Kostroma law enforcers reported preventing an attack on the school


The press service of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Kostroma region reports on the prevention of a terrorist act in the region. The message of Kostroma law enforcers says that we are talking about preventing an attack on one of the schools. The attack was averted as a result of a joint operation by employees of regional departments of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB.


From published material:

... got information about a 15-year-old teenager who is fond of extremist ideas. A schoolboy posted forbidden materials on his page.

In particular, we are talking about involving so-called “school-hunting” in groups - groups of an extremist nature that disseminate information (in a positive or propaganda manner) about shooting at educational institutions.

Field investigators note that the teenager gathered a group of peers, who were also embraced by propaganda of “cheloving”. As a result, the group decided to carry out an attack on their own school.

From the material:

Banal problems caused by a conflict in the team or receiving an undeserved assessment, in their opinion, was considered by friends through the prism of buying shotguns and bloody revenge on offenders. Teenagers even began to hone their fighting skills in advance, shooting in garages with an air gun.

It is reported that all members of the group have been installed, computers and mobile phones have been seized from them, on which correspondence is stored, which is an important evidence base.

From the report:

Preventive discussions were held with children and adults. A similar work is carried out in an educational institution in order to establish the reasons that contribute to the formation of such ideas among school students.
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  1. Same lech 27 January 2020 14: 18 New
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    At the stage of the onset of the crime, the operatives managed to figure out the failed criminal ... well, well done ... it’s better to overtake than not to finish ... tragedy is prevented.
    I think such events should be regularly held in all educational institutions and to demonstrate to students and schoolchildren that they will be legally responsible for preparing for the crime with a good example ...
    students began to allow too much and from impunity they go on cruel actions.
    1. tihonmarine 27 January 2020 14: 25 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      At the stage of the onset of the crime, the operatives managed to figure out the failed criminal ... well, well done ... it’s better to overtake than not to finish ... tragedy is prevented.

      So far the problems are just beginning, and then they will not go into decline. Here we need a lot of educational work, and something tougher. In American schools, this is already a common occurrence.
      1. 4ekist 27 January 2020 19: 34 New
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        Juvenile colony also has its own schools. Detention-trial-and forward to a new place of study. These idiots should not learn with normal children.
    2. Edik 27 January 2020 14: 33 New
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      A schoolboy posted forbidden materials on his page.

      Alexei, they just talked about it today .. I think I’m starting up everything on its own on the Internet ..
    3. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 15: 19 New
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      Quote: The same Lech
      At the stage of the onset of the crime, the operatives managed to calculate the failed criminal ... well, well done ..

      And he, this minor imperfection, has parents? God forbid my son would have planned such a thing - he would have torn with a belt to a bloody mess - until the skins are completely gone.

      Now I am scolded, minded, but I consider this “something” to be genetically incorrigible and subject to disposal. This its not to fix. And sooner or later he will strike. So, maybe immediately dispose of?
      1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 15: 29 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        And he, this minor imperfection, has parents? God forbid my son would have planned such a thing - he would have torn with a belt to a bloody mess - until the skins are completely gone.

        Yes so. Read below, the state is to blame. Parents are not around. They gave birth and forgot what education is
        1. old friend 27 January 2020 18: 06 New
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          not always the parent may aware of what his child is doing on the networks. For example, not everyone will tell their parents how they are cheated in their native school, etc. So that monitoring should set at state level.
          Yes, and the school has a serious share of responsibility, because most of these crimes-because of humiliation, IMHO. Teachers should prevent this from happening.
          PS is interesting, have schools in the Russian Federation been already protected? If so, how serious is the process?
          1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 18: 15 New
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            Quote: old friend
            not always the parent may aware of what his child is doing on the networks.

            Классика
            "The baby son came to the FAT and asked the baby
            What is good and what is bad?"
            If your children "learn what is good and what is bad" in social networks and not from their parents, then these are YOUR problems, but not of the state
            1. old friend 27 January 2020 18: 36 New
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              How will this help those who lie in a tiny school? It is about what needs to be done in the current situation, and not a hypothetical ideal. Currently, many parents do not pay as much attention to their children as before. And then education was a complex (family - school - media - books) task. Which of these 4 components remains? A family? School, media (incl. Internet) - often they learn not at all.
              1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 18: 47 New
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                It will help that invest from the cradle
                I don’t understand why the school should invest something?
                School must give EDUCATION
                Do not steal and do not kill the parents should drive from the diapers to the head.
                You yourself failed, get what happened
          2. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 18: 39 New
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            Quote: old friend
            For example, not everyone will tell their parents how they are cheated in their native school, etc.

            My son moved to another school in the fifth grade. A day later, came with a “Fingal” and a broken right fist. Of course, I asked him what happened. He said that "they themselves are to blame. They thought that I was nonsense. And I proved to them that this is not so." Then I was called to school, three of them, it turns out I jerked off. And then no one even tried to "frown" - they knew that the fists were made of steel. Armored.

            If someone is "frowned" in his native school - he is to blame. We also had one. I somehow tried to talk to him humanly - "Well, what’s your time forever? Give me at least one change! Yes, you’ll bury me, but you’ll start to respect yourself!" "So they will beat ..." - and talk to that ...
          3. peta locksmith 27 January 2020 21: 49 New
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            yes, they don’t always tell their parents that they’re snooping at school

            the neighbor boy, a junior high school student, was hospitalized with many days of constipation because he was afraid of going to the toilet at school - high school students as soon as he saw that he went to the toilet, followed him and dipped his head in the toilet.
            taken away by ambulance right from school - barely saved the intestines

            the boy’s mother then told us - but I can’t understand anything — why she cries, doesn’t go to school, began to write in bed, doesn’t even go to the toilet at home — his stomach started to hurt - and it turns out

            one of these monsters lives in a neighboring house and everyone knows him well - such a modest, polite boy - grow up-bye
            as soon as the reason was found out - the boy’s mother hung literally on his father, yelling at the whole house - help me keep it - the men and I barely kept my father - the father already took up the ax
      2. Xnumx vis 27 January 2020 18: 15 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Now I am scolded, minded, but I consider this “something” to be genetically incorrigible and subject to disposal. This its not to fix. And sooner or later he will strike. So, maybe immediately dispose of?

        I won’t minus ... The hand twitched to put a minus ... Now you can send me to the minus. - But .. I consider one of the best means of education a huge monetary fine ... Slap youngster a fine of five hundred thousand rubles and shift the fine for infancy on daddy and mommy !!! ..... Parents will tear with a belt son from morning to evening .... Take control under the strictest control and will create a camp for re-educating difficult teenagers at home ...
        1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 18: 51 New
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          Quote: 30 vis
          Slap a fine of five hundred thousand rubles to the youngster and transfer the fine for infancy to daddy and mommy !!! ..... Parents will tear the son out with a belt from morning till night .... Take strict control and create a camp for the little son to re-educate difficult teenagers on home ...

          They will not tear. Dad and mom will thump from morning to evening and will drool over them with drool at the fact that they accidentally, by drinking, were born.

          And a fine .. At least 500 thousand, at least 500 million - “I don’t have money and dump your fines with me.” Penalties apply to the person with whom you can take them. And they do not care for lumpen ...

