Work at the Russian Post was offered as an alternative to military service

Work at the Russian Post was offered as an alternative to military service

The Russian Ministry of Labor has prepared a draft order on a new list of professions in which alternative civilian service can be completed instead of military service. The document is posted for public comment on the portal for the publication of draft normative acts.


According to the press service of the Ministry of Labor, the new list proposes to include 122 positions, including professions such as driver and loader, hydrogeologist, tractor driver, medic, locksmith, cook, courier, painter and reindeer herder. Compared with the previous list, the new profession has added the courier, animal husbandry, sailor, boiler operator, setter, doctor-statistician, medical registrar and social work specialist.

The place of alternative service can be chosen by a number of state institutions of social services, health care, education, culture and art, as well as almost any of the territorial departments of the Russian Post from Siberia to the Caucasus.

Under Russian law, male citizens are subject to military conscription. However, the law stipulates that if military service is contrary to the convictions of a citizen, his faith, or if he belongs to a small indigenous people, then instead of military service he can choose an alternative civilian service, the term of which is defined in 21 months with two holidays (18 months in military organizations spheres).

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  1. WILL 24 January 2020 17: 29 New
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    Well, okay, if convictions do not allow it - pick up a weapon, as an option!
    Nurses, postmen, tractor drivers, house painters, Farmers and Reindeer Breeders - the Country also needs!
    1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 17: 41 New
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      Lesha, I can’t resist:
      1. WILL 24 January 2020 17: 44 New
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        pasha laughing Reindeer breeder for 21 months - not everyone can do it too! belay
        1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 17: 45 New
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          So there is always a choice. bully
      2. atalef 25 January 2020 10: 08 New
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        Lesha, I can’t resist:

        or as
        1. bouncyhunter 25 January 2020 10: 13 New
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          Good example ! good
          Alexander hi
    2. Proxima 24 January 2020 17: 44 New
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      Quote: ANIMAL
      Well, okay, if convictions don’t allow it, pick up a Weapon,

      But did the famous monks of Peresvet and Oslyaby have no convictions? But if you need to defend your Fatherland, mothers and sisters, then they took up arms and fought that any warrior will admire! Ponty is all cheap ...
    3. GKS 2111 24 January 2020 17: 50 New
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      I do not consider it possible to consider the holy duty to protect the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to this Fatherland itself, and "pastime in alternative service" to be equivalent.
      1. WILL 24 January 2020 18: 09 New
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        Quote: GKS 2111
        I do not consider it possible to consider the holy duty to protect the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to this Fatherland itself, and "pastime in alternative service" to be equivalent.

        You are not writing to me your appeals, but to the State Duma!
        I do not need to agitate, I served my own. But what about those who are real Pacifists (for various reasons, someone is mowing) ???
        1. GKS 2111 24 January 2020 18: 27 New
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          Well, okay, if convictions do not allow it - pick up a weapon, as an option!
          Nurses, postmen, tractor drivers, house painters, Farmers and Reindeer Breeders - the Country also needs!

          Write your pacifist conclusions to the State Duma, and not to the "military review" website, where people served and did not deliver mail. In our motorized rifle unit at the end of the 80s, marmons and old-believers held machines like that in their hands. And not only kept skillfully used as intended when needed.
          This is not you Me write your appeals,
          What kind of "" We, "and other, other ..."? Majesty Mania?
          1. WILL 24 January 2020 18: 35 New
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            That’s exactly who they didn’t call me - it’s a Pacifist! laughing
            As a pacifist, apparently, he served in the Marine Corps of the Black Sea Fleet and dangled on business trips.
            Learn history, even in Tsarist times there was a circle of persons - who were not called up for military service. In order not to produce “deviators” this law was issued, the benefit of bringing at least some to the homeland.
            I repeat for especially gifted motorized riflemen, there are questions to the legislation - I wrote to you where to turn!
        2. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 18: 43 New
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          Quote: ANIMAL
          Quote: GKS 2111
          I do not consider it possible to consider the holy duty to protect the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to this Fatherland itself, and "pastime in alternative service" to be equivalent.

