Russia is a leader in the development of hypersonic weapons. True?

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Have a break in hypersound


On December 24, 2019, as part of an expanded meeting of the board of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Russian President Vladimir Putin made a statement that probably made Western partners think.

“Today we have a unique situation in our new and latest stories: catching up with us. No country today has hypersonic weapons in general, and continental-range hypersonic weapons even more so, "

- quoted the leader of Izvestia.



As the president stated, hypersonic "Dagger" already represented in the army, and in addition, the equipment of the first regiment began with the Avangard hypersonic intercontinental complex. The plans include Zircon, which some experts see as revolutionary and "ultimate" weapons. Almost the “wunderwaffe” of the XNUMXst century (why this is not so, we will tell later).

Let's start with the main question: what is this “hypersonic weapon”? For example, can the UGM-133A Trident II (D5) American ballistic missile warhead be called hypersonic? In fact, the question is complex and multifaceted. If you try to answer briefly, then a full-fledged hypersonic aircraft should be able to fly in the atmosphere with hypersonic speed and maneuver using aerodynamic forces. That is, to maintain the highest speed until the moment the target is hit, which, of course, will greatly interfere with its interception or even make it impossible. Probably the most famous example is the U.S. X-51A Waverider. However, it remained experimental, and the results could be called "ambiguous" - and this is with the technological level and financial capabilities of the United States!


The problem is the difficulty of providing controlled flight at hypersonic speed, when a plasma is formed at the surface of the device, literally enveloping it. Among the most important fundamental problems and contradictions are the heating of gas to incredibly high (up to several thousand degrees) temperatures, as well as the need to combat the screening effect of a cloud of hot plasma surrounding a rocket. Now let's see what Russia boasts of.

"Dagger"


Characteristics (hypothetical):

Type: aeroballistic rocket.

Carriers: MiG-31K fighter-interceptor.

Range of destruction of the complex: about 1000 kilometers (excluding carrier range).

Rocket flight speed: up to 10 M.

The mass of the warhead: 500 kilograms.

The full name of the complex - X-47M2 "Dagger". Most likely, the president told the truth about the presence of the complex. “Dagger” is a rare case of a “secret” Russian strategic complex, which we could see in all its glory. As evidence of the presence of troops and combat readiness, we can recall the recently conducted tests of the X-47M2 in the Arctic.

“The tests took place in mid-November. The missile was launched at a ground target located at the Pemboy training ground from the MiG-31K carrier aircraft, taking off from the Olenegorsk aerodrome. ”

- said then TASS informed source.


Another question is whether it is correct to call the modernized Iskander a hypersonic weapon. As can be clearly seen in the pictures, the rocket does not have a ramjet, similar to the one we see on the aforementioned X-51A. And although the Dagger can develop hypersonic speed in some areas, this probably does not apply to all sections of the flight, especially when precise guidance is required on the target. Recall that the latter are the ships of the probable enemy - not the most “agile” targets, but quite capable of standing up for themselves thanks to the presence of powerful air defense.

"Zircon"


Characteristics (hypothetical):

Type: hypersonic cruise missile.

Carriers (potential): nuclear submarines, as well as surface ships with 3C14 universal launchers.

Range of destruction of the complex: from 400 to 1000 kilometers.

Rocket flight speed: up to 8 M.

The mass of the warhead: 300-400 kilograms.

Is the Zircon PR justified by the media? Yes and no. First, you need to understand that this missile is only being tested and it cannot be put on a par with the same “Dagger”. Secondly (and this is a more serious difficulty in terms of evaluation) we have not yet seen the new product “live”. Images available on the Web are in fact images of American hypersonic missiles - and then often hypothetical.

And then what is there? Perhaps the only material evidence of the existence of the Zircon is the transport and launch containers shown in November 2019, located on board the Admiral Gorshkov frigate: in general, they are very similar to those that should be used for Zircon hypersonic missiles. It is a lot or a little, decide for yourself. Most likely, the rocket really exists, but how effective it can be used is another matter.


Avanhard


Characteristics (hypothetical):

Type: guided combat unit.

Carriers: intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) UR-100N UTTH (in the future - RS-28 Sarmat).

Range: Intercontinental.

Rocket flight speed: up to 20 M.

Warhead power: from 800 kilotons to two megatons.

According to Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in December, the Russian Avangard hypersonic system was put on combat duty.

"Flies like a pancake on water, leaves space to atmosphere and back,"

- military specialist Dmitry Litovkin explained to Sputnik radio.

You can, of course, just believe the information about unique weapons, which are not afraid of any existing or even promising missile defense. However, not knowing in detail the characteristics of the hypersonic unit in all parts of the flight, doing so would be reckless.


Experts say that instead of the usual six warheads of the UR-100N missile, Russia actually received one. And since his ability to fly in the atmosphere at hypersonic speed and maneuver using aerodynamic forces has not been proven, the criticism seems reasonable. Recall that, according to some observers, after entering the atmosphere, the Vanguard can turn into an uncontrollable “brick”, so it’s difficult to talk about development (compared to Soviet missiles) in this case. But, again, these are just assumptions, albeit with good reason.

So can Russia be considered a leader in the development of hypersonic weapons? As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, the statement of Vladimir Putin is an exaggeration. And although the ability of some missiles and warheads to develop hypersonic speed is not in doubt, they should not be considered something revolutionary. Especially until the appearance of confirmed characteristics.
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  2. +3
    24 January 2020 05: 55
    What kind of alarmist article? Author - you personally Need to invite to all tests of a new weapon? If you do not know something, this does not mean that this is not! Unfortunately, I can’t put a minus article ...
    1. +12
      24 January 2020 07: 46
      Someone just wants to find out the secrets, suddenly someone on the site has some kind of media blab angry
      1. +2
        24 January 2020 09: 44
        As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, the statement of Vladimir Putin is an exaggeration.