          I’ve taken my father with internal bleeding to the hospital - the average speed in the city in the evening was about 150. He brought three nuts “on the tail” to the hospital. Two protocols for "excess", one for deprivation of rights for a year and a half. Everything was decided with money. Who said that we have "updated" gayts incorruptible - the enemies and propaganda are all ...
          1. Xnumx vis 27 January 2020 19: 10 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            They will not tear. Dad and mom will thump from morning to evening and will drool over them with drool at the fact that they accidentally, by drinking, were born.

            For the non-payment of the fine, daddy and mumlyu to prison ... Sonny in a juvenile colony ... It's simple ... I don’t know the contingent of your friends, I have an opinion from communicating with people about reducing drinking. Declassed elements ... The bulk is hard and stubbornly trying to live a human life .. it’s not fashionable now for young men to plump and wallow in ditches ... Ashtraf is a powerful thing ... In my youth, I foolishly sat down to play with the aces of this business ... I lost 250 rubles .. Which is for the end of the seventies years a very decent amount ... I'm in the ninth grade ... I tried sell 8 albums of their stamps ... Was recognized by a friend of his father ... I didn’t play gambling anymore, I don’t play. I won’t play ... Even the lottery .... That's what a friendly father’s hand and a leather sailor belt mean ..... Good memory to my father .... Destroyer commander
            1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 19: 36 New
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              Quote: 30 vis
              Lost 250 rubles .. That for the end of the seventies a very decent amount ...

              7 thousand in August 89th. In poker. Also to hell. Since then, I play cards only in "du_raka"
              That's what a friendly father's hand and a leather sailor belt mean ..... Good memory to my father .... destroyer commander

              My left in December - Lieutenant Colonel of the Airborne Forces, fought on three continents for 20 years, "iconostasis" like Dear Leonid Ilyich. He brought a splinter from Africa - it reached a certain artery.
              In Afghanistan, even saw him briefly, really. He only managed to hug me and say: “Serve, do not dishonor your father”. He tried, as best he could, not to dishonor.
            2. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 19: 41 New
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              Quote: 30 vis
              ..In his youth, by stupidity, he sat down to play trynka with the aces of this business ... Lost 250 rubles

              Just no offense. Barbacar "I am a cheater" There you will find out so much) I am silent about myself, it was the case when it was badly hunted by this. But not impudent. No pants left.
              So for may help pass the time in the company
              1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 20: 09 New
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                Barbacaru "I'm a sharpie"

                Read in the early 2000s. A very useful book for those who think that he is smarter than everyone ...
          2. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 19: 19 New
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            Quote: Zoldat_A
            They will not tear. Dad and mom will thump from morning till night and drool them with drool at the fact that they accidentally, by drinking, were born

            That's it.
            I generally can not understand why someone should raise MY child ????
            Well, you don’t want, or you can’t hand it over to the orphanage. Why shift responsibility for upbringing to others?
            The street is so educating that you have to carry the jail boxes all your life
            1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 19: 47 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              The street is so educating that you have to carry the jail boxes all your life

              I had a "cousin" cousin, Sasha. He himself did not remember how many criminal records he had. The first was on the "youngster", the third - went into the army, so as not to sit down. It didn’t help - to the disbath completely thundered, and from the disbat to the zone.

              Why am I doing this? But to what. He lived to almost 60, until he woke up in a filed in his throat - how much grief did he bring to people?
              The first time - anyone can stumble. Well, the second, anything can happen ... There is no third time by chance - like my "brother". The third time - to the wall for any article. At least for the pocket, at least for the stowaway in the trolley. There is no third time by chance. RDC. A RCD - only shoot.
              1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 19: 57 New
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                I know who counted the amount who after the first time did not sit down again. And how many in the zones disappeared .... Yes, and went out for a while
                1. Zoldat_A 27 January 2020 20: 01 New
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                  Quote: Lipchanin
                  I know who counted the amount who after the first time did not sit down again. And how many in the zones disappeared .... Yes, and went out for a while

                  Here I am about the same ...
    4. yustas 27 January 2020 18: 15 New
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      Here's how it is missing, women Masha, with a mop and a wet rotten rag .... which everyone was afraid of
  2. Ramadan 27 January 2020 14: 22 New
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    If the child is not particularly busy with anything, then bad thoughts begin to climb into his head ....
    1. Same lech 27 January 2020 14: 26 New
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      If the child is not particularly busy with anything, then bad thoughts begin to climb into his head ...


      What thoughts can be in an empty attic ... from impunity all this.
      1. stalki 27 January 2020 14: 33 New
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        What thoughts can be in an empty attic.
        There is a good reason for the empty attic. Lack of proper attention from guess who? States and parents. But first of all the state. And then they start to catch boobies when the personality is almost formed and with topologies in the mind.
        1. Same lech 27 January 2020 14: 37 New
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          Teachers are trying to reach the child’s consciousness ... but he doesn’t give a damn about it ... it means that other forms of influencing this consciousness need more effective ... fines, expulsion from school ... tolerance for such children is then expensive for society.
          1. stalki 27 January 2020 14: 46 New
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            Teachers are trying to reach the child’s consciousness ... but he doesn’t give a damn about it ... it means that other forms of influence on this consciousness need to be more effective ... fines, exclusions from school ... tolerance for such children is then expensive for society
            What century have you been living in, teachers have not been trying to reach out for a long time, they have complete problems with the state in the education system, they are given definite attitudes, the Soviet education system is ruined, and there is no new one and the state has been removed in terms of education, wake up. Parents wipe feet on teachers.
            1. Same lech 27 January 2020 14: 52 New
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              All the same, you do not need to wait until the next tragedy happens ... some other changes in terms of preventive safety for the school, in addition to the guards and various turnstiles, must be introduced.
              1. Polite Moose 27 January 2020 16: 18 New
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                Quote: The same Lech
                All the same, you do not need to wait until the next tragedy happens ... some other changes in terms of preventive safety for the school, in addition to the guards and various turnstiles, must be introduced.

                I support. Options can come up with a cloud. As an example: why not make an expulsion from school or from a university an indelible stain on all further labor activity? Or to make the role of characteristics from the place of study, with separate points from each teacher, more meaningful? How will the behavior of the Pepsikol generation change, if the very real prospect of flying past leadership positions, guaranteed restrictions on career growth, and problems in finding employment in state institutions looms ahead. And then parents will think about the contents of the skull of their offspring. And my father’s belt will be the most humane and non-costly means to correct a flaw in education.
                And then, they divorced g-syatin in schools. Of teachers made disenfranchised sheep. Moreover, also guilty of all actions of juvenile ub-kov.
                1. stalki 27 January 2020 18: 33 New
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                  I completely agree, only the Soviet system in which it was all gone, this is a systemic issue that requires great attention from the state, it is necessary to start from an early age with a kindergarten. Consciousness, worldview and character of the future person, this is a global work at all levels of personality formation. But this is not and reap what they sow. So they treat the "symptoms" in the place of the cause of the "disease"
                  1. Polite Moose 27 January 2020 23: 30 New
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                    Quote: stalki
                    a systemic issue requiring great attention from the state should be started from an early age from a kindergarten.

                    Here the idea of ​​the role of teacher and educator is stated quite specifically:
                    https://centerkik.ru/remont-i-otdelochnye-materialy/cherchill-russkii-uchitel-pobedil-v-voine-bitva-kotoruyu-vyigral.html
            2. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 15: 16 New
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              Quote: stalki
              Parents wipe feet on teachers.

