In the USA, exercises were conducted using Mi-24 helicopters: the pilot spoke about the reasons


It became known that the U.S. Air Force conducted training using Mi-24 helicopters. According to recent reports, these rotary-wing aircraft of the United States Air Force were used in the area of ​​the Davis-Montan air base near the city of Tucson (Arizona).


Mi-24 attack helicopters were deployed during the exercises of the 55th US Air Force Rescue Squadron. The information is confirmed for the media by the representative of the aforementioned US air base, Captain Kurt Wallin.

According to Captain Wallin, these trainings allow you to better assess the capabilities of their own, American, helicopters, including upgraded versions of the UH-60 Black Hawk. It's about the HH-60G Pave Hawk version.

American officer:

Training with the Mi-24 drums is a serious step forward, which allows us to draw conclusions about the capabilities of our helicopters, the relevance of our tactics, the procedures and weapons used.

It is noted that the HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopters actually opposed the Mi-24 in the Davis Montan area. And this is not the first training in the US using aviation Russian (Soviet) production, including the same Mi-24.

The American media noted that the Mi-24 helicopters are in service with several countries that "are potential opponents of the United States."

Stephen Adams, 55th US Air Force Squadron pilot, answered a question about the reasons why it was necessary to use the Mi-24 during the exercises:

We must understand how to act against a particular threat in the air. That is why such teachings are very important to us. We conduct training, evaluate our capabilities, evaluate strengths.

According to some reports, the Mi-24 helicopters that were used during the exercises are those rotorcraft that were previously exhibited at the US Cold War Aviation Museum. A few years ago they were bought by private American companies in Bulgaria. Soon they became interested in the US military as an imitation of air threats.
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  1. Kleber 25 January 2020 18: 39 New
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    We must understand how to act against a particular threat in the air.

    In order to understand how to act against the Mi-24, helicopters alone are not enough. The mentality of a Russian pilot cannot be put into American brains.
    As they say: "The Russian tank is not so terrible as its drunk crew."
    1. figwam 25 January 2020 18: 57 New
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      According to the NATO classification, the Mi-24 is given the name Hind, according to the recollections of the Americans they liked the helicopter.
      Hind is quiet, smooth, powerful and fast. And in a conversation after the flight, Stayton and his fellow army pilot Steve Davidson made more admiring comments.
      "He is hardy like a tractor."
      "Put him in the barn for a year, then charge the batteries and you can fly right away. With our helicopters, this will not work."
      "It goes smoothly, just like the old Cadillac 62 of the year."
      "Lubricate it well and you can fly it for hundreds of hours."
      Finally, Stayton said what, in my opinion, serves as the highest honor. One day during a conversation, he leaned back and said, "You know, if I wanted to fly a helicopter just for fun, without a doubt Hind would be at the very top of my choice."

      November 1998, XNUMX
      1. Zoldat_A 26 January 2020 10: 28 New
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        Quote: figvam
        According to the NATO classification, the Mi-24 is given the name Hind, according to the recollections of the Americans they liked the helicopter.
        Hind is quiet, smooth, powerful and fast. And in a conversation after the flight, Stayton and his fellow army pilot Steve Davidson made more admiring comments.
        "He is hardy like a tractor."
        "Put him in the barn for a year, then charge the batteries and you can fly right away. With our helicopters, this will not work."
        "It goes smoothly, just like the old Cadillac 62 of the year."
        "Lubricate it well and you can fly it for hundreds of hours."
        Finally, Stayton said what, in my opinion, serves as the highest honor. One day during a conversation, he leaned back and said, "You know, if I wanted to fly a helicopter just for fun, without a doubt Hind would be at the very top of my choice."

        November 1998, XNUMX

        We just called him - "Flying tank"Both flyers and combat use justified this nickname.
    2. Proton 25 January 2020 19: 41 New
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      As for the drunk, I had enough stables, but the crew, yes, is scary, the mentality is different, go to the end, they will never understand this angry
      1. Kleber 25 January 2020 19: 46 New
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        As for the drunk, one must include logical thinking, and not take everything literally. The Soviet logic school is ruined by Russian education with the notorious Unified State Examination (This is not specifically addressed to you) hi
        1. Terenin 25 January 2020 22: 11 New
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          Quote: Kleber
          As for the drunk, one must include logical thinking, and not take everything literally. The Soviet logic school is ruined by Russian education with the notorious Unified State Examination (This is not specifically addressed to you) hi

          Oh, winked now Soviet tankers will catch up and invest their "five cents" about alcohol in the tank.
          Although, of course, drunkenness and a Russian warrior, this is a myth.
      2. Ingenegr 25 January 2020 21: 39 New
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        "They" also have a lot of people who can go to the end. These are not whipping boys for you. This is an army of professional soldiers. To consider an adversary obviously incapable of fighting is the height of self-confidence. And in battle for self-confidence you have to pay a lot.
        1. Zoldat_A 26 January 2020 10: 39 New
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          Quote: Ingenegr
          "They" also have a lot of people who can go to the end. These are not whipping boys for you.

