Production of Mi-28N helicopters: plans for a new hundred

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Serial Mi-28 in flight

One of the expected new equipment for the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation is a promising attack helicopter Mi-28NM. This machine has already been brought to mass production, and soon the helicopters will go to the troops. The transfer of the first batch is scheduled for 2020. Next year, large-scale deliveries await the VKS.

Recent past


Tests of the upgraded Mi-28NM helicopter started in 2016 and ended relatively recently. Even before their completion, plans for future mass production were identified. In the early summer of last year, domestic media, citing unnamed sources, wrote about the need to purchase about a hundred cars. In the future, such data received official confirmation.



At the end of June, the leadership of Russian Helicopters spoke about the latest developments and specified plans for the Mi-28NM. At that time, two pilot helicopters had already been handed over to the Ministry of Defense for state tests. For 2020, it was planned to supply an installation batch of six cars. Just a few days later at the Army-2019 forum, the public first showed the first production Mi-28NM, built as part of this party.

Soon, details of the further construction of helicopters became known. Under the signed contracts, the Ministry of Defense ordered 98 Mi-28NMs in total. Under the terms of the contracts, the first 18 vehicles will be delivered to the VKS until 2021 inclusive. Then the pace of construction will increase, and until 2027 the army will receive another 80 helicopters. Procurement is carried out as part of the current State Arms Program for 2018-27.

Last year, the media repeatedly raised the issue of disagreements between the Ministry of Defense and industry in the field of equipment prices. According to some reports, the military even planned to abandon the purchase of helicopters with an excessively high cost. Subsequently, the leadership of the military department indicated that the new Mi-28NM turned out to be about one and a half times more expensive than the existing Mi-28UB, but this did not provide a proportional increase in capabilities.


Experienced Mi-28NM

Fortunately, all these problems have been successfully resolved. Participating enterprises have optimized their costs, and the signing of a contract for 98 helicopters has reduced the cost of a series. The consequences of this are obvious. The industry has a fairly large order, and the Ministry of Defense will be able to get all the desired equipment of a new type.

According to updated data ...


On January 24, 2020, Izvestia published new data on the progress of work on the Mi-28NM. The publication managed to get a plan for the supply of components for this equipment, which allows to draw certain conclusions. Data on the future operation of equipment received from sources in the Ministry of Defense is also provided.

It is reported that in 2020 the first six helicopters will be handed over to the army. The next 2021 is scheduled to supply twice as many helicopters. Thus, in 2020-21. The previously mentioned plans for the purchase and delivery of 18 new machines will be fulfilled. Only after this, deliveries to combat units are expected.

The first-party helicopters will arrive at the 344th Center for Combat Training and Retraining of Flight Personnel (Torzhok). This organization has to master new equipment and provide training for pilots from combat units. By the time the first helicopters are delivered to combat regiments, the training of personnel will be completed.

Second hundred


Serial production of Mi-28 helicopters was launched in 2006. For a number of reasons, early modifications of this machine were not mass-produced, and a full-fledged series began only with the "night" version of the Mi-28N. The first serial helicopters were handed over to the armed forces at the beginning of 2008. The 344th Pulp and Paper Mill and PLC in Torzhok received this technique.


Subsequently, supplies of equipment to combat units of the armed forces began. In 2010, the first squadron fully equipped with the Mi-28N began full service. By this time, dozens went to serial helicopters. Continuation of mass production, including under new contracts, allowed to rearm several more units.

Until recently, in the interests of the domestic customer, the Mi-28N helicopter and its version Mi-28UB with dual control and some special equipment were mass-produced. To date, the army managed to get about a hundred helicopters of these modifications. This equipment is operated in several parts in all major strategic areas.

Recent contracts provide for the supply of 98 helicopters of the new Mi-28NM version until 2027. The implementation of these plans will double the number of modern combat helicopters and accordingly increase combat efficiency aviation. There is also information about the planned modernization of the already manufactured Mi-28N to the “NM” state.

It is important that the Russian army is no longer the only customer of the Mi-28 family helicopters. In the recent past, helicopters of export modification Mi-28NE were acquired by Algeria and Iraq. In recent years, Iraqi machines have been actively used in various military operations and show all their capabilities.

