The black boxes of the downed Ukrainian liner will remain in Iran


The staff of the Ministry of Roads and Urban Development of Iran will study the contents of the flight recorders found at the crash site of the Boeing 737 passenger liner of the Ukrainian airline UIA. Moreover, the “black boxes” themselves will not be exported from the country.


According to the Tasnim agency, the deputy of the Iranian Majlis (parliament) Farajullah Rajabi said this. He is also a member of the parliamentary development committee. The deputy said that Tehran’s policy is such that recorders should be decrypted by Iranian specialists in the country. Iranian experts traveling to Ukraine doubted that they would be able to cope with the task there if the “boxes” were delivered to this country.

The Ukrainian airliner Boeing 737, crashed near Tehran on January 8, belonged to Ukraine International Airlines and flew from Tehran to Kiev. All 176 passengers and crew on board the aircraft died. A few days later, Tehran officially pleaded guilty to the disaster. According to the Iranian military, the passenger plane was mistakenly shot down by the means of air defense of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps.
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  1. Incvizitor 26 January 2020 20: 50 New
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    This is the most correct, the boxes of the Malaysian lying West snatched and misinterpreted everything, they should not be allowed to be investigated.
    1. Terenin 26 January 2020 21: 02 New
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      Iran experts traveling to Ukraine doubtedthat there they will be able to cope with the task, if you deliver the "boxes" to this country.
      live there longer and there will be no doubt, but there will be full confidence ...
      1. Range 27 January 2020 01: 49 New
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        Yes, you can’t see the black boxes from Iran for mattresses. Such things should not be given to world cheaters so that they would not turn everything upside down. For them, it's like two fingers ...
    2. Pete mitchell 26 January 2020 21: 06 New
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      Quote: Incvizitor
      This is the most correct ... they cannot be allowed to be investigated at all.

      They will have to be allowed to investigate, these are the rules and, apparently, Iran will act according to the rules. And of course it’s absolutely right not to let the bourgeois even touch the original information from the boxes, then they will blame them for all sins. And Malaysian boxes like that and perished in England: and there was such a hope that a well-known international company would do everything as expected. Britons clearly demonstrated that definitions independent do not apply either to English companies or to Britain itself ...
    3. Nyrobsky 26 January 2020 21: 08 New
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      Quote: Incvizitor
      This is the most correct, the boxes of the Malaysian lying West snatched and misinterpreted everything, they should not be allowed to be investigated.

      And this is true. Their toilets disappear after towing boats after signing the acts of acceptance, what can we say about black boxes ... H-eh, stop will not work. no
      1. WILL 26 January 2020 22: 45 New
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        Absolutely the right decision! ICAO and IAC experts can work in any country in the world (apparently except the Netherlands and Ukraine), Iran has already taken responsibility for this disaster, so that it does not grow into “obscure details” - let them control the investigation.
        Actually, international laws do not prohibit this.
  2. solzh 26 January 2020 20: 51 New
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    Iranian experts traveling to Ukraine doubted that they would be able to cope with the task

    Who would doubt the capabilities of modern Ukraine. The Kiev authorities all that they got as a result of the collapse of the USSR lost, sold, plundered, etc. And they have nothing new, they cannot create in connection with the brain drain from Ukraine to Russia and Europe.
    1. Avior 26 January 2020 22: 09 New
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      The equipment for deciphering black boxes of the latest design of the USSR, with all the desire, could not leave, then there simply weren’t such. Neither Ukraine nor Iran has this. The French provide Ukraine with equipment together with specialists. And where Iran will take is not clear.
      1. solzh 26 January 2020 22: 35 New
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        Quote: Avior
        I could not leave the equipment for decoding black boxes of the latest design of the USSR with all the desire, then there simply weren’t such