          You are not writing to me your appeals, but to the State Duma!
          I do not need to agitate, I served my own. But what about those who are real Pacifists (for various reasons, someone is mowing) ???

          That's right - the country should be served in any
          1. GKS 2111 24 January 2020 18: 58 New
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            That's right - the country should be served in any

            This applies to all religious and philosophical views. We who didn’t have it — EVERYTHING performed the duty, but didn’t say — I can’t, I can’t, I’ll go to the post office better, and you yourself somehow ... Countries MUST SERVE EVERYTHING .
            1. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 19: 09 New
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              Quote: GKS 2111

              This applies to all religious and philosophical views. We who didn’t have it — EVERYTHING performed the duty, but didn’t say — I can’t, I can’t, I’ll go to the post office better, and you yourself somehow ... Countries MUST SERVE EVERYTHING .

              I agree - however, there are categories of people who will not benefit anyone in an emergency - therefore it is better to serve the country in a different way. As for the USSR - combat-ready and normally prepared there was mainly the Western Group of Soviet Forces and border guards - steel so, therefore it was possible to take anyone and not to lose.
              1. GKS 2111 24 January 2020 20: 45 New
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                Quote: Krasnodar
                the Western Grouping of Soviet Forces and the border guards - steel

                I don’t agree. Basically, we were simple motorized rifles, but, I dare to hope, did not yield either paratroopers or specialists in combat skill ... If they lost in anything, then not by much ... They surpassed us at the end of the war, when experience typed ...
                1. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 20: 50 New
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                  So you had a combat experience - specific, but it was. And relevant training standards
                2. Slavs 24 January 2020 22: 49 New
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                  You did not concede to anyone ... Each performed his tasks.
              2. Slavs 24 January 2020 22: 46 New
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                Quote: Krasnodar
                As for the USSR, the Western Grouping of Soviet Forces and border guards there were mainly combat-ready and normally prepared there.

                For the border guards - thanks. But where does this analytics come from? And what period of time are we talking about?
                1. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 22: 55 New
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                  It's about the beginning of the 80s. Sources: people who served in the CA at that time. Those who served in the GDR - told one thing, those who served in the RSFSR and the eastern part of the Ukrainian SSR - another. Someone fired 5 rounds before the oath, someone about 1000 in combat arms, and someone was trained normally.
                  1. Slavs 24 January 2020 22: 59 New
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                    Well, of course, the GSVG and ZabVO should not be compared ... But it also depended on the local commanders what the personnel will do. You know, on the whole I agree.
                    1. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 23: 03 New
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                      If you served in those years, you, of course, know best.
          2. Slavs 24 January 2020 22: 43 New
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            Right. Each his own)))
          3. Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o 24 January 2020 23: 52 New
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            country should be served by any

            I think so too.
            I don’t know about pacifism and other isms, but I would have determined the postmen who served in other people's armed forces.
            1. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 23: 57 New
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              Many of those who served in foreign aircraft will spend this year in their own office - everyone who served, for example, in the IDF, for sure lol
              1. Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o 25 January 2020 00: 57 New
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                Quote: Krasnodar
                will be held in your own office

                It’s great, a bag, an ankle tracking bracelet, four dogs ’beats, and forward the envelopes along the pages. Russian Post needs you, comrades!
                1. Krasnodar 25 January 2020 01: 06 New
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                  Tell this to the founder of your company - perhaps he also served in the IDF, and he will raise you to a courier hi
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          1. WILL 24 January 2020 21: 46 New
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            [quote = Zoldat_A]
            Greetings, Our Wishlist and desires are second. There is a law, constitutional law, art. 59 p 3 - allowing the passage of an alternative service. And the laws need to be fulfilled and period.
            The Law will change - We will stick the machines to everyone.
            Actually during the hostilities, a lot depends on the rear services - in which this category of citizens is quite capable of serving without taking up arms. hi
            1. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 22: 11 New
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              Quote: ANIMAL
              during the fighting, a lot depends on the rear services

              Dmitry Ovcharenko.
              https://topwar.ru/144086-dmitriy-ovcharenko-bylinnyy-bogatyr-unichtozhivshiy-toporom-dva-desyatka-fashistov.html
              Reviewer ???