Deep upgrade


The Mi-28NM helicopter is a modernized version of the existing Mi-28N. The update was carried out by replacing a number of units and introducing new devices. According to the results of such processing, the helicopter retains the main potential of its immediate predecessor, and also receives new functions, including borrowed from the combat training Mi-28.


The power plant and helicopter control systems have been modernized. Based on the experience gained, the booking of the most important sites and sites has been updated. It provides for the installation of a full-fledged airborne defense complex capable of identifying threats in a timely manner and taking necessary measures. The idea of ​​double control was borrowed from the Mi-28UB project, but other training equipment is not used.

The Mi-28NM receives the N025 radar with over-sleeve antenna placement, which has proven itself in other projects. The sighting and navigation system has undergone a deep modernization. Now it provides the use of both modern and promising weapons. There is information about the possibility of using guided missiles of new types, such as Chrysanthemum-VM or Hermes-A. Communication equipment provides both data exchange and UAV control.

Army benefits


In general, the Mi-28NM is an improved version of the existing Mi-28N, but with several important differences. It retains all the benefits of its predecessor, and also receives new ones. As a result, the aerospace forces will be able to get a modern attack helicopter capable of solving a wide range of combat missions at any time of the day and in different conditions.

The launch of mass production of new equipment will allow for several years to re-equip a number of combat units and partially abandon obsolete models. The appearance of new helicopters with higher performance and wide capabilities will lead to an obvious increase in combat readiness. The training of personnel and the operation of equipment will also be somewhat simplified.

According to current plans and signed agreements for serial production, until 2027 inclusively, almost 28 new Mi-XNUMXNMs will be at the disposal of the aerospace forces, which will almost double the fleet of modern attack helicopters of this family. And the first results of mass production of a new modification will appear this year.
  • Ryabov Kirill
  • Russian Helicopters / russianhelicopters.aero, Airwar.ru
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  1. 0
    28 January 2020 07: 08
    New, modern technology is the key to the stability of our military-political influence in the world.
    I want peace and stability, but without powerful armed forces, this we can’t see ....
    Actually, what can be said for this equipment ... time and operation in the troops will show how designers brought it to the required level of readiness.
    1. +5
      28 January 2020 12: 19
      Quote: rocket757
      modern technology is the key to the sustainability of our military-political influence in the world

      The problem is that the working mechanism for financing the production of "modern technology" generates not technology, but the debts of the military-industrial complex.
      1. 0
        28 January 2020 12: 32
        It may be so ... to assume that the "new" government intends / will be able to change something .... yes FIG knows how they can correct the negative / are going to correct it.
        1. +2
          28 January 2020 21: 43
          Have you seen whom they scored in the government? And who became the prime minister? This is a potentially Uberian team. If you fail to push the dictates, then you can merge, and if the electorate tolerates, then the norms. At the new premiere, electronic cash desks appeared (as a consequence, the closure of thousands of small businesses).
          1. +1
            28 January 2020 22: 14
            By law, you can work ... only if laws / rules are not written to please anyone.
            And the rest wait and see. There are no other options yet.
            1. +5
              28 January 2020 22: 36
              You can work "according to the law", here you are right. But the problem is that the correspondence between the "laws" and the level of the population's ability to pay, let's say, differ somewhat. And who cares about it besides the population itself? Government? It is easier for them to roll out yet another clumsy agitation in the spirit of "drugs are evil" than to fight the general depression of the regions ...
              1. -1
                29 January 2020 07: 48
                Quote: Alt-Right
                And who does this bother except the population itself? Government?

                It's right. This power, not our power ... there is nothing new in that.
              2. +1
                29 January 2020 08: 37
                Rather, not the ability to pay, but the interests of the population inhabiting this country and the state governing this country diverge. But I hasten to upset everyone: those forces that call themselves the opposition simply want to take the place of those who have sat too late and live the same way. In today's realities, any choice is the choice of a flock of sheep between two wolves, old and young. So far, the old and well-fed is better for the herd than the young and hungry. But the herd cannot even think about it.
                1. 0
                  29 January 2020 13: 46
                  Quote: lopuhan2006
                  those forces that call themselves the opposition simply want to take the place of those who have been sitting too long and live the same way themselves.

