The details of the development strategy of the electronic industry of the Russian Federation until 2030 were announced


In the course of the week, the official government portal published a document that announced the approval of the development strategy of the electronic industry of the Russian Federation for the period until 2030.


The document notes that the goal of the new strategy is to create a competitive industry based on the development of scientific, technical and human potential. At the same time, the warning section contains the warning word “optimization”. Caution is associated with the fact that usually under optimization they try to hide reductions, mergers, mergers and cuts.

In this case, optimization should, as experts say, be directed exactly the opposite: the creation of new technologies, jobs, improving the regulatory framework. All this ultimately, according to the strategy, should lead to the satisfaction of Russia's needs in modern electronics.

The document itself was not born by chance. Today, even a person far from the world of science and technology is aware that our country is overly dependent on foreign components in the field of electronics. And this despite the fact that the country carries out import substitution in other sectors. To resolve this situation, including reducing the dependence on electronic imports, it was decided to give the course a whole strategy.

Details and targets in the government document are announced. By 2030, it is planned that the share of civilian products in the total industrial production in terms of revenue will be at least 87,9%, for domestic electronic products in the general domestic market in terms of revenue - 59,1%. The ambitious goals of export volumes by 2030 are over $ 12 billion.

The implementation of the strategy begins this year with work to increase the share of domestic electronics in the domestic market. The main emphasis, experts say, will initially be made to ensure that defense industry enterprises increase the share of civilian output in the field of electronics.
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  1. Vladimir_2U 24 January 2020 11: 49 New
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    I want to believe in the good, I dream of a Russian smartphone to nap, in life. )))
    1. Thrifty 24 January 2020 11: 52 New
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      Vladimir 2U - to believe, and even more than that, no one has the right to ban you! You can even hope. ...
      1. Vladimir_2U 24 January 2020 11: 53 New
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        Moreover, we have freedom of religion. lol
      2. Chaldon48 24 January 2020 12: 10 New
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        Faith, Hope, and Love, here are three guiding stars for the soul of a Russian person.
    2. Pessimist22 24 January 2020 11: 55 New
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      About some kind of Yotafon they talked a lot, even showed who saw him? smile
      1. Vladimir_2U 24 January 2020 11: 58 New
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        According to rumors it was even turned on! The legendary thing!
        1. Svarog 24 January 2020 13: 35 New
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          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          According to rumors it was even turned on! The legendary thing!

          I even wanted to buy it .. came to the salon, and the seller says to me .. that this should not be done .. because it is heated terribly, it is incredibly slow and the price tag is creepy ..
          1. Lexus 25 January 2020 07: 23 New
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            I even wanted to buy it .. came to the salon, and the seller says to me .. that this should not be done .. because it is heated terribly, it is incredibly slow and the price tag is creepy ..

            Wrong competitors were catching up.
      2. reservist 24 January 2020 12: 01 New
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        enough to find out the price tag on it ...
      3. Svetlana 24 January 2020 14: 28 New
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        [Shrugging] On sale is. Buy it and it will be in your hands.
      4. Fikys 24 January 2020 14: 39 New
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        My wife had two years until he crashed. The device turned out to be quite good, by the way, the only serious drawback was that the battery did not last long, every night it was necessary to charge. Took after the hype, inexpensively, just 8kr.
        1. Alf
          Alf 24 January 2020 22: 26 New
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          Quote: Fikys
          Nice, by the way, the device turned out to be,

          And what was Russian about him?
          1. Fikys 25 January 2020 14: 43 New
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            Quote: Alf
            And what was Russian about him?

            I do not know. I did not take it because of its origin, but because at that time the price-quality ratio was the best, and also because of the second screen, to read books.
            1. Alf
              Alf 25 January 2020 21: 53 New
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              Quote: Fikys
              Quote: Alf
              And what was Russian about him?

              I do not know. I did not take it because of its origin, but because at that time the price-quality ratio was the best, and also because of the second screen, to read books.

              If my memory serves me right, there were two things Russian in a yutafon — a box and a price. Everything else is on the principle of With the world a thread.
              1. ccsr 26 January 2020 11: 37 New
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                Quote: Alf
                If my memory serves me right, there were two things Russian in a yutafon — a box and a price. Everything else is on the principle of With the world a thread.

                In the best Volvo trucks in the world, only 20% of components are produced in Sweden, and everything else is brought from Southeast Asia and other countries where production is cheap. So, the principle of "taking the lead" is used by all corporations, and you should not be afraid of this for the production of household goods. As far as I know, Samsung, the world's largest manufacturer of televisions and monitors, has long opened a plant in the Kaluga Region.
                Today, the factory produces 100% of all TVs sold in Russia, as well as monitors and washing machines under the Samsung brand.
                Samsung's factory complex in the Kaluga Region includes a finished product assembly workshop, a printed circuit board and microcircuit manufacturing workshop, and a thermoplastic molding workshop. The complex also has a main warehouse center for all Samsung products imported into Russia.
                The main assembly workshop includes 8 assembly lines for TVs and monitors Full HD, UHD 4K, as well as televisions with a QLED TV quantum dot display. In total, the plant produces over 100 models of television equipment, including Curved TVs and monitors with a curved screen; TV lineup is updated annually. During the period of high production plans (September - November), the main assembly workshop produces up to 16 units of television equipment per shift.

                I don’t know if I need to suffer from this, but I think that because of this, our prices for this equipment are lower than in other countries.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 26 January 2020 21: 55 New
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  Samsung's factory complex in the Kaluga Region includes a finished product assembly workshop, a printed circuit board and microcircuit manufacturing workshop, and a thermoplastic molding workshop.

                  And where does the heart of the matrix system come from?
                  1. ccsr 27 January 2020 13: 38 New
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                    Quote: Alf
                    And where does the heart of the matrix system come from?

                    From here:
                    Samsung
                    At the moment, this Korean company is the largest manufacturer of matrices of any type and is not going to leave the leader’s laurels so easily.
                    The corporation has more than a dozen of its own factories, including those with the eighth generation processes, which are dispersed in South Korea and China.
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 27 January 2020 20: 22 New
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                      Quote: ccsr
                      Quote: Alf
                      And where does the heart of the matrix system come from?

                      From here:
                      Samsung
                      At the moment, this Korean company is the largest manufacturer of matrices of any type and is not going to leave the leader’s laurels so easily.
                      The corporation has more than a dozen of its own factories, including those with the eighth generation processes, which are dispersed in South Korea and China.

                      So I’m talking about that, the most important thing is brought.
      5. Alex_Rarog 24 January 2020 15: 54 New
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        Even felt laughing really good machine.
    3. reservist 24 January 2020 11: 58 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      ... I dream of naming a Russian smartphone in life.

      I would like to make a mistake, but ...
    4. astepanov 24 January 2020 12: 26 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I dream to nurse the Russian smartphone, during life. )))

      Yes, yes, and that there was a large baby, a keel for four at least.
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I want to believe in good

      I am also convinced that a bright tomorrow awaits us. But will it wait?
      They say that they can immediately send two to a breakthrough: Mutko and Rogozin. And then a brighter future will not run away from us anywhere.
      1. businessv 24 January 2020 12: 38 New
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        Quote: astepanov
        They say that they can immediately send two to a breakthrough: Mutko and Rogozin. And then a brighter future will not run away from us anywhere.

        laughing Maybe repeatedly tested frames? Chubais for example! He alone will definitely do everything quickly and for a ruble!
        1. Dimy4 24 January 2020 13: 35 New
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          laughing Can repeatedly checked frames? Chubais for example! He alone will definitely do everything quickly and for a ruble!

          With this uh, citizen, if we trust him with electronics, let's move on to wooden computers. Well, or the maximum for the "iron Felix"
    5. Irokez 24 January 2020 12: 36 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I dream to bring the Russian smartphone

      But is the iPhone the main priority in the development of electronics? Not guys, it’s not so fast, but the main thing is the electronic base of components, processors and everything else revolving around this and especially for space and military. And then, by the residual principle, maybe citizen will come which will please and satisfy everyone.
      1. alexmach 24 January 2020 14: 43 New
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        But is the iPhone the main priority in the development of electronics?

        You don’t need to write these nonsense, read at least the article you are commenting on.
        And then, according to the residual principle, maybe a citizen will come

        This does not happen. Without civilian products, there simply will not be enough volumes to load enterprises, I am already silent about the fact that we would build something or create production ...
        Tank production begins with mass agricultural engineering and without it it simply cannot exist in a vacuum.
      2. ccsr 24 January 2020 18: 33 New
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        Quote: Irokez
        But is the iPhone the main priority in the development of electronics?

        The question is absolutely correctly posed, but they do not notice it.

