“The Russians had to abandon the traditional layout”: Sohu presented a review of SHAK-12


In Chinese Sohu, representatives have their own version of the review of the Russian automatic shooting complex ASH-12, aka SHAK-12. We are talking about a machine gun with a caliber of 12,7 mm, manufactured by Izhmash specialists. Since 2011, this is a small weapon is in service with special units of the FSB of Russia.


In Sohu notes that weapons are primarily effective in battles in a limited space, in urban environments. At the same time, a high striking ability of a bullet fired from ShAK-12 is stated.

From a review in the Chinese media:

Even the heavy body armor will not save from the ammunition of the Russian ShAK-12. The terrible power of a large-caliber bullet allows, if not to pierce it, then ultimately destroy the internal organs from the strongest mechanical impact. A peculiar “violent aesthetics” is inherent in this machine.

The author notes that due to the special purpose of such weapons, "the Russians had to abandon the traditional layout." This refers to the use of bullpup layout - with a trigger located in front of the ammunition store.

From the article:

The idea of ​​such an assault rifle was to avoid accidental injuries of civilians during a special operation if weapons were used. Earlier during anti-terrorist operations, due to the use of previous versions of small arms, there could be a large number of “attendant” victims.

It is indicated that the 12,7 mm caliber is unique to assault rifles and machine guns.

Further, the author in Sohu notes the shortcomings of the Russian rifle complex SHAK-12. In particular, we are talking about small-capacity stores (10 or 20 rounds) - because of the need to maintain the compactness of weapons. Additionally, a relatively low aiming range was announced, although it was initially noted that for an operation in urban conditions, the aiming range of an automatic shooting range of 300-350 m is more than an appropriate option.
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  1. seti 24 January 2020 08: 46 New
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    Good stuff. What did they get to him? In assault actions, caliber 12.7 is the most. And the wall will break through and heavy body armor. The main thing is skillful hands and a cold head.
    1. abrakadabre 24 January 2020 08: 55 New
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      And the wall will break through and heavy body armor
      Depends on the weight of gunpowder. If the hitch is like for an anti-aircraft machine gun or a new-fangled anti-material rifle (and the sleeve is appropriate), then there the half-building of the modern one will break through to the fly. And if the hitch is to minimize the associated losses, then it should stop at half a brick.
      1. Mountain shooter 24 January 2020 09: 58 New
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        Quote: abrakadabre
        Depends on the weight of gunpowder.

        Special cartridge. 12.7 × 55 ... recoil like 12 gauge “smooth” ...
        1. Simargl 24 January 2020 14: 52 New
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          recoil like a 12 gauge “smooth” ...
          There is no information about anything: I shoot 28 g on plates (23 g my MP-156 does not reload) and the recoil is noticeable after 100, or 38 g can be with maximum attachment and obturation, then even the second shot is a masochist’s dream ... I can’t imagine how to shoot from an MP-153 12GA89 projectile in 64 g ...
        2. abrakadabre 25 January 2020 10: 11 New
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          In the same sleeve, you can pour a different amount of gunpowder. If you fill up to the maximum volume, then it will already be an ivory cartridge. And if at a minimum, then a humane cartridge.
    2. Starover_Z 24 January 2020 09: 23 New
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      Quote: seti
      Good stuff. What did they get to him? In assault actions, caliber 12.7 is the most. And the wall will break through and heavy body armor. The main thing is skillful hands and a cold head.

      What did you dig? Another envy! Yes, probably because they don’t have it yet, that’s all.
      1. Kalmar 24 January 2020 11: 00 New
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        Quote: Starover_Z
        What did you dig?

        It seems that no one was digging, just a brief note in a very positive way.

        Quote: Starover_Z
        Another envy! Yes, probably because they don’t have it yet, that’s all.

        I mean, no? Here: https://www.shopalexanderarms.com/50_Beowulf-Rifles.html - even for civilians do))
        1. Starover_Z 24 January 2020 11: 43 New
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          The question was actually not mine, I quoted it as a quote. The AR-15 is for some reason shorter than the ShAK-12 and lighter, but it also has a caliber of 5,56. But probably the bullets from the SHAK will not ricochet.
          1. Shurik70 24 January 2020 13: 45 New
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            I remember Robocop practiced ricocheting to hit the terrorist behind the hostages. But he clearly had a small caliber and endless ammo.
        2. Simargl 24 January 2020 19: 14 New
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          Quote: Kalmar
          I mean, no? Here: - even for civilians do))
          6V7-KOS is also nothing, but very expensive, and not self-loading.
      2. Stalllker 24 January 2020 12: 39 New
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        They have a rocket launcher of this caliber laughing
    3. Vasyan1971 24 January 2020 12: 07 New
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      Quote: seti
      Good stuff. What did they get to him?