          Of course! Hollywood showed them all. Do you need to list or do you search on KinoPoisk yourself?

          Afraid of them
          Quote: Ingenegr
          professional soldiers

          start right now?
        2. Zoldat_A 26 January 2020 10: 41 New
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          Quote: Ingenegr
          This is an army of professional soldiers.
        3. Mikhail3 27 January 2020 09: 35 New
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          Excuse me. And what is a "professional soldier"? What is his motivation to "go to the end"? Why is he ready to fight until his death? For the money he gets? And how will he spend them from a zinc coffin?
      3. Zoldat_A 26 January 2020 10: 33 New
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        Quote: Proton
        About the drunk, enough stables

        You did not see the drunk Major Kh_okhlov "behind the wheel" of Mi-24 ...
        Kh_okhlov on Mi-24 did such things that I would not allow myself and on Zaporozhets.

        If anyone remembers Kandahar and Kh_okhlov - hello everyone!
        Who flew with Kh_okhlov - he does not laugh in the circus and is not afraid of death. laughing

        VO-machine for some reason replaced the name of Kh_okhlov with "Ukrainians".
        Your affairs are wonderful, Lord!
      4. tatarin1972 27 January 2020 05: 45 New
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        Our mentality is different, we are “offended by the Power”, they have “the dead do not need money.”
      5. keeper03 27 January 2020 14: 05 New
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        Everyone is trying to pick up a key for us! no But there’s no such key Russians go to the end, so if you trample on us - then be prepared for death !!! angry am soldier
    3. skif8013 25 January 2020 20: 57 New
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      Quote: Kleber
      We must understand how to act against a particular threat in the air.

      In order to understand how to act against the Mi-24, helicopters alone are not enough. The mentality of a Russian pilot cannot be put into American brains.
      As they say: "The Russian tank is not so terrible as its drunk crew."

      Exactly )
    4. PalBor 25 January 2020 21: 35 New
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      About the "drunk crew" somehow ... not really. Even in World War II, 100 grams before a fight is a myth. But in general, everything is for sure.
    5. Fat
      Fat 25 January 2020 23: 31 New
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      Drunk crew The alcohol itself was diluted. Not? There was such a thing as the Air Force flight schools there did not train pilots officers, but fighter pilots, attack aircraft, served for two years, urgently, but not to drag rockets. And fly! My urgent friend flew off to Su 7 Be, getting ready. I almost got an emergency in Pirogovo, where the young "pilots"
      dtsnikov "prepared" There was no time to thump .... But mi2 were beaten all the field up to Oka’s gaze ... A friend flew to the Czech utensils ... Sometimes they thumped together until life spread on high-rise buildings ... So its * urgent * you can’t transfer the service with a machine gun ... When they did the Year of service, so did the fleet of helicopter pilots, the military as a class was covered. Only officers and professionals remained. First career, second, make money ..
      1. rich 26 January 2020 01: 28 New
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        In the United States, exercises were conducted using Mi-24 helicopters:

        This Mi-24 pair was bought by the United States from the Bulgarian Air Force and is owned by a private company from Alabama that provides rare aircraft for shows, exhibitions and training of the United States Air Force. The Davis-Montan Air Base Administration leased them to "thoroughly explore potential opportunities"
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      3. aftbreeze 26 January 2020 15: 09 New
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        No matter how he struggled, he didn’t understand anything. Are you completely unfamiliar with syntax and spelling?
  2. Thrifty 25 January 2020 18: 41 New
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    They are preparing to fight against us, and against those countries that have these helicopters in service. A weakly real battle against their Apaches to hold in their states?
    1. Vladimir_2U 25 January 2020 19: 03 New
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      I wish them and without a fight of the earth to fill up a mouthful.
    2. The leader of the Redskins 25 January 2020 21: 07 New
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      There were clashes. In the GDR and the FRG, if I am not mistaken, only with the “cobras”. The score seems to be 1: 1. And the losses are real.
      1. Doliva63 25 January 2020 21: 43 New
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        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        There were clashes. In the GDR and the FRG, if I am not mistaken, only with the “cobras”. The score seems to be 1: 1. And the losses are real.

        What kind of thread details are there? Where, when, why? I didn’t hear, like, about that.
        1. The leader of the Redskins 25 January 2020 22: 24 New
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          I read in a monograph on Mi 24. The magazine "Aviation and Time" late 90s. The clashes were maneuverable, during which one helicopter tried to get into the tail of another. We ended tragically. I don’t remember whose one crashed into a power pole, but in another case, it seems, a collision with the ground.
          1. beeper 26 January 2020 01: 38 New
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            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            I read in a monograph on Mi 24. The magazine "Aviation and Time" late 90s. The clashes were maneuverable, during which one helicopter tried to get into the tail of another. We ended tragically. I don’t remember whose one crashed into a power pole, but in another case, it seems, a collision with the ground.

            hi As far as I remember from the same monograph, then a light American combat helicopter Hugh Cobra and our airborne combat Mi-24 flew at high speed in parallel to each other and the border line (in "disconnected" Germany).
            The light and more maneuverable “Cobra”, with its two-bladed rotor and higher located relative to the tail rotor of the tail rotor, suddenly made an energetic “slide”.
            And the pilot of our (more inert in the evolution of aerobatics) heavy "crocodile", apparently in excitement, synchronously, just as sharply, repeated the enemy maneuver. I did not take into account the large mass and inertia of rotation of the multi-blade main rotor — its blades were cut off by the tail rotor beam .... after which there was a catastrophic “collision with the ground”. request
        2. Fat
          Fat 26 January 2020 01: 34 New
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          Quote: Doliva63
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          There were clashes. In the GDR and the FRG, if I am not mistaken, only with the “cobras”. The score seems to be 1: 1. And the losses are real.