        Quote: Irokez
        Not guys, it’s not so fast, but the main thing is the electronic base of components, processors and everything else revolving around this and especially for space and military.

        Indeed, this is too long a process, it will not work quickly.

        Quote: Irokez
        And then, according to the residual principle, maybe a citizen will come who will delight and satisfy everyone.

        I think this will never happen, because even if we invest heavily and get the best components, no one in the world will buy them from us, so investing in the development of consumer goods is an absolutely stupid undertaking. This question was raised twenty years ago, and then they offered to invest $ 25-20 billion in the latest developments in order to overtake the largest manufacturers of components, but immediately realized that we would never pay back these investments. So how much they decided to focus only on military development, and for everything else, use components from different manufacturers, including Taiwan. So we need to take this calmly, taking into account the sanctions and the opposition that the West is giving us, and not to panic about this.
        1. hermit 24 January 2020 21: 31 New
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          Reasoning of this kind is a repetition of the aporia of Zeno, according to which Achilles can never catch a turtle. But the aporia of Zeno is sophism. Those. false statement. There are examples of Japan, South Korea, China and the same USSR, which refute such reasoning. And if these gentlemen like hydrocarbons more, then yes, they will never catch anyone.
          1. ccsr 25 January 2020 11: 01 New
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            Quote: hermit
            Reasoning of this kind is a repetition of the aporia of Zeno, according to which Achilles can never catch a turtle.

            These considerations are based on knowledge of the world market and a Marxist understanding of the division of labor in a developed society.
            Quote: hermit
            Those. false statement.

            It is interesting to know what? You do not blame 98% of the countries of the world for not creating spacecraft, their delivery vehicles into orbit, and floating nuclear power plants. I don’t even mention weapons - so what is the falsity of the world division of labor?
            Quote: hermit
            There are examples of Japan, South Korea, China and the same USSR, which refute such reasoning.

            There are examples when a country occupies a certain niche in a certain industry and does not concede leadership for many years. For example, the simplest example is that Japan has long been a leader in the manufacture of watches, but lost to small Switzerland because it chose the wrong orientation and missed the trend that watches will become a luxury item and the “mechanics” are in great demand. But I did not hear that in Japan on every corner they cried that they have to buy Swiss watches, as well as European passenger cars, which are in high demand there.
            Quote: hermit
            And if these gentlemen like hydrocarbons more,

            Why not make money on them, even if the Americans do not disdain this?
            1. hermit 25 January 2020 12: 54 New
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              The benefits of the international division of labor were not written by Marx, but by Adam Smith in the XNUMXth century. This is an axiom of a liberal approach to economics. But if his theory were true, then England would still be the only industrialized country in the world. I would export industrial products and import raw materials. But this is not so. Marx wrote about the inevitability of a change in socio-economic formations. Therefore, other countries of Western Europe, and Russia, and Japan, and China, and the USA went along the path of England. Those. began to develop industry. True, each country has its own characteristics. And what the capitalists had to do in Western Europe and the USA, the Communists had to deal with in the USSR and China, due to the initial backwardness of these countries. Roughly speaking, throughout its history the USSR has only done what it tried to catch up with the West. But at some point he preferred to capitulate and fit into the world economy as a raw materials appendage, rather than fight for a worthy place in the world market, as China does. Electronics is not profitable? Tell the Chinese about it. Ten years ago, no one heard about Chinese mobile phones. And soon, it seems, there will be no others left. All countries have different opportunities. Guinea-Bissau is unlikely to create spacecraft. But we are talking about Russia, right? I agree that under the current government no technological breakthrough is possible. But this is a political problem, not an economic one. As for hydrocarbons, you won’t earn much on them. This is a very low value-added product. Yes, Americans earn. But they do not only earn on hydrocarbons.
              1. ccsr 25 January 2020 17: 40 New
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                Quote: hermit
                The benefits of the international division of labor were not written by Marx, but by Adam Smith in the XNUMXth century. This is an axiom of a liberal approach to economics.

                Perhaps you just did not study Marxism:
                Encyclopedia of Marxism
                “... The division of labor,” wrote Marx and Engels, “also gives us the first example of the fact that while people are in a spontaneously formed society, there is, therefore, a gap between private and general interest, while, therefore, the division of activity is not voluntary , and spontaneously, a person’s own activity becomes alien to him, opposing him with a force that oppresses him, instead of dominating him ”

                It doesn’t matter whose axiom this is, but this separation exists, regardless of one’s views.
                Quote: hermit
                Roughly speaking, throughout its history the USSR has only done what it tried to catch up with the West.

                What you want to prove by this I do not know, but the fact that the West constantly stole many achievements from us was especially well manifested during the collapse of the USSR. I don’t see something criminal here - this is a common practice, known as industrial espionage, and it began in ancient times.
                Quote: hermit
                Electronics is not profitable? Tell the Chinese about it.

                Very profitable, especially when one and a half billion consumers domestically. Do you know that the number of different gadgets inside China is greater than in the United States, or that they have already overtaken the Americans in terms of the number of cars produced? We do not have such an internal resource, which is why we need specialization in certain areas.
                Quote: hermit
                I agree that under the current government no technological breakthrough is possible.

                I did not say that. Yes, and your conclusion is incorrect - we cannot lead in six hundred out of a thousand technologies that determine the level of development of mankind, as it was in the USSR, but we can be leaders in a number of industries that guarantee us the country's security and an acceptable level of development of the rest of society.
                Quote: hermit
                As for hydrocarbons, you won’t earn much on them. This is a very low value-added product.

                These truths have long been known, but we are no longer 286 million, but in two less, and there are not enough workers for everything. So you have to sacrifice something, sadly. I see no reason to sprinkle ash on my head from this because the problem is different - how to return to the people the income from the extraction of natural resources, this is the main task for us.
                1. hermit 25 January 2020 22: 51 New
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                  The division of labor and the international division of labor are not the same thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%B1%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8E%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0 % B5_% D0% BF% D1% 80% D0% B5% D0% B8% D0% BC% D1% 83% D1% 89% D0% B5% D1% 81% D1% 82% D0% B2% D0% BE As for everything else, we need a second socialist revolution. Then the USSR will recover. Otherwise, they are doomed to vegetation. And money from the extraction of natural resources, no matter how you divide it, there’s not enough for everything and for everyone ..
                  1. ccsr 26 January 2020 11: 20 New
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                    Quote: hermit
                    The division of labor and the international division of labor are not the same thing.

                    But the essence of the word "separation" you hope you will not deny? Should I reckon with him or not?
                    Quote: hermit
                    As for everything else, we need a second socialist revolution.

                    You can’t argue with this - I agree with you.
                    Quote: hermit
                    And money from the extraction of natural resources, no matter how you divide it, there’s not enough for everything and for everyone ..

                    I think the question is not so much in sharing, but in how to direct profits to our internal problems of the whole society, and not to yachts and palaces of Abromovic.
              2. Kazbek 25 January 2020 20: 40 New
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                Without "this power," no way? It seems that the power has already changed. Not?
              3. Alf
                Alf 25 January 2020 21: 58 New
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                Quote: hermit
                Ten years ago, no one heard about Chinese mobile phones. And soon, it seems, there will be no others left.

                After the war, the Americans laughed over the Japanese cars until you drop, but where is the American auto industry now and what do ordinary Americans drive?
        2. Alf
          Alf 24 January 2020 22: 28 New
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          Quote: ccsr
          I think this will never happen, because even if we invest heavily and get the best components, no one in the world will buy them from us, so investing in the development of consumer goods is an absolutely stupid undertaking.

          But for this, you need to have a sales market in the form of CMEA.
          1. ccsr 25 January 2020 11: 09 New
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            But for this, you need to have a sales market in the form of CMEA.

            Yes, it was then that we could take a breakthrough in this direction. And now we simply will not be allowed to sell our electronics on world markets - the example of our gas pipeline has proved this best. Even the obvious gain in the purchase of our gas, European countries ignore for the sake of politics. It is easy to imagine what would happen if we began to offer them our electronics, even in terms of components. For example, we have the world's best Be-200 amphibious aircraft, and fires are raging all over the world. And where is the niche amphibian? We got to the point that our plane is leased from American companies during fires, but just do not buy it from us. And here, some people think that they will let us squeeze Taiwanese or Chinese companies on the component market - dreamers ....
            1. Alf
              Alf 25 January 2020 21: 55 New
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              Quote: ccsr
              Yes, it was then that we could take a breakthrough in this direction. And now we simply will not be allowed to sell our electronics on world markets - the example of our gas pipeline has proved this best.

              Moreover, interestingly, those at the top shouting about the inaccessibility of sales markets for our goods, the CMEA themselves were falling apart.
              1. ccsr 26 January 2020 11: 15 New
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                Quote: Alf
                those at the top shouting about the inaccessibility of sales markets for our goods, the CMEA themselves were falling apart.