      So we will wait for the Chinese sandpiper to praise his swamp ...
    4. Chaldon48 24 January 2020 12: 20 New
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      So it is, the main detail of any weapon is the head of its owner.
    5. rotkiv04 24 January 2020 14: 39 New
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      They criticize, criticize and, as usual, lick, but the copy will again turn out to be complete shit
  2. Azazelo 24 January 2020 08: 47 New
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    Regular SOKHU pearls ... and the tanks are not very good here, and the engines on the planes are bad, now the machine is not right. Tolley is a matter of Chinese fakes of all the bad from Russia, both better and cheaper .... the tank biathlon really never won, but it's all there spray ...
    1. Zoldat_A 24 January 2020 09: 12 New
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      Quote: Azazelo
      Regular SOKHU pearls ... and the tanks are not very good here, and the engines on the planes are bad, now the machine is not right. Tolley is a matter of Chinese fakes of all the bad from Russia, both better and cheaper ...

      Here they will make a “unlicensed copy” of SHAK-12 (they will end up, simply put) - a trunk from silumin - then SOKHU will say that their device of generation 8 +++++++ is eighteen and a half times better than the Russian one.
  3. Ravil_Asnafovich 24 January 2020 08: 49 New
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    And they have a Chinese wall, not a wall, and what ???
  4. Invoce 24 January 2020 08: 49 New
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    SHAK-12 is so popular with foreign "experts" that it is even mentioned in science fiction novels about the post-apocalyptic world, including foreign authors.
    And this suggests that the weapon is worthy, and likely "friends" are closely monitoring everything that could complicate their life in combat conditions.
    Would not be worthy of attention - no one would have discussed
    1. Passing 24 January 2020 14: 42 New
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      Even more popular is the Desert Eagle. He is also hoo. Just do not put them into practice ...
  5. sergo1914 24 January 2020 08: 53 New
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    Violent aesthetics is our chip. The legacy of the USSR.
  6. Mountain shooter 24 January 2020 09: 07 New
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    Let them silently envy. The most powerful thing for fighting in a limited space. Layout they don't like laughing
    1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 09: 09 New
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      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Let silently envy

      That says it all . hi
  7. demo 24 January 2020 09: 20 New
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    Further, the author in Sohu notes the shortcomings of the Russian rifle complex SHAK-12. In particular, we are talking about small-capacity stores (10 or 20 rounds) - because of the need to maintain the compactness of weapons.

    It is difficult for the Chinese to understand the meaning of our proverbs (by the way, it is also difficult for us to have them).
    "In one fell swoop, seven beatings."
    Why carry hundreds of rounds if you can stack a whole group with one !?
    1. Pike 25 January 2020 01: 11 New
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      The publication is silent that a small number of cartridges are leveled by two-barrel and even (possibly) three-bullet cartridges for this weapon.
  8. Alex_Rarog 24 January 2020 09: 23 New
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    Yes, from the plush 12.7, not even every wall will save not like a bulletproof vest.
    1. uav80 24 January 2020 10: 06 New
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      Immediately there is not a 12,7 * 108 cartridge, but only 12,7 * 55 it has an initial bullet speed of 3 times lower, and the energy is almost 10 less than that of a 7N34 cartridge ...



      SC-130 cartridge even in RSh-12 revolvers use ...

      1. Alex_Rarog 24 January 2020 10: 36 New
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        About the revolver vkurse. The largest of which was shot by a tikka hunter under 308.lm with a hunting cartridge punched a steel sheet 20 mm thick, of course, steel is not armored but still an indicator. And now, even if it is purely concluded that what the 12.7 bullet is capable of and even armor-piercing, for example, I personally would not want to experience even an armor-strike from it ....
        1. missuris 24 January 2020 21: 24 New
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          12.7x55 is a subsonic analogue of 308. or 7.62x51 or 7.62x54R, no more, automatic 12.7x55 is even easier. armor with 4+ class nato, 6a, and 6br 12.7x55 will not break. because the same 6Br is designed for 12.7x108 from 50 meters
  9. Chingachguk 24 January 2020 09: 35 New
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    Violent aesthetics ..... Well said! But should camomiles be drawn on these weapons?
    1. Izotovp 24 January 2020 10: 57 New
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      It’s good! Such, in camouflage colors, but daisies)
  10. Ros 56 24 January 2020 09: 47 New
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    Chinese nonsense can not wait to be sent to the forest, you might think they were sitting next to the developers.
  11. Zaurbek 24 January 2020 12: 54 New
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    Rifled 12 gauge ..
  12. Incvizitor 24 January 2020 14: 55 New
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    small-capacity stores (10 or 20 rounds)
    Well, 20 I think it’s quite normal, probably the shotgun-like drum seems to be more inconvenient to take.
  13. Puhly67 24 January 2020 17: 35 New
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    and the shoulder will beat off)))
  14. Klmn 25 January 2020 18: 37 New
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    In general, 12 gauge was not created for punching walls, and steel plates. Just a stopping moment for such a bullet is magnificent, made to bring the enemy out of the battle due to pain, or Grozhdansky if it could hook you could pump it out. and not so that at the exit a bullet would rip out the spine from the rib (well, so as not to paint blood), that's why there is not much gunpowder.