The phenomenon of Alexander Lukashenko: a strange love for Russia

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The phenomenon of Alexander Lukashenko: a strange love for Russia


Belarusian imbalance


Have you ever had a feeling of some kind of imbalance when reading regular Newsconcerning Belarus?



On the one hand, a brotherly people, a brotherly country, a union state, a republic with a standard of living comparable with Russia ... And on the other hand, there are some conversations and actions that in our eyes look clearly not pro-Russian.

On the one hand, President Lukashenko, coming to meet with President Putin, stresses in every way his friendship with Russia and personally with the President of the Russian Federation, and on the other hand, Belarus does not recognize, for example, Crimea as Russian.

There are many such examples. At the same time, again, a paradox: most of us treat the Belarusian president with at least sympathy. At least, the results of several surveys at once indicate this. Lukashenko is the most popular foreign politician in Russia.

Probably, only the master of post-Soviet politics Nursultan Nazarbayev could compete with the Belarusian president for sympathy.

And we are very sympathetic to Belarus. These are the paradoxes of our perception of personality and fraternal country.

Union State Chimera


I do not pretend to be the ultimate truth. I’m just thinking with readers about our relationship with Lukashenko and with Belarus in general. What do we want from the fraternal people and its president and what do they want from us? Without templates like “for all good, against all bad”.

For many years we have been creating a chimera called the Union State. I tried to answer the question of what I mean by this big name. One state? Not. A state from two equal countries? Probably not either. Too different weight categories in Russia and Belarus. The entry of Belarus into the Russian Federation as a region? Not. So that?

I think that Belarusians are also not eager to lose their own independence. Not for some political reasons. The whole thing is much simpler. A small state can be raised economically faster. To raise the standard of living of the people and social guarantees to people. Although the movement in the opposite direction, as we see in the example of some post-Soviet states, is also quite rapid. But hope is for a good future! Yes, and raise economically with limited resources, sheer enthusiasm and shouts of Lukashenko will not work. Sooner or later, the economic "limit" will come.

Pro-Russian or pro-Western?


For me, even my own perception of the Lukashenko phenomenon is strange. Try to answer the question about the position of the Belarusian president. Is she pro-Russian or pro-Western? I for myself define it as pro-Russian. Even after another statement by Lukashenko: “The Russians are our people. True, little depends on them now. ” Strange love, isn't it? ..

We are outraged periodically by the assessment of our country, our president from Minsk. But then we quickly move away. Brothers have the right to their own opinion, to, so to speak, “bziki”. Moreover, after every real step of Moscow in response to the anti-Russian actions of the government or the president of the fraternal country, it immediately follows "we love you, we are yours."

What are we surprised at?


Here is literally the news of recent days. I’m talking about the signed decree of Lukashenko on the possibility of changing the “gas protocol”. Are you surprised? I am not at all.

Remember the recent history. Issues of energy prices for Belarus have always been a stumbling block at any meetings of the leaders of our countries. Minsk wanted to get gas and oil at domestic prices and have its own gesheft for exporting these hydrocarbons further to Europe. We argued that we were not yet a union state. And this unsolvable moment remains for the future.

Belarus is not rich in resources. And other sectors of the economy cannot give sufficient profits for sustainable development. Therefore, Minsk is forced to squeeze the maximum out of its position as a transit country of hydrocarbons. Forced to seek markets for their industrial products. Forced to make contact with states that are clearly anti-Russian. There are no others nearby.

Today it is absolutely clear to me that no union state in the version that we Russians think will be created. At least in the current realities of both Belarus and Russia. We will not achieve any political unity. Minsk almost openly shows that it is ready to cooperate in the economic field, but not in the political one. Moreover, to cooperate on their own terms.

For the "hard hand"


By the way, while working on this material, a Soviet citizen, there, deep inside my head, found an answer to the question about the popularity of Lukashenko in Russia. We, Russians, especially after the last reform, today perceive Belarus as a social state. A country where the president really does not allow any actions that worsen the lives of ordinary people.

I can’t say whether this is really so. To do this, you need to live in Belarus. I’m about my own perception, based on press reports and communication with a fairly limited number of Belarusians.

One more thing. The stiffness of Alexander Lukashenko in the liquidation of some anti-government and terrorist acts appeals to me. There was a terrorist attack - the offender was found and shot by a court verdict. Without regard to "humanity" and "humanity."

Illegal rally, meeting, procession? Organizers punished by court order. And not with fines of a hundred rubles. Alas, the Soviet I am for a "tough hand." The state must protect and defend. Order according to the law! If people respect the law, then the law will also respect people.

No, not a “farm director” and not a whipping boy


It’s hard for me to judge what is pushing Alexander Lukashenko for clearly provocative actions against Moscow. I am far from the opinion that the press stubbornly imposes that the Belarusian president is a “director of a state farm” in fact. For so many years of political activity, at the very top of international politics, Alexander G. gained political experience, has matured and does not look like a whipping boy at all.

Probably, Lukashenko’s demarche, connected with the mentioned decree, is caused by much deeper reasons. More precisely, with changes in the domestic policy of Russia in connection with the formation of a new government and future changes to the constitution. But this is a topic for future reflection ...
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  1. +14
    27 January 2020 11: 56
    "On the one hand, a brotherly people, a brotherly country, a union state, a republic with a standard of living comparable with Russia ... And on the other hand, there are some conversations and actions that in our eyes look clearly not pro-Russian."
    Indeed, it is so ... And we are very sympathetic to Belarus. These are the paradoxes of our perception of personality and fraternal country.
    1. +23
      27 January 2020 12: 07
      It’s clean and the roads are good - but only for our bumps ... but how they broke the money stream and did not immediately become brothers ...

      quote from the text:
      We, Russians, especially after the last reform, today perceive Belarus as a social state. A country where the president really does not allow any actions that worsen the lives of ordinary people.

      But father first raised the age of retirement - the inhabitants of Belarus did not even squeak .. - but a social state !!! What !!! And Evil Putin, you know what he thought up - Batkin to learn from experience !!
      1. +5
        27 January 2020 12: 10
        Quote: Nasr
        Clean and good roads - but only to our shish ...

        Lukashenko is being contacted:
        - When will we repay our debts to Russia?
        “Tomorrow at six!”
        “At six in the morning or at six in the evening?”
        - At six in the afternoon!
        Quote: Nasr
        but how they broke the brook and do not become brothers ...

        It was so with Ukraine ... I would not want to with Belarus, because there are simply no closer and dearer people.
      2. +16
        27 January 2020 12: 25
        Quite often I visit Belarus, I want to note that it is still purely on the whole, but the roads in general have become worse over 10 years, especially against the background of our "federal cars". The pro-Polishness of youth is also frightening and alarming.
        1. +2
          27 January 2020 12: 29
          Quote: skinar
          . It is also scary, alarming the proliferation of youth


          Propaganda does its job and lace panties beckon ...