        Even trolling articles appear, because the lag of the West in hypersound is real.
        1. +6
          24 January 2020 14: 35
          Quote: figvam
          As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, the statement of Vladimir Putin is an exaggeration.

          Even trolling articles appear, because the lag of the West in hypersound is real.

          Given the fact that even during the Soviet Union there were very serious developments on the hypersonic cruise missile X-90. Weight 15 tons, march speed from 2 to 4,5 M, range 3000 km.
          It was a cruise missile with a folding triangular wing and a fuselage, almost completely given over to a ramjet engine. The missile, according to the descriptions, was supposed to be equipped with a starting solid propellant rocket propulsion system and a marching engine air-propelled rocket engine or scramjet engine on kerosene.
          And two warheads of 200 kT. Now let them think.
          And the fact that there is no direct-flow jet engine at the dagger, so it is not needed even if it goes well on the 10M ..... they came up with axioms for themselves ... but this is not a standard solution .. smile
          Let itchy now in all immodest places .. smile
        2. +11
          25 January 2020 16: 15
          I will not give an assessment to the article.
          Wrote and wrote.
          But the questions raised in the pack are important.
          Any thinking person, and I personally consider myself one of them, always asks the question: where is the truth and where is the lie?
          I always need to understand that my opponent - an interlocutor in a cafe or the President from the TV screen (he is our opponent) is telling the truth.
          If in doubt, ask the interlocutor for details.
          You analyze, draw conclusions.
          It is difficult to ask the President of the Russian Federation.
          Therefore, there are articles that try to make an analysis in the future, conclusions.
          The alarmist or cheers-patriotic article - this does not cancel the desire to understand - we are simply reassured by beautiful horror stories for overseas partners, or everything is, in fact.
          1. -4
            26 January 2020 06: 14
            Quote: demo
            I will not give an assessment to the article.
            Wrote and wrote

            Quote: demo
            we are simply reassured by beautiful horror stories for overseas partners, or everything is so, in fact.
            What did you want to say?
      2. +1
        25 January 2020 10: 15
        Campaign article is custom-made. Other people fail. Under the USSR, we also concealed the characteristics of weapons.
        1. 0
          26 January 2020 14: 41
          Quote: VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
          Campaign article is custom-made. Other people fail. Under the USSR, we also concealed the characteristics of weapons.

          State Department ordered
      3. 0
        25 January 2020 18: 36
        Not only secrets, but also a leak. Both. And with provocation.
    2. +12
      24 January 2020 09: 08
      Quote: Hunter 2
      What kind of alarmist article? Author - you personally Need to invite to all tests of a new weapon? If you do not know something, this does not mean that this is not! Unfortunately, I can’t put a minus article ...

      what I agree 100%, that's just not alarmist, but custom ... Yes
      Another question is whether it is correct to call the upgraded Iskander a hypersonic weapon.? As can be clearly seen in the pictures, the rocket does not have a ramjet, similar to the one we see on the aforementioned X-51A.

      an "expert" opinion ... what
      Is the Zircon PR justified by the media? Yes and no. First, you need to understand that this missile is only being tested and cannot be put on a par with the same "Dagger".

      laughing
      So can Russia be considered a leader in the development of hypersonic weapons? As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, Vladimir Putin's statement is an exaggeration
      laughing
      The abundance of "experts" who reasonably intelligently about what is, but according to their opinion should not be ...
      The purpose of this article is clear even without a prejudice towards the author ... Foul Russian science, industry, sprinkle GDP, and finally Russia and the people ...
      Well, we are so miserable that according to the author, wishful thinking is a gas station ..
      Fu ... here is the haven of liberal-defeatist "democrats" and trolls of all stripes ... I foresee a storm of minuses laughing
      1. +2
        25 January 2020 04: 40
        Quote: Invoce
        I foresee a storm of cons

        Well, not so many liberals and patriotic guards on the site to make a storm. And the article is undoubtedly a custom article and a provocation for a "talk" of someone from the insiders about undisclosed.
        Here is "Zircon" - well, how many feathers have been consumed on it ... and in the report of the American intelligence community to its Congress in black and white, the history of development and confirmed facts of tests (successful). Including it is mentioned that the FIRST test of "Zircon" was ... from an air carrier - Tu-22M3.
        And it has much more basing options than a ship \ submarine - air (up to 22 on board Tu-3M4M), ground-based as part of anti-ship complexes and (possibly) as part of Iskander-M systems.
        And the warheads on the UR-100UTTH are not "one", as the author has scribbled, but three. And it has always been so declared. IN EACH OFFICIAL MESSAGE.
        And the qualified foe has NO doubts about the characteristics of the "Dagger", because his companions are BDYAT. And if Putin made a false statement, unconfirmed by practical shooting, he would be immediately laughed at by the OFFICIALS of the Pentagon and the US State Department.
        But this is NOT.
        On the contrary, they have mounting anxiety and even ... panic. For there is nothing to answer.
        And this fact is immutable.
        So it remains to order such "doubting" bloggers crooked articles.
        If there is NO hypersound.
        And there is NO best practices.
        They are now 10-15 years old to catch up.
        For quite objective reasons.

        And regarding the appearance of "Zircon", let him turn to the forum member from Israel "Voyaka Uh", he posted his photo from the exhibition just yesterday or the day before yesterday.
        ... And the Israeli Voyak for the Russian "hurray-patriot" certainly does not take - he is a patriot of his country.
        drinks
        1. +1
          27 January 2020 20: 23
          on Tu-22M3M up to 4 pcs. on board

          Well, 2 under the wing - this is understandable,
          and where, excuse me, do you propose to fix 2 more things there, just became curious? request
          1. 0
            27 January 2020 23: 56
            I’m not suggesting anything. The number of "Zircons" on board was announced - 4 pieces. The payload just comes out, but how to place it?
            Firstly, only on the external sling, because the supersonic bomb doors cannot be opened, and it will be launched at supersonic sound.
            Secondly, no one can interfere with placing on the Tu-22M3M not two, but four suspension units - or two underwing pylons, or a mount under the fuselage (which is more likely). But this is exactly the maximum load. A sortie can also be with two missiles and an additional fuel tank in the fuselage, which will increase the combat radius or time to search for the target \ barrage.

