Russian submarines will receive special missiles for breaking ice in the Arctic

Russian nuclear submarines will soon receive special rockets for arsenal to create ice wormwood in the ice for combat missions. Corresponding rockets have already been created and are currently being tested.

As the Ministry of Defense explained, special unguided rockets have been developed for Russian nuclear submarines that are designed to break ice before launching missiles or surfacing a submarine; in addition, they can be used to make an ice hole for surfacing a rescue capsule. Currently, these shells are being tested as part of nuclear submarines of projects 955 "Borey" and 855 "Ash" in the North navy.

It is noted that during the tests, ice crackers confirmed the ability to make an ice hole in any ice and hummocks in the right place. Submarines will be able to launch LDCs not only from the ice position, but also being on the surface.

The Russian Navy used standard submarine torpedoes to make ice holes in the ice, but the practice of using torpedoes showed the insufficient effectiveness of this method and the need to create a special ammunition for breaking ice.

As Izvestia writes with reference to the Ministry of Defense, tests of special missiles began in the summer of 2014, details of the new development are not given.

Recall that in the 60s of the last century between the USSR and the United States there was a kind of race to reach the North Pole under the ice with submarines and surfacing there. The first Soviet submarine to reach the North Pole in 1962 was the K-3 Lenin Komsomol. However, the submarine could not emerge due to the thickness of the ice up to 5 meters.

The second Soviet submarine K-181 of project 627A Kit was able to surface at the pole, having overcome more than 1 thousand nautical miles under the ice. On September 29, 1963, at the North Pole, sailors raised the state and naval flags of the USSR.

Comments

[Thrall]

Will there be a civilian option for winter fishing?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Thrall

The civilian option for winter fishing will be

I wonder what kind of fish you can catch in the North Sea ocean? .... it’s there, not in the seas freed from ice in the summer

[Victor_B]

Quote: Tiksi-3

I wonder what kind of fish can you catch in the North Ocean ice?

Well, very large!
Very dangerous!

[Hunter 2]

Very necessary rockets! The ability to strike back will be faster!
Good supplement to our STRATEGIES!

[Shurik70]

If you have already told in the media, it means that the "friends" have already received the information and do not need to keep a secret.
Otherwise, would be held. It’s a good surprise.

[bouncyhunter]

Along the way, and PU for the civilian variant must be developed. For installation on UAZ vehicles.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tiksi-3

I wonder what kind of fish can you catch in the North Ocean ice?

Well, the capelin is definitely stifled.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: tihonmarine

Well, the capelin is definitely stifled

there is no capelin there! .... a lot of things are not there ... from fish ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tiksi-3

there is no capelin there! .... a lot of things are not there ... from fish ...

If there is water, then there is fish, and what it is is the second question.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: tihonmarine

If there is water, then there is fish

in the toilet there is the same water you catch there ??
or do you assure that capelin is there?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tiksi-3

in the toilet there is the same water you catch there ??
or do you assure that capelin is there?

There is water with bleach in the toilet; capelin does not live there.

[Far East]

there is no capelin there! ... to you, huge ------- (minus) Google to help!

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Far East

there is no capelin there! ... to you, huge ------- (minus) Google to help!

I wrote that there is a capelin ?? ?? ... did not wake up?
if you consider the Barents Sea to be the Arctic Ocean, then yes .....

[Far East]

have a rest ... those yura!

[Chaldon48]

There will be a special fishing rod with a bomb instead of sinkers. Wait and prepare a bag of money.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrall

Will there be a civilian option for winter fishing?

After the explosion, it will only be a net to pick up the emerging fish.

[cost]

New “cracker” missiles will seriously expand the capabilities of Russian nuclear submarines

[venik]

Quote: Thrall

Will there be a civilian option for winter fishing?

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Yes it will! Will be!!! When will the number of likely victims be counted (among other lovers of "ice fishing")!

[Operator]

A logical decision, since the emergence of a nuclear submarine by breaking through the ice with a hull takes from 6 to 12 hours (the exception is the Soviet SSBNs of Project 941 Akula, whose SLBMs were equipped with circular shaped charges to cut through the ice during an underwater launch).

[Vladimir_2U]

Yes, I remember not so long ago fighting on this topic. Some comrades hit with a heel in the chest that a rocket with its own head should break through the ice.