              But the school is blamed
          2. Ingvar 72 27 January 2020 15: 05 New
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            Teachers are trying to reach the consciousness of the child ..

            No longer trying. If only to work hours, and all. The problem is one - the lack of ideology, and a holy place, as you know, does not happen empty. Leavened patriotism, professed by "our" power, cannot even be called an ideology. There used to be October people, pioneers, but now? Nashi Anashists? So there, their "leaders" to the West choked. Ugh!
            Even pendosov scout movement is better organized. request
          3. region58 27 January 2020 16: 19 New
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            Quote: The same Lech
            other forms of exposure to this consciousness are more effective

            Show ads more often. Here is one.
            1. Terenin 27 January 2020 18: 08 New
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              Quote: region58
              Quote: The same Lech
              other forms of exposure to this consciousness are more effective

              Show ads more often. Here is one.

              For me, a great movie.
              Only this "movie hero", when studying the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, says that he stole the wallet from the teacher, although by video, this is not a theft, but a robbery. Therefore, such a term. Although maybe this is only his first lesson in the zone winked
          4. PSih2097 27 January 2020 16: 25 New
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            Quote: The same Lech
            Teachers are trying to reach the child’s consciousness ... but he doesn’t give a damn about it ...

            And who is to blame? The state with its juvenile policy ... The teacher was seen in a photo in a swimsuit from the south in classmates / FB - yeah, molestation and inappropriate behavior (and the fact that this teenager saw and tricked a teen hangs on a screw on a screw, and subscriptions to different porn sites - so it’s nothing, he’s a child), now there are at least 3 supervisors per teacher and he (by the way, like doctors) needs to fill in so many pieces of paper that his mother doesn’t grieve.
            when I was at school, most of all we were afraid of our Englishwoman (156cm tall), she could put a pointer on her fingers and a meter on her back - for that, in English competitions she always won prizes ...
            So it is the state in the first place, and only then the family. (This, of course, provided that the family does not have an older generation who can and should be accustomed to order).
        2. Edik 27 January 2020 14: 41 New
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          Quote: stalki
          Lack of proper attention from guess who? States and parents.

          Well, here’s how to say, for example, I’m against the government getting into my family! First they will teach life, then they will follow, knock, then they will raise your child for you, and then they will take them out of the family! Carefully play such games.
          1. stalki 27 January 2020 14: 49 New
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            Well, here’s how to say, for example, I’m against the government getting into my family! First they will teach life, then they will follow, knock, then they will raise your child for you, and then they will take them out of the family! Carefully play such games.
            Stupid, that's not much to say.
            1. Edik 27 January 2020 15: 07 New
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              Quote: stalki
              Stupid, that's not much to say.

              Sergei tell this to people who have lost their children in countries where juvenile justice is rampant! Here you will raise your son, slap him in the pope, and your neighbor will knock that you are cruel to the child! You will come and see your child more! Examples? They are full in the internet .. Remember the case of our compatriot who kidnapped his children and miraculously reached Russia! I say that you must carefully play such serious things!
              1. stalki 27 January 2020 15: 16 New
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                Sergei tell this to people who have lost their children in countries where juvenile justice is rampant! Here you will raise your son, slap him in the pope, and your neighbor will knock that you are cruel to the child! You will come and see your child more! Examples? They are full in the internet .. Remember the case of our compatriot who kidnapped his children and miraculously reached Russia! I say that you must carefully play such serious things!
                I don’t know how you bring up children, but I’ll say that I bring up my children without hands, this is not necessary, even the most persistent child is responsive to love and trust.
                1. Edik 27 January 2020 15: 22 New
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                  I don’t know how you bring up children, but I’ll say that I bring up my children without hands, this is not necessary, even the most persistent child is responsive to love and trust.

                  Well, I see how wonderful father you are! But not everyone succeeds like you do! Some people use a strap to consolidate information. But be sure and there is an article on you if you wish!
                  1. stalki 27 January 2020 15: 43 New
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                    Well, I see how wonderful father you are! But not everyone succeeds like you do! Some people use a strap to consolidate information. But be sure and there is an article on you if you wish!
                    Well, shake. The law has not been settled yet, but you are already in a fever. It’s just that you have to comply with the laws if they exist, and if you don’t like it, protest in the legal field and change it, but you can’t not lament it.
                    1. Edik 27 January 2020 15: 52 New
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                      Quote: stalki
                      It’s just that you have to comply with the laws if they exist, and if you don’t like it, protest in the legal field and change it, but you can’t not lament it.

                      Sergey is somehow difficult with you!
                      What do I want to convey to you? That it all starts with a small one, and then juvenile laws come under the pressure of such a public! And I don’t moan, but I don’t want someone to climb into my family with their “good” intentions!
                      1. stalki 27 January 2020 16: 00 New
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                        Sergey is somehow difficult with you!
                        What do I want to convey to you? That it all starts with a small one, and then juvenile laws come under the pressure of such a public! And I don’t moan, but I don’t want someone to climb into my family with their “good” intentions!
                        So you also do not understand me, but I am difficult to communicate, I apologize. But look on the other hand, the law will be adopted, what not to observe? I, too, having drunk such laws, but laws require enforcement. If this does not suit you, there are two options, either to look for a country where there are no such laws, or to defend your interests in a civilized way.
                2. Korax71 27 January 2020 18: 56 New
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                  Of course, I am not an expert in education, but it seems to me that the vast majority of members of the forum as a child flew from their parents "for the jambs". Yes, it was possible to catch a bream on the street from adult uncles, for inappropriate behavior, and then at home from parents, for prophylaxis. I’m not saying that assault is good, but blowing off dust is not good either. Everything should be done.
          2. Same lech 27 January 2020 14: 50 New
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            , for example, I am against the state climbing into my family!

            And I am against ... but the problem is what to do with a child who threatens the health and life of his peers and teachers?
            How not to harm this dangerous child to instill in him the generally accepted values ​​of good and evil?
            1. Ingvar 72 27 January 2020 15: 09 New
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              Quote: The same Lech
              How not to harm this dangerous child to instill in him the generally accepted values ​​of good and evil?

              By rods. I have not seen a single person spoiled by a belt, many of us were flogged in childhood, and over the years, we understand what the matter is. But the lack of punishment with a belt spoiled many.
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                By rods. I have not seen a single person spoiled by a belt, many of us were flogged in childhood, and over the years, we understand what the matter is. But the lack of punishment with a belt spoiled many.

                I agree with you !! Sometimes it’s very difficult to bring some things to the child without this.
            2. AU Ivanov. 27 January 2020 15: 10 New
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              Special school for the difficult to educate. Educational labor colony.
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                Special school for the difficult to educate. Educational labor colony.

                And here I do not agree with you, juvenile criminals come out of there, moreover frostbite than scumbags of the 90s.
                They should not be driven there, but in army schools, so that everything according to the charter is from lifting to hanging up - and so what would dream to get to the bed, then it might make sense.
            3. Edik 27 January 2020 15: 12 New
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              Quote: The same Lech
              And I am against ... but the problem is what to do with a child who threatens the health and life of his peers and teachers?