                  And at the top are not those who shakes them \ lounges from the same opera! Nothing new.
                  What to do ... a rhetorical question, but it’s already being asked, constantly.
                2. 0
                  29 January 2020 22: 22
                  About the current attitude to politics on the part of the population, this will continue in the future, I do not argue.
                  The current continuity is such that the people are those who say "I don't get into politics" instead of "I'm interested in what I can influence, for example." As for politics, there the trend is set by people like Matvienko, who "yesterday" were the KPSS middle management!)
                  And what you call not a choice, but a sterilization of the socio-political agenda, since social democracy like "that one" is not much different from those whom they "oppose" even "in materiel."
                  And I want to say the following: The horizon will save Russia.
                  The main thing that we can do now to normalize the situation is to go beyond the current "continuity" at least at the level of knowledge. After all, we often do not form even an intelligible public inquiry. Therefore, we have equally useless politicians talking about the "concept of a society of abundance" and "the struggle of all good, against all bad"!)
                  PS It's easy to boil.
    2. -8
      28 January 2020 18: 22
      the whole world is measured by economies and only Russia scares with a club. Of course, the latest weapons are needed like air, but what does international politics have when there is no world war in the world? even cold?
      1. +3
        28 January 2020 19: 12
        There is no war in this world, not one, neither hot nor cold, NO ???
        If only they read some foreign manuals, they listened to statements and other things ... according to their statements, through a line, all kinds of wars are written. Which go and never stop.
        And all are measured by economies and without ceasing with all, ours too.
      2. +1
        29 January 2020 08: 08
        And who is scaring anyone here ?! An article on the profile of the resource on the modernization of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has been posted at VO.
    3. +3
      29 January 2020 13: 26
      rocket757 (Victor)
      Development of the Mi-28 began in 1978. It is called "New, modern technology"
      It's time to show something new.
      1. -1
        29 January 2020 13: 53
        Quote: fider
        Mi-28 began to develop in 1978.

        We have a lot that they started designing the day before yesterday.
        The question is - and there from that old project, what is left?
        Is this "old" much inferior to similar equipment from other manufacturers?
        Does anyone even suggest something fundamentally different from what is now?
        Where did we get, should something fundamentally new appear?
        1. 0
          18 February 2020 08: 49
          Say, shaw, you say! But what about the Ka-50? SINGLE combat helicopter. This is fundamentally new.
  2. 0
    28 January 2020 07: 29
    And, as they wrote in the press, electronics and weapons are unified with Ka52 (the corresponding generation)
    1. +4
      28 January 2020 17: 25
      In this regard, an unpleasant fact is obtained regarding the onboard defense complex. All the photos of the Mi-28NM lack the "eggs" from the BKO set installed on the Ka52, there are only optical missile sensors and containers with fired traps. Those. the production Mi-28NM is equipped with a defective, radically curtailed BKO. Stripped down, as can be seen from the article, with the aim of "cost optimization". This sad circumstance significantly lowers the bar for the real effectiveness of modernization.
      1. 0
        28 January 2020 17: 28
        And on the Mi8 / 17, on the contrary, they began to install.
      2. +1
        28 January 2020 19: 37
        Quote: Passing by
        All the photos of the Mi-28NM lack the "eggs" from the BKO set installed on the Ka52, there are only optical missile sensors and containers with fired traps. Those. the production Mi-28NM is equipped with a defective, radically curtailed BKO.


        Would you stop describing the Mi-28 in terms of "like the Ka-52" - "not like the Ka-52." The Mi-28MN has high-grade BKO. Including both traps and electronic countermeasures. The fact that he does not show "eggs" to the whole world does not mean that he does not have them. :) Understand, the cooperation of producers and Mil and Kamov is different. Therefore, the solutions are not identical.
        1. -1
          29 January 2020 18: 15
          Quote: abc_alex
          Mi-28MN has a full-fledged BKO. Including both traps and electronic countermeasures.

          "Full-fledged", "aileron counteraction" are too vague concepts. Show me in the photo a specific product installed on the Mi-28MN, which is responsible for the active suppression of missiles with an optical homing head.
          1. 0
            30 January 2020 13: 50
            Quote: Passing by
            Show me in the photo a specific product installed on the Mi-28MN, which is responsible for actively suppressing missiles with an optical homing head.