[Operator]

The SLBM hull is not designed for such shock loads, and if it were, then the casting weight would decrease by an order of magnitude.

[Vladimir_2U]

Yeah, but it was just useless to clarify.

[garri-lin]

Some comrades tried to convey to the public that either the ice was thin enough so that a rocket could penetrate it. Or make a huge wormwood. And there is no half measure here that this article actually confirms. No ring charges on the rocket itself can overcome thick ice.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: garri-lin

No ring charges on the rocket itself

Ring charges on a rocket, who wrote this? That's about the ice break just a rocket wrote, yes.

[garri-lin]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

What are some thoughts about breaking ICBMs? The first thing that came to mind, the leading ring cumulative charge, on a segmented substrate, so that the blow would go up more and to the sides, and the fragments (segments) of the substrate would not interfere with the ascent and launch of the rocket

Well, like a quote. The Internet remembers everything. And I wrote about the ice break by the rocket. You can continue to kick.

[Vladimir_2U]

Where do you see the "charge on the rocket"? There is a leader, there is a substrate, but NO on a rocket.

[garri-lin]

That is, he also had no connection with the rocket? This is difficult for a single shot. Dlch volley does not fit well. And the boat is either in one gulp, or it’s a drill. Or she does not shoot the entire ammunition and drowns with it. How to align the hole in the ice and the trajectory of the rocket? And do not damage the rocket with a close explosion? Water hammer from the explosion.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: garri-lin

That is, you still had nothing to do with the rocket

Hallelujah! At least it came to you! And here is the word leading You could not attach a charge to the word. Doesn’t it reach that a charge can emerge from the same mine, but much faster than a rocket? (lead)that would have reached the ice earlier? What is difficult to understand?

Quote: garri-lin

on a segmented substrate, so that the blow is more up and goes along the sides

What is incomprehensible in this? Or do you think the water hammer, intentionally weakened by a substrate, and even cumulative, that is, by definition, strengthened in one direction, and weakened in the rest, is more dangerous for a rocket than an ice ram with its own warhead? You will learn to understand what is written. You can of course persist in breaking the ice with the rocket body, but a little advice, read the comments below, see the link, it's unlikely that this will change anything, but you never know, a miracle will happen.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-441.html

[Operator]

The ice breaking device R-39UTTH was a small multi-plate ballistic fuel taxiway with nozzles pointing upwards. RD was attached to the so-called depreciation system - strapping the rocket body together with another small solid propellant rocket engine (to create a gas cavity), ring seals (for the implementation of a mortar launch from a mine launcher) and a ring explosive charge (to discharge the suspension system after lifting the rocket from the water).

Comprehensive (fast) burning checkers were fired at the calculated point when the R-39UTTX approached the ice surface and broke the ice with a torch of powder gases from the RD nozzles.

[Vladimir_2U]

Where is all this link ?! I understand that I personally put forward my own assumption and defend it, but you write as if it is, but there are no links! And the content is not searched! Here it is:

In the future, it was planned to install small rockets with an explosive charge on the ARSS, which, if ice was launched, would start a little earlier than the rocket itself and penetrate wormwood for it.

and the author of these words in the subject understands more than you and me:

About the Developer
Grigoriev Yuri Pavlovich, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, USSR State Prize Laureate, Honored Inventor of the RSFSR, author of 79 inventions and two scientific discoveries. He worked at KBM for 26 years, 1971-1980. - Deputy Chief Designer of Academician V.P. Makeev for designing - head of the design department of KBM

https://www.arms-expo.ru/news/archive/ot-podvodnogo-starta-k-podlednomu06-06-2013-14-00-00/
What, it was difficult to insert a link, or at least not to twist the text?

[garri-lin]

Zarchd then it can pop up just as the rocket then will fall into the hole of the pierced charge. Yes, and with a guarantee that it will not hook the walls. This is the proper time. Two what should be the interval between shots so that the missiles do not interfere with each other.
Well, that’s all. Pearl about the weakening of water hammer by some mythical substrate shows the level. And only a person with a modern education can talk about the direction of hydroblow depending on the direction of the explosion.
I'll take a look later. But I will not refuse my words. Either the missile pierces what it can penetrate or just do not fly. The damage from an explosion will be more than the damage from an impact.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: garri-lin

And about the direction of water hammer depending on the direction of the explosion

Well, the cumulative charge is clearly empty words for you, and the fact that the deep bombs in the explosion below the submarine were more dangerous than the higher, at approximately the same distance you are definitely not aware, but you should write about the directed explosion, not to mention the Davis gun, if you are not able to draw a simple analogy.

