter 44 and ended unsuccessfully for us.
            1. 210ox 31 January 2020 13: 59 New
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              Ten Stalin Beats, unsuccessful for us ?! Smoke a training manual!
      2. thinker 28 January 2020 08: 32 New
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        “Cities are being sold by soldiers. The generals take them "
        ... the garrison commander Henrik Sukharsky decided to surrender. Deputy Frantisek Dombrowski removed him from command and assumed control of the garrison. Legionnaire Jan Gembur, who hung out a white flag by order of the commander, was shot, and the flag was cleared.

        https://topwar.ru/31633-nachalo-vtoroy-mirovoy-vesterplatte.html
    3. The leader of the Redskins 28 January 2020 08: 12 New
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      Even a film has been shot about this side of Westerplatte defense. Somewhere recently .... "The Secret of Westerplatte", if not mistaken. There, all this is shown almost with documentary accuracy.
      But there was a feat. Maybe a little embellished, but the soldiers held on. Under bombs and shells ...
      But such "investigations" are a dime a dozen - as it turns out, Gastello didn’t personally go into ramming the columns, and there weren’t 28 Panfilov’s, and if you read the characteristics, the same Marinesco was a discipline violator ...
      But there were feats! Let it be embellished, retouched ... It was only there, on the battlefield, to the fighters, not before the historians wrote about them!
      1. Vladimir_2U 28 January 2020 08: 16 New
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        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        "The bravest of the brave were led by the meanest of the meanest"
        So Poland, as she knew how, fought back, while her leadership, in bushes Romania.
      2. ccsr 28 January 2020 13: 16 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        But there was a feat. Maybe a little embellished, but the soldiers held on. Under bombs and shells ...

        Quite right - even embellished, but people tried to resist, even though the garrison had no chance of 230 people.
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        But such "investigations" are a dime a dozen - as it turns out, Gastello didn’t personally go to the ramming of the column, and 28 Panfilov’s

        Indeed, such "disclosures" are a dime a dozen, and in our country too. In no case do I want to exaggerate the role of the Poles in that war, but at least one of them fulfilled his duty to the country during the attack. By the way, almost the same picture was during the occupation of the Czech Republic, there, too, only one unit offered resistance.
      3. Doctor Evil 28 January 2020 14: 04 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Even a film has been shot about this side of Westerplatte defense. Somewhere recently .... "The Secret of Westerplatte", if not mistaken. There, all this is shown almost with documentary accuracy.
        But there was a feat. Maybe a little embellished, but the soldiers held on. Under bombs and shells ...

        There are two films. The black and white Westerplatte of 1967. Very fit. And The Secret of Westerplatte 2013.
      4. maidan.izrailovich 3 February 2020 16: 00 New
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        Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius)
        Even a film was shot about this side of Westerplatte defense

        There is nothing to argue against such a “weighty argument”. lol
        But there was a feat.

        Judging by the photo, the “hero” performed the “feat” in the household room. Clean and smooth. So look after the battle is really a "feat". crying
    4. Former naval person 28 January 2020 11: 53 New
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      Not from the United States, but from Canada. we are an independent, sovereign country!
      1. ccsr 28 January 2020 13: 17 New
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        Quote: Former Naval Person
        Not from the United States, but from Canada. we are an independent, sovereign country!

        Is it a joke, or do you still believe it there?
        1. Former naval person 28 January 2020 17: 15 New
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          I would answer you, but the regulation prohibits going over to personalities and cursing.
          1. ccsr 28 January 2020 19: 20 New
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            Quote: Former Naval Person
            I would answer you

            So you do not believe.
            Well, you will swear at the Canadian Chinese when they bring you a new coronavirus. Save the war fuse for them ...
            1. Former naval person 28 January 2020 21: 00 New
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              I will answer only on the merits of the article. and with holivars go to the garden, sir.
      2. Mityay65 28 January 2020 17: 06 New
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        Quote: Former Naval Person
        we are an independent, sovereign country

        Your head of state is a sweet old woman from London. You are a colony of Great Britain in the status of an autonomous dominion. Freedom to Quebec!
        1. Former naval person 28 January 2020 21: 01 New
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          my friend, when did you get out of the gymnasium for being poor at school? along the way - until 1967. it hurts you geographical knowledge of the second freshness.
          1. Mityay65 31 January 2020 04: 14 New
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            Change the avatar. Stalin is not for you.
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  2. rocket757 28 January 2020 06: 47 New
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    This is their business. That's not interesting.
    1. bessmertniy 28 January 2020 08: 09 New
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      Let the Poles in their history pick themselves. what We should not rack our brains on this. Moreover, Wasterplatte is still a heroic page of the Poles who rebuffed the German attack.
      1. rocket757 28 January 2020 09: 07 New
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        Quote: bessmertniy
        Let the Poles in their history themselves

        He wrote about the same thing .... doesn’t anyone like it ??? is that amazing?
        Someone's stupidity does not give in to a reasonable understanding!
        1. Former naval person 28 January 2020 17: 17 New
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          why are the Poles poking around in our history? and even elevate it to the rank of state historical policy.
          1. rocket757 28 January 2020 18: 55 New
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            Quote: Former Naval Person
            why are the Poles poking around in our history? and even elevate it to the rank of state historical policy.

            This is OUR fault! They spread the "Marlezon ballet" around the great past of our country, OUR PEOPLE ..... to the delight of all sorts of goats for radishes.
            Until we put things in order on our own, they will, will, their vile little hands pull to the blessed memory of our ancestors.
            Yes, still IMPORTANT! Where did we get the boy Kolya from Urengoy ??? This will be our problem in a very distant time !!!
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  4. Amateur 28 January 2020 07: 09 New
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    This led to the fact that the Germans began to intercept all ship messages polish navy and land units protecting Oksyva and Hel Peninsula.

