High-speed construction in Chinese: what is their secret


In connection with the outbreak of coronavirus in Wuhan, China, which became the epicenter of the spread of this disease, it was decided to build a new hospital of 25 thousand square meters, capable of receiving at least a thousand patients. A new medical institution, on the construction site of which excavators are roaring today, should start work no later than February 3 of this year. That is, construction work as such should be completed in 6-7 days. Fantasy? Nothing of the kind, just building at normal rates for the Middle Kingdom, somewhat accelerated due to the extremely situation. In any case, the builders of the Beijing Xiaotangshan hospital during a similar crisis - the SARS epidemic in 2003 over the past week coped with the task.


The Chinese comrades, who spare no effort and resources to save the lives of their compatriots, sincerely want to wish success. In this case, of course, the question begs: why can't we do that ?! Or can we? What is the secret of high-speed construction projects in Chinese. Let's try to figure it out.

At one time, our grandfathers surprised the world with much more enormous construction projects, including their unrealistic, as it seemed then, terms. For example, a 33-km gas pipeline to the besieged Leningrad along the bottom of Ladoga was laid in a month! The pace is incredible: more than a kilometer a day in the face of hostilities.

What is wrong now? Before you start looking for an answer to this question, it is worth noting: the incredible speed of construction for China is really, as mentioned above, the norm. New roads there are “driven” at a speed of 750 meters per hour, houses are erected in a matter of days, and what’s home there - entire cities rise from scratch almost in no time. Last year, more than half of all the skyscrapers in the world were built in China. How do they do it?

There are many reasons. Perhaps it’s worth starting with the colossal construction industry that the country has managed to develop. Already a couple of years ago, a billion tons of cement per year was produced there annually (in the Russian Federation this figure does not reach 100 million). They can let them drive a whole "herd" of excavators into the construction of the hospital, and not mess around, as we have with one that is always breaking. Practically all the construction equipment (up to the most complicated complexes for erecting high-rise buildings) of the most modern designs, China produces independently, is not dependent on anyone and is not afraid of any sanctions.

Another point is organization. Stormy activity on the Chinese construction site does not stop not only that day or night - it does not fade for almost a second! Workers, each of whom clearly knows where he should be and what to do, do not beat the bucks (sometimes - forcedly due to breakdown of equipment or lack of building materials), but do what they are paid for.

And believe me, they pay quite well: those involved in the “high-speed” construction in Wuhan will receive approximately $ 170 per shift for urgency. It's not about specialists, but about the most ordinary hard workers. However, in normal mode, he gets $ 50-60 per shift. Three times less, of course, but also, you see, not bad.

There is motivation, there is discipline. Drinking, taking time off from work, marriage - get out! Millions of those who are ready to work for conscience are breathing in your back ...



I must admit - the construction industry of the Celestial Empire, like almost everyone else, has gone through a period of "childhood illness" when everything was done with a "bigger number, cheaper price." The result is a very dubious quality. At one time, on the Internet, a sufficient number of photographs of cars that had fallen under the asphalt and “folded out”, like card-like, houses made just in China walked on the Internet. There even a corresponding term arose: "tofu-ja construction project", from soy cheese tofu, porous and brittle. The most terrible precedent of this kind were schools that fell apart during the 2008 earthquake in Sichuan.

Be that as it may, but this phase the Chinese builders (as well as manufacturers of smartphones and cars), basically overcame. Self-taught enthusiasts have been replaced by strong professionals who have received the best education and have completed internships in construction companies around the world, and Chinese design engineers today can already teach something to foreign colleagues. Much has changed, but the main thing has remained - tough state control and the absence of many far from always necessary obstacles to really speedy implementation of construction projects imposed by “civilized partners” on our country. It is, in particular, about all kinds of procedures for tenders, “shakes”, “hearings” and the like.

I’m afraid that in the realities of native aspens, even the construction of a hospital would be drowned in endless sights, approvals, refinement of estimates and “side-pushing” of competing companies. Do you think not? Believe me, I am not at all against the fight against corruption. However, honestly, admit - our “craftsmen” have long learned to circumvent the same tenders. It is possible to deal with thieves and bribe-hungry officials in different ways. In China, such entities are sent to jail without unnecessary ceremonies, and often even shot at all. In our country, they are transferred to another position, and not always with a decrease. Under Stalin, there were no tenders at all. There was Beria. And they built it - to the current China to envy. Moreover, everything erected in those years - from dams to residential buildings stands firmly to this day. Perhaps the secret is not only in the quantity of equipment and the level of remuneration of workers ...
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  1. Same lech 27 January 2020 09: 31 New
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    Yes what the Chinese were able to use the advantages of government and the market in one bottle ... and we see the result everywhere ... I never thought that the Chinese are capable of such breakthroughs.
    Now it’s not a sin for us to learn some things from them ... will our technocrats in the new Mishustin government achieve such results? ... wait and see.
    Ten thousand five hundred rubles per shift ... here you can poke without talking.
    1. Svarog 27 January 2020 10: 06 New
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      Under Stalin, there were no tenders at all. There was Beria. And they built it - to the current China to envy. Moreover, everything erected in those years - from dams to residential buildings stands firmly to this day. Perhaps the secret is not only in the quantity of equipment and the level of remuneration of workers

      It remains only to recall ...
      In our country, they are transferred to another position, and not always with a decrease.

      And this fact is precisely the main and main reason for our troubles ... because there is no responsibility, there is no result ..
      1. nikvic46 27 January 2020 10: 33 New
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        Vladimir. How are you right.
        1. Basil50 27 January 2020 11: 13 New
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          What reminded me of how smartly the British built that their ships that their empire. The British even managed to build their own * Dreadnought * in less than a year.
          In China, a lot of things are being built and are being built very smartly, but what struck me there are almost officially different categories of quality, each category has its first grade and all the others.
          I wish the Chinese success in construction. If only they were able to live independently, not for sale. Very famously they sold out to the Americans.
          1. PSih2097 27 January 2020 15: 47 New
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            Quote: Vasily50
            The British even managed to build their own * Dreadnought * in less than a year.

            23 months ...
            If we count from the date of laying the first sheet on the slipway - from May 1905 - until December 1906, when the preparation of the Dreadnought for the Atlantic campaign was completed, we get 20 months. And if you count to the date of commissioning as a combat unit, then 23.
            1. bayard 28 January 2020 04: 27 New
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              He apparently had in mind the slipway period - before launching.
              1. PSih2097 28 January 2020 16: 30 New
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                Quote: bayard
                He apparently meant nothing in the world. There is no better way than to drink this bottle together before launching.

                but it’s still a deadline ... The Germans “Nassau” was built as follows:
                The first German battleship, Nassau, as in the case of the Dreadnought battleship, was built at an accelerated pace: the slipway construction period of the Nassau battleship laid in Wilhelmshaven was only 7,5 months, and the construction period was incomplete 19 months (total construction time rounded equal to 26 months).
                1. bayard 28 January 2020 17: 11 New
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                  Quote: PSih2097
                  The slipway construction period of the Nassau battleship laid in Wilhelmshaven was only 7,5 months, and the construction period was incomplete 19 months (the total construction time was rounded up to 26 months).

                  The Germans built well, at that time the pace was not lower than the English. I still regret that on the eve of the Russo-Japanese War, so few ships were ordered at German shipyards. One “Novikov” could be obtained before its start 3 - 4 pcs. + technical support for the construction of such ships in Russia, and instead ... a detective on the theft of technical documentation, intrigue, failure to meet the deadlines for "pebbles" ... However, by the beginning of the RPE we could already build at a very fast pace, especially if it's serial the ship. The same eb “Glory” - a slipway period of 10 months (November 1903 - August 1904) and outfitting - 19 months (August 1903 - June 1905). Total - 29 months for everything. They knew how then to build ships quickly.
                  And they studied quickly.
                  And this is without computers, welding, riveting ...
                  1. PSih2097 28 January 2020 20: 54 New
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                    Quote: bayard
                    The Germans built well, at that time the pace was not lower than the English. I still regret that on the eve of the Russo-Japanese War, so few ships were ordered at German shipyards.

                    Well, this is to Witte and to General Admiral, as well as to the old (gay) from Spitz, who provided for themselves until the end of their lives in bribes from the British and French Rothschilds ...
                    1. bayard 28 January 2020 22: 53 New
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                      Wow, some “goddesses” were worth what our fleet cost - under their, English supervision, such shedEvry sculptured.
                      But the main enemy is still Witte. "Pretentious pretexts" about the "support of their manufacturer" and about the "need for number destroyers" as part of a detachment of new ships for the Pacific Fleet ... And a gamble with Argentine-Chilean cruisers ... with missed Italian cruisers ... Comrade Witte brought much benefit.
                      1. isaira 28 January 2020 23: 24 New
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                        Quote: bayard
                        some "goddesses" of what our fleet cost

                        And what was it worth? Cheap were. True, they were rubbish.
                        Quote: bayard
                        under them, the English curators, such ShedEvry sculptured.

                        Well yes. You are a big dreamer. No, the goddesses were an attempt to make candy out of crappy (but domestic) details. This attempt naturally failed.
                        In general, the goddess, this is the French Svetlana, scaled into a three-machine scheme. And slightly redone. What for Russia in general needed 3 new colonial cruisers, a big mystery. Maybe overseas colonies were planned to be squeezed out of someone?
                        Quote: bayard
                        And a gamble with Argentine-Chilean cruisers ... with lost Italian cruisers ...

                        Another EDB class 2 (so they were credited to the British fleet) could somehow reef come in handy. But he simply did not need the Garibaldians. There were no ships of this class in the RIF. Not purchased and not produced.
                      2. bayard 29 January 2020 01: 44 New
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                        Quote: isaira
                        under them, the English curators, such ShedEvry sculptured.

