Parachutes are being tested in Russia for survival when landing on water

The new device is a quick-release carbine, which allows you to quickly get rid of the dome after landing on a water surface. The development is intended for the Russian military. Now they are passing her tests.

About this news agency TASS learned from the Director General of the Research Institute of Parachute Engineering Andrei Rozhkov. The scientific institution headed by him is part of the Technodinamika holding, which is part of the Rostec state corporation.

Advanced carabiners allow the paratrooper to quickly get rid of the suspension system and the canopy if it lands in the water during landing. Thus, he will not drown and will escape death.

Rozhkov told reporters the following:

At the moment, several design options for carbines have been developed that go through a series of comprehensive tests.

At the same time, the general director added that when developing carbines, not only today's requirements were taken into account, but also those that may arise in the future, including an increase in weight with a payload.

Strength tests of carbines are carried out in conditions of ultra-low and ultra-high temperatures, almost one hundred percent humidity, as well as dust, dirt, sand. In addition, during the tests shock loads are artificially created that can occur in practice in extreme and even emergency situations.

The improvement of the parachute safety system was caused by an accident that occurred last June at the Old Crimea training ground. Then the two paratroopers drowned when landing in a pond. The commission found that they could not quickly get rid of parachutes.

Comments

[Observer2014]

The echo of the tragedy a couple of years ago with the paratroopers brought into the river. Plus, the increase in mass, as indicated in the article, this probably indicates the use of exoskeletons by fighters in the near future. A very cool and necessary development.

[cost]

Echo of the tragedy a couple of years ago

An echo of last year's tragedy: In June 2019, during a training parachute jump at the Old Crimea training ground, two Airborne troops fell into the pond and drowned. According to the conclusions of the commission, they could not timely get rid of the parachute's suspension system.

[Observer2014]

Quote: Rich

Echo of the tragedy a couple of years ago

An echo of last year's tragedy: In June 2019, during a training parachute jump at the Old Crimea training ground, two Airborne troops fell into the pond and drowned. According to the conclusions of the commission, they could not timely get rid of the parachute's suspension system.

On November 24, 2017, the Kuban. Three paratroopers drowned in the river. And how many such tragedies were there before? About which we were not told. However, this does not change the essence of my first comment.

[krot]

Well, yes, it's not the case when a jump with a poorly controlled "dome" and hitting the water is almost guaranteed death.

[Doliva63]

Quote: krot

Well, yes, it's not the case when a jump with a poorly controlled "dome" and hitting the water is almost guaranteed death.

How is the controllability of the dome? And if you need it in the water? And almost guaranteed death - from untrained personnel. And no "carbine" or handling will help. By the way, in blessed times we jumped on the water first on the "Oak", and only then on the steered ones.

[krot]

Quote: Doliva63

Dome control here what side?

The most direct when the paratrooper flies into the water and can not change the trajectory.

A virtually guaranteed death - from the lack of education of personnel

Your training seems to be available ..

[Doliva63]

Quote: krot

Quote: Doliva63

Dome control here what side?

The most direct when the paratrooper flies into the water and can not change the trajectory.

A virtually guaranteed death - from the lack of education of personnel

Your training seems to be available ..

The paratrooper must be able to splash down. Regardless of the type of parachute. I meant that. And yes, I had complete order with the training when I was an instructor in airborne training in reconnaissance. Well, and remember something since

[krot]

The paratrooper must be able to splash down

All abnormal situations were considered and worked out thoroughly. As now I will not say

All parachutists, without exception, are taught to land on water (in theory, of course), in the section for special cases.

You are all right! In theory, this must be taught. But in reality, everything is a little different from the methodology. And the usual landing, although the "elite" of the army, but still ordinary troops, not special forces and not intelligence. And skills are not received there in practical terms, when you splash down during training, and an instructor is waiting for you in the water, and if something helps. Just a theory. (special cases) So they would give everyone a wing, instead of D6 and its modifications. But they do not give it! Because ordinary soldiers, not special names.
And here lies the whole clue:

with weapons and equipment, without a life jacket, not survive, but certain death. No locks will help.