        Ukraine at the time of the collapse of the USSR occupied a leading place in precision engineering (among the branches of precision engineering, instrument making, electrical engineering, electronics), the aviation industry, and the rocket and space industry. Instead of developing these areas, all this was lost, sold out, plundered by the Ukrainian authorities ... And of course, at present, in Ukraine there is no modern equipment for decoding "black boxes". Something like this...
        1. Avior 26 January 2020 23: 40 New
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          The fact that science and technology in the USSR was developed at a very high level, and that part of this heritage passed to Ukraine, there is no doubt, and that a lot of things in Ukraine were profiled (I write softly so as not to break the rules)
          But in the USSR it was precisely this equipment that could not be due to the fact that at that time there simply weren’t such boxes yet, there were completely different ones. You can’t count on your Soviet heritage all your life, no matter how rich it may be.
          1. solzh 26 January 2020 23: 46 New
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            Quote: Avior
            You can’t count on your Soviet heritage all your life, no matter how rich it may be.

            It is impossible, but it is possible to develop.
            1. Avior 27 January 2020 00: 40 New
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              it’s possible and necessary, who argues with this.
              but actually the discussion is about something else, and you just translate the conversation hi
              1. solzh 27 January 2020 01: 18 New
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                Quote: Avior
                but actually the discussion is about something else, and you just translate the conversation

                Oh how! The experts from Iran doubted that there they could deal with the decryption of the "black boxes", I pointed out / said why in Ukraine they couldn’t do this because of what problems, and now it turns out I translated the conversation! Not, well, what’s normal. laughing hi
                1. Holgerton 27 January 2020 03: 30 New
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                  So, to see Belarus, Kazakhstan, and even Russia have lost huge parts of what the USSR left them, it’s just more or less good in Belarus and without a Soviet heritage, it’s customary not to recall Kazakhstan, but what Russia lost and sold It was partially restored due to the presence of an internal sales market for the products of those industries you are talking about, but the question is: where did Ukraine get the currency from, to supply all those military design bureaus and factories, and also finish building aircraft carriers and ICBMs? Neither oil and gas, nor gold and diamonds, as in Siberia, are not there.
                  And besides, if you just google it, you can find the info even before the incident that in Ukraine there are some private and state companies that are involved in the production and decryption of black boxes, and those models of products that Iran now has can be decrypted in one from state institutions specializing in this, which they confirmed and offered to do it all in the presence of any number of their specialists, but apparently the Persians still have something to hide once you boil up because of the boxes, because there were flights before and after the shot down , and all of them passed normally.
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      1. dauria 26 January 2020 22: 55 New
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        But is Iran not afraid that no conclusions of its commission of inquiry by the same West will be accepted at all?