          What kind of thread details are there? Where, when, why? I didn’t hear, like, about that.

          There was no such thing. Otherwise, the whole GSVG would not have sung such songs, such as parting.
        3. ccsr 26 January 2020 12: 00 New
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          Quote: Doliva63
          Where, when, why? I didn’t hear, like, about that.

          Perhaps the author confused, and it was about how in the GSVG two helicopters collided during the exercises in the air and both crews died, though it was about six pilots. Then everyone in the group knew about this, and raised money for the families of the victims.
          1. Doliva63 26 January 2020 18: 43 New
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            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Doliva63
            Where, when, why? I didn’t hear, like, about that.

            Perhaps the author confused, and it was about how in the GSVG two helicopters collided during the exercises in the air and both crews died, though it was about six pilots. Then everyone in the group knew about this, and raised money for the families of the victims.

            When did it happen? For I have not heard of such a case.
            1. ccsr 27 January 2020 13: 18 New
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              Quote: Doliva63
              When did it happen? For I have not heard of such a case.

              I don’t remember exactly, but it was either 90, or 91 - but that was for sure.
              1. Doliva63 27 January 2020 17: 23 New
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                Quote: ccsr
                Quote: Doliva63
                When did it happen? For I have not heard of such a case.

                I don’t remember exactly, but it was either 90, or 91 - but that was for sure.

                I was replaced from the Group in the 90th. So, I haven’t found it, of course.
  3. Aliken 25 January 2020 18: 41 New
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    If only they shared their impressions of the car.
    1. Kleber 25 January 2020 18: 45 New
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      We will not hear adequate answers about our technology from the Americans.
      1. Izotovp 25 January 2020 19: 07 New
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        Unless it is an internal report.
        1. Kleber 25 January 2020 19: 09 New
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          The internal report is not for the general public. winked
          1. Izotovp 25 January 2020 20: 17 New
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            Sometimes they pop up and are very interesting. Once upon a time I came across a report on the weapons used in Iraq. I don’t remember everything, but I remember that they were unhappy with Beretta 92.
            1. Kleber 25 January 2020 20: 28 New
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              Beretta 92 in the USA is called M9

              Disadvantages:
              Large size and massive weapons.
              The "pot-bellied" handle is inconvenient for a person to grasp with a small palm and short fingers.
              Open trigger pull, heavy contamination may cause the trigger to jam.
              A very high rate of fire for such weapons (1100 h / min) negatively affects the accuracy of fire and the longevity of the barrel.
              When using the shoulder rest, the open sight becomes ineffective due to the phenomenon of accommodation.
              When reloading, you can burn yourself on the open barrel.
              1. Avior 25 January 2020 22: 12 New
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                This is clearly not about the army M9
                The rate of fire of 1100 and the shoulder emphasis is clearly not about the army pistol.
                1. Kleber 25 January 2020 22: 16 New
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                  The last three are about the Beretta 93R. She, too, was purchased by the US Army, but in much smaller quantities.
                  1. Avior 25 January 2020 22: 40 New
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                    This is Everything, and not just the last points, on Wikipedia refer to model 90.
                    And it looks very much like the sofa analytics of an unknown author, there are no links there, according to operating experience they write “it leads to seizing”, but not “it can lead”
                    The army model M9 is just distinguished by good accuracy and reliability
                    hi
                    1. Kleber 25 January 2020 22: 44 New
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                      Exactly, I took the flaws from that model. With this these:

                      It has been in service with the US Army since 1989. It differs from the 92F model by a small disc on the trigger axis head and a groove along the lower left edge of the shutter. The disk serves as an additional guide protrusion during the movement of the shutter and prevents the rear of the shutter from coming off the guides when the shutter is destroyed.

                      The shutter breakdown occurred on the early pistols of the 92F model after 4000 shots, failing to reach 9 guaranteed shots when fired with reinforced cartridges (19x9 mm + P + or 19x5000 mm NATO). In 1987, after the suspension of the contract with the United States, the strength of the metal for the manufacture of the shutter was increased and the destruction of the shutter was not detected, but additions were made and the 92FS model appeared.


                      But the evidence for this is really vague.
                      1. Avior 25 January 2020 23: 32 New
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                        No, this also cannot be related to 92fs, there is no automatic mode, in fact this is a slightly improved version of the same 92f of American production
                        Models
                        90 and 93 with automatic mode bursts, to which this can be attributed in principle, these are others, I have not heard that their States have officially put into service
                        hi
                      2. beeper 26 January 2020 02: 04 New
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                        But the evidence for this is really vague.

