In Ukraine, a new scandal broke out with defective cases for the BTR-4E

In Ukraine, a new scandal broke out with defective cases for the BTR-4E

In Ukraine, another scandal broke out with defective armored vehicles for Ukrainian wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4E. Материал under the heading "New BTR-4 for the army: not yet made, but already cracking at all seams. Why so?" posted on the website of the Ukrainian information and consulting company "Defense Express".


As follows from the material, the company Lozovsky Forge-and-Mechanical Plant LLC (LKMZ, Lozova, Kharkiv Oblast) supplied the Morozov Kharkiv Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering (KHMB) to the first three armored vehicles for the manufacture of new armored personnel carriers BTR-4E. All the armored corps came with a marriage - cracks were found on them. However, the undigested and cracked armor bears the stigma of the 85th military mission of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, demonstrating that everything is in order with these buildings.

Earlier, Ukroboronprom and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine unblocked under state guarantees a contract for the supply of 45 BTR-4 to the Armed Forces, having made an advance payment of 125 million hryvnias. It was stated that all BTR-4s are manufactured using Ukrainian "71" brand armor.

However, the first armored hulls delivered under an unlocked contract already have distinct signs of marriage. This is poor-quality welding, cracks that hide under the paint.

In addition, each of these iron semi-finished products has yet to be “filed” with an enormous loss of time, so that it is possible to install components and assemblies by the assembly teams of KHKBM

- stated in the material.


It is noted that all armored vehicles are branded with the 85th military mission of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, saying that these "products" have passed military acceptance and are ready for the production of armored personnel carriers.

As previously stated in Ukroboronprom, the Kharkiv Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering purchased state-of-the-art steel for the creation of armored vehicles. As a result, it turned out that instead of Ukrainian-made steel, foreign steel was purchased for the creation of the BTR-4E according to a very complicated scheme. During the trial, it was possible to establish that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish intermediary company.


Currently, the armored hulls are made of Ukrainian steel grade "71", which does not meet a number of parameters for the manufacture of armored hulls.
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  1. knn54 24 January 2020 10: 05 New
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    Are the stigmas of Judah.
    1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 10: 13 New
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      In Ukraine, broke out the next scandal with defective armored vehicles for Ukrainian wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4E

      Is it the last? no
      1. WILL 24 January 2020 10: 46 New
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        Welcome hi And why should he be the last? If Steel No Need?
        With gun barrels - the situation is even worse!
        So the song: Armor is strong and tanks are fast to us (s) - not for Ukraine!
        1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 10: 48 New
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          Hello, Lesha! hi
          Quote: ANIMAL
          If Steel No Need?

          That's why I voiced the question, which can be safely called rhetorical. wink
          1. WILL 24 January 2020 10: 53 New
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            I just want to sound the phrase of the taxi driver from the movie Brother Brat2 “There were people like people, and now they are alone ... (they’ll banned)”.
            Such defense industry enterprises ditched .... fool , and maybe for the better request
            1. St Petrov 24 January 2020 11: 02 New
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              Such enterprises of the military industrial complex were ditched .... fool, and maybe for the best request


              we have our own enterprises. and these are our competitors. Which vparivaya their trash at a low price, led away the contracts of our enterprises.

              it's time to wake up.

              There were people like people, and now they are alone ...


              okay, there were other phrases

              1. WILL 24 January 2020 11: 06 New
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                They just built them with the whole country of the USSR, sometimes to the detriment of other republics, and Ukraine went all down ... fool
            2. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 11: 06 New
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              Quote: ANIMAL
              There were people like people, and now they are alone ...

              Paradox. Or a pattern? wink
              1. WILL 24 January 2020 11: 20 New
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                Quote: bouncyhunter

                Paradox. Or a pattern? wink

                The analytics on the non-brothers does not work, Pasha - they have their own national logic!
                1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 11: 21 New
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                  Quote: ANIMAL
                  national logic

                  Is it national? Something for all Russophobia logic - well, right under the carbon copy (or from one training manual)? recourse
                  1. LiSiCyn 24 January 2020 11: 50 New
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                    Hi Paul hi
                    To engage in 25 years - we tint, wash, dust the dust and boil the blacks, or the Arabs .... Just like that, they do not pass.
                    1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 11: 55 New
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                      Salute, Stas! hi drinks
                      Quote: LiSiCyn
                      25 years to do ...

                      ... but there’s no sense in it. wassat
                      1. LiSiCyn 24 January 2020 12: 00 New
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                        Quote: bouncyhunter
                        ... but there’s no sense in it.

