Work at the Russian Post was offered as an alternative to military service

The Russian Ministry of Labor has prepared a draft order on a new list of professions in which alternative civilian service can be completed instead of military service. The document is posted for public comment on the portal for the publication of draft normative acts.

According to the press service of the Ministry of Labor, the new list proposes to include 122 positions, including professions such as driver and loader, hydrogeologist, tractor driver, medic, locksmith, cook, courier, painter and reindeer herder. Compared with the previous list, the new profession has added the courier, animal husbandry, sailor, boiler operator, setter, doctor-statistician, medical registrar and social work specialist.

The place of alternative service can be chosen by a number of state institutions of social services, health care, education, culture and art, as well as almost any of the territorial departments of the Russian Post from Siberia to the Caucasus.

Under Russian law, male citizens are subject to military conscription. However, the law stipulates that if military service is contrary to the convictions of a citizen, his faith, or if he belongs to a small indigenous people, then instead of military service he can choose an alternative civilian service, the term of which is defined in 21 months with two holidays (18 months in military organizations spheres).

Comments

[WILL]

Well, okay, if convictions do not allow it - pick up a weapon, as an option!
Nurses, postmen, tractor drivers, house painters, Farmers and Reindeer Breeders - the Country also needs!

[bouncyhunter]

Lesha, I can’t resist:

[WILL]

pasha Reindeer breeder for 21 months - not everyone can do it too!

[bouncyhunter]

So there is always a choice.

[atalef]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Lesha, I can’t resist:

or as

[bouncyhunter]

Good example !
Alexander

[Proxima]

Quote: ANIMAL

Well, okay, if convictions don’t allow it, pick up a Weapon,

But did the famous monks of Peresvet and Oslyaby have no convictions? But if you need to defend your Fatherland, mothers and sisters, then they took up arms and fought that any warrior will admire! Ponty is all cheap ...

[GKS 2111]

I do not consider it possible to consider the sacred duty of defending the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to this Fatherland itself, and "pastime in alternative service" equivalent.

[WILL]

Quote: GKS 2111

I do not consider it possible to consider the sacred duty of defending the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to this Fatherland itself, and "pastime in alternative service" equivalent.

You are not writing to me your appeals, but to the State Duma!
I do not need to agitate, I served my own. But what about those who are real Pacifists (for various reasons, someone is mowing) ???

[GKS 2111]

Well, okay, if convictions do not allow it - pick up a weapon, as an option!
Nurses, postmen, tractor drivers, house painters, Farmers and Reindeer Breeders - the Country also needs!
Write your pacifist conclusions to the State Duma, too, and not on the site "Voennoye Obozreniye", where people served, not mail. only kept, skillfully used for its intended purpose when necessary.
This is not you Me write your appeals,
What kind of "We" and so on, so on ...? Majesty mania?

[WILL]

That’s exactly who they didn’t call me - it’s a Pacifist!
As a pacifist, apparently, he served in the Marine Corps of the Black Sea Fleet and dangled on business trips.
Learn history, even in Tsarist times there was a circle of persons - who were not called up for military service. In order not to produce “deviators” this law was issued, the benefit of bringing at least some to the homeland.
I repeat for especially gifted motorized riflemen, there are questions to the legislation - I wrote to you where to turn!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: ANIMAL

Quote: GKS 2111

I do not consider it possible to consider the sacred duty of defending the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to this Fatherland itself, and "pastime in alternative service" equivalent.

You are not writing to me your appeals, but to the State Duma!
I do not need to agitate, I served my own. But what about those who are real Pacifists (for various reasons, someone is mowing) ???

That's right - the country should be served in any

[GKS 2111]

Quote: Krasnodar

That's right - the country should be served in any

This applies to all religious and philosophical views. We who didn’t have it — EVERYTHING performed the duty, but didn’t say — I can’t, I can’t, I’ll go to the post office better, and you yourself somehow ... Countries MUST SERVE EVERYTHING .