[ltc35]

That's right. Waterlogging was part of our training at every pre-jump preparation that took place before each jump. All abnormal situations were considered and worked out thoroughly. As now I will not say this. I do not know.

[orionvitt]

Quote: krot

jump with a poorly controlled "canopy" and hitting the water, almost guaranteed death

All parachutists, without exception, are taught to land on water (in theory, of course), in the section on special cases. (When approaching the water surface, it is more convenient to "sit down" in the harness, unfasten and throw out the spare tire, unfasten the chest strap, unfasten the leg loops. At a height of about two meters above the water, "slip" out of the harness, dive and swim against the wind, so as not to get entangled in the lines and not get under the canopy). We were taught on D-5 parachutes. But what's simple in theory is hard in practice. The question is, why invent locks if they were invented long ago.

True, earlier, on landing parachutes, there were no such systems, only on sports ones. I agree on one thing, when landing on water (well, when you are light, you can swim out), with weapons and equipment, without a life jacket, you cannot survive, but certain death. No locks will help. media = https: //aviatus.ru/parachuting/parachutes/d-1-5u/using_lock_osk/

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: orionvitt

The question is, why reinvent castles, if they have been invented long ago.

To cut extra millions for "development".
We jumped with such locks on D-30 6 years ago. And on the water as well. And nothing. And if someone "got confused" there, it is the fault of the "confused" one.

Several years ago there was news that a boy in the army was "given a camouflage coat that was not in size" and when he threw a grenade (which was not said) he dropped it into his sleeve. I don’t know how it was, but the boy was left without hands and the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers demanded a dough from the Ministry of Defense. So who is to blame - the manufacturer of camouflage coats, the manufacturer of grenades, the ensign, who did not pick up the "right" size, or the crooked-handed dunce who almost killed himself and those who were standing next to him?

[Free wind]

Did any of them know how to swim? For example, I’m swimming pretty well now, I used to swim perfectly, but there are 20 percent like me, no more, 40 percent can swim a bit around the dog. but the rest they don’t know how to swim at all, and at least he’ll drown any kind of carbine for him. But nobody is going to teach swimming conscripts and contract soldiers.

[tlauicol]

In winter, with unloading, in a helmet, with a machine gun in ice water, this is not in swimming trunks in the summer. Drown

[Free wind]

Drowned in the summer.

[Avior]

Logically, there should be at least a minimum life-saving vest when it enters the water, so as to maintain at least partially on the water.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Free Wind

Did any of them know how to swim? For example, I’m swimming pretty well now, I used to swim perfectly, but there are 20 percent like me, no more, 40 percent can swim a bit around the dog. but the rest they don’t know how to swim at all, and at least he’ll drown any kind of carbine for him. But nobody is going to teach swimming conscripts and contract soldiers.

At other times, there were freelance swimming instructors. We have - in each company were. Appointed by order in part. The order also determined the schedule of classes in the outdoor pool, safety measures, a doctor, etc. First, swimming without weapons, then with weapons. According to the results - offset, only then jumps (including water).

[orionvitt]

Quote: Free Wind

For example, I’m swimming pretty well now, I used to swim perfectly, but there are 20 percent like me, no more, 40 percent can swim a bit around the dog. but the rest do not know how to swim,

Nonsense. Among my friends, people who do not know how to swim (men at least), there is no word at all. Maybe there are people like that somewhere in Mongolia, in the desert, or in the far north. But in the middle lane and in the south, such units. The question is different, in adverse circumstances, everyone is drowning. And the swimmers and the rest.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Free Wind

For example, I’m swimming pretty well now, I used to swim perfectly, but there are 20 percent like me, no more, 40 percent can swim a bit around the dog. but the rest they don’t know how to swim at all, and at least he’ll drown any kind of carbine for him.

Human in principle cannot drown. The buoyancy of the living human body is positive. For example, if I DO NOT completely move in the water, I plunge vertically to the bridge of the nose.
Learning to swim - yes, the water itself holds. Move your legs and feet and swim.