                        Well, why, someone filled his pockets. This is certainly a miser. But so stolen, they always sell for 30-50% of the price. And for them, all that remains of the USSR is everything stolen ...
                      2. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 12: 45 New
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                        You understand what I mean by "plainly." wink good
          2. antivirus 24 January 2020 11: 29 New
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            until Novorossia returns to Russia - there will be a marriage .. and how to reunite - so they will immediately bring to mind the army of Ros
            1. Andrzej k 24 January 2020 12: 26 New
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              The best example of the shipyards Bay in Kerch on the Crimean Peninsula. Blossoms and builds ships.
        2. yustas 24 January 2020 15: 23 New
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          Greetings, comrade, and with all the past hi you can correct, "the armor is strong and our tanks are fast, but in the right steel, it just doesn't make sense!" ) wassat drinks
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    3. Andrzej k 24 January 2020 12: 21 New
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      I do not think this is the last.

      If not suitable materials, then the quality of the welds is low.
      It’s just that these plants are poorly managed, experienced personnel have left, and corruption covers everything.

      And yet, ten years ago, Ukraine was a serious exporter of weapons. This is called a fall.
      1. TermNachTer 24 January 2020 19: 31 New
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        It’s just that finding a good welder in Banderland is a problem - everyone has left, some to Poland, some to Russia, and some farther away. Secondly, the quality of the electrodes, the plant during the purchase could save a bit.
    4. TermNachTer 24 January 2020 19: 26 New
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      While in the country a mess, grandmother can be rowed with a shovel. If they find the extreme, they will have time to leave somewhere, from where it will be very difficult to get them.
  2. Olgovich 24 January 2020 10: 23 New
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    Quote: knn54
    Are the stigmas of Judah.

    Not certainly in that way...
    We read:
    on uncooked and cracked armor stigmatized 85th military mission of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, demonstrating that with these corps everything is good.

    Our people work SUCCESSFULLY! yes
  • Igor Borisov_2 24 January 2020 10: 13 New
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    Well, there’s nothing to comment on ....
    1. Thrall 24 January 2020 11: 14 New
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      Standard Ukrainian reverse ... this time the reservation smile
  • Ravil_Asnafovich 24 January 2020 10: 14 New
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    During the trial, it was possible to establish that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish intermediary company. The Poles stole good Finnish steel, and sold their own.
    1. dvina71 24 January 2020 10: 27 New
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      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      The Poles stole good Finnish steel, and sold theirs.

      Is it steel?
      In the photo, where a crack is seen, a section of metal ..
    2. Alexey RA 24 January 2020 13: 31 New
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      Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich
      During the trial, it was possible to establish that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish intermediary company. The Poles stole good Finnish steel, and sold their own.

      The previous armor scandal was even steeper: they bought Belgian armor through the Poles, which in fact turned out to be Russian (NLMK) wear-resistant steel used for the production of mining, transport and agricultural equipment. laughing
  • Strashila 24 January 2020 10: 22 New
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    "steel that is not appropriate for a number of parameters", so they save on everything. It is necessary to conduct research on welding modes, but who needs it, the main thing to get money in your pocket.
    1. Mikhail3 24 January 2020 14: 24 New
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      Who will spend? Who then will carry out the routing? Such work requires high-class technologists, as well as high-class welders. Where to get such, if they were cut unknown when? And those who did not shrink, they themselves escaped, because no one thought to pay them ...
  • Free wind 24 January 2020 10: 33 New
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    Steel 71 it is not armored, but spring, if my memory serves me, well, so it was written in the documentation. It has nothing to do with springs, it’s very fragile, it boils very poorly, and may burst next to the seam. The bottom photo shows that the steel burst next to the seam. brewed, and I would have molded plasticine green and painted over, Th city fence smile
    1. 24rus 24 January 2020 10: 46 New
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      Putty does wonders)
    2. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 12: 19 New
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      Quote: Free Wind
      Steel 71 it is not armored, but spring

