Production of Mi-28N helicopters: plans for a new hundred


Serial Mi-28 in flight


One of the expected new equipment for the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation is a promising attack helicopter Mi-28NM. This machine has already been brought to mass production, and soon the helicopters will go to the troops. The transfer of the first batch is scheduled for 2020. Next year, large-scale deliveries await the VKS.

Recent past


Tests of the upgraded Mi-28NM helicopter started in 2016 and ended relatively recently. Even before their completion, plans for future mass production were identified. In the early summer of last year, domestic media, citing unnamed sources, wrote about the need to purchase about a hundred cars. In the future, such data received official confirmation.

At the end of June, the leadership of Russian Helicopters spoke about the latest developments and specified plans for the Mi-28NM. At that time, two pilot helicopters had already been handed over to the Ministry of Defense for state tests. For 2020, it was planned to supply an installation batch of six cars. Just a few days later at the Army-2019 forum, the public first showed the first production Mi-28NM, built as part of this party.

Soon, details of the further construction of helicopters became known. Under the signed contracts, the Ministry of Defense ordered 98 Mi-28NMs in total. Under the terms of the contracts, the first 18 vehicles will be delivered to the VKS until 2021 inclusive. Then the pace of construction will increase, and until 2027 the army will receive another 80 helicopters. Procurement is carried out as part of the current State Arms Program for 2018-27.

Last year, the media repeatedly raised the issue of disagreements between the Ministry of Defense and industry in the field of equipment prices. According to some reports, the military even planned to abandon the purchase of helicopters with an excessively high cost. Subsequently, the leadership of the military department indicated that the new Mi-28NM turned out to be about one and a half times more expensive than the existing Mi-28UB, but this did not provide a proportional increase in capabilities.


Experienced Mi-28NM

Fortunately, all these problems have been successfully resolved. Participating enterprises have optimized their costs, and the signing of a contract for 98 helicopters has reduced the cost of a series. The consequences of this are obvious. The industry has a fairly large order, and the Ministry of Defense will be able to get all the desired equipment of a new type.

According to updated data ...


On January 24, 2020, Izvestia published new data on the progress of work on the Mi-28NM. The publication managed to get a plan for the supply of components for this equipment, which allows to draw certain conclusions. Data on the future operation of equipment received from sources in the Ministry of Defense is also provided.

It is reported that in 2020 the first six helicopters will be handed over to the army. The next 2021 is scheduled to supply twice as many helicopters. Thus, in 2020-21. The previously mentioned plans for the purchase and delivery of 18 new machines will be fulfilled. Only after this, deliveries to combat units are expected.

The first-party helicopters will arrive at the 344th Center for Combat Training and Retraining of Flight Personnel (Torzhok). This organization has to master new equipment and provide training for pilots from combat units. By the time the first helicopters are delivered to combat regiments, the training of personnel will be completed.

Second hundred


Serial production of Mi-28 helicopters was launched in 2006. For a number of reasons, early modifications of this machine were not mass-produced, and a full-fledged series began only with the "night" version of the Mi-28N. The first serial helicopters were handed over to the armed forces at the beginning of 2008. The 344th Pulp and Paper Mill and PLC in Torzhok received this technique.


Subsequently, supplies of equipment to combat units of the armed forces began. In 2010, the first squadron fully equipped with the Mi-28N began full service. By this time, dozens went to serial helicopters. Continuation of mass production, including under new contracts, allowed to rearm several more units.

Until recently, in the interests of the domestic customer, the Mi-28N helicopter and its version Mi-28UB with dual control and some special equipment were mass-produced. To date, the army managed to get about a hundred helicopters of these modifications. This equipment is operated in several parts in all major strategic areas.

Recent contracts provide for the supply of 98 helicopters of the new Mi-28NM version until 2027. The implementation of these plans will double the number of modern combat helicopters and accordingly increase combat efficiency aviation. There is also information about the planned modernization of the already manufactured Mi-28N to the “NM” state.

It is important that the Russian army is no longer the only customer of the Mi-28 family helicopters. In the recent past, helicopters of export modification Mi-28NE were acquired by Algeria and Iraq. In recent years, Iraqi machines have been actively used in various military operations and show all their capabilities.

Deep upgrade


The Mi-28NM helicopter is a modernized version of the existing Mi-28N. The update was carried out by replacing a number of units and introducing new devices. According to the results of such processing, the helicopter retains the main potential of its immediate predecessor, and also receives new functions, including borrowed from the combat training Mi-28.