I myself am swimming well, although I have never gone in for sports like swimming. At the age of 20, he crossed the Volga round trip three times (approximately, excluding drift over the course, about 4 km). Now in the pool two or three times a week, two sessions (one - 45 minutes. I’m not enough)

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Observer2014

Very cool and necessary development.

Maybe the right one.
Only 30 years ago, we jumped into the water without any "developments" from the D-6 - and nothing, "quick-release" ones, were not required. And no one got entangled in the canopy-slings. Maybe the landing was different?

In tragedies with "entangled" the "entangled" themselves are to blame. And there is nothing to blame for and spend millions on the development of "quick-release carbines".
By golly, as in the case of the Americans developing a fountain pen that writes in zero gravity despite the fact that ours were marked with a pencil.

[minus]

It can be quickly released, but the dome can still cover and interfere ... Isn’t it easier to integrate an automatic inflatable buoyancy vest with large buoyancy?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Minus

It can be freed quickly, but the dome can still cover and interfere ... And it’s not easier than automatic large buoyancy vest integrate?

Rescue boat. With a resuscitation team. And integrate all this into a parachute. But didn’t you learn to dive and swim under water from under the dome of these mountain paratroopers?

[knn54]

What if tropical rain?

[Slavs]

Do you think that landing is carried out under any weather conditions?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Slavs

Do you think that landing is carried out under any weather conditions?

That's the landing.

[rocket757]

In all we need skill, training, TRAINING!
Quality training will not replace ANYTHING!

[minus]

That round, that the square dome when landing on the water is almost a guaranteed death. And on the wing, few of the rank and file can ... Unfortunately, the systems that are discussed in the article are not for mass use. And about carbines only the story is foolish ... They are already so strong ... Distraction from the topic, no more.

[rocket757]

As if the foreman / instructor did not say that when splashing, the parachute must be detached in advance (if this is provided for by the design of the parachute), the fighter only realizes this after the eleventh landing on the water .... if it is safe, after previous touchdowns.

[Pete mitchell]

Who is familiar with the situation: are they generally really thrown into the water?
Pilots jump on water for training

[alexmach]

Paratroopers? Massively? No, of course. They don’t intentionally throw either water or dense forest, but accidents happen.

[Pete mitchell]

We were thrown specially into the water, after the first course. Survival course with all sorts of miracles and 'rides'. Well, then who was lucky

[orionvitt]

I remember at parachute courses in DOSSAF, the instructor mentioned shots from a movie about partisans. When paratroopers were behind enemy lines, they landed on the lake, also at night. He said that it was cool, he would never have gone for it. Although the most under 5000 jumps.

[K-36]

Eugene (Minus), ek you got carried away ... "What is round, what is the square dome when landing on the water, almost a guaranteed death"

I, for example, jumped into the water 20 times. And with round domes, and with "wings". As you can see, he is alive and well. What do you want!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: K-36

20 times jumped into the water.

develop doubts: isn’t it just for nothing?

[K-36]

develop doubts: nick is not just?

Yes, the nickname is purely professional. The whole service from 1984 to the beginning of the 2000s - These are PS and PDS, and since 1988. I cooked us. PS and PDS of aviation units. Although sometimes officers of other types and branches of the army came across.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: K-36

nickname is purely professional.

Respect. Like all pilots, if there is an opportunity to jump off, I will choose to abstain. although he started to jump to college yet

[Doliva63]

Quote: Minus

That round, that the square dome when landing on the water is almost a guaranteed death. And on the wing, few of the rank and file can ... Unfortunately, the systems that are discussed in the article are not for mass use. And about carbines only the story is foolish ... They are already so strong ... Distraction from the topic, no more.

Afiget! And the men do not even know! (Or whatever it was in the advertisement, I forgot) Nothing that a jump into the water is included in the training program for l / s? Another thing is how this program is executed. But the roundness / squareness of the dome is not about anything. And the most difficult jump is not at all water, if that.