              Attention should be given to the child, to explain everything, to write in the sports section! If you can’t do it yourself, then you need to contact a psychologist, there must be a reason! It’s just that nothing happens.
            4. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 15: 21 New
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              Quote: The same Lech
              How not to harm this dangerous child to instill in him the generally accepted values ​​of good and evil?

              Did it occur to you to arrange a slaughterhouse at school? Perhaps your Parents instilled the values ​​of good and evil?
              1. PSih2097 27 January 2020 16: 39 New
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                Did it occur to you to arrange a slaughterhouse at school? Perhaps your Parents instilled the values ​​of good and evil?

                Personally, I DO NOT, but take one - another around the corner - why not - one on one (school unofficial law) ...
                1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 16: 49 New
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                  Quote: PSih2097
                  but take one - the other around the corner - why not -

                  So we all fought around the corner. It’s just that it didn’t occur to arrange a massacre
                  1. PSih2097 27 January 2020 16: 56 New
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                    So we all fought around the corner. It’s just that it didn’t occur to arrange a massacre

                    here I am about the same thing, no knives, brass knuckles, baseball bats - nothing - just fists - for friends, girls ...
                    1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 17: 05 New
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                      here I am about the same thing, no knives, brass knuckles, baseball bats - nothing - just fists - for friends, girls ...

                      And do not beat the recumbent. And not with a girl. Well, holy to the first blood
                      1. PSih2097 27 January 2020 17: 12 New
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                        Yes, in our time there were concepts (laws of the street) and we followed them, now youngsters do not have brakes from the word "in general".
                      2. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 18: 22 New
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                        yes, in our time there were concepts (laws of the street) and we followed them, now youngsters have no brakes from the word "in general

                        In the company where I grew up and educated, even a knife could not be carried in my pocket. The older guys taught us that, and then we taught the younger ones.
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                        even a knife could not be carried in a pocket.

                        got a knife - use, no? what the hell is he for you ...
          3. Same lech 27 January 2020 16: 58 New
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            Did it occur to you to arrange a slaughterhouse at school?

            Never ... I had completely different heroes ... not those from Columbariums and from school-chewing, but from the novels of Jules Verne, Efremov, Tolstoy, Lermontov, etc.
            1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 18: 25 New
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              Never ... I had completely different heroes

              Now I have no idea what heroes the young have.
              And not sure what they read books
      2. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 18: 09 New
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        Well, here's how to say, for example, I am against the state climbing into my family!

        I refused to communicate, but here I don’t know how much% I agree. My child and I must educate him and be responsible for him
    2. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 15: 14 New
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      But first of all the state.

      About how the President should educate other people's children?
      What are parents for? Poking your nose?
      Do you bring up your children yourself, or did you trust someone else’s uncle?
      1. PSih2097 27 January 2020 16: 47 New
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        About how the President should educate other people's children?

        no, he must fight the government and the State Duma with the Federation Council for his internal policy, and if he doesn’t manage, he must take measures, but what kind of presidential republic we have, where the decrees of the head of state begin to be ignored at the government level and then downward. ..
        And by the way, yes - a country governed by banks will never be socially oriented.
        1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 17: 10 New
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          I do not understand what this has to do with raising a child? He was born and immediately got to the bank? PARENTS must educate !!!! And the banks have nothing to do with it. Well what the hell for raising my child government ?????
          1. PSih2097 27 January 2020 17: 23 New
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            So, I realized that it’s hard to understand ...
            I repeat, first of all, the state, and what is the state --...
            parents - they plow, and not at one job, to provide the child with everything necessary, and if not enough, where?
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Well what the hell for raising my child government ?????

            and who determines the curriculum in kindergarten, at school ???
            1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 18: 33 New
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              I repeat, first of all, the state,

              So the state is I.
              Where does the child spend more time?
              Well, I do not want and did not want ELEMENTARY things like DON'T steal someone told him, but not me
              Well, why should my child be brought up ?????
              I’m completely silent about school. Do not tell me why schools exist?
              It seems like giving education. LEARN.
              1. PSih2097 28 January 2020 00: 24 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                So the state is I.

                This is what you think, and not the Rothschilds with Putin and the Rockefellers with the Bear ...
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Where does the child spend more time?

                at school or in kindergarten, the program of which, again, is determined by the government of GDP.
                Quote: Lipchanin
                Well, I do not want and did not want ELEMENTARY things like DON'T steal someone told him, but not me

                see above...
                Quote: Lipchanin
                I’m completely silent about school. Do not tell me why schools exist?

                again see above ...
                Quote: Lipchanin
                It seems like giving education. LEARN.

                yet again...
                you know, when I first saw the textbooks of my nephew - I am ofigel, and in the most obscene sense of the word ... (it’s good that I had Soviet textbooks in all subjects + a digit for the tablet).
                I have a grandmother, Honored Teacher of the USSR in Russian and Ukrainian Language and Literature, my mother and father graduated from the Polytechnic with three and a good, I myself graduated from high school with a silver medal and MPEI with five well.
                But what is happening with the secondary, secondary special and higher is an ass ...
    3. yustas 27 January 2020 18: 21 New
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      Well, yes, first of all, the state is responsible for the children, and parents, is that so, from the word to give birth? You, as my ex, argues, the sadid should prepare, teach the school .... and damn the parents only need to shove, so that the children would be? Or are parents responsible for the children? Parents should at least put something into their heads, and they should definitely help and explain, the school provides a superficial education, and parents must and must explain and explain! !!!
      1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 18: 54 New
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        the school provides a superficial education, and parents must and must explain and explain! !!!

        Eye of one crying in the wilderness ....
      2. AU Ivanov. 27 January 2020 21: 25 New
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        Parents and only parents are responsible for the children. The school should give knowledge, without imposing any ideologies. Educate - parents. If you want the child to be raised by the state, take him to an orphanage.
        1. PSih2097 27 January 2020 23: 02 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Parents and only parents are responsible for the children. The school should give knowledge, without imposing any ideologies.

          It was in the USSR, and not in the Russian Federation ...
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Educate - parents. If you want the child to be raised by the state, take him to an orphanage.

          now without you, and your opinion will be sent to the orphanage (juvenile taxis) ...
          1. PSih2097 28 January 2020 00: 04 New
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            It was in the USSR, and not in the Russian Federation ...

            Remember how We strove ...

            Yes, even if you were a musician, they tried to put you on a horn or a drum, and it didn't matter that you studied at the FaNo - you learned to be a horn or a drum, only to please your neighbor, an excellent pupil, who liked it .. .
    4. Xnumx vis 27 January 2020 20: 43 New
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      Lack of proper attention from guess who? States and parents. But first of all the state.