        What does “afraid” mean? What? They have the right to investigate at home. The West is a loose concept. You come up with the streamlined phrase "west"
        What kind of country is this? Recognition-non-recognition of the "West" (east, south, north) has no legal force.
        There is a Convention on International Civil Aviation, adopted by 52 countries in Chicago on December 7, 1944. There is based on its ICAO.
        The document regulates the liability of the parties in the event of an incident that occurs with an aircraft belonging to one member state of the convention in the territory of another state. If the incident resulted in death, serious injury, or occurred due to a serious technical defect, it the investigation must be conducted according to its laws by the state in whose territory it occurred. ICAO can only make recommendations on the investigation procedure. At the same time, the state with whose aircraft the incident occurred, has the right to appoint observers to investigate and get a report on its results.
        Everything is clear and simple. No "west" ..And from Ukraine, only observers.
        1. Avior 26 January 2020 23: 48 New
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          There is a tradition in this matter who should take part in the investigation. Iran, by virtue of this tradition, allowed Ukraine to be a participant, not an observer, as you wrote.
          The same Ukrainian experts examined the wreckage as participants in the investigation, not observers
          And now, if there is a deliberate and deliberate violation of the examination — and it will be so, Iran has already stated that it does not have the technical ability to decrypt it — so that Iran does not find it in its favor in boxes, no one will simply accept it as evidence, Iran will receive an unpleasant accusation that it is frustrating the investigation.
          hi
          1. Hunter 2 26 January 2020 23: 58 New
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            Iran is a completely civilized country, it will be able to precisely place and provide the working conditions for ICAO specialists! Of course, with payment of all expenses. Everything is within the framework of ICAO rules.
            1. Avior 27 January 2020 00: 15 New
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              Iran invited certified specialists with equipment and they agreed to come? I have not read this, can you give a link?
              1. Hunter 2 27 January 2020 00: 23 New
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                The investigation has just begun! They will give an application to ICAO and invite (Iran is also a Member of ICAO). You do not think that the decryption results should be the day after the disaster? It is still unknown what condition the black boxes are in. Perhaps the information will have to be extracted bit by bit.
                1. Avior 27 January 2020 00: 43 New
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                  Do you know cases when ICAO conducted such examinations? I don’t know, if you know, drop the link, read with interest.
                  In fact, ICAO should remain an independent party in evaluating the outcome of the investigation, which precludes its participation in the national investigation. to evaluate his case - is the investigation in accordance with the rules, and it is hardly possible to participate in the investigation
                  1. Hunter 2 27 January 2020 00: 59 New
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                    The Convention on International Civil Aviation is a rather complicated document ... there are a lot of language (maybe not Must or obliged). In accordance with this convention, Iran may conduct an investigation on its territory or may transfer these powers. ICAO - they are obliged to notify; further actions of ICAO - are unknown to me.
                    On the territory of Russia and the CIS countries, the IAC was involved in the investigation of Air crashes.
                    Maybe Iran is a member of such an organization. In any case, specialists (with appropriate equipment and approval) may be involved in the investigation, possibly with the submission of ICAO, possibly the Aircraft Manufacturer.
          2. dauria 27 January 2020 00: 05 New
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            so that Iran does not find in its favor in boxes, no one will simply accept as evidence


            Iran proves nothing to anyone - he conducts an investigation into his laws on his territory. According to the international convention. In ICAO, besides the USA, there are 192 more countries. None of them authorized either the United States or the West to be the high priest and judge.
            Especially climb into Iranian justice. And “an unpleasant accusation” is true in any normal country that does not lick the heels of the USA like a dog has fleas.
            Everyone began to replace international law with some kind of clue about "human rights, justice, etc." Meanwhile, such a case is Iran's internal affairslike any other country. Do not want to, do not fly.
            1. Avior 27 January 2020 00: 37 New
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              I didn’t write a word about the USA, why are you translating the conversation?
              You forget that if the results of the investigation are not satisfied by the parties concerned, they may sue the UN court.
              And there they will already consider the completeness and objectivity of the investigation, as required by the Chicago Convention and ICAO rules, and Iran will need to answer questions about the investigation, including expert examinations, therefore Iran is interested in the maximum evidence of an objective investigation.
              And if he will issue visas to participants for years, as you write, then consider that there is already ready evidence of the bias of the investigation.
              Iran does not need reputational costs unnecessary from this business.
              1. Hunter 2 27 January 2020 00: 41 New
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                And what is the basis for the suit? What is his subject?
                Iran has already pleaded guilty, agreed to pay compensation ...
                Iran is simply trying to understand why this tragedy occurred and not to appoint a switchman from Thor’s calculation.
                1. Avior 27 January 2020 01: 09 New
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                  if nothing new is found in the boxes, then all this is an empty argument and it is not clear why Iran simply cannot be transferred for examination, with all the desire, nothing can be found in the boxes that increases Iran’s guilt.
                  and if something is found that proves the guilt of Ukraine or anyone and removes it from Iraq in whole or in part, then to the court
                  Iran has already pleaded guilty, agreed to pay compensation ...
                  Iran is simply trying to understand why this tragedy occurred and not to appoint a switchman from Thor’s calculation.