                Those who are now talking about this, during the CMEA, generally did not play any role in governing the country. So you should not ascribe to them what they had nothing to do with.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 26 January 2020 21: 53 New
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                  Quote: ccsr
                  Quote: Alf
                  those at the top shouting about the inaccessibility of sales markets for our goods, the CMEA themselves were falling apart.

                  Those who are now talking about this, during the CMEA, generally did not play any role in governing the country. So you should not ascribe to them what they had nothing to do with.

                  Comecon collapsed with the USSR. The collapse of the CMEA is a consequence of the collapse of the USSR. Those who ruined the USSR so far in power, before they were in sight, now they rule because of the throne.
    6. businessv 24 January 2020 12: 36 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I want to believe in the good, I dream of a Russian smartphone to nap, in life. )))
      With both hands in favor, colleague! I want to see my electronics again! But in order not to experience much disappointment, let's recall how the Strategy for Socio-Economic Development of Russia 2020, adopted on November 17, 2008, ended (or rather, will end in a year). Nothing but a change of government in the last reporting year. Although, also a positivist! repeat
      1. reservist 24 January 2020 13: 25 New
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        ... let's remember ...

        here for some reason I remembered the more "fresh" news ...
        1. Samaritan 24 January 2020 14: 00 New
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          here for some reason I remembered the more "fresh" news ...

          Let's be literate and objective!
          I will give the full text from the article by the President "Russia is focusing - challenges that we must answer" http://www.izvestia.ru/news/511884

          Over the next 10 years, 10 – 11 million young people will enter the economy, of which 8 – 9 million will have a higher education. Already today, 5 million people with higher education are not satisfied with the salary, but also with the nature of their work, lack of prospects in the labor market. Another 2 – 3 million - specialists of public institutions who want to find a new job. In addition, 10 million people are employed in industries built on archaic, backward technologies. Such technologies should be a thing of the past - and not only because they lose out on the market. Some of them are simply dangerous for the health of workers and for environmental well-being.
          So creating 25 million new, high-tech, well-paid jobs for people with a high level of education is not a beautiful phrase. This is a must, a minimum level of sufficiency. Around the solution of this nationwide task it is necessary to build a state policy, consolidate the efforts of business, create the best business climate.
          EEE No matter what you have ...
          1. reservist 24 January 2020 18: 11 New
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            Yes, I agree, when “taking notes” part of the information was lost and even agree that it was distorted, but the common sense of both “interpretations” of the President’s message to the Federal Assembly coincides strangely enough - 25 million high-tech jobs must be created in a very short time.
            Let, not in the "additives", but to replace the old, but create new jobs.
            The deadlines have passed, of course, the whole country is not visible from my “bell tower”, but during this time in those organizations / companies where and with whom I worked, the number of jobs (even just workers, not just high-tech ones) didn’t grow , but declining.
        2. businessv 24 January 2020 20: 59 New
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          Quote: reservist
          here for some reason I remembered the more "fresh" news ...

          good this is from the same Strategy 2020, colleague! smile
        3. Alf
          Alf 24 January 2020 22: 30 New
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          Quote: reservist
          here for some reason I remembered the more "fresh" news ...

          So they will catch the self-employed and press them to the cash register, that’s all 25 million jobs will appear. As they say, follow the movement of the hand ..
          By the way, an advertisement about how well and need freelancers to pay taxes has already begun on zomboyaschik. Female artists are happy to tell how they registered as NW and how they felt calm and easy after that.
          It reminds me of fairy tales about grandmothers who, at the age of 70, began to work on computers and jump with parachutes.
    7. bk316 24 January 2020 12: 43 New
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      I want to believe in the good, I dream of a Russian smartphone to nap, in life. )))

      Here in front of me on the table there is an iota-phon, and next to Yandex-phone is a telephone like a telephone, it is quite possible to use it. I certainly need him for work, but I have about the same mine - really a Chinese laughing
      1. Starover_Z 24 January 2020 13: 15 New
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        Quote: bk316
        I want to believe in the good, I dream of a Russian smartphone to nap, in life. )))

        Here in front of me on the table there is an iota-phon, and next to Yandex-phone is a telephone like a telephone, it is quite possible to use it. I certainly need him for work, but I have about the same mine - really a Chinese laughing

        YotaPhone, unfortunately a few years ago, was sold to the Chinese ... So, without clinking glasses ...
      2. minus 25 January 2020 09: 08 New
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        If the etaphone can be called a Russian development with a huge stretch .... Then rubbish from Yandex is a ready-made Chinese device, of Chinese development. Only programs from Yandex are installed .... Enterprises cannot offer anything normal even with the use of foreign elemental base and production. I mean large enterprises ... The only normal product that I saw was a square transceiver san sdr. The developers are our enthusiasts, production in Asia .... San SDR, san SDR 2 dx, mb1 transceiver - some of the best amateur transceivers of the sq range! As for our military electronics, you have to use many components of an Asian assembly of low quality .... Well, for example, we don’t have any normal ADCs of our own production .... And for example, access to microcircuits from the same analog device is closed by sanctions .... The electronic industry of Russia in a deep rectangular potential .... well ... ADC, multipliers, vector modulators / demodulators ... All this we do not have ...
      3. minus 25 January 2020 09: 29 New
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        Here is a foreign-made emergency buoy .... And here is our bottlenose buoy ... tens of times the difference in size and weight .... There are a lot of microchips and batteries in our .... Foreign on a couple of microchips. Products included in the maritime register are very expensive. Only foreigners make a profit at low cost, but ours cannot .... Although they also lift up the cost of equipment by 5-10 times in comparison with similar equipment, but not included in the marine register ...
        R..S. I can’t upload my photos. Although it may be for the better)))) And then they will attract the filling of the Afalina buoy for photos! : laughing
        PPS And how now can I upload my file from the phone to the site?
    8. Tiksi-3 24 January 2020 12: 43 New
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I dream to nurse the Russian smartphone, during life.

      will you transfer from Solaris to viburnum? .... already have our smartphones ..... - change your gadget!
      1. lucul 24 January 2020 14: 15 New
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        will you transfer from Solaris to viburnum ?.

        And why is Solaris better than Vesta? )))
        We in Minsk -Vesta sells very well, the first place in sales of new cars in 2019, went around Polo and Rio and Solaris .....
      2. minus 25 January 2020 09: 18 New
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        I have a friend moved from Priors to Volkswagen Jetta in the maximum configuration .. Long matter ... Material Volkswagen!))))
    9. Samaritan 24 January 2020 12: 58 New
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      I want to believe in the good, I dream of a Russian smartphone to nap, in life. )))

      Make no problem, sell the problem!
      If we are talking about the release of the phone strictly in Russia without different “Chinas,” the cost will be more than $ 6 billion (calculations have been made repeatedly). According to the most conservative estimates, Apple and Samsung need to sell more than 100 million units for payback.
      Next, we have an oil painting: we made a telephone, but there is no one to sell! Samsung for example sells over 500 million gadgets. Accordingly, sheer losses, and you are the first to start mocking up “successful managers” who screwed up again ...
      And so the work is being done!

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        Nice to see the same pictures!
        And what is the price tag for this systematic?
        Are there already open access languages ​​/ development environments for this platform?
        1. Samaritan 24 January 2020 13: 54 New
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          Nice to see the same pictures!
          Sure, not a problem drinks
          From the news:
          The Russian operating system "Red OS" is selected for Huawei servers.
          The release of the Alt Education 9.0 operating system for the domestic Elbrus platform has been officially announced, notable for its built-in support for multi-seat configurations on serial-mounted MCST machines based on the Elbrus 801-PC with two or three graphics cards Radeon RX 570/580, R7 240, R5 230 .

          Baikal Electronics has introduced its new Baikal-M processor.
          1. 210ox 24 January 2020 16: 57 New
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            Well, it is produced in Taiwan ....
            1. Alf
              Alf 24 January 2020 22: 36 New
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              Quote: 210ox
              Well, it is produced in Taiwan ....

              So what in Taiwan? The main thing is being produced. And the fact that the factories of microelectronics were destroyed and dispersed qualified specialists was trifles, so to speak, time-consuming. negative
      2. keeper03 24 January 2020 14: 44 New
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        If you look in terms of benefits, then we will not have anything !!! No civil aviation, no electronics, no education! request Got it - damned capitalists !!! am
        1. vadimtt 24 January 2020 22: 01 New
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          Here the problem is not in the bourgeoisie, but in the fact that at the right time they wandered (and even in general, without false modesty, this can be called the most wrecking am ) and the silicon microelectronics train left. And he can no longer catch up. Here there is only a chance not to oversleep a new technology that will turn the industry upside down. And become the first in it. Whether we have a chance, given the state of education and science, is a big question.
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            Quote: vadimtt
            and the fact that at the right time ran through (and even in general, without false modesty, this can be called the most wrecking) and the silicon microelectronics train left.