[Krasnodar]

Quote: GKS 2111

This applies to all religious and philosophical views. We who didn’t have it — EVERYTHING performed the duty, but didn’t say — I can’t, I can’t, I’ll go to the post office better, and you yourself somehow ... Countries MUST SERVE EVERYTHING .

I agree - however, there are categories of people who will not benefit anyone in an emergency - therefore it is better to serve the country in a different way. As for the USSR - combat-ready and normally prepared there was mainly the Western Group of Soviet Forces and border guards - steel so, therefore it was possible to take anyone and not to lose.

[GKS 2111]

Quote: Krasnodar

the Western Grouping of Soviet Forces and the border guards - steel

I don’t agree. Basically, we were simple motorized rifles, but, I dare to hope, did not yield either paratroopers or specialists in combat skill ... If they lost in anything, then not by much ... They surpassed us at the end of the war, when experience typed ...

[Krasnodar]

So you had a combat experience - specific, but it was. And relevant training standards

[Slavs]

You did not concede to anyone ... Each performed his tasks.

[Slavs]

Quote: Krasnodar

As for the USSR, the Western Grouping of Soviet Forces and border guards there were mainly combat-ready and normally prepared there.

For the border guards - thanks. But where does this analytics come from? And what period of time are we talking about?

[Krasnodar]

It's about the beginning of the 80s. Sources: people who served in the CA at that time. Those who served in the GDR - told one thing, those who served in the RSFSR and the eastern part of the Ukrainian SSR - another. Someone fired 5 rounds before the oath, someone about 1000 in combat arms, and someone was trained normally.

[Slavs]

Well, of course, the GSVG and ZabVO should not be compared ... But it also depended on the local commanders what the personnel will do. You know, on the whole I agree.

[Krasnodar]

If you served in those years, you, of course, know best.

[Slavs]

Right. Each his own)))

[Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o]

Quote: Krasnodar

country should be served by any

I think so too.
I don’t know about pacifism and other isms, but I would have determined the postmen who served in other people's armed forces.

[Krasnodar]

Many of those who served in foreign aircraft will spend this year in their own office - everyone who served, for example, in the IDF, for sure

[Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o]

Quote: Krasnodar

will be held in your own office

It’s great, a bag, an ankle tracking bracelet, four dogs ’beats, and forward the envelopes along the pages. Russian Post needs you, comrades!

[Krasnodar]

Tell this to the founder of your company - perhaps he also served in the IDF, and he will raise you to a courier

[WILL]

[quote = Zoldat_A]
Greetings, Our Wishlist and desires are second. There is a law, constitutional law, art. 59 p 3 - allowing the passage of an alternative service. And the laws need to be fulfilled and period.
The Law will change - We will stick the machines to everyone.
Actually during the hostilities, a lot depends on the rear services - in which this category of citizens is quite capable of serving without taking up arms.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ANIMAL

during the fighting, a lot depends on the rear services

Dmitry Ovcharenko.
https://topwar.ru/144086-dmitriy-ovcharenko-bylinnyy-bogatyr-unichtozhivshiy-toporom-dva-desyatka-fashistov.html
Reviewer ???

With a platoon of such "travel agents" in any priest is not scary ...

[WILL]

Igor, About the feat of Ovcharenko, Dmitry Romanovich - I know perfectly well (and not from the clumsy film Ax made), the True Hero of the Soviet Union! Ovcharenko - Was a Machine Gunner (transferred to sleds by injury) not a Pacifist or a Religious deviator - from the word Absolutely!
I'm talking about the rear services ... Of which there are many - Too lazy to list.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ANIMAL

neither a Pacifist nor a Religious deviator - from the word Absolutely!
I'm talking about the rear services ... Of which there are many - Too lazy to list.

Aleksey Aleksandrovich! So after all, and without rear services, too, is impossible. I have one very good friend - a clean "jacket" - a lavatory. Somehow we got into a conversation with him "almost before a fight." He says to me: "Yes, they stole. But have you and your boys at least once had interruptions with food rations or with ammunition? No. Everything is according to the norms and above the norm. So what questions, why do you call me a thief?" And you can't argue ... What did they steal there - I don't know, that's their business. But it never affected us, our combat effectiveness. On the contrary - for the money the rear operators will get a bobblehead in a gift box.