    And without this, the Polish Navy would certainly have sunk the entire Kriegsmarine. But not fate. And the destroyer Bliskavits became the main striking force of the Royal Navy. lol
  5. GKS 2111 28 January 2020 07: 22 New
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    Good heroes .. Shoot, but surrendered ..
    Massive bombardment had a profound psychological impact on the besieged. A riot broke out among the personnel, which was crushed in the most severe way. Four servicemen were shot near the power station and the post of the same name.
    All of them are Westerplatte to our Pavlov House in Stalingrad is not suited to the point ..
    1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 08: 32 New
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      GKS 2111
      All of them are Westerplatte to our Pavlov House in Stalingrad is not suited to the point ..
      I’ll tell you more, Pavlov’s house was defended for 58 days and the Germans never took it, and all of Poland defended for only 36 days. So the whole defense of Poland is not suitable for Pavlov’s house. This is not to mention the defense of the Brest Fortress or the defense of Sevastopol, this is where truly heroism appeared!
      1. Alexey RA 28 January 2020 13: 05 New
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        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        I’ll tell you more, Pavlov’s house was defended for 58 days and the Germans never took it, and all of Poland defended for only 36 days. So the entire defense of Poland is not suitable for Pavlov’s house.

        You know, it's better not to raise this topic. And then you can remember - at what lines was the Wehrmacht 36 days after the start of our war. And compare with the size of Poland. Let me remind you that already on July 12, 1941, the 4th TGr passed the entire PribVO and reached the foreground of the Luga defense region (the border of the Plyussa River). And on July 16, 1941, the 2nd TGr passed the entire ZOV and occupied the northern part of Smolensk.
        And you can also recall - at what distance from the USSR border was the same "Pavlov's House".
        1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 13: 40 New
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          Alexey RA (Alexey)
          You know, it's better not to raise this topic. And then you can remember - at what lines was the Wehrmacht 36 days after the start of our war.
          What are you? Or, then, remember what lines the Red Army found itself in at the same time, during Operation Bagration? What do you all stress on the pace of advancement of the Germans in 1941? Or are you not aware that the Red Army did not have time to concentrate or do not know the reasons why it did not?
          And compare with the size of Poland.
          What is wrong with Poland’s size? Then remember the size of Germany itself, and at the same time remember the size of France.
          And on July 16, 1941, the 2nd TGr passed the entire ZOV and occupied the northern part of Smolensk.
          But you will not name the name of the general, thanks to whom such rates of advancement became possible?
          And you can also recall - at what distance from the USSR border was the same "Pavlov's House".
          And at what distance from the Pavlov’s house was the Reich Chancellery and the Reichstag?
          1. Alexey RA 28 January 2020 15: 36 New
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            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            What do you all stress on the pace of advancement of the Germans in 1941? Or are you not aware that the Red Army did not have time to concentrate or do not know the reasons why it did not?

            Because I take comparable periods of war - specifically, the initial period. When both armies (Polish and ours) were in approximately comparable conditions.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            What is wrong with Poland’s size? Then remember the size of Germany itself, and at the same time remember the size of France.

            Yes, because I recall that the Poles could not half a year retreat by almost 1000 km, exchanging territories for a while - and at the same time also leave behind most of the industry. Therefore, they resisted only 36 days - the territory is over.
            For the same time, we gave the Germans a territory in several Poland, but we still had every opportunity to continue the resistance ..
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            But you will not name the name of the general, thanks to whom such rates of advancement became possible?

            Yes Yes Yes... the tale of how one general ruined the whole army.
            And he was in the Baltic states too? Or in Ukraine?
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            And at what distance from the Pavlov’s house was the Reich Chancellery and the Reichstag?

            To which we walked from Pavlov’s house for another two and a half years.
            1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 15: 48 New
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              Alexey RA (Alexey)
              Because I take comparable periods of war - specifically, the initial period.
              Yes? But the Wehrmacht of the 39th model is not comparable at all with the Wehrmacht of the 41st model. Only Germany fought against Poland, and practically ALL Europe against the USSR.
              Well, God bless her with Poland, but what was wrong with France? Also nowhere to retreat? So France, if desired, could roll Germany back in 1938, but somehow it didn’t work out.
            2. strannik1985 29 January 2020 15: 13 New
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              Because I take comparable periods of war - specifically, the initial period of war

              Hypothetically, the Poles had other opportunities - to form mobile associations similar in capabilities to German motorized and tank divisions, to conduct a covert deployment of the army under the guise of accepting new states (as the Germans did) or the BUS (thanks to graters for the Danzig corridor from 1938), to participate ( let them be fiction themselves) in the Moscow talks in the summer of 1939. Try to at least somehow agree with the USSR (there was already an example of how the French relate to their allied obligations, they themselves participated in the Czechoslovak section). Woe to the vanquished.
              1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 30 January 2020 09: 14 New
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                No, it was too late to come to an agreement with ours - the Poles had to do this before, and the Anglo-Saxons with the French - well, at least until July / August 1939, and a couple of years earlier by the joint efforts we could roll the Wehrmacht without any special losses into a cake! And there would be no second world war, as a fact of history ...
        2. malyvalv 29 January 2020 12: 26 New
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          In fact, these sizes played a bad joke with us. According to historian Isaev, the main reason for the defeats of the Red Army in 41m is the inability to deploy a sufficient number of troops at once. And the Germans beat ours in parts. Each subsequent deployment phase was inferior to the Germans in number and technique. If the territory was more compact, there might not have been such a cruel defeat.
          1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 30 January 2020 09: 16 New
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            Without a heavy defeat of 1941, there would be no great Victory of 1945!
            1. ccsr 30 January 2020 11: 28 New
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              Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
              Without a heavy defeat of 1941, there would be no great Victory of 1945!