Quote: garri-lin

Zarchd then it can pop up just as the rocket then will fall into the hole with that charge pierced

Here is an explosion and provides a larger wormwood diameter than rockets.

Quote: garri-lin

Two what should be the interval between shots so that the missiles do not interfere with each other.

Pts just! The boat moves when salvo firing! The interval is automatically provided! But the rocket when leaving the mine instantly loses lateral speed, and if it is not specifically directed to the side, it pops up strictly! That's it, the rocket has stabilized and the charge goes up ahead of the charge, and on its engine, and then the rocket passes into the broken through wormwood.

Quote: garri-lin

But I will not refuse my words. Either the missile pierces what it can penetrate or just do not fly

This is not even stupidity, this is idiocy, sorry. Even the drawings do not need to be watched, schematic images are enough to understand the complexity of ICBMs, but not for you, it’s already clear.

[garri-lin]

The points. 1. The strength of the hydroblow will be approximately the same for a high-explosive and cumulative charge of the same power. For the deep relative to the submarine, everything is logical. The deeper the higher the pressure. In the explosion at the border of water and ice, the entire impact will be reflected from the ice and go down.
2. More wormwood, more charge, more water hammer.
3. Does the rocket lose lateral speed? Is it by the laws of physics? Inertia canceled? Both the rocket and the penetration charge will have lateral speed. And very different because of the mass. I will reopen the question. How does a rocket fall into a wormwood broken by a charge? The mass will divert more by inertia towards the movement of the boat more.
4. That is, the complexity of the ICBM and its assumed fragility are not important in terms of hydroblow from a charge capable of breaking through thick ice?

[Vladimir_2U]

Your intellectual level is revealed by this:

Quote: garri-lin

Does the rocket lose lateral speed? Is it by the laws of physics? Inertia canceled? Both the rocket and the penetration charge will have lateral speed. And very different because of the mass

The density of water and the sailing of a rocket in a lateral projection is physics, very, very simple, and if you are not able to add these things, then what is there to discuss with you ?!

[garri-lin]

The mass of the rocket relative to the windage and the mass of your precharge have a difference of several orders of magnitude. What will take more? How much?

[Vladimir_2U]

Are you familiar with the mathematical concept of "order"? And the definition of the word "several"?

[garri-lin]

I went over 50 tons and 50 kg is the order. But still, the difference in inertia is huge.

[Vladimir_2U]

In the future, it was planned to install small rockets with an explosive charge on the ARSS, which, if ice was launched, would start a little earlier than the rocket itself and penetrate wormwood for it.

and the author of these words in the subject understands more than you and me:
About the Developer

Grigoriev Yuri Pavlovich, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, USSR State Prize Laureate, Honored Inventor of the RSFSR, author of 79 inventions and two scientific discoveries. He worked at KBM for 26 years, 1971-1980. - Deputy Chief Designer of Academician V.P. Makeev for designing - head of the design department of KBM

https://www.arms-expo.ru/news/archive/ot-podvodnogo-starta-k-podlednomu06-06-2013-14-00-00/

[garri-lin]

The submarine deck guard is designed for breaking ice of 2,5 meters. We take it for the most difficult ice situation in which a start by surfacing is possible. What should be the weight of explosives in order to guarantee break through such ice and clear with ice of ice from the remnants of ice. So that the size of the lift was sufficient for the launch of the rocket.

[Vladimir_2U]

You are the recipient of non-modern education, count it. After all, the calculation of the cumulative charge was taught before, not like now.

[garri-lin]

The cumulative charge will not clear with wormwood. This is for reference. There will be massive pieces of ice that need to be disposed of. The weight of the charge in the studio !!!!!

[Vladimir_2U]

Are you an expert on the properties of ice? You don’t really understand about water either. Otherwise, such nonsense would not have been written:

Quote: garri-lin

The mass of the rocket relative to the windage and the mass of your precharge have a difference of several orders of magnitude

Quote: garri-lin

The cumulative charge will not clear with wormwood. This is for reference.

Oh oh I’ll definitely bring it to a sluggish state.

Quote: garri-lin

The weight of the charge in the studio !!!!!