The power plant and helicopter control systems have been modernized. Based on the experience gained, the booking of the most important sites and sites has been updated. It provides for the installation of a full-fledged airborne defense complex capable of identifying threats in a timely manner and taking necessary measures. The idea of ​​double control was borrowed from the Mi-28UB project, but other training equipment is not used.

The Mi-28NM receives the N025 radar with over-sleeve antenna placement, which has proven itself in other projects. The sighting and navigation system has undergone a deep modernization. Now it provides the use of both modern and promising weapons. There is information about the possibility of using guided missiles of new types, such as Chrysanthemum-VM or Hermes-A. Communication equipment provides both data exchange and UAV control.

Army benefits


In general, the Mi-28NM is an improved version of the existing Mi-28N, but with several important differences. It retains all the benefits of its predecessor, and also receives new ones. As a result, the aerospace forces will be able to get a modern attack helicopter capable of solving a wide range of combat missions at any time of the day and in different conditions.

The launch of mass production of new equipment will allow for several years to re-equip a number of combat units and partially abandon obsolete models. The appearance of new helicopters with higher performance and wide capabilities will lead to an obvious increase in combat readiness. The training of personnel and the operation of equipment will also be somewhat simplified.

According to current plans and signed agreements for serial production, until 2027 inclusively, almost 28 new MiNMs will be at the disposal of the aerospace forces, which will almost double the fleet of modern attack helicopters of this family. And the first results of mass production of a new modification will appear this year.
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  1. rocket757 28 January 2020 07: 08 New
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    New, modern technology is the key to the stability of our military-political influence in the world.
    I want peace and stability, but without powerful armed forces, this we can’t see ....
    Actually, what can be said for this equipment ... time and operation in the troops will show how designers brought it to the required level of readiness.
    1. iouris 28 January 2020 12: 19 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      modern technology is the key to the sustainability of our military-political influence in the world

      The problem is that the working mechanism for financing the production of "modern technology" does not generate the equipment, but the debts of the military-industrial complex.
      1. rocket757 28 January 2020 12: 32 New
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        It may be so ... to assume that the "new" government intends to \ can change something .... yes FIG knows how they can fix the negative \ are going to fix it.
        1. lopuhan2006 28 January 2020 21: 43 New
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          Have you seen whom they scored in the government? And who became the prime minister? This is a potentially Uberian team. If you fail to push the dictates, then you can merge, and if the electorate tolerates, then the norms. At the new premiere, electronic cash desks appeared (as a consequence, the closure of thousands of small businesses).
          1. rocket757 28 January 2020 22: 14 New
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            By law, you can work ... only if laws / rules are not written to please anyone.
            And the rest wait and see. There are no other options yet.
            1. Alt-right 28 January 2020 22: 36 New
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              You can work "by law", here you are right. But the problem is that the conformity of “laws” and the level of solvency of the population, let’s say, are somewhat different. And who does this bother except the population itself? Government? It’s easier for them to roll out another clumsy agitation in the spirit of “drugs are evil,” than to fight the general depressiveness of the regions ...
              1. rocket757 29 January 2020 07: 48 New
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                Quote: Alt-Right
                And who does this bother except the population itself? Government?

                It's right. This power, not our power ... there is nothing new in that.
              2. lopuhan2006 29 January 2020 08: 37 New
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                Rather, it is not solvency, but the interests of the population living in this country and the state governing this country diverge. But I hasten to upset everyone: those forces that call themselves the opposition just want to take the place of the "overstaying" and live the same themselves. In the current realities, any choice is the choice of a herd of sheep between two wolves, the old and the young. While the herd is better old and well-fed than young and hungry. But the herd cannot even think about it.
                1. rocket757 29 January 2020 13: 46 New
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                  Quote: lopuhan2006
                  those forces that call themselves the opposition simply want to take the place of "overstaying" and live on their own.