            Since only 30 aircraft are planned to be upgraded (possibly the construction of their next modification will be resumed, talk is ongoing), we will hardly see an armada of hundreds of aircraft, but together with the MiG-31 they will be able to launch every 1,5 - 2 hours (standard for MiG-31) from a safe distance along the ships and stationary targets of the enemy. This is a very high performance.
      2. +7
        25 January 2020 17: 19
        . The purpose of this article is clear even without a prejudice towards the author ... Foul Russian science,
        Yes, really straight to cheat. You go to the echo forum, they give me a peck, and here the author writes very correctly and politely, or do you want to ban criticism, will we eat what they give?
    3. +19
      24 January 2020 10: 05
      Quote: Hunter 2
      What kind of alarmist article?

      And what alarmist did you see in her? The author gives more or less known facts and gives them his assessment. Was the picture not bright enough? Well, I'm sorry that there is - that is.

      Quote: Hunter 2
      If you do not know something, this does not mean that this is not!

      But it does not mean that it is. Loud statements by leaders of different ranks - this is undoubtedly very nice, but scratching your tongue is not a mess.
      1. +9
        24 January 2020 10: 31
        Quote: Kalmar
        The author gives more or less known facts and gives them his assessment.

        laughing And you are a joker, my friend!
        A “dagger” can develop hypersonic speed this, probably, does not apply to all sections of the flight.
        Characteristics (hypothetical)
        Likelyrocket really exists
        according to some observers
        it is only assumptions,

        Therefore..
        Quote: Kalmar
        tongue scratching - do not roll bags

        And in this I very much agree with you!
        1. +10
          24 January 2020 10: 54
          Quote: Serg65
          Therefore..

          So this was also discussed: there is vanishingly little evidence of Russian hypersound. And the thesis about Russia's exceptional superiority in this area is based solely on such "supposedly", "most likely", etc. Those. on nothing.
          1. +4
            24 January 2020 11: 00
            Quote: Kalmar
            in Russian hypersound is vanishingly few confirmed dataх

            Which is amazing! Under the Union, if only they thought about it, how they would have prepared a shkonka for you at the Lubyanka!
            And right now, freedom !!! Give data on ballistics !!!! Give the engine data !!! Give...!!! Ahhh, do not give? So you're lying!
            1. +16
              24 January 2020 11: 07
              Quote: Serg65
              When the Union would only think about it

              Under the Union, real products were made, not cartoons about nuclear rockets.

              Quote: Serg65
              And right now, freedom !!! Give data on ballistics !!!! Give the engine data !!! Give...!!! Ahhh, do not give? So you're lying!

              Well, let's say there is a T-50 plane. It really is: it was shown at the MAX, and in the sky I saw it, and its expected characteristics are published. You somehow believe in it right away even without the shkonk at Lubyanka.

              There are "Calibers": they are shown at MAKS, the characteristics are published, there is no doubt about the reality of the missiles of this complex either.

              And "is" "Zircon"; it seems like only two things can be said about it: it is hypersonic (the main feature, after all) and fits into the ZS14 (otherwise it would simply not be needed). Everything else: the range, the mass of the warhead and even the banal appearance, are speculations and fantasies, there are no official data. Do you feel the difference?
              1. -2
                24 January 2020 12: 44
                Quote: Kalmar
                there is a T-50 plane

                There is! And at MAX it was shown! Why did they show it? And what to promote for export! laughing And you thought you showed it only to prove to you that it is?
                Quote: Kalmar
                There are "Calibers"

                And with the Caliber the same story as with the T-50! But Zircons, Daggers, Avngards for export, no one is going to promote !!!
                Quote: Kalmar
                Do you feel the difference?

                what
                1. -5
                  24 January 2020 13: 21
                  Why did they show it? And what to promote for export! laughing


                  And the truth is funny .. From the category - because I came up with ....

                  And here are Zircons, Daggers, Avangards for export none not going to promote !!!

                  That's about what really exists out of this - they don’t show us ..
                  And what will be assembled where to deliver - you personally whispered Shoigu ..))
                  1. +1
                    24 January 2020 13: 33
                    Quote: Roman070280
                    And what will be assembled where to deliver - you personally whispered Shoigu ..))

                    Of course! We have ZAS one for two wink
              2. +1
                25 January 2020 05: 28
                Quote: Kalmar

                And "is" "Zircon"; it seems like only two things can be said about it: it is hypersonic (the main feature, after all) and fits into the ZS14 (otherwise it would simply not be needed). Everything else: the range, the mass of the warhead and even the banal appearance, are speculations and fantasies, there are no official data. Do you feel the difference?

                The range, weight of warheads to you and to citizens of the WORLDWIDE was personally reported (!) By the head of the Russian State.
                This is of course not enough for you!
                Well, yes, it’s clear, you’ll put all the technical documentation and invite you to the tests.
                But the fact is that the US intelligence community has no doubts about Putin's words. Moreover, in his reports to the US Congress he provides evidence with dates, flight characteristics of tests and carriers. So they claim that the first test of "Zircon" was from ... AIR carrier, namely - Tu-22M3. Successful. In 2012! And they also reported on subsequent tests - where, when, at what range, speed, success ...
                You did not report this?
                Then all claims to the US intelligence community.
                Quote: Kalmar
                Under the Union, real products were made, not cartoons about nuclear rockets.