Can you calculate something by this weight? You yourself are not funny? And why are you not interested in the form of charge, brisance, explosiveness? They didn’t even take an interest in the brand of explosives. This is an indicator, yes. Well, for example, haha, 10 kilograms of black powder? What did it give you? Maybe it will at least give something?

In the future, it was planned to install small rockets with an explosive charge on the ARSS, which, if ice was launched, would start a little earlier than the rocket itself and penetrate wormwood for it.

About the Developer
Grigoriev Yuri Pavlovich, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Professor, USSR State Prize Laureate, Honored Inventor of the RSFSR, author of 79 inventions and two scientific discoveries. He worked at KBM for 26 years, 1971-1980. - Deputy Chief Designer of Academician V.P. Makeev for designing - head of the design department of KBM

[garri-lin]

10 kg of black powder will amuse seals. Midshipman sneezes louder. A sloppy state? Without large pieces? Encouraging. Just how many explosives are needed for this? 10 kg? Or 100? Watch videos about ice blasting on rivers. Pay attention to the thickness of the ice and the amount of explosives. And the result.

[Operator]

You are right - the possibility of passing through the ice was realized in the experimental R-39UTTX SLBM, which was supposed to replace the R-29.

Multi-plate tandem solid propellant rocket propeller cracking ice breaking and u-turn missiles weighing 29 kg

[Vladimir_2U]

And you mixed a bunch of two different engines!

Solid rocket cracking system, solid rocket turning system. Engines multi-chamber type "tandem" of all-round combustion with ballistic powder. For example, 3L-91.30.19 and 3L-91.1.10.29.
Fuel Type - Ballistic Solid Fuel
The mass of the engine of the ice breaking system is 29 kg (presumably)

There is no And !!

On this picture

Schematic representation of solid propellant rocket motors of the multi-chamber type "tandem" of all-round combustion with ballistic fuel

, is not at all the engine of either a hacking system or a reversal system, but a conventional engine.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-441.html

[Operator]

You quoted the end of the paragraph from the military (except for the term "conditional"), I am the beginning

[ser56]

Quote from rudolf

. In the head part was located ARSS,

exactly where fairy tales grow from ...

[Vladimir_2U]

And it's not about the R-39, but about the R-39UTTX.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: Operator

Logical decision

That's why only voice in full voice?

Russian nuclear submarines will soon receive special rockets for arsenal to create ice wormwood in the ice for combat missions. Corresponding rockets have already been created and are currently being tested.

Leaking strategic information to a "probable" "partner"? For them to do that too ?!

[Victor_B]

Very interesting!
I do not consider myself a technical genius, but about 40 years ago, when they began to write something about breaking ice in the Arctic, I simply thought that it was being blown up.
Explode with "specially trained" self-propelled products.
Could there really be no means for making artificial wormwood in the Navy?
Maybe NEW, unusual ways have simply been developed?
Maybe because the explosions unmask the ascent?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Victor_B

Could there really be no means for making artificial wormwood in the Navy?

They broke through the torpedoes, the remains of the hull of the boat.

[knn54]

It was like using a device (such as an echo sounder) to look for wormwood (ice thickness no more than 0,5 ... 0,8 m). And then the hull.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Victor_B

Could there really be no means for making artificial wormwood in the Navy?

The task of getting a rocket into the wormwood when the boat is moving from a depth of 50 m is not trivial in itself :)), and taking into account the unpredictable number of fragments in the wormwood after opening it is a difficult task.

ARSS allowed to shoot through the ice of a certain thickness.
Exiting through hummock ice was an unresolved problem when the idea came up to use NURSs for opening wormwood.

So they solved this very difficult problem.
In general, this is a verdict to the adversary - areas of patrolling the PLO under old and hummocky ice - will increase at times, which will require the adversary to also increase the funds of the PLO at times.

[Vladimir_2U]

At the same time, the capabilities of PLO aviation are sharply reduced.

[antivirus]

also, a drilling rig based on two (or all front) torp devices needs to be created - to make tunnels in Antarctica and Greenland. and from under the ice, from land, launch an otvetka through the adversary.

[smaug78]

Again yellow Izvestia. I wish the news turned out to be true, but given that they write Izvestia, it is most likely another fake (((

[iouris]

Nothing has been done yet, and the advertisement has already begun (as if it were an export product).