After that, their tongue does not turn to scold.

And Dmitry Ovcharenko - I said that it SPECIAL messenger. I would use such a platoon of "convoy"

[WILL]

You can just Alex!
There are many such examples, unprepossessing-looking people - they performed incredible feats! Sirotinin Nikolai Vladimirovich - alone stopped the Tank Column, Smishchuk Roman Semenovich - destroyed six tanks in bottles in one battle and withdrew grenades, Kolobanov Zinovy ​​Grigoryevich - destroyed 22 tanks in one Battle! Yes, until morning you can write ... Eternal memory to them!
But there were services about which novels are not written, the service of which was invisible - BUT ARCHIVAL ... cooks, bathhouse attendants, laundresses ... etc.
Pleased to meet you

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: ANIMAL

Pleased to meet you

But there were services about which novels are not written, the service of which was invisible - BUT ARCHIVAL ... cooks, bathhouse attendants, laundresses ... etc.

And where are we, such "combat-ready, shock, assault and absolutely terrible for the enemy" without them? For example, I learned about such "Pipeline Troops" relatively late, far from immediately. And when I found out and thought - what did our BMD-BMP-SAUshki -Nony-Grady drive? And what did the Mi-8 "mother" fly? It is not possible to bring this up with canisters - and someone has to lay the pipeline, someone has to guard it - so that we take "heights", "heroize" and "mothers" fly to us. Therefore, like my father, who has seen WHERE more than me, there are no "unimportant" troops. If they are not in Bashkiria, but in the war.

I have no such thing that "Airborne forces are cool, and the rest are slag." Whoever disagrees, I can argue. All are needed.

Quote: ANIMAL

There are many such examples, unprepossessing-looking people - they performed incredible feats!

I didn’t see it myself, but we CHECKED - a flimsy kid of 68 kg from OBATO was captured, with a chip of some (!!!) he killed two (three ??? - not confirmed) bearded, walked 50 (!) Kilometers in the mountains "not I know where "and accidentally came across our reconnaissance platoon. There were also in my time "Dmitry Ovcharenko" and, I hope, did not disappear. Water - licked stones in the morning. I don't know to devour.
"ZBZ", in my opinion, the boy's well-deserved, and not like the political officers, the "set" - "KZ-ZBZ" ...
Kandahar 88.

[WILL]

Mutually
I also saw similar examples, albeit not as epic as with Ovcharenko, but still. The truth is much later in 1999 - 2001. This is what Russia holds on to.
And as for the Pipeline Troops - You are absolutely right, you can add to them the Railway Troops, very necessary troops - and you can have no business with weapons.
So they decided - where it is possible, in which case, send the Alternatives.

[georggy]

Where does this information come from on the specifics of the troops?

[SOVIET UNION 2]

The autumn military call was marked by a historical event. For the first time in Russian history, a military unit appeared in the Armed Forces, 100% staffed by representatives of sexual minorities. 70% of the personnel were recruited by appeal from young people who tried to use their sexual preferences as a way to evade service.

In a military unit located in Bashkortostan, 1200 conscripts will be serving under the leadership of 64 officers who openly lead a homosexual lifestyle. LGBT people also include medical staff and other civil servants. The Ministry of Defense said that all these efforts are aimed at creating equal opportunities for homosexuals to serve in the army in a comfortable environment.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: SOVIET UNION 2

In a military unit located in Bashkortostan, 1200 conscripts will be serving under the supervision of 64 officers who openly lead a homosexual lifestyle. LGBT people also include medical staff and other civil servants.

Not in vain do I, following my father, always say: "If you don't want normal service, go to the construction battalion in Bashkiria." Coincidence?