                        Well yes. You are a big dreamer.

                        Quote: isaira
                        In general, the goddess, this is the French Svetlana,

                        The basis of the project proposed by S.K. Ratnik was the English cruiser Talbot. English specialists were invited as consultants. The three-shaft system was chosen following the example of German cruisers. Machines were made by the Society of Franco-Russian Plants.
                        Quote: isaira
                        What for Russia in general needed 3 new colonial cruisers, a big mystery. Maybe overseas colonies were planned to be squeezed out of someone?

                        They didn’t want to, but they squeezed it out - from Japan, the Chinese lands captured by it - Kwantung region , Manchuria (CER zone) and there were serious plans for Korea. The ordinary colonial practice of a great power. But these lands were leased for 50 years for very good money - 50 million rubles in gold.
                        So the cruisers were needed, but by no means such a guano.
                        Quote: isaira
                        Another EDB class 2 (so they were credited to the British fleet) could somehow reef come in handy. But he simply did not need the Garibaldians. There were no ships of this class in the RIF. Not purchased and not produced.

                        The English armadillos were not accessible to us (England was an ally of Japan).
                        But “Nisin” and “Kasuga” under Russian names would have come just to the court - in the detachment of armored cruisers.
                        There were no ships of this class?
                        Rurik, Stormbreaker, Russia, as well as Peresvet, Oslyabya, Victory.
                        Insufficient speed of Italians? In practice, no more than 18 - 18,5 knots?
                        With “Relight” and “Russia” it is exactly the same and would go to 18-18,5 knots with the whole detachment.
                        And the Chilean-Argentinean cruisers fit in quite well - "A detachment of armored special-purpose cruisers" - such a name was given in absentia to 10 of these cruisers, who were planning to buy in 1904, and West Africa was supposed to become a rendezvous point (because of which the whole squadron was flooded). But ten English cruisers scared Latin American sellers so much that they refused the deal. And they can be understood.
                        The whole history of that war is involved in intrigues, provocations and treason ... like the history of any war. But then Russia lost ... to a weak adversary on a remote theater, not having time to concentrate forces on time ... And this is largely due to the traitor Witte and the corrupt officials in the Admiralty.
                      3. isaira 29 January 2020 02: 33 New
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                        Quote: bayard
                        The basis of the project proposed by S.K. Ratnik was the English cruiser Talbot

                        Goddess is a scaled Svetlana. Do not even hesitate. I already know what I'm writing. Wick is full of mistakes.
                        Quote: bayard
                        English specialists were invited as consultants. The three-shaft system was chosen following the example of German cruisers. Machines were made by the Society of Franco-Russian Plants.

                        There were no British there even on a cannon shot. The three-machine scheme was chosen because in Russia then there were no good cars of this class. On 2 such machines (the correct twin-screw scheme), Diamond was obtained. On 3 exactly the same machines (wrong 3-screw circuit), the goddesses turned out.
                        German cruisers (some only) did three-shaft because of their near (sea) range. Ocean cruisers made twin-shaft (I will not remember Russia).
                        The fact that the MANUFACTURE of machines was ordered to the Franco-Russian factory does not mean that they were any other, and not Russian, machines (constructively).
                        By the way, the cars were slop three-cylinder. Although then already in full swing were four-cylinder cars.
                        Quote: bayard
                        but by no means such a guano.

                        The most real guano. In almost everything.
                        Quote: bayard
                        English armadillos were not available to us (England is an ally of Japan)

                        Before becoming English they were Chilean. And Britain was a NEUTRAL power to Russia.
                        Quote: bayard
                        But “Nisin” and “Kasuga” under Russian names would have come just to the court - in the detachment of armored cruisers.

                        Respected. There was no “armored cruiser detachment” in the RIF.
                        There was a squad of wretched ships (WOK) in the RIF, consisting of the ancient half-armored cruiser Rurik, the old armored cruiser Russia and the crooked (from birth) armored cruiser Gromoboy (Gromoboy was built only because he did not decide what to build, and the slipway was idle, therefore, they built what the project was ready for). All this was Russian "creativity", so one disabled person was worse than another.
                        All these were armored trade fighter cruisers (raiders). They had to walk alone in the second circles around Japan, but since it was just old junk, they were not allowed to go anywhere alone. Therefore, they went into raids "detachment". Those. a bunch of small.
                        The Garibaldians were “battleships for the poor” (ships of a completely different class). Those. ships for squadron combat of various kinds of goners. But they were bought by the Japanese as armored defenders of trade (in addition to the existing ones). Those. FOR HUNTING A WOK.
                        In the RIF, ships of this class did not exist at all, since the RIF did not need them.
                        I see, huh? WOK, these were hares, Garibaldians, wolves. And you want to combine wolves and hares in one pile. How to bring a motorcycle with a sidecar and a tank into one squad only on the grounds that they both have a machine gun.
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                        as well as Peresvet, Oslyabya, Victory

                        Peresvet and Oslyabya were armadillo-cruisers-fighters of trade. These are the "elder brothers" of Thunderhead and Russia. However, they were designed and built disgustingly, so they dangled all the way not in raids, but at the squadron (Peresvet). But Relight was still nothing, Relight could be used effectively. And Oslyabya, as soon as he fell under the fire of an IMPROVENT enemy (12 "), he immediately grunted. It was disgustingly built, just sucks.
                        The victory was an old (from birth) class 2 EDB. Here's a type of Chilean armadillos, only noticeably worse (Russian construction and construction). In principle, Victory could be used, and used effectively. But for this, the Germans were needed (as at Peresvet). Everywhere, from bottom to top. From mechanic to commander of the RIF.
                        Those. Victory and Relight / Oslyabya were ships of different classes.
                        Quote: bayard
                        Insufficient speed of Italians? In practice, no more than 18 - 18,5 knots?

                        In practice, with 20 new nodes.
                        Quote: bayard
                        With “Relight” and “Russia” it is exactly the same and would go to 18-18,5 knots with the whole detachment.

                        Relight, Russia and the Garibaldians, these are THREE DIFFERENT classes of ships. It would have turned out to be a classic swan, cancer and pike.
                        Quote: bayard
                        "A detachment of armored cruisers for special purposes" - such a name was given in absentia to 10 of these cruisers who were going to buy in 1904 and West Africa was supposed to be a rendezvous point (therefore, the whole squadron was flooded around it).

                        Do not invent nonsense.
                        Quote: bayard
                        But then Russia lost ... to a weak adversary on a remote theater, not having time to concentrate forces on time ...

                        And to whom did not Russia / USSR lose the war? I lost to everyone if I was not under the roof (even in Afghanistan). Under the roof of the Anglo-Saxons, of course.
                        Quote: bayard
                        And all this is largely due to the traitor Witte and the corrupt officials in the Admiralty.

                        You pay less attention to the Admiralty. The defeat of the RIF, this is just a minor nuisance of the REV. The main defeats (as well as battles) of that war took place on land.
                      4. bayard 29 January 2020 03: 50 New
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                        Quote: isaira
                        And Britain was a NEUTRAL power to Russia.

                        Britain had a military alliance with Japan. Against Russia. So there was no smell of neutrality.
                        And the battleships, of course, would not be sold (for the sake of this, they also bought the ships they absolutely needed for their fleet).
                        Quote: isaira
                        There was no “armored cruiser detachment” in the RIF.

                        It could be created to deal with the armored cruisers of Japan from the available and used for a squadron battle with them. In a squadron battle with enemy cruisers, the RIF had an advantage in artillery (10 "GK) and with the Italian ships - numerical superiority (in the RIF would be two b.k. more, in Japan - less).
                        I'm not talking about the balance of power in the procurement of Argentine-Chilean cruisers. It was for that (!) War they were quite out of place.
                        And I'm not going to argue about poor design and bad quality - these are obvious things and I always emphasized them.
                        Quote: isaira

                        Relight, Russia and the Garibaldians, these are THREE DIFFERENT classes of ships. It would have turned out to be a classic swan, cancer and pike.

                        It’s good (for a cruiser) armored ships with powerful weapons (3 ships with 10 "GK) and about the same speed. Acting as a single detachment against used battlecruisers in Japan they would have an advantage. And Japanese 8" shells would not bring them anything fatal, unless the Japanese had an advantage in squadron speed, they could have avoided battle.
                        6 Japanese b.k. against 8 - 9 Russians (Bayan could also take part - his reservation was excellent, albeit not enough weapons, but two 8 "guns) with an advantage in the artillery of Russian cruisers ...
                        And about the “Relights” - they were called armadillos ... temporarily, they were going to reclassify after the arrival of new armadillos at the Pacific Fleet. In the list of 10 battleships of Pacific Fleet, which were to make up the backbone of the fleet 3 “Poltava”, 2 foreigners (Retvizan, Tsesarevich) and 5 type “Borodino”. At the time of the final formation, "Relight" was listed in the list of BC. .
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                        Quote: bayard
                        "A detachment of armored cruisers for special purposes" - such a name was given in absentia to 10 of these cruisers who were going to buy in 1904 and West Africa was supposed to be a rendezvous point (therefore, the whole squadron was flooded around it).

                        Do not invent nonsense.

                        You do not hurt to lift your nose, otherwise the head will spin.
                        On the ships of the second squadron, crews were taken for the Argentine-Chilean cruisers. Vendors were supposed to bring the ships to West Africa and transfer them to the RIF there. But after the arrival of England and the sending of 10 of their latest armored cruisers to intercept the Atlantic (they had been escorting the Russian squadron from Gibraltar for some time), they abandoned their intentions.
                        If not for this adventure, the Russian ships would go through Suez.
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                        And to whom did not Russia / USSR lose the war? I lost to everyone if I was not under the roof (even in Afghanistan). Under the roof of the Anglo-Saxons, of course.