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        2. +18
          27 January 2020 13: 40
          Quote: skinar
          It is also scary, alarming

          The same mechanism works as in Ukraine: why fight with Soviet people, you need to invest in youth. The scheme is worked out, there is a result
        3. 0
          28 January 2020 09: 22
          I will support with the roads and the pro-Polish youth. Repeatedly about pro-Polishness I hear from a friend of the Smolensk guide. Grit, which is hard for these tourists to tell, do not believe a single word.
      3. +11
        27 January 2020 12: 26
        Quote: Nasr
        Butska first raised the retirement age

        Tax on "parasitism", "road toll", denomination, price increases, unemployment (or rather work for a pittance), etc. Well, he simply "made happy" the Belarusian people, Putin is still very far from him.
        1. +10
          27 January 2020 12: 34
          Quote: vvvjak
          Well, he simply "made happy" the Belarusian people, Putin is still very far from him.


          But as presented by Belarus, our fighters with the Putin regime - .... today we perceive Belarus as a social state. A country where the president really does not allow any actions that worsen the lives of ordinary people

          This is not a tyrant to you Putin .. this is Belarus - a social state !!!! It turns out that to be considered a social state you just need to shut up the throat of the people - and that’s it !!! it’s business, but Putin doesn’t know about it !!!
          1. +8
            27 January 2020 12: 42
            Quote: Nasr
            It turns out that to be considered a social state you just need to shut up the throat of the people - and that’s it !!!

            Here you hit the spot. And so, to be honest, the mood of the Belarusians is "hopeless.BY". Moreover, it seems to me that it will only get worse in the future, because all the young people are looking in the direction of "foreign countries."
            1. +1
              27 January 2020 12: 49
              From that time it is time to change the ruler there .... why not ??? let the special services work and put an adequate Belarus there, let it defend the interests of the Belarusians - who is against it? BUT, NOT at the expense of Russia !!! And together with Russia.
              1. +10
                27 January 2020 13: 00
                Quote: Nasr
                From that time it is time to change the ruler there .... why not ??? let the special services work and put an adequate Belarus there, let it defend the interests of the Belarusians - who is against it? BUT, NOT at the expense of Russia !!! And together with Russia.

                So that's just the point. Can you name at least one pro-Russian politician in Belarus? For 20 years the Russian Federation "put" on the AHLu as "its own", calmly watched as the political space of the Republic of Belarus was cleared under "0". As a result, either he or his pocketbook ("zmagarou - litsvinau" can be ignored so far). And he himself will fight for power until the last Belarusian in the country.
                1. -3
                  27 January 2020 13: 06
                  Hmm ... the situation ... with Grigorich ...
              2. +11
                27 January 2020 13: 33
                Quote: Nasr
                From that time it is time to change the ruler there .... and why not

                And here is not the time to change? I think that VVP has stayed too long, has grown with "friends", the view of reality has become "blurred."
              3. +2
                27 January 2020 13: 43
                Eulampius. And what do you personally own in Russian? Who do you care about? For the assets of the Sechins, Rotenbergs, Millers, Shuvalovs? Calling to overthrow the legitimate elected President of a friendly country? This is an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Is everything all right with your head?
              4. +10
                27 January 2020 13: 50
                Quote: Nasr
                From that time it is time to change the ruler there .... why not ??? let the special services work


                Interfering in the affairs of a neighboring state? What is the difference from the United States, which intervened in Ukraine?
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          2. +6
            27 January 2020 13: 35
            Eulampius. And what can plutocratic Russia offer to the authoritarian fragment of Soviet power in the form of the Lukashenko regime? Lukashenko is doing his best to keep in the hands of the state and in the interests of all citizens of Belarus the potential that was created during the years of the Soviet Union. Without any resources, except potassium, he manages to maintain production, factories produce products, if not of world, but of demanded quality. The money earned by the economy of Belarus is invested in infrastructure, in the development and preservation of the unity of the country.
            And on the other pole - Russia, where the main juicy pieces of property, like corrupt girls, go from hand to hand. Many have already swum from Russian hands to foreign ones. The state has practically nothing left. And what is still attractive is constantly under the predatory gaze of "those who have entered the market". Already they want to take away the Russian Railways on private bottom sections. The Romanovs, when they were considering proposals for investments in the construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway, refused too close participation of private capital, since understood that the railway for Russia is more than an ordinary road. These are blood vessels that connect a huge country into a single organism. And these ghouls want to cut these arteries. And after all, the story of the Chubais scam in the energy sector is not for them.
            I'm not talking about the fact that local oligarchs have already tried to squeeze out the assets of Belarus, encroaching on one of their giants - Belorussky. And only the aggressive response of the Old Man admonished failed raiders. And the current muddy story with oil does not stimulate Belarus to take active steps for rapprochement. So, I see one way for a truly union state - the return of Russia to socialist principles. Not dusting the nose, leaving the cowards uncleaned, but a real update.
            1. +8
              27 January 2020 13: 51
              Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
              Russia's return to socialist principles. Not dusting the nose, leaving the cowards uncleaned, but a real update


              Believe in the implementation, honestly? Who is the mover?
              1. -6
                27 January 2020 13: 57
                No, I believe in the new man Putin and his new government
              2. +4
                27 January 2020 15: 44
                Yes, the objective reality is that there is no alternative to the left turn. Capitalism was blown away. This is already recognized by bourgeois economists, but they still taboo the word "socialism". A question for the near future.
        2. +1
          27 January 2020 15: 13
          To the author: Rudeness (not only Lukashenko) can be explained, but it is impossible to justify and HATE!
        3. -3
          27 January 2020 15: 42
          We haven’t had a tax on parasitism for a long time already, price increases and work for pennies is yes, but here we are no different from Russia in this regard, our economy is apimerno with the same indicators, in this area we are very much interconnected.
      4. +5
        27 January 2020 12: 35
        Lukashenko loves Russia, but .. "commercial" love.
        1. -6
          27 January 2020 12: 52
          The phenomenon of AHL is that the standard of living in the poor Belarus is higher than in the richest Russia. And because of what it’s easy to understand everything - the AHL for 25 years of its presidency did not privatize Belarus, did not make any of its friends or relatives a billionaire ... and the US ambassador to Minsk was last seen back in 2008 ... As for the Russian insults to Lukashenko, they are because he defends the interests of his Belarus, and not the ruling oligarchs ruling in Russia, who convinced part of the population that their interests and those of Russia as a state are one thing and also...
          1. +1
            27 January 2020 13: 02
            Quote: Greg Miller
            ... Over the 25 years of its presidency, the AHL has not carried out privatization in Belarus,

            But if there were no subsidies from Russia, you would have to privatize them - I would take the money from my people, and so Russia throws it both directly and indirectly ...

            Quote: Greg Miller
            ... did not make any of his friend or relative a billionaire ....

            Naturally!!! This is his destiny, and he is the Prince with heirs there ..

            Quote: Greg Miller
            ... he defends the interests of his Belarus, and not the ruling oligarchs ruling in Russia, who convinced part of the population that their interests and those of Russia as a state are one and the same ...