              With a platoon of such "messengers" in any ass is not scary ...
              1. WILL 24 January 2020 22: 19 New
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                Igor, About the feat of Ovcharenko, Dmitry Romanovich - I know perfectly well (and not from the clumsy film Ax made), the True Hero of the Soviet Union! Ovcharenko - Was a Machine Gunner (transferred to sleds by injury) not a Pacifist or a Religious deviator - from the word Absolutely!
                I'm talking about the rear services ... Of which there are many - Too lazy to list.
                1. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 22: 52 New
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                  Quote: ANIMAL
                  neither a Pacifist nor a Religious deviator - from the word Absolutely!
                  I'm talking about the rear services ... Of which there are many - Too lazy to list.

                  Алексей Александрович! Так ведь и без тыловиков тоже нельзя. У меня есть один очень хороший знакомый - чистый "пиджак"-тыловик. Как-то разговорились с ним "чуть не до драки". Он мне и говорит: "Да, воровали. Но у тебя и твоих пацанов хоть раз перебои с сухпаем или с боекомплектом были? Нет. Всё по нормам и сверх нормы. Так какие вопросы, почему ты меня называешь вором?" И ведь не поспоришь... Чего они там воровали - не знаю, то их дело. Но на нас, на нашей боеспособности это никогда не отражалось. Наоборот - за деньги тыловики достанут чёрта стриженного в подарочной упаковке.

                  After that, their tongue does not turn to scold.

                  And Dmitry Ovcharenko - I said that it SPECIAL messenger. soldier I would have such a platoon ...
                  1. WILL 24 January 2020 23: 04 New
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                    You can just Alex! hi
                    There are many such examples, unprepossessing-looking people - they performed incredible feats! Sirotinin Nikolai Vladimirovich - alone stopped the Tank Column, Smishchuk Roman Semenovich - destroyed six tanks in bottles in one battle and withdrew grenades, Kolobanov Zinovy ​​Grigoryevich - destroyed 22 tanks in one Battle! Yes, until morning you can write ... Eternal memory to them!
                    But there were services about which novels are not written, the service of which was invisible - BUT ARCHIVAL ... cooks, bathhouse attendants, laundresses ... etc.
                    Pleased to meet you wink
                    1. Zoldat_A 25 January 2020 00: 01 New
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                      Quote: ANIMAL
                      Pleased to meet you

                      drinks
                      But there were services about which novels are not written, the service of which was invisible - BUT ARCHIVAL ... cooks, bathhouse attendants, laundresses ... etc.
                      А куда мы, такие "боеспособные, ударные, штурмовые и совсем для врага страшные" без них? Я, например, относительно поздно, далеко не сразу, узнал о таких "Трубопроводных войсках". А когда узнал и подумал - а на чём ездили наши БМД-БМП-САУшки -Ноны-Грады? А "мама" Ми-8 на чём летала? Канистрами это не подвезти - а трубопровод кто-то должен проложить, кто-то должен охранять - чтобы мы "высоты" брали, "геройствовали" и к нам "мамы" летали. Поэтому у меня, как и у моего отца, который повидал КУДА больше меня - "неважных" войск не бывает. Если они не в Башкирии, а на войне.

                      I don’t have such that "Airborne Forces are cool, and the rest is slag." Who does not agree - I can argue. All are needed.

                      Quote: ANIMAL
                      There are many such examples, unprepossessing-looking people - they performed incredible feats!

