In Ukraine, a new scandal broke out with defective cases for the BTR-4E

In Ukraine, another scandal broke out with defective armored vehicles for Ukrainian wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4E. Material under the heading "New BTR-4 for the army: not yet made, but already cracking at all seams. Why so?" posted on the website of the Ukrainian information and consulting company "Defense Express".

As follows from the material, the company Lozovsky Forge-and-Mechanical Plant LLC (LKMZ, Lozova, Kharkiv Oblast) supplied the Morozov Kharkiv Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering (KHMB) to the first three armored vehicles for the manufacture of new armored personnel carriers BTR-4E. All the armored corps came with a marriage - cracks were found on them. However, the undigested and cracked armor bears the stigma of the 85th military mission of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, demonstrating that everything is in order with these buildings.

Earlier, Ukroboronprom and the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine unblocked under state guarantees a contract for the supply of 45 BTR-4 to the Armed Forces, having made an advance payment of 125 million hryvnias. It was stated that all BTR-4s are manufactured using Ukrainian "71" brand armor.

However, the first armored hulls delivered under an unlocked contract already have distinct signs of marriage. This is poor-quality welding, cracks that hide under the paint.

In addition, each of these iron semi-finished products has yet to be “filed” with an enormous loss of time, so that it is possible to install components and assemblies by the assembly teams of KHKBM

- stated in the material.

It is noted that all armored vehicles are branded with the 85th military mission of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, saying that these "products" have passed military acceptance and are ready for the production of armored personnel carriers.

As previously stated in Ukroboronprom, the Kharkiv Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering purchased state-of-the-art steel for the creation of armored vehicles. As a result, it turned out that instead of Ukrainian-made steel, foreign steel was purchased for the creation of the BTR-4E according to a very complicated scheme. During the trial, it was possible to establish that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish intermediary company.

Currently, the armored hulls are made of Ukrainian steel grade "71", which does not meet a number of parameters for the manufacture of armored hulls.

Comments

[knn54]

Are the stigmas of Judah.

[bouncyhunter]

In Ukraine, broke out the next scandal with defective armored vehicles for Ukrainian wheeled armored personnel carriers BTR-4E

Is it the last?

[WILL]

Welcome And why should he be the last? If Steel No Need?
With gun barrels - the situation is even worse!
So the song: Armor is strong and tanks are fast to us (s) - not for Ukraine!

[bouncyhunter]

Hello, Lesha!

Quote: ANIMAL

If Steel No Need?

That's why I voiced the question, which can be safely called rhetorical.

[WILL]

I just want to sound the phrase of the taxi driver from the movie Brother Brat2 “There were people like people, and now they are alone ... (they’ll banned)”.
Such defense industry enterprises ditched .... , and maybe for the better

[St Petrov]

Such enterprises of the military industrial complex were ditched .... fool, and maybe for the best request

we have our own enterprises. and these are our competitors. Which vparivaya their trash at a low price, led away the contracts of our enterprises.

it's time to wake up.

There were people like people, and now they are alone ...

okay, there were other phrases

[WILL]

They just built them with the whole country of the USSR, sometimes to the detriment of other republics, and Ukraine went all down ...

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: ANIMAL

There were people like people, and now they are alone ...

Paradox. Or a pattern?

[WILL]

Quote: bouncyhunter

Paradox. Or a pattern?

The analytics on the non-brothers does not work, Pasha - they have their own national logic!

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: ANIMAL

national logic

Is it national? Something for all Russophobia logic - well, right under the carbon copy (or from one training manual)?

[LiSiCyn]

Hi Paul
To engage in 25 years - we tint, wash, dust the dust and boil the blacks, or the Arabs .... Just like that, they do not pass.

[bouncyhunter]

Salute, Stas!

Quote: LiSiCyn

25 years to do ...

... but there’s no sense in it.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: bouncyhunter

... but there’s no sense in it.

Well, why, someone filled his pockets. This is certainly a miser. But so stolen, they always sell for 30-50% of the price. And for them, all that remains of the USSR is everything stolen ...

[bouncyhunter]

You understand what I mean by "really".

[antivirus]

until Novorossia returns to Russia - there will be a marriage .. and how to reunite - so they will immediately bring to mind the army of Ros

[Andrzej k]

The best example of the shipyards Bay in Kerch on the Crimean Peninsula. Blossoms and builds ships.

[yustas]

Greetings, comrade, and with all the past can be corrected, "the armor is strong and our tanks are fast, but in the right steel, it just makes no sense!" )

[Andrzej k]

I do not think this is the last.

If not suitable materials, then the quality of the welds is low.
It’s just that these plants are poorly managed, experienced personnel have left, and corruption covers everything.

And yet, ten years ago, Ukraine was a serious exporter of weapons. This is called a fall.

[TermNachTer]

It’s just that finding a good welder in Banderland is a problem - everyone has left, some to Poland, some to Russia, and some farther away. Secondly, the quality of the electrodes, the plant during the purchase could save a bit.

[TermNachTer]

While in the country a mess, grandmother can be rowed with a shovel. If they find the extreme, they will have time to leave somewhere, from where it will be very difficult to get them.

[Olgovich]

Quote: knn54

Are the stigmas of Judah.

Not certainly in that way...
We read:

on uncooked and cracked armor stigmatized 85th military mission of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, demonstrating that with these corps everything is good.

Our people work SUCCESSFULLY!

[Igor Borisov_2]

Well, there’s nothing to comment on ....

[Thrall]

Standard Ukrainian reverse ... this time the reservation

[Ravil_Asnafovich]

During the trial, it was possible to establish that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish intermediary company. The Poles stole good Finnish steel, and sold their own.