            Holy Luke !!! not otherwise!!! Whose interests does he advocate when unemployment multiplies and the economy is breathing in the cold?
            1. +2
              27 January 2020 15: 16
              What else could be privatization after Lukashenko himself privatized the whole country ?!
            2. +3
              27 January 2020 15: 41
              Quote: Nasr
              But don’t be subsidies from Russia

              Once again, you are wagging to the side - Russian subsidies make up no more than 10% of the GDP of Belarus.
              And I want to ask you a question - why Russia, which has dozens of times more resources than Belarus, cannot provide its citizens with a better life than in Belarus? We have Vedb and a little egg, and the budget is in surplus. wink
              1. -1
                27 January 2020 16: 02
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Russian subsidies make up no more than 10% of the GDP of Belarus

                Economist, "subsidies" are live money. GDP - far from always living loot. With deep regret, I note that you are again comparing a screw with a finger. Economist, diploma (s).

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                why Russia, which has dozens of times more resources than Belarus, cannot provide its citizens with a better life than in Belarus?

                No one unfastens the Russian Federation with live money + 10% of GDP. This is partly why, I think, such an answer is enough for you. Economist. By diploma (s).

                Quote: Ingvar 72
                we have a little egg and the budget is in surplus

                You? How is it in the Ugryum River near Shishkov:

                Quote: Mr. Cook
                Do not open your mouth on someone else’s bed!
                1. +2
                  27 January 2020 16: 07
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  Economist, "subsidies" are live money.

                  Yes, and the bear is a living skin! good For Kees subsidies, these are discounts on gas and oil.
                  Quote: Golovan Jack
                  You? How is it in the Ugryum River near Shishkov:

                  The state is me! And the whole population as a whole. And you, unfortunately.
                  1. -1
                    27 January 2020 16: 36
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    subsidies are gas and oil discounts

                    Discounts are the money saved by Old Man.

                    GDP is never a loot. Argue.

                    I repeat: your sweet habit of comparing crowbar with a finger ... touches love

                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    The state is me! And the whole population as a whole. And you unfortunately

                    I am more a "state", I honestly pay taxes. Everything that is supposed to be, not just VAT, as some "economists" do here. Diploma Yes
          2. +16
            27 January 2020 13: 07
            Quote: Greg Miller
            The phenomenon of AHL is that the standard of living in the poor Belarus is higher than in the richest Russia ...

            This is not even funny.
            And everything else is rare nonsense. This is how I declare the Belarusian.
            1. +10
              27 January 2020 13: 20
              Quote: Gost2012
              And everything else is rare nonsense. This is how I declare it as a Belarusian.

              And I, as a Belarusian, support. Keep compatriot "+"
            2. +5
              27 January 2020 14: 32
              Even 10 years ago it was so ... Now - only if you compare Minsk with the Russian outback (like, for example, Kostroma), then yes, of course)) "Everything else is rare nonsense"
              This I, as a citizen of Belarus confirm (another plus - from me) +
              1. 0
                27 January 2020 15: 22
                If you live in the conditional Sharkovshchina (urban-type settlement), then yes, the standard of living is not ice, but most of the population today lives in cities with a population of more than 40 thousand. If earlier builders went more to work in St. Petersburg and Moscow, now it is possible to earn on the spot.
                1. 0
                  28 January 2020 09: 34
                  I don’t know, Belarusians have been working in our country house for 10-15 years. From Minsk and Grodno. In the neighboring village, Belarusians and Ukrainians. In summer they plow in summer cottages (mainly construction, they don’t take rough work such as digging land), and in winter in cities. They go home to the Republic of Belarus for 2-3 weeks at most 1-2 times a year. They say that there is no work in Belarus, but here (in the Russian Federation) they pay normally. I often talk to them.
          3. +4
            27 January 2020 13: 20
            You just do not tell the chickens, they will laugh.
          4. +1
            28 January 2020 09: 27
            Well, the standard of living in Belarus is higher than in Russia. So why is it full of cars with Belarusian people and just people go from Belarus to Russia to earn money? Because of the standard of living or what? I don’t see the crowds of Russians traveling to Belarus to earn money.
      5. +8
        27 January 2020 12: 50
        Quote: Nasr
        It’s clean and the roads are good - but only for our bumps ... but how they broke the money stream and did not immediately become brothers ...

        To be honest, then in order to get all these visors and local bosses, of whom there were crowds around the world. And everyone thinks they are Napoleons.
      6. +3
        27 January 2020 13: 47
        At an evil dad, large families receive housing almost by a snap of a finger.
      7. 0
        27 January 2020 14: 10
        Quote: Nasr
        It’s clean and the roads are good - but only for our bumps ... but how they broke the trickle and did not immediately become brothers ..

        It’s understandable what our money is about, but after all he invested in the roads, did not steal, did not allow to plunder. We also "master" ours, but the result is different.
      8. -1
        27 January 2020 14: 11
        I’ll tell you honestly: we have a social state that is even too much. To be poor is more profitable than trying to earn an extra penny. It’s easier to give birth to children (for example, four) to get an apartment free from the state and live on their allowance plus free school meals there, social benefits, etc. That's how it is. In my environment in families to have three, four children is no longer a rarity. Well, raising the retirement age is inevitable at the present time. For example, my father, having received a military pension, worked on an excavator until he was 65 years old.
      9. +2
        27 January 2020 15: 34
        Quote: Nasr
        But father first raised the age of retirement - the inhabitants of Belarus did not even squeak .. - but a social state !!!

        In Belarus, there really were economic prerequisites for raising the retirement age, the budget is in constant deficit. We did not have such prerequisites from the word ABSOLUTELY.
    2. +16
      27 January 2020 12: 09
      Lukashenko was never * pro-Western or pro-government *.
      Lukashenko refers to the type of people whose cunning and * hunch * replaces reason and basic knowledge. Therefore, he * with extraordinary ease * can reason about it today, and tomorrow about something else.
      Those who know him personally have always been on the lookout for troubles. The only one who is faithful to Lukashenko is always his own clan, and nothing more.
      1. +3
        27 January 2020 12: 21
        Quote: Vasily50
        Lukashenko refers to the type of people whose cunning and * hunch * replaces reason and basic knowledge.