      Everything comes from the family ... Strong good families, caring for their children. Direct and indirect parenting (by example!), Friendly, trusting relationships with children are the best parenting. It is necessary to love your children .. Prepare for a meeting with reality ... The state is impersonal and soulless .. The state is the law ... The car ... It is better not to get under the car.
      1. stalki 27 January 2020 21: 36 New
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        Everything comes from the family ... Strong good families, caring for their children. Direct and indirect parenting (by example!), Friendly, trusting relationships with children are the best parenting. It is necessary to love your children .. Prepare for a meeting with reality ... The state is impersonal and soulless .. The state is the law ... The car ... It is better not to get under the car.
        Previously, the state was not impersonal, there was an ideology that many now brand, there was the institution of the family, so to speak. Parents were under state supervision and respected teachers and educators. And the councils took and cheered for their children, and all this was one. And now, yes, capitalism, have it in ... you know where. The social vector was replaced by a personal one and everything, the institution of the family collapsed, norms turned into officialdom, moral guidelines and lighthouses were destroyed, goals and tasks were changed in an avalanche-like state, generations of the nineties, who are now fathers and mothers, fell into social, moral and religious holes . The state and the family are now two shores of a vast abyss. You can arbitrarily criticize each other and the government with all its offices, but the fact is a fact. Generations have been missed and the vector of the country has changed, we must start from what we have, take ourselves together and move on, correcting everything and we must start from ourselves. And to change, I don’t know how, but to change this impersonal state system of education and culture.
        1. Xnumx vis 27 January 2020 22: 41 New
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          The law is always soulless. Hit the millstone of the state machine is not food. It was, is and will always be .. Memories of that. how the state treated a person before a soul, this is nostalgia for the times of youth and fantasies about social justice .. People themselves form a good attitude towards each other. A normal decent leader, a good wise teacher, a decent policeman - a policeman, a conscientious (conscientious!) Official .., friends who are not indifferent to your (God forbid) misfortune .. Unfortunately, there are scum ... We are all the state! !
          1. stalki 27 January 2020 23: 47 New
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            Unfortunately, there are scum ... We are all the state !!
            As you can see, “we are the state” is not very inspiring, well, we hope we can handle it wink
      2. yustas 2 February 2020 12: 29 New
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        . The state is impersonal and soulless
        the state, these are people, many have become really indifferent and soulless, both to other people's children and to their neighbors .. you should have seen the eyes of a neighbor when he came to ask for a puncher from me, and the puncher is old, I went and made holes for it , for nothing, he looked at me as a patient at first .. and then he understood. In the summer, my children helped to lift bicycles and bought mineral water. So, whoever treats him receives that. I personally remember that with an alliance with me, the parents of all the neighbors knew and all helped each other, with minor exceptions. Now, on the contrary, they help with minor exceptions, unfortunately
  3. Ramadan 27 January 2020 14: 36 New
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    That’s why it’s empty in the child, so that he would be engaged and fill
  4. LiSiCyn 27 January 2020 14: 42 New
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    We have already disassembled this case. The kid is inadequate. Nursed with him at school, but it was necessary to drive. Janitor and loader, education is not needed yet.
    1. polar fox 27 January 2020 14: 51 New
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      We have already disassembled this case. The kid is inadequate. Nursed with him at school, but it was necessary to drive. Janitor and loader, education is not needed yet.

      and this! thank you "Mr. Vasilieva, who" alternatively "gifted into general schools stuffed, closing special schools ...
    2. Pytnik 27 January 2020 14: 53 New
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      How do you know how life will turn? We have a normal man as a janitor, a higher education, in the 90s he worked in the current Rosoboronexport, went into business and did not work out with him, so keep your opinion about janitors and movers, otherwise you are no different from Vodonaeva and her " cattle "!!!
      1. LiSiCyn 27 January 2020 15: 54 New
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        So I have at work, there are loaders with a "tower" so what? I mean, not skilled labor, where education is not required. If the child is inadequate, not only does he not study, he does not give it to others. And no methods (persuasion) have any effect on him. He hit the teacher in the face. Babysit him further? They wrote correctly above, we need special schools. In my time, silk came back from them.
        Quote: Pytnik
        keep your opinion to yourself, otherwise you are no different from Vodonaeva

        Are you threatening me? Here people are going to express their opinion ... But you suggest to shut up. Or maybe you should be silent and not compare strangers to you?
        1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 16: 52 New
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          They wrote correctly above, we need special schools. In my time, silk came back from them.

          It’s like a dizbat. You can’t think of any more
          1. LiSiCyn 27 January 2020 17: 13 New
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            Someone yes, and someone no. And, from the disbath, people returned. With a complete reevaluation.
            Quote: Lipchanin
            At one time I could not even imagine being rude to an older person

            This "boy" hit an elderly woman in the face. Do you propose to clatter with it further? Can't parents deal with him, educate him right? Let them try in a special institution. Sometimes, just sightseeing is enough. If my son does this, I’ll fill his first face. Here I am in solidarity with Taras Bulba.
            1. Same lech 27 January 2020 17: 30 New
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              This "boy" hit an elderly woman in the face.

              Such boys then become humanoid animals.
              In the Leningrad region, two schoolchildren raped an employee of the post office. This was reported by the press service of the Main Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the city and the region.

              On Saturday evening, January 18, the 24-year-old operator of the Russian Post ended up in the private house of the horticultural non-profit partnership Starye Chernitsy in Gatchinsky District, where unfamiliar teenagers abused her: a 16-year-old student at the Maritime District Maritime School and a 16-year-old student School number 218.

              https://78.ru/news/2020-01-20/v_gatchine_shkolniki_iznasilovali_sotrudnicu_pochti?utm_medium=mycom&utm_source=iz.ru
              1. LiSiCyn 27 January 2020 17: 41 New
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                Quote: The same Lech
                Such boys then become humanoid animals.

                Accurate Alex ... And then, here some will rush to the defense
                Quote: Pytnik
                keep your opinion to yourself, otherwise you are no different from Vodonaeva with her "cattle" !!!

                Mouth ordered to shut and be silent lol
            2. yustas 27 January 2020 18: 33 New
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              I agree with you! I always taught my own to protect and preserve, but the first two classes constantly went to the derektrissa. And always, in the end, my son was right. And he, already in the 4th grade, was respected by high school students and in the morning they greeted him by the hand, he was not afraid and did in the second grade what many were afraid of, namely, put in place 6 classmates ... then their parents wrote statements to the police that their children were beaten. But in fact, it turned out that their children were all in the school, and no one touched them, because their parents were in the police, and my son rebuffed, because he was brought up that way. The only negative in this story is that I had a service behind me, thanks to which the parents of inadequate children could not do anything with me and the child, although there were threats.
            3. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 18: 35 New
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              And, from the disbath, people returned. With a complete reevaluation.

              Well, I'm talking about it
      2. Rusland 27 January 2020 17: 35 New
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        How do you know how life will turn? We have a normal man as a janitor, a higher education, in the 90s he worked in the current Rosoboronexport, went into business and did not work out with him, so keep your opinion about janitors and movers, otherwise you are no different from Vodonaeva and her " cattle "!!!

        Ay-yai-yay, started for health, and drank for peace. stop
      3. Krasnodar 27 January 2020 18: 15 New
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        Did you personally communicate with Vodonaeva? At one time (beginning of the 10s), every 8 approximately Russian children who were being treated abroad got there with the money she collected.
        1. WILL 27 January 2020 19: 49 New
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          I - personally talked with Vodonaeva, she is Tyumenka, studied for a class younger in the same school with me.
          Albert, do you think she did it at the call of her heart? Just a PR action! And where did you get these numbers? About every eighth child?
          Chulpan Khamatova, Marat Basharov, Dmitry Khabensky with the foundation Give life - that's who sent the children to be treated!
          1. Krasnodar 28 January 2020 06: 03 New
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            I came across Khamatova, (with payment for children), I came across Khabensky (the same way), and Vodonaeva did not PR about this - I just know through whom they paid in two Israeli and one German Hospitals.
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        3. Edik 27 January 2020 21: 26 New
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          Did you personally communicate with Vodonaeva?