              This is not at all interconnected. On the contrary, if on June 22 we had met the Germans in the trenches according to the cover plan, and carried out all the measures for the dispersal of troops, then believe the war would have ended before May 1945. The organized actions of the fleet, which made it possible to avoid losses on the first day of the war, prove this best of all.
              1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 30 January 2020 12: 08 New
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                I agree, I support! All is correct !!! By the way, in the past, and in disputes with stubborn retirement Stalinists, I have always cited the example of both of our fleets that met the attack without losses, correctly, correctly, and repelled Luftwaffe raids.
        3. victor50 30 January 2020 14: 33 New
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          Quote: Alexey RA
          You know, it's better not to raise this topic. And then you can remember - at what lines was the Wehrmacht 36 days after the start of our war

          Well, then winter, of course! And as the Germans were unlucky from the territories and with the weather. lol And ours, of course, did not know what size of territory they settled in! request Well, they ran to the points you indicated, and so what ?! And then there was May 45 and Berlin!
          And to pour contempt upon the Poles - "they shot and surrendered" - is also worthless. How many of ours in the early days of the war also surrendered, sometimes without firing a shot. And in the Brest Fortress, many were captured.
          Although, of course, the tenacity of our soldiers, there is nothing to compare self-sacrifice with. And if the Poles had a leader like Stalin, and not those who left for Romania, perhaps they would have lasted longer. Although, of course, in general, they had no chance.
      2. Avior 28 January 2020 15: 12 New
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        All the time of the defense of Pavlov’s house (from September 23 to November 25, 1942), civilians were in the basement until Soviet troops launched a counterattack.

        Of the 31 defenders of the Pavlov’s house, three died - lieutenant-mortar gunner A.N. Chernyshenko, sergeant I. Ya. Khait and private I.T. Svirin.

        For months 2
        this is on wikipedia
        The losses of Westerplatte defenders amounted to 16 people killed (including Kazimierz Rasinsky) and 50 wounded.

        During the week
        it's there
        In both cases, losses accounted for about 10 percent of the personnel
        hi
    2. mr.ZinGer 28 January 2020 08: 45 New
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      And you saw in the chronicle the huge columns of our prisoners at the beginning of the war, the war was just beginning and no one wanted to die and was not ready.
      1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 09: 07 New
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        mr.ZinGer (Vladimir)
        And you saw in the chronicle the huge columns of our prisoners at the beginning of the war
        And you can’t show the chronicle of 43-45 years with huge columns of German prisoners.
        the war had just begun and no one wanted to die and was not ready.
        Are you sure about that? Does the example of the Brest Fortress say anything? Want to say that this is just one example? Nevermind guessed. They fought where and how they could, a lot of examples. Do you have the names Kolobanov, Sirotinin, Sailors, Gastello, Lavrinenko talking about? The Germans could not make up the losses of the Wehrmacht in 1941, not in terms of quantity, but in terms of quality. So do not smack nonsense, it hurts.
        1. mr.ZinGer 28 January 2020 09: 31 New
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          And what nonsense is, is that the war has just begun and people wanted to. Or the fact that you are building parallels between the house of PAVLOVA and Westerplatte. When the glow culminated.
          1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 09: 42 New
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            And what nonsense is, is that the war has just begun and people wanted to.
            Nobody ever wants to die. But, you mentioned our prisoners of war in some sort of derogatory form. And I reminded you that there were no less German prisoners of war. That's just the situation was diametrically opposite. In 1941, our army was not ready for war, and Stalin understood this better than anyone, and therefore delayed the war as long as possible. So the outcome of 1941 is logical. But what happened to the Wehrmacht by the 44th year, have forgotten how to fight?
            1. mr.ZinGer 28 January 2020 10: 16 New
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              But I don’t need to remind, I know the story well and besides Lavrinenko, Kolobanov, Matrosov, Gastello and Sirotin I’ll give you two dozen more names without hesitation. But I do not share fermented patriotism.
    3. EvilLion 28 January 2020 10: 01 New
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      Brest Fortress, from 10-11 thousand people. who remained there as a result of Pavlov’s betrayal (for 2 battalions to remain, the rest to advance to the concentration area), 7 thousand surrendered. And then you can tell interesting stories about 3.5 commanders who had been sitting in cellars for months and wondered that the people believed that the Germans threw corpses. With such and such “heroes” it will not be otherwise.

      About Pavlov’s house is not even funny. If the army needs to take a fortification such as a residential building with a garrison platoon or company, it will take it without problems, artillery and assault groups decide.
      1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 10: 33 New
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        And then you can tell interesting stories about 3.5 commanders,
        That is, in your opinion, the Soviet propaganda invented Major Gavrilov ?!
        About Pavlov’s house is not even funny. If the army needs to take a fortification such as a residential building with a garrison platoon, or company, it will take it without problems
        Why didn’t they take it?
        not even funny
        It’s not funny that there are people like you, this is really NOT FUNNY!
        1. EvilLion 28 January 2020 11: 07 New
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          And what did Major Gavrilov do? No, there can be no complaints against Gavrilov, he apparently did everything he could in those circumstances, and even more. But it was somehow strange to talk about the feat of the Soviet people, forgetting that more than half of the garrison had simply surrendered, Brest had no effect on the course of the War, and why, in general, the division was suddenly hit (although all other military districts had a directive of 18- On June 30st, they received and executed it, only with the traitor Pavlov, the soldiers had to run to their arsenals in shorts, in his department the Germans walked to one airfield 22.06.41 km from the border on June XNUMX, XNUMX) and were locked in a stone bag. And I do not think that Gavrilov himself somehow condemned the ordinary boys, who after several days without supplies had no choice but to die or surrender.

          Why didn’t they take it?