            This is not entirely true, because the point is not that we were smoldering, but the fact that at that time we could not create materials for radio electronics with high clean, in which there would be no different impurities, and we did not have high-quality equipment for spraying processes, which led to contamination of finished products. All this led to a huge marriage at the exit, which is why then only the military direction could develop. In general, those who are in the subject understand that the matter is not so much in our inertness, but in the technological backwardness of that time.
            Quote: vadimtt
            There is only a chance not to oversleep a new technology that will turn the industry upside down.

            We still have niches in which we are leading - space technology, the nuclear industry, some types of aircraft, the icebreaker fleet and, naturally, weapons. So you can still choose several areas of our development, and bet on it, and not try to become a world leader where it will require too much cost.
            1. vadimtt 26 January 2020 10: 39 New
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              That's right, a lot of things had to be developed for electronics, but it simply wasn’t needed globally, and when they realized (and again not completely) that it was very necessary - it was both late and very expensive. Convulsive and abrupt movements, as always, did not lead to anything (maybe someone remembers how, during the very late USSR, at the very first suspicions of incorrect operation, a cret was pulled out and without any diagnosis they just stupidly bit out all the cases with a bowl with a smoke "and changed to" rhombus ", after which everything worked).
              And yet, you contradict yourself, talking about the niches of our leadership wink
              It is not complete without electronics in these niches, from the word “completely”. The trouble is that electronics is very specific, and so far there haven’t been any complex algorithms that sometimes sometimes determine whether or not to be a “product”, everything was somehow produced. But now you need a high degree of integration and complex architecture of the executing blocks. And we arrived - massively imported MIPS with ARM. And piece "Elbrus" (and thank God that he even exists). As expected, this is not a mass product, moreover, it is several generations behind the Western models. And this will not change until there is mass, allowing to pay for new developments of both the architectures themselves and the technological equipment. Those. never.

              PS: The only thing I regret is that they did not begin to develop a line of PDP-11 architecture that is seamless in DEC. From the point of view of the programmer, it was a paradise in which it was no more difficult to assemble using assembler than BASIC bully It sometimes even seems to me that DEC was killed "for the sake of" Intel precisely because the USSR adopted the main architecture of this mass-market architecture. wassat
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                Quote: vadimtt
                And yet, you contradict yourself, talking about the niches of our leadership

                What can you say more specifically?
                Quote: vadimtt
                It is not complete without electronics in these niches, from the word “completely”.

                This is no one denies, like the fact that we produce our own electronics. But the whole question is its cost, and if we can afford expensive components for the defense industries in small quantities, then mass production of them for consumer goods will ruin our manufacturers.
                Quote: vadimtt
                As expected, this is not a mass product,

                So you yourself have confirmed this.
                Quote: vadimtt
                And this will not change until there is mass

                I’m talking about this - we don’t have such mass production that would cover the costs of developing and manufacturing the latest components that are above world level.
                Quote: vadimtt
                From the point of view of the programmer, it was a paradise in which it was no more difficult to assemble using assembler than BASIC

                You understand this better than I do, so I hope you correctly stated the essence of the problem.
    10. Svarog 24 January 2020 13: 31 New
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      I want to believe in the good, I dream of a Russian smartphone to nap, in life. )))

      The iPhone was already .. and then it was going to China .. In 2030, as some top Apple managers predict, there will be no smartphones anymore .. It would be interesting to know who exactly will be involved in the development of electronics, otherwise I remember one billionaire undertaking something sour ..
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        Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov criticized the bureaucracy in the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Economy and the VEB when drawing up a program of investments in the microelectronic industry. According to him, the reason for the collapse of the production of microelectronics was the transfer of enterprises to private hands and the withdrawal from this sphere of the state.

        "The investment funds that the state invests in this area require a multiple, I repeat, multiple increase. Today we are thinking about one or two serial factories in Russia. There are over 30 of them in China." -
        Borisov criticized the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Economic Development for the bureaucracy.
        The Deputy Prime Minister recalled that the decision to invest by the state in the reconstruction of the microelectronic industry was made at a meeting in April 2018, but the process is being delayed due to bureaucracy.
        РИА Новости10:23 10/12/19
        1. Svarog 24 January 2020 14: 02 New
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          According to him, the reason for the collapse of the production of microelectronics was the transfer of enterprises to private hands and the withdrawal from this sphere of the state.

          That’s right .. it’s starting to reach .. you still would understand that the largest enterprises, the energy sector, natural resources, alcohol - all this should belong only to the state. Then, retirement money and social obligations will appear. Science, pharmaceutical industry from the same series ..
          1. depressant 24 January 2020 14: 29 New
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            A colleague, indeed, according to well-known Russian analysts in this field of production, Russia was hopelessly behind in the field of microelectronics from Japan, the United States, Germany, South Korea and China, which had recently purchased products from us. Hence the concern of Deputy Prime Minister Borisov. The lack of mass production of microelectronics for the army threatens the country's defense capabilities. However, in the upper echelons of power there is hardly any understanding that microelectronics is a very expensive production, especially at the stage of product development. Suffice it to say that in 2019 9,91 billion rubles were allocated for the development of microelectronics, which is ridiculous in itself, and 11 billion for the maintenance of the State Duma. People simply do not understand what they are dealing with.
            And this despite the fact that only 29% of the declared amount, that is, 2,83 billion rubles, reached production. Experts determine such amounts as those intended for theft.
            1. Military77 24 January 2020 21: 37 New
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              especially at the product development stage

              Well this is not at all true. Development - like dirt in the spring in the Kursk region. There is no own technological base for the production of components less than 65nm, they either do everything abroad, like Elbrus processes, or do it with us, but with imported equipment.
      2. AU Ivanov. 24 January 2020 15: 08 New
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        IPhones are also collected in China. So what?
    11. AU Ivanov. 24 January 2020 15: 07 New
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      No thanks. Smartphones and other consumer goods are easier and cheaper to buy from the Chinese. But for industry, its own electronics are needed as air.
    12. ANB
      ANB 24 January 2020 15: 16 New
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      So they are. But from Chinese parts. crying
      In Zelenograd with Angstrom, what now? Somebody knows?
      1. depressant 24 January 2020 17: 52 New
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        I answer my ANB colleague.
        VEB.RF State Corporation, having received control of 29% of the Angstrem-T plant on December 2018, 100, filed for bankruptcy on January 9, 2019. Bankruptcy trustee - Peter Naumenko.
        On April 21, 2020, Naumenko's bankruptcy report will be held. The plant worked all this time. His debt to VEB amounted to 815 million euros. The money was given at 8,5% per annum for the construction of a subsidiary factory for the production of 130- and 110-nanometer products with the subsequent possibility of reaching 65 nm. Equipment purchase was supposed from AMD.
        I remember that in 2016 Angstrom-T released a series of 90-nanometer controllers and incidentally fell under US sanctions. Even by the end of 2019, the Ministry of Industry and Trade did not manage to help the enterprise capable of mastering the production of 10- or even 7-nanometer range products.
        So, we are waiting for April 21.
        1. ANB
          ANB 24 January 2020 18: 12 New
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          And this is development. am
          The whole city was built under this enterprise.
          1. depressant 24 January 2020 18: 31 New
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            Colleague, there’s a dirty story.
            We had such a minister of communications - Leonid Reiman, just the owner of Angstrem-T. It requires through the court to recover from the enterprise 423 million rubles. The court was surprised and refused - your own enterprise, if the losses are credited, then yours. VEB intervened, put pressure on the court, and now this money will be exacted from the enterprise. So not only that, Reiman is a co-owner of the parent company - Angstrom. So, it already requires 2,2 billion rubles. Your affairs are wonderful ... Here is such a development!
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              I have a friend from Zelenograd. How much he told me what was being done on Angstrom in Soviet times. They mastered LSI, then VLSI. I did not even understand how to solder circuits with such progress now. Ruined.
    13. vadsonen 24 January 2020 15: 59 New
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      It is important to determine what is meant by "Russian." Each smartphone has a bunch of chips, and they are developed by different companies around the world, as they are manufactured. The company itself (such as Apple or Samsung) creates, mainly, only a specification of components, well, it is engaged in advertising / sales.

      We will not see a fully developed and manufactured smartphone in Russia in the next century. This will require a colossal scientific and industrial base, and these are thousands of firms, from design bureaus to factories (most design bureaus do not have factories) to very specific engineering software. We need an army of engineers of various profiles, and engineers need to be lured by large salaries, beautiful modern cities, social packages, etc.