                  if this is the case, then it is necessary to pay compensation, without waiting for the end of the investigation, and then inside to figure out which of the Iranians is more to blame, which is less.
                  but if Iran expects to receive evidence of someone's guilt at the international level, then such an examination can be considered in court.
                  1. Hunter 2 27 January 2020 01: 24 New
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                    Well, the Duck Supreme Court of Iran and called on the Government to urgently compensate the families of the victims of the crash. Information from 20.01. 2020.
      2. aszzz888 27 January 2020 01: 25 New
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        Evgrafov (Evgrafov Vasily) Yesterday, 22:18 ..In the article only voiced the opinion of Ukrainian experts.
        They themselves read the article ?????????? Give at least one letter from the article about "the opinions of ukroeksperdy". bully
  3. GKS 2111 26 January 2020 20: 57 New
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    Iran is right in doing so that it does not give up the “black boxes” —we are all witnesses to the “impartial investigation” of the downed Boeing over the Donbass.
    "I never lie. I don't agree."
    1. Pete mitchell 26 January 2020 21: 09 New
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      Quote: GKS 2111
      we are all witnesses to an "impartial investigation."

      Seems to me that no definition impartialOr investigation in a particular case, inappropriate - too many bourgeois do not agreeand the 404th have spoken ..
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      ANB 26 January 2020 22: 08 New
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      They are not black, but orange.
      Most likely, our Iran will help.
  4. svp67 26 January 2020 21: 01 New
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    The staff of the Ministry of Roads and Urban Development of Iran will study the contents of the flight recorders found at the crash site of the Boeing 737 passenger liner of the Ukrainian airline UIA. Moreover, the “black boxes” themselves will not be exported from the country.
    Well, all this remains to be done in the presence of experts from Ukraine and international observers, but who will they invite? Yes, and everything should be DOCUMENTED, including on tape, and then you never know ...
    1. Avior 26 January 2020 21: 54 New
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      To begin with, the question will arise that in Iran there is no equipment for decryption, the boxes are supernova in design, Iran itself said that they do not have equipment
      And how will they decrypt?
      1. svp67 26 January 2020 22: 12 New
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        Quote: Avior
        To begin with, the question will be that in Iran there is no equipment for decryption, supernova boxes in design

        The plane is not of a new design, but boxes of a new one ... well, maybe, although what’s the problem, I don’t quite understand. It was stated that it is simply impossible to remove information, damage does not allow. That is, memory modules will be removed and all information will be removed from them, and Iranians should have such equipment, and if not, they may be asked to provide international aviation organizations.
        There, as I understand it, the main question is to find out whether there was any external impact on the radio and electronic systems of the aircraft. Iran strongly suspects that the United States took an active part in this disaster, using its electronic warfare systems.
        1. Avior 26 January 2020 23: 12 New
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          It was stated by Iran that they do not have the necessary equipment and specialists.
          And now, if reading will be done by specialists who are not certified for this type of box with equipment not certified by the box manufacturer instead of the French who have it, Iran could be accused of obstructing the investigation and distorting the data if there is anything in Iran there. I don’t see why Iran needs this, Iran will bring nothing except unnecessary problems
          On the other hand, if the French did, they could not find anything there that would increase Iran’s guilt.
          Iran has now taken the correct position on accidental shooting down, and self-decryption can only bring unnecessary accusations, Iran clearly does not need this
  5. Tank jacket 26 January 2020 21: 08 New
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    NATO countries refused to decrypt black boxes. There is no equipment in Iran. But pride does not allow sending Iran to Russia. Iran is being prepared for the center of the Islamic world. Not to the Iranians, the chief officers to bow to Russia with a request ... And now the question for experts from "what, where, when?" What's in the black box? Pa-pa-para-rapapa-pa-parapapararapapa.
    1. Avior 26 January 2020 21: 14 New
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      . NATO countries refused to decrypt black boxes