                        Not funny yourself?
                        “Only a friendship with them can be worse than the war with the Anglo-Saxons” - Van Dam - Russian diplomat and intelligence officer.
                        Under your “roof”, RI just lost the WWII.
                        And WWII won despite a “friendship” with you.
                        I won the nuclear race and already won the Cold War ... but you managed to drag your agents into the leadership of the Union (Gorbachev, Shevarnadha, Yakovlev) and my country did not ...
                        Now it’s your turn to go into oblivion - voluntarily or “just die”.
                        Well, and we ... we'll still live.
                        Debt good turn deserves another . bully
              2. isaira 28 January 2020 23: 25 New
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                Quote: PSih2097
                who secured themselves for the rest of their lives on bribes from the British and French Rothschilds ...

                And you are sitting on whose bribes? Who are you taking from?
            2. isaira 28 January 2020 23: 15 New
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              Quote: bayard
              One “Novikov” could be obtained before its start 3 - 4 pcs.

              Russia did not buy series, but samples for reproduction. Therefore, ALL types of ships were purchased in one copy. And all the ships were of DIFFERENT classes. Unless Bogatyr, Bayan and Askold were generally not far from each other (as intended).
              Quote: bayard
              + technical support for the construction of such ships in Russia, and instead ... a detective for the theft of technical documentation, intrigue, failure to meet the deadlines for the "pebbles".

              Nonsense. Novik was sold with all the documentation and a license for reproduction.
              Quote: bayard
              However, by the beginning of the RPE, we could already build at a fairly fast pace, especially if it was a serial ship.

              It can be and could build at a fast pace. But the ships did not know how to design. Therefore, they built God knows what, and not military units.
              1. bayard 29 January 2020 02: 19 New
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                Quote: isaira

                Russia did not buy series, but samples for reproduction. Therefore, ALL types of ships were purchased in one copy. And all the ships were of DIFFERENT classes. Unless Bogatyr, Bayan and Askold were generally not far from each other (as intended).

                The Varangians have forgotten.
                The problem is that, knowing the timing of the execution of Japanese orders, it was obvious that the Japanese would be ready for war already in 1903, and Russia not earlier than the end of 1904 and the beginning of 1905. The solution was to order the missing ships at foreign shipyards with the execution of orders no later than 1902 - 1903.
                And the German shipyards, which built Russia the best cruisers in their class of that war, could fulfill this order. This is especially true for Novik - it was built earlier and the Shihau company was ready to transfer the entire technical documentation package and license for free if Russia orders two more such cruisers. The cruiser was handed over to the customer and put into operation in 1901 (laid down on February 29, 1900, launched on August 2, 1900), so that by the start of the war Russia could get at least 2 more, and preferably 3 cruisers. Plus, Shihau was ready to provide technical support for the construction of such cruisers in Russian shipyards.
                But the Witte slogan “support the domestic manufacturer” led to stupid bickering and, ultimately, to the direct theft of technical documentation from a German company. As a result, there was only one Novik in Port Arthur (of this class and quality), and the pebbles barely ripened to Tsushima.
                And all this "stupidity", sloppiness and "wanted the best" cover up banal treason, sabotage and wrecking. What is not new under the moon, but on such a scale, recklessness and consequences (to everyone) looks egregious, but already textbook.
                Well, now you can curl, because you appeared on the site for this. wink bully
                1. isaira 29 January 2020 03: 05 New
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                  Quote: bayard
                  The Varangians have forgotten.

                  The Varangian had nothing to do with Bogatyr, Bayan and Askold.
                  The Varangian was a large trade fighter cruiser (the younger brother of Russia).
                  Bogatyr, Bayan and Askold were big trade defense cruisers (younger Elsvik brothers).
                  Quote: bayard
                  it was obvious that the Japanese would be ready for war as early as 1903.

                  Nothing was obvious. Asians NEVER EVER in this history attacked Europeans (Russians considered themselves Europeans). And the Europeans attacked, while coping with the Asians with small forces.
                  The Russians thought in the same vein. But everything turned out differently. At the same time, it is not to say that the Japans somehow fought well (they fought disgustingly, which was confirmed in the course of both 1MB and 2MB). It’s just that the Russians fought even worse.
                  Quote: bayard
                  And the German shipyards that built Russia the best cruisers in their class of that war

                  Well, no matter how you say this about Askold. It was a bad ship for that theater of action (made for the Baltic). This was understood immediately after its purchase, so they additionally bought the Bogatyr.
                  Quote: bayard
                  Novika "- it was built earlier and the Shihau company was ready to transfer the entire technical documentation package and license for free if Russia orders two more such cruisers.

                  But Russia ordered 1 cruiser, and also bought a license to clone Novik in Russia. The result is known, Emerald with Pearls (Novik's "improved design") sucks. Like Oleg ("improved project" of the Athlete).
                  Quote: bayard
                  so that by the start of the war Russia could get at least 2 more, and preferably 3 cruisers.

                  A newcomer in the Far East was not really needed. He was a close advocate of trade, but what was he supposed to protect? It could be adapted as a scout for the slow-moving Bayan. But the Russian admirals did not look so far.
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                  and finally to the direct theft of technical documentation from a German company.

                  Do not make me laugh. Novik immediately bought with the condition of cloning in Russia. Otherwise, it simply would not be bought. Since everyone was interested not in him, but in his cars.
                  Quote: bayard
                  And all this "stupidity", sloppiness and "wanted the best" cover up banal treason, sabotage and wrecking.

                  Imbalance is a common state of Russian society. Society is unbalanced and therefore has no fulcrum. What staggers, dangles and stumbles.
                  Being mentally purely Islamic society (the tartars of their genes did not disappear anywhere), it is "played" when in Christianity (Russia), and when in sectarianism (Muscovy, and later the USSR, but sectarianism in the USSR was different).
                2. bayard 29 January 2020 05: 07 New
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                  Well, read on in your parallel reality. In your dreams, you still steer smile Drive another.
                  You are probably a beginner on this site, otherwise you would have known that the topic of the RNE was disassembled here, studied and reassembled, and what I have brought here has already been examined a hundred rows - with all possible sources and screenshots of documents. smile
                  And here you are smile ... with its "truth." Over 115 years, the REV has been “outplayed” so many times, so many historians, writers, and military in headquarters. fellow So here at VO this topic pops up from time to time - in article cycles and on forums ... after all, Askomin has already been filled with people like you to discuss ... request
                  Hating my homeland is your profession, that’s understandable. wink
                  But precisely because it is understandable, your work is ungrateful and mournful, as in Sisyphus. lol This is me about the expected result of your work ... I hope, at least they pay well ... smile
  • Greg Miller 27 January 2020 14: 25 New
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    Here is the main engine of high-speed construction projects in China.
    1. Lexus 27 January 2020 16: 45 New
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      Here is the main engine of high-speed construction projects in China

      In Russia, the “engine” is, to say the least, counterfeit. It does not pull, it is often idle due to “breaking” and “spare parts” imported.
    2. meandr51 27 January 2020 23: 10 New
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      This is nonsense. Shoots a small percentage of the plane trees. It just take out the trash. They solved a more difficult task that cannot be solved by simple executions. They raised consciousness and revived the concept of conscience. Suppose in Chinese, but still. In the Union, our parents and grandfathers also worked not for fear, but for conscience. From fear, you can only dig a hole quickly ...
  • The popuas 27 January 2020 13: 12 New
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    Stop praying for tinsel. He can only raise the salary of the Russian Guard for 100% for beating fellow citizens at rallies and reduce benefits for cancer patients! It's only the beginning hi And the Chinese are working for money, we would have paid at least $ 10 an hour, would have worked and didn’t drink!
    1. Golovan Jack 27 January 2020 13: 34 New
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      Quote: Popuas
      we would be paid at least $ 10 per hour would work and not drink

      That is, for a salary of “at least” at 110000 re per month (176 * 10 * 62.6 = 110176) you are ready to “work and not drink” yes

      Salary, and the truth is normal. What can you do? wink
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      2. Golovan Jack 27 January 2020 14: 04 New
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        Well, well ... next. I want the details what exactly is "everything" you "can do it with your hands" laughing
        1. Rusland 27 January 2020 16: 27 New
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          Novel hi , why catch it in words, in terms of manipulations with the hands. request Remember in Yaroslav Hasek one individual with two hands was poking around in each nostril. And all this during the drill. belay
          1. The popuas 27 January 2020 16: 40 New
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            Podliz counted.
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              Quote: Popuas
              Podliz counted.

              But minus put breathing was not enough? wink Or tail busy, to cover one place. winked
              1. The popuas 27 January 2020 17: 40 New
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                Another reason
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                  Quote: Popuas
                  Another reason

                  Well, okay, a bunch of extra records for you to sign. yes
        2. The popuas 27 January 2020 16: 39 New
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          You see, the head ... if everyone leaves for IT people, you will die of hunger .. On this I take off, because I don’t see the point of pouring you from empty to old! hi
          1. Golovan Jack 27 January 2020 16: 44 New
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            Quote: Popuas
            if everyone leaves for IT you will die of hunger ..