[aszzz888]

The Russian Navy used standard submarine torpedoes to make ice holes in the ice, but the practice of using torpedoes showed the insufficient effectiveness of this method and the need to create a special ammunition for breaking ice.

It’s time already !!!

[Thrifty]

In general, sometimes, about some developments you need to be silent for a long time and persistently! The government has adopted a number of laws and decrees on the secrecy regime in the field of military development, but it is all in a row that it is totally disclosed. ...

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: Thrifty

In general, sometimes, about some developments you need to be silent for a long time and persistently! The government has adopted a number of laws and decrees on the secrecy regime in the field of military development, but it is all in a row that it is totally disclosed.

Even knowing the principle - it does not give anything.

[JD1979]

Awesomely necessary thing, especially given the statements made by rocket manufacturers more than once that the characteristics of their products, which have no analogues, allow you to launch the latter almost from the pier.
"Megamind" from MO, where are the modern imitators and "Package"? You have boats - take your ass with your bare hands, completely defenseless.

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

They realized this option - the main problem was that the resulting wormwood was full of pieces of ice.

[thinker]

Submarines will be able to launch LDCs not only from the ice position, but also being on the surface.

And where and why on the surface then? Unclear

[asv363]

So what if, in front of our boat, an American comes up? If that - they took it as a target, what are the questions for submariners?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

If the news is true, then it’s very good: it will allow floating pop-up in any desired place in the Arctic. And before that all the time there was a thought about limiting the possibility of ascent: after all, wormwood in the north is not everywhere!

[Guru]

The good news If earlier, to launch a rocket, a submarine had to come up to break ice, but now this will not have to be done. True, they had already tried to cut ice through torpedoes, but the effect was not satisfactory. Developing a full-time system is good news.

[Kerensky]

Just do not understand why rockets? Is it necessary to use a jet engine under water, or is there enough rubber?

[Dikson]

Once upon a time there lived in the USSR an ardent communist science-fiction writer A. Kazantsev ... and so he had heroic captains for piloting a caravan in the Arctic pack ice, simply undermined a nuclear low-power charge and melted all the ice to Benin’s mother ... because the situation when the submarine gets the order for a volley of missiles at the enemy is automatically equated to Armageddon, what's the difference? The main thing is to make a half-moon above the boat .. and with what and how, these are insignificant details ...

[rruvim]

Quote: Dikson

The main thing is to make a half-moon above the boat.

It seems so ... I made a wormwood - lit up. Lights up - in seconds "kirdyk". Everything is tough (at the time of the "crisis" the entire Arctic will be filled with P-8, and amers have more than 120 of them). Only the start of the SLBM itself with ice breaking can compensate for stealth. Bulava does not have this opportunity. It is necessary to "hammer" the hole.

[rruvim]

Here the "operator" wrote correctly here, it was the R-39UTTH that could quite solve the problems (in fact, for this it was created) of breaking the ice cover and so on .. But now the "mace" ...

[lopuhan2006]

The mechanics and type of impact on the ice are interesting. Serious job. Many questions to this method. Unmasking, range, where the launch comes from, the number of shorter slides and movies in the studio.

[lopuhan2006]

Quote: Dikson

Once upon a time there lived in the USSR an ardent communist science-fiction writer A. Kazantsev ... and so he had heroic captains for piloting a caravan in the Arctic pack ice, simply undermined a nuclear low-power charge and melted all the ice to Benin’s mother ... because the situation when the submarine gets the order for a volley of missiles at the enemy is automatically equated to Armageddon, what's the difference? The main thing is to make a half-moon above the boat .. and with what and how, these are insignificant details ...

I reread "The Ice Are Returning" several times and did not pay attention to the ideology, but the tsunami and the nuclear explosion were very memorable.

[garri-lin]

White dwarf, the trend of the season. The strongest thing in the book is the astronaut’s conversation with the autopilot of a patrol rocket. I still remember.

[Operator]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

"Further"

I do not know anything about the future, but I got acquainted with the figure, description and weight of the solid propellant rocket engine for breaking ice. What logically follows the scheme of breaking ice described by me.

By the way, in the comments there is one with particularly valuable information that even the serial R-29 had limited capabilities for breaking thin ice by forcing it through a gas cavity formed by another specialized solid propellant rocket engine.

[lvov_aleksey]

cool hang yourself who's scared