                        hi These thickenings of the side bars of the shutter on the “improved (according to American claims)” “Beretta” model FS are clearly visible - they are decorated on their outer upper edge (to my taste, rather clumsy, “ugly” winked ) as a pair of concave arcs of large radius exactly on the sides of the shutter, with the largest cross-section in the region of the “mirror” of the shutter, where breaks occurred, the P38 model “traditional” for “Walter” and this one (in terms of the device and details of automation and USM, even externally Italian "copywriters" designed the located "Walter" trigger pull in exactly the same way, and partly according to the overall external design) slammed from it, "Beretta-92"!
              2. Avior 25 January 2020 22: 21 New
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                Looked
                This Wikipedia refers to the Beretta 90-Two, and not to the 92 model. And even then I would prefer in this case not an excerpt from Wikipedia where there is not even a link to the source
      2. Aliken 25 January 2020 20: 15 New
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        I understand that if they are silent, then the device is excellent.
      3. aiden 25 January 2020 20: 47 New
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        Why so. On YouTube, there is a full video of how Americans go to Russia to fly the MiG-29, and then they post how they flew into the stratosphere. They are thrilled. For example

        Or
    2. Fat
      Fat 26 January 2020 01: 42 New
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      What to share then? Shock-transport machines, we did not come up with. Roughly ... Life made. Although this helicopter is like a landing machine ... To put it mildly, it is not convenient, it was on fire support ...
      What the US Army wanted from him, well, it’s just not clear ...
  4. newcomer 25 January 2020 18: 43 New
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    They study the capabilities of our technology, simultaneously developing skills to fight against our "birds". They have good opportunities to get to know our technology, but it’s a pity.
    1. Kleber 25 January 2020 18: 49 New
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      Apparently, we have been familiar with our equipment for a long time, this is just a flashy training for TV. Perhaps the training was carried out only in words.
    2. 4ekist 25 January 2020 18: 52 New
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      Yes, we have already studied these opportunities with skills in Afghanistan.
      1. newcomer 25 January 2020 19: 18 New
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        It is clear that a long time ago and not today. And we have such opportunities, alas and ah. Unless of course, my sclerosis does not change me.
        1. Sky strike fighter 25 January 2020 19: 29 New
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          Well, this helicopter, thank God, will not be able to be studied soon. Although export vehicles were supplied for Egypt. no recourse

          All-Russian Ka-52 Alligator reconnaissance and attack helicopters will be equipped with a broadband communication system that allows the transmission of large amounts of information at high speed. The development was created by specialists of the Russian company RTI JSC.

          “We are developing a broadband system for helicopters. It is installed on the Ka-52 helicopter as a communication system. The Ka-52 is by far the only helicopter in the world that is equipped with a high-speed data transmission system. Also, this communication complex is installed on export-made helicopters, ”said TASS General Director of RTI Pavel Laptaev.

          https://www.popmech.ru/weapon/news-542064-rossiyskiy-vertolyot-stanet-edinstvennym-v-mire-s-sistemoy-shirokopolosnoy-svyazi/
          1. newcomer 25 January 2020 19: 40 New
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            We will see. I agree, I hope not soon the enemy will gain access to our 52m.
            1. Range 25 January 2020 20: 04 New
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              So what? China won access to our engines on dryers, but they can’t repeat them (no resource), just like in the United States, our rocket engines cannot repeat them even if they have samples.
              1. Kleber 25 January 2020 20: 10 New
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                So I about it. They will never copy our mentality and secrets of a flying school.
              2. newcomer 25 January 2020 23: 44 New
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                And where is the technology? The Yankees have our planes, helicopters, tanks and a lot of different, unspoken. They work for them with Western technology and against Western technology, developing a methodology for combating our technology. The hunt for technology from another opera.
                1. WILL 25 January 2020 23: 53 New
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                  You are right, only it is necessary to note what years this equipment ... the Americans got it after the collapse of the USSR and the termination of the Warsaw Pact with the withdrawal of countries that later joined NATO. Even this article shows that the helicopters were previously ... in the museum!
                  MI 24 of the nineties, like the T72 Tanks - and modern cars, These are two Big differences! hi
                  1. newcomer 26 January 2020 10: 58 New
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                    In engineering and chassis physics, tanks of the 72/90 family are almost identical. On the "stuffing" of course vary. But they will get acquainted with the capabilities of cross-country ability and speed, the intricacies of control. The situation is the same with aviation. Aerobatics and capabilities will be explored. We would have such opportunities to get acquainted with the "iron" of the adversary_ would have invaluable experience.
    3. Fat
      Fat 26 January 2020 01: 56 New
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      Quote: newbie
      They study the capabilities of our technology, simultaneously developing skills to fight against our "birds". They have good opportunities to get to know our technology, but it’s a pity.