            A detailed performance characteristics and schemes do not provide you? I propose to be satisfied with what is. And do not claim more. The Mi-28NM is still too new a machine to be provided with detailed photos of components and assemblies at the request of bloggers. Be more modest, comrade. :)
            1. -1
              30 January 2020 14: 43
              Either troll, or did not bother to delve into the technical details. I’ll tell you a terrible secret, no terribly secret drawings are needed, the node responsible for suppressing optical seekers by definition should be located outside, in the form of some kind of optical emitter. It is impossible not to see it in the photo. For example, the optical sensors of the missiles are clearly visible. Since he is not in any photo, then he is not at all.
              Quote: abc_alex
              I propose to be satisfied with what is. And do not claim more.

              This is unfortunate. After all, they could have done a thing, but they did it as usual. I am doomedly waiting for the world community to savor footage of the destruction of "backward Russian helicopters" at the next war.
              1. 0
                30 January 2020 14: 52
                Quote: Passing by
                This is regrettable. They could do a thing, but they did it as usual.

                You do not understand, I suggested you be satisfied with what is now. The system for countering a missile attack for Mi-28M was made by KRET. Seek, and ye shall find.
                1. -1
                  30 January 2020 15: 07
                  Why didn’t understand, understand, still troll.
                  1. 0
                    30 January 2020 19: 32
                    No, I'm not trolling you. It's just strange to read such requirements. Look at the photo. See the plug on the cannon? What does this mean? At least that detailed photos with "eggs" and "guts" need to wait. I have the opportunity to receive information at first hand, but the people with whom I communicate are of the old Soviet school and do not disclose closed information to anyone. But they don't lie either.
                    1. -1
                      30 January 2020 19: 59
                      Yeah, I saw the LDPE on the cannon or how is it, the angle sensor?
                      It is clear that the photos were taken during the test, not the fact that the view is final.
                      But why not just say specifically about the presence of a system for active suppression of optical seeker. Closed Information? From whom, from me? And the point is to keep secret from me, I don't influence anything at all, but such things are obvious to all real "competitors", it is senseless to secret the presence / absence of the discussed system from them, they will simply see whether it is there or not on the very first serial helicopters. Postpone the inevitable by half a year, a year? What's the point?
                      But you convinced me, I'll wait for the photos of the first really serial ones, and only then I will make conclusions.
                      1. 0
                        1 February 2020 00: 41
                        Quote: Passing by
                        But why not just say specifically about the presence of a system for active suppression of optical seeker. Closed Information? From whom, from me? And the point is to keep secret from me, I don't influence anything at all, but such things are obvious to all real "competitors", it is senseless to secret the presence / absence of the discussed system from them, they will simply see whether it is there or not on the very first serial helicopters. Postpone the inevitable by half a year, a year? What's the point?

                        :)
                        You did not understand. It’s not me who’s not telling you what I know. They don't tell me the details :) I ask: "What is the Mi-28M onboard protection?" They list me this, this and this. If I go into details, they say to me: "Wait a couple of years, you will see everything yourself." There are things I know in detail. And there are those who do not explain to me. Too new.
                        And the forum is read not only by you and me. :)

                        And I tell you: the Ka-52 and the Mi-28MN have different production cooperation, respectively, nodes identical in functionality may look different. The Mi-28NM has an electronic counter-missile attack system. Still, it would not be, the weapon and sighting and navigation system is made for him in the "rocket" design bureau. But firstly, it may look different than you expect, and secondly, the photos that are now circulating on the network, as a rule, from tests or from experimental machines. Wait, the episode starts, let's see how it looks. I assure you, there is sometimes a very strange appearance at the nodes ...
    2. +2
      28 January 2020 19: 32
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And, as they wrote in the press, electronics and weapons are unified with Ka52 (the corresponding generation)


      Are you serious? Sorry, but this is not even "one grandmother said" this is a blatant ignorance of the realities. How can the Mi-28M be "unified" with the Ka-52 in armament, if the Ka-52 is unified with the Mi-28N? The Ka-52 does not have its own weapon system. The Whirlwind project never really worked out. The helicopter goes to the troops with the Mi-28 armament. The Mi-28M has a fundamentally more powerful armament complex, superior to both the Mi-28N and Ka-52.
      The avionics of both machines are fundamentally different, made by different manufacturers and it can be "unified" only at the level of solving common problems. The Mi-28M is the most powerful modern machine that is not inferior in terms of "stuffing" to the Ka-52, and surpasses it in armament.
      1. 0
        28 January 2020 21: 47
        If this is not to come, then this is nonsense.
        1. +1
          28 January 2020 23: 12
          Quote: Zaurbek
          If this is not to come, then this is nonsense.