And further. I would, for the sake of experiment, I would try to command such a "platoon". PROVIDED. I always wear AKMS. I would sleep with him in my arms. I wouldn’t even put it on the fuse. It’s scary all the same ... But, maybe, at least two or three would have inspired, for what the man’s anus ....

But in general - a disgrace ... A.V. Suvorov crying in a coffin ...

[Lexus]

I do not consider it possible to consider the holy duty to protect the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to be considered equivalent

In this part, I completely agree.
And, in fact, they are looking for who would work almost for free. Previously, they were sent to orderlies, now also to postmen. You look and the convicts will be offered to serve their sentences in the mail. Not a normal salary, after all.

[Zoldat_A]

Work at the Russian Post was offered as an alternative to military service

Why not at Sberbank or Gazprom?

Quote: GKS 2111

I do not consider it possible to consider the sacred duty of defending the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to this Fatherland itself, and "pastime in alternative service" equivalent.

They do not want EVEN YEAR (!) Normally, like men, to serve - let them carry the "duck" in the hospital for 2 years - that's the whole "alternative" ...

Have come, damn it ... The post offices have been turned into supermarkets and pubs, they don't want to pay the postal girls, so let's send the free "hayworms" letters to sort.

Russian Post CEO Dmitry Strashnov said that he legally received the award for 2014 in the amount of 95,4 million rubles.

Of course, what is there to go on, except for "mowers". Let them also start hiring illegal migrant workers, like in hypermarkets and housing departments ...

And further. The oath - for me, at least for my father, grandfather and great-grandfather - not only imposes an honorable duty to protect the Motherland - it is also the Honor shown to you by the Motherland. So those who carry "ducks" in the hospital instead of serving the Motherland are not worthy of this Honor. Do not give them the Oath to take - let it take two years for the monetary allowance of an ordinary.
And then their sons will grow up and ask: "Dad, where did you serve?" And they will answer: "I did not serve anywhere, sonny. I dragged" ducks "in the hospital ..."

Ugh ... Disgusting ...

[Azis]

Quote: Zoldat_A (Alexei, Russian soldier)

I dragged ducks in the hospital ... "

Medical ship commander But this is okay - at least some benefit brings (takes away). And the "scenery installer" ?!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Azis

And the "scenery installer" ?!

And who is this?

[Azis]

Duc in article

Compared to the previous list, professions have been added to the new ...

Type of a liable employee ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Azis

Type of a liable employee ...

Looked ...
A brothel bed installer? Also work ... Maybe also "liable for military service"? So we have no soldier's brothels in the army yet. Unlike "civilized" armies - from the Wehrmacht to the modern US army.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: ANIMAL

Well, okay, if convictions do not allow it - pick up a weapon, as an option!
Nurses, postmen, tractor drivers, house painters, Farmers and Reindeer Breeders - the Country also needs!

Hi!
In Israel, in such cases they are sent to hospitals. But not a nurse - they need to study there for at least two years)) A nurse - a maximum. As for working professions - yes, that's interesting.

[solzh]

Quote: ANIMAL

if persuasion does not allow, pick up a weapon

What kind of beliefs can such be? In what religion?

[Krasnodar]

Greetings! Different Christian denominations, some eastern religions, etc.

[solzh]

Well I do not know. I am not familiar with eastern religions. Are denominations recognized as sects?

[Krasnodar]

Today is a sect, tomorrow (after 300 years) the main direction)).

[solzh]

Quote: Krasnodar

Today is a sect, tomorrow (after 300 years) the main direction)).

Yes, it happens.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Krasnodar

Different Christian denominations, some eastern religions, etc.

My father always taught me "Christian" virtue -

Hit you on the right cheek - hit on the left.

That's the whole "pacifism".

[Krasnodar]

If you hit your left cheek - turn the right one, and when he hits, bend down with a step and the left uppercut into the beard, the right hook in the jaw

[WILL]

I am not an expert in matters of religion, but a little versed in matters of Law. So article 59 p 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states: In the event that the service of the army contradicts the religion of the Citizen, he has the right to replace it with an alternative civilian service.
Offhand it is forbidden to take Weapons from Baptists, Adventists, Pentecostals, Amish (from Christians), from Orthodox Jews, from some areas of Hinduism, and in many Sectarian movements (Jehovah's Witnesses are forbidden in the Russian Federation and many others).