      I haven’t read this anywhere. Do not throw a link?
      1. Tank jacket 26 January 2020 21: 21 New
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        And why, then, they remained in Iran do not know?
        1. Avior 26 January 2020 21: 28 New
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          I don’t know the reason, but my guesses are just guesses
          I never heard that they refused, and even the NATO countries, but that the Iranians refused to go to the States to the Boeing and announced that they were taking to France and France agreed to decrypt, I read it many times
          Therefore, I was surprised at your statement
    2. rich 27 January 2020 02: 00 New
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      Tank jacket (Ruslan): Iran is being prepared for the center of the Islamic world

      You are mistaken. Neither Iran itself nor anyone else has ever positioned Iran as the center of the Islamic world. The contradictions between Shiites and Sunnis are so great that this can not even be discussed. Iran is the leader of the Shiite Islamic movement
      Shiites (Arabic: شيعة; [shӣ'a] - adherents, followers) - the direction of Islam, uniting various communities that recognized Ali ibn Abu Talib and his descendants as the only legitimate heirs and spiritual successors of the Prophet Muhammad. There are approximately 10% of Muslims, that is, 150 million people. In a narrow sense, the concept usually means double-headed Shiites, the predominant trend in Shiism, which is mainly prevalent in Iran, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Iraq and Lebanon, and is also represented in Afghanistan (Hazaras), Pakistan (at least 20% of the population), India, Saudi Arabia, Jordan ..

      1. Tank jacket 27 January 2020 05: 51 New
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        Rich, I wrote what they cook. Those. they carry out a set of measures to lower other centers and measures to raise Iran to make it a control center.
  6. gurzuf 26 January 2020 21: 08 New
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    Is this really important? They admitted guilt, and even without a “box” this is confirmed objectively.
    1. Avior 26 January 2020 21: 16 New
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      If it weren’t for principle, they would have taken me to the laboratory in France, as originally decided. For some reason, it seems
    2. Blackmokona 26 January 2020 21: 16 New
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      Who knows what else is in the boxes
  7. Tank jacket 26 January 2020 21: 28 New
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    Quote: BlackMokona
    Who knows what else is in the boxes

    For example, an interception of control from the outside? Virus program for the engine?
  8. Tank jacket 26 January 2020 21: 31 New
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    Quote: Avior
    I don’t know the reason, but my guesses are just guesses
    I never heard that they refused, and even the NATO countries, but that the Iranians refused to go to the States to the Boeing and announced that they were taking to France and France agreed to decrypt, I read it many times
    Therefore, I was surprised at your statement

    Have you recognized the distraction from the Iranian incident with the Chinese coronovirus?
    1. Avior 26 January 2020 21: 43 New
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      Yes, the fact that the Chinese banned 11 million people from leaving the city because of this virus is indeed an unprecedented event.
      Are the Chinese also in a conspiracy?
      And on whose side?
      1. Tank jacket 26 January 2020 21: 50 New
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        The Chinese do not care, but the elites could draw a plan of action.
        1. Avior 26 January 2020 22: 04 New
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          I don’t understand you.
          Which Chinese elites? The noise about the virus most raised the Chinese themselves
          And who drew the plan for the Chinese?
  9. nm76 26 January 2020 21: 35 New
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    The downed Boeing belonged to Ukraine.
    Black boxes are an integral part of aircraft equipment owned by Ukraine.
    It turns out that Iran does not return the property of another country.
    It seems to me that international problems are possible for Iran in this vein.
    1. Avior 26 January 2020 21: 51 New
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      There was a version that Ukraine and France will decrypt jointly with the participation of French certified specialists and French equipment in Ukraine or France
      Iran stated that
      The flight data recorder and voice recorder of the cockpit of the Ukrainian Boeing 737-800, shot down near Tehran, are one of the most advanced varieties of such equipment, Iran does not have the means to decode them. This is stated in the second crash investigation report, which was published on January 20 on the website of the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization (OGAI).