          I repeat once again: the armament of the Mi-28NM is more powerful and more perfect than that of the Ka-52. Where are you going to come to "this"?
          The avionics were initially different, they were made by different organizations and unification does not shine here, the cooperatives remained the same. And here unification does not shine, for example, "Phazotron" categorically refuses to engage in a supra-sleeve radar.
          1. +1
            29 January 2020 07: 07
            I repeat ... having 2 helicopters in service (as well as three tanks) is nonsense. But having them is already logical to unify systems and weapons. Accordingly, choose the best. Ka52 did not carry out work similar to the modernization of the Mi28NM. Accordingly, NM is now more modern.
            1. 0
              29 January 2020 14: 08
              Quote: Zaurbek
              I repeat ... having 2 helicopters in service (as well as three tanks) is nonsense.

              Ah, what are you talking about. There are other considerations. Kamov Design Bureau serves not only the ground forces, but also the fleet. But KB has always had one, but a huge problem. The fleet demanded insignificant series. 10-20, even 50 cars, this is not the series in which it was interesting to work with third-party developers with Kamov. The Ka-52 is the only way to give a modern Russian fleet an attack helicopter. So it will be pulled in any way. Otherwise, there will be nothing to put on the decks. It is impossible to extend the resource indefinitely to those remaining from the Ka-27 and Ka-29 Union. There is nothing left of them.

              Quote: Zaurbek
              But having them is already logical to unify systems and weapons.

              The weapon has already been unified. For artillery, initially on the launching TTZ, and for URO after the failure of the Whirlwind theme, a complex with MI-52N was installed on the Ka-28. But whether the Kamovites will be able to attach new missiles from the Mi-28NM complex to the helicopter - we'll see. They are "proud" doing everything themselves, they do not trust the developers of weapon systems.
              1. 0
                29 January 2020 15: 43
                The need for the Ka52 fleet is another question. In NATO, not the firing pin of the main fleet helicopter. Although there are options for Apache, Cobra and Tiger. But, it is clear that it is Ka52 that gives production and design bureaus life.
                1. 0
                  30 January 2020 13: 47
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  The need for the Ka52 fleet is another question.

                  But there are no options. No one will make a new helicopter for a series of 20 cars. Most likely they will do everything that is needed from the Ka-52. It is clear that the landing will not work out of it, but the PLO can be tortured ...
  3. +1
    28 January 2020 07: 35
    It's nice that Mi helicopters continue to improve and their fleet is growing rapidly. good We really need drums. wink
  4. +1
    28 January 2020 09: 18
    Good news if you remove the flaws. But no matter how the accident, the crew died, problems with guidance points, etc. Pilots will fly better if they are 200% confident in their technique.
    1. +2
      28 January 2020 09: 35
      That’s for sure, because in night vision goggles that were on helicopters in Syria, it’s impossible to fight, it was impossible to fly .... It is interesting in the next 5 years that there will be a rocket for our helicopters like Spike N-Los or helfire?
      1. -3
        28 January 2020 19: 40
        Quote: V.I.P.
        That's for sure, and even wearing night vision goggles that were on helicopters in Syria is not something to fight, it was impossible to fly.

        Maybe because they are not intended for this? Well, it’s not intended for continuous wearing of welder glasses. How to replicate the stupidity blundered by some retired flyer would ask what kind of points they came from and what they are for.
  5. AAK
    +3
    28 January 2020 09: 36
    And the possibility of upgrading to the level of NM (or higher) of all already built Mi-28s is very desirable
    1. -2
      28 January 2020 19: 53
      Quote: AAK
      And the possibility of upgrading to the level of NM (or higher) of all already built Mi-28s is very desirable

      What for? Mi-28N copes with a certain range of tasks, for which the Mi-28NM is redundant. In principle, this can be done, the architecture is open. But hardly anyone will do it.
  6. -3
    28 January 2020 10: 19
    All this, of course, is very interesting, but normal will there be helicopters, or is this just a miracle of judo?
    1. +1
      28 January 2020 19: 03
      But what does this not suit?
    2. 0
      28 January 2020 19: 54
      Quote: EvilLion
      All this, of course, is very interesting, but will there be normal helicopters, or is it just a miracle of judo?