[solzh]

Quote: ANIMAL

Offhand it is forbidden to take Weapons from Baptists, Adventists, Pentecostals, Amish (from Christians), and in many Sectarian movements (Jehovah's Witnesses are prohibited in the Russian Federation and many others).

I get it. In other words, the sectarians.

[Krasnodar]

Orthodox Jews are not forbidden - they simply do not recognize the state of Israel, therefore they do not serve there in the army)).

[GKS 2111]

Miscellaneous. Mormons, Old Believers .. It did not stop us hoping for them on occasion ... Not at all.

[solzh]

Old Believers do not serve? It’s strange. I thought they could serve. Moreover, before the church schism, our ancestors fought so differently with different enemies.

[georggy]

Old Believers served and are serving.

[Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o]

Quote: ANIMAL

Hunters

Animal historians

[GABALIS]

better serve ... (joke)

[cost]

Old Believers do not serve? It’s strange. I thought they could serve.

Yes, and how they served. So for information, in the Republic of Ingushetia more than half of the Cossacks were Old Believers. And my ancestors are the same. This is our family heirloom. The pectoral cross of my great-grandmother’s father, who died near Viju in Manchuria in March 1904, is 1st Volga regiment TKV Burenkova Pyotr Alekseevich

[Kurare]

In many countries, working at the post office is only possible if there are no conflicts with the law. It is a great temptation to pocket a parcel.
So, for ALL refuseniks, this option does not work.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Kurare

It is a great temptation to pocket a parcel.

Theft on the RUSSIAN MAIL is catastrophic. Especially from China. It has manifested itself before, but what is happening now, it’s not comprehensible to the mind !!!!!! In this order, the soldiers will go to the "demobilization" materially secure. The people do not stay there mainly because of for low earnings, which stimulates theft, fighters decided to shut up the problem?

[Kurare]

Quote: Mar. Tira

In this order, the fighters will go to the "demobilization" financially secure.

Thanks, made laugh to tears! It's like the fighters of the invisible front!

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Kurare

Thanks, made laugh to tears! It's like the fighters of the invisible front!

Well, something like that. I have not received three parcels, "lost" on the road. How can I not be angry?

[Kurare]

Quote: Mar. Tira

Why not be evil?

Yes, yes, that is, that is. It's like Galustyan (Gadya Petrovich): "I'm lost ..."!

[Alex_You]

In footcloths from Versace.

[Paranoid50]

When I mowed the coachman in the mail ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Paranoid50

When I mowed the coachman in the mail ...

Where to put +1000?

[Piramidon]

Perhaps one of these alternative postmen has already called me recently. Instead of bringing a notice of the parcel (why wear out the shoes), he called me and told me that the parcel was waiting for me and even "frightened" that its storage period was ending (although there was another 1,5 months in reserve). Fortunately, "Aliexpress" writes the phone number on the package label. In general, I am not offended for such a service. The man guessed how to do it and said. Well, and the way he decided to make his life easier, I consider "rationalization."

[Kuroneko]

Here I will swear a lot.
Well, not much, moderators will not allow much.

In fact, this is an attempt to resuscitate a decaying corpse by force, without changing anything in the most vicious practice and methods of management. Of all the state. Institutions nowhere are things as bad as at the "Post of Russia", which has long ago and completely rightly become the hero of many photojacks, memes and wild, but quite real stories.
Those. We will not change anything, we will simply take recruits according to the principle "where else can they go?" But we do not want to change the bestial working conditions themselves and are not going to. Do normal people want to go to this cesspool? So let the recruits go, hey-hey. We will "embalm" the corpse a little more, perhaps until the end of the presidential term of Putin it will last without significant complaints from this, and then - even a flood.
If anyone thinks I am unsubstantiated - watch, for example, this video (yes, it’s long, but the topic has been explored in its entirety and everything said and shown in it is true, and not someone's ordered chernukha):

[Thrifty]

Have sailed! The army decided to plug all the holes? Instead of returning to the system of vocational schools, and at the same time building for future industry specialists massively new jobs in the country, are people in military uniforms used to imitate the country's economy? ?? Alternative service, alternative economy. ... then an alternative state? ??