      And now suddenly Iran itself is taken
      1. nm76 26 January 2020 22: 14 New
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        Such Iranian behavior will provide the basis for all kinds of rumors.
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      ANB 26 January 2020 22: 11 New
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      So Iran has recognized everything. Decrypts the boxes and returns.
      What consequences?
      1. nm76 26 January 2020 22: 18 New
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        In order to decrypt something, you must have the appropriate equipment and specialists.
        I can’t speak with confidence, but it seems to me that Iran is not up to the task.
        1. ANB
          ANB 26 January 2020 22: 35 New
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          He who seeks will always find.
          Ours will not help?
          It is unlikely that the Persians would start a decryption at home if they did not already know how they would do it.
          They are most interested in the decryption results.
          SchA, how will it get out, “Petro, and what are you getting this box for?”
          1. Avior 26 January 2020 22: 54 New
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            Petro is an unusual name for the French. And the French have certified equipment and specialists
            1. ANB
              ANB 26 January 2020 22: 59 New
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              And where should the French come from if the crew is Ukrainian?
              1. Avior 26 January 2020 23: 52 New
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                Exactly how independent experts are involved
                1. ANB
                  ANB 27 January 2020 00: 37 New
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                  Colleague, we have a misunderstanding. I wrote that suddenly the Iranians will hear this phrase on the recording of a voice recorder. Not the fact, it is true that she is there. But if there is and will decrypt Ukraine with France, then nobody will definitely hear it.
                  And so, there are chances.
                  1. Avior 27 January 2020 00: 55 New
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                    I understood your post a little differently, as evidence of low qualifications of Ukrainian experts.
                    if you are saying that one of the pilots said this to another, then this phrase alone does not say anything and does not prove anything, and the fact of a shot down by a rocket does not refute.
                    in principle, nothing of what might be in the boxes can in any way refute the fact of a missile being shot down by mistake.
                    not to mention the fact that Ukraine will automatically write to Iran that the examination was carried out with violations and that it cannot be taken into account if it is really carried out on non-certified equipment and this will continue to be done at a UN trial.
                    1. ANB
                      ANB 27 January 2020 01: 01 New
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                      I wrote a long comment below that Iran can look for.
                      That's just the recognition of the use of air defense systems to free the Persians in search of circumstances mitigating their guilt. Perhaps very much.
                      Nobody will tell them now that you have shot down, but will not admit, and write in the conclusion "he fell" on the basis of an independent decoding of the recorders.
                      1. Avior 27 January 2020 01: 26 New
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                        Yeah. they will be told, you shot down and admitted your guilt, and now you have begun to shift the blame to another.
                        and most importantly, there is no doubt that there really will be no evidence in the black boxes.
                        the Iranians themselves have a completely different version of why the error occurred and there can be no confirmation of it in the emergency boxes by definition
                      2. ANB
                        ANB 27 January 2020 01: 29 New
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                        They will not find anything - they will give recorders and all business. It will not be worse.
                      3. Avior 27 January 2020 02: 21 New
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                        if there is nothing, then our dispute is empty noise
                        but if there is information there, it makes sense only if the investigation and examination procedure does not give grounds for its exclusion from consideration
                    2. Hunter 2 27 January 2020 01: 31 New
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                      Two black Boxes. One is Voice Recorders. The second one monitors the operation of electronic systems (this is just the second one that is interesting, maybe there is an answer - why transponders did not work). I think this information is of interest to everyone.
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                      why do you think so?
                      firstly, no one doubts that they worked, the flight radar recorded this
                      secondly, it has nothing to do with the launch of the Thor; there is no transponder signal receiver on it
                      hi good night
  • BISMARCK94 26 January 2020 21: 44 New
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    Let them decipher even in Antarctica, the main thing is not unilaterally
  • Pashhenko Nikolay 26 January 2020 22: 05 New
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    What is the point of pedaling the situation with the boxes? What is unusual there can be seen in them if Iran made a confession that knocked him down?
    1. Avior 26 January 2020 22: 55 New
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      And why then the box was not allowed to decrypt the French experts, if there is no difference?
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  • Tank jacket 26 January 2020 22: 15 New
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    Quote: Avior
    I don’t understand you.
    Which Chinese elites? The noise about the virus most raised the Chinese themselves
    And who drew the plan for the Chinese?