            All will not leave. And so if - with my hands I can do a lot of things too, we can compete wink

            Quote: Popuas
            I don’t see the point with you from the empty to the former to pour

            And what difference does it make to you - you will love to do exactly that. Craftsman, damn it, "hands" laughing
          2. Rusland 27 January 2020 16: 50 New
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            Quote: Popuas
            You see, the head ... if everyone leaves for IT people, you will die of hunger .. On this I take off, because I don’t see the point of pouring you from empty to old! hi

            As they say, and you do not die, it is better not to get sick and do not get sick. Dill, or what? Some kind of Bandera dialect. laughing
      3. SOVIET UNION 2 27 January 2020 21: 31 New
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        That is, for a salary of “at least” at 110000 re per month (176 * 10 * 62.6 = 110176) you are ready to “work and not drink” yes

        Salary, and the truth is normal. What can you do? wink
        I can drink. I can not drink. laughing Ready to pay for what? wassat
  • at84432384 27 January 2020 16: 57 New
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    The authorities of China and the authorities in the Russian Federation have different goals. The Chinese teach children, and, therefore, quickly and efficiently build schools. The Russian authorities have to cut the budget and make the people illiterate (as a few years ago at the PEF, the Gref made it easy to say that it is easier to manipulate the population), and for this endless “coordination” is a feeder for powerful loafers. The Russian government works in Russia on a rotational basis — their money, families, and real estate have long been abroad. So it is not necessary to learn from the Chinese, but to change the socio-political system. And we know how to work, for the twentieth century, two times the country was raised from ruins.
  • max702 27 January 2020 23: 04 New
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    produces independently, does not depend on anyone and is not afraid of any sanctions. The author whistled artistically .. And pretty much, the whole Chinese hi-tech is made on machines from Japan, Germany, Switzerland on those cards mainly from the USA, and if you want to find materials about it it’s not difficult, and that’s what is the main weapon in the US-China war on the part of the USA .. There will be no routine software update on the machines and all of the Chinese high-tech will get up all at once .. So there is no need for fairy tales about independence .. To the question why we don’t have this? the answer is simple. They are afraid of us, yes, yes, that’s how they didn’t sell us Opel and the bankrupt Tatra because of the fear of quickly mastering the technology, but there are no such fears with the Chinese .. since fundamental science is not a copy machine, but much more complicated .. Therefore, China does not bark at Trump's delusional claims and very prudently behave in sensitive issues with Russia .. What bourgeoisie obviously have than to squeeze them Faberge ..
    But as for And believe me, they pay quite well: those involved in the “high-speed” construction in Wuhan will receive approximately $ 170 per shift for urgency. It's not about specialists, but about the most ordinary hard workers. However, in normal mode, he gets $ 50-60 per shift. Three times less, of course, but also, you see, not bad. Then here we can only welcome! The Chinese are just great! Unlike our bigwigs .. By the way, on the Power of Siberia, the Chinese, as you know, built their part themselves and when they flew to us on inspection visits they talked a bit so the average salary on the SS was 65-70t / rub, and the Chinese have at least three times as much! Moreover, the construction conditions they had were clearly simpler than ours in Yakutia .. Both in logistics and in the climate .. Although we paid for what, after all, these 65-70 thousand were after all the poverty of wages in the hinterland of the country .. Although the trickle it was terrible that, in principle, the leadership was not paradoxically encouraged and quite.
  • Nikolai Grek 28 January 2020 17: 32 New
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    Now it’s not a sin for us to learn some things from them.

    in this case, they’ll cover it first ... and many commentators will go to places not so distant (or to those very construction sites) !!! wink wassat
  • smaug78 27 January 2020 09: 32 New
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    They give less to steal, but if you get caught, then ... And not like ours ... Yes, the people and the party communicate in the same language ...
  • Andrey Chistyakov 27 January 2020 09: 32 New
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    How was the Power of Siberia gas pipeline built? Could you tell?
    1. Vol4ara 27 January 2020 10: 26 New
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      Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
      How was the Power of Siberia gas pipeline built? Could you tell?

      And what does someone say in the article that we cannot build gas pipelines? This is exactly what we do best, only not inside the country and not at sea.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov 27 January 2020 10: 30 New
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        Quote: Vol4ara
        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        How was the Power of Siberia gas pipeline built? Could you tell?

        And what does someone say in the article that we cannot build gas pipelines? This is exactly what we do best, only not inside the country and not at sea.

        That is, we can still build !!!!! I did not find this in the article.
        1. Vol4ara 27 January 2020 10: 38 New
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          Quote: Vol4ara
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          How was the Power of Siberia gas pipeline built? Could you tell?

          And what does someone say in the article that we cannot build gas pipelines? This is exactly what we do best, only not inside the country and not at sea.

          That is, we can still build !!!!! I did not find this in the article.

          Because the article is about speed, not about opportunity. Look in the article on India’s nuclear reactors, and when you don’t find it, write, write, write
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        2. New Year day 27 January 2020 11: 55 New
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          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          That is, we can still build !!!!!

          It turns out, only pipelines. Here is the completion of the Nord Stream and will give confirmation laughing
          The only question is, who needs these pipelines?
          1. Andrey Chistyakov 27 January 2020 11: 56 New
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            You do not need anything.
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              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
              You do not need anything.

              The answer is not counted, there is nothing to object, only empty words laughing
              Learn the question, political instructor
          2. Yehudi Menuhin 27 January 2020 12: 18 New
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            That is, how- to whom? TKM who builds, those who produce pipes, finally to those who will receive gas on them for an unprecedented price. wink
    2. YOUR 27 January 2020 10: 52 New
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      Not completed yet. They brought only to the Amur region and China in the area of ​​Blagoveshchensk. It was originally planned from the Chayandinskoye field to Vladivostok with a length of almost 4000 km. Started to build in 2014. During this time, the cost has risen from 800 billion rubles to 1.1 trillion and this is not the final price. I can’t imagine how much oil and gas I need to pump through it to pay off. It was built mainly by experts invited from all over the world, there were none of their own. Now they are building in the city of Svobodny Gas Processing Plant. They say that either the largest in the world or one of the largest. Work alone migrant workers. Today - 25 thousand people. The gas processing plant will work for China, which means that the Chinese simply carried out dirty production from their territory.
      Something like this.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov 27 January 2020 10: 56 New
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        Note. From February 1, gas will go. Teach a materiel.
        1. YOUR 27 January 2020 11: 56 New
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          For information on December 2, 2019, Putin and Xi Jinping launched the Chinese pipeline branch. Gas has been supplied since December 2, 2019. What I wrote about in my comment. As you wrote there, learn the materiel, so teach it and do not use unverified sources.
          The pipeline did not go further than the Amur Region; construction has not yet been carried out. The pipe did not cross the Zeya River, nor Bureya, nor even Cupid. Something like this. Note.
          1. Andrey Chistyakov 27 January 2020 11: 58 New
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            Well yes. News FM is not a verified source. Only you to "read."
            1. YOUR 27 January 2020 12: 13 New
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              You try to type the Power of Siberia in a search engine and you will know everything without me and you will not be happy with swaras. Here on this site, however, the focus is slightly different.
            2. YOUR 27 January 2020 12: 14 New
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              Read here https://lenta.ru/news/2019/12/02/sila/?utm_source=lentatg&utm_medium=social
        2. New Year day 27 January 2020 11: 58 New
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          From February 1, gas will go.


          In what volume? Power 38 billion? laughing there is still much to do before reaching this indicator. Again, specify the composition of the gas laughing
          1. Andrey Chistyakov 27 January 2020 11: 59 New
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            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            From February 1, gas will go.


            In what volume? Power 38 billion? laughing there is still much to do before reaching this indicator. Again, specify the composition of the gas laughing

            You do not write to me. Do not. Svarog is waiting for you.
            1. New Year day 27 January 2020 12: 09 New
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              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

              You do not write to me. Do not. Svarog is waiting for you.

              Nothing to argue, only words. You are facts, you are nothing, just a transition to individuals. Slabak - learn materiel:
              The Power of Siberia turned out to be very expensive in construction: it went up from 800 billion rubles to 1,1 trillion, but the country will have to wait for the profit from its operation. Gazprom in the contract pegged the price of gas to oil, based on its cost of $ 110 per barrel. However, today quotes are twisting at the level of 65 dollars. The pumping volume is 38 billion cubic meters, although now they plan to pump 5 billion cubic meters of gas per year.
              In order to reach the declared 38 billion cubic meters per year, it will take about another 10 years. And for this you need:
              to develop not only the Chayandinskoye field, but also the Kovykta field. It is necessary to connect these deposits with a new pipe for another 900 kilometers. Drill new wells, put new compressors, bring to mind, build a gas processing plant in the Amur region.
              In such conditions, the “Power of Siberia” will not pay off before 2048.
              At the same time, in 2017, Minister of Energy Alexander Novak, speaking in the State Duma, said that this was not a commercial project. That is, he will never pay off.
              China does not want to wait so much.
              China has partnered with a liquefied natural gas project in the Arctic. Russian authorities donated this gas to an international consortium led by Novatek. This gas will belong to an international consortium, including the Chinese. For 12 years, this consortium, including and China does not pay any taxes to Russia. Nothing at all. China gets its liquefied gas.
      2. New Year day 27 January 2020 12: 05 New
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        Quote: YOUR
        Not completed yet.