[Thrifty]

Stepan, in our time we were preparing for the army, and many didn’t even think to "turn away!" And now everything is the other way around - they are crying, because for a year you need to go to a boarding house called the army! Many of these alternatives are just such mowers, if they do not want to go to the army, do you think that they will work HONESTLY in the post office, in a store, or in an enterprise? ??

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

do you think that they will HONESTLY work

This is what legislators need to think about. Did not work honestly - work an extra year. And so until old age

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

God forbid, you saw the form of official mail of Russia, among older people, especially those over ninety, they can take a shotgun.

[nm76]

Mail okay, figs with her ...
But in the list of alternative duty stations there is a "scenery installer"
Where? Well, probably in the theater!
And which theaters do we have state?
The Bolshoi Theater, and the Central Theater of the Army and Navy.
Is there really a problem with the scene technicians?

There is also a statistician on the list !!!
Without a medical education, an 18-year-old kid will prepare reports for government agencies about the work of a medical institution - with our medicine this is a sure step into the abyss!

[jekasimf]

Urgent conscription service is one of the modern forms of slavery. Why should my son serve in a country where oligarchs, 10% of the population, own 90% of all property? If you want to have security guards, pay a salary. Moreover, in modern conditions, a conscript cannot to become neither an intelligent operator of complex equipment, on an intelligent special forces (infantryman, paratrooper, etc.). Other forms of service are no longer relevant. An infantryman-militia, on the battlefield, will be cannon fodder. With modern technology, he will survive in war and protect the country only professional. And well motivated. I pay taxes to the budget. And these taxes contain all state. MAKHINA. And my son, when he starts working, will also pay taxes. Money does not fall to the budget from the sky. Why should he be frightened out of life for 1 or 2 years? Leave the stories from the USSR "about a real man" to yourself.

[grau]

Better in an ambulance to carry people

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

The army has its own mail. "Feldjegerskaya", and in addition there is a freelance postman in each division.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

The army has its own mail. "Courier"

Chur, chur, anathema !!! Just for a second I presented a thread of a hipster-patient, a "citizen of the world", admitted to the delivery of documentation, for example, of the General Staff.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Paranoid50

Chur, chur, anathema !!! Just for a second I presented a thread of a hipster-patient, a "citizen of the world", admitted to the delivery of documentation, for example, of the General Staff.

Delivers, no doubt! Current General Staff - may confuse! Citizens of the World - they are ... with orientation they have Bad!

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Hunter 2

they are ... with orientation

Yes, the General Staff and the gay club are identical concepts for them.

[District Committee Bureau]

Work at the Russian Post was offered as an alternative to military service

Well now, in general, the parcels will not reach))) Gutting will be with renewed energy ..
Alternative specialists, because these are the children of poor neoliberals .. basically ..
In the taiga, they need to be sent to the Russian Post, from the village to the village on skis with a bag on his belt.
Then I agree!

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

Pensions will lose .

[District Committee Bureau]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

Pensions will lose .

Yes, easily .. you are still "citizens of the world" ..
Neoliberals must dig channels .. "Only this way or let them immigrate (on their own, of course)

[svp67]

Yeah, but the deputies did not offer an alternative to work as a gardener or a security guard, or maybe as a driver? People have to pay good salaries and not what alternative workers will be needed, but the equipment should be raised to the level, otherwise there is a lot of pizza to deliver to those who wish, but mail ... And how much is now generally delivered to people in this way? Certainly not like Marshak's: "At six o'clock he started business, at eight the bag was empty, and by eleven o'clock ..."