      Creating all this is orders of magnitude more difficult than flying into space, and Russia is hopelessly behind here.
      1. ANB
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        Under the USSR, just all of the above was planned. And now software is crashed.
    14. igorj 51 24 January 2020 16: 04 New
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      Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream ..))
    15. Alf
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      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I want to believe in the good, I dream of a Russian smartphone to nap, in life. )))

      How did yutafon not suit you? laughing
  2. Thrifty 24 January 2020 11: 55 New
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    Why not until 3030? And how will they realize, they will start to purchase the Asian total? This tale has no beginning, no end in sight! Moreover, the pseudo-government is somehow not on fire to make any plans to pull the country out of the economic swamp.
    1. Invoce 24 January 2020 12: 03 New
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      Quote: Thrifty
      Why not until 3030? And how will they realize, they will start to purchase the Asian total? This tale has no beginning, no end in sight! Moreover, the pseudo-government is somehow not on fire to make any plans to pull the country out of the economic swamp.

      The Asian are now being bought and given out as domestic by Readers (Reimer, head of the Federal Penitentiary Service, from the fresh "Deputy Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia, Colonel-General Khalil Arslanov, has been charged with two episodes of especially large-scale fraud totaling almost 6,7 billion rubles ", Carrier accidents, Civil Code recognized not high-quality components) ...
      And so Everything is possible! Only through total personal responsibility and toughening of criminal liability (to equate to treason to the Motherland) for theft from the State Budget ... And then with 2 hands FOR! good
      1. knn54 24 January 2020 12: 26 New
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        It seems that Medvedev and Co. ITS order of the Government of the Russian Federation of December 15.12.2012, 2396 No. 2013-r on the development of Russian electronics (2025) was also overwhelmed.
    2. lucul 24 January 2020 12: 04 New
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      Why not until 3030? And how will they realize, they will start to purchase the Asian total?

      Just yesterday I read the news - Samsung and LG with giblets sell their production lines (entire factories) for the production of LCD panels and will completely leave this market (only design). They were crushed by the Chinese at a price.
      Why not Russia to stick around and buy these production facilities ....
      1. Thrifty 24 January 2020 12: 23 New
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        We will not be allowed to buy us! They, like Motor Sich una ukroine, used to ruin completely production but will not allow us to normal civilian technologies related to electronics and, especially, microelectronics.
        1. Piramidon 24 January 2020 12: 36 New
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          Quote: Thrifty
          Why not Russia to stick around and buy these production facilities

          Have you forgotten the pipe layer on the SP-2? If they try to sell us, then they will immediately be crushed with sanctions.
          1. Thrifty 24 January 2020 12: 55 New
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            Stepan hi hi -you attributed someone else’s comment to me, but about the pipe-laying man, the voices of those screaming suddenly stopped saying that tomorrow gas pipelines would begin to break off en masse in the ukraine, and in general, the pipe! Was everything all right? ??
            1. Piramidon 24 January 2020 12: 58 New
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              Quote: Thrifty
              Stepan - you attributed someone else's comment to me

              Squeeze! The error came out. Sorry, overlooked. hi
      2. AU Ivanov. 24 January 2020 15: 13 New
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        And where are we going to sell these panels, if the Chinese at the cost of Samsung itself crushed? Cheaper than the Koreans we can’t do, so that the money to buy production capacity is discarded.
  3. Flatter 24 January 2020 11: 58 New
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    Interestingly, you can optimize if this industry is not
  4. maden.usmanow 24 January 2020 11: 58 New
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    DIC will raise electronics?
    Neither in America, nor in China, the defense industry are not engaged in the production of electronics, this is done by specialized private companies.
  5. rocket757 24 January 2020 11: 58 New
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    The details of the development strategy of the electronic industry of the Russian Federation until 2030 were announced

    Well, why so ??? The headline made me happy, and then ...
    At the same time, the warning section contains the warning word “optimization”. Caution is associated with the fact that usually under optimization they try to hide reductions, mergers, mergers and cuts.

    Here it is how to understand? Do we have a bunch of inefficient enterprises "working \ bending"?
    My native factory ... has long been bent and there are NO signs of recovery!
    Ambitious tasks in terms of export volumes by 2030 - over $ 12 billion.

    It can simply restore everything that is necessary and do what is necessary ??? But to catch up and overtake ... it already was!
    1. Thrifty 24 January 2020 12: 02 New
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      Rosket757 - that’s right now they’ll finish off your factory completely, and with it a bunch of others, breathing into the frankincense, because nefeg incense should not be translated. ...
      1. rocket757 24 January 2020 12: 14 New
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        Rosket757 - that’s right now they’ll finish off your factory completely, and with it a bunch of others, breathing into the frankincense, because nefeg incense should not be translated. ...

        My ... or rather, OUR plant (the whole family worked on it) has long turned ... a lot of all sorts of salons, offices, warehouses and ... there is nothing from the former. The fence is tall except.
        1. From Siberia we 24 January 2020 13: 23 New
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          is it not Vega software? winked
          1. rocket757 24 January 2020 13: 47 New
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            Quote: From Siberia we
            is it not Vega software? winked

            It was called Cunning .... "Plant ventilation systems" !!! like this. True, three renames have passed with me! Including the "MECHANICAL" plant was called .... where I will give this, no one could understand. Just before the very end, “EVT” was determined, it really was closer to the topic.
            1. From Siberia we 24 January 2020 13: 49 New
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              BEMZ and ON "Vega" also went under the knife
              1. rocket757 24 January 2020 14: 00 New
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                The VEGA radiol is being dusted by me for repair. Children wanted to twist old vinyl with fairy tales .... no pickup heads ???
                1. From Siberia we 24 January 2020 14: 04 New
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                  From where. I also want to collect Vegovsky’s radar. Recall youth. But in the early 90's in full swing CD players
                  1. rocket757 24 January 2020 14: 14 New
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                    I have, over the years, a collection of everything has accumulated! Now I am using textbooks for my “why-whys”. It is clear that now other electronics have gone and the generation of button presses and the replacement of boards, blocks is growing .... but the basics, the basics will not be superfluous !!!
                    And much more clearly ... I wanted to show the children what a detector receiver is, so there is NO broadcasting !!! I also had to gondobit transmitter broadcasting ....
                    ALL IN BUSINESS! Seniors are now studying digital technology, at the simplest level of course ... but without it, nowhere.
                    1. From Siberia we 24 January 2020 14: 20 New
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                      So the basics of electrical engineering, radio engineering has not been canceled. the elemental base has changed but the principles are the same. And for children, yes, much of the simplest is like a miracle! It works alright, but how it’s not interesting
                      1. rocket757 24 January 2020 14: 29 New
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                        I’m already not a few years old, glasses on my nose, hands already, already ... still carry around from the whole factory, they are familiar with all sorts of things for repair! if the student had not been prepared, preoccupied in advance, they would not have time to repair anything. And then, taught about a dozen. I can do two things! The rest got stiff, laziness and other stupid things ... only boards can change.
    2. cniza 24 January 2020 12: 05 New
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      It can simply restore everything that is necessary and do what is necessary ??? But to catch up and overtake ... it already was!


      Nothing in this world changes until one verbiage, without the personal responsibility of a particular person, moves.
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        Quote: cniza
        Nothing in this world changes until one verbiage, without the personal responsibility of a particular person, moves.

        Do you plan ambitious plans? And just WORK, is it now who and how long will have to wait?
    3. Varyag71 24 January 2020 13: 37 New
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      I live in Voronezh. So many factories, enterprises were defense and civilian areas. Not much left. And in their place is now the LCD, shopping center, or complete devastation. Huge workshops are empty and abandoned. A sad and sad vision.
      1. rocket757 24 January 2020 13: 50 New
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        Wow, I had to go on business trips more than once, then still ... very, very, disappointing !!!
  6. lucul 24 January 2020 12: 00 New
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    The details of the development strategy of the electronic industry of the Russian Federation until 2030 were announced

    So far, this year, this is the most significant news.
    AT LAST .....
  7. Arg107 24 January 2020 12: 01 New
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    "In the course of the week, the official government portal .." I hasten to notify you of the shameful mistake, on the very first line of your article.
    1. Paranoid50 24 January 2020 12: 26 New
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      I hasten to notify

      So it’s not a ride - they won’t notice. Below, under the article itself there is a "panic" button.
      1. Arg107 24 January 2020 12: 29 New
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        It doesn’t roll with the button either, there is a sending limit, if there are more than three errors in the article, then you can specify the first three, then the beard.
        1. Paranoid50 24 January 2020 12: 30 New
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          Quote: Arg107
          you can specify the first three,

          Well, if there are more than three, then you need to bring down the whole article. am yes
  8. cniza 24 January 2020 12: 02 New
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    The implementation of the strategy begins this year with work to increase the share of domestic electronics in the domestic market.