        Do not prove to them. If Putin said, “gas has gone,” then they believe him, although he did not go or did not go there. Blind Vera is so nice laughing
        1. YOUR 27 January 2020 13: 04 New
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          This question is not so much political as technical. On December 2, 2019, the Chinese part of the pipeline was opened and pipe filling began. All this part of the pipeline worked. From the Chayandinskoye field to the river. Cupid and further to China. Crossing the Amur River in the region of Blagoveshchensk.
          But the entire pipeline and gas pipeline and oil pipeline must go to Vladivostok. I already wrote the gas pipeline to which point I reached. The oil pipeline reached the urban settlement Skovorodino. Further oil to the tanks and tutu by rail. Ahead is even more than 2 thousand km. And such crossings through not the smallest rivers like Zeya Bureya, Cupid. I don’t think that in the next 5-7 years it will finish. Especially against the background of all the Streams that they decided to finish building themselves. First, we have everything for a foreign neighbor, and then maybe for the country what remains.
    3. cradle 27 January 2020 11: 04 New
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      long, here's how
      1. Andrey Chistyakov 27 January 2020 11: 05 New
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        Quote: besik
        long, here's how

        Yes horror.
    4. SOVIET UNION 2 27 January 2020 21: 41 New
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      This pipeline is more like ** The Power of China ** than ** The Power of Siberia **. What are we pulling this force into China? Why is it that our forces go abroad? And in the country force cannot be directed in any way? Judging by the revelation expressed by the leadership, it is impossible. Russians pay in rubles, not currency. Therefore, all forces are thrown on the currency! laughing
  • Romka 27 January 2020 09: 35 New
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    I recently watched on YouTube how roads are built in China - it's just fantastic. For us.
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      Quote: Romka
      I recently watched on YouTube how roads are built in China - it's just fantastic.

      There is their film in several series about the construction of roads and high-rise buildings, I'm afraid to lie, but it seems now they are producing cement in a year as much as the states in 100 years.
      1. Romka 27 January 2020 10: 02 New
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        I tell the following story: two identical objects - one is built by ours (RF and RB), the second - by the Chinese. In winter, the Chinese did not work (they did not bother with heating concrete). At the exit, after two years, the Chinese even overtook several. Moreover, the Chinese have all their materials.
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  • Maks1995 27 January 2020 09: 36 New
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    The internet is full of videos - how the Chinese are building ....
    Awesome sight.
    Alas, they, and not us, are taking the 1st place in the world around ...
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      Awesome sight! But they probably don’t have a site ** Made with us **. Therefore, such a pace of work. wink We have a website, they have a job! laughing It seems that there is no site how they work in Russia.
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  • tihonmarine 27 January 2020 09: 45 New
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    That is, construction work as such should be completed in 6-7 days. Fantasy?
    And in any other state during this time only trailers and toilets for workers will be brought up.
  • Vladimir_2U 27 January 2020 09: 47 New
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    Moreover, very often there is no talk of planned profit and, in the monetary sense, they invest strictly in development.
  • Loess 27 January 2020 09: 48 New
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    They can let them drive a whole "herd" of excavators into the construction of the hospital, and not mess around, as we have with one that is always breaking.
    In addition, in fact, builders also need to have a staff of doctors, who will also instantly be in the newly built hospital.
    That is, construction work as such should be completed in 6-7 days
    It is impressive of course, but it would be fair to indicate the beginning of work on the zero cycle. No, I’m more than sure that these terms will be short, but still it’s also interesting.
    why can't we do that ?! Or can we?
    I don’t know whether it is fast or not because I have no relation to construction, but here’s what I’m watching. In our country, the district is being actively built up with 9-16 storey houses. So a year passes from the foundation pit to the delivery of the house. Houses, as a rule, surrender with decoration. Although not all. The most interesting thing is that I practically do not see builders there. Occasionally, a dozen people watch. Sometimes you can see that the work goes almost until midnight, but not so often. Those. the main work is carried out during the day, while I am also at work. No dozens of pieces of equipment or hundreds of workers succeeding each other in three shifts. And houses in 9 floors, not a 3-story hospital building. So it’s logical to assume that we can. There would be a need, but we can do it.
    In general, I somehow saw several programs about large construction projects in China - almost everywhere, work is carried out around the clock. This means that in addition to proper organization and uninterrupted financing and supply, they lack such a problem as a lack of human reserves. I remember there was a program about the construction of a bridge where welders had to work inside metal structures and the temperature there reached high values. So with round-the-clock operation there, welders were changed every two hours.
    1. PSih2097 27 January 2020 16: 05 New
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      yes it’s easier to compare the lending rate for the purchase of construction equipment in China 3%, and even with leasing we have at least 13%, then China produces all the necessary construction equipment at home, and here ??? Germans Chinese Japanese with Americans ...
    2. SOVIET UNION 2 27 January 2020 22: 01 New
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      they lack such a problem as a lack of human reserves.
      Having a human reserve is when you take anyone? The question is probably worth the availability of so many frames. And where do they come from? So the vocational education system works very clearly ?!
  • Vasily Ponomarev 27 January 2020 09: 49 New
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    it’s better to keep it better than it is now, I recently saw a video where the whole bus is! went under the asphalt, and several people died in the pit,
    1. Vol4ara 27 January 2020 10: 30 New
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      it’s better to keep it better than it is now, I recently saw a video where the whole bus is! went under the asphalt, and several people died in the pit,

      Not this case https://youtu.be/mGefSNF20_k
      But no, there are not Chinese
      1. Vasily Ponomarev 27 January 2020 13: 15 New
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        no, it was much worse, to be honest too lazy to look for the link, I saw on the blog, ru chp
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        Not this case https://youtu.be/mGefSNF20_k

        no, here it is !!! fool

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLjzJq5PlpU
  • Million 27 January 2020 09: 55 New
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    They don’t have Putin with Medvedev and the other Chubais. They would all have collapsed and sold ...
    1. St Petrov 27 January 2020 10: 09 New
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      For such comments, they simply tie them to a metal chair and conduct a conversation, and such commentators begin to experience problems in their personal lives. Maybe success is also connected with this? But what if
      1. Million 27 January 2020 10: 28 New
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        You, Petrov, use your head only as a driver between food and stomach
      2. Vol4ara 27 January 2020 10: 33 New
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        For such comments, they simply tie them to a metal chair and conduct a conversation, and such commentators begin to experience problems in their personal lives. Maybe success is also connected with this? But what if

        Yeah, and they put in a bottle where you don’t need to, and they throw drugs, even to journalists, and beat him with rubber truncheons. Petrov, everything is true, you only made mistakes in countries
        1. St Petrov 27 January 2020 10: 39 New
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          Yeah, and another bottle is inserted wherever needed.

          here you can immediately see the fair-faced with VO with fantasies of presence about the "Dalniy" department. Has history hooked you? I have seen many such bottle thinkers on the Censor. Here the jokers sit and sometimes break free from the menagerie and broadcast it on different resources

          they throw drugs, even to journalists

          especially for such, he later commented on the work of a journalist in Russia

          “Russia is a pretty pleasant country for the work of journalists. There are a lot of stories, a lot of open information, a lot of open state registries that help investigative journalists even in many countries. If we want to know the property owner in France or the UK, we cannot do this in one minute, how can this be done in Russia", - he said on Wednesday at the conference" Freedom of the media and the safety of journalists in Russia. "

          you only made mistakes in countries

          look at what a fashionable chair you would have and you would say with tears that you just rolled and, in principle, "Putin Glory!"

          Your hundred of knights would be here with VO (it’s a pity that half from behind the hill), as in a classroom, before the investigators I would sit and tell stories strictly in turn about your fight on the site

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            Everyone was waiting for when they started to torture him with electric current, damn damn nothing just looked (((
      3. Sgt. 27 January 2020 10: 53 New
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        and here Derzhimorda appeared
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          and here Derzhimorda appeared


          well, he came and was offended right away. Do not. But this is not so with us. we can moan on forums in the struggle with the Kremlin. That you immediately tensed and put a minus. Relax
      4. AU Ivanov. 27 January 2020 10: 53 New
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        I don’t know about the chair, but for the incontinence of the tongue in the Middle Kingdom they simply lower the social rating. And that's all - you're nobody. They won’t take them to work, they won’t sell train tickets, and there’s a whole bunch of different life restrictions. This is not Russia for you, where you can say anything.
    2. Vladimir_2U 27 January 2020 10: 12 New
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      You write as if you regretted the Chinese! laughing
  • demo 27 January 2020 09: 59 New
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    Author.
    Regarding the general perception of construction, you are right.
    But in the little things the devil sits.
    First.
    In the photo that you attached to the article, a large number of excavators carry out the planning of the construction site.
    And this is work for bulldozers.
    Second.
    Such an accumulation of equipment, without observing fire safety techniques, can lead to serious accidents. A dozen pieces of equipment will burn out, due to the ignition of one, and hello Masha.
    The third.
    Technical gaps between operating equipment are not respected - this creates the possibility of injury to workers.
    And a bunch of all kinds of violations.

    Following.
    You can collect 2 floors of reinforced concrete structures (not large areas) per day, but it is possible to drive 2-3-4 floors of a monolith, but then you need to stop and wait.
    And no accelerators of chemical reactions in concrete will help.

    One more.
    Without geological exploration of the site, building is crazy.
    And the five-story buildings that came down in the Chinese provinces from the hillsides are the answer to the question about the compliance of the work performed with safety requirements.

    And I, a professional builder, have a lot of such comments.

    Even those cities that were built at a record pace are no longer needed by anyone.
    The question arises - why they built it and why there was a hurry.
    There is only one answer: to create a mass of jobs, provide the population with work, give a certain salary, and reduce social tension.
    I see no other.
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      And a bunch of all kinds of violations.

      China is now in time trouble ... I agree with your comments ... but the coronovirus epidemic in this case is the catalyst for all this ... there is too little time to comply with all standards.
      1. demo 27 January 2020 12: 37 New
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        It’s easier to order ready-made mobile field hospitals of the Arctic execution (Norway, Sweden, Canada, USA), and assemble them in a week. Capacity for 100000-20000 people.
        Then make out.
        There is a set of everything you need.
        I had one disassembled American.
        I did not collect it, but I sold components.
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        And then the building will collapse? However, the Chinese will easily find the culprit and shoot them quickly! ... They seem to do it quickly. There are many people! Not that we have here ...
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      Quote: demo
      In the photo that you attached to the article, a large number of excavators carry out the planning of the construction site.
      And this is work for bulldozers.