          Damn, you are asking some strange questions. As far as I know, maybe in addition to this house they also had a lot of goals, maybe the defenders were well covered, including heavy artillery, but then we should talk about a fight of an appropriate scale (regiment, or even a division on each side) around a certain nodal points, not a platoon of shooters who were directly sitting in it. It is necessary to watch the corresponding parts of the railway. And it turns out, like Bondarchuk’s in the Ninth Company, that the garrison alone and almost all dies, but in reality the garrison’s company was covered not by a regiment with artillery and the loss of 6 killed, which, however, was also a lot.

          The Battle of Stalingrad is not generally about the city in general, but about its environment, and the main battles in the steppes took place.
          1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 11: 27 New
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            And what did Major Gavrilov do?
            Indeed, what did he do? You really are fool or just pretending? According to your "logic" (if it can be called logic at all), then no one has done anything. And what did hundreds of thousands of ordinary Soviet soldiers who fell into the cauldrons and heroically fought off the Germans in these cauldrons do? Maybe you should have been captured immediately? And what did Leningrad do in the blockade? Did you have to give up right away? Or maybe Moscow should not have been defended? What did the Storchak group of 400 people do when they did not miss an entire division to Moscow?
            Damn you
            I didn’t drink with Brudershaft to switch to “you”!
            How do I know
            So if you don’t know, maybe don’t try to judge?
            The Battle of Stalingrad is not generally about the city in general, but about its environment, and the main battles in the steppes took place.
            The phenomenal “knowledge” of history ... Have you captured Paulus in the bare steppe?
            Yesterday I suggested to one alternatively gifted to go to school, maybe you should go there too?
            1. EvilLion 28 January 2020 11: 46 New
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              Do you read at all? More than half of the garrison of the Brest Fortress simply surrendered, but they talk about one Gavrilov.

              What did the Storchak group of 400 people do when they did not miss an entire division to Moscow?


              And the rest of the multimillion-dollar Red Army, apparently, consisted of stupid degenerates, since they retreated right up to Moscow. In total, 400 people were needed. to the German division of 10-20 thousand snouts. Zhukovs, Konevs and other Vasilevsky did not guess. It reminds German tales of how they destroyed the hordes of Ivanov, but for some reason they purged the war and completely ruined the entire male population, so we had to send old people and children to the front.

              In fact, in the fall of 41, before it became possible to achieve normal density of troops, it was necessary to resort to restraining actions when the blocking forces were weak, but simply by the fact of their presence the Germans had to turn from marching columns into battle formations and lose time.

              So if you don’t know, maybe don’t try to judge?


              But you don’t know how many kilometers from the Soviet border to Stalingrad, and how many Germans have already taken such houses here while getting there? Do you even know what just one 6-inch landmine does with a house? 2 floors just go to hell. A few dozen people in the house for the army with heavy weapons, this is not even an obstacle, this is pah. An obstacle is when a regiment with heavy weapons is around such a house, and 150 mm howitzers are occupied elsewhere.

              The house itself can only be of interest here as a kind of point with good visibility and backache, so there will be a batch around it.

              The phenomenal “knowledge” of history ... Have you captured Paulus in the bare steppe?
              Yesterday I suggested to one alternatively gifted to go to school, maybe you should go there too?


              Read at least Isaev to begin with, or something.
              1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 11: 51 New
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                In total, 400 people were needed. to the German division of 10-20 thousand snouts.
                Ohhh, yes, here we have a new Napoleon formed ... laughing laughing laughing Stratig, it’s become interesting to me right now, if you collect 400 of the same fool fossils and you as a commander to put, how much time you would hold out against a full-fledged Wehrmacht division of the 1941 model year. I suppose that we would have done it liquid, as soon as we see the Germans.
                1. EvilLion 28 January 2020 15: 07 New
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                  You yourself just rubbed me about a certain group of Storchak, who did not miss a whole division of Germans. Well, now explain how this fact fits in with the retreat of the Red Army right up to Moscow:
                  1) This group consisted of supermen?
                  2) Was the German division so stupid?
                  3) The division was ordinary, but the whole Red Army is so-so, since the Germans are such a weak enemy that they need only roughly half a thousand people to go to their division.

                  Actually, any such fantastic victory, when a handful of ours gives out absolutely incredible lyuley to the enemy forces superior to dozens of times, either raises the question of what the hell the rest of the Red Army did, or in fact it turns out to be insurmountable and invented by front-line propagandists. What is characteristic, such stories are grouped precisely in the 41st year, when one did not have to brag about particular successes. And when the propagandized heroes turn out to be such only on paper, or their achievements do not cause any interest (Marinescu was lucky, just like the American submarine that drowned Sinano, he shot a fat target, as in a dash), this undermines the credibility of quite real Pokryshkin, Bochkovsky and Zhukov.
                  1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 15: 41 New
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                    Actually, any such fantastic victory, when a handful of ours gives out absolutely incredible lyuley to the enemy forces superior to dozens of times, either raises the question of what the hell the rest of the Red Army did, or in fact it turns out to be insurmountable and invented by front-line propagandists.
                    Those. and the feat of Kolobanov, and the feat of Konovalov, the feat of Sirotinin are all the inventions of Soviet propaganda?
                    What is characteristic, such stories are grouped precisely in the 41st year, when one did not have to brag about particular successes.
                    My neighbor in the country, Bykov Boris Ivanovich, received a star of the hero in the 44th year because, while crossing the Vistula, remaining alone surrounded by the Germans he fought them off until reinforcements arrived, destroying the Fritz company. When asked how he succeeded, he usually answered with humor that there was nowhere to go. This is for the "tales" about 1941.

                    P.S. What ugly forms Russophobia takes ...
                    1. EvilLion 29 January 2020 08: 18 New
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                      It remains only to recall my favorite joke about Private Smith, which is attended by hundreds of enemy soldiers, whom he shot from his rifle.