                Cartoons about nuclear-powered rockets were filmed in the United States much earlier. About 15 years ago! And they showed it on Discovery.
                You did not see ?
                This is a minus of your curiosity.
                It narrated (a full-size documentary) about the developments of the 60s, with frames of bench tests, with animations of combat use ... IT WAS SORRY that the project was abandoned ... And not out of humane considerations of radiation hazard, but quite the contrary - radiation contamination of the area (this was especially emphasized) on the territory of the enemy was considered even more preferable than harmful ... ICBMs just appeared.
                But at the same time, it was stated about the possibility and DESIRE of resuming this project. Rare humanity.

                And now I think, if not then - 15 years ago, a desire arose to renew our similar project.
                After all, no one knew what they said and would not do.
                I didn’t know that their strategy of "Rapid Global Strike" with the help of hypersonic missiles in huge numbers would fail. They really worked on it.
                But it didn’t.
                The USA didn’t succeed in any hypersound project NOW!
                And in Russia-it turned out.
                AND THEY KNOW THIS.
                To believe or not to believe is a matter of religion.
                hi
                1. -7
                  25 January 2020 17: 26
                  The range, weight of warheads to you and to citizens of the WORLDWIDE was personally reported (!) By the head of the Russian State.

                  The head soared himself before the election, and when the fools chose him, he raised their pensions. Such is the fate of the idiots they are often deceived.
                  1. -2
                    25 January 2020 18: 19
                    Quote: nickname7
                    The head hovered himself before the election,

                    Did you give him a broom in the bathhouse?
                    Quote: nickname7
                    and when the morons chose him,

                    Whose head and what citizenship do these mysterious voters have?
                    Quote: nickname7
                    he raised their pensions.

                    It is very noble for an unknown chapter to thank my voters.
                    Quote: nickname7
                    Such is the fate of the idiots they are often deceived.

                    Are you not happy for your friends? Or who do they tell you?
                    Or are you complaining?

                    And if you are a sinful case about Putin, then (as an adult) you should know that the GOVERNMENT raised the retirement age for you and all citizens of Russia. And the Duma.
                    And Putin, if you didn’t forget, WAS AGAINST.
                    And he criticized the government for this.
                    And fired THIS government.
                    And he insists on CANCELING the external management of Russia.
                    Through changes to the Constitution.
                    So that no more World Bank, International Monetary Fund and other external structures would take it into their heads to "rule Russia" - to raise the retirement age, raise taxes, restrict the state's rights in spending OWN funds, so that they do not go into the family and school, do not impose their own rules and morality!
                    You still do not understand this?
                    Then I sincerely feel sorry for you.
                2. +1
                  27 January 2020 18: 48
                  Quote: bayard
                  The range, weight of warheads to you and to citizens of the WORLDWIDE was personally reported (!) By the head of the Russian State.

                  In numbers, how much? Something intelligible data is not found anywhere. "Approximately 300-1000 km" and all that.

                  Quote: bayard
                  This is of course not enough for you!

                  No offense: the speeches of the head of the State of Russia have long been of little trust in me. But this is a completely different story.

                  Quote: bayard
                  But the fact is that the U.S. intelligence community does not doubt Putin's words. Not only that - in his reports to the US Congress he gives evidence with dates, flight characteristics of the tests and carriers

                  Will you treat me with links? Or the intelligence community will personally send you copies of the reports. Or does "intelligence community" mean any media like the National Interest? And then, they wouldn’t report all sorts of horrors to the Congress: we must somehow knock out funding for new toys.


                  Quote: bayard
                  Cartoons about nuclear-powered rockets were filmed in the United States much earlier. About 15 years ago! And they showed it on Discovery.
                  You did not see ?

                  I saw why not. As far as I remember, they even carried out bench tests of NRE. The military, in the end, was not particularly interested, and NASA did not seem to have any money for such toys.

                  Quote: bayard
                  I didn’t know that their strategy of "Rapid Global Strike" with the help of hypersonic missiles in huge numbers would fail. They really worked on it.
                  But it didn’t.

                  And there is no feeling that it was not asked for a banal reason: it is not necessary. Well, seriously, if you look closely, the Americans have no real need for hypersound. For large fish (RF, China) there are an abundance of ICBMs, for smaller fish - a monstrous military machine, including a colossal military fleet. For the conventional American "zircon" in these conditions, there are simply no tasks, so they are sawing this topic without much fanaticism, for the sake of prestige.

                  Quote: bayard
                  And in Russia-it turned out.

                  Well, this is how the Zircons will be put into service, how they will put them on at least a couple of serious ships (we do not consider RTOs from the Caspian Flotilla in this capacity), then it will be "IT WAS".
                  1. +2
                    27 January 2020 22: 44
                    Quote: Kalmar

                    In numbers, how much? Something intelligible data is not found anywhere. "Approximately 300-1000 km" and all that.

                    About numbers. The first figures were from the Americans - their satellite tracked the first Zircon launches at a distance of about 400 km. , from that moment (2012 - 2013), this figure went for a walk, who just did not replicate it. And then there was a report by the head of state (with cartoons), when the Zircon's range was named "over a thousand kilometers." Of course, one can assume that "the president is lying", but at this level they don't just throw in numbers - if necessary, it was possible to do with general phrases.
                    I’ll try to justify this particular figure (I already did this at VO). There is such a thing as fuel efficiency ramjet, depending on the speed and altitude. So, at hypersonic speeds from a certain moment, fuel efficiency steadily grows with increasing speed. That is, with a turbojet engine, fuel efficiency decreases with increasing speed, since the engine runs on afterburner and resistance increases with speed, but in the case of a turbojet engine with a speed of 4,5 - 5 M or higher, fuel efficiency increases with the actual speed. That is, with the same fuel supply on board at a higher speed, you can fly a greater distance.
                    The Zircon has approximately the same dimensions and starting weight with the Onyx, which also has an ATRM, but the speed is about 2,8M. Therefore, with approximately equal fuel reserves, "Zircon" is expected to fly further.
                    Range "Onyx" 550 - 600 km. for a high-profile flight, the upgraded Onyx-M fueled with more high-calorie fuel (this was basically the modernization) - 800 km.
                    Therefore, it is not surprising that the Zircon, which has approximately equal dimensions but is multiples of the speed, and has a large range, since its speed mode provides greater fuel efficiency. And therefore, at a distance of 1000 - 1100 km. there is nothing surprising.
                    The United States is now suffering huge image losses due to Russia's leadership, and therefore they would not fail to catch Putin in a lie or inaccuracy. But this does not happen. On the contrary, the report to Congress provides facts with time, place, speed and range, as well as the success of the tests. Yes, and banal calculation and comparative extrapolation show that these figures are quite likely and achievable.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    No offense: the speeches of the head of the State of Russia have long been of little trust in me. But this is a completely different story.