      Now in the West it’s not a bulldozer, but an excavator. Before the New Year, between my office and new buildings, a road was made about 200 meters long using an excavator, skating rink, rammer and asphalt paver. In just one and a half working days.
      1. Andrey VOV 27 January 2020 11: 04 New
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        Maybe there will be walls from the so-called sandwich panels? It's faster than pouring a monolith ... if the number of floors is small then maybe you can use a screw foundation? I'm not a builder, maybe I'm wrong
      2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 27 January 2020 12: 57 New
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        On small volumes, such excavators are the most it is - it cannot withstand large and very large volumes, it just breaks. Alas. In Soviet times, with a pit volume of 10 thousand cubic meters. we used only draglines of the EO-10011 model with a bucket volume of 2-4 cubic meters. rather than 0,75-1,0 cu. m., like these kids on the airway.
    3. cradle 27 January 2020 11: 13 New
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      I support the respected Wang ... because- quickly does not happen. Well, I do not believe that everything from the formwork is set in tolerances. Or the project is the most stuffed and + blinds to tolerances. I can object to geological exploration that perhaps they have already been carried out, but I’m not very sure about it.
      1. demo 27 January 2020 12: 40 New
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        Any geological data is obsolete.
        Especially in our technogenic age.
        Nature begins to react in the same way to our activity in an accelerated form.
        Yesterday was a normal basis.
        And today, karst has appeared.

        Geologists have always bothered me.
        They will come, with a smart look for a month, poking holes.
        Let the fog go.
        Will leave.
        And then.....
        Then you need to cook money.
        And then the conclusion will be given such that you can’t go there.
      2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 27 January 2020 12: 51 New
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        Geological engineering surveys could have been carried out earlier for other buildings - here in Ukraine, customers have long been saving on this by taking materials from neighboring facilities or old materials from the Soviet era (institutes of the GIINTIZ network were in every regional center and engineering geology of different times there sea!) At my very home, geology reports from a dozen different objects of Ukraine still lie. I don’t throw it away - it may be useful to colleagues in the future; it happens that you just throw something into the waste paper, someone stomps with a request - but is there no such thing? ... Better let it all lie, die - the children will hand it over in the waste paper or take it out to the trash!
        1. demo 27 January 2020 13: 12 New
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          Kopeika penny gained.
          More precisely, the hryvnia.
          Do not throw away.
    4. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 27 January 2020 12: 26 New
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      I support you, colleague: I, too, have been a professional builder all my life - a little time builder (1,5 years) a military builder and for 34,5 years in civil, industrial and special construction / passed from the master to the head of the SSMU /, - SEE THIS PHOTO FROM THE “HUNDRED” OF EXCAVATORS, I AM MANY! ... This work and volumes are not for excavators of this type at all - here you need to use a couple of draglines and a dozen powerful bulldozers similar to our Soviet “S-100/130” or “KOMATSU” ( Japan). However, it is possible and scrappers too. But I do not know their soil, therefore it is difficult to say.
      And in this photo, I'm sorry, the Chinese window dressing !!! However, let the Chinese comrades not be offended - I have seen such a show in the past in the USSR as well. We, too, were able to show the customer’s representatives or elderly uncles from the regional committees and the party’s Central Committee ...
      1. karabass 27 January 2020 14: 48 New
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        What the fuck are draglines? Why are they here? Did you really work with the technique? Scrapers now in the afternoon with fire can not be found! machinists old people just stayed! However, draglines are almost gone! But in vain! The scraper is so highly specialized that it is UNFAVORABLE to keep it!
        Probably doing some finishing work?
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 27 January 2020 17: 55 New
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          From 1995 to 2005 he was engaged in the immersion of driven prismatic reinforced concrete piles, and at the same time, in a fragment of pits under his own pile fields; pyramidal piles of small lengths were also slightly hammered (up to 3-4 meters, depending on geology); I was a little busy with bored - they were only in fashion in Ukraine then.
          There were draglines and a scraper on my site. Elderly men or pensioners were already working then - we began to experience personnel hunger from about 1993, alas ...
          If interested, I can pick up photos of old objects! The photos were on the Internet, but a couple of years ago I deleted them, because I have many enemies on this earth. Old photos on a flash drive - I'll take it to work tomorrow and grab it if it's really interesting to you. Or write me on my email. address [email protected]
          Alas, I never did any decoration ... It was even uninteresting!
    5. Disorder 27 January 2020 13: 09 New
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      Here one more trifle emerges: all this horde of excavators needs to be transported and refueled. It turns out that behind the scenes there remains a rather big horde of transporters and tankers.
      1. demo 27 January 2020 13: 14 New
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        In a dream today, the son spoke about this photo.
        Well, I tossed off to him, with a dozen of problems interfaced with this, I threw.
        Let the Chinese act as they want.
        Their problems. And their merits.
        We can’t do this, but we don’t need to.
    6. karabass 27 January 2020 14: 40 New
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      All you write is true! even to conduct work in parallel and not consistently unprofitable and harmful
      During the Olympiad 80, there was a case when the deputy minister earned a heart attack: The object had already been delivered, but nothing there (it didn’t even start) He immediately reported the emergency, appointed a commission on Monday Over the weekend, 400 construction workers built a two-story building in 3 shifts, finished it, made it beautification, painted grass, dug the Christmas trees. Deputy Minister saw and lay down!
      I, as a builder, are concerned about an enormous amount of waste paper, into which I have to translate blank sheets of a4 and a3 format making executive documentation! From year to year it becomes more and more! We have already become the object of ridicule for Turkish builders because of so many unknown waste paper
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 27 January 2020 17: 59 New
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        Yes ... the executive has become no less, that's for sure! ... Sometimes we even translate larger formats than A3 !!!
    7. SOVIET UNION 2 27 January 2020 22: 21 New
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      create a lot of jobs, provide the population with work, give a certain salary, reduce social stress

      ... Is it in China today a 30s type depression in the USA? And to relieve stress in society, they are doing useless work? In the states today, oil shale is mined from idleness? And so smoothly approach the issue of excess population? And it is either disposed of in wars, or sent to construction sites in peacetime. But in peacetime, the population also multiplies. Judging by the number of poor and unemployed in the world, is this an extra population? It turns out that the world today is on the verge of a global cataclysm when it is necessary to reset the ballast? And China apparently is not in vain building up its military power. You came up with interesting ideas demo (Van). hi
    8. remal 29 January 2020 03: 08 New
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      Skyscraper in 360 hours. And there is no welding and concrete there, everything keeps on bolts, like bridges on the BAM. At the same time, earthquake resistance is higher than in an ordinary building.

  • carstorm 11 27 January 2020 10: 08 New
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    The secret is performance. it was always their human resource that was the main and permanent. the Chinese do not arrange breaks every hour and do not discuss any garbage. they work every day for 12 hours with a maximum of one day off per week. they don’t have so many holidays and weekends. they haven’t decided to leave work before the bosses. Work in China is based on discipline. If they said that the building will be built before September 8, it will be so. In China, they don’t understand the words "we need to extend the deadlines. There are the shortest vacations that can be imagined in general, and even more so for a Russian person. 5 days and then not every year if you are lucky.
    Short-term employees are entitled to only 5 days of paid leave per year. But after working for 10 years, you can get 10 days to rest. For those whose experience has exceeded 20 years, paid leave in China is 15 days. will Russians work like that? yeah. shchaz.
    1. cloud catcher 27 January 2020 10: 15 New
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      There are such concepts as surveys, design, examination, examination, construction technology, etc. Even if all terms are minimized, capital construction cannot be so short. If this, of course, is not a campground or a block-and-assembly one-story building with built-in equipment and communications.
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 27 January 2020 12: 42 New
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        In order. No research is impossible! If designing and designing can be parallelized, then breaking the technology and reducing it by dozens of times will not work, alas ... We here in Ukraine about ten years ago we erected the granaries of the NIBULON network along the river banks and near the railway stations at the shock pace. One set of elevators took about three months. Built around the clock. Everyone broke the technology! Everything and in everything !!! ... When delivering the work to us, the contractors and subcontractors, the customer "threw" as he could ... Then nobody wanted to work with "NIBULON" after that.
        And now what? These granaries have been empty for several years, and around them are sagging roads, broken and rusty structures, and local residents plundering metal, although half-drunken guards roam around, but they are again from the locals, and the locals will not particularly catch locals. economics and politics, but builders need to build quality, without violating technology, observing consistency, etc.
    2. AU Ivanov. 27 January 2020 10: 23 New
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      In China, a competition for the place of an ordinary janitor. People from the province are standing in line. I personally saw how the Chinese worked in a greenhouse farm in our Novgorod region, about 10 years ago. This pace of work and the enemy do not wish. Robots, not humans.
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 27 January 2020 14: 03 New
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        In 2005-2006, while working in Ashgabat, I saw Chinese contractors working at a construction site near our site. I agree: robots, not humans. Neither smoke breaks, nor go to the toilet for half an hour or drink or chat, then with a smoke break also again - yes, the Chinese have trained their people, the result is awesome!
    3. cradle 27 January 2020 11: 17 New
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      You probably haven’t been at a construction site for a long time. Smoke breaks, if they are satisfied, because at -40 or -50 you won’t work much as a regular. This is not subtropics for you. I myself freeze at the appliance until cold chills. So there is no need to idealize the Chinese and belittle Russian hard workers. And they often stupidly throw our salaries, which is unlikely in China
      1. carstorm 11 27 January 2020 11: 28 New
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        I do not belittle, but I say as it is according to the laws and regulations. At each enterprise, management has to solve the problem of uncontrolled interruptions that reduce work efficiency. Employees simply gather in a smoking room or somewhere else, often in groups, and do not work on duty, arguing that they have a legal break. Over time, the number and duration of such breaks only grow, and they can last longer than the work itself. It is very difficult to deal with such abuses, all the more so since a bad example is contagious, and if several such workers have appeared, then most of the rest will soon begin to neglect their duties to one degree or another - the level of labor discipline will drop. this is not possible in China in principle.
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 27 January 2020 13: 54 New
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          Your comment is suitable for time-attendants. Workers work differently and do not need to be customized! They themselves will chase any engineers if there is no material, the tool has broken or some other problems and nuances ...
          1. carstorm 11 27 January 2020 14: 05 New
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            yes bosses pissed off I remember such concerts) girls from departments will come to have a cup of tea and brew a drink. then they will work and drink again) have lunch, well, how can I not drink tea with cookies after lunch) then we transferred all to contracts and bonuses immediately started working))) we also came to normal work through kicks but also motivation)))
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          It’s all good blah that smacks of the answer of an effective manager ... But I’ll also tell you that at -40 (without wind) and lower there should be activated days (that is, downtime due to weather conditions), but they are stupidly not made by such effective (the hard workers must NOT work in such weather, I explain intelligibly, for effective). Although they try not to strain the technique. It, unlike people, can break down. And to save people, about this speech, no, no ... well, this is a loss. The attitude towards people (since the times of the USSR) has not changed in any way, although there are less and less of them. And here you are crucifying about abuses on the part of workers, but somehow look through your fingers at the abuses of employers. And they are just horror. It must be mutually employer respects the rights of the employee, the employee honestly injects and then everything will be fine.
    4. demo 27 January 2020 12: 43 New
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      The secret is performance. it was always their human resource that was the main and permanent. the Chinese do not arrange breaks every hour and do not discuss any garbage. they work every day for 12 hours with a maximum of one day off per week. they don’t have so many holidays and weekends. they haven’t decided to leave work before their bosses. Work in China is based on discipline