                      About Kolobanov, a clear invention, for the Germans in the 41st to lose 2 dozen tanks in one battle - this is something unthinkable and such things do not pass without a trace in the railway. Much more often was lost on breakdowns, 88 and 105 mm guns, and other delights of ten KV-1.
                      1. Alexander Suvorov 29 January 2020 08: 35 New
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                        What, Nazi shortage, all of our victory does not give all peace, can not calm down ?! Nothing, the time will come we will all of you and calm and rest ...
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                        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                        Nothing, the time will come we will all of you and calm and rest ...

                        Be sure this time will come. They beg for it.
                      3. Rakovor 29 January 2020 12: 43 New
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                        See yourself do not calm down ahead of time, you are our sedative.))
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                      About Kolobanova explicit invention

                      I’m wondering what kind of Europe are your education from?
        2. solzh 28 January 2020 12: 02 New
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          And what did Major Gavrilov do?

          Defended the Brest Fortress and killed the enemies who attacked our Motherland! Is this not enough?
          1. EvilLion 28 January 2020 15: 10 New
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            Kozhedub, or, for example, Lavrinenko, succeeded much more in this.
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              Kozhedub, or, for example, Lavrinenko, succeeded much more in this.

              In order for Kozhedub and others to begin their exploits at the end of the 42nd - 43rd, to perform on June 22, 41 and as much as possible after that, Major Gavrilov, captain Gastello and thousands of others were needed. At least so that Kozhedub just had the opportunity to join the battle. And do not tell me the story of Kozhedub. It is present here only as an example, because you have mentioned.
              And to read your texts, I’m not saying already - to evaluate, analyze, I just don’t feel like it because of rough poking by strangers, obstinacy, bordering on obstinacy, narcissism, conceit, based only on what Isaev read. I'm afraid nothing but.
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        1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 11: 33 New
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          I do not know about you, but from the point of view of the benefits for the Victory, Kozhedub nevertheless made about 3 more.
          Actually, for such things you would have to snatch your tongue. Zoya Germans brutally executed, wish you to be in her place ?! However, such as you will not find yourself, such as you run the first to give up.
          And the heroic deed of Zoe is more than the heroic deed of Kozhedub and for the common cause of the Victory, she made him no less. Because her example inspired thousands, maybe millions of people, to fight fascism. In the course, that the Germans from the part that participated in the brutal execution of Zoe then the Red Army soldiers did not take prisoner?

          And as soon as the Russian land suffers such bastards on itself ?!
          1. solzh 28 January 2020 12: 09 New
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            bastards

            Alexander, please be careful, there wasn’t enough to get a ban because of this ...
            1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 12: 18 New
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              Alexander, please be careful, there wasn’t enough to get a ban because of this ...
              I’ll try, Serge. It just infuriates that almost outright fascists on the site have dug in.
              1. Rakovor 28 January 2020 14: 45 New
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                As a rule, those who shout the most about the fascists are the first to go to the police.
                1. EvilLion 28 January 2020 15: 08 New
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                  But only behind those who choose as the nickname the names of the great commanders of the past. I thought that something like that from RIZuna only causes laughter and disgust.
                  1. Rakovor 28 January 2020 15: 25 New
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                    Yes, it’s useless to explain such things. Such as Sasha Suvorov sincerely believe that, for example, in Sevastopol, our 250 days, day and night, repelled the attacks of the Germans. And they don’t know that it was actually taken by the end of December of the 41st and only the Kerch-Feodossky landing prevented the surrender of the city.
                    And that then the Germans threw all their forces against the Crimean front and in Sevastopol there was a relative months-long lull, which ours used to improve the defense.
                    But this did not help either. As soon as ours were thrown from the Kerch Peninsula, the assault of Sevastopol followed and all this defense collapsed within 3 weeks.
          2. EvilLion 28 January 2020 13: 24 New
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            That is, to kill one infantryman and shoot down dozens of aircraft, killing in them a certain percentage of pilots who have been trained for a long time, are these achievements equivalent? I’m only afraid that with this approach there’s only one thing left to boast about the “Varangians,” who have never hit the Japanese, and at the same time whine over the Tsushima, how did it happen. Well, Tsushima begins with Varyag.

            In the course, that the Germans from the part that participated in the brutal execution of Zoe then the Red Army soldiers did not take prisoner?


            Did not read "Self-propelled 120"? Here is a simple series of events, a dying German officer without legs, the 115th burned down, a pair of dead raped orderlies who somehow wandered to the Germans, the German children chewing on needles, and stacks of corpses in the death camp ... Not some military excesses, but a system for which people have firewood. Do you really think that the soldiers of the Red Army needed to know about the Kosmodemyanskaya in order not to take the Germans captive? They did not see the ashes instead of villages, nor the locals who lived under the invaders did not tell them anything? I, in the history of the war, are more likely to be surprised that they were taken prisoner, and that the rules of war were at least to some extent complied with. Still, an ordinary fighter, ours, that German, if the brains are not completely messed up, sees for the most part what is in front of him.

            And what is there "from that part" ... But how can a soldier even know from which part the enemy is in front of him? Tell me again how Pokryshkin took off, and the Germans immediately said “ahtung, ahtung!”, And Alexander Ivanovich: “Who is ahtung? I am ahtung ?! I’ll show you such an ahtung now!” And let's blame them.
    4. solzh 28 January 2020 11: 55 New
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      If the army needs to take a fortification such as a residential building with a garrison platoon or company, it will take it without problems, artillery and assault groups decide