                  And at the top are not those who shakes them \ lounges from the same opera! Nothing new.
                  What to do ... a rhetorical question, but it’s already being asked, constantly.
                2. Alt-right 29 January 2020 22: 22 New
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                  About the current attitude to politics on the part of the population, this will continue in the future, I do not argue.
                  The current continuity is such that the people are those who say "I do not meddle in politics", instead of "I’m interested in what I can influence, for example." As for politics, the trend is set by people like Matvienko, who were “CPSU mid-level management even yesterday”!)
                  And what you call is not a choice, but a sterilization of the socio-political agenda, since social networks like "that very one" differ little from those to whom they "oppose" even "in terms of equipment."
                  And I want to say the following: The horizon will save Russia.
                  The main thing we can do now to normalize the situation is to go beyond the current "continuity" at least at the level of knowledge. We do not even form a distinct public request. Therefore, we have equally useless politicians who talk about the "concept of a society of plenty" and "the struggle of all the good, against all the bad"!)
                  PS It's easy to boil.
    2. marmalade 28 January 2020 18: 22 New
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      the whole world is measured by economies and only Russia scares with a club. Of course, the latest weapons are needed like air, but what does international politics have when there is no world war in the world? even cold?
      1. rocket757 28 January 2020 19: 12 New
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        There is no war in this world, not one, neither hot nor cold, NO ???
        If only they read some foreign manuals, they listened to statements and other things ... according to their statements, through a line, all kinds of wars are written. Which go and never stop.
        And all are measured by economies and without ceasing with all, ours too.
      2. lBEARl 29 January 2020 08: 08 New
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        And who is scaring anyone here ?! An article on the profile of the resource on the modernization of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation has been posted at VO.
    3. fider 29 January 2020 13: 26 New
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      rocket757 (Victor)
      Mi-28 began to develop in in 1978. This is called the "New, modern technology"
      It's time to show something new.
      1. rocket757 29 January 2020 13: 53 New
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        Quote: fider
        Mi-28 began to develop in 1978.

        We have a lot that they started designing the day before yesterday.
        The question is - and there from that old project, what is left?
        Is this "old" much inferior to similar technology from other manufacturers?
        Does anyone even suggest something fundamentally different from what is now?
        Where did we get, should something fundamentally new appear?
        1. Diverter 18 February 2020 08: 49 New
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          Say, shaw, you say! But what about the Ka-50? SINGLE combat helicopter. This is fundamentally new.
  2. Zaurbek 28 January 2020 07: 29 New
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    And, as they wrote in the press, electronics and weapons are unified with Ka52 (the corresponding generation)
    1. Passing 28 January 2020 17: 25 New
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      In this regard, it turns out an unpleasant fact regarding the airborne defense complex. On all the Mi-28NM photos there are no “eggs” from the BKO kit installed on the Ka52, there are only optical missile sensors and containers with shot traps. Those. the serial Mi-28NM is equipped with an inferior, radically truncated BKO. Truncated, as can be seen from the article, with the goal of "cost optimization". This sad circumstance significantly lowers the bar for the real effectiveness of modernization.
      1. Zaurbek 28 January 2020 17: 28 New
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        And on the Mi8 / 17, on the contrary, they began to install.
      2. abc_alex 28 January 2020 19: 37 New
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        Quote: Passing by
        On all the Mi-28NM photos there are no “eggs” from the BKO kit installed on the Ka52, there are only optical missile sensors and containers with shot traps. Those. the serial Mi-28NM is equipped with an inferior, radically truncated BKO.


        Would you stop describing the Mi-28 in the terminology "like the Ka-52" - "not like the Ka-52." Mi-28MN has high-grade BKO. Including both traps and electronic countermeasures. The fact that he does not show the “eggs” to the whole world does not mean that he does not have them. :) Understand, the cooperation of manufacturers and Mil and Kamov is different. Therefore, the decisions are not identical.
        1. Passing 29 January 2020 18: 15 New
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          Quote: abc_alex
          Mi-28MN has a full-fledged BKO. Including both traps and electronic countermeasures.

          “Full-fledged”, “aileron counteraction” are too vague concepts. Show me in the photo a specific product installed on the Mi-28MN, which is responsible for actively suppressing missiles with an optical homing head.
          1. abc_alex 30 January 2020 13: 50 New
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            Quote: Passing by
            Show me in the photo a specific product installed on the Mi-28MN, which is responsible for actively suppressing missiles with an optical homing head.