        Generally a good director of a pig farm.
        1. -2
          27 January 2020 13: 31
          Vlad and you were throwing dung at that pig farm? Belarus is our strategic ally. Their armed forces are integrated into collective security forces. Belarusian border guards perform the functions of protecting the western borders of the Union State. 40% of Belarusian exports and 55% of imports are in Russia. Behind these figures is the welfare of the millions of our citizens who participate in trade. We are connected by a single energy system. Russians are free to travel to Belarus, and Belarusians to us.
          1. +6
            27 January 2020 13: 59
            with the border you got excited. and then the Old Man framed everyone by opening the borders for 80 states for entry without visas. and ours had to return the border points to 17 because of this. The border zone is established on the borders of Smolensk, Pskov and Bryansk regions with Belarus, which is provided for by orders of the Director of the Federal Security Service Alexander Bortnikov, which are published on the legal information portal. These measures are connected with the decision of Belarus to introduce visa-free entry and exit of foreign citizens in the country.
            1. -2
              27 January 2020 16: 00
              Have you yourself ever crossed the "border" of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation? Well, just once?
              For those. Who are not in the topic I will explain: RB-RF: an uncle with an inscription on the back of the FSB will check your passport (2 minutes literally), RF-RB will return - NO-GO-GO!
              1. +1
                27 January 2020 16: 19
                constantly. back of course no one. we had to change the rules in our direction. all the more there are more car items. and so I go to Sozh’s company a couple of times a year to visit)
                1. 0
                  27 January 2020 17: 04
                  So is there a problem when crossing the border? Or is she not?
                  1. +4
                    27 January 2020 17: 06
                    and who talked about the problems then?) I said that until the 17th year there were no points and here the dad entered this visa-free regime and had to return everything. ours, on the other hand, became directly happy from this.
                    1. -1
                      27 January 2020 17: 21
                      For God's sake! Two minutes to check your passports and that's it! You had to cross the border with the EU on a car? Before the weekend, you can give 5 hours to go through the border, and before the holidays all ten. And then: when did you need visas, what prevented a quiet alien from crossing the border of the Russian Federation - RB ???
                      1. +2
                        27 January 2020 17: 30
                        But what does the verification itself have to do with it ?! this people this resources this time that you need to spend on returning.
                      2. -1
                        27 January 2020 17: 41
                        On the road there is a man in camouflage - alone! He checks the passports for entry into the Russian Federation (I would have put in the entry to the Republic of Belarus). This is security that will not hurt. The costs are just sooooooo huge. Google how many illegal immigrants from the territory of the Russian Federation cause trouble for Belarusian border guards. How many problems are the illegal import of narcotic substances and alcohol. And here is nothing, do not cry.
                      3. +4
                        27 January 2020 17: 49
                        finish on this. if you don’t understand who can come and cross the border which in fact is not, for example, from the UAE or Kuwait, I can no longer explain to you.
              2. +5
                27 January 2020 16: 32
                Quote: Romka
                Have you yourself ever crossed the "border" of the Republic of Belarus and the Russian Federation? Well, just once?
                For those. Who are not in the topic I will explain: RB-RF: an uncle with an inscription on the back of the FSB will check your passport (2 minutes literally), RF-RB will return - NO-GO-GO!

                Oh, Romka. Lay yourself a straw, we tell you that we are our ill-wisher. wink
          2. +2
            27 January 2020 14: 20
            Quote: Oleg Skvortsov
            Vlad and you were throwing dung at that pig farm?

            If necessary, we will always help, in childhood, dragged. But if only there was any sense, but the idiot went out. But I don’t see any sense. I do not want to offend anyone because half of my relatives live in Belarus.
      2. 0
        27 January 2020 15: 59
        I agree. Very true.
    3. +16
      27 January 2020 12: 11
      The whole thing is much simpler. A small state can be raised economically faster. To raise the standard of living of the people and social guarantees to people.
      The author, maybe this is so in technologically developed Europe, but the post-Soviet space says the opposite. It would seem that the tribaltics had every chance of becoming a star as developed. The best infrastructure in the Union and what in the end ?! The same goes for the countries of the former Warsaw Pact. EVERYWHERE the economy is in decline, well, except perhaps for Poland, but there is far from a European level. But what is Poland, even in the former GDR, when compared with Germany, not everything is so rosy.
      So this is a very controversial statement.
      1. -15
        27 January 2020 12: 37
        gentlemen, is it really so difficult to open a wiki and compare gdp and so russia -27147 poland-32343 estonia -35450 lithuania-35340 latvia-30692 belarus-19960. this is for 2018. we clearly see that in the post-Soviet space, Russia is sorry in p_pe and Belarus forgive me in full p_pe. and everyone else is in chocolate.
        GDP is a characteristic that determines the level of economic development of a country. So leave all your nonsense to yourself.
        1. +12
          27 January 2020 12: 47
          ututyulkin (ututyulkin)
          gentlemen, is it really so difficult to open a wiki and compare gdp and so russia -27147 poland-32343 estonia -35450 lithuania-35340 latvia-30692 belarus-19960. this is for 2018.
          Oh, hey, economist damn, what’s the matter with this kind of GDP, the whole triebaltics scattered across Europe to wash the toilets? The outflow of the population then look.
          And then GDP is an indicator of gross domestic product, and not as an indicator of welfare. And the numbers you cited, I very much DO NOT BELIEVE. Not in the sense of the numbers themselves, but in the fact that these numbers are bloated.
          1. -7
            27 January 2020 13: 05
            "Hey, hey economist, damn it, why is it with such a GDP, the whole Tribaltic has scattered across Europe to wash toilets? Look at the outflow of the population then.
            And then GDP is an indicator of gross domestic product, and not as an indicator of welfare. And the figures given by you, I very much DO NOT BELIEVE. Not in the sense of the figures themselves, but in the fact that these figures are exaggerated. "
            This is what: if, instead of operating every evening, I start singing in my apartment in my choir, I will fall into ruin. If I enter the restroom, I’ll start, sorry for the expression, urinating past the toilet and Zina and Daria Petrovna will do the same, the restroom will begin to collapse. Therefore, the devastation is not in the closets, but in the heads. So, when these baritones shout “beat the devastation!” - I am laughing. [...] I swear to you, it’s funny to me! This means that each of them must hit his neck! And so, when he hatches out all sorts of hallucinations and engages in cleaning his sheds - his direct business - the devastation will disappear by itself. Two gods cannot be served! It is impossible at one time to sweep the tram tracks and arrange the fate of some foreign raggers! Nobody succeeds in this, doctor, and even more so - for people who, in general, are 200 years behind the Europeans, still still do not quite confidently fasten their own pants!
            read the classics! read it 100 years and everything is still :)))))
            1. +4
              27 January 2020 14: 37
              ututyulkin (ututyulkin)
              read the classics! read it 100 years and everything is still :)))))
              This "classic" is rotten, and for a long time! And even the director Bortko in one of the programs publicly repented for this film.
              But in your head there really is a devastation, since you believe everything without thinking about the essence!
              1. -1
                27 January 2020 17: 29
                Bortko repented for this film? You shouldn't "read Soviet newspapers before dinner". laughing
            2. +1
              27 January 2020 16: 14
              "Heart of a Dog" is one of my favorite works, but often visiting Lithuania and Latvia, I can tell you - there is poverty. There is no free money in the country. Everything is so at the very minimum. Here is "a tunic in a tunic" and no more. Among the three republics, Estonia still stands out well, but the people there are nicer (my subjective opinion).
          2. 0
            27 January 2020 14: 59
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Oh, hey, economist damn, what’s the matter with this kind of GDP, the whole triebaltics scattered across Europe to wash the toilets? The outflow of the population then look.