                      I didn’t see it myself, but TESTED - the shaky kid 68 kg from OBATO was captured, with a sliver some (!!!) killed two (three ??? - was not confirmed) bearded, walked 50 (!) Kilometers along the mountains "not I know where "and accidentally came across (!) on our reconnaissance platoon. There were also, in my time, “Dmitriy Ovcharenko” and, I hope, were not extinct. Water - licked stones in the morning. Eat - I do not know.
                      "ЗБЗ", по-моему, у пацана заслуженная, а не как у замполитов, "комплект" - "КЗ-ЗБЗ"...
                      Kandahar 88.
                      1. WILL 25 January 2020 00: 57 New
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                        Mutually drinks
                        I also saw similar examples, albeit not as epic as with Ovcharenko, but still. The truth is much later in 1999 - 2001. This is what Russia holds on to.
                        А насчёт Трубопроводных войск - Ты совершенно прав, можно добавить к ним ещё и Железнодорожные войска, очень нужные войска - и с оружием дел можно не иметь.
                        So they decided - where it is possible, in which case, send the Alternatives. yes
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                        Where does this information come from on the specifics of the troops?
        4. SOVIET UNION 2 24 January 2020 22: 17 New
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          The autumn military call was marked by a historical event. For the first time in Russian history, a military unit appeared in the Armed Forces, 100% staffed by representatives of sexual minorities. 70% of the personnel were recruited by appeal from young people who tried to use their sexual preferences as a way to evade service.

          In a military unit located in Bashkortostan, 1200 conscripts will be serving under the leadership of 64 officers who openly lead a homosexual lifestyle. LGBT people also include medical staff and other civil servants. The Ministry of Defense said that all these efforts are aimed at creating equal opportunities for homosexuals to serve in the army in a comfortable environment.
          1. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 23: 01 New
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            Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
            In a military unit located in Bashkortostan, 1200 conscripts will be serving under the supervision of 64 officers who openly lead a homosexual lifestyle. LGBT people also include medical staff and other civil servants.

            Not in vain do I, following my father, always say: "Do not want a normal service - go to the construction battalion in Bashkiria." Coincidence?

            And further. I would, for the sake of experiment, I would try with such a "platoon" to command. PROVIDED. My constant wearing AKMS. I would sleep with him in my arms. I wouldn’t even put it on the fuse. It’s scary all the same ... But, maybe, at least two or three would have inspired, for what the man’s anus ....

            But in general - a disgrace ... A.V. Suvorov crying in a coffin ...
    4. Lexus 24 January 2020 18: 16 New
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      I do not consider it possible to consider the holy duty to protect the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to be considered equivalent

      In this part, I completely agree.
      And, in fact, they are looking for who would work almost for free. Previously, they were sent to orderlies, now also to postmen. You look and the convicts will be offered to serve their sentences in the mail. Not a normal salary, after all. laughing
    5. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 21: 01 New
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      Work at the Russian Post was offered as an alternative to military service

      Why not at Sberbank or Gazprom?
      Quote: GKS 2111
      I do not consider it possible to consider the holy duty to protect the Fatherland with arms in hand after the Oath to this Fatherland itself, and "pastime in alternative service" to be equivalent.

      They don’t want to even serve a year (!), Like men, to serve - let the “ducks” be dragged to the hospital for 2 years - that’s the whole “alternative” ...

      Have come, damn it ... am am Liaison offices were turned into supermarkets and pubs, they don’t want to pay post-maids to girls, so let's send free "mowers" to sort letters.
      The Director General of Russian Post Dmitry Strashnov said that he had legally received a prize for 2014 in the amount of 95,4 million rubles.
      Of course, what is there to go on, except for the "mowers". Let the illegal migrant workers begin to be hired, as in hypermarkets and housing and housing services ... am

      And further. The oath - for me, at least for my father, grandfather and great-grandfather - not only imposes an honorable duty to protect the Motherland - it is also the Honor rendered to you by the Motherland. So those who drag ducks in the hospital instead of serving the Motherland are not worthy of this Honor. Do not give them the Oath to take - let the monetary disgrace be dragged for two years.
      And then their sons will grow up and ask: "Dad, where did you serve?" And they will answer: "I haven’t served anywhere, son. I dragged" ducks "in the hospital ..."

      Ugh ... Disgusting ...
      1. Azis 24 January 2020 22: 16 New
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        Quote: Zoldat_A (Alexei, Russian soldier)
        I dragged the "ducks" in the hospital ... "
        Medical ship commander laughing But that’s okay - it brings (takes away) at least some benefit. A "scenery installer" ?!
        1. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 22: 17 New
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          Quote: Azis
          A "scenery installer" ?!