            A detailed performance characteristics and schemes do not provide you? I propose to be satisfied with what is. And do not claim more. The Mi-28NM is still too new a machine to be provided with detailed photos of components and assemblies at the request of bloggers. Be more modest, comrade. :)
            1. Passing 30 January 2020 14: 43 New
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              Either troll, or did not bother to delve into the technical details. I’ll tell you a terrible secret, no terribly secret drawings are needed, the node responsible for suppressing optical seekers by definition should be located outside, in the form of some kind of optical emitter. It is impossible not to see it in the photo. For example, the optical sensors of the missiles are clearly visible. Since he is not in any photo, then he is not at all.
              Quote: abc_alex
              I propose to be satisfied with what is. And do not claim more.

              This is regrettable. They could do a thing, but they did it as usual. I doomed to wait for the world community to relish the cadres of the destruction of "backward Russian helicopters" at the next war.
              1. abc_alex 30 January 2020 14: 52 New
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                Quote: Passing by
                This is regrettable. They could do a thing, but they did it as usual.

                You do not understand, I suggested you be satisfied with what is now. The system for countering a missile attack for Mi-28M was made by KRET. Seek, and ye shall find.
                1. Passing 30 January 2020 15: 07 New
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                  Why didn’t understand, understand, still troll.
                  1. abc_alex 30 January 2020 19: 32 New
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                    No, I’m not trolling you. It’s just strange to read such requirements. You look at the picture. See the "plug" on the gun? What is this talking about? At least that you need to wait for detailed pictures with "eggs" and "guts". I have the opportunity to receive first-hand information, but the people with whom I communicate, the old Soviet school and do not disclose sensitive information to anyone. But they don’t lie.
                    1. Passing 30 January 2020 19: 59 New
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                      Yeah, I saw the LDPE on the cannon or how is it, the angle sensor?
                      It is clear that the photos were taken during the test, not the fact that the view is final.
                      But why not just say specifically about the presence of an active suppression system of optical seeker. Closed Information? From whom, from me? And the point is to keep it secret from me, I don’t influence anything at all, but to all real "competitors" such things are obvious, it makes no sense to secret the presence / absence of the system under discussion, they just see if it is there or not on the very first production helicopters. Delay the inevitable by half a year, a year? What's the point?
                      But you convinced me, I'll wait for the photos of the first really serial ones, and only then I will make conclusions.
                      1. abc_alex 1 February 2020 00: 41 New
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                        Quote: Passing by
                        But why not just say specifically about the presence of an active suppression system of optical seeker. Closed Information? From whom, from me? And the point is to keep it secret from me, I don’t influence anything at all, but to all real "competitors" such things are obvious, it makes no sense to secret the presence / absence of the system under discussion, they just see if it is there or not on the very first production helicopters. Delay the inevitable by half a year, a year? What's the point?

                        :)
                        You did not understand. It’s not I who don’t tell you what I know. They don’t tell me the details :) I ask: "what is on the Mi-28M from the side protection?" They list me this, this and this. If I delve into the details, they say to me: "Wait a couple of years, you will see everything yourself." There are things that I know in detail. And there are those who do not explain to me. Too new.
                        And the forum is read not only by you and me. :)

                        And I tell you: the Ka-52 and the Mi-28MN have different production cooperation, respectively, nodes identical in functionality may look different. There is a system of electronic counteraction to rocket fire on Mi-28NM. She wouldn’t be, the weapons and sighting and navigation system are being made to him in the "missile" design bureau. But firstly, it may look different than what you expect, and secondly, photos that are currently on the network, usually from trials or from experimental machines. Wait, the series will go, let's see how it looks. I assure you, there is sometimes a very strange appearance at the nodes ...
    2. abc_alex 28 January 2020 19: 32 New
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      Quote: Zaurbek
      And, as they wrote in the press, electronics and weapons are unified with Ka52 (the corresponding generation)


      Are you serious? Sorry, but this is not even "one grandmother said" this is a blatant ignorance of reality. How can one "unify" the armament of the Mi-28M with the Ka-52 if the Ka-52 is unified with the Mi-28N? The Ka-52 does not have its own weapons complex. The Whirlwind project did not really work out. The helicopter goes to the armed forces with the Mi-28. The Mi-28M has a fundamentally more powerful weapons complex, superior to the head and Mi-28N and Ka-52.
      Avionics of both machines is fundamentally different, made by different manufacturers and can be “unified" only at the level of solving common problems. Mi-28M is the most powerful modern machine that is not inferior to the Ka-52 "filling", but surpasses it in terms of armament.
      1. Zaurbek 28 January 2020 21: 47 New
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        If this is not to come, then this is nonsense.
        1. abc_alex 28 January 2020 23: 12 New
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          If this is not to come, then this is nonsense.