            Because they are allowed there. Take a look at the situation in the Kaliningrad region.
        2. +12
          27 January 2020 12: 52
          This indicator is given only by limitrophs. Because small countries will always be in first place on it. With Qatar or Luxembourg certainly can not be compared. Compare any Israel or Liechtenstein, he may still be suitable.
          But GDP at purchasing power parity is a parameter by which all historical indicators are recounted. And the indicators of different countries, too. Any historical comparisons are made only at purchasing power parity. For 2019, GDP has not yet been calculated, we’ll take it for 2018. We are sixth in the list of the IMF and the list of the World Bank. It’s bad, of course, that Germany was admitted forward in 15, but the gap is small. There are chances to overtake. Well, economic giants like Poland and Latvia can tell the European Commission how successful they are. The European Commission, which subsidizes them, will be very interested to hear about it. wink
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          2. +7
            27 January 2020 13: 55
            Quote: g1v2
            But GDP at purchasing power parity


            Now Jack Golovan will come and “prove” to you that this is a chimera hi
          3. -3
            27 January 2020 14: 58
            Quote: g1v2
            But GDP at purchasing power parity is a parameter by which all historical indicators are recounted. And the indicators of different countries, too

            Historical yes, intercountry no
        3. -1
          27 January 2020 14: 57
          Quote: ututyulkin
          everyone else is in chocolate

          ))). Well, not all. The Balts are better, of course.
        4. 0
          27 January 2020 15: 15
          Quote: ututyulkin
          GDP is a characteristic that determines the level of economic development of a country. So leave all your nonsense to yourself.

          What is not a commentator, then an economist!))) The level of not the country's economic development (this is just GDP), but the welfare of citizens, is determined by PPP. So, in terms of European GDP, Russia is in second place after Germany, and in PPP Russia is 29263 (28th place) against Belarus in 20007 (35th place). Offending the members of the forum is not worth it, colleague, this is incorrect!
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            1. +1
              28 January 2020 00: 04
              Quote: viks
              Truth? Beggars Norwegians, Swedes, Britons and all kinds of Swiss bring down a ramp to Russia in order to become janitors and work at construction sites?

              Inattentively read, dear! You have listed all the countries that are in the first lines in terms of PPP, for which we’re the one who wants to bring them to us, all the more. rampart? They are fed much better there! hi
              1. +1
                28 January 2020 01: 59
                Yes, your truth, I admit
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        5. 0
          27 January 2020 15: 25
          Wikipedia links are incorrect!
          1. 0
            28 January 2020 00: 21
            Quote: Victor N
            Wikipedia links are incorrect!

            + - the meter does not play a big role in this case. What difference does it make where in Russia in terms of GDP (PPP) is 28 or 21?
        6. +4
          27 January 2020 16: 35
          Quote: ututyulkin
          gentlemen, is it really so difficult to open a wiki and compare gdp and so russia -27147 poland-32343 estonia -35450 lithuania-35340 latvia-30692 belarus-19960. this is for 2018. we clearly see that in the post-Soviet space, Russia is sorry in p_pe and Belarus forgive me in full p_pe. and everyone else is in chocolate.
          GDP is a characteristic that determines the level of economic development of a country. So leave all your nonsense to yourself.

          Your gentlemen in Paris, gnawing wolves, We take care of the Tambovs for their own. wink
        7. +1
          27 January 2020 17: 15
          are you normal?))) do you generally know what GDP is? Russia's GDP is more than 600 billion. Latvia 34 billion. what are you talking about?
    4. +4
      27 January 2020 12: 14
      It's like a lambada: "Until they lie down, they won't succeed!"
      1. 0
        27 January 2020 12: 34
        the trouble is that father wants to lie on top! lol Hello! hi
        1. -1
          27 January 2020 13: 17
          It is a pity that he said that he was put in a certain position, they may not understand, but simply become interested. request
          1. +1
            27 January 2020 13: 20
            with Europe in general, one must be more careful in these matters
    5. +4
      27 January 2020 13: 54
      Quote: GKS 2111
      Yes, and we are very sympathetic to Belarus

      How else. They are not strangers to us, but still our brothers!
      I tried to answer the question of what I mean by this big name. One state? No.

      Yes! It is a single state! One country, one house, one currency, one people!
      1. 0
        27 January 2020 15: 59
        ..... Some laws, one President.
        1. +4
          27 January 2020 16: 02
          Quote: Victor N
          ..... Some laws, one President.

          Exactly, I forgot to add. One single law and one head of state, as in the USSR. hi
      2. +1
        27 January 2020 16: 15
        Rather, it is necessary to build relations on the basis of one ethnos - two countries (examples are England - Australia, France - Belgium, Germany - Austria) - this is the more sane scenario at the moment.
  2. +3
    27 January 2020 11: 58
    Quote: "It is difficult for me to judge what prompts Alexander Lukashenko to take clearly provocative actions against Moscow." End of quote.
    And me. Therefore, I refrain from commenting.
    1. +3
      27 January 2020 12: 12
      "... Here we put a lot of points. Here we have the end of the verse ...." request
    2. +6
      27 January 2020 14: 00
      Quote: iouris
      Quote: "It is difficult for me to judge what prompts Alexander Lukashenko to take clearly provocative actions against Moscow." End of quote.
      And me.

      Just with this, everything is simple - the bar, level, confrontation or dispute is overstated, as you want. As a result, there should be a lower bar, but acceptable for Lukashenko. The basis is the preservation of their power and the local elite, the blockade of the penetration of Russian oligarchs into Belarus. Such sentiments were and are in Ukraine: these are bastards, but these are our bastards
  3. +7
    27 January 2020 12: 04
    Pro-Russian or pro-Western
    Proprietary he is. And here and there it rushes from the small "inertia" of Belarus, it is too easy in such a small country in general, to overwhelm the whole thing because of a bias that a large country may not even notice.
  4. +19
    27 January 2020 12: 05
    My parents are from Belarus. Many relatives live there now. Many of my colleagues are also from there. I remember how Gene Designer P.O. Dry in 1976, when he became acquainted with my weapon system for the Su-15TM. I was then awarded the first state order for it. Handed it to me G.V. Romanov. From 1978 to 1988, I led the 6th State Institution of the USSR Ministry of Radio Industry. In Belarus, I had 9 enterprises and research institutes subordinate. More than 70 thousand specialists worked there. Most of these enterprises, thanks to reformers, have been liquidated. That's what you need to think about. It is necessary to restore what we once created and gave work and life to our people.
    1. 0
      27 January 2020 12: 35
      Quote: midshipman
      It is necessary to restore what we once created and gave work and life to our people.

      You need to start with the spiritual and moral foundations, territory and water area. Need an idea. ("And 'de I am?") It is pointless to start without this idea. With this they have problems.
      1. +7
        27 January 2020 14: 03
        Quote: iouris
        They have problems with that.


        And we have? Medinsky appointed Putin's assistant- this is after his board Mannerheim!
        1. +4
          27 January 2020 14: 51
          Quote: Silvestr
          And we have? Medinsky appointed Putin's assistant- this is after his board Mannerheim!