      Well, where are those German assault groups and other army and Wafen units?
      1. Rakovor 28 January 2020 14: 37 New
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        Counterattacks of our troops on the left flank of the German group storming Stalingrad were reflected, which lasted all the fall of the 42nd year. If not for them, no heroism of Pavlov, Chuikov and others would have helped and ours would have been thrown into the Volga.
      2. EvilLion 28 January 2020 15: 14 New
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        You must be aware of the fate of the 6th Paulus Army. I am only afraid that this does not in any way abolish the absurdity of talking about Pavlov’s house about completely ignoring the hostilities around him.
        1. Rakovor 28 January 2020 15: 38 New
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          Naturally. Not a single defense is a thing in itself, and if it is, it will not take very long. Leningrad itself, if not for the continuous offensive operations of the Volkhov Front, would most likely have been lost.
          1. EvilLion 28 January 2020 16: 05 New
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            What are you! What an offensive! It’s scary to go, it’s much more pleasant to sit in the Pavlov’s House for 58 days and click the rifles in the window of the Germans. True, there were 2 houses, one Germans burned and blew up, so he collapsed with all the defenders ... Probably not so heroic.
            1. malyvalv 29 January 2020 12: 35 New
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              In Stalingrad there were only 2 houses? And only one they blew up? Oh well.
      3. miner 29 January 2020 15: 13 New
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        With all due respect to the defenders of Pavlov’s house, visiting his surroundings, I personally did not see any reason that could prevent the Germans from taking or destroying him. Besides the fact that they did not need it. This is practically the shore of the Volga. The terrain above, from which the river and the other shore, is viewed and shot, is in their hands. I can only assume, since I am not a military man, that another reason for not taking the house was that the attackers would be in the zone of destruction of the artillery of the Red Army. In direct view from the other side.
        1. solzh 29 January 2020 15: 18 New
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          Except that they did not need it.

          From wikipedia:
          According to the recollections of William Adam, Colonel Roske told him that the German assault groups captured the lower floor of the building, but could not capture it entirely. For the Germans, it was a mystery how the garrison on the upper floors was supplied

          The Germans organized attacks several times a day. Each time soldiers or tanks tried to get close to the house, I.F. Afanasyev and his comrades met them with heavy fire from the basement, windows and roof.
          1. miner 29 January 2020 15: 29 New
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            I wrote what I saw. It seems to me that several howitzer shells would leave a pile of gravel from the house. I doubt that the Germans did not have them. True, there is a mill with meter walls. But she is not an obstacle, if there is a desire, but the shore is already behind her. But it turns out that the German colonel, mentioned by you, fortunately for our soldiers, did not use all the capabilities of his unit, sending infantry to storm.
          2. Golovan Jack 29 January 2020 15: 36 New
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            when the soldiers or tanks tried to get close to the house, I.F. Afanasyev and his comrades met them with heavy fire from the basement, windows and roof

            "heavy fire from" riflemen, tanks stopped? belay

            Reminds a joke about the political officer when the cartridges ran out. And the machine gun, nevertheless, was stitched up again.
            1. solzh 29 January 2020 15: 38 New
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              Above in my comment it says:
              For the Germans, it was a mystery how the garrison on the upper floors was supplied
            2. solzh 29 January 2020 15: 39 New
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              The defenders of Pavlov’s House included, among others:
              Mortar Department
              Armor Division
              1. Golovan Jack 29 January 2020 16: 05 New
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                Mortar Department

                2 people, 1 mortar (which? 50 mm?)

                Quote: solzh
                Armor Division

                6 MF

                Neither one nor the other is a serious weapon against a tank.
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                  6 MF

                  Neither one nor the other is a serious weapon against a tank.

                  Good is not. Nevertheless, the PTR was used very successfully against Wehrmacht tanks.
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                    Quote: solzh
                    PTR was used very successfully against Wehrmacht tanks

                    Any statistics? PTR in a tank is like a slingshot in a car: to smash a caterpillar, to make some little things ... it’s not a weapon against armor.
                    1. solzh 29 January 2020 16: 57 New
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                      A good movie about Zvezda TV channel
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                      Quote: solzh
                      A good movie about Zvezda TV channel

                      Good. From the 10th minute - exactly what I wrote above.
                    3. solzh 29 January 2020 21: 17 New
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                      From the 10th minute - exactly what I wrote above.

                      Only there it is said that from the second half of 1943 the Germans appeared heavy tanks and self-propelled guns with powerful armor protection. PTR she was no longer able to do.
                      We are talking about Pavlov’s House and about the PTR unit that took part in the 58 day defense in 1942. Then the PTR could still fight with the Wehrmacht armored vehicles.
                    4. Golovan Jack 29 January 2020 21: 22 New
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                      If you carefully look, listen - and there was one too - "into the gas tank, into the engine" ... and so on. At 200 meters.

                      Moreover, a house that all in sight. Well, there’s no place for “PTR against the tank”, this suicide is sophisticated ...

                      Okay, the question is settled. I have no tasks to convince you request
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                      Quote: Golovan Jack
                      Okay, the question is settled.

                      hi
  • malyvalv 29 January 2020 12: 33 New
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    According to German documents, the Germans had the biggest losses in the first week of the war in the area of ​​the Brest Fortress. Actually, we learned about the heroism of the defenders of the Brest Fortress only in the 44th year from German documents.
  • Ham
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    well, right time, the government and the command gave traction for a hill, you need to portray at least some kind of heroic major ...
    1. Stirbjorn 28 January 2020 08: 42 New
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      well, right time, the government and the command gave traction for a hill, you need to portray at least some kind of heroic major ...
      There were heroic moments without the Westerplain - the same defense of Vizna, against the entire Guderian corps. Although, after this exposing article, I won’t be surprised that Captain Raginis had swelled the whole battle, and that some modest sergeant was leading the defense
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    We fought, however ... smile
    1. GKS 2111 28 January 2020 08: 33 New
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      That's not the word. The Anders army categorically didn’t want to go to the front, so they went to “warm places”, leaving us (the money that swelled into them, we needed such money, the battle for Rzhev was going on) and didn’t even say thanks.
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    A muddy article of some sort ... more like fiction, with verbatim quotes and so on, as if the author himself had been fighting somewhere nearby all this time. A coward and a psycho commander and a modest hero are his deputy, on whom everything rested.
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    The major’s words “offended” a little off topic. In the German army, soldiers and officers “stood together”, one ration. I think that this is not the last reason for the Wehrmacht’s fortitude.
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      In the German army, soldiers and officers "culled" together, one ration.