          And who is this?
          1. Azis 24 January 2020 22: 20 New
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            Duc in article
            Compared to the previous list, professions have been added to the new ...
            Type of a liable employee ...
            1. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 22: 35 New
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              Quote: Azis
              Type of a liable employee ...

              Looked ... repeat
              Brotter bed installer? It’s also a job ... Maybe it’s also "military duty"? So we have not yet provided for soldiers' brothels in the army. In contrast to the "civilized" armies - from the Wehrmacht to the modern US Army.
  2. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 18: 01 New
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    Quote: ANIMAL
    Well, okay, if convictions do not allow it - pick up a weapon, as an option!
    Nurses, postmen, tractor drivers, house painters, Farmers and Reindeer Breeders - the Country also needs!

    Hi!
    In Israel, in such cases they are sent to hospitals. But not a nurse - they need to study there for at least two years)) A nurse - a maximum. As for working professions - yes, that's interesting.
  3. solzh 24 January 2020 18: 59 New
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    Quote: ANIMAL
    if persuasion does not allow, pick up a weapon

    What kind of beliefs can such be? In what religion?
    1. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 19: 11 New
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      Greetings! hi Different Christian denominations, some eastern religions, etc.
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        hi
        Well I do not know. I am not familiar with eastern religions. Are denominations recognized as sects?
        1. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 19: 15 New
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          Today is a sect, tomorrow (after 300 years) the main direction)).
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            Quote: Krasnodar
            Today is a sect, tomorrow (after 300 years) the main direction)).

            laughing
            Yes, it happens.
      2. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 22: 14 New
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        Different Christian denominations, some eastern religions, etc.

        My father always taught me "Christian" virtue -
        Hit you on the right cheek - hit on the left.

        That’s the whole pacifism.
        1. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 22: 42 New
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          If you hit your left cheek - turn the right one, and when he hits, bend down with a step and the left uppercut into the beard, the right hook in the jaw good
    2. WILL 24 January 2020 19: 12 New
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      Я не эксперт в вопросах религии, но немного разбираюсь в вопросах Права. Так статья 59 п 3 Конституции РФ гласит, В случае если вероисповеданию Гражданина противоречит служба в армии, он имеет право на её замену альтернативной гражданской службой.
      На вскидку запрещено брать Оружие у Баптистов, Адвентистов, Пятидесятников, Амишей (из христиан), у ортодоксальных Евреев, у некоторых направлений Индуизма, ну и во многих Сектанских движениях (свидетели Иеговы запрещены в РФ и многих других).
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        Quote: ANIMAL
        Offhand it is forbidden to take Weapons from Baptists, Adventists, Pentecostals, Amish (from Christians), and in many Sectarian movements (Jehovah's Witnesses are prohibited in the Russian Federation and many others).

        I get it. In other words, the sectarians. hi
      2. Krasnodar 24 January 2020 19: 16 New
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        Orthodox Jews are not forbidden - they simply do not recognize the state of Israel, therefore they do not serve there in the army)).
    3. GKS 2111 24 January 2020 19: 16 New
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      Miscellaneous. Mormons, Old Believers .. It did not stop us hoping for them on occasion ... Not at all.
      1. solzh 24 January 2020 19: 18 New
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        Old Believers do not serve? It’s strange. I thought they could serve. Moreover, before the church schism, our ancestors fought so differently with different enemies.
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          Old Believers served and are serving.
  4. Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o 24 January 2020 23: 47 New
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    Quote: ANIMAL
    Hunters

    Animal historians
  • GABALIS 24 January 2020 17: 31 New
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    better serve ... (joke) laughing
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      Old Believers do not serve? It’s strange. I thought they could serve.

      Да еще как служили.Так для сведения, в РИ больше половины казачества были старообрядцами. И мои предки то же. Это наша семейная реликвия.-нательный крест погибшего под г. Виджу в Манчжурии в марте 1904 года отца моей прабабушки ур. 1-ого Волгского полка ТКВ Буренкова Петра Алексеевича
  • Kurare 24 January 2020 17: 38 New
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    In many countries, working at the post office is only possible if there are no conflicts with the law. It is a great temptation to pocket a parcel.
    So, for ALL refuseniks, this option does not work.
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      Quote: Kurare
      It is a great temptation to pocket a parcel.