          I agree one hundred percent! But the hint that there will be few changes was made even when the GDP, when dissolving the Cabinet, thanked everyone and said that he would speak with each of them individually. It is very inconvenient for him to dismiss loyal people, even if they are illiterate, it is easier for them to find, or to organize a warm place. As an example, the bureaucracy in the Crimea. It was 800, it became 2500! It seems that the bureaucrats will multiply exponentially.
    2. +9
      27 January 2020 12: 35
      Quote: midshipman
      It is necessary to restore what we once created and gave work and life to our people.

      From the point of view of a Soviet person, I absolutely agree with you. But, alas, the USSR is no more. Restoring enterprises and research institutes in a foreign, albeit close, country is stupid. An example of Ukraine and the Baltic before the eyes. And the MAZs on which the APU missile launchers stand, too.
      That is the complexity of the situation. Therefore, we are fighting for a union state. So that there are guarantees that the money will not be thrown into the furnace.
      The situation so far looks stalemate for us and for Minsk. And given that the leadership of Belarus has pro-Western oriented officials, and with the addition of Western orientation from Ukraine to Belarus, everything is entangled in such a tangle ... Lukashenko is now in a very difficult situation. Moreover, a tangle that must be untangled. Then the decision ala Alexander the Great with the node of Tsar Gordia will not pass. The task is not easy ...
      1. +5
        27 January 2020 14: 09
        Quote: domokl
        From the point of view of a Soviet person, I absolutely agree with you. But, alas, the USSR is no more. Restoring enterprises and research institutes in a foreign, albeit close, country is stupid. An example of Ukraine and the Baltic before the eyes. And the MAZs on which the APU missile launchers stand, too.
        That is the complexity of the situation. Therefore, we are fighting for a union state. So that there are guarantees that the money will not be thrown into the furnace.
        The situation so far looks stalemate for us and for Minsk. And given that the leadership of Belarus has pro-Western oriented officials, and with the addition of Western orientation from Ukraine to Belarus, everything is entangled in such a tangle ... Lukashenko is now in a very difficult situation. Moreover, a tangle that must be untangled. Then the decision ala Alexander the Great with the node of Tsar Gordia will not pass.

        Golden words hi
        Too late to raise a child when lying along the bench!
        The child has grown up and says, I’ll manage without you
      2. +2
        27 January 2020 15: 04
        This union state under current conditions is nothing more than a chimera. Not for that, the specific princes and boyars tore the USSR apart so that they would then voluntarily give up power and money in favor of someone. Therefore, we will build this union state indefinitely.
      3. 0
        27 January 2020 16: 19
        I agree to all 100%
  5. -6
    27 January 2020 12: 31
    Funny article funny comments. The people of Russia owe the guys from the Kremlin. We have nowhere to go, we ourselves cannot, so even if Sechin is living.
    But it’s impossible to tear off the Belarusians, as Lukashenko was declared an enemy. Make anti-Lukashenko articles write every day.
    How many billions has the Kremlin forgiven? Recently, the Africans gave money again. I invest in Venezuela, Libya, Syria, and should Lukashenko.
    1. -1
      27 January 2020 12: 43
      Homeless people can be forgiven money given "on credit", but a neighbor who has something to give back - do not regularly throw money - the neighbor starts to become impudent ... Ukraine is an example for you ...
      1. +2
        27 January 2020 13: 50
        Eulampius. You begin with yourself - as you go to church - there are many beggars and homeless people there - take your pension and give it away. Yes, take everything on video and come here - so that we look at the Christian
        1. -8
          27 January 2020 14: 24
          there is such an expression - throwing beads in front of pigs ... I hope you understood correctly, Olezh!
      2. +10
        27 January 2020 14: 17
        Quote: Nasr
        Ukraine

        True, just remember: who and how fed this Ukraine, hoping to buy its elite. Did Russia use “soft power”? - No!
        Those who profiled Ukraine continue their work, but with Belarus. Pattern of thinking! Consequently, the result will be the same.
        Take the Americans, the Poles, worked on the bottoms and were able to bring millions into the street. And the “pro-Russian” movements, which received grandmothers and sawed them, did not want or could not organize Anti-Maidan. And any elite can be outbid, which made the foreign country
        1. +1
          27 January 2020 14: 34
          I agree, the method of feeding the elites is a failure .... +
          it’s necessary to conduct business based on the economy ... fewer problems ... but where there are PIPES it’s hard to do this .... Uncle Sam bribes either the elites or the masses ... the result is the same in both cases ...
    2. 0
      27 January 2020 14: 39
      Quote: Gardamir
      But it’s impossible to tear off the Belarusians, as Lukashenko was declared an enemy.

      That's not the point, colleague! There was a comment here, I think it is correct, the essence is as follows: "if we buy equipment, foodstuffs, etc. in the Republic of Belarus, we pay at normal market prices, but the Republic of Belarus, buying resources from the Russian Federation, constantly requires preferential prices." I’m not saying that the Republic of Belarus should not have any preferences from the Russian Federation, their mutual presence for partners is natural and correct, but often this topic should not be raised at the governmental level, giving an unnecessary informational reason, you just need to conclude normal long-term agreements / contracts.
      1. +2
        27 January 2020 14: 44
        Alas, there is no stability in the markets, long-term contracts quickly become unprofitable for one of the parties and they are being torn apart or rewritten.)
      2. +5
        27 January 2020 15: 32
        I agree. But we are sitting in the Russian-speaking sector of the Internet, and the wave is constantly being raised here.
        If there were more patriotic rulers in Russia, they could have given way in money to win in another direction. But there is no money for them all.
        1. +4
          27 January 2020 16: 12
          Patriotic rulers, alas, with a democratic change of power are not possible.) Each power that succeeds (steals into one’s pocket) / (fulfills the money invested in it). And on the wave of which they came up with another question, you can talk about patriotism for a long time and fill up your pockets to get out when changing power.
  6. +4
    27 January 2020 12: 32
    "Phenomenon" is said loudly, Old Man plays the usual part "good tsar - bad boyars". But, we must give him his due, he performs expressively: with indicative flogging, strong expressions and other attributes of "the master of the country, working for the good of the people, the conqueror of oligarchs." This, plus the preservation of some Soviet attributes, is what ensures the popular approval of the Russians. And behind the scenes remains the same "family" policy that Yeltsin had and Nazarbayev has now ...
    1. +4
      27 January 2020 12: 54
      Quote: Tzar
      Old Man plays the usual part "good tsar - bad boyars." But, we must give him his due, he performs expressively: with indicative flogging, strong expressions and other attributes of "the master of the country, working for the good of the people, the conqueror of oligarchs." This, plus the preservation of some Soviet attributes, is what ensures the popular approval of the Russians. And behind the scenes remains the same "family" policy that Yeltsin had and Nazarbayev has now ...