      Who told you such a fairy tale? Firstly, they could not "camp" together, if only because private soldiers were forbidden to enter the officers' casino, and secondly, in the field conditions they really had to eat together, but this does not mean that the German officers did not receive additional food. I’m not even talking about aviation and the navy - there was separate food for officers and soldiers. Not only that, even in the democratic NNA of the GDR, officer lunches and dinners were served by ordinary soldiers as waiters - such unwritten traditions were preserved in the German army.
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    Does Major Sukhara deserve honors?
    Deserves honors garrison Westerplattewho fulfilled his soldier duty.

    Everything else is details.
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      Yes! Of course!
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      Of course!
  • iouris 28 January 2020 12: 05 New
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    It must be understood that the Germans waged "civilized wars" with the Poles, there were no deep ideological contradictions between them, but there were general views on the "Russian question", the "Jewish question" and methods for solving them.
    A very believable version, and the psychological portrait of the commandant is convincing. It is completely understandable why Cuba did not shoot the commandant: the defeat of the "civilized" German army was not considered by the Poles as a national disaster, but as an entry into "united Europe." "European membership" continued after the dissolution of the USSR.
    Thus, German aggression, the destruction of the Polish state by Germany cannot be compared with the arrival of the Red Army and socialism in Poland.
  • Pacifist with AK 28 January 2020 12: 25 New
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    Quote: mr.ZinGer
    But I don’t need to remind, I know the story well and besides Lavrinenko, Kolobanov, Matrosov, Gastello and Sirotin I’ll give you two dozen more names without hesitation. But I do not share fermented patriotism.

    And which one do you share? Matzoy, schnapps, coca-peaked, greasy? Nothing personal, just interested ...
  • Jarserge 28 January 2020 13: 16 New
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    After so many years in any event you can find, anything and interpret ...
  • Operator 28 January 2020 14: 03 New
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    Danzig in 1939 was a German city under the administration of the League of Nations. The number of Poles among citizens was less than 15%. In order to gain a foothold in a foreign city of Poland in the late 1920s, she won the League of Nations the right to create a military warehouse in the casemates of the former German coastal fortress on the Westerplatte Peninsula. With the help of Polish engineers, the casemates were turned into a fortification structure that can withstand direct hits of shells and bombs, with large stocks of small arms, ammunition and food, designed for a long siege.

    According to the plan of the Polish High Command, the "warehouse" garrison had to hold out until the so-called approach. The interventionist corps of the Polish army, intended to capture Danzig. However, the “warehouse” garrison command violated the order and surrendered on the seventh day of defense, not even using up a tenth of the reserves and having lost 15 out of 182 killed.

    What is the heroism of this decision - the Poles and Canadians know better laughing
    1. Former naval person 28 January 2020 15: 24 New
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      where is the logic?
      1. Operator 28 January 2020 15: 31 New
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        The “warehouse” command on Westerplatte failed the plan of the Polish high command to capture the German Danzig, capitulating at full opportunity to keep the fortified bridgehead for several more weeks.

        On September 7, 1939 no one knew yet that the Polish High Command itself was deserting itself from the theater of operations, having interned in Romania.
        1. Former naval person 28 January 2020 17: 14 New
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          especially literate, reading texts diagonally, explain on the fingers:
          1. The Polish command refused plans to capture Danzig on the eve of the war.
          2. Sukharsky knew about this, but hid information from his subordinates.
          3. Danzig (free city) was taken by the Germans in the first hours of the war.
          4. heroism consists in the defense of a deliberately doomed position for a period of 14 times the original plan.
          5. only after half a century did facts come to light that in this case, heroism, especially the commandant of the Westerplatte, was somewhat tarnished.
          and the Westerplatte, as a fortified position equipped with ammunition and food supplies, turned out to be vulnerable in a completely different way:
          6. no one bothered to provide him with water supplies; after the destruction of the water supply on September 2, the garrison was supplied with water very poorly - a couple of sips from jars.
          7. affected by lack of medicines; the main argument in favor of surrender was the plight of the wounded, especially gangrene.
          1. Operator 28 January 2020 18: 20 New
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            The OBS didn’t give a ride, there was water from the belly (the Vistula River), surrender amid inexhaustible stocks of ammunition and food - not heroism, but betrayal, in war as in war (gangrene, bullets, fragments, etc.)
            1. Former naval person 28 January 2020 21: 07 New
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              and then they say that Stalin fought on a globe ...
  • Rakovor 28 January 2020 14: 29 New
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    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    What are you? Or, then, remember what lines the Red Army found itself in at the same time, during Operation Bagration?

    And you, if so smart, better remember the balance of power in the 41st year and in the 44th. Maybe then in your head at least something will become clear, although vryatli.
    1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 15: 00 New
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      Rakovor (Michael)
      And you
      “You” do not need a bed, I didn’t baptize children with you and didn’t drink to Brudershaft!
      although vryatli
      To write correctly unlikely.
      better remember the balance of power in the 41st year and in the 44th
      And which one? Amaze with your deep knowledge.
      1. Rakovor 28 January 2020 15: 04 New
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        Well, in the 41st the ratio was at least equal in general, and in the 44th we had a multiple superiority, especially in terms of artillery and armored vehicles.
        and yes, there’s no need to build an intelligent person out of touch.))
        1. Alexander Suvorov 28 January 2020 15: 21 New
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          Rakovor (Michael)
          Well, in the 41st, the ratio was at least equal in general
          A lie, and impudent! Red Army 4 million people. and far from everything on the border, the Wehrmacht is 7 million; everything is tight on the border. The Germans in the direction of the main attacks concentrated their fists several times higher than the forces of the Red Army, which had to stretch forces along the entire front.
          and in the 44th we had multiple superiority
          Again a blatant lie! 1,7 million people against 1,2 for the Germans on the defensive. Where did you see the multiplicity here? For tanks and artillery I agree, there is a multiple advantage on the side of the Red Army, but these are already problems of the Fritz.
          no need to pretend to be an intellectual here
          God forbid, I have a profession ... laughing
          touchy
          Do you want to touch?