          I repeat once again: the Mi-28NM's armament is more powerful and more advanced than that of the Ka-52. Where are you going to come to this?
          The avionics were originally different, it was made by different organizations and unification does not shine here, cooperations remained the same. And here the unification does not shine, for example, "Fazotron" categorically refuses to engage in sub-vehicle radar.
          1. Zaurbek 29 January 2020 07: 07 New
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            I repeat ... having 2 helicopters in service (as well as three tanks) is nonsense. But having them is already logical to unify systems and weapons. Accordingly, choose the best. Ka52 did not carry out work similar to the modernization of the Mi28NM. Accordingly, NM is now more modern.
            1. abc_alex 29 January 2020 14: 08 New
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              I repeat ... having 2 helicopters in service (as well as three tanks) is nonsense.

              Ah, what are you talking about. There are other considerations. Kamov Design Bureau serves not only the ground forces, but also the fleet. But KB has always had one, but a huge problem. The fleet demanded insignificant series. 10-20, even 50 cars, this is not the series in which it was interesting to work with third-party developers with Kamov. The Ka-52 is the only way to give a modern Russian fleet an attack helicopter. So it will be pulled in any way. Otherwise, there will be nothing to put on the decks. It is impossible to extend the resource indefinitely to those remaining from the Ka-27 and Ka-29 Union. There is nothing left of them.

              Quote: Zaurbek
              But having them is already logical to unify systems and weapons.

              The weapon is already unified. In artillery, initially in the starting TTZ, and in the URO after the failure of the topic with the Whirlwind, a complex with MI-52N was installed on the Ka-28. But whether Kamovtsy will be able to fasten new missiles from the Mi-28NM complex to the helicopter - we'll see. They are “proud” themselves doing everything, they do not trust the developers of weapons systems.
              1. Zaurbek 29 January 2020 15: 43 New
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                The need for the Ka52 fleet is another question. In NATO, not the firing pin of the main fleet helicopter. Although there are options for Apache, Cobra and Tiger. But, it is clear that it is Ka52 that gives production and design bureaus life.
                1. abc_alex 30 January 2020 13: 47 New
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                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  The need for the Ka52 fleet is another question.

                  But there are no options. No one will make a new helicopter for a series of 20 cars. Most likely they will do everything that is needed from the Ka-52. It is clear that the landing will not work out of it, but the PLO can be tortured ...
  3. bessmertniy 28 January 2020 07: 35 New
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    It's nice that Mi helicopters continue to improve and their fleet is growing rapidly. good We really need drums. wink
  4. Ros 56 28 January 2020 09: 18 New
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    Good news if you remove the flaws. But no matter how the accident, the crew died, problems with guidance points, etc. Pilots will fly better if they are 200% confident in their technique.
    1. V.I.P. 28 January 2020 09: 35 New
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      That’s for sure, because in night vision goggles that were on helicopters in Syria, it’s impossible to fight, it was impossible to fly .... It is interesting in the next 5 years that there will be a rocket for our helicopters like Spike N-Los or helfire?
      1. abc_alex 28 January 2020 19: 40 New
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        Quote: V.I.P.
        That's for sure, and even wearing night vision goggles that were on helicopters in Syria is not something to fight, it was impossible to fly.

        Maybe because they are not intended for this? Well, it’s not intended for continuous wearing of welder glasses. How to replicate the stupidity blundered by some retired flyer would ask what kind of points they came from and what they are for.
  5. AAK
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    And the possibility of upgrading to the level of NM (or higher) of all already built Mi-28s is very desirable
    1. abc_alex 28 January 2020 19: 53 New
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      And the possibility of upgrading to the level of NM (or higher) of all already built Mi-28s is very desirable

      What for? Mi-28N copes with a certain range of tasks, for which the Mi-28NM is redundant. In principle, this can be done, the architecture is open. But hardly anyone will do it.
  6. EvilLion 28 January 2020 10: 19 New
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    All this, of course, is very interesting, but normal will there be helicopters, or is this just a miracle of judo?
    1. Dazdranagon 28 January 2020 19: 03 New
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      But what does this not suit?
    2. abc_alex 28 January 2020 19: 54 New
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      Quote: EvilLion
      All this, of course, is very interesting, but will there be normal helicopters, or is it just a miracle of judo?