      Well, yes. So yeah ... Yesterday we bought 24, went around ... Concluded ... The Russians won’t come up with anything better ... Well, let's roll against the foremost troops as a Rushevounder ...
      They would be better on Il2 .. By chance, as at 45 ... Then they were impressed, maybe now the Lord will allow to refrain from stupidity?
      1. newcomer 26 January 2020 11: 01 New
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        Why should they be pulled out of museums if members of the Yankee gang have advanced USSR equipment, and just slavers like Ukrland give decent copies for free?
  5. Alexey from Perm 25 January 2020 18: 46 New
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    Yes, the Americans are doing the right thing, in fact, studying a potential enemy. It is a pity we do not have such opportunities.
    1. Kleber 25 January 2020 19: 04 New
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      In order to actually study a potential adversary, they need to be put in control of pilots from these countries, otherwise it’s bullshit, not study. And they do not have such opportunities.
      1. Piramidon 25 January 2020 19: 20 New
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        Quote: Kleber
        In order to actually study a potential adversary, they need to be put in control of pilots from these countries, otherwise it’s bullshit, not study. And they do not have such opportunities.

        "Sumerians" will be attracted if necessary. Those will happily agree. Yes, and in the former social. such countries are full.
        1. Kleber 25 January 2020 19: 23 New
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          For 3 decades, the generation of pilots has changed, and the Sumerians' flight school is no longer the same.
          1. Range 26 January 2020 03: 19 New
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            Yes, the most important thing is that an airplane that does not fly due to the diffusion of materials at the points of tight contact between them makes the mechanisms not movable. As they say in the people "take root." So before the disaster in the air at hand.
        2. Range 25 January 2020 20: 08 New
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          In Domaidon times, Russian pilots flew over Sumerian planes due to the lack of flyers with experience with the Sumerians themselves. One of these pilots is my neighbor.
          1. Range 25 January 2020 21: 02 New
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            And immediately the Sumerians pan-legged amicably signed up for the minus fans. lol
      2. Ingenegr 25 January 2020 21: 48 New
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        In the 90s, a considerable number of Russian citizens, including military pilots with good experience, left “free Russia” for a foreign land in search of a better share. And very, very many of them became citizens of other states. USA - including.
        Not? Wasn't it like that?
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          Fat 26 January 2020 03: 19 New
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          Quote: Ingenegr
          In the 90s, a considerable number of Russian citizens, including military pilots with good experience, left “free Russia” for a foreign land in search of a better share. And very, very many of them became citizens of other states. USA - including.
          Not? Wasn't it like that?

          You better know, you are in other countries on chairs in two tiers with an arrow flying? Not?
    2. Fat
      Fat 26 January 2020 01: 59 New
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      Quote: Alexey from Perm
      Yes, the Americans are doing the right thing, in fact, studying a potential enemy. It is a pity we do not have such opportunities.

      No? Do not sin against ... Yes, how much money is enough ....
  6. cniza 25 January 2020 18: 49 New
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    It is noted that the HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopters actually opposed the Mi-24 in the Davis Montan area.


    The class of technology is of great importance, but even more important is the one who controls ...
    1. Pete mitchell 25 January 2020 22: 56 New
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      hi Honestly, the bad news: Davis-Monthan is the home of the A-10 attack aircraft. When their home rescue squadron on the HH-60G, imprisoned for special operations, actively trains to counteract the Mi-24 - the question is what theater are they preparing for? Given that -24ki pulled almost from the dump: unpleasant news.
    2. Fat
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      Quote: cniza
      It is noted that the HH-60G Pave Hawk helicopters actually opposed the Mi-24 in the Davis Montan area.


      The class of technology is of great importance, but even more important is the one who controls ...

      Stupidly. In the heyday of the Mi24 type assault helicopters, the Soviet Union had an order of magnitude more experience than Sikorsky. Even the purely tactics of the uss must be sought.
      A flag in hand, a drum on the neck .... And to study ... to study ... Where they will be sent .. with experience no one knows. What kind of provocation are you planning? Not?
      1. cniza 26 January 2020 08: 44 New
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        They will create a minimum of provocation, and a maximum of preparing for war ...
  7. nm76 25 January 2020 18: 49 New
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    In the USA, there is an Air Force training center in which pilots practice air combat skills with the equipment of a likely enemy ... Equipment there naturally appeared back in Soviet times ...
    It was either military trophies, or our "partners" in the Warsaw bloc, third world countries, etc., made a leak ....
    And today, it’s no secret to anyone that our former satellites, who have entered or are about to enter NATO, have the equipment in question, so this is their workdays, and for some it is HORROR)))))
    1. nm76 25 January 2020 19: 50 New
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      Either this pathological feeling of hostility towards me, or I am minus the full (impotent) ...
      Guys, how not to know:
      1 ....
      2 ....
      3 ....
      Foreign Google and our Yandex to help you.
      Before minus, at least give me an argument, what can I refer to above))
      1. Range 25 January 2020 21: 09 New
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        Do not be discouraged, minusers have always been present on this resource, and with the advent of pan-legcoles in modern history, this has become a common practice, since there is a catastrophic lack of brains for writing your disagreement with a comment, but just a monkey click on the minus. And where do they get the brains in the pan.
        1. nm76 25 January 2020 21: 29 New
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          Yes, there is not so much pan-annual, moreover, it was situational and now it is definitely not repeatable ...
          Here military woodpecker in the most worthless sense of the word, multiplied by a certain kind of stagnation in human life ...
          All this leads to a denial of reality ...
          I figuratively and even in a sense exaggerated, but on the whole I hope it is clear and understandable for an endangered species - a person who thinks.
      2. Doliva63 25 January 2020 21: 48 New
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        Either this pathological feeling of hostility towards me, or I am minus the full (impotent) ...
        Guys, how not to know:
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        Foreign Google and our Yandex to help you.
        Before minus, at least give me an argument, what can I refer to above))

