NYT: Iranian military hides truth about strike on Ukrainian plane from president


The New York Times tried to restore the chronology of events that occurred after the crash of an aircraft owned by the Ukrainian airline UIA. As a result, they came to the conclusion that the Iranian military tried to hide the guilt of Iran in the death of a passenger airliner even from its own president.


Although American journalists carefully analyzed the situation, not all of their conclusions can be agreed.

The publication reports that General Amir-Ali Hajizadeh, the commander of the Air Defense of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), was the first to know about the attack. But he can hardly be accused of hiding information, because he immediately informed his leadership and even suggested as one of the versions that the plane was shot down by an Iranian missile.

It should also be noted that the IRGC is not subordinate to the General Staff of Iran, since this organization is not part of the structure of the armed forces, but reports directly to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

According to the American newspaper, the Iranian military kept their president in ignorance for three days, although he repeatedly and unsuccessfully tried to reach them by phone. If so, then such relations between the president of the country and the command of the armed forces seem somewhat strange.

According to the publication, the military planned to keep information about the downed aircraft before decrypting its flight recorders, which could take several months, and during this time prepare for possible consequences. One senior IRGC officer explained this to reporters:

They were in favor of hiding this because they thought that the country could not stand another crisis. After all, defending the Islamic Republic at all costs is our main goal.


On the third day after the crash, Iranian President Rouhani, learning the truth, was furious and demanded that the military admit his guilt, threatening to resign otherwise. Whether such a prospect scared the military is an open question.

During a discussion of the text of a statement about a missile attack on a passenger plane, a version was put forward that accused the United States or Israel of breaking into communications networks or intentionally incapacitating radars. But in the end, they decided to tell the truth, admitting their guilt. At least, the situation in the American media was presented just like that.
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  1. Invoce 27 January 2020 17: 30 New
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    The whole truth, this is true at the moment. The investigation is ongoing, and tomorrow, perhaps, the whole truth will be supplemented by new facts.
    1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 17: 33 New
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      Quote: Invoce
      The whole truth, this is true at the moment. The investigation is ongoing, and tomorrow, perhaps, the whole truth will be supplemented by new facts.

      And what will not be - then the New York Times will come up with. The first time, or something ... Also me, the girls are untouched - look in your mouth - you can see the asphalt ....
      1. GKS 2111 27 January 2020 17: 58 New
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        No, Igor, son of Alexei, I will now allow myself to disagree with you. The New York Times (sinful, I read for an objective and comprehensive assessment of the state of affairs) is by no means a "yellow sheet" like the same "The National Interest," pearls "they like to publish here lately here in order to cause righteous anger and indignation of our public with you .. Regarding directly the text of the articleIranian military hides truth from president
        What I’ll say ... I’ll tell you the truth — at work, we also hide the whole truth from our young “hand-guides” - they will be poorly fed in a rush, and we should be raked ...
        1. Shurik70 27 January 2020 21: 09 New
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          The head of the CIA provided President Trump with false information so that he would order a massive missile strike at Assad airfield.
          The reaction of the world media is zero.
          The Iranian military informed its president the correct information an hour later after he announced the wrong data in the media.
          The reaction of the world media - what a totalitarian scandal !!!
    2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 27 January 2020 17: 55 New
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      Quote: Invoce
      The whole truth, this is true at the moment. The investigation is ongoing, and tomorrow, perhaps, the whole truth will be supplemented by new facts.
      Or it won’t, and again we will have to invent conspiracy theories ourselves, including in them the “wrong” consequence.
      1. Nyrobsky 27 January 2020 19: 49 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Quote: Invoce
        The whole truth, this is true at the moment. The investigation is ongoing, and tomorrow, perhaps, the whole truth will be supplemented by new facts.
        Or will not, and again we have to invent conspiracy theories ourselves, including in them the “wrong” consequence.
        Will. No wonder the Iranians do not want to give black boxes to a third party and intend to decrypt their data on their territory, reasonably believing that without their control part of the "uncomfortable" information will be cleared. So far, only the fact that the plane was shot down by their rocket has been officially recognized, which you can’t argue with, but - WHY ?, they will find out.
        a version has been put forward to accuse the United States or Israel of breaking into communication networks or intentionally disabling radars
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 27 January 2020 20: 02 New
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          Or they won’t find any “inconvenient” information, and again they will have to invent bookmarks from the NSA in the boxes manufactured by the American Boeing company, which clean everything that is needed on command from the satellite.
          1. Nyrobsky 27 January 2020 20: 46 New
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            Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
            Or they won’t find any “uncomfortable” information, and again they will have to invent bookmarks from the NSA in the boxes manufactured by the American Boeing company, which clean out everything that is needed on command from the satellite.
            The Iranians do not refuse to attract foreign specialists to decrypting the boxes, which speaks in favor of the fact that they are open. Yes, and what should they hide? In principle, they admitted that they shot down the plane, for which they apologized officially and did not refuse compensation payments to the victims. The essence behind small (but large) is to figure out - Why did this happen? Why is this board so “successfully” delayed by an hour away? Why, in an extremely tense situation, the connection between calculation and command (which had not happened before) disappeared, and the person who made the decision to launch the rocket was forced to rely only on himself and make a decision on his own responsibility? If Iran gives these boxes, then no one will ever receive answers to these questions and will not know the real truth. An example of Malaysia that has lost its Boeing OVER UKRAINE is an example.
    3. tihonmarine 27 January 2020 18: 41 New
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      Quote: Invoce
      The whole truth, this is true at the moment.