                    It is noticeable and many people think in a similar way now - after the pension reform. Therefore, one should only believe in confirmed data taken from various sources. I do it. Moreover, those who knew about the Soviet Cold program before, are not surprised by the news about Zircon - these developments have been going on for many, many years, work has been carried out, stopped and resumed, and is now being poured into a fairly easy-to-use ammunition.
                    They were inconvenient for a long time, but they are ... inconvenient, in terms of size and method of combat use.
                    I am old enough to remember hypersonic subjects ... back in the bearded 60s - 70s.
                    I won’t give you links, I don’t keep them, and I certainly don’t read
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    National Interest

                    Quote: Kalmar
                    Well, then, if they had not reported any horrors to Congress: it’s necessary to somehow beat out the financing of new toys.

                    It's about something else. An engineer and just a technically competent person is interested in "hardware", and money, the budget is for financiers.
                    Of course they scare. Of course they steal. It has always been so, and especially in America.
                    But there is a rocket, it successfully flies, hits targets, maneuvers, but there are "moments" when it is placed on the ship - it has a too powerful starting accelerator and at the start can damage the UKSK or even the ship itself. Now they are working on a soft start with less thrust. Mortar launch from UKSK is not provided, and not every rocket will withstand it. Shock overload. request
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    I saw why not. As far as I remember, they even carried out bench tests of NRE. The military, in the end, was not particularly interested, and NASA did not seem to have any money for such toys.

                    All these bench trials were in the 60s - both with us and with us, but after the ICBMs appeared that delivered warheads faster and more compelling (even a nuclear weapon could easily be shot down by the KR), all this topic was closed. Not practical.
                    In the USSR, work continued a little longer (not by much) but was also closed.
                    In astronautics there were also experiments, on the stands they were preparing for interplanetary flights. But everything was closed.
                    The feasibility of CDs with a nuclear ramjet engine is doubted by many. And including me. Therefore, the purpose of this product is a mystery to me. It is much simpler and cheaper to create a CR of intercontinental range (an enlarged version of the X-101 with a range of up to 10 km.) And such work was carried out. Moreover, the dimensions of the Tu-000 are designed specifically for such a missile (weapons compartment).
                    But technically, this rocket (with a nuclear-powered rocket engine) can be made. In addition, for a relatively long time before the announcement of the presence of such a rocket (project \ demonstrator \ prototype \ ditch), I remember there was a commotion about the appearance over Russia of a large zone of "contamination" by a certain isotope, which for testing turned out to be not at all dangerous to humans. According to the results of the analysis of this isotope in the west, they came to the conclusion that Russia was testing an apparatus with an open nuclear reactor - PNRD. So something definitely flew and the footage of this flight is not a fake.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    And there is no feeling that it was not asked for a banal reason: it is not necessary. Well, seriously, if you look closely, the Americans have no real need for hypersound. For large fish (RF, China) there are an abundance of ICBMs, for smaller fish - a monstrous military machine, including a colossal military fleet. For the conventional American "zircon" in these conditions, there are simply no tasks, so they are sawing this topic without much fanaticism, for the sake of prestige.

                    So it was before. The Americans really did not have a rival on the planet. Therefore, they did not need supersonic hypersonic anti-ship missiles, and they also considered hypersonic missiles for BGB superfluous, especially since they failed the tests.
                    Frivolity?
                    Cost rationalization?
                    If everything remained as it was, it might have blown, but Russia has new "unbreakable" missiles, advanced air defense systems, over-the-horizon radars capable of detecting any "stealth" and even very small missile launchers, and China also has: ICBMs, hypersonic missile defense systems blocks for medium-range missiles ... and a HUGE fleet is being built, at an absolutely unimaginable pace - 4 times more in tonnage per year than the United States.
                    Here they regretted the lost time. Because the development was simply not conducted. And convulsions and throwing began ... They certainly can create something. In 10 to 15 years. But not earlier - they simply don’t have any groundwork for this, they’ll have to start all work from scratch.
                    And I respect the American engineers of the 50s - 80s very much, it was a very strong and sophisticated opponent.
                    Quote: Kalmar
                    Well, this is how the Zircons will be put into service, how they will put them on at least a couple of serious ships (we do not consider RTOs from the Caspian Flotilla in this capacity), then it will be "IT WAS".

                    I am afraid that we will soon wait for the land and air versions of it, although of course it is needed on ships. This will be a completely new state of the fleet.
              3. kpd
                +4
                25 January 2020 12: 31
                When the Union flew the M-50 parade once, do not remind me how many of them were in service?
          2. +1
            28 January 2020 20: 46
            Quote: Kalmar
            So this was also the case: according to the Russian hypersound, there is a vanishingly small number of very poorly confirmed data.