        If you are sure that you are right, what are your downsides? Do not pay attention, it is worth responding only to reasoned comments.
        1. nm76 25 January 2020 22: 07 New
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          The fact of the matter is that instead of arguments, minuses pour in ...
          Well, even if I am wrong and strongly disagree, with the Komsomol)))
          Well, please justify, so they say and so, you do not understand a damn thing, and so on ........))
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            Quote: nm76
            The fact of the matter is that instead of arguments, minuses pour in ...
            Well, even if I am wrong and strongly disagree, with the Komsomol)))
            Well, please justify, so they say and so, you do not understand a damn thing, and so on ........))

            No, well, there is no need to disagree with the Komsomol! For this, the minuses are always correct. laughing But honestly, I don’t see what they’ve got to the bottom of. Maybe I just didn’t like ava ar.
            1. nm76 25 January 2020 22: 15 New
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              I welcome a sense of humor, banter and intelligence ...
              I didn’t understand your joke ....
              1. Range 25 January 2020 22: 31 New
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                If every time a minuser speaks and trolls that he is a log, then he really will become a log. I say it in exaggeration. And the only way out of their degradation for the minuser is to stop his filth. In general, they should be treated with pity, well, Nature has cheated them ... and they are trying to put their value to the cheap in a cheap way. But the funny thing is that the minuscator-kaker “ignore” kills to death.
                1. Kleber 25 January 2020 22: 38 New
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                  Quote: Spectrum
                  If every time a minuser speaks and trolls that he is a log, then he really will become a log.

                  And that’s what you’re saying is just a fierce minuser laughing
                  1. Range 25 January 2020 22: 48 New
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                    Well, then I got to the point. I haven’t been here for a long time, and so far I’m only shooting.
                    Although my comment above applies to all those who brainlessly clicks on the minus without leaving their comment on the reason for the minus.
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                  Quote: Spectrum
                  If every time a minuser speaks and trolls that he is a log, then he really will become a log. I say it in exaggeration. And the only way out of their degradation for the minuser is to stop his filth. In general, they should be treated with pity, well, Nature has cheated them ... and they are trying to put their value to the cheap in a cheap way. But the funny thing is that the minuscator-kaker “ignore” kills to death.

                  I agree, tough. I set it just a minus, but I wanted a saliva hangover with onions and garlic .... Without access to fresh water ... Well, I don’t gall to throw merde. Put a minus and modestly rolled off. Get it!
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        I am completely impotent and even disabled. But no, maybe full. But I remember the regime in production and the army. Then you don’t have a sychaz
        , then no bullshit would be enough for bargaining ... Well-earned minus, You are our trader, not afraid of I ...
        Foreign Google ...
  8. Keyser soze 25 January 2020 18: 55 New
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    Dam in 2011, the Bulgarian Ministry of War sold 11 Mi turntables 17 of them Mi 24D (6) for 12 million euros.

    All helicopters, by that time had not flown for 10 years, remained on the street and were completely exhausted between repairs. The remaining Mi 24V was repaired with money. Sold to a private Bulgarian weapons company.

    What Americans will learn by training against the Mi 24D is a complete secret, for me and the whole world ...
  9. nm76 25 January 2020 18: 56 New
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    And most importantly, soon these helicopters will not fly with enemies and allies !!!
    Russian Helicopters holding killed not only the development of modern technology, but also the support of units sent for export.
    I think that the rotorcraft inhabitants of the site, if desired, will make adjustments ...
    For everyone else: -We sold helicopters to Afghanistan, paid us for this, the hated Americans ...
    when the question arose of extending resources and servicing, our Russian nepotism effect worked ...
    In a word, we took this contract and many other potential ones)
    1. Petrol cutter 25 January 2020 20: 02 New
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      Why so? I'm not talking about the hated Americans, but about the development of new technology.
      1. nm76 25 January 2020 20: 09 New
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        I, in this matter, considered our obligations on routine maintenance, repair, maintenance, certification and resource renewal.
        We are not for American money, as I wrote above, we undertook to develop, etc ....
        We have sold and committed to service ...
        I think I clearly explained the essence of the issue?
        1. Petrol cutter 25 January 2020 20: 41 New
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          Well yes. I was imbued. You are for service and technical support of products sold inform.
          Mnu was interested in a little other moment, well, God be with him.
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            Major Benzorez, try to go abroad you explainable ...
            If we sell, we are liable ...
            If we do not fulfill our obligations, then our helicopters do not fly ...
            I think one big star on your shoulder straps is enough to reproduce what I said?
            I can, if that, and for full woodpeckers explain)
            1. Kleber 25 January 2020 21: 10 New
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              Major Gas Cutter