    And who raised the hype in the media, gave the order to inflate an elephant from a fly. More people die from the flu. And then there are 44 Chinese per billion.
    1. Avior 26 January 2020 22: 51 New
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      11 million people the Chinese banned from leaving the city, is it from an elephant's fly? Do you still remember such a case when so many people were forbidden to leave the city?
      1. Sergey M. Karasev 27 January 2020 02: 10 New
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        Not 11, but 18 million, there is not one city, but a whole agglomeration. The Chinese set a Guinness record for the number of people at once in one place quarantined.
  • Tank jacket 26 January 2020 22: 34 New
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    Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
    What is the point of pedaling the situation with the boxes? What is unusual there can be seen in them if Iran made a confession that knocked him down?

    The right question. And if we assume that it was not Iran that brought down the Boeing, but for some reason was forced to take the blame ???
    1. ANB
      ANB 26 January 2020 22: 38 New
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      Iran stated that the liner was shot down by its SP. And the court determines the blame after the investigation. But it is still coming.
      1. Avior 26 January 2020 23: 01 New
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        In international matters, they themselves can admit the guilt of the state without a court
        And the degree of guilt of specific individuals - this is the case of the internal Iranian court
        1. ANB
          ANB 27 January 2020 00: 41 New
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          Well, that's right, in principle. But an investigation of the circumstances may reveal the guilt of others as well.
          And since there is already no trust in anyone, Iran’s recorders will somehow check it themselves. The point of referring to an independent investigation would be if there were doubts about the presence of a rocket.
          1. Avior 27 January 2020 00: 47 New
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            but what then is the meaning of the decryption of the boxes, if everything is so clear?
            And since there is no trust in anyone else, Iran will somehow check the recorder itself.

            in a UN court, Iran will have to prove why it was not handed over to independent experts, and, I am afraid, common words there will not convince anyone
  • RVAPatriot 26 January 2020 23: 31 New
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    This is the most correct, the boxes of the Malaysian lying West snatched and misinterpreted everything, they should not be allowed to be investigated.

    Why transmit ??? Iran itself has confessed, what else would they wind up a thread from above ??? We all know the story of the downed over the Donbass !!!
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    ANB 27 January 2020 00: 54 New
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    And let's consider one of the hypothetical options for what happened.
    And so, a representative of the SBU comes to the pilot or other person in Kiev and suggests taking a certain box into the cockpit. The box should be included after departure from Tehran.
    She should write down very important indicators of Iran’s air defense radar.
    And do not smell? No, she just writes, no one will know. And why should a Persian bring down a civilian plane.
    Upon returning the box you need to give and get a lot of money.
    The box turns on and on the radar screen of the Torah the characteristic mark of the cruise missile.
    This is only a hypothesis, but it is not yet excluded.
    So Iran digs and decrypts the orange boxes itself to check all versions.
    A very strange story has happened.
    1. Avior 27 January 2020 01: 17 New
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      So Iran digs and decrypts the orange boxes itself to check all versions.

      which I am writing to you about.
      Iran is an interested party. The fact of the liner shot down by his rocket is recognized by him.
      And in order to obtain evidence in its favor, Iran needs to avoid accusations of biased investigation. Including in examinations.
      Do you really believe that the black box recorded all these conversations between the pilots and the esbush officer and managed to determine the real purpose of this box?
      as for me, then all this is very tense.
      add to this that the plane flew out of Tehran and no box with any mark could make a rocket flying strictly in the other direction.
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        ANB 27 January 2020 01: 26 New
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        Sometimes a little detail is enough to understand that something abnormal is happening. If there is something on the recorders, then after Ukraine there will be no more.