          P.S. Writing correctly in the mother tongue is more likely not a sign of intelligence, but a sign of culture and respect for the mother tongue.
          1. Rakovor 28 January 2020 16: 19 New
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            You are brazenly lying in my opinion, a fermented patriot. At the western border, the Germans deployed 3,5 million against our 3 million, but in terms of the number of vehicles we exceeded them: artillery 59k against 37k, tanks 15k against 4k, aviation 10k against 4k. All this is in open sources, so I really do not understand why it is so "brazen to lie."
            And about the concentration of forces - this is the art of war.
            1. EvilLion 29 January 2020 10: 51 New
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              2.8 Million in the West. counties divided into 3 echelons.
          2. EvilLion 29 January 2020 10: 50 New
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            7 million then the whole German army was including those who sat in France and other Yugoslavia. Teach a materiel.
            1. ccsr 29 January 2020 11: 26 New
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              7 million then the whole German army was including those who sat in France and other Yugoslavia. Teach a materiel.

              You also wouldn’t be bothered to learn the materiel - any division from France within two days on the railway was thrown to the Eastern Front during the outbreak of war. But our divisions from Siberia or Kazakhstan, in principle, could not do this, so first study the Wehrmacht’s capabilities for maneuvering troops, and therefore begin to juggle tsifirkami.
              1. Rakovor 29 January 2020 14: 19 New
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                And so it’s easy to take and transfer the division in 2 days. Yeah, insanity grew stronger.)
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                  Quote: Rakovor
                  And so it’s easy to take and transfer the division in 2 days. Yeah, insanity grew stronger.)

                  This is exactly what happened - with the return of the crew for loading and at the end of unloading at the place of arrival, German land divisions from France arrived in 48 hours on the Eastern Front when required. By the way, as one German commander put it, "the German army fights well where there are railways."
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          They were of equal strength just at the end of 1941, after which the Germans didn’t do very well, yet ours, inferior in preparation, had more cannons with tanks. And in the current army of ours, apparently, there were already significantly more in the most important directions, which was manifested in the form of a counteroffensive near Moscow. In general, I believe that the German offensive of the 42nd year is a direct result of the arrival of recruits to the front, who hastily recruited and trained at the end of the 41st, beginning of the 42nd, while the existing units tried to hold the front by companies of 25 people.

          I don’t know about the summer of 44th, but we reached 2.5: 1 in the Berlin operation. Obviously, in previous periods it was worse.
  • Avior 28 January 2020 15: 01 New
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    Quotations are borrowed from the following sources:
    M. Borowiak, Westerplatte: W obronie prawdy. Gdański Dom Wydawniczy, 2001.
    FO Busch et al, Unsere Kriegsmarine im Polnischen Feldzug. F. Schneider, 1940.

    The book Our Fleet in a Polish company in Germany in 1940 could have appeared only in one case, if the creation of the Goebbels Ministry had somehow participated in its creation.
    It makes sense to quote it only as an example of Nazi propaganda since the start of the war, and not as a source of information.
    And we have come to the point that quotes about the Poles who fought against the Nazis began to be cited from Goebbels’s department.
    The desire to put the Poles in place must also have certain boundaries ....
    1. Former naval person 28 January 2020 15: 21 New
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      many eyewitnesses of the events write about the white flag over the Westerplatte, but the text of the order received by the Schleswig-Holstein battleship from the battleship is given only by Fritz Otto Bush and all historians quote him.
      1. Avior 28 January 2020 15: 32 New
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        Did I write something about the white flag?
        or do you want to convince me that not everything in your article is fiction and gossip?
        I agree, there are some points coinciding with the truth
        hi
    2. Avior 28 January 2020 15: 25 New
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      I went to the German page of the article "Westerplatte Defense" (Kampf um die Westerplatte) on Wikipedia to see what they wrote about the fate of the radio operator there
      in the article, I recall, the author described his fate in this way
      In this regard, it is worth mentioning that Sergeant Casimir Rasinsky, a radio telegraph of a military transit warehouse, was not shot by the Gestapo (according to the official version), but was transferred to the Kriegsmarine radio interception center in Brewsterort. Collaborated voluntarily or was he forced to? From the German archival data it follows that he proposed cooperation himself!

      found on the German page ...
      Der Funker Kazimierz Rasiński wurde nach einem brutalen Verhör, in dem er sich weigerte, Funkcodes zu verraten, ermordet

      Radio operator Kazimierz Rasinsky was killed after a cruel interrogation, during which he refused to reveal radio codes.


      hi
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  • Radikal 28 January 2020 15: 38 New
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    Not from the United States, but from Canada. we are an independent, sovereign country!

    Type - "nezalezhnaya"? belay wassat
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  • Andrei Alexandrovich 29 January 2020 16: 40 New
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    "Heroes" .. Mother - them ... The Gorizon in the amount of 205 people did not even last a week .. September 1, 1939 began, and already on September 7, these clowns were bored with nothing. For six days of fighting, out of 205 personnel, irretrievable losses of 15 people .... Warriors are crap ....
    1. Rakovor 29 January 2020 17: 51 New
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      More than 100 thousandth garrison of Sevastopol with powerful defenses lasted three weeks during the decisive assault, and then what? Also call them "warrior-dick"?
  • zoff-2017 29 January 2020 22: 25 New
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    What is the article about? Did the slave act as a fool / drunkard / insane boss? On this there is the CHARTER of the fallen commander replaces the senior in rank. Although there also titles played a role, m.
  • bbss 30 January 2020 09: 16 New
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    What do we care?