      Just a few days ago I watched a video on a well-known video hosting site where President Lukashenko visited the cowshed and then removed the governor of the Mogilev region because of the "justified" cows (these are the words of Lukashenko, see the video). So, there are more than 3000 comments on the video, 99% are like:
      - Lukashenko well done! ..
      - We would have such a president! ..
      - Health Old Man! ..
      I read further and run into such a comment : I personally worked in the leadership of an agricultural enterprise in the Mogilev region. Almost all households are on their knees. And 99% of the monster that was created is to blame for everything - Grandma’s krynka. The leadership of the Grandmother’s Krynka simply mocks the villagers. The lowest purchase prices for milk, and most importantly underestimates the grade of milk. To pay less to the peasant. If you yourself will not be standing in the laboratory of their reception point and watching the tests, 100% of the laboratory technicians will underestimate the grade. Grandma’s wing is pure monopsony (the only monopolist on the market is a raw material purchaser). This monster killed all agricultural enterprises with a dairy and meat specialization. It was administratively forced to sell grain only to the collective farms of the Mogilev region. And they also took advantage of this product development. They just got bullied at the reception. Everyone was fond of accepting fodder, not food grain. Grain was brewing. Like, take it back, or take it with forage. and even at discounts for humidity and weediness they’ll chemist. As a result, for a ton of barley, 800 rubles. And these pennies will not give. The regional executive committee will oblige this money to choose compound feed at a price of 4 thousand per ton. the grain was taken from you for 800, and the feed was forcibly fed 4000 each. And so that the farms would not grind their grain into flour to feed their cattle, the governor of the Mogilev region ordered the power networks to disconnect and seal the mills of agricultural enterprises. To not be ground. And take all the grain with the food surplus on KHP. Of course, in this situation, cattle will be like in Auschwitz.
      I read further and again an unexpected comment: Dear Alexander Grigoryevich! You need to call in or send a check to Osipovichi district of Mogilev region ag.Drichin !!!! A new barn was built in ages.Drichin 2 years ago, but cows and small calves drowned in the city ... not. No owner !!!! All cows are thin. We went on a field trip with the children and were shocked, the soul was bursting with pain, the children were crying !!!! They plan to close the school, and the outpatient clinic will also be closed. People asking leave for other villages. Why was there so much money to invest in a 2-storey school, for the repair of an outpatient clinic, for the road, for the repair of a barn, so that in 2 years it would be destroyed and buried !!! Pigsty - closed and dismantled. Collective farm bankrupt !!! This is HORROR !!!! Take action!
      Well, each draw your own conclusions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-ER8Khznck
      1. +2
        27 January 2020 13: 32
        I think if you unwind the ties of this "Grandmother's little pot", then the strings will lead to a person especially close to ... the emperor wink
      2. +2
        27 January 2020 15: 07
        Hm. This is interesting, thanks. Frankly, I also considered the Old Man a certain chairman of the collective farm, with its pluses and minuses for a European country in the XNUMXst century. It turns out the same as in Russia. This is our cow, and we milk it.
        1. 0
          27 January 2020 16: 27
          We have more similar than it seems at first glance)
          1. 0
            27 January 2020 18: 44
            Quote: viks
            more similar than it seems at first glance

            Brotherly peoples, whatever one may say)))
  7. +9
    27 January 2020 12: 32
    This is not love, it is Russophobia multiplied by the desire to grab as much freebie from the Russian Federation as possible and it is characteristic of almost all the republics of the former USSR separated from Russia ... All of them built their independence on frantic Russophobia!
  8. +5
    27 January 2020 12: 34
    I am sympathetic to Belarusians. But not to Lukashenka! What is his orientation? Yes, simple - everything is up to you! The only thing that interests him is the preservation of his personal power. And that's all. With such "friends" like him, you can no longer look for enemies. Will stick a knife in the back at the first opportunity.
    He agreed to the union state in due time only because he hoped to become the successor of EBN. But when he flew by, he simply began to milk Russia. But no friendship here even smells ....
  9. -1
    27 January 2020 12: 36
    "Just picked up the eggs, as soon as the milk disappeared"
    The true meaning of the phrase, of course, is clear. At one of his meetings, Alexander Lukashenko spoke about problems in the production of eggs and milk. But the very construction of the sentence leads to other thoughts, why, in fact, the phrase became winged.
  10. +3
    27 January 2020 12: 37
    Ah, it’s not good, the old man waves his saber, and updates the west to his blade. No.
  11. -5
    27 January 2020 12: 38
    A number of articles about “bad Lukashenka” lately make one think that the persecution is specially organized, that the command “face” has been given, and that someone is behind such an organized persecution.
    And our blogosphere pounced on Belarus and the "father", like a pack of hungry dogs on a thrown bone.
    It turns out that Belarusians do not buy oil and gas not under concluded agreements, but almost steal from the pockets of poor Russians, and in general they are freebies.
    The media have always been distinguished by the art of telling them to slander, which we are now observing.
    And who contains these our media?
    1. 0
      27 January 2020 12: 41
      Sometimes it seems that the buy has come here. Interesting to read comments.)
      1. 0
        27 January 2020 13: 17
        Quote: Darkesstcat
        Sometimes it seems that the buy has come here. Interesting to read comments.)

        The level, unfortunately, is the same.
    2. +3
      27 January 2020 12: 50
      Buddy hi calmly, here in a circle and about you went through all the corners in this comment, but did not see any sense. request
    3. 0
      27 January 2020 16: 29
      Bingo) You are no matter how right
  12. -6
    27 January 2020 12: 38
    Have you ever had a feeling of some kind of imbalance when reading the latest news regarding Belarus?
    On the one hand, a brotherly people, a brotherly country, a union state, a republic with a standard of living comparable with Russia ... And on the other hand, there are some conversations and actions that in our eyes look clearly not pro-Russian.

    stop Enough! No additives needed!
    And didn’t you feel any imbalance when reading the news regarding the “security” of Russian citizens?
    On the one hand, “beloved, highly rated power,” and on the other, a cynical increase in retirement age and taxes. On the one hand, there are some “average salaries in the country and regions,” and on the other, a minimum wage of 12 rubles per month. Promises of a pension increase of 130 rubles annually and prosaic resignation due to profanity.
    Such comparisons do not make the activities of those who adopt such laws pro-Russian. Moreover, doubts creep in that these "guys and girls" from our city ...
    hi
    1. +7
      27 January 2020 12: 46
      Quote: ROSS 42
      And didn’t you feel any imbalance when reading the news regarding the “security” of Russian citizens?

      Dear Editor!
      Maybe better - about the reactor?
      There, about your favorite moon tractor?
      After all, it’s impossible! - year in a row
      That scare plates -
      Say, vile, fly,
      Then your dogs bark
      That ruins say!
      Oh, and we love to talk for everything at once ...
    2. +2
      27 January 2020 14: 15
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Such comparisons do not make the activities of those who adopt such laws pro-Russian. Moreover, doubts creep in that these "guys and girls" from our city ...