[tlauicol]

Will not help. Well, you dropped the dome - there will be a reserve parachute, weapons, pea jacket, etc. A lot of things

[minus]

Here it is ... Only a rescue system with great positive buoyancy!:!

[K-36]

Ivan (tlauikol), you are not quite in the topic. The fact is that the "reserve" when it gets into the water has positive buoyancy A couple of minutes until it gets completely wet. And these minutes are enough to emerge to the surface away from the dome panel. True, before this, competent training is needed on specially equipped simulators.
As an MS on parachuting, I can unequivocally assert that the lack of education is to blame for the majority of the tragic outcomes. Although I’m ready to admit that there are such circumstances that training cannot help. Something like this.

[tlauicol]

buoyancy of the spare wheel can play a cruel joke - instead of going into the depths and emerging aside, you will quickly emerge and become confused. But you won’t swim with junk for a long time. We were taught to get rid of the whole system when it falls into the water - not before!
and you in full gear jumped into the water?

[K-36]

Ivan (tlahuikol), for this post I will support you with both hands. The fact is that people of different professions jump on the water (and sometimes fall abnormally like "chickens in the pluck"). These are cosmonauts, paratroopers, pilots, SSO officers, and DOSAAF people. And it is quite obvious that they have "Instructions for splashdown" should be different! For everything very much depends on the equipment: this is the type of parachute, and the presence (or absence) of locks for uncoupling the parachute, the presence (or absence) of additional cargo (container or weapon), etc. It is quite obvious that the specific algorithm of actions for such reducers should be purely specific. Perhaps, there is only one universal rule: to emerge away from the surface of a dome that has fallen on water.
And yes, I completely agree with you that the most difficult jump on the water is the jump of a soldier in full amphibious weapons. For the sake of truth, I will even note that SSO-shniki jump with weapons (which often clearly exceed the VDV-shny kit), but the SSO obviously do not take "first-rangers". Everyone there jump on "wings" and have more than one hundred jumps.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Tlauicol

buoyancy of the spare wheel can play a cruel joke - instead of going into the depths and emerging aside, you will quickly emerge and become confused. But you won’t swim with junk for a long time. We were taught to get rid of the whole system when it falls into the water - not before!
and you in full gear jumped into the water?

Maybe they teach it in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, I don’t know - did not serve, but in the USSR Armed Forces they couldn’t teach it.

[alexmach]

As an MS on parachuting, I can unequivocally say that in most tragic outcomes it is just the lack of education

I understand you measure on your own? Please tell me, can an ordinary paratrooper be enrolled in droves to such an extent that these tragic accidents would be avoided?

[Doliva63]

Quote: alexmach

As an MS on parachuting, I can unequivocally say that in most tragic outcomes it is just the lack of education

I understand you measure on your own? Please tell me, can an ordinary paratrooper be enrolled in droves to such an extent that these tragic accidents would be avoided?

"To avoid these tragic accidents", you need to learn only 3 hand movements - do you think "you can learn to that extent"?

[sailor roman]

In 1986, on the Black Sea Fleet, on the initiative of specialists from the Search and Rescue Service and the support of the fleet command, a Rescue Parachute Group was created and very effectively solved. It was created from officers, midshipmen and ambulances of sailors of the coastal emergency rescue party of more than thirty people. The group worked in the open sea on a wave of up to 5 points. The group was headed by Air Force Major Nikolai Borisov. He developed a very simple and reliable quick-disconnect device and much more. The group existed until 1992. Over the years, the composition of the group has changed many times, the total number of jumps on water is more than 5 thousand, and at the same time, not a single case with loss of life happened. Since 1991, the fleet began to be destroyed and the group ceased to exist. But many of its participants, including Nikolai Borisov, are alive, healthy and ready to pass on their experience to a new generation. However, the modern naval command and control system is not capable of solving this simplest task, although this has been repeatedly reported to the Navy command.

[minus]

A quick release on any sports dome is worth it! The thing is different! Difficulty for a fighter to determine the distance to the surface of the water and the moment of release! If on the wing it is not so critical, horizontal speed is high, then on mass parachutes it is of little use. One figs, the area of ​​the dome is large and can cover ...