          You must be confused with Natalia Vodianova hi
          In our city, a large children's park was made her foundation, the people call Vodyanovsky! She herself came to the opening! Thank you very much for that !!!
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            Maybe by the way. Traveler - I apologize
  5. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 15: 11 New
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    What thoughts can be in an empty attic ... from impunity all this.

    From parents who absolutely do not care about children. We bought a computer, a smartphone and believe that the parental duty has been completed.
    At one time I could not even imagine being rude to an older person
    1. Ingvar 72 27 January 2020 15: 23 New
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      Quote: Lipchanin
      We bought a computer, a smartphone and believe that the parental duty has been completed.

      In a society where the cult of mindless consumption is considered the main ideology, it cannot be otherwise. And ideology always comes from above. Accordingly, this is the same.
      1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 15: 37 New
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        In a society where the cult of mindless consumption is considered the main ideology, it cannot be otherwise.

        And who is this society? Parents not a society?
        1. Ingvar 72 27 January 2020 15: 43 New
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          And who is this society? Parents not a society?

          Yes, the same society. But only part of it.
          1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 15: 51 New
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            Yes, the same society. But only part of it

            Then why nod to someone? Can I start with myself?
            1. Ingvar 72 27 January 2020 16: 09 New
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              Quote: Lipchanin
              Then why nod to someone? Can I start with myself?
              I already explained to you above -
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And ideology always comes from above.
              1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 16: 58 New
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                Do not understand. What does ideology have to do with it? I did not raise a child according to ideology. According to human values. Or do you need the "leading role of the party"? What does MY upbringing have and whose ideology is it? I raised a child as a man and not as an ideologist
                1. yustas 27 January 2020 18: 40 New
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                  From me, to you, plus, dear! My father raised me the same way and I also raise my son!
      2. yustas 27 January 2020 18: 37 New
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        Hello my friend! With the past you. I absolutely agree with you! But there are exceptions.) And yes, congratulations, my son in the Brain ring on the history of Siberia took 3rd place)
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          Although, his, 3rd place is my flaw (but still)
      3. AU Ivanov. 27 January 2020 21: 29 New
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        We do not have a state ideology and thank God. Article 13 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
        1. Ingvar 72 28 January 2020 08: 52 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          and thank God.

          It depends on which God to praise. If a golden calf, then yes, your prayers are answered.
          1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 10: 47 New
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            We have 53 political parties in Russia. Which ideology should be taken as official?
            1. Ingvar 72 28 January 2020 12: 31 New
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              The one that will not set the task of education is to educate a competent consumer.
              1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 12: 43 New
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                And who gave you the right to decide for others, what ideas should be hammered into the heads of children? There should be no ideology or religion in the school. If you want to shoe your child ideologically, this is your right, create electives, circles, similar to Sunday schools of the Russian Orthodox Church.
                1. Ingvar 72 28 January 2020 12: 56 New
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                  And who gave you the right to decide for others, what ideas should be hammered into the heads of children?

                  And who gave the state the right to grow not a human creator, as in the Union, but an asexual creature with a red diploma in consumerism? Andrei, tell me honestly, if you had a choice, to send your child to a Soviet school, or this year, which one would you send to?
                  1. AU Ivanov. 28 January 2020 13: 07 New
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                    The state should not grow people, we don’t live in a shelter.
                    I would definitely not send children to the Soviet school. They are individuals, not cogs. And clog their heads with ideas
                    and I will not allow other currents, even the most fiery. To study them - as much as you want, as part of the course of history. So that I would give to the current school, for all its shortcomings.
                  2. yustas 2 February 2020 12: 38 New
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                    I would definitely give it to Sovetskaya, to me personally no one there bogged my head with the nonsense of ideology, but they taught me to think! They did not teach the correct answers, but to receive the correct result. Because of this, my rank at the institute was increased, I then argued with the teacher of electromechanics and turned out to be right! There was a typo in the problem book and the electronic circuit turned out to be incorrect, then they put me as an example, it was nice, honest pioneer)
  • Lipchanin 27 January 2020 15: 30 New
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    If the child is not particularly busy with anything,

    And who should take it? I AM? I'm not enough for everyone
  • FORCE 38GB 27 January 2020 16: 02 New
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    The truth in your words! Plus you +
  • solzh 27 January 2020 14: 31 New
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    I sometimes compare the times when I was a teenager and today's students ... The difference is enormous! Could the Internet and the lack of any values ​​be to blame?
    1. bk316 27 January 2020 14: 34 New
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      The difference is huge!

      In what?
      1. solzh 27 January 2020 14: 38 New
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        In everything. Starting from a simple relationship between peers, somehow humiliating teenagers of their own (we had the same cases of bullying by others, but not as cruel as now), and to these:
        the teenager gathered a group of peers who were also embraced by the propaganda of “cheloving”. As a result, the group decided to carry out an attack on their own school.

        We didn’t even think about it.
        1. bk316 27 January 2020 15: 00 New
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          In all.

          What has changed the number of legs or began to levitate?

          humiliation by adolescents

          bullshit it was

          the teenager gathered a group of peers who were also embraced by the propaganda of “cheloving”

          yes, but it’s obvious because of the Internet, not in the sense of liberalism, but in the sense of high communicability ...
    2. Tamparu 27 January 2020 14: 37 New
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      Could the Internet and the lack of any values ​​be to blame?

      It can not, but is one of the main reasons !!!
      Especially the lack of values ​​!!!
      Liberalism ... our mother !!!
      Sincerely, hi
    3. Free wind 27 January 2020 15: 54 New
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      And what about the Internet? It’s just that in the days of my childhood, a teacher could weigh such a slap in the face for any fault, and at home they would put a belt with his mother and father. And now mothers raise a howl, and the prosecutors seize themselves with a death grip, and the teachers quit, and these children, who are in a garbage dump from protection and with impunity, simply become impudent.
      1. solzh 27 January 2020 15: 59 New
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        And what about the Internet?

        There are too many things on the Internet, to put it mildly, bad. From the article:
        In particular, we are talking about involving so-called “school-hunting” in groups - groups of an extremist nature that disseminate information (in a positive or propaganda manner) about shooting at educational institutions.

        That is, the dissemination of information about shooting in educational institutions on the Internet.
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          The Steam service has a game of the genre “shooter” called Active Shooter by ACID. A feature of the game is that its plot is built around an attack on the school. The player can try on the skin of a killer and open fire on students and teachers or play the role of a “good guy”, joining the ranks of special forces and saving children.

          A computer without parental control, not a stronger mind. Roof rides in adolescents. Cease real life from virtual distinguishing. The results - shooting at schools and a Molotov cocktail ... And also try to take a computer from such a gamer. At best, a simple hysteria, and what's worse, the news told how a teenager killed the whole family.
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            Quote: Thick
            A computer without parental control, not a stronger mind. Roof rides in adolescents. Cease real life from virtual distinguishing.