        When I wrote about the phrase on the speech recorders, I put a smiley face. Well, not stupid people are pilots to discuss such things aloud.
        1. Avior 27 January 2020 01: 30 New
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          “something abnormal” is not enough, we need clear and concrete evidence, and something incomprehensible evidence cannot be.
          not to mention that the examination should not be called into question in court
          hi
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            ANB 27 January 2020 01: 33 New
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            This is an occasion to start digging further. But does the record on the recorders deteriorate when decrypting? Now, in general, a solid state drive, it seems to be worth it. They would instruct me, I would make it possible to read as much as anyone, and change - no longer.
            1. Avior 27 January 2020 01: 46 New
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              then it is all the more incomprehensible why independent experts cannot be handed over if the original is preserved and can be read again and checked
              do not like the French or Ukrainians for this, to look for others whose objectivity is beyond doubt, and not to carry out by ourselves.
              and you can dig as much as you like, only there will be an accusation of deliberately delaying the investigation, if you have no evidence that it is this incomprehensible thing that has to do with the launched rocket.
              but if, for example, a part of the drive is damaged and data is not read from it, which happens quite often, it’s easy to run into a charge that the damaged part had a simple explanation of the incomprehensibility you found, and you intentionally damaged this piece of the drive to delay the investigation for supposedly incomprehensible part or something like that
              need to wait for the examination.
              if there will be nothing dumb there, and I'm sure of it, then this whole debate is an empty matter
              hi
          2. Hunter 2 27 January 2020 01: 41 New
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            Quote: Avior
            “something abnormal” is not enough, we need clear and concrete evidence, and something incomprehensible evidence cannot be.
            not to mention that the examination should not be called into question in court
            hi

            Why are you rushing around with this court like a cat with a bubble?
            I repeat ... what could be the basis and what is the subject of the claim (these are legal terms)? They will pay compensation, Guilt - have already recognized! Trying to get to the bottom of the truth and reason (and this is not a legal term).
            1. Avior 27 January 2020 02: 16 New
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              read carefully what it is about
              if
              Trying to get to the bottom of the truth and reason (and this is not a legal term).
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              this truth is which of the Iranians is more to blame, who is less, of a showdown between one's own, of course, the UN will not get to court.
              but if this phrase means that they are looking for blame for what happened in whole or in part, not of Iranians, but of someone else, you need to be prepared that the matter will reach an international court
              hi
              1. Hunter 2 27 January 2020 02: 21 New
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                No, still not so. Even if they find out that it wasn’t the crew that turned off the transponder ... they’ll write off everything for a banal technical malfunction. There are no grounds for trial. Is it only a good Informational occasion that will make many think for granted! hi
  • Tuzik 27 January 2020 02: 36 New
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    Unclear. Like France was going to transfer, now they write to Ukraine we will not give. And what do they want to discover there? Was the missile inside the Boeing originally? )
  • Ggc1 27 January 2020 02: 49 New
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    The most correct decision is that the enterprise issuing these same recorders should deal with the decryption of the recorders. They have both equipment and production, if something needs to be restored from possibly destroyed elements. Or - to attract international competent authorities that are engaged in the investigation of such air disasters. Boeing equipment - only Boeing has equipment or those structures to which Boeing has provided similar equipment. It is foolish to think that Kiev or Prague or Warsaw should independently make something out of equipment for decrypting the data of the recorders - after all, you can directly contact the manufacturer who will provide maximum assistance. All the same - we live in a civilized world, but not savages ...
    1. Avior 27 January 2020 07: 48 New
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      This is exactly what they wanted to do
      Attract certified professionals with appropriate certified equipment from France
  • Aliken 27 January 2020 06: 42 New
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    The only right decision.
  • Vladimir Mashkov 27 January 2020 21: 19 New
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    VERY correct decision! Trust Ukraine and the West - immediately sign a sentence for yourself, if you give them recorders: they can do a lot of things. And here there is a suspicion of remote intervention. Of course, it’s better not to give it away, but to investigate it with the involvement of interested parties and OBJECTIVE experts!