            --------------------
            Why? If you dig deeper, you can find. Another question is that all this is former Soviet. Here's the "Vanguard", or rather its carrier "Stilet": https://fishki.net/2543439-mezhkontinentalynye-ballisticheskie-rakety-ur-100n-utth-ss-19-stilet-vozvrawajutsja.html
            Hypersonic blocks are not entirely new, but just partly sequels and remakes of the 1980s.
            Warheads enter the atmosphere at speed 5 - 7 km / s (18000 - 25000 km / h)leaving behind a bright train. In addition to warheads, there may also be anti-missile defense systems on board the RGM, for example, false warheads. -quote from Wiki. Already hypersound, then over time apparently give it a new configuration, new geometry and control.
        2. +5
          24 January 2020 11: 46
          A “dagger” can develop hypersonic speed this, probably, does not apply to all sections of the flight.
          Characteristics (hypothetical)
          Likelyrocket really exists
          according to some observers
          it is only assumptions,


          The author cites more or less known facts and gives them his rating


          Everything is just like that..
          Or is someone willing to provide other facts ??
          Someone said something from the TV ... what is flying in space ... like a pancake ... you can't shoot it down ... we are the best on the planet, and so on blah blah blah ..
          Some immediately rush to applaud ..

          Others are trying to give this scratching of their tongues ..
          1. +14
            24 January 2020 13: 44
            Some immediately rush to applaud .. Others ...


            I agree. The article is about that. About the question "Uncle Vova, to whom and why did you tell all this?"
            And if you think about it, then to us, the people. Not US intelligence, not Florida housewives. And to us. Now the second part of the question is why? And then, that everything else and so everyone can see and not too happy, and then the elections were on the nose (al have forgotten everything?). And the calculation is simple and correct. A bit of truth, a bit of half-truth with embellishments - part of the people will believe and sigh "Okay, for this you should be patient" Some will scream - "lies !!!"
            And that's all. It is for this sake - "Okay, we will tolerate" And about the fact that "now we will roll out America !!!". So before they could, as they did us. Without "Zircons" with 300 kg jointer.
            1. +2
              24 January 2020 18: 14
              Aleksey from all comments your most logical and close to the truth
              1. 0
                25 January 2020 09: 00
                Yes, that’s just about everything in reality, bravo!
      2. +6
        24 January 2020 11: 41
        Yes normal article ..
        View from the side ... what is called, neither ours nor yours .. But just a sober assessment ..
        That is why bricks fell from the "patriots" ..
        1. -2
          24 January 2020 12: 39
          Quote: Roman070280
          That is why bricks fell from the "patriots" ..

          You, Roman, are presumably a baker and Trotskyist ....
          this..
          Quote: Roman070280
          just a sober assessment ..

          Can you provide other facts that are different from mine?
          1. 0
            24 January 2020 13: 10
            You, Roman, are presumably a baker and Trotskyist ....
            this..
            Can you provide other facts that are different from mine?


            I can’t .. because, to be honest, I don’t even understand what these words are about ..
            Maybe I'm a Trotskyist .. I was not interested in this .. or maybe not .. So your facts are somehow dubious .. And they have little to do with the topic ..
            1. -2
              24 January 2020 13: 21
              Quote: Roman070280
              your facts are some dubious

              From what, after all, you cannot refute them, so based on your promise, I’m right!
              1. -2
                24 January 2020 13: 24
                I repeat for the inattentive - Maybe I'm a Trotskyist .. I was not interested in this .. or maybe not .. So your some facts doubtful .. although maybe you're right ..
                1. -3
                  24 January 2020 13: 28
                  Quote: Roman070280
                  although maybe you're right

                  Of course he is right! Trotskyite Belolentochnik! Definitely! laughing
                  1. +3
                    24 January 2020 13: 37
                    If it’s easier for you ..))
                    Personally, I'm too lazy to google this topic, and engage in introspection, and here I looked at a completely different topic ..
                    1. -3
                      24 January 2020 13: 43
                      Quote: Roman070280
                      Yes, and here I looked at a completely different subject.

                      what Yes, yes ... of course, I understand! bully
      3. mvg
        +4
        25 January 2020 11: 42
        but scratch your tongue - do not toss bags

        One of the few adequate comments. The remaining patriots dash "think of the continuation yourself." I don’t want to insult much ...
    4. -14
      24 January 2020 12: 10
      Ilya, should I send you the secret documents and the rocket model home? Secret mode - have you heard of this? Have you ever held secret documents in your hands in your life? Be glad that they give you the opportunity to talk about these developments! And, site administration, please return the opportunity to negative articles! This article deserves a wagon of cons.
      1. +3
        24 January 2020 17: 09
        Theft is best covered by secrecy, the mediocrity of people and their lies.
    5. -11
      24 January 2020 12: 16
      Quote: Hunter 2
      What kind of alarmist article?

      The article is not "alarmist", but provocative: what if someone who has access will buy and start posting real information for the sake of likes. It doesn't matter if there are grounds for doubts and belittling of the official position, or not. Well, let's!
      1. -1
        24 January 2020 17: 12
        And then there is nothing to spread.
        But the Americans had something to lay out and they even posted a video with a test of their similar rocket and did not hide behind secrecy.
        1. dSK
          0
          25 January 2020 10: 36
          In China, a military expert Lei Jie declared superiority in the pace of development of China’s hypersonic project over its counterparts in the United States and the Russian Federation with the country's relatively small technological capabilities. According to him, Beijing managed to break into the leaders in this industry. 25/01/2020.
    6. 0
      24 January 2020 14: 27
      Quote: Hunter 2
      What kind of "alarmist" article ?.

      Come on, article as an article. On the eve of another I was outraged. In one show, Mr. Gozman cleverly announced that all statements of the Russian leadership regarding hypersonic weapons are fictitious. belay The question is, who are you? - missile specialist? No, ask this “specialist" on this topic a couple of children's questions and it will completely freeze! fool But it doesn’t matter, the main thing is to “constructively criticize” things in which you don’t understand belmes ...
    7. +1
      24 January 2020 17: 00
      The author gives more or less known facts and gives them his assessment.

      also from the category - "more or less" smile
    8. -5
      24 January 2020 20: 18
      Quote: Hunter 2
      What kind of alarmist article? Author - you personally Need to invite to all tests of a new weapon? If you do not know something, this does not mean that this is not! Unfortunately, I can’t put a minus article ...