      The theft on the Russian Post is catastrophic. Especially from China. It has manifested itself before, but what is happening now is not intelligible !!!!!! In this order, the fighters will go to the "demobilization" financially secure. The people do not stay there mostly for low earnings, which stimulates theft, did the fighters decide to shut up the problem?
      1. Kurare 24 January 2020 18: 18 New
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        Quote: Mar. Tira
        In this order, the fighters will go to the "demobilization" financially secure.

        laughing Thanks, made laugh to tears! It's like the fighters of the invisible front!
        1. Mar.Tirah 24 January 2020 18: 34 New
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          Thanks, made laugh to tears! It's like the fighters of the invisible front!

          Well, like that. I haven’t got three packages yet, I’ve gotten lost on the road. How can I not be angry?
          1. Kurare 24 January 2020 18: 36 New
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            Quote: Mar. Tira
            Why not be evil?

            Yes, yes, that is, that is. It’s like Galustyan’s (Gadia Petrovich): “I was lost ...”! belay
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        In footcloths from Versace.
  • Paranoid50 24 January 2020 17: 42 New
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    When I mowed the coachman in the mail ... laughing
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      Quote: Paranoid50
      When I mowed the coachman in the mail ... laughing

      Where to put +1000? good
  • Piramidon 24 January 2020 17: 43 New
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    Perhaps one of such alternatives - postmen has already called me recently. Instead of bringing a notice about the parcel (why wear shoes), he called me and said that the parcel was waiting for me and even “scared” it with an expiration date (although there was another 1,5 months in reserve). Fortunately, "AliExpress" writes the phone number on the package label. In general, I am not offended for such a service. The man figured out how to do and reported. Well, but I think that he decided to make his life easier, "a rational proposal."
  • Kuroneko 24 January 2020 17: 43 New
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    Here I will swear a lot.
    Well, not much, moderators will not allow much.

    In fact, this is an attempt to revive a decaying corpse by force, without changing anything in the most vicious practice and management methods. Of all the state. institutions nowhere are things worse than at the Post of Russia, which has long ago and quite rightly become the hero of many photo-toads, memes and wild, but quite real stories.
    Those. we won’t change anything, we’ll just take the recruits according to the principle “where else should they go?”. But we do not want to change the bestial working conditions and are not going to. Normal people don’t want to go to this cesspool? So let the conscripts go, hey-hey. We’ll “embalm” the corpse a little more, maybe until the end of the presidential term, Putin will hold out without any significant complaints, and there will be at least a flood.
    If anyone thinks I am unsubstantiated - watch, for example, this video (yes, it’s long, but the topic has been explored in its entirety and everything said and shown in it is true, and not someone's ordered chernukha):
  • Thrifty 24 January 2020 17: 48 New
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    Приплыли! Армией решили все дырки затыкать? Вместо возврата к системе профтехучилищ, и заодно и постройки для будущих специалистов промышленности массово новых рабочих мест в стране, человека в военной форме используют для имитации работы экономики страны? ??Альтернотивная служба, альтернотивная экономика. ...потом и альтернотивное государство? ??
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      1. Thrifty 24 January 2020 18: 09 New
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        Степан, в наше время мы готовились к армии, и многие даже не думали "откосить "!Служившего в армии уважали, со мною служил солдат язвенник, когда его коммиссовывали (не знаю как он вообще медкомиссию проходил ) , он просто рыдал! А сейчас все наоборот -рыдают, потому что на год нужно идти в пансионат, именуемый армией! Многие из этих альтернотивщиков именно такие косящие, если они в армию идти не желают, вы думаете, что они будут ЧЕСТНО работать на почте, в магазине, или на предприятии? ??
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          do you think that they will HONESTLY work

          This is what legislators need to think about. Did not work honestly - work an extra year. And so until old age
      2. Ravil_Asnafovich 24 January 2020 18: 53 New
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        God forbid, you saw the form of official mail of Russia, among older people, especially those over ninety, they can take a shotgun.
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  • nm76 24 January 2020 17: 49 New
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    Mail okay, figs with her ...
    But in the list of alternative locations for the service there is a "scenery installer"
    Where? Well, probably in the theater!
    And which theaters do we have state?
    The Bolshoi Theater, and the Central Theater of the Army and Navy.
    Is there really a problem with the scene technicians?