    And what has Chubais been doing in recent years, maybe it’s time to ask those who charged him?
    1. solzh 24 January 2020 12: 20 New
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      Chubais

      Chubais, his face is not touched. So there is no one to ask.
      1. cniza 24 January 2020 12: 24 New
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        And he spoke about those who charged him, look carefully ... lol
        1. solzh 24 January 2020 12: 27 New
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          I probably didn’t write like that, I just wanted it in short, but it didn’t make that sense ... I meant that Chubais didn’t touch his face, and if he was like that, then those who put him there weren’t even more touched, and therefore not whom to ask hi
          1. cniza 24 January 2020 12: 29 New
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            There is just a link that needs to be mowed and no one will protect them, then the loop will narrow.
    2. prior 24 January 2020 12: 39 New
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      Chubais was engaged in nanowealing in macro sizes.
      1. cniza 24 January 2020 12: 41 New
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        Why did you do it now? belay lol
  9. Nikolai Korovin 24 January 2020 12: 05 New
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    It will have to be restored from the production of pure elements, which went almost to zero. For starters - at least silicon.
  10. solzh 24 January 2020 12: 16 New
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    on approval of the development strategy of the electronic industry

    This is certainly good. At least we’ll stop depending on the West in electronics, but I'm not sure, since it’s interesting to know who will be the recipient of the investment and who will be involved in the development of the electronics industry, I hope not Western companies. Electronic industry is needed, and it is very necessary. But the question is, what about the rest of the industry?
  11. Old26 24 January 2020 12: 17 New
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    I want to believe in the good, I dream of a Russian smartphone to nap, in life. )))

    And I do not hope so. My friend lived (I don’t know now) near Moscow, so he either bought his son, or at school they gave his son for testing ten years ago, as he said, a Chubais nanoplate. As he said - darkness and horror. Not only that, black and white .... I went and bought a normal one, either Chinese or Korean. So I no longer hope for domestic devices
  12. Tochilka 24 January 2020 12: 18 New
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    All this bullshit !! As long as Russia has no production of its own equipment for the production of microelectronics, production of its consumables and TRAINED personnel who receive a decent salary for their work, then none of these plans will happen.
  13. Arg107 24 January 2020 12: 19 New
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    But the question is, what about the rest of the industry?

    With the rest of the industry this and that!
  14. nm76 24 January 2020 12: 21 New
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    I understand that RosNano has already universally implemented these same Naono technologies ...
    Our Skolkovo cluster made an information technology breakthrough ...
    Now it's up to you to optimize the electronics industry.
  15. Last centurion 24 January 2020 12: 22 New
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    there is even a word about which enterprises will open, how many and when and who is responsible? if not, it will be another yotafon (reign to him ...) or the Ministry of Air Shake
  16. Yves762 24 January 2020 12: 30 New
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    Here's a problem: iPhone-something-it’s too early removed! He would turn around; and show yourself from the best angles! wassat (sarcasm)

    IPhone player in melancholy
    So early in the "resignation (!)
    Why now stick (.?.)
    wassat wassat wassat
    1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 13: 14 New
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      Quote: Yves762
      IPhone player in melancholy
      So early in the "resignation (!)
      Why now stick (.?.)

      Thin wink
      1. rruvim 24 January 2020 16: 03 New
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        Tank:
        Second iPhone
        Man after Buddha
        After all, a place in the Security Council is not given immediately ...
  17. prior 24 January 2020 12: 36 New
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    Trying to reanimate a corpse is expensive ....
    What development ?!
    In fact, electronic industry will have to be created from scratch.
  18. Ross xnumx 24 January 2020 12: 40 New
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    The details of the development strategy of the electronic industry of the Russian Federation until 2030 were announced

    Development strategy? For thirty years, they did not come up with conservation strategies:

    and for ten they want to develop ... fool Well well...
    - During this period, you can develop anything ...
    - And what? Can. It is only necessary to put Tolika?
    - What Tolika? With Rusnano or from Rostec?
    - Yes, what difference does it make? Specialists !!! Professionals !!!
    - Stop! I said to develop, not to ruin ...
    - Ahhhhhh ...
    request
  19. leshiy076 24 January 2020 12: 49 New
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    Until 2030 ... The main thing is not like Hadji Nasreddin’s. Or the donkey will die by then or the paddies.
  20. thinker 24 January 2020 12: 50 New
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    Here's another way to find out - The development strategy of the electronic industry of Russia for the period up to 2025, adopted in August 2007, was implemented ahead of schedule, or what?
    1. Thrifty 24 January 2020 12: 58 New
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      The Thinker - the strategy that the rest of the earth rested in the Bose crying as well as the electronic industry of Russia crying
  21. Livonetc 24 January 2020 12: 53 New
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    The main emphasis, experts say, will initially be made to ensure that defense industry enterprises increase the share of civilian products in the field of electronics.

    Conversion again?
    Yes it does not work like that.
  22. Vasily Ponomarev 24 January 2020 13: 00 New
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    But what is the difference between this strategy and the past?
    1. Elephant 24 January 2020 14: 39 New
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      It differs only in that it is a NEW strategy! And many have forgotten about the past, with the same theme.
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  24. spectr 24 January 2020 14: 37 New
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    I read a little this document. Some points are concretized so that there are two options for them:
    - either reduce the possibility of theft;
    - either compiled for specific people and their business.
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      Alf 24 January 2020 22: 44 New
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      - either reduce the possibility of theft;

      The first option is not to offer, do not tear down the basics of the System.
  25. Free wind 24 January 2020 14: 44 New
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    We develop a lot of everything and every year two new toys, money bucks up, but what's the point ... ... remember nano technology, play and forget, prohibit incandescent bulbs and release energy saving, built a plant in Omsk, covered with a copper basin, it turns out the whole world switched to LEDs five years late. Now here is the electronics, what can you come up with to interest the buyer? Wiring in China is being purchased.
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      Alf 24 January 2020 22: 45 New
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      Wiring in China is being purchased.

      Ha, buy the wiring .. St. George ribbons from China are coming.
  26. Shahno 24 January 2020 16: 27 New
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    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    I want to believe in the good, I dream of a Russian smartphone to nap, in life. )))

    The iPhone was already .. and then it was going to China .. In 2030, as some top Apple managers predict, there will be no smartphones anymore .. It would be interesting to know who exactly will be involved in the development of electronics, otherwise I remember one billionaire undertaking something sour ..

    Well, usually serious specialists in this field are involved in the development of electronics. And executives are already moving out of their midst, or a serious entrepreneur will organize around himself a team of world-class experts in the field of electronics.
    You see somewhere in the article the answer to the question of how to do this, I do not.
  27. Radikal 24 January 2020 16: 27 New
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    The details of the development strategy of the electronic industry of the Russian Federation until 2030 were announced
    How many new industrial enterprises are planned to be built according to this "strategy"? winked
    1. Artunis 25 January 2020 12: 13 New
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      So far, there are only 2 microelectronic factories, but they still need a bunch of allied equipment. But this is already not bad. Of course, we will not supply the whole world, and it won’t work out in any way. All the niches are already occupied. But here it is much more important to ensure our internal need in areas critical to the country's security. All computers made on the basis of Amer’s processors at the right time can be brought into a non-working state by a command at the iron level, and from here we have to dance.
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        Of course, we will not supply the whole world, and it won’t work out in any way. All the niches are already occupied. But here it is much more important to ensure our internal need in areas critical to the country's security.

        That is what we should stop at, because no one will allow us in this area to the world market.
        Quote: Artunis
        All computers made on the basis of Amer’s processors at the right time can be brought into a non-working state by a command at the iron level, and from here we have to dance.

        If you use protected facilities and without access to external networks, then it is not a fact that this can be done physically. But we must always remember this.
  28. Victor March 47 24 January 2020 16: 35 New
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    A competitive industry cannot be created without internal competition within Russia. And this, with state ownership of the means of production, to create, is like dragging oneself by the hair from a swamp. All-pervasive Chubais will ruin everything. Only those who risk their OWN property can move something.
  29. Radikal 24 January 2020 16: 37 New
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    The implementation of the strategy begins this year with work to increase the share of domestic electronics in the domestic market.


    And what has Chubais been doing in recent years, maybe it’s time to ask those who charged him?

    The Guarantor instructed him, do you want to ask him? lol
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      Alf 24 January 2020 22: 49 New
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      Quote: Victor March 47
      One example is trade. Having become private, order suddenly became there, and the seller became FIRST to say hello to the buyer.