      Yes, Alexey. This is already in the order of things .. Still do not understand? ..
      New manuals came to see .. "We have no weapons of counteraction, and in general we slurp soup with bast shoes ..." And the bloody regime of Putin needs to be changed, to Navalny or Medvedev .. And grace will come for the liberal Russian people .. he he
      We will repent on our knees before the whole world and we will call .. Rule us, we obey and are ready to suffer punishment .... negative
      1. dSK
        -5
        25 January 2020 10: 46
        Hello Meehan! How is your health?
        When the technologies for guiding the Avangard hypersonic complex to a moving AUG are developed, then the superiority of the states in them will be "zeroed". And everything comes to this, a matter of time.
  3. +6
    24 January 2020 06: 17
    which some experts see as revolutionary and "ultimate" weapons. Almost the “wunderwaffe” of the XNUMXst century (why this is not so, we will tell later).

    a host of these experts account for no less than those who try to refute them (Wh and author of the article)
    Another question is whether it is correct to call the modernized Iskander a hypersonic weapon. As can be clearly seen in the pictures, the rocket does not have a ramjet

    an apparatus capable of flying at speeds above 5M can already be called hypersonic. What does the type of mover have to do with it? Ilya begins to deal with definitions and terminology, without having a special understanding of the subject.
    The problem is the difficulty of providing controlled flight at hypersonic speed, when a plasma is formed at the surface of the device, literally enveloping it. Among the most important fundamental problems and contradictions are the heating of gas to incredibly high (up to several thousand degrees) temperatures, as well as the need to combat the screening effect of a cloud of hot plasma surrounding a rocket

    the possibility of creating a "window" in the flow of a plasma cocoon was announced 10 years ago. And 5 years ago, information about successful experiments on this topic appeared in open sources. The author should have stopped nodding to such "iron" arguments.
    Secondly (and this is a more serious difficulty in terms of evaluation) we have not yet seen the new product “live”.

    a "strong" argument for the above statement laughing
    So can Russia be considered a leader in the development of hypersonic weapons? As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, the statement of Vladimir Putin is an exaggeration.

    I did not see a single argument for this. Ilya again thoughtfully thought about anything. Why write such articles? Swing for a rupe, hit for a penny
    1. +3
      24 January 2020 07: 00
      Quote: Ka-52
      Is it right to call the upgraded Iskander a hypersonic weapon? As can be clearly seen in the pictures, the rocket does not have a ramjet
      [/ I]
      aircraft capable of flying at speeds above 5M
      Is the Dagger, without the MiG-31, anything other than modifications of the Iskander rocket? It looks like not, but no one called the Iskander ballistic missile a "hypersonic weapon." Normal article. A plus
      1. -3
        24 January 2020 08: 45
        It seems not, but no one called the Iskander ballistic missile a "hypersonic weapon."

        the physical ability of the device (GBH) to fly at hypersonic speed is one thing, and the name coined by marketers is another. The 9M723 missile is called quasibalistic in flight profile with the possibility of its adjustment.
        Normal article. A plus

        "normal" article that if Ilya did not see Zircons and Vanguards, then they do not exist in nature. Here is a quick summary of the entire article.
        1. -1
          24 January 2020 09: 11
          And although the ability of some missiles and warheads to develop hypersonic speed is beyond doubt, they should not be considered something revolutionary.
          Here is a brief retelling of the article, not yours:
          Quote: Ka-52
          "normal" article about the fact that if Ilya has not seen Zircons and Vanguards, then they do not exist in nature
          Typical marketers' name: Quasi-Ballistic Rocket. And the 9M723 missile is a guided operational-tactical missile 9M723, and it is called "ballistic" just to distinguish it from the 9M728 missile.
          Quote: Ka-52
          the physical ability of the device (GBH) to fly at hypersonic speed is one thing
          So you didn't answer, is the 9M723 missile a hypersonic weapon or not? After all, the Dagger complex is clearly positioned as a hypersonic weapon.
          1. -5
            24 January 2020 09: 37
            And although the ability of some missiles and warheads to develop hypersonic speed is beyond doubt, they should not be considered something revolutionary.

            based on what? Ilya did not give a single weighty argument (and could not have) in favor of his statement regarding the Zircons and Vanguards.
            we quote his words regarding Zircon:
            Perhaps the only material evidence of the existence of the Zircon is the transport and launch containers shown in November 2019, located on board the Admiral Gorshkov frigate: in general, they are very similar to those that should be used for Zircon hypersonic missiles. It is a lot or a little, decide for yourself. Most likely, the rocket really exists, but how effective it can be used is another matter.

            that is, thoughtful picking in the nose.
            Regarding the combat capabilities of the Vanguard:
            You can, of course, just believe the information about unique weapons, which are not afraid of any existing or even promising missile defense. However, not knowing in detail the characteristics of the hypersonic unit in all parts of the flight, doing so would be reckless.

            and after this frank chewing of the spheroconin, he gives out:
            So can Russia be considered a leader in the development of hypersonic weapons? As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, the statement of Vladimir Putin is an exaggeration.

            and you are engaged in some sort of outright profanity.
            A typical name coined by marketers: a quasibalistic rocket.

            maybe the term ICBM does not exist and is it a purely journalistic term?
            So you did not answer, is the 9M723 missile a hypersonic weapon, or not?

            you turned everything upside down. I talked about the fact that any object (LA, GBCH) flying with hypersonic speed is hypersonic. And call it a hypersonic weapon or not - this is the subjective opinion of everyone. Following the example of 3M-14K / 3M-14T: it flies with 0,8M. But no one calls Caliber a subsonic weapon laughing
            1. 0
              24 January 2020 09: 53
              Quote: Ka-52
              Perhaps the only material evidence of the existence of Zircon is the transport and launch containers shown in November 2019
              Give at least some images of Zircon other than this.

