"Three Musketeers": China revealed the tactics of an attacking "battle box"

J-20, J-16 and J-10C in one formation

In China, a training battle was held with the participation of the latest combat aircraft of the country's air force J-20 and its earlier "associates." Some of his shots were published by Chinese media.

Musketeers of the Chinese sky

China's most advanced J-20 stealth fighter jets train as part of a real combat scenario along with powerful J-16 jets and agile J-10Cs

- indicates the Global Times with reference to the PLA Air Force.

Techniques of various types worked together; each model was assigned its own role. As noted, this tactic allows you to organize effective defense of the country's airspace. The exercises involved the J-20, J-16 and J-10C, which have already been dubbed the "three sky musketeers."

If the J-20 is positioned as a completely domestic development, then it should be noted that the J-16 was created on the basis of the Russian Su-30MKK fighter. J-10 is presented as a Chinese answer to Soviet (MiG-29 and Su-27) and American (F-15, F-16) machines.

J-20

According to the patterns of F-35

As you can see from the video, the “battle box” consists of two J-20s, two J-16s and one J-10C. As military expert Fu Qianshao explained, the latest J-20 stealth is more advanced because it uses advanced technologies, including more advanced avionics and AFAR radars. According to him, the J-16, the least secretive of the three types, can openly use the radar during the attack to detect targets and attract the attention of the enemy.

At this time, the "invisible" J-20s are able to hide nearby and launch sudden missile attacks after enemy targets reveal their location, trying to destroy the J-16. The J-10C fighter, equipped with a thrust vectoring engine, must take on close combat thanks to its inherent “super maneuverability”.

In another tactical scenario, the J-20, using its stealth, is tasked with destroying the "strategic nodes of the enemy’s defense," in particular, early warning aircraft [AWACS] and air tankers. Then, “to the eyeballs”, an armed J-16 strikes at the enemy’s ground forces, including mobile radars. At this time, the J-10C provides air dominance.

It should be noted that in general, the American experience is clearly traced in the described tactics of the battle. The US Air Force’s stealth F-35 also plays the role of a “behind-the-scenes” player, while the F-16 or F-18 should provoke a “highlight” of the target that opens when they are detected. When working out the scenario of infrastructure destruction, F-35 fighters are tasked with delivering a lightning strike at enemy air defense centers. After that, earlier missiles loaded with missiles gain air superiority and complete the defeat of the enemy.

#ChinaDefense J-20 fighter jets assigned to an ace unit have been conducting real-combat scenario training as the Chinese Air Force revealed footage for the first time. https://t.co/h2qaFMFSOy pic.twitter.com/HBfNicOXOc

- Global Times (@globaltimesnews) January 20, 2020

Comments

[Vladimir_2U]

It would be strange if the Chinese went their own way. To paraphrase the film: "Everything has already been invented, before us!"

[Magog]

"The Chinese have invented" is almost an anecdote. The same applies to gunpowder, missiles, paper, etc. Tactical techniques in military affairs have always implied the use of distracting, demonstrative, attacking, ... groups, starting with the "ambush regiments" on the Kulikovo field ...

[smart ass]

It doesn’t matter who invented, the result is important

[Usher]

Quote: Magog

"The Chinese have invented" is almost an anecdote. The same applies to gunpowder, missiles, paper, etc. Tactical techniques in military affairs have always implied the use of distracting, demonstrative, attacking, ... groups, starting with the "ambush regiments" on the Kulikovo field ...

And what about the Kulikovo field? Ambush tactics were used much earlier, and this is the main tactics of the steppe peoples.

[Magog]

What reliable historical documents describe the tactics of the "steppe peoples"? And when "much earlier"?

[Usher]

Quote: Magog

What reliable historical documents describe the tactics of the "steppe peoples"? And when "much earlier"?

At least Ramses’s trips to Palestine. They use ambushes. What are you showing off here? Credibility of the head or what? Even if you take closer to the Battle of Kulikovo, then the same battle at Kalka. The classic steppe maneuver, many days luring and exhausting, mock retreat and counterattack. Described in many sources, by the same Rashid Ad Din (I do not remember his exact name). You do not drive any tuff here, do not confuse patriotism with stupidity and obscurantism.

[Magog]

The answer is typical for the "product" of history fak: "Described in many sources", "Don't drive any tuff here", ... There is nothing to talk about.

[Bshkaus]

It would be strange if the Chinese went their own way. To paraphrase the film: "Everything has already been invented, before us!"

You can argue on this topic for as long as you like, and everyone will receive the correct answer only during real battles. Here, as in boxing or karate, the opponent can start swinging with one hand, triggering the opponent's reflex defense mechanism (in our case, setting his own "tactics"), and then sharply striking in another place and not even with a hand, but with an armature.

if the Chinese went their own way.