    There is also a statistician on the list !!!
    Without a medical education, an 18-year-old kid will prepare reports for government agencies about the work of a medical institution - with our medicine this is a sure step into the abyss!
  • jekasimf 24 January 2020 18: 11 New
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    Срочная служба по призыву-одна из современных форм рабства.Почему мой сын должен служить в стране,где олигархи,10% населения,владеют 90% всего имущества?Хотите иметь охранников-платите зарплату.Тем более,что в современных условиях,срочник не сможет стать ни толковым оператором сложной техники,на толковым спецназовцем (пехотинцем,десантником и т.п.).Иные формы службы уже не актуальны.Пехотинец-ополченец ,на поле боя,будет пушечным мясом.При современных технологиях выживет в войне и защитит страну только профессионал.При чем хорошо мотивированный.Я плачу налоги в бюджет.И из этих налогов содержится вся гос. маХИна.И мой сын,когда начнет работать,тоже будет платить налоги.Деньги в бюджет с неба не падают.С какого перепугу он должен 1 или 2 года вычеркивать из жизни?Байки из СССР "про настоящего мужчину" оставте себе.
  • grau 24 January 2020 18: 24 New
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    Better in an ambulance to carry people
  • Ravil_Asnafovich 24 January 2020 18: 25 New
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    The army has its own mail. "Courier", and in addition in each unit there is a non-standard postman.
    1. Paranoid50 24 January 2020 23: 22 New
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      The army has its own mail. "Courier"

      Chur, chur, anathema !!! am laughing Just for a second he introduced a thread of a hipster patient, a “citizen of the world”, who was admitted to the delivery of documentation, for example, of the General Staff. fellow wassat
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        Quote: Paranoid50

        Chur, chur, anathema !!! am laughing Just for a second he introduced a thread of a hipster patient, a “citizen of the world”, who was admitted to the delivery of documentation, for example, of the General Staff. fellow wassat

        Delivers, no doubt! Current General Staff - may confuse! am Citizens of the World - they are ... with orientation laughing they have Bad! hi
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          they are ... with orientation

          Yes, the General Staff and the gay club are identical concepts for them. yes hi
  • District Committee Bureau 24 January 2020 18: 30 New
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    Work at the Russian Post was offered as an alternative to military service

    Well now, in general, the parcels will not reach))) Gutting will be with renewed energy ..
    Alternative specialists, because these are the children of poor neoliberals .. basically ..
    In the taiga, they need to be sent to the Russian Post, from the village to the village on skis with a bag on his belt.
    Then I agree! wassat
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      Pensions will lose hi.
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        Pensions will lose hi.