      Just this. But if you can do better, do it. You will be appreciated.
  7. alex aircraft 28 January 2020 11: 20 New
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    Ryabov needs to be prohibited from writing articles. Endless repetitions of the same facts, tedious exposition, in short a nightmare! The article should be concrete and concise, like a shot, like an order !!!
    1. Engineer 28 January 2020 11: 39 New
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      Like the verdict of the troika am
    2. Couchexpert 29 January 2020 13: 27 New
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      I support! Meaningless newspaper headlines of the form: "X: y." for ... tired of separately and especially badly.
  8. marmalade 28 January 2020 18: 20 New
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    the load capacity of this helicopter is extremely low .. with 16 ptr it has a load of 110% with 100% fuel
  9. Dazdranagon 28 January 2020 19: 02 New
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    1 helicopter build 1 month? belay
    1. marmalade 28 January 2020 19: 18 New
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      this is normal for high technology around the world .. and with our half-dead economy all the more
  10. Alt-right 28 January 2020 22: 42 New
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    Well, it happened! It remains only to stick our own analogs to the MQ-9 Reaper and our answer to Apache Longbow will be! hi
    1. abc_alex 28 January 2020 23: 17 New
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      Quote: Alt-Right
      Well, it happened! It remains only to stick our own analogs to the MQ-9 Reaper and our answer to Apache Longbow will be!

      And what does Ripper have to do with Longbow? If you are talking about the possibility of working in tandem with an UAV, then the Mi-28N already had it, the Mi-28NM also has it.
      1. Alt-right 29 January 2020 22: 00 New
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        I'm talking about the bunch as a whole! Or did I somewhere miss the presence of a heavy drone in our troops? As far as I remember, we are developing (keyword) "Hunter", but there is no Ripper ....
        PS If we are developing an analogue of the Reaper, then do not remind what kind of "apparatus" it is?
        1. abc_alex 30 January 2020 14: 04 New
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          Quote: Alt-Right
          I'm talking about the bunch as a whole! Or did I somewhere miss the presence of a heavy drone in our troops? As far as I remember, we are developing (keyword) "Hunter", but there is no Ripper ....

          Wait ... I don't understand you. Longbow with Ripper in conjunction do not work properly. Longbow has its own UAV for reconnaissance and target designation. And this is not a ripper. And something much less. And so far only in theory. There is a control panel, there is a communication channel, but so far no one has seen their collaboration.
          The same is implemented on the Mi-28N. And in the same degree of readiness. There is a communication channel, there is a control system, there is no UAV.
          If you are talking about using a helicopter as a reconnaissance gunner for a heavy UAV, nobody seems to be involved in this task ... And why? There are no extra people in the helicopter, everyone there is loaded to the very top, there is simply no one to control the drone. And most importantly, why?
          1. Alt-right 30 January 2020 21: 44 New
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            Quote: abc_alex
            Wait ... I don't understand you.

            If I'm not mistaken, Apache Longbow has declared the possibility of an “indirect” attack using heavy drones. when the helicopter lights up, and the drone attacks (I heard this in the context of a connection with the Predator, whose further development is the Reaper). And also vice versa. Therefore, I draw an analogy of the Mi-28NM with Apache Longbow, stating that for the sake of completeness, we only need our own heavy drone (therefore, I mentioned Ripper). Here.
            Quote: abc_alex
            If you are talking about using a helicopter as a reconnaissance gunner for a heavy UAV, nobody seems to be involved in this task ... And why?

            You correctly noticed about the lack of extra people. That is why it is easier for a helicopter to "cheat in the forehead" with the help of a drone, if necessary, than to substitute yourself. 20 million dollars aren’t lying on the road, you know.
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              Quote: Alt-Right
              If I'm not mistaken, Apache Longbow has declared the possibility of an “indirect” attack using heavy drones. when the helicopter lights up, and the drone attacks (I heard this in the context of a connection with the Predator, whose further development is the Reaper). And also vice versa. Therefore, I draw an analogy of the Mi-28NM with Apache Longbow, stating that for the sake of completeness, we only need our own heavy drone (therefore, I mentioned Ripper). Here.