[dvina71]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

The Poles stole good Finnish steel, and sold theirs.

Is it steel?
In the photo, where a crack is seen, a section of metal ..

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ravil_Asnafovich

During the trial, it was possible to establish that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish intermediary company. The Poles stole good Finnish steel, and sold their own.

The previous armor scandal was even steeper: they bought Belgian armor through the Poles, which in fact turned out to be Russian (NLMK) wear-resistant steel used for the production of mining, transport and agricultural equipment.

[Strashila]

"steel not corresponding in a number of parameters", so they save on everything. It is necessary to conduct research on welding modes, and who needs it, the main thing is to get money for his pocket.

[Mikhail3]

Who will spend? Who then will carry out the routing? Such work requires high-class technologists, as well as high-class welders. Where to get such, if they were cut unknown when? And those who did not shrink, they themselves escaped, because no one thought to pay them ...

[Free wind]

Steel 71 it is not armored, but spring, if my memory serves me, well, so it was written in the documentation. It has nothing to do with springs, it’s very fragile, it boils very poorly, and may burst next to the seam. The bottom photo shows that the steel burst next to the seam. brewed, and I would have molded plasticine green and painted over, Th city fence

[24rus]

Putty does wonders)

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Free Wind

Steel 71 it is not armored, but spring

I read about the Ukrainian "steel 71". They position it exactly like an armored one. Only themselves admit that it is prone to the formation of "cold cracks". How to avoid cracks? Observe the technological mode of welding - preheating up to 300 degrees including. And here cracks remind me of those that I saw when one "super welder" tried to weld bearing steel ШХ. Or it looks like a rail - it also bursts at random next to welding without preparation.

[Shkworen]

why then is it called spring if it has nothing to do with springs? :)

[Free wind]

Without a clue, but it was so in the documents for the supply of rolled steel 71, but maybe ours were already chemical, I don’t know, at the metal warehouse they warned that steel was not a fountain.

[Strashila]

perhaps steel is designed not for welding, but for the classics, for riveting.

[Free wind]

At present, almost any metal and alloys, steel, aluminum, copper, etc., are welded, subject to the work technology of course.

[Strashila]

Here the question is purely technical, much is cooked by welding, a matter of technology.
But, as they say, you need to think. Welding is only a part, preparation for the process and work after welding, the release of seams.
With a high degree of probability, Soviet steels allowed operation without tempering after welding.
Therefore, the factory did not have equipment for tempering the welds or the process itself, as such, was excluded from the routing for the sake of economy.

[bars1]

As they say: you won’t drink skill!

[rocket757]

"they mow the greens" in any way ... then the other shoals are disentangled, and the greens are already bye-bye.

[kind]

Of course, they’re welders with hand-welders, but where is the instrumental control of the seams ???

[Strashila]

"and where is the instrumental control of the seams ???", and where is the stress relief in the welded seams.

[aszzz888]

All the armored corps came with a marriage - cracks were found on them.

But in the summer it’s not hot, draft!

[rotfuks]

Finnish steel is something new. Does anyone believe that Finland has open-hearth furnaces and rolling mills?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: rotfuks

Finnish steel is something new. Does anyone believe that Finland has open-hearth furnaces and rolling mills?

Those who know about Ruukki and Outokumpu.

[sgapich]

Quote: rotfuks

Finnish steel is something new. Does anyone believe that Finland has open-hearth furnaces and rolling mills?

There are quite a few. Ruukki (until 2013 called Rautaruukki Oyj) makes Ramor 300/400/450/500/550/600 armored steel.
Small booklet on Ramor 400/500:
http://balistikzirhceligi.com/_files/ramor/Ramor-protection-steel.pdf

[Ru_Na]

They would still fasten the armor plates with tape, and what, quickly and cheaply, and the quality will do!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Ru_Na

They would still tape the armor plates together

I remember that by the time the IAEA commission arrived at Fukushima, the cracks in the concrete were covered with cardboard and painted "like concrete." They finished painting ... And these will be completed to the point that the crew will remain on the road, and the equipment itself will go in different directions.

[Prisoner]

And what's wrong with that? This is wonderful. Push there Bandera punishers and let them ride until the first shot.

[novobranets]

Is he new? In my opinion this is a continuation of the old.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: novobranets

Is he new? In my opinion this is a continuation of the old.

Not ... the old one was with wear-resistant steel from the Russian NLMK purchased through Poland in Belgium.
And with purchases of steel through Poland in Finland, this is a new scandal.
Campaign, Panels on the BTR-4 get rich.

[Naval]

During the trial, it was possible to establish that the steel was not Ukrainian, but Finnish, and it went through a Polish intermediary company.

And what do you want from the country 404, which country, or rather the dummy of the country, such and virtual production.

[Amateur]

What do we need? It is proposed to frustrate for the difficult fate of the brothers and to shame the military representative?
Why print such articles at all.

[Fishery]

technological degradation .........

[VicktorVR]

I do not see cracks, I see lack of fusion at the seams. Are welders with hands and experience all in Europe?

[yustas]

Quote: bouncyhunter

... but it won’t get any sense

Well, why not then? There is a good sense, there is no dust, the paint is fresh, and you can paint over cracks with fresh paint)

[bouncyhunter]

Quote: yustas

cracks can be painted with fresh paint

A new type of armor?

[1001]

The USSR’s inheritance has already sold everything .. And now they are trying to suck in their own brains under this brand .. Eh Outskirts have become famous all over the world already ..
And now, after the United States recognized Bandera as a Nazi criminal, everyone in the world will now talk about Ukraine .. "And this is the area where the Nazi was declared a hero and torchlight processions are being held .."

[lvov_aleksey]

so they are already afraid of fireworks?)))