      Where? In a boutique? And if you go into Pyaterochka or Magnet? You first find this seller there .. The only network in which the seller IMMEDIATELY responds to my request and is trained on the topic is Merlin and Auchan, but here’s an uncle, both networks are French ..
  31. stepka_razin 24 January 2020 18: 44 New
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    Stop, but is there anything left to optimize?)
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      Alf 24 January 2020 22: 50 New
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      Stop, but is there anything left to optimize?)

      If the state allocates funds, then there is still something to “optimize”.
  32. Evgeny Vinogradov_2 24 January 2020 20: 47 New
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKzpdd48vi8
  33. Engineer 24 January 2020 20: 58 New
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    For me, the fact that in general the electronic industry is alive is a miracle. For almost every electronic engineer at a certain stage was faced with the need to program. And then in his life an apple of temptation appears in the form of leaving in IT, where everything is many times better.
    1. ccsr 25 January 2020 11: 26 New
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      For me, the fact that in general the electronic industry is alive is a miracle.

      This miracle is based on the fact that we still have a Soviet scientific school. In the “Baumanka” students are still given some textbooks from the 60-80s, which surprised and pleased me - it means that not everything is lost.
      1. Engineer 25 January 2020 11: 40 New
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        In the "Bauman" students are still given some textbooks of the 60-80s

        If for the first two courses (maybe three) then nothing else. If for the subsequent, then this is a delayed death for engineering in Russia.
        1. ccsr 25 January 2020 11: 56 New
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          If for the first two courses (maybe three) then nothing else.

          I talked about a freshman. However, there were textbooks for descriptive geometry, matanalysis, and something else from the theoretical sciences.
          1. Engineer 25 January 2020 11: 58 New
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            Well then fine.
            Simply, any education becomes obsolete both methodically and in terms of knowledge. Nowadays, world educational methods change every 10 years. Unfortunately, special subjects and the general methodology do not keep up with us. The Soviet groundwork here has long been exhausted.
  34. Arg107 24 January 2020 21: 22 New
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    https://politexpert.net/181933-rossiya-delaet-zayavku-na-mirovoe-liderstvo-v-sfere-mikroelektroniki
    https://politexpert.net/181995-v-rossii-razrabatyvayut-novuyu-tekhnologiyu-massovogo-vypuska-elektroniki?utm_source=finobzor.ru
    Pasans, do not be fooled, Russia will soon flood all markets with cheap electronics. We’ll print on the printer.
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      Alf 24 January 2020 22: 50 New
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      We’ll print on the printer.

      It is, of course, wonderful, but ... where do we get this printer? laughing
  35. Victor March 47 24 January 2020 22: 45 New
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    According to him, the reason for the collapse of the production of microelectronics was the transfer of enterprises to private hands and the withdrawal from this sphere of the state.

    That’s right .. it’s starting to reach .. you still would understand that the largest enterprises, the energy sector, natural resources, alcohol - all this should belong only to the state. Then, retirement money and social obligations will appear. Science, pharmaceutical industry from the same series ..

    Interesting. The whole world, even in communist China, the private trader is working much more efficiently than the state. And only people like us are all drawn to state monopoly. Once already ditching all CMEA countries. Led by the USSR. How much can you do? When do you put your brains where you need to?
  36. Victor March 47 25 January 2020 09: 44 New
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    Quote: Alf
    Quote: Victor March 47
    One example is trade. Having become private, order suddenly became there, and the seller became FIRST to say hello to the buyer.

    Where? In a boutique? And if you go into Pyaterochka or Magnet? You first find this seller there .. The only network in which the seller IMMEDIATELY responds to my request and is trained on the topic is Merlin and Auchan, but here’s an uncle, both networks are French ..

    This proves that chain stores are not competitors because they belong to one. And the "scattering" of magnets along the street is not competition. Competition begins where antitrust laws operate. WORKS. As, for example, it works in the example, Intel was forcibly divided into three parts: Athlone and Duron. Type, you can produce goods in an amount not exceeding one third of what is needed. "And how AvtoVAZ and Moskvich DO NOT WORK in the example. Because the state will not compete with itself.
    1. region58 26 January 2020 01: 31 New
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      Quote: Victor March 47
      Intel was forcibly divided into three parts - Athlone and Duron.

      Athlon and Duron were manufactured by AMD, whose history begins in the late sixties, however, like Intel. Besides them, there are probably a dozen well-known CPU manufacturers in the USA, such as Motorola, Cyrix, Qualcomm and others, so there is no need to divide companies ...
      Share of AMD processors in different markets:
      ............................... Q4 2017 Q3 2018 Q4 2018
      Desktop ............ 12,0% ..... 13,0% ..... 15,8%
      Server .............. 0,8% ...... 1,6% ....... 3,2%
      For laptops ........ 6,9% ...... 10,9% ..... 12,1%
      So it is, as it were, not entirely “forcibly”. This is not taking into account x86-incompatible systems.
  37. Victor March 47 25 January 2020 10: 17 New
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    Quote: Minus
    I have a friend moved from Priors to Volkswagen Jetta in the maximum configuration .. Long matter ... Material Volkswagen!))))

    For a long time such a proverb walks that the Mercedes is the top of the German automobile industry, and the Volkswagen is its bottom.
    1. reservist 27 January 2020 10: 40 New
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      VAG - the "bottom" of the German automobile industry?
      and then where is Opel?
      1. ccsr 27 January 2020 13: 42 New
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        and then where is Opel

        I drove a couple of years on the new Opel Astra in 2008-2010. and I must say that the car was excellent, there was not a single breakdown, even a tiny one. Before that, there was a new Focus - there I had to contact the dealer with the clutch basket and with the power steering during the warranty period. So Opel was better than Ford - a fact.
        1. reservist 27 January 2020 15: 41 New
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          the question was about VW (VAG) and Opel (FSA), and the answer was about Ford and Opel ...
          are there really no differences between vw and ford?
          1. ccsr 27 January 2020 19: 48 New
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            Quote: reservist
            the question was about VW (VAG) and Opel (FSA), and the answer was about Ford and Opel ...
            are there really no differences between vw and ford?

            I then understood everything from your ambiguous comment:
            Quote: reservist
            VAG - the "bottom" of the German automobile industry?
            and then where is Opel?

            So I believe that Opel was not worse than Volkswagen, and it can hardly be considered worse than the "bottom of the German automobile industry", and Opel's price / quality ratio is clearly better.
            1. reservist 27 January 2020 20: 30 New
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              ... Opel's price / quality ratio is clearly better.

              very controversial statement ...
              look at the ratings of German ADAC for new and used cars - an exciting experience if you intend to operate a car after the warranty period ...
              Opel’s, although generally good cars, but with respect to VW they usually lose price faster ...
              1. ccsr 28 January 2020 11: 45 New
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                see German ADAC ratings for new and used cars

                Actually, I have been driving Toyota Motors for ten years, and therefore I think that they are better than German in a number of ways, including the cost of maintenance.
                Quote: reservist
                Opel, though generally good cars,

                For me, a car of this brand has not created any problems in two years, and the engine is 140 hp. for a hatchback a good bonus for those who have to travel around the city a lot. I can not say anything about Volkswagen, but the fact that golf was more expensive than an aster in equal trim levels is clear.
                1. reservist 28 January 2020 13: 33 New
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                  the same Coroll's interservice mileage is 10 t.km ... and there are practically no normal non-original spare parts ...
                  I don’t understand how, with such introductory notes, it’s possible to win on the “cost of service” ... unless, unless you look beyond the warranty period ...

                  Quote: ccsr
                  golf was more expensive than asters in equal trim levels - this is definitely

                  so golf will be more expensive than asters, not only when buying, but also when selling ... it’s worth looking at the total cost of ownership, taking into account the purchase / sale prices and the cost of servicing ... an affordable price tag when buying happens then it goes sideways ...
                  some years ago I chose between Zafira and Turan, in the Zafira base it was cheaper, but in top-end configurations comparable to Turan it was already becoming significantly more expensive ...
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                    Quote: reservist
                    the same Coroll's interservice mileage is 10 t.km ... and there are practically no normal non-original spare parts ...

                    All Toyota interservice mileage of 10 thousand km. - at least the ones I rode on.
                    Quote: reservist
                    I don’t understand how, with such introductory notes, it’s possible to win on the “cost of service” ... unless, unless you look beyond the warranty period ...

                    I compared the cost of servicing from different manufacturers with 10 and 15 thousandth mileage intervals, and it turned out that those who are less frequently serviced do not get any benefits - maybe they only save on oil, but hardly on other consumables. As for the warranty period, I left it, though I never exceeded 100 thousand for the entire period of operation.
                    Quote: reservist
                    golf will be more expensive than asters, not only when buying, but also when selling ... it’s worth looking at the total cost of ownership, taking into account purchase / sale prices and the cost of maintenance ...