      The whole truth is that so far there is no truth.
  2. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 17: 31 New
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    Yes Yes. The New York Times is the ultimate truth. Believe her - do not respect yourself. In second place after the English "Independent" ...
    1. solzh 27 January 2020 17: 38 New
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      Quote: Zoldat_A
      New York Times

      Do you doubt their sincerity and rightness? laughing How can it be, this is the world fake news, they only write fakes and nothing but fakes. fellow
      And now seriously:
      Iranian President Rouhani, learning the truth

      The bold and strong move of the Iranian president. One must have the real courage to admit guilt for a downed plane.
      Although American journalists carefully analyzed the situation

      The analysis does not pull. All conclusions are just the personal opinion of the newspaper. As it was actually only Iran can say.
    2. xGibSoNx 27 January 2020 19: 19 New
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      Yes Yes. The New York Times is the ultimate truth.
      Another thing if RIA or RT announced this! Wow! This is the TOP of the TOPs ... You can treat journalists as you like, but how not to hang the stigma of worthless journalists on NYT. Since even if NYT are shitty journalists ...
      1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 20: 06 New
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        Quote: xGibSoNx
        Another thing if RIA or RT announced this!

        For some reason, in recent years, I believe RT more than all NYT combined. Caught a lie once, second, third - well, believe them further ...
        1. xGibSoNx 27 January 2020 20: 35 New
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          For some reason, in recent years, I believe RT more than all NYT combined. Caught a lie once, second, third - well, believe them further ...
          Well, well, that is, RT has never come across a lie? Interesting .. The feature of TOP journalism is not even that they can lie or cannot, but that they can give out material that most likely no one would know .. or would later!
          1. Zoldat_A 28 January 2020 19: 19 New
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            Quote: xGibSoNx
            That is, RT has never come across a lie? Interesting..

            In my memory - no. If yours was - the facts in the studio, please ...
            1. atalef 28 January 2020 19: 55 New
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              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Quote: xGibSoNx
              That is, RT has never come across a lie? Interesting..

              In my memory - no. If yours was - the facts in the studio, please ...