      All true.
      Only they sleep right in the wagons at the construction site.
      We don’t have a ride in this.
      And the pay is that on the night, on the day shift, on the holiday - the same.
      We don’t understand this.
    5. Nikolai Grek 28 January 2020 18: 02 New
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      The secret is performance.

      the whole secret is 1,5 lard population !!! wink all the high rates are from the huge base figures for the population !!! divide by 10, you get the number going off with Russia and .... next to worthless efficiency !!! request wink
  • Petrik66 27 January 2020 10: 08 New
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    Yes, the Chinese really build quickly and efficiently. But, 1. The availability of the required number of workers (there are really a lot of people at the construction site, by our standards - well, a lot) 2. Financing - (there is money, they are allocated on time). In the same Moscow, during the construction of the metro - total underfunding, scam. Contractors sit and wait for the money, and receive in 2019, according to estimates in 2017. They throw money for the New Year, and before that they (money) are in the right accounts. 3. Kickbacks - 35% of the amount is not paid, well, or less. 3. We have equipment - do not confuse the 90s now. 4. There are personnel. The main issue is CORRUPTION. - DOSTAALAAAA !!!!!!!!!!
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      Quote: Petrik66
      The main issue is CORRUPTION. - DOSTAALAAAA !!!!!!!!!!

      ffffseeeeeeeee on barricadesyyyyyyyy !!!! laughing
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        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        Quote: Petrik66
        The main issue is CORRUPTION. - DOSTAALAAAA !!!!!!!!!!

        ffffseeeeeeeee on barricadesyyyyyyyy !!!! laughing

        This is our last
        And decisive battle
        With Internationaleoo fellow
  • Ham
    Ham 27 January 2020 10: 14 New
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    Yes, look at how fast we are building! in Moscow and St. Petersburg they are building new microdistricts - how they bake pies!
  • nikvic46 27 January 2020 10: 32 New
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    They forge cadres of builders abroad. We are cadres of lawyers, economists.
  • honest people 27 January 2020 10: 37 New
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    Tesla Gigafactory 3
  • Simfy 27 January 2020 10: 39 New
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    In the Crimea, a new republican hospital is being built for the third year, and this with funding
  • Bratkov Oleg 27 January 2020 10: 40 New
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    Do not forget that the Communist Party rules China, and we have capitalism, and pro-Western liberals rule. There is capitalism in China, but it is driven into the strict framework of the law. In China, it seems, it is impossible to rent out housing, which means that you have excess housing, and hotel business can only be managed under state control. There is something like working, the state provides housing. Other laws, a different economic system, to compare with the United States, or with Russia, is not entirely correct. For example, in a couple of years, 2014-2015, China has made more cement than the United States in its entire history. We also once had shock constructions, only in China the Communist Party remained in power, and in us, starting with Khrushchev, scum seized power.
  • ⁣G⁣e⁣o⁣ 27 January 2020 11: 03 New
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    There even a corresponding term arose: "tofu-ja construction project"



    Chinese builders (as well as manufacturers of smartphones and cars) have largely overcome this phase.

    What is this victorious relational based on?

    in the realities of native aspens, even the construction of a hospital would be drowned in endless sights, approvals, refinement of estimates and “pushing sides” of competing companies. Do you think not?

    No. Insoluble problems would begin already at the stage of allocation of money.

    On the topic of rapid construction. Only typical construction is quick. Mass model construction is possible only with mass demand, which is impossible under the conditions of our current “democratic” model. You do not want to live in the gray monotonous quarters of modern times, but, Khrushchev - give you the choice. In addition, typical construction often makes universal design decisions a rule, which in one case may turn out to be insufficient (as a result, quickly, in 10 to 20 years, the newly erected building is in emergency condition), in the other - excessive (as a result, the cost of the result is too high )

    Not so long ago, Moscow, for example, massively reconstructed schools and kindergartens that were in disrepair, built in the 80s of the last century. In theory, they did not work out even half of their resources, but dozens of such objects needed deep reconstruction, and this was only for Moscow. Here's a word about the quality of mass standard construction. It’s just from the side it can be imperceptible. When the house falls (as shown in my photo) - then yes, immediately see. And when just hundreds of objects become unusable ahead of time - this simple layman will not even notice. So I repeat my question once again - are you sure that the Chinese have dealt with their problems in the construction industry? Maybe you're just not quite up to date?

    In the light of the above, it is obvious that one should not think in the direction of mass typical construction, but in the direction of developing competent building codes and rules and competent regulation of this market. The development of digital services for the construction industry - here too (coordination, obtaining archival information about the geological structure and so on, etc.). Well, the public procurement system must, of course, be radically changed. And today, at our moment, we have levied business in the pockets of the so-called self-regulatory organizations, created an ineffective public procurement system, wrote a law under technical regulations, which they still cannot develop for construction - just updating from year to year (often far not for the better) old, still Soviet, regulations. 10 years almost since the beginning of the "reforms" in the construction industry - and things are still there.
    1. ⁣G⁣e⁣o⁣ 27 January 2020 11: 19 New
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      While thousands of Chinese students are going to study in Russia, including in construction specialties, the author of the article suggests that we begin to adopt the Chinese construction experience.
      1. Dmitry V. 28 January 2020 12: 52 New
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        As thousands of Chinese students go to study in Russia, including in construction specialties, the author of the article suggests that we begin to adopt the Chinese construction experience.


        Those who fill up the Chinese Unified State Examination and have no chance to study for free go abroad to study - it is simply explained that in Russia, after the 2014 devaluation, Chinese learn cheaply :)
        I knew such Chinese specialists who were forced to go to study in the Russian Federation.
    2. prior 27 January 2020 11: 20 New
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      The house fell, but how strong (!), Did not crumble, it seems even the glass from the balconies did not fly out.
      The walls are curved, but there are no cracks. He would have had more “pencils,” he would have stood for a hundred years.
      1. ⁣G⁣e⁣o⁣ 27 January 2020 11: 29 New
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        but there are no cracks.

        Look at the bottom. Immediately under a row of side balconies.

        Quote: prior
        He would have more “pencils”

        This issue is being addressed at the design stage. To all in a row to do "authentic" is expensive. For one specific, in a hurry of typical construction - it’s difficult to immediately find your way. Either a rise in price for 90% of the rest, or problems with 10% of the rebuilt. Or refusal of standard construction. What I wrote above.
      2. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 28 January 2020 13: 26 New
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        I’ll argue about your last sentence - the pile foundation must be accurately calculated. Nobody needs an overrun - tea is not socialism in the yard, gentlemen! Designers, and so, being safe, lay down their coefficients when calculating the number of piles.
        And if anyone is interested from the socialist "experience" of the past (USSR), then our former USSR Ministry of Industrial Construction, chasing the shaft and indicators in the 1970-80s, deliberately imposed and drove pile foundations. On a USSR scale, it was billions of cubic meters. meters of concrete (piles) and, accordingly, output, salaries, bonuses, etc. Although the real geology of the sites could dispense with other types of foundations. Could give a couple of examples offhand, but we are on the VO site, and not on the site of the founders or the Scientific Research Institute. Gersevanova. This will not be particularly interesting to the people, I think.
      3. Nikolai Grek 28 January 2020 18: 09 New
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        Quote: prior
        The house fell, but how strong (!), Did not crumble, it seems even the glass from the balconies did not fly out.

        what probably, it greatly pleased builders and "future" residents !!! wassat but, most likely, the "residents" were most pleased that they did not have time to enter there !!! laughing
    3. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 27 January 2020 18: 02 New
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      Interestingly, but the piles did not even bend !!! Either everything happened instantly, or the quality of their concrete is above praise! ... We wouldn’t have this ... I envy and applaud you, Chinese comrades!
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        the piles didn’t even bend !!!