              HaKhaaaaaaaaaaa))))))) To tears))))

              Burn more drinks
  10. Thunderbolt 25 January 2020 19: 00 New
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    What a game. Russian trophy equipment is an inapplicable attribute of continental American teachings. They even create Soviet --- now Russian "conditional" AO teams. However, they call them names, rush.
    1. Thunderbolt 25 January 2020 19: 18 New
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      Here is another topic for the article. In the German base, it’s also the American air base Geilenkirchen, a detailed map of the city of Bryansk was found printed in a mobile American printing house ..... Sensation !!!
      1. Kleber 25 January 2020 19: 28 New
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        When enlarged, the map does not give a clear picture. Well, even so it is clear that it is physical, not topographic.
        1. Thunderbolt 25 January 2020 19: 46 New
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          Quote: Kleber
          When enlarged, the map does not give a clear picture. Well, even so it is clear that it is physical, not topographic.

          Quote: Kleber
          When enlarged, the map does not give a clear picture. Well, even so it is clear that it is physical, not topographic.

          What other proofs do you need this Saturday night?
          1. Kleber 25 January 2020 19: 51 New
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            Evidence, sorry, what? laughing
            1. Thunderbolt 25 January 2020 20: 04 New
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              offensive Kleber, today on Saturday the Reds attacked the United States. Google the news, videos from the events I brought. Waler, this is FFse for today ...))) drinks
              1. Kleber 25 January 2020 20: 06 New
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                No, I'd rather google another 150 horses drinks hi
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                  Quote: Kleber
                  I'd rather google another 150 horses
                  From

                  For victory !

                  Ours landed an unexpected tactical assault in Times Square / g. New York / Vanguards pushed forward to Broadway and 47th Ave. Walking paralyzed with heavy machine-gun fire soldier ))) Five grandmothers were frightened, and six doggie crap one's pants. As a result of traffic jams, 7 New York taxi drivers of Latino Negro nationality went a little crazy, declared themselves guilty of climate warming and went on foot march to the Capitol / around Columbia / topple Trump, powerfully shaking unregistered revolvers.
                  1. Kleber 25 January 2020 20: 48 New
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                    From the diversion group of the special forces of the Kashinsky distillery landed on the Yellowstone volcano have not yet received reports? soldier
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                      From the diversion group of the special forces of the Kashinsky distillery landed on the Yellowstone volcano have not yet received reports? soldier

                      Received ... For high-speed moonshine, the volcano is not yet suitable. There is no prospect, reverse embarcation through its channels ...
                      ))))
          2. Terenin 25 January 2020 22: 26 New
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            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Quote: Kleber
            When enlarged, the map does not give a clear picture. Well, even so it is clear that it is physical, not topographic.

            Quote: Kleber
            When enlarged, the map does not give a clear picture. Well, even so it is clear that it is physical, not topographic.

            What other proofs do you need this Saturday night?

            Well, here I will not argue no with the statement of the hero, from the video that "America, this is a brothel!"
      2. akarfoxhound 26 January 2020 11: 21 New
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        We have the same terrain maps of almost the whole world in the chipboard "library" of each part. And in the exercises, we did not limit ourselves in gluing sheets along the state border. And what should your "sensation" Bryansk show (prove, scare, surprise) ???
  11. taurtaurov 25 January 2020 19: 03 New
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    Tv guys off-topic THINKING BETTER TO CREATE A THEME ABOUT THIS, 2019-nCoV: USA and France urgently evacuate their citizens from China, WHY WE CONTINUE FLYING THERE, Remember my words, there will be huge losses
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      WHY WE CONTINUE FLYING THERE

      Why are you flying there? After all, the Russian Foreign Ministry recommended to refrain from trips to China.
  12. knn54 25 January 2020 19: 34 New
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    https://diana-miharnal.com/3335577.htmlilova.livejou
    The story of one training air battle: how two Hungarian Mi-24V shot down four US Air Force F-15S
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      Link does not open.
  13. Sergey Averchenkov 25 January 2020 19: 48 New
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    We had posters hanging in our flight room about how the Mi-24 should act against tanks. That's all, that's what these helicopters are imprisoned for.
    1. Kleber 25 January 2020 20: 00 New
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      Especially for the Mi-24 in the late 1970s, the GUV-1 helicopter gondolas (including the AGS-17 “Flame” automatic grenade launcher) and the GUV-8700 (one Yakb-12.7 four-barrel machine gun and two four-barrel GShG-7,62 machine guns) were developed.
      Mi-24 can also carry two cannon containers UPK-23-250 with a GSh-23L gun and an ammunition load of 250 shells.
      At the end of the 24s, some Mi-1980Ps received 2 R-60 / R-60M air-to-air missiles for self-defense from enemy fighters and for fighting enemy helicopters. APU with missiles were installed on internal holders.