    3. vladcub 27 January 2020 20: 38 New
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      You can only trust the Lord, and people tend to be duplicitous
  3. carstorm 11 27 January 2020 17: 32 New
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    I’m trying to understand, are journalists now doing news through sessions of spiritualism or fortune-tellers? where did these details come from?
    1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 17: 37 New
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      Quote: carstorm 11
      I’m trying to understand, are journalists now doing news through sessions of spiritualism or fortune-tellers? where did these details come from?

      Wise Goodwin prompts.
      1. carstorm 11 27 January 2020 17: 39 New
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        journalist walked along the yellow brick road?))) as I understand it, the mushrooms were picky.
    2. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 27 January 2020 17: 49 New
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      Read the source. They have some standards (whatever they say), so the corresponding list is presented:

      The New York Times pieced together a chronology of those three days by interviewing Iranian diplomats, current and former government officials, ranking members of the Revolutionary Guards and people close to the supreme leader's inner circle and by examining official public statements and state media reports.
      1. carstorm 11 27 January 2020 17: 52 New
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        very funny) in Iran, they interviewed people from the circle of the supreme leader. yeah. diplomats) American media) bullshit. having studied the media in general the circus.
      2. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 17: 55 New
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        Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
        Read the source. They have some standards (whatever they say), so the corresponding list is presented:

        The New York Times pieced together a chronology of those three days by interviewing Iranian diplomats, current and former government officials, ranking members of the Revolutionary Guards and people close to the supreme leader's inner circle and by examining official public statements and state media reports.

        Sitting in New York, in a warm office, conditional journalist Michael Jones, puts a finger in his mouth and sucks the news out of him. And then, for greater credibility,
        The New York Times pieced together a chronology of those three days by interviewing Iranian diplomats, current and former government officials
        1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 27 January 2020 18: 08 New
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          Take a look at the news commentary, where according to sources in the Russian administration, "foreign and liberal media" predicted appointments to the cabinet. These condescendingly indignant comments (just like yours) are incredibly ridiculous to read now, knowing that the forecasts are fully justified.
  4. divanka2021 27 January 2020 17: 35 New
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    Iranian zrada showed the whole world that they are not a rival to the United States, crap worse than the Ukrainians
  5. rocket757 27 January 2020 17: 46 New
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    They are the media that are often remembered when they recall the most ancient, with low social.
    Why is it so, if something can and does bring benefits, they will always be in their ranks, with exactly the opposite sign, goals and objectives.
    It’s impossible without them, but it’s very different with them.
    1. tihonmarine 27 January 2020 18: 45 New
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      They are the media that are often remembered when they recall the most ancient, with low social.

      The media do not bring any benefit, except for harm.
      1. rocket757 27 January 2020 19: 29 New
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        So many people, so many opinions.
    2. vladcub 27 January 2020 20: 47 New
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      Actually, the "great" corrupt ones: street women, reporters and politicians: "where did you see a decent politician" (V. I. Lenin)
  6. Shahno 27 January 2020 17: 49 New
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    Quote: solzh
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    New York Times

    Do you doubt their sincerity and rightness? laughing How can it be, this is the world fake news, they only write fakes and nothing but fakes. fellow
    And now seriously:
    Iranian President Rouhani, learning the truth

    The bold and strong move of the Iranian president. One must have the real courage to admit guilt for a downed plane.
    Although American journalists carefully analyzed the situation

    The analysis does not pull. All conclusions are just the personal opinion of the newspaper. As it was actually only Iran can say.

    A bold move. To call for the destruction of neighboring states is also a bold move?
    Bold..
    1. Polymer 27 January 2020 19: 25 New
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      Quote: Shahno
      To call for the destruction of neighboring states is also a bold move?

      No, such calls are disgusting. But (!) If you add that these states threaten the security of the United States or Israel, then you can. You mean Trump or Pompeo, right?
  7. maiman61 27 January 2020 17: 54 New
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    All the blame for the downed plane lies with the United States. If any country killed the head of the CIA, and his hands are in blood more than that of an Iranian general, then the whole world would be on his ears.
    1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 18: 15 New
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      Quote: maiman61
      If any country killed the head of the CIA

      I would still drink a hundred of cognac - so that the devils roast it more actively.