            I completely agree. Computer, Internet should be under the control of parents. Otherwise, troubles cannot be avoided.
    4. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 18: 41 New
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      Quote: solzh
      and lack of any values?

      And who should instill these values ​​in him? Uncle from the street, or PARENTS ????
      What are you all on the Internet bring down? Drive cars, but how many under the wheels every day did not think to die?
      1. solzh 27 January 2020 18: 56 New
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        Quote: Lipchanin
        or PARENTS ???

        Are only parents? Is there no teacher? But should society probably not give a damn about what is happening? So do you think?
        Quote: Lipchanin
        What are you all on the Internet bring down?

        And on the Internet, the so-called darknet does not exist, where everyone ... From the article:
        In particular, we are talking about involving in the group the so-called “school-hunting” - extremist groups that are involved in the dissemination of information

        It’s not on the Internet, it’s probably on the TV ...
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Drive cars, but how many under the wheels every day did not think to die?

        You will be surprised, but I don’t have a car, I don’t even know which side it starts up with. And about the deaths under the wheels, they always talk about it, but for some reason they can’t put things in order, tighten them up, in issuing a driver’s license. Drivers often drive under the influence of alcohol and / or drugs, who should solve this problem? Parents? Or maybe our drivers come across such "responsible" ones. Speeding on the roads is this the same parents should decide or maybe there should be a driving culture for drivers?
        1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 20: 20 New
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          Quote: solzh
          Are only parents? Is there no teacher?

          Significantly tired of speaking truths
          The teacher must teach Algebra, Russian, Foreign .. and so on.
          I repeat once again LEARN.
          What to steal. and you can’t use drugs. PARENTS must tell !!!!!
          They gave birth and left and let my aunts bring up uncles ?????
          Why are you needed? Give to the orphanage.
          Or how should a teacher wipe her ass?
          What have you been doing for 7 years?
          They expected that who will begin to bring up your child?
          How do you want to blame everything on others?
          1. solzh 27 January 2020 20: 24 New
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            TEACHER must teach

            The fact of the matter is that the teacher must TEACH, not teach! And what you described is teaching ...
            What to steal. and you can’t use drugs. PARENTS must tell !!!!!

            I repeat once again:
            But should society probably not give a damn about what is happening? So do you think?
            1. AU Ivanov. 27 January 2020 21: 32 New
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              The teacher must give knowledge. Including the fact that theft is a criminal offense, and drugs are killed. To educate is the task of parents.
    5. yustas 2 February 2020 12: 40 New
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      Well, no, I'm a programmer, and it so happened that the child recognized the computer early. But he is in the 4th grade, already using it, not only for games, but also as a huge library of knowledge
  • rocket757 27 January 2020 14: 32 New
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    They are a difficult case .... hardly our ancestors looked at our throwing with approval.
    Now you don’t know what to do and how to stop it.
    Interestingly, but what about the parents of their children? how will these children behave later in relation to them?
  • Rusland 27 January 2020 14: 33 New
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    It looks like this is a "new-old" disease, prepared by the bourgeois "partners" in a team with Navalny, a shkolota, "Doshirak" which he ate at the station. Well this is what we heard and saw. To the deepest regret.
    1. Ingvar 72 27 January 2020 15: 12 New
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      Quote: Rusland
      It seems that this is a "new-old" disease, prepared by the bourgeois "partners" in harness with Navalny

      Navalny has nothing to do with it - thank Fursenko and his boss.
      1. Rusland 27 January 2020 15: 15 New
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        Then Fursenko and his boss will be sent away, and we will hang Navalny on your shoulders, drag him further. yes
        1. Ingvar 72 27 January 2020 15: 20 New
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          Bulk is the same rogue as your idol. And I do not prophesy him to the kingdom.
          1. Rusland 27 January 2020 15: 23 New
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            An interesting movie, and who is my idol, let's go to the studio. Give the candidacy of your king, maybe we have one in common. request
  • usr01 27 January 2020 14: 33 New
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    Flog !!!! Only flog! and make digging - from the fence to dinner !!!!!!!!!!
    So that bad thoughts do not go into your head !!!
  • Sergei 23 27 January 2020 14: 36 New
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    There was every class and class. And the collective farm to the collective farm. In vocational schools, the first year is generally tin. Well, so that “chelting” ???
  • knn54 27 January 2020 14: 39 New
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    Works (teachers, parents, psychologists) -REPRETRICT edge. There can be many reasons: bullying by classmates, dysfunctional family, death of loved ones, psychological deviations. Computer "fun" ...
    We need patriotic youth movements, WIDE coverage by sports sections. Blocking by Roskomnadzor of any sites. Transfer, for example, to another school.
    The security forces, of course, worked for five.
    1. polar fox 27 January 2020 14: 52 New
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      Quote: knn54
      The security forces, of course, worked for five.

      I won’t even comment ... "they worked": they corresponded with VK and ... voila-extremism!
      1. Same lech 27 January 2020 15: 09 New
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        "worked": they corresponded with VK and ... voila-extremism!

        And if it hadn’t worked? ... and these kids would have organized a massacre at school ... in my opinion, there are plenty of examples from our school practice.
        1. polar fox 27 January 2020 15: 12 New
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          Quote: The same Lech
          And if they hadn’t worked?

          and if the grandmother would have ...? they didn’t find weapons either with them or with them. and for the "stick" they declared the whole world. I already retired, did not wait for such "operas", fortunately.
          1. Same lech 27 January 2020 15: 58 New
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            weapons were neither found nor with them.

            They searched badly ... they shot in garages from pneumatics.
  • master 52 27 January 2020 14: 47 New
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    it’s all from the fact that the system of upbringing by society has disappeared, now it is impossible to make comments to other people's children may not understand it that way. Respect for the elders zero still in the villages and then it is no longer so. it's all very sad and sad.
    1. rocket757 27 January 2020 15: 06 New
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      Quote: 52 master
      it's all from the fact that the education system of society has disappeared

      Who is guilty? What to do?
      As always, start with yourself! It is logical to return the education system to schools. Optimal, return the education system EVERYWHERE!
      Then catching, re-educating, correcting, it will be much more difficult for everyone not brought up from everywhere, if possible at all.
      1. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 15: 54 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        As always, start with yourself!

        Yes, it's easier to blame everything on the state and school, and then whining that the child is unclear what
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          Everything in the family begins and consolidates. In public places, if you do not educate, then you need to support what is traditionally laid in families.
      2. Alexey RA 27 January 2020 17: 12 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        As always, start with yourself! It is logical to return the education system to schools. Optimal, return the education system EVERYWHERE!