      Just this. But if you can do better, do it. You will be appreciated.
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    1. +4
      28 January 2020 11: 39
      Like the verdict of the troika am
    2. 0
      29 January 2020 13: 27
      I support! Nonsensical newspaper headlines like: "X: y." for ... tired of separately and especially badly.
  8. -1
    28 January 2020 18: 20
    the load capacity of this helicopter is extremely low .. with 16 ptr it has a load of 110% with 100% fuel
  9. 0
    28 January 2020 19: 02
    1 helicopter build 1 month? belay
    1. 0
      28 January 2020 19: 18
      this is normal for high technology around the world .. and with our half-dead economy all the more
  10. 0
    28 January 2020 22: 42
    Well, it happened! It remains only to stick our own analogs to the MQ-9 Reaper and our answer to Apache Longbow will be! hi
    1. 0
      28 January 2020 23: 17
      Quote: Alt-Right
      Well, it happened! It remains only to stick our own analogs to the MQ-9 Reaper and our answer to Apache Longbow will be!

      And what does Ripper have to do with Longbow? If you are talking about the possibility of working in tandem with an UAV, then the Mi-28N already had it, the Mi-28NM also has it.
      1. 0
        29 January 2020 22: 00
        I'm talking about the bundle as a whole! Or have I missed the presence of a heavy drone in our troops somewhere? As far as I remember, we are developing (keyword) "Hunter", but we do not have our own Reaper ....
        PS If we are developing an analogue of Riper, then do not remind what kind of "apparatus" it is?
        1. 0
          30 January 2020 14: 04
          Quote: Alt-Right
          I'm talking about the bundle as a whole! Or have I missed the presence of a heavy drone in our troops somewhere? As far as I remember, we are developing (keyword) "Hunter", but we do not have our own Reaper ....

          Wait ... I don't understand you. Longbow with Ripper in conjunction do not work properly. Longbow has its own UAV for reconnaissance and target designation. And this is not a ripper. And something much less. And so far only in theory. There is a control panel, there is a communication channel, but so far no one has seen their collaboration.
          The same is implemented on the Mi-28N. And in the same degree of readiness. There is a communication channel, there is a control system, there is no UAV.
          If you are talking about using a helicopter as a reconnaissance gunner for a heavy UAV, nobody seems to be involved in this task ... And why? There are no extra people in the helicopter, everyone there is loaded to the very top, there is simply no one to control the drone. And most importantly, why?
          1. 0
            30 January 2020 21: 44
            Quote: abc_alex
            Wait ... I don't understand you.

            If I am not mistaken, Apache Longbow has claimed the possibility of a "indirect" attack using heavy drones. when the helicopter lights up, and the drone attacks (I heard this in the context of a bundle with the Predator, the further development of which is Reaper). And also vice versa. Therefore, I draw an analogy between the Mi-28NM and the Apache Longbow, stating that to complete the picture, we only lack our heavy drone (therefore, I mentioned Reaper). Here.
            Quote: abc_alex
            If you are talking about using a helicopter as a reconnaissance gunner for a heavy UAV, nobody seems to be involved in this task ... And why?

            You have correctly noticed about the absence of unnecessary people. That is why it is easier for a helicopter to "put it in the forehead" with the help of a drone, if necessary, than to substitute itself. $ 20 million is not lying on the road, you know.
            1. 0
              1 February 2020 00: 55
              Quote: Alt-Right
              If I am not mistaken, Apache Longbow has claimed the possibility of a "indirect" attack using heavy drones. when the helicopter lights up, and the drone attacks (I heard this in the context of a bundle with the Predator, the further development of which is Reaper). And also vice versa. Therefore, I draw an analogy between the Mi-28NM and the Apache Longbow, stating that to complete the picture, we only lack our heavy drone (therefore, I mentioned Reaper). Here.


              Ah ... I haven’t heard anything about this. I can’t say for sure. But I think that for Apache this will not go further than statements and for us it is unlikely to be in demand. Firstly, now the new Mi-28M missile can attack targets at distances up to 20 km. I don’t think that at such a distance he can effectively highlight something. Secondly, the general trend is to take the helicopter out of the air defense zone (at least MANPADS) and reduce the time it looms in the sky above the battlefield. And the role of the target for the drone is the role of the target in the sky. Thirdly, helicopters will bring in twice as many missiles as drones. Why do they need helpers?
              But in principle, there is an automatic target tracking on the Mi-28, I think, if you wish, you can make a target illumination system. They make a heavy drone, it is called "Hunter", but it will be a shock drone or a fighter drone - a question. So it’s unlikely that I’ll explain something to you here.