      And if the CIA were completely destroyed, cognac would have drunk to the point of madness and firing into the sky in the yard.
      1. tihonmarine 27 January 2020 18: 48 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        And if the CIA were completely destroyed, cognac would have drunk to the point of madness and firing into the sky in the yard

        I just wanted to get drunk, but there was no reason, now certainly the reason has appeared.
  8. Shahno 27 January 2020 19: 38 New
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    Quote: Polymer
    Quote: Shahno
    To call for the destruction of neighboring states is also a bold move?

    No, such calls are disgusting. But (!) If you add that these states threaten the security of the United States or Israel, then you can. You mean Trump or Pompeo, right?

    Who cares what kind of politician I mean ... The fact itself.
  9. vladcub 27 January 2020 20: 40 New
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    Quote: solzh
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    New York Times

    Do you doubt their sincerity and rightness? laughing How can it be, this is the world fake news, they only write fakes and nothing but fakes. fellow
    And now seriously:
    Iranian President Rouhani, learning the truth

    The bold and strong move of the Iranian president. One must have the real courage to admit guilt for a downed plane.
    Although American journalists carefully analyzed the situation

    The analysis does not pull. All conclusions are just the personal opinion of the newspaper. As it was actually only Iran can say.

    If you wish. They need to consider their own interests.
  10. vladcub 27 January 2020 20: 43 New
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    Quote: rocket757
    So many people, so many opinions.

    That's for sure: "how many people, so many opinions"
  11. Shahno 27 January 2020 20: 57 New
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    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: Vyacheslav Viktorovich
    Or they won’t find any “uncomfortable” information, and again they will have to invent bookmarks from the NSA in the boxes manufactured by the American Boeing company, which clean out everything that is needed on command from the satellite.
    The Iranians do not refuse to attract foreign specialists to decrypting the boxes, which speaks in favor of the fact that they are open. Yes, and what should they hide? In principle, they admitted that they shot down the plane, for which they apologized officially and did not refuse compensation payments to the victims. The essence behind small (but large) is to figure out - Why did this happen? Why is this board so “successfully” delayed by an hour away? Why, in an extremely tense situation, the connection between calculation and command (which had not happened before) disappeared, and the person who made the decision to launch the rocket was forced to rely only on himself and make a decision on his own responsibility? If Iran gives these boxes, then no one will ever receive answers to these questions and will not know the real truth. An example of Malaysia that has lost its Boeing OVER UKRAINE is an example.

    They wanted the truth. ..There seems to be one. Communicate, and no one will hide
    How many lives have been lost. Crazy, just acknowledge the Israelis. Build Relationships
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    1. ANB
      ANB 28 January 2020 00: 50 New
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      In in. Iran and Israel have no borders of general or territorial disputes. And not even Arabs live in Iran.
      What are the dogs?
      After all, if you were friends, so many things could stir up the useful together.
      Although it would be stressful for everyone else in the region. :)
  12. Avior 27 January 2020 22: 23 New
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    It should also be noted that the IRGC is not subordinate to the General Staff of Iran, since this organization is not part of the structure of the armed forces, but reports directly to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

    According to the American newspaper, the Iranian military kept their president in ignorance for three days, although he repeatedly and unsuccessfully tried to reach them by phone. If so, then such relations between the president of the country and the command of the armed forces seem somewhat strange.

    do not confuse the IRGC and the military-Iranian Army.
    Formally, the IRGC is part of the structure of the army, but in fact it does not obey the military leadership
  13. Rusticolus 28 January 2020 14: 18 New
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    That is, according to the text of the article, the Iranian general personally wrote an explanatory note to NYT, with the application of the transcript of the secret meeting.
    Oh, don’t tell my slippers to those who say that NYT is not fake news.