              Ah ... I haven’t heard anything about this. I can’t say for sure. But I think that for Apache this will not go further than statements and for us it is unlikely to be in demand. Firstly, now the new Mi-28M missile can attack targets at distances up to 20 km. I don’t think that at such a distance he can effectively highlight something. Secondly, the general trend is to take the helicopter out of the air defense zone (at least MANPADS) and reduce the time it looms in the sky above the battlefield. And the role of the target for the drone is the role of the target in the sky. Thirdly, helicopters will bring in twice as many missiles as drones. Why do they need helpers?
              But in principle, there is a target tracking machine on the Mi-28, I think, if you want, you can also make a target lighting system. They make a heavy drone, the “Hunter” is called, only it will be a strike or a fighter - a question. So I’m unlikely to explain something to you here.



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              That is why it is easier for a helicopter to "cheat in the forehead" with the help of a drone, if necessary, than to substitute yourself. 20 million dollars aren’t lying on the road, you know.


              Well, drones cost no less. Traitor 17 million. Riper, I think, is even more expensive.
              And I say, hanging and shining a drone is doubly risky. It’s better to fly a drone to the limit of range, see what’s there, form a missile defense and launch a rocket for 20 km. Let the infantry shine on the drone. She is not so noticeable in the sky. :)
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                And I say, hanging and shining a drone is doubly risky. It’s better to fly a drone to the limit of range, see what’s there, form a missile defense and launch a rocket for 20 km. Let the infantry shine on the drone. She is not so noticeable in the sky. :)

                Depends on what kind of air defense is expected to meet in the area.
                Against the neighbor, use a drone - the norms, because even the reach in height for such a thing may not be enough to intercept Ripper, for example. Well, for helicopters, this is the most dangerous, because there you can only "shine from behind the hill." For a helicopter, this is an option, no more.
                To open the medium and long-range air defense, on the contrary, it is easier to use helicopter-type equipment. In this case, the drone should shine.
                In any case, the overall effectiveness of such a "bundle" depends on the quality of air defense organization.
                It may turn out that such a bunch is excessive or vice versa, insufficient.

                PS The farther the missile from the helicopter works, the more it needs an accelerator (since the helicopter does not give such starting conditions for speed as an airplane, all other things being equal) and the more weight and less ammunition. I’m afraid to imagine how much all such ATGM will work, operating for 20-30 km, being with a kinetic warhead, for example! wassat
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                  Against the neighbor, use a drone - the norms, because even the reach in height for such a thing may not be enough to intercept Ripper, for example. Well, for helicopters, this is the most dangerous, because there you can only "shine from behind the hill." For a helicopter, this is an option, no more.

                  Wait ... What's the difference, what kind of air defense?
                  Any task begins with the search and recognition of goals. The helicopter will do this using its search engine. Its range does not depend on enemy air defense, only on electronic warfare. So? Moreover, the range of this system is now less than the range of missiles.

                  But the reconnaissance drone is just a very real assistant: it can fly to a range not accessible to the helicopter’s radar, conduct reconnaissance of targets, transmit target designation and the helicopter will strike beyond the radar’s range. In principle, it can also transfer the strike to the shock drone. But acting as a scout for UAVs is somehow not so ... :)


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                  I’m afraid to imagine how much all such ATGM will work, operating for 20-30 km, being with a kinetic warhead, for example!

                  Yes, it will normally weigh. It is known that the Mi-28M carries up to 8 missiles "product 305" with a range of 20-30 km. It is believed that it was made on the basis of the R-73, with a launch range of 40 km and a warhead weight of 8 kg. Weight - 100-110 kg.
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    those forces that call themselves the opposition simply want to take the place of "overstaying" and live on their own.

    And at the top are not those who shakes them \ lounges from the same opera! Nothing new.
    What to do ... a rhetorical question, but it’s already being asked, constantly.

    There is no one advice and only way out
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    In the 20th year, 6 pieces will be bought already, and in the 21st, 2 times more !!! Grandiose!
    On a teaspoon per year.
    In my opinion, this is called sabotage of rearmament.
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    my deep conviction, this pepelats Mi 28 ..... not needed.
    Mi 8 \ 17 \ 38 \ 26 are needed for transport tasks,
    Mi 35 to evacuate a downed pilot or a DRG to land / pick up is very necessary.
    Above the battlefield you need a bunch of Ka 52 and Ka 50. As conceived by the designers.
    By the way, it is cheaper and more efficient.
    One savings per pilot is huge. And it’s more effective because the Ka 1 has characteristics higher than the Mi 50. Which is being sawed will not be finished.