And this is in vain! There is no place for patterns and patterns in the war; the one who knows how to perform a non-standard act wins.
Understand that the tactics of the Americans are a kind of "BOLT", on which you need to look for your "Thread", and what are the Chinese doing? They take their own workpiece to which the Americans also have a response, and according to the laws of mathematics BOLT divided by BOLT gives us ZERO
But I repeat, the famous formula "speed-altitude-maneuver" was born not on training grounds, but in bloody battles.
PS It is unfortunate that this morning, the comments on the article, which are really connected with the army and very relevant, turned out to be much less than the next suction of Ukraine in the neighboring topics ((((

[Golovan Jack]

Quote: Bshkaus

according to the laws of mathematics, BOLT divided by BOLT gives us ZERO

Mdya ... so a bolt multiplied by zero gives us a bolt?

Interesting math

[Magog]

In mathematics, there is only one "taboo" in division: you cannot divide by "bolt", which is equal to "zero"! And so, "bolt" divided by "bolt" is equal to "one". On the whole, I agree with the reasoning!

[Kuroneko]

Quote: Magog

In mathematics, there is only one "taboo" when dividing: you cannot divide by "bolt", which is "zero"!

Yes, you can divide by zero. The result is simply undetectable and does not make sense in the framework of the classical set theory.

[PSih2097]

Quote: Magog

In mathematics, there is only one "taboo" when dividing: you cannot divide by "bolt", which is "zero"!

Well, it depends on what kind of school you can’t, in MatAn you can ...

[Kleber]

The box in the parades is good, and in a real battle, the SAM will easily find its target.

[voyaka uh]

Korbka is a technique for real battles.
At the parades, everyone flies tightly, closed, beautifully.
----
The ESR of an aircraft is affected in exactly the same way as an explosive rocket and an aircraft radar
the enemy. Radio visibility is a key factor in the air.
SAM will choose a clear target J-16, and foggy J-20 will ignore.

[Magog]

A dense closed formation in flight is not only a grand trick. Several aircraft in such a system on radar screens are displayed as one target. Then the system crumbles, and try to guess where the attacker, distracting, covering, demonstrative, etc. This is the tactical alphabet of air attack.

[voyaka uh]

"Several aircraft in such a formation are displayed on the radar screens as one target" ////
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Long gone. So it was possible to deceive the radar operator in the 70s of the last century.
In the analog era. When the computer did not process the radar information before
screen output. Now the computer will clearly say that several planes are flying.
And say what brand.

[Magog]

I agree with the argument. But it seems that the computer will not help in the case when the range to the target does not allow distinguishing a group or single target: the “computer” receives the angular dimensions of objects from the radar, and this tool may not always allow determining the nature of the target due to the limited resolution of the radar .. It's like a telescope, and a computer won't help if the diameter of the lens doesn't allow you to see the object accurately.

[Mountain shooter]

They came up with a cool idea ... "Invisibles" are in ambush, "coolies" are looming like decoy ducks ... If the "invisibles" are actually invisible. And if not?

[The collective farm]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

This is if the "invisible" are actually invisible. And if not?

We have already seen burning, these "invisible" in Yugoslavia ..

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Cool they came up with ...

It should be noted that in general, the American experience is clearly traced in the described tactics of the battle. The US Air Force’s stealth F-35 also plays the role of a “behind-the-scenes” player, while the F-16 or F-18 should provoke a “highlight” of the target that opens when they are detected.

It seems like they are not. Normally...

[Thrifty]

Yes, the Chinese have once again invented a square wheel. ..

[iouris]

The Chinese invented everything, and the Americans patented everything.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Chinese technology is the best in the world! All go all over to the Chinese auto industry.

[voyaka uh]

Soon have to. China produces about 22 million passenger cars a year.
(USA - 17 million, for comparison). Most Chinese sell to their market, but
quality is growing every year, more and more brands are receiving certificates
in Europe.

[iouris]

However, out of about 70 million cars, about 2/3 are operated by the "golden billion".

[iouris]

Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK

All go all over to the Chinese auto industry.

Who is busy ... They will build their cars for another 10000 years. In the end, all the remaining inhabitants of the Earth will believe that after gunpowder the Chinese invented the car and were the first to go out into space. Human memory is such a strange thing ...

[Mentat]

Quote: voyaka uh

Soon have to. China produces about 22 million passenger cars a year.
(USA - 17 million, for comparison). Most Chinese sell to their market, but
quality is growing every year, more and more brands are receiving certificates
in Europe.

And are they sold there? Not the majority, but the vast majority. China's auto industry works exclusively on the domestic market, drops are coming out.

[Victor March 47]

True tactics. Substituting his old brothers, hiding behind them, revealing the whereabouts of the enemy. A population of almost two billion. Such reserves allow EVERYTHING.

[Sergej1972]

The population is 1 billion 400 million. The figure is gigantic, but, you see, it's not at all "almost two billion."

[avebersek]

What garbage, the main thing this detection is ... And really on the radars there will be a war + EW
AWACS will work + ground defense.

[Victor March 47]

Quote: Sergej1972

The population is 1 billion 400 million. The figure is gigantic, but, you see, it's not at all "almost two billion."

Yes, they can’t be counted there. While you think, there will be so many changes. And the political mood of those who thought ....
Recent laws that DO NOT prevent the growth of the number of children in a family in ten years will surprise everyone.

[lvov_aleksey]

Do not judge, and you will not be judged.
they are great, but they did not fight on several fronts in large numbers.

[Alexey Sommer]

It was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines!) In short.
Hello everyone.)