        Yes, easily ..there are also "citizens of the world" .. wink
        Neoliberals, must dig channels .. "The only way or let them immigrate (under their own power of course) negative
  • svp67 24 January 2020 19: 09 New
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    Yeah, but the deputies didn’t offer an alternative to work as a gardener or security guard, or maybe the driver at home? Good salaries need to be paid to people, and not some alternative people will be needed, but the equipment should be raised to the level, and then there are plenty of people who want to deliver pizza, but mail ... And how much is it now delivered to people like this? Certainly not like Marshak’s: “At six o’clock he started the business, at eight the bag was empty, and at eleven o’clock ...”
  • Luty 24 January 2020 19: 13 New
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    Почта России кроме непосредственно почтовых услуг : активно торгует всякой розничной мелочевкой. Функционирует ПОЧТА БАНК. Руководство получает не слабые оклады и бонусы. А вот на низовое звено денег не хватает.
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      Mail Bank and Mail are different structures. There is still much that is missing, although there is some movement in the right direction.
  • earthling 24 January 2020 19: 21 New
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    Thank God! It dawned on some that an unloving fool who had grown to the age of 18 could be given arms.
  • faterdom 24 January 2020 19: 55 New
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    -Thank you for the service!
    -I will serve the Russian Post!
  • Phil77 24 January 2020 21: 14 New
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    Yeah. * Served Gavril as a postman,
    Gavril was delivering mail ... *
    But here’s how to imagine an alternative painter? What’s it for me: I have two * girls * -masters working on my site. Specialists-class!, Without jokes, they can do everything. But one trouble is age, one is already retired and the other is coming soon . So, they know how and can work, and while they work. For now ... But, chuuu! - such a misunderstanding comes into the staff and says: * Under the law on alternative service, I need to work for a year with you *. Question! What about do it?
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      Yeah. * Served Gavril as a postman,
      Gavril was delivering mail ... *
      But here’s how to imagine an alternative painter? What’s it for me: I have two * girls * -masters working on my site. Specialists-class!, Without jokes, they can do everything. But one trouble is age, one is already retired and the other is coming soon . So, they know how and can work, and while they work. For now ... But, chuuu! - such a misunderstanding comes into the staff and says: * Under the law on alternative service, I need to work for a year with you *. Question! What about do it?

      Wow "Girls" .... belay
      But seriously, the painter will have an alternative service life of 21 months! Excuse me, I don’t know how long it takes to prepare the painter ?! request
      1. Phil77 25 January 2020 05: 43 New
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        Good morning, Aleksey! Yes, these are * girls *, well, what to do? For young workers, the professions somehow do not * sound *. And if it’s the case, as Kotik-Rusich rightly wrote below, * welcome to the construction battalion *! A good house painter can be done in six months, but ... if a person has come to the profession! Do you understand the difference? Respectfully, I.
  • Alexander X 24 January 2020 22: 11 New
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    Yes, let them even serve at the post office. If only they didn’t tyril the parcels ... But in general, I think that it’s not a man if he did not serve in the army. So, a sexually mature gibberish ...

    "- Do you know how to shoot?
    - About the average shooter of the territorial troops.
    - Only that? Oh my God! For you young people, this is considered the last thing. All of you bees without a sting. So do not defend your hive! Here, remember my word: someone will come to you for honey, then you will be good! "Jules Verne" The Lost World "
  • cat Rusich 24 January 2020 23: 42 New
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    "Beliefs sad "they don’t allow picking up weapons - welcome to STROYBAT soldier
  • Vitas 25 January 2020 03: 26 New
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    A look at the work of Russian Post from the inside!
  • The collective farm 25 January 2020 07: 24 New
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    If these "mailers" are abandoned somewhere in the taiga or in the tundra, post mail on skis and horses for hundreds of km .. Then I agree! laughing
  • minus 25 January 2020 09: 58 New
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    I do not want to go into a discussion about the very possibility of an alternative service .... But in this case it is an attempt to solve the personnel problem of FSUE Russian Post inexpensively ... Wow managers should pay good money ... At the same time, there is a huge personnel shortage. Sn at the level of moles, additional requirements for the sale of goods and subscriptions ... A critical shortage of postmen .... It will only get worse ... It’s cheaper to send a package than by mail .... And it will come faster and safer ... Here post manual and marketed it. It would be better if they fought against the loss of items ... And alternative job managers can find other work ...
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      Already not FSUE. But basically true.
  • Radikal 25 January 2020 19: 55 New
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    Well, okay, if convictions do not allow it - pick up a weapon, as an option!
    Nurses, postmen, tractor drivers, house painters, Farmers and Reindeer Breeders - the Country also needs!

    Yeah, and how the scenery installers are needed - the Mausoleum to drape .... sad
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    But in this case, this is an attempt to inexpensively solve the personnel problem of FSUE Russian Post ...

    In general, the State Post is a symbol of the unity of the country. Now it has collapsed.
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    In the wipers you need to send all the alternative! It will be cleaner and litter will be less youth after such a service ...