      And again I don’t understand why they instructed you sleepers !? Is that not true ?! It is true that edrosy accept all the laws that they are told to pass! If there were no leftists in the Parliament, we would not know at all what is really going on in this institution! If this were not true, then the government would not have changed! And they changed it not at all because they recognized it as "ineffective" - ​​after all, if it were so, then the former effective blowmen would not have been left in key areas. They changed it because they "heard" that it is simply impossible to keep this Medvedev team at the helm - the people will explode with indignation! The only thing that can still be is that at least something will start to change thanks to the new prime minister, who has an economic education. At least one person will professionally do his job if he is given.
  13. +1
    27 January 2020 12: 41
    In Belarus, like ours, a generation has grown up that lives and works exclusively under Lukashenko ... young people, the middle class, who are even more difficult than doing business in the Russian Federation, are oriented to the West, but they are terribly crazy at the same time, especially to those who have some kind of stability, because if you let go of the situation, everything will go to hell. One can only guess that in the economy of the Republic of Belarus everything is not ice at all and the Chinese who entered with real jerk investments did not bring, and the details and details of their entry to the general public the end is unknown. What way out, I don’t know ... honestly ... maybe now our government has taken a silent pause to understand the prospect, will Lukashenko still be there or someone will come to replace and how to deal with the successor ... who knows ... .
    1. +4
      27 January 2020 13: 13
      Even if the authorities would like to take a break, the media will not allow them to. And the problem with oil itself will not resolve for Belarus. So the temperature in relations will continue to increase.
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    1. +1
      27 January 2020 13: 40
      Quote: Engineer
      The fact that Moscow gives money but cannot realize the integration plan is not a problem of Minsk, but a problem of Moscow.

      That is, what Minsk says "money in the morning - chairs at night" is Moscow's problem? good
      Quote: Engineer
      Belarus is the only national state of the Slavs on the ruins of the USSR.

      Slavs, whose descendants are eager to receive a Pole's card? In Ukraine, by the way, there are also many Slavs, and some "warriors of light" even sculpted the idols of Perun in the ATO. Maybe help them with money? good
      1. 0
        27 January 2020 14: 14
        That is, what Minsk says "money in the morning - chairs at night" is Moscow's problem?

        Definitely. Money is allocated under guarantees within the framework of an investment (in our case, a political) project. Unsecured subsidies and investments are a problem for the investor. Is Lukashenko's fault that everyone in the Kremlin is so stupid?
        1. +1
          27 January 2020 20: 42
          An interesting logic ... But it does not fit into this situation, since it is not about business projects, but about political obligations of states.
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  16. +3
    27 January 2020 13: 03
    For so many years of political activity, at the very top of international politics, Alexander G. gained political experience, has matured and does not look like a whipping boy at all.[B] [/ b]
    An example that should have been understood by A.G. Lukashenko - Viktor Yanukovych.
    One arm hugged Russia, and the other extended to the EU.
    The result - overthrown, fled, lives quieter than water and below grass in the suburbs.

    Lukashenko thinks that his eldest son, who oversees the power block, will protect him from possible excesses?
    Naive stupidity.
    It is these fathers and children who succeed - there is nowhere worse.
    Therefore, I look forward to the development of the scenario that we have received collectively - "Independence Square".

    May I be wrong.
    Just rejoice.
    1. +1
      27 January 2020 14: 56
      "One hand hugged Russia, and the other stretched to the EU." That you, it cannot be, if you stretch in one direction, then you will have to substitute your anus in the other.
  17. 0
    27 January 2020 14: 06
    On the one hand, President Lukashenko, coming to meet with President Putin, stresses in every way his friendship with Russia and personally with the President of the Russian Federation
    And who can remember at least once when the old man, coming to any other country, says differently and that he is almost the best friend of both the President and the host country?
  18. +8
    27 January 2020 14: 27
    My sister-in-law went on a free tour of Minsk for foreigners. Tour in English, of course. Oh, what did she hear enough ... And about the Litvinians and about the enslavement of Muscovy and about repression and about centuries-old slavery. Vyatrovich is resting. And she is a professional historian. Since then, I have not heard a single complimentary comment about father father from her, but before she constantly repeated that father father is in order, there are no oligarchs and teachers have a decent salary.
    So if you are friendly with English, then be sure to visit this event.
    1. 0
      27 January 2020 15: 01
      Quote: asp373
      Oh, what did she hear enough ... And about the Litvinians and about the enslavement of Muscovy and about repression and about centuries-old slavery.

      Under Shushkevich, apparently when the idea of ​​Litvinism began to be promoted in Belarus, he communicated with a large group of people from Minsk and Gomel. Their opinion of that time in brief: Belarusians - as a people separate from Russians, is fiction, the Belarusian language is a dialect of some rural areas of the south and southeast of the republic.
      1. 0
        27 January 2020 16: 14
        Well, before Shushkevitch I was told that Belarusians are real Slavs, and so-called Russians are spoiled by Tatar blood. Therefore, when crossing the border, the brick and slate in the houses changes to a log and roofing material, and the highway itself turns into a holey road. Only to me these are relatives as my own, i.e. Belarusians were told.
  19. +7
    27 January 2020 14: 51
    In the days of the USSR, all "fraternal" republics believed that they were feeding the RSFSR, time has shown in practice who fed and, by and large, continues to feed and sometimes support them.
    1. +4
      27 January 2020 16: 26
      I agree with you, and it’s time to end this charity at the expense and expense of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation ...
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        27 January 2020 16: 27
        the indigenous population of the Russian Federation will not get anything from this maneuver
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          27 January 2020 16: 40
          Well, maybe so, or maybe not quite so ... The fact is that any expenses for the maintenance of a foreign state are in any case taken from the pockets of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation, not the Yeltsin family and the like ... And to me personally, strangers countries are not needed, they would have to return their own yes to restore order ...
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    27 January 2020 17: 56
    Relations with Belarus have come to a critical point. Belarusians require us not to support our own producers of high-tech products, as this creates competition for Belarusian manufacturers and they lose. But we cannot begin to rely on Belarusian products critical for us to the detriment of our own without deep political integration. The history of Ukraine has clearly shown this.
    So there was a watershed. If you want to continue to be a country where there is industry, welcome to the Russian political system. Do not want to - go to the EU. Your potatoes will be welcome there.
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    27 January 2020 18: 53
    You just have to stop building chimeras. And to undertake and build our state in such a way that we would like to take an example, that we would be envious of what, and would like to become part of it, regardless of the whims of politicians.
    In the meantime, we will always rip off our own people, but whether the gas will reach the Germans is of great concern to us. The Ukrainian brotherly people, among other things, do they remember how we shared our bread in a poor harvest? The most oxymoron of the last year is our news from France: here it is, the savage grin of capitalism! Only we are also interested in watching how they are fighting against raising the retirement age, against the dominance of penalty chambers, against restricting the entry of diesel cars into cities ... Only this is no longer the USSR, when we watched the "International Panorama" with interest - but how are they ? It's time to look already - and how are we?
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    1. -1
      28 January 2020 15: 48
      Clinic. Not treated.
  23. -2
    28 January 2020 09: 09
    it's time to forget about fraternity. And Lukashenko’s actions are clear and simple. Byalorus friends for money is their natschta.No money no friendship. Lukashenko is a mirror of Byalorussians. What is the parish of pop?
    The best way out is for everyone and for their own.

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