      Armament is clearly not only against tanks.
      1. Sergey Averchenkov 25 January 2020 20: 11 New
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        I am not a military analyst, I just say that I saw and know. On the beard was a four-barreled gun (so spinning :). Four blocks of nurses or two plus managed. We thought so - mi24 is an air assault, mi-8 transport assault. I am just a specialist in objective control and no one else.
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        Armament is clearly not only against tanks.

        Assault landing machine. Well, like an aerial BMP. What is the whole conversation ... UH60 Sikorsky is an analogue of mi24
  14. Petrol cutter 25 January 2020 19: 57 New
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    It is strange.
    Black Hawk is of course a respected device, but how be ... Comparing is useful with modern versions. In theory.
    And so, would you even compare with MI 1 ...
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      It is strange.
      Black Hawk is of course a respected device, but how be ... Comparing is useful with modern versions. In theory.
      And so, would you even compare with MI 1 ...

      Well .. From 1977 to this day ... The US Army has been purchasing ... I haven’t heard another yet ..
      Any news?
  15. Klmn 25 January 2020 20: 17 New
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    For a long time, I don’t remember how many years ago, I watched a film of roofing felts about comparing helicopters, roofing felts about Afghanistan, I don’t remember exactly, but the film was American. So what am I doing there, it was perfectly told about the tactics of Soviet pilots, etc. cars. I also remembered what they compared with their Apaches, they say machines of different tasks, apaches are slower and type is neater, Mi-24 is faster and more powerful, well, in general, different tasks :)
    So we studied and rode on Mi for a long time.
    But I agree with many, the pilots ’mentality and professionalism are important, which sometimes comes to the mind of Russian pilots and that they do mischief for the sake of shocking their foreign colleagues :)
    1. Petrol cutter 25 January 2020 20: 29 New
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      I am not a professional in terms of aviation, but, somewhere I read something, somewhere sometimes I was standing nearby. In my opinion, Apache and Mil24 are certainly different devices. For different events created. Apache must be compared with purely shock Mil or Kamov. Yes, where will they get it? .. Well, it’s standing in my yard. So I won’t sell ... no
  16. Yaro Polk 25 January 2020 20: 37 New
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    I wonder why they are doing this, according to their stupid mattress logic, the Russians should be scared, and remove V.V. Putin or what? laughing
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    According to some reports, the Mi-24 helicopters that were used during the exercises are the rotorcraft that were previously exhibited at the US Cold War Aviation Museum

    What I like about the USA is that museums preserve existing models of technology. The same New Jersey or Iowa, if desired, can be quickly put into operation.
    1. Kleber 25 January 2020 22: 09 New
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      What I like about the USA is that museums preserve existing models of technology. The same New Jersey or Iowa, if desired, can be quickly put into operation.


      There are many techniques in museums:




      But about quick commissioning, I’m not sure:
      1. Avior 25 January 2020 23: 37 New
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        In the photo is not a museum, but the Davis-Montin air base, more than 4 thousand storage units in varying degrees of preservation, some can be put into operation relatively quickly
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          In any case, ZIRCON is already aiming at these ranges, they will not have time to enter anything there, see how heap all the planes are)
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            After the start of the war, it’s clear
            But before this there may be a threatened period
            But in general, Zircon is RCC
  18. Doliva63 25 January 2020 22: 20 New
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    I welcome a sense of humor, banter and intelligence ...
    I didn’t understand your joke ....

    If you are to me, then I did not pretend to be a joke. I expressed my opinion on why they can put a minus. hi
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    And when will they train on their technique ?!
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      And when will they train on their technique ?!

      But you must? Something I did not hear, that someone mastered me en masse. Like zero ...
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    only even from their mouths it is not announced who is better))))))))))
    I conclude they are afraid that the sale of local equipment will fall
  21. Tarasios 26 January 2020 05: 01 New
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    taking into account the fact that the Americans with the same Mi-24 have known and very well for a long time, I believe that this video is another element of the system of psychological pressure on Russia and its possible allies. All these movements of military equipment in Europe, the Black Sea, all these numerous shows using grew. weapons. It is very reminiscent of the repeatedly beaten moment in films and books, where the villain sits opposite the adversary and, looking hopefully and fiercely at him, takes out his huge knife and starts sharpening it loudly (loudly :)). Like, now, now, now with this knife ...
  22. tunes 26 January 2020 18: 07 New
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    Near future

    But America has long come p ... c! (end)
    She still does not know about it.
    There is no such country on the map anymore
    And the world at first sighs in relief.

    Then he thinks: “But how to live further?”
    Without a dollar and directions from above?
    You need to move your brains again
    Or rather look for another "roof"?

    Who should they choose for this role?
    Germany, China or Russia?
    They don’t taunt small Britain -
    She has long been under the waves of the sea.

    Russia doesn’t want to be anymore
    Neither an evil teacher, nor a good aunt,
    Take your fate - under a bridle,
    And happiness to you - in your swamp!