        More attentively, comrades.
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          I apologize, I already became old, did not consider last night ...
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    But, here is where it is said that this hospital is not being built as a temporary building, but for many years?
    The epidemic will pass and the hospital will fall apart in three hours ....
    1. cniza 27 January 2020 11: 34 New
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      Most likely this is a temporary structure and one-story.
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      Explode in a couple of minutes!
  • Yehudi Menuhin 27 January 2020 12: 13 New
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    Industrialization and common sense applied to a country the size of a continent give consistently excellent results.
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      Quote: Yehudi Menuhin
      consistently excellent results

      Do not understand a shisha - it does not matter! Write agitation, scribble slogans - for who needs this truth?
  • alstr 27 January 2020 14: 08 New
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    Let's just remember how much the Soviet standard socket was built. The assembly of the box itself is a week (record), and according to the standard (in normal operation) from 2-3 weeks.
    But this required a tight schedule for panel delivery (this is about a record).

    And then we also will not forget that you can’t just do the internal work. There, only one screed can dry from a couple of days to a month (depending on conditions).

    So they can build with us, but only when they want to.
  • Rostislav 27 January 2020 14: 41 New
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    Under Stalin, there were no tenders at all. There was Beria. And they built it - to the current China to envy. Moreover, everything erected in those years - from dams to residential buildings stands firmly to this day.

    Neither add nor subtract!
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 28 January 2020 13: 29 New
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      And it wasn’t just Beria - there was technology observance, not such mass theft and home registry, decency, competence, hardening of old pre-revolutionary cadres (until about 1940-50s)! And - there were no kickbacks and other crap of recent years !!!
  • polar fox 27 January 2020 15: 06 New
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    I’m afraid that in the realities of native aspens, even the construction of a hospital would be drowned in endless sights, approvals, refinement of estimates and “side-pushing” of competing companies. Do you think not?
    I don’t think. I know. Recently they built a madhouse of a new model, with two buildings of three floors ... the patients are huddled in a building of the 19th century ... the foundation burst and the walls cracked a bit ... but they also built quickly in a year. "better" to master the budget, hired Gaster ... the investigation has been going on for a year.
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  • Kolin 27 January 2020 18: 17 New
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    The secret is that it’s just a bunch of cabins set nearby.
  • Yuri Kharitonov 27 January 2020 22: 02 New
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    And he was surprised ....
  • Simulyant 27 January 2020 23: 11 New
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    I completely agree with the author about the motivation, tenders and methods for resolving "protracted" issues. Rights was comrade Stalin: "There are no irreplaceable." You can’t provide quality and speed - first a warning, then a lowering, and then only shooting. And the question is not only about “repressions”, but also about responsibility for the cause, especially in difficult times.
  • Lekz 28 January 2020 00: 44 New
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    You can envy. It is necessary to adopt all the useful. But about the salary it was superfluous. You can and should pay if this work allows you to do it qualitatively and sell profitably. And going to work for a smoke and talking, and then complaining about a small salary is about us. To be honest, not everyone is, but many do not work, but go to work. Now they plan to write in the Constitution about the minimum wage as a living wage. It seems good, but you’ll stop working completely. What for? It is much easier to bawl about your poverty than to earn.
  • evgenyfrasov 28 January 2020 02: 32 New
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    I get more than $ 10 per hour, and I'm not alone. But people work as in 89, after the sleeves. Not only payment is important. Important education, attitude to the homeland. There are units who are fond of work, but for the rest ..... the day has passed and x .. with him. Pay and pay.
  • Monster_Fat 28 January 2020 06: 49 New
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    Perhaps the secret is not only in the quantity of equipment and the level of remuneration of workers ...

    The author did not finish the end of the phrase: "but in the presence of a firing squad behind his back." wink
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      What nonsense. He himself lived in China, there are no firing squads there. If only for thieves.
  • Amur 28 January 2020 08: 06 New
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    Back in USSR!
  • EvilLion 28 January 2020 08: 13 New
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    It’s ridiculous to read about millions of Chinese with shovels and lamentations about native aspen trees, when the native MO in 2015 almost instantly built a base the size of a small town in Syria, and no one knew until the planes bombed it.

    It is possible to deal with thieves and bribe-hungry officials in different ways. In China, such entities are sent to jail without unnecessary ceremonies, and often even shot at all.


    Yes, yes, for decades now, but the process is ongoing, and the result is not visible. At the same time, you cannot even buy rights from us.
  • tank64rus 28 January 2020 11: 18 New
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    You look at how physicians and chemical protection troops are clearly working for them to organize anti-epidemic measures. And we have the only institute of biological and chemical safety in Saratov was eliminated through the efforts of Serdyukov and his accomplices back in 2009. And now there is only one thing left, with our "optimized" medicine, to listen to the peppy statements of senior officials and think whether or not it will carry.
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      You look at how physicians and chemical protection troops are clearly working for them to organize anti-epidemic measures.

      what how clearly ??? so that carriers are already being recorded in different parts of the world ??? fool wassat
  • Yury Siritsky 28 January 2020 12: 45 New
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    Yes, study, study and study, as the great Lenin bequeathed.
  • ximkim 28 January 2020 18: 36 New
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    [/ quote] At one time, our grandfathers surprised the world with much more enormous construction projects, including their unrealistic, as it seemed then, terms. For example, a 33-km gas pipeline to besieged Leningrad along the bottom of Ladoga was laid in a month! The pace is incredible: more than a kilometer a day in the face of hostilities.


    The price of such surprises is great human lives, and most importantly, this is during the war period ..

    They can let them drive a whole "herd" of excavators into the construction of the hospital, and not mess around, as we have with one that is always breaking.


    It’s all about organization, and this is a shame in the Russian Federation, but please mess. Yes, and they don’t really like order in the construction industry.

    Drinking, taking time off from work, marriage - get out! Millions of those who are ready to work for conscience breathe in the back. [Quote]
    You need to come up with robots then. Because, three employees out of four correspond (you can add sometimes there are talkative masters, the chief is a black purse, copper kings.,) This is an endless list.

    And so .. If you take large construction projects in Russia, there’s basically no construction of buildings, attributing concrete cubes, recruiting unnecessary people (attach a relative to the head of the head of a particular section). Everything works as usual (do not take equipment, tools) .. Anyway, the construction market is not developing, but is cracking.
  • Cowbra 28 January 2020 19: 14 New
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    The secret in the hands and postscript. There are 48 hours left until the end of 10 days, in which the declared 7 turned first (that is, they did not fit into seven right away) - and so far only the foundation has been laid. And what quality will be - no one knows. Time lapse for a year - as with any emergency
  • Andrey Mikhaylov 28 January 2020 20: 06 New
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    I myself am engaged in construction, the author is a huge plus for the article. I’ll add from myself, each problem has a name, surname and address
  • Domestic cat 29 January 2020 06: 43 New
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    Only equipment will be available here - the liberals will bring the surrounding and not only the surrounding residents to protest rallies. no one wants a similar construction near their own home .... here near yours - to your health.
  • Pilat2009 30 January 2020 06: 52 New
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    Quote: Vasily50
    What reminded me of how smartly the British built that their ships that their empire. The British even managed to build their own * Dreadnought * in less than a year.
    In China, a lot of things are being built and are being built very smartly, but what struck me there are almost officially different categories of quality, each category has its first grade and all the others.
    I wish the Chinese success in construction. If only they were able to live independently, not for sale. Very famously they sold out to the Americans.

    They need an American market. Without it, there can be no talk of any growth.
  • Pilat2009 30 January 2020 06: 59 New
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    what how clearly ??? so that carriers are already being recorded in different parts of the world ??? fool wassat[/ Quote]
    The incubation period is 10 days. Do you propose to close the country altogether? Who will contain the army of tourists? Can our state feed its tourists there so that they do not bring the virus here?
  • Uve bjørnsson 30 January 2020 10: 10 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    Yes what the Chinese were able to use the advantages of government and the market in one bottle ... and we see the result everywhere ... I never thought that the Chinese are capable of such breakthroughs.
    Now it’s not a sin for us to learn some things from them ... will our technocrats in the new Mishustin government achieve such results? ... wait and see.
    Ten thousand five hundred rubles per shift ... here you can poke without talking.

    Can.
    The question is, how long are you poking at this pace?
    You have seen enough, you know, for such records and record holders, and even in your youth you scored only a whistle (a record of 20 hours laying tiles, a smoke on the go and a cup of coffee sometimes, because the deadlines 'burned'), now it’s sideways.
    And what it ended up with for their very health.
    Especially the young ones sin like that.
    Then all the "crazy loot" goes to the doctors.
    Another 40 years old, but already dead, and then aching, and this, and the rest of my life on wheels
    Well, a lot of Chinese.
  • itarnmag 30 January 2020 16: 04 New
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    In the USA, during the Second World War, a transport ship was built literally for several days, I don’t remember exactly, but can be clarified in the book "Business America"
    1. agond 31 January 2020 16: 47 New
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      Quote: itarnmag
      a transport ship was built in just a few days,

      Not days, but about two months and of poor quality, cross the ocean once.
      To do something quickly and efficiently, you need to do the same, standard, unified, by the same people, using the same proven technology.
      1. itarnmag 31 January 2020 18: 54 New
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        Not true, read the book Smelyakova again. The record for building a ship of the Liberty brand, in my opinion, is 37 days, we would have built such a ship for at least 37 months. Moreover, they did not work there for 15 hours a day. And I doubt that the quality would be better. And the book does not say a word about the poor quality of these ships. They did their job well at least, and maybe excellent. By the way, where is our quality higher than in the USA? Is that a Kalashnikov assault rifle
  • remal 1 February 2020 12: 18 New
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    Actually the construction of the hospital. They poured the foundation, and mounted something modular on top.