              Quote: Alt-Right
              That is why it is easier for a helicopter to "put it in the forehead" with the help of a drone, if necessary, than to substitute itself. $ 20 million is not lying on the road, you know.


              Well, drones cost no less. Traitor 17 million. Riper, I think, is even more expensive.
              And I say, hanging and shining a drone is doubly risky. It’s better to fly a drone to the limit of range, see what’s there, form a missile defense and launch a rocket for 20 km. Let the infantry shine on the drone. She is not so noticeable in the sky. :)
              1. 0
                1 February 2020 01: 26
                Quote: abc_alex
                And I say, hanging and shining a drone is doubly risky. It’s better to fly a drone to the limit of range, see what’s there, form a missile defense and launch a rocket for 20 km. Let the infantry shine on the drone. She is not so noticeable in the sky. :)

                Depends on what kind of air defense is expected to meet in the area.
                Using a drone against a neighbor is normal, since even the height reach for such a task may not be enough to intercept a Reaper, for example. Well, for helicopters this is the most dangerous, because there you can only "shine from behind the hill". For a helicopter, this is an option, no more.
                To open the medium and long-range air defense, on the contrary, it is easier to use helicopter-type equipment. In this case, the drone should shine.
                In any case, the overall effectiveness of such a "bundle" depends on the quality of the air defense organization.
                It may turn out that such a bunch is excessive or vice versa, insufficient.

                PS The farther the missile from the helicopter works, the more it needs an accelerator (since the helicopter does not give such starting conditions for speed as an airplane, all other things being equal) and the more weight and less ammunition. I’m afraid to imagine how much all such ATGM will work, operating for 20-30 km, being with a kinetic warhead, for example! wassat
                1. 0
                  3 February 2020 13: 28
                  Quote: Alt-Right
                  Using a drone against a neighbor is normal, since even the height reach for such a task may not be enough to intercept a Reaper, for example. Well, for helicopters this is the most dangerous, because there you can only "shine from behind the hill". For a helicopter, this is an option, no more.

                  Wait ... What's the difference, what kind of air defense?
                  Any task begins with the search and recognition of goals. The helicopter will do this using its search engine. Its range does not depend on enemy air defense, only on electronic warfare. So? Moreover, the range of this system is now less than the range of missiles.

                  But the reconnaissance drone is just a very real assistant: it can fly to a range not accessible to the helicopter’s radar, conduct reconnaissance of targets, transmit target designation and the helicopter will strike beyond the radar’s range. In principle, it can also transfer the strike to the shock drone. But acting as a scout for UAVs is somehow not so ... :)


                  Quote: Alt-Right
                  I’m afraid to imagine how much all such ATGM will work, operating for 20-30 km, being with a kinetic warhead, for example!

                  Yes, it will normally weigh. It is known that the Mi-28M carries up to 8 missiles "product 305" with a range of 20-30 km. It is believed that it was made on the basis of the R-73, with a launch range of 40 km and a warhead weight of 8 kg. Weight - 100-110 kg.
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    29 January 2020 15: 51
    Quote: rocket757
    Quote: lopuhan2006
    those forces that call themselves the opposition simply want to take the place of those who have been sitting too long and live the same way themselves.

    And at the top are not those who shakes them \ lounges from the same opera! Nothing new.
    What to do ... a rhetorical question, but it’s already being asked, constantly.

    There is no one advice and only way out
  12. -1
    29 January 2020 22: 25
    In the 20th year, 6 pieces will be bought already, and in the 21st, 2 times more !!! Grandiose!
    On a teaspoon per year.
    In my opinion, this is called sabotage of rearmament.
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    18 February 2020 09: 00
    my deep conviction, this pepelats Mi 28 ..... not needed.
    Mi 8 \ 17 \ 38 \ 26 are needed for transport tasks,
    Mi 35 to evacuate a downed pilot or a DRG to land / pick up is very necessary.
    Above the battlefield you need a bunch of Ka 52 and Ka 50. As conceived by the designers.
    By the way, it is cheaper and more efficient.
    One savings per pilot is huge. And it’s more effective because the Ka 1 has characteristics higher than the Mi 50. Which is being sawed will not be finished.

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