      I read about the Ukrainian "steel 71". They position her exactly like armor. Only they themselves acknowledge that it is prone to the formation of “cold cracks”. How to avoid cracks? Observe the technological mode of welding - preheating up to 300 degrees including. And here the cracks remind me of those that I saw when one "super-welder" tried to weld ШХ bearing steel. Or it looks like a rail - it also bursts without preparation, anyhow it gets next to welding.
    3. Shkworen 24 January 2020 14: 59 New
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      why then is it called spring if it has nothing to do with springs? :)
      1. Free wind 24 January 2020 15: 40 New
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        Without a clue, but it was so in the documents for the supply of rolled steel 71, but maybe ours were already chemical, I don’t know, at the metal warehouse they warned that steel was not a fountain.
    4. Strashila 24 January 2020 16: 01 New
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      perhaps steel is designed not for welding, but for the classics, for riveting.
      1. Free wind 24 January 2020 16: 20 New
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        At present, almost any metal and alloys, steel, aluminum, copper, etc., are welded, subject to the work technology of course.
        1. Strashila 24 January 2020 16: 31 New
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          Here the question is purely technical, much is cooked by welding, a matter of technology.
          But, as they say, you need to think. Welding is only a part, preparation for the process and work after welding, the release of seams.
          With a high degree of probability, Soviet steels allowed operation without tempering after welding.
          Therefore, the factory did not have equipment for tempering the welds or the process itself, as such, was excluded from the routing for the sake of economy.
  • bars1 24 January 2020 10: 37 New
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    As they say: you won’t drink skill!
  • rocket757 24 January 2020 10: 55 New
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    "mow the greens" in any way ... then the shoals of others disentangle, and the greens are already bye-bye.
  • kind 24 January 2020 11: 03 New
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    Of course, they’re welders with hand-welders, but where is the instrumental control of the seams ???
    1. Strashila 24 January 2020 16: 03 New
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      "and where is the instrumental control of the seams ???", and in the same place where is the stress relief in the welds.
  • aszzz888 24 January 2020 11: 06 New
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    All the armored corps came with a marriage - cracks were found on them.
    But in the summer it’s not hot, draft! laughing
  • rotfuks 24 January 2020 11: 29 New
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    Finnish steel is something new. Does anyone believe that Finland has open-hearth furnaces and rolling mills?
    1. Alexey RA 24 January 2020 13: 35 New
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      Quote: rotfuks
      Finnish steel is something new. Does anyone believe that Finland has open-hearth furnaces and rolling mills?

      Those who know about Ruukki and Outokumpu.
    2. sgapich 24 January 2020 13: 52 New
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      Quote: rotfuks
      Finnish steel is something new. Does anyone believe that Finland has open-hearth furnaces and rolling mills?

      There are quite a few. Ruukki (until 2013 called Rautaruukki Oyj) makes Ramor 300/400/450/500/550/600 armored steel.
      Small booklet on Ramor 400/500:
      http://balistikzirhceligi.com/_files/ramor/Ramor-protection-steel.pdf
  • Ru_Na 24 January 2020 11: 30 New
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    They would still fasten the armor plates with tape, and what, quickly and cheaply, and the quality will do!
    1. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 12: 23 New
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      They would still tape the armor plates together

      I remember that by the time the IAEA commission arrived in Fukushima, cracks in concrete were sealed with cardboard and painted “under concrete”. They were embellished ... And these will be completed until the crew remains on the road, and the equipment itself will go in different directions.
  • Prisoner 24 January 2020 11: 40 New
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    And what's wrong with that? what This is wonderful. Push there Bandera punishers and let them ride until the first shot.
  • novobranets 24 January 2020 12: 10 New
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    Is he new? In my opinion this is a continuation of the old.
    1. Alexey RA 24 January 2020 13: 38 New
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      Quote: novobranets
      Is he new? In my opinion this is a continuation of the old.

      Not ... the old one was with wear-resistant steel from the Russian NLMK purchased through Poland in Belgium.
      And with purchases of steel through Poland in Finland, this is a new scandal.
      Campaign, Panels on the BTR-4 get rich. laughing
  • Naval 24 January 2020 12: 25 New
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    During the trial, it was possible to establish that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish intermediary company.

    And what do you want from the country 404, which country, or rather the dummy of the country, such and virtual production.
  • Amateur 24 January 2020 13: 21 New
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    What do we need? It is proposed to frustrate for the difficult fate of the brothers and to shame the military representative?
    Why print such articles at all. no
  • Fishery 24 January 2020 14: 17 New
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    technological degradation .........
  • VicktorVR 24 January 2020 14: 50 New
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    I do not see cracks, I see lack of fusion at the seams. Are welders with hands and experience all in Europe?
  • yustas 24 January 2020 15: 25 New
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    Quote: bouncyhunter
    ... but it won’t get any sense

    Well, why not then? There is a good sense, there is no dust, the paint is fresh, and you can paint over cracks with fresh paint)
    1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 15: 32 New
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      Quote: yustas
      cracks can be painted with fresh paint

      A new type of armor? wink
  • 1001 24 January 2020 16: 25 New
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    The USSR’s inheritance has already sold everything .. And now they are trying to suck in their own brains under this brand .. Eh Outskirts have become famous all over the world already ..
    And now, after the United States recognized Bandera as a Nazi criminal, everyone in the world will now talk about Ukraine .. "And this is the area where the Nazi was declared a hero and torchlight processions are held .."
  • lvov_aleksey 25 January 2020 22: 53 New
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    so they are already afraid of fireworks?)))