[sailor roman]

Before the SPDG was thrown onto the water from the AN-26 aircraft, inflatable rescue boats with a motor in a rubber bag and LAS-5M, half-ready for deployment, were dropped on makeshift platforms. Water diving was carried out in groups of 5-6 people in a group in the overalls of the paratrooper with the necessary number of tools for the final deployment of rescued boats and rafts.

[K-36]

Roman (sailor), through my hands passed courses beginning. PS and PLC Borisov Boris Borisovich. Is Borisov mentioned by you exactly Nikolai?

[sailor roman]

Retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Nikolai Borisov, formerly the head of the PDS and PSS of the Black Sea Fleet, is alive and well, a pensioner, lives in the village of Kacha near Sevastopol.

[KBaHT_BpeMeHu]

Reinsurance is never superfluous, but if everything is done correctly, firstly unfasten before splashdown then secondly you can use the reserve for up to 30 minutes as a lifebuoy. Training, training, and training again ...

[minus]

The spare tire will not last so much .... the clothes get wet faster .... Yes, and its volume is very small ... It will not hold weapons and ammunition, not to mention wet equipment.

[Thrifty]

I thought they would fit a small self-inflating vest for the paratroopers, so that when they enter the water, they pull the valve, and the vest inflates in seconds. ...

[Zeev Zeev]

I jumped with a parachute in the army 17 years ago, we were armed with American T-10 parachutes and Israeli Tsabar-3. There were quick-release mounts, and before the jumps, instructions were given on what to do if the wind blows into the water. Anyway, diving is part of the parachute training of half of the IDF special forces. And the Russian special forces seem to be jumping into the water. Is it really so difficult to copy bindings, a penny thing, or at least give instructions?

[Langf]

I remember on the D-5 there was a trailer on the straps, something like now on the seat belts, but it was always tightly checked. And on the RAP, they brought it up - forget, so that foolishly where you don’t have to click away. I think it’s unlikely that they will come up with something else, you just need to think through a random reset.

[Flatter]

The determinant of distance to the surface. It would be useful on land.

[tlauicol]

Everyone writes about determining the distance to the water and the release - nonsense - that's how they die. It is necessary to slip out of the suspension when touching the water - the height cannot be determined and the time, too.
But it’s good for sports. And for jumping without trunks. If fully equipped in water ... amen anyway

[Zeev Zeev]

But what, quick-release fasteners for trunks can not be done either?

[tlauicol]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

But what, quick-release fasteners for trunks can not be done either?

IMHO, all this is necessary so that the paratrooper is not dragged across the field. Quickly reset the main the dome. And when it falls into the water, it is still necessary to disengage the entire suspension and slip out of it when splashed. Or drown with a gun. So it makes no sense

[Zeev Zeev]

I'm not special in your parachute technique, do they jump with a gun on themselves? We jump with weapons (as well as unloading and ammunition) in a bag that is tied to a fighter on the rail and lands before him. Moreover, the fighter himself unhooks it somewhere 50 meters above the ground.

[tlauicol]

I myself did not jump with a gun.
but comrades are jumping that way - a gun on his chest, take care of your teeth

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

I'm not special in your parachute technique, do they jump with a gun on themselves? We jump with weapons (as well as unloading and ammunition) in a bag that is tied to a fighter on the rail and lands before him. Moreover, the fighter himself unhooks it somewhere 50 meters above the ground.

There was a lot of exercises in airborne training in my time - from jumping "light" to jumping with shooting in the air. When jumping with a weapon, an assault rifle / machine gun / grenade launcher is attached to the outboard, depending on whether it is planned to be used in the air. Some weapons generally only require packing in a container. In general, in different ways. But in any case, it's safe. Of course, everyone also has a shipping container. But for each - for his own, depending on the specialty.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

But what, quick-release fasteners for trunks can not be done either?

What for? GK is attached to the outboard. How freed from her, nothing prevents.