                    After 4-5 years of operation in our conditions, this value is unlikely to be significant.
                    This is from my personal experience, though I sold cars to my friends, and cheaper than the market price.
                    Quote: reservist
                    some number of years ago I chose between zafira and turan, in the database zafira was cheaper,

                    This is familiar to me, because you always look at the package bundle when buying, so as not to pay extra money for an option that is not needed. But when buying used cars they still look for a year - you yourself probably know what tricks sellers use.
                    1. reservist 28 January 2020 15: 13 New
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                      I compared the cost of service from different manufacturers with 10 and 15 thousandth mileage intervals

                      so there are interservice and 20 and 30 thousand km ...
                      the truth is not the fact that in our conditions 30 tkm is the optimal figure ...

                      Quote: ccsr
                      After 4-5 years of operation in our conditions, this value is unlikely to be significant.

                      for the sake of interest, I looked at the Automotive News 2015 auto prices:
                      aster - from 500 to 700 thousand
                      golf - from 700 to 900 thousand
                      It became interesting how much they ask for new ones - but on the off.sites I did not find either aster or golf :(

                      Quote: ccsr
                      ... you look at the package bundle when buying, so as not to pay extra money for an option that is not needed.

                      it was a case when a car was just chosen according to the required characteristics / options ... the zafira turned out expensive ... the 5th Mazda is small relative to the same zafira, the Toyota verso is relatively expensive to maintain ...

                      something brought us completely offtopic ...
                      especially since everyone will still ride on what suits his conditions / capabilities better ...
                      1. ccsr 28 January 2020 19: 17 New
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                        so there are interservice and 20 and 30 thousand km ...

                        The first time I hear - I came across only 10 and 15 thousand, though it was stipulated that this was for our conditions, from the Soviet Lada to the cars of another class.

                        Quote: reservist
                        for the sake of interest, I looked at the Automotive News 2015 auto prices:
                        aster - from 500 to 700 thousand
                        golf - from 700 to 900 thousand

                        It is quite possible, I really have not been interested in this for a long time, but I remember that when I compared different models from the golf class more than fifteen years ago, our focus was the cheapest, and Volkswagen golf was the most expensive. That's why I chose the aster when I had to change focus, and basically looked at the characteristics and price.
                        Quote: reservist
                        something brought us completely offtopic ...

                        So this trend is visible in many areas of production that Western companies have created with us. I had a Camry of our assembly, and over the course of four years, not a single breakdown, not even a single bulb, has blown out, so ours work at the highest level. And from what, this is another question.
                      2. reservist 30 January 2020 11: 23 New
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                        about the service interval in our conditions:
                        www.zr.ru/content/articles/746092-uvelichatsya-li-intervaly-mezhdu/
                        in Europe there are also 30t.km, but this is not about our fuel ...

                        I generally agree with the opinion that the increased interval of interservice maintenance is a trick of marketers ...
                        but again, nothing prevents you from changing the oil yourself in the middle of the "long" interval ...
                      3. ccsr 30 January 2020 12: 32 New
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                        Quote: reservist

                        I generally agree with the opinion that the increased interval of interservice maintenance is a trick of marketers ...

                        I also think that this is a ploy, and from my own experience I think that it is unlikely to benefit the car itself.
                        but again, nothing prevents you from changing the oil yourself in the middle of the "long" interval ...

                        Of course this is the alphabet for beginners - the more often you change the oil, the less you spend money on engine repairs. I realized this when I once bought our VAZ-21011 from a German with a hundred thousandth mileage in the early nineties. The German was very conscientious, and I did not spare money for oil, having bought it there. When I sold this car after 160 thousand miles, the buyers didn’t believe that I didn’t change anything in the engines, because they didn’t gass and look at the exhaust, the engine worked like new, without a hint that it’s burning somewhere butter or something knocks.
                        In general, I am in favor of the fact that 10 thousand is an acceptable interval for motorists, especially if there are authorized dealer service centers nearby, which guarantees good service, especially if they are leading manufacturers.
                      4. reservist 30 January 2020 14: 07 New
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                        ... 10 thousand. This is quite an acceptable interval for motorists

                        I put on the fact that the burgher rolling for 3 years for almost 200 thousand km will still choose a TO interval of 30 thousand (in Germany / France, etc. VW and some other brands have this, provided that there is a longlife oil supply ), and we probably would have found the same if we had such a thing available ...
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                        I put on the fact that the burgher rolling over 3 years for almost 200 thousand km will still choose a TO interval of 30 thousand

                        I bought a car from the owner after the reunification of Germany - the East Germans had a slightly different attitude to technology, they looked more like us in this regard.
                        Quote: reservist
                        Yes, and we probably would have found the same ones if this were available ...

                        I think most of us would prefer such an interval, but I, as a person with an idea of ​​technology, would still consider such a run to be excessive, and would begin to change the oil even after 15 thousand. But this is my purely personal opinion, which is why I never I didn’t drive more than 100 thousand in one car, so as not to spend extra money on spare parts.
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                        and I mean the same thing, if a new car, then to the official once every 30 thousand, and the oil can be changed once every 10 thousand ... drinks
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  • iouris 25 January 2020 11: 56 New
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    ... and the strategy lies in trying to establish supplies from China.
  • Artunis 25 January 2020 11: 58 New
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    Well, finally something moved forward (and, moreover, immediately with the advent of the new government)! Borisov recently made a scandal in the previous government - for 3 years they did not sign documents on financing the construction of 2 factories for the production of microelectronics, it looked like conscious sabotage! After all, there are worthy developments, and they have to be produced in China! To build their plants, you need a lot of money - billions and not rubles, however. You can scamper about etaphones as much as you like (and this is certainly true), but the ice seems to have broken!
  • Radikal 25 January 2020 13: 04 New
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    So far, there are only 2 microelectronic factories, but they still need a bunch of allied equipment. But this is already not bad. Of course, we will not supply the whole world, and it won’t work out in any way. All the niches are already occupied. But here it is much more important to ensure our internal need in areas critical to the country's security. All computers made on the basis of Amer’s processors at the right time can be brought into a non-working state by a command at the iron level, and from here we have to dance.

    I did not understand from your comment - 2 factories that are now “available”, or are planned for construction? Then tell us where their location and deadlines for acceptance. hi
  • Victor March 47 26 January 2020 12: 01 New
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    Quote: Victor March 47
    Intel was forcibly divided into three parts - Athlone and Duron.

    Athlon and Duron were manufactured by AMD, whose history begins in the late sixties, however, like Intel. Besides them, there are probably a dozen well-known CPU manufacturers in the USA, such as Motorola, Cyrix, Qualcomm and others, so there is no need to divide companies ...
    Share of AMD processors in different markets:
    ............................... Q4 2017 Q3 2018 Q4 2018
    Desktop ............ 12,0% ..... 13,0% ..... 15,8%
    Server .............. 0,8% ...... 1,6% ....... 3,2%
    For laptops ........ 6,9% ...... 10,9% ..... 12,1%
    So it is, as it were, not entirely “forcibly”. This is not taking into account x86-incompatible systems.

    This is exactly what I had in mind. And an example of such FORCED introduction of competition, is the support of the pyramid-builder-crook Ilon Mask, non-resistance to the creation of budget forces of a number of rocket-building corporations. The state goes to enormous expenses in the name of fulfilling the doctrine of the fight against monopoly. We are going the other way. Hence the lice.
  • Victor March 47 26 January 2020 12: 18 New
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    As far as I know, Samsung, the largest manufacturer of televisions and monitors in the world, has long opened a plant in the Kaluga Region.

    And it is right. It is right for us, and for the corporation itself. Business goes where profit is higher. If in the country of registration of the company profit is limited by a non-linear tax scale and it is impossible to have a profit above 10%, then in another, for example, Russia, profit is not limited to ANYTHING. The lack of competition and state policy of a flat tax scale allows ANY profit. It is limited only by the capabilities of the domestic market of Russia. EXTREMELY cheap raw materials, energy, labor. The absence of even minimum social insurance laws, Why not 400%? For a bribe to the local partyigenoss, you can ward off a tachen factory for one year, first a screwdriver, and then letting out all the little things. Intellectual resources will NEVER be transferred to production to us. Why create competition for ourselves?
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    VAG - the "bottom" of the German automobile industry?
    and then where is Opel?

    And he is in Russia. For there is no place for him in normal.
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      And he is in Russia.

      I doubt it:
      Opel plans to return to the Russian market four years after leaving. This is stated in the message of the French concern PSA Group, which owns Opel. The brand left the Russian market in 2015 due to the unfolding crisis and the weakening ruble, because of which brand cars lost to competitors.