[Luty]

Russian Post besides direct mail services: actively trades in any retail small things. MAIL BANK is functioning. Management receives no weak salaries and bonuses. But there is not enough money for the grassroots link.

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Mail Bank and Mail are different structures. There is still much that is missing, although there is some movement in the right direction.

[earthling]

Thank God! It dawned on some that an unloving fool who had grown to the age of 18 could be given arms.

[faterdom]

-Thank you for the service!
-I will serve the Russian Post!

[Phil77]

Yeah. * Served Gavril as a postman,
Gavril was delivering mail ... *
But here’s how to imagine an alternative painter? What’s it for me: I have two * girls * -masters working on my site. Specialists-class!, Without jokes, they can do everything. But one trouble is age, one is already retired and the other is coming soon . So, they know how and can work, and while they work. For now ... But, chuuu! - such a misunderstanding comes into the staff and says: * Under the law on alternative service, I need to work for a year with you *. Question! What about do it?

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Phil77

Yeah. * Served Gavril as a postman,
Gavril was delivering mail ... *
But here’s how to imagine an alternative painter? What’s it for me: I have two * girls * -masters working on my site. Specialists-class!, Without jokes, they can do everything. But one trouble is age, one is already retired and the other is coming soon . So, they know how and can work, and while they work. For now ... But, chuuu! - such a misunderstanding comes into the staff and says: * Under the law on alternative service, I need to work for a year with you *. Question! What about do it?

Wow "Girls" ....
But seriously, the painter will have an alternative service life of 21 months! Excuse me, I don’t know how long it takes to prepare the painter ?!

[Phil77]

Good morning, Aleksey! Yes, these are * girls *, well, what to do? For young workers, the professions somehow do not * sound *. And if it’s the case, as Kotik-Rusich rightly wrote below, * welcome to the construction battalion *! A good house painter can be done in six months, but ... if a person has come to the profession! Do you understand the difference? Respectfully, I.

[Alexander X]

Yes, let them even serve at the post office. If only they didn’t tyril the parcels ... But in general, I think that it’s not a man if he did not serve in the army. So, a sexually mature gibberish ...

"- Can you shoot?
- About the average shooter of the territorial troops.
- Only that? Oh my God! For you young people, this is considered the last thing. You are all stingless bees. You can't defend your hive like that! Here mark my word: someone will come to you for honey, then you will be good! "Jules Verne" The Lost World "

[cat Rusich]

"Beliefs "do not allow to take up arms - welcome to STROYBAT

[Vitas]

An inside look at the work of Russian Post!

[The collective farm]

If these "postmen" are thrown somewhere in the taiga or in the tundra, mail will be delivered on skis and horses for hundreds of kilometers ... Then I agree!

[minus]

I do not want to go into a discussion about the very possibility of an alternative service .... But in this case it is an attempt to solve the personnel problem of FSUE Russian Post inexpensively ... Wow managers should pay good money ... At the same time, there is a huge personnel shortage. Sn at the level of moles, additional requirements for the sale of goods and subscriptions ... A critical shortage of postmen .... It will only get worse ... It’s cheaper to send a package than by mail .... And it will come faster and safer ... Here post manual and marketed it. It would be better if they fought against the loss of items ... And alternative job managers can find other work ...

[IS-80_RVGK2]

Already not FSUE. But basically true.

[Radical]

Quote: ANIMAL

Well, okay, if convictions do not allow it - pick up a weapon, as an option!
Nurses, postmen, tractor drivers, house painters, Farmers and Reindeer Breeders - the Country also needs!

Yeah, and how the scenery installers are needed - the Mausoleum to drape ....

[UA3QHP]

Quote: Minus

But in this case, this is an attempt to inexpensively solve the personnel problem of FSUE Russian Post ...

In general, the State Post is a symbol of the unity of the country. Now it has collapsed.

[Boozer]

In the wipers you need to send all the alternative! It will be cleaner and litter will be less youth after such a service ...