[Zeev Zeev]

So we also attached to the suspension system. On two quick-release mounts that allow you to unhook it immediately before landing and the last couple of tens of meters, the bag goes down on the rail under the parachutist.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

So we also attached to the suspension system. On two quick-release mounts that allow you to unhook it immediately before landing and the last couple of tens of meters, the bag goes down on the rail under the parachutist.

Falling down. Naturally, the cargo container has a "lock" that opens before landing. With one movement of your hand. As a "winged infantry", the USSR Airborne Forces were the most advanced in their time.

[Zeev Zeev]

So who prevents to put the same locks on a suspension system?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

So who prevents to put the same locks on a suspension system?

What a dumb you are. The lock on the pendant will free you from the dome, but not from the pendant, and on it also dofig cargo - is that more clear? Therefore, this garbage in CA did not bother. Minus - mine, for lack of understanding

[Zeev Zeev]

The weapon and ammunition luggage rests on two quick-release locks. Before landing, while still in the air, he is buckled off and he descends separately, tied to a harness. The spare wheel is mounted on two locks and tightened with a belt, which is released in one motion. The suspension system is fastened with four of the same locks - two seconds and it is unfastened. And unfastening the dome is a completely different system. Two rings over the shoulders.

[Doliva63]

We have a suspension on three "locks" - 2 leg loops and a chest strap. Snap off at a time. But the spare wheel, although on 2 "locks", but without any belt. We unfasten the right "lock" of the spare wheel, then - the chest bridge. Then the left leg girth. We sit on the "lodgement" and with the right girth, waiting for water. We unfasten the right one in 5 meters. Until then, there are a couple of meters left to the water. Then - gurgle! And we sail to the side. The dome lies either behind or slightly in front, and a boat / boat approaches you and takes you out of the water. No big deal, just a simple training jump. I don't remember the number of the exercise, really.
You really still do not understand that I am aware of what locks are? Two rings over the shoulders - this is when the free ends of the half-ends go, so to speak. And the castle / locks are at their free ends. Press the key / keys, half-ends fly away with the dome. It has long been, but probably imprinted in my memory forever. Weak your VDP, however

[Zeev Zeev]

So we have about the same and sit on the water. Only the dome is unfastened by the breakdown of two checks. Then it is not clear what kind of stories about the new castles, because the old ones do not open quickly?
PySy: In 1956, the World Parachuting Championship was held in Moscow. The Israeli team took tenth place (last). A few months later, half of this team landed on the Mitle Pass.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Zeev Zeev

So we have about the same and sit on the water. Only the dome is unfastened by the breakdown of two checks. Then it is not clear what kind of stories about the new castles, because the old ones do not open quickly?
PySy: In 1956, the World Parachuting Championship was held in Moscow. The Israeli team took tenth place (last). A few months later, half of this team landed on the Mitle Pass.

Because the parachutist is not = the paratrooper, everything is correct. And, by the way, in the Union the army had its own parachuting sport - it was called military-applied sport. And I had 2 different books: the record book of an athlete-parachutist and a personal book for registering parachute jumps. Therefore, we could show the class at competitions and land where necessary. Now all this is "somewhat" fucked up, but let's go, we'll survive.

[K-36]

Quote: alexmach

As an MS on parachuting, I can unequivocally say that in most tragic outcomes it is just the lack of education

I understand you measure on your own? Please tell me, and a private paratrooper in droves can be learned to such an extent that would avoid these tragic accidents?

I answer. Measuring uneasy. and on an in-depth analysis of the available information coming to the aviation substation and VTS in the form of special directives explaining the circumstances of the tragedy, the reasons (their cause) and the list of necessary activities that be sure to fulfill (in order to ensure the exclusion of their repetition). "Report on the execution!" [
In addition, to educate Nach. PS and PDS aviation regiments, I had to shovel a lot of specialized literature (links to which [b] I was obliged to give with your learning material). Well, besides this, as you know, I had to try all this on myself (which I did periodically). Something like this.

[Chaldon48]

Human sacrifices are required to begin to introduce useful innovations.