        Something was immediately remembered ...
        Rumata climbed the narrow steps to the second floor and, ringing spurs on the stone, headed past the classes to the office of the school prosecutor. From the classes a buzzing of voices, choral cries rushed. "Who is the king? Good Majesty. Who are the ministers? Faithful, who have no doubt ...", "... And God, our creator, said:" I curse ". And cursed ...", "... And if the horn blows twice, scatter in two as if in a chain, lowering the peaks ... "," ... But when the respondent falls into unconsciousness, end the test, without being carried away, ... "
        School, Rumata thought. The nest of wisdom. The pillar of culture ...
        © ABS. TBB.
  • Baloo 27 January 2020 15: 30 New
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    Sad story. I am fatherless. Throughout his life he saw his father three times. If only he called me when I was a kid, just like that. Mom did not allow her father to see her. I know that two twin brothers saw my sister when she was at school. They call me, but I'm embarrassed. Father is dead, and what will I say? Hello, am I your brother? Mom several times a year went on business trips for a week, then for two, then for a month. He cooked himself, washed, went to the store. Today is training, tomorrow is an aircraft modeling club, so the whole week passed. At the weekend or a circle or library in the palace of pioneers. Grew up in slums, albeit in the center of the city, but the contingent, you know, there was no one to be friends with. I once had nothing to do with stupid things.
    Psychologists should be in schools. Firstly, tell parents about career guidance, or rather, occupation. Secondly, by tests, identify children who require a special approach, or even a special school. In our school, too, there were children who were not quite adequate. They finished badly, someone drank early, there was a girl who in the 9th grade began schizophrenia on the basis of the religiosity of her parents. There were some kind of cheerful nonsense. There were fights, but not so much now to score or cripple. Today's school is a reflection of our society. Picture from life. I came to school, standing in the locker room, waiting for my daughter. Nearby, two girls of 12-13 years old took a bite of shortbread and say: let's give them to them, they are poor, they don’t even have a car.
    One of my hobbies is psychological tests. It’s interesting to look at yourself in the test mirror. The coincidence of tests with my own opinion of myself is 99%. There are tests where I can’t answer the question unequivocally, it all depends on the situation, this is just 1% mismatch. Schools need children's psychologists, defectologists, you need to cook from children's doctors. Otherwise, it will be repeated more often. I also wanted to say about the Unarme movement. Is that a sect, a caste? One outfit how much? Cadet classes. The grandson went to grade 5, they chose which one to go to. I insisted on the cadet, so what? Where are additional classes in applied sports? All the difference is two additional hours every day according to military history + everyone should buy a 15 thousand form for himself. With difficulty they transferred to a mathematical one. military history is good, but another instrumental? In a word, how not to recall the great philosopher of our modern Russian reality, Chernomyrdin. Stirlitz respect for the speed that victims were not allowed.
  • maidan.izrailovich 27 January 2020 15: 47 New
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    The fresh air of Kolyma cleans the brains well.
    If there are no children's colonies, then you need to open. For such individuals here.
    1. Baloo 27 January 2020 15: 57 New
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      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      The fresh air of Kolyma cleans the brains well.
      If there are no children's colonies, then you need to open. For such individuals here.

      We had a patient, a special forces captain, broke a leg on vacation, he was cured, but resigned. How many times after work we were left to indulge in diet 40 degree water with diet pickles, I never heard a word of mat. his colleague dohtur sweared a word after the first five drops, and this real military Russian officer, no! While we were lying, I was worried that one soldier had not been taught something, the other did not work, etc. So, about the children's colonies in the Kolyma. The captain in high school was an inveterate bully, he got this kind of mess, they managed to save him from the court and sent him to the army, then the school. With children, you need to be careful and with strangers too. Another question is that there are patients in whom the debut of schizophrenia can develop at any time, for this we need child psychologists at schools, annual testing on psychological tests. There are very simple ones, at the same time you can immediately conduct the entire class in the lesson in the form of a game.
    2. Lipchanin 27 January 2020 16: 18 New
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      Quote: maidan.izrailovich
      The fresh air of Kolyma cleans the brains well.

      Have you seen a lot of "re-educated"?
      There is such a science ....
  • tochila 27 January 2020 15: 57 New
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    Mary Ivanna will be to blame for everything! I slammed a deuce without thinking !!!
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      Quote: tochila
      Mary Ivanna will be to blame for everything! I slammed a deuce without thinking !!!

      It was in the 6th grade, the mathematician was called marpetrovna. I was provoked at the lesson, I could not restrain myself. replied. The math decided to punish me. Don’t come tomorrow without a father. I said that I do not have a father, my mother and I live together. Marpetrovna with the whole class: everything is clear, fatherless! Many years have passed, I still remember how it darkened in my eyes, how my breath caught in my breath. You need to be more careful with children, more carefully.
  • K-50 27 January 2020 16: 32 New
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    Preventive discussions were held with children and adults.

    I hope that adults exhaust a couple of belts about the seats of these students. It doesn’t reach through the head, let it reach the bottom of the brain on how to behave and the rules of social behavior. am
  • oldzek 27 January 2020 16: 35 New
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    I read your comments to the people ... and I agree in many ways ... if you don’t take up teenagers with useful, and most importantly, interesting things for them ... uuu what will be. I remember in the 50s we had a fashion for petty criminality. from my same age or perhaps half of the guys got acquainted with the zone close to my age in our village on the outskirts of Leningrad. NOBODY lived to see my age.
  • Victor March 47 27 January 2020 16: 39 New
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    Computers do not return, realize through the sale of confiscated goods. Parents will be happy and will thank the bastards in short pants to the best of their physical abilities. Pay particular attention to the organizer. Make an order when he MUST be noted in the nearest police station, and each time at the same time listen to a lecture for a couple of hours about the dangers of tobacco, alcohol, drugs and these very jokes. Will not be- deliver to the monkey and give to listen to lectures in the recording. Parents are fined a couple of hundred thousand rubles.
  • Chigi 27 January 2020 18: 08 New
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    The parents of the teenager are definitely to blame.
    This is where they need to submit the main complaints.
    Undoubtedly, there are also such teachers who would be very happy to "go to rest."
    But a child, as a rule, first comes to parents with this problem, and only after that he is already trying to solve the situation on his own.
    The participation of parents in the article is not covered, unfortunately.
    And the rest, or maybe it was like that?
    They caught the boys firing at the banks in the "garages", scared, "split" - the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB awards and respect.
    Just understand - this is not prevention, it's just lucky.

    PS: It seems very strange to discuss the purchase of shotguns by teenagers, maybe confused with the PCP of the allowed capacity?
  • Rzzz 27 January 2020 19: 09 New
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    Before you get excited about law enforcement, you need to think about whether this is fake news. Would Kostroma authorities want to draw the ranks and medals for themselves. And at the same time, raise funding for their quiet region. Caught dudes with pneuma behind the garages, and everything else is easy to finish.
    1. Chigi 27 January 2020 21: 49 New
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      In February last year, I paid my own sister 1t rubles to be hospitalized with pneumonia. Our doctors barely came out. The ambulance did not pick up, she said - go to the therapist. And she from the reception room to the hospital under the arm could only day
      We have excellent medicine, because there is someone to "talk" with, albeit for money
  • Cruel beaver 27 January 2020 22: 27 New
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    flog the lousy so that would be a week at s .... u could not sit down! the best method of suggestion, if it does not reach through the ears, through the ass will certainly reach ....... IMHO ,,
    1. Chigi 28 January 2020 22: 14 New
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      Correct solution! Flog children.
      And "parents" - to sell in the mines in South Africa.
      They don’t need a child - HA,!
      Those who need a child have some difficulties.
      But the adoption issue is not relevant yet.
  • georggy 28 January 2020 07: 55 New
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    Preventive discussions were held with children and adults. A similar work is carried out in an educational institution in order to establish the reasons that contribute to the formation of such ideas among school students.

    What about parents? Nothing to do with it? Not guilty? and ok not them? He lives simply with them in the same apartment.