              Quote: Ka-52
              consider them something revolutionary is not worth it

              based on what? Ilya did not give a single weighty argument.
              You, too, have not made a single compelling argument in favor of
              revolutionary
              Dagger or Vanguard. I don’t touch Zircon, if it is a real sample and if it passes the test it is a breakthrough, no doubt.
              Quote: Ka-52
              I talked about the fact that any object (LA, GBCH) flying with hypersonic speed is hypersonic. And to call it hypersonic or not is the subjective opinion of everyone
              Frank profanity and even demagoguery, excuse me, so the BOPS can be safely called a hypersonic weapon or the Soyuz descent vehicle a hypersonic aircraft, because at the beginning of the descent it is many times higher than the speed of sound.
              Once again, the author of the article does not deny the hypersonic speed and even controllability of the described samples, but he doubts revolutionary like weapons.
              1. 0
                24 January 2020 10: 00
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Frank profanity and even demagoguery, excuse me, so the BOPS can be safely called a hypersonic weapon or the Soyuz descent vehicle a hypersonic aircraft, because at the beginning of the descent it is many times higher than the speed of sound.

                A supersonic plane does not develop such speed in all parts of the flight, can we call it supersonic or is it also a profanity?
                1. -3
                  24 January 2020 10: 04
                  Quote: figvam
                  Supersonic aircraft
                  able to develop supersonic speed for a long time, and arbitrarily and repeatedly how to go out on it, and reduce it to subsonic. An incorrect example is perfect.
                  1. -2
                    24 January 2020 10: 23
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    arbitrarily and repeatedly how to go out on it, and reduce it to subsonic.

                    That is, the same rocket must first develop hypersound, then slow down, then accelerate again, only after that it becomes hypersonic? no, if the dagger has been hypersonic for a long time due to the engine and aerodynamic characteristics, then it is hypersonic.
                    1. +2
                      24 January 2020 10: 27
                      Quote: figvam
                      if the rocket goes on hypersound for a long time due to the engine and aerodynamic characteristics, then it is hypersonic

                      Quite right, but is the Dagger such a missile? It is doubtful, and certainly such a missile is not "Vanguard" And even more precisely)) neither one nor the other is revolutionary. What the author writes about. That's all
                      1. -9
                        24 January 2020 10: 47
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Quite right, but is the Dagger such a missile? It is doubtful, and certainly such a missile is not "Vanguard" And even more precisely)) neither one nor the other is revolutionary.

                        And the Dagger, and especially Vanguard, have been going on for a long time in hypersound; there are no missiles of this class in the world.
                      2. +5
                        24 January 2020 10: 52
                        Are you already familiar with the characteristics? Where, if not a secret? And the Vanguard is not a rocket, but a maneuvering unit, what kind of long flight can there be any talk in this case?
                      3. -7
                        24 January 2020 11: 32
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Are you already familiar with the characteristics? Where, if not a secret?

                        Characteristics have long been published and are known to all.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        The vanguard is not a rocket, but a maneuvering unit, what kind of long flight can there be in general in this case?

                        Vanguard flies several thousand kilometers, is that clear?
                      4. 0
                        24 January 2020 11: 43
                        Quote: figvam
                        Characteristics have long been published and are known to all.
                        Well, it’s great again, at what speed the Dagger takes aim at the ship; there is no data; at what range it flies; no data.
                        Avangard is a Russian missile system equipped with a guided warhead [1] [2]. The basis of the equipment is a guided combat unit [what?], Launched to the target using an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) UR-100N UTTH
                        The basis of the complex is a maneuvering BB, and the ROCKET delivers it to the target, it also delivers "ordinary" BBs, no one calls them hypersonic weapons. To what range and with what lateral maneuver the Avangard BB can fly after separation from the missile NO data.
                      5. -6
                        24 January 2020 12: 23
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Well, great again, at what speed does the dagger aim at the ship

                        When you have access to top-secret information, then you will know all the characteristics of the missiles, the dagger range even on Wikipedia is.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        and ROCKET delivers it to the goal,

                        A missile with a given speed brings the warhead to a height of about 1000-1200 km, and from there they just fall to a given point and the missile defense system can bring them down by calculating the trajectory of the warhead, the Vanguard does not fall, it continues a controlled hypersonic flight using its engines and starting from dense atmospheric layers at an altitude of 70-100 km, the missile defense system cannot bring down the Vanguard it’s not possible to calculate the trajectory of the maneuver and the air defense system is useless when approaching the target. unit speed hypersonic.
                      6. 0
                        25 January 2020 19: 10
                        Another couch expert taking data from Wiki ... what can I say. But aplomb something ...
                  2. 0
                    24 January 2020 10: 34
                    Able to develop supersonic speed for a long time, and arbitrarily and repeatedly how to go on it, and reduce it to subsonic.

                    I wonder who deduced such a definition? Or is it another gag? And give in one definition "develop supersonic speed for a long time." Is it an hour, two, three? To develop or maintain a flight?
                    1. -1
                      24 January 2020 10: 35
                      Refute, you are a master of evidence and rebuttal. Or do you think that a supersonic aircraft is not able to do either one?
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                      2. -2
                        24 January 2020 10: 48
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Or do you think that a supersonic aircraft is not able to do either one?
                        For starters, you did not answer this direct question, and crawling from the topic catches your eye.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        and why it’s long and how long it’s impossible to answer and you begin to crawl very frankly from the topic
                        Concorde or Tu 144 as an example will go? Not creeping off the topic? Are you able to find the characteristics on the net or should I enlighten you?
                      3. +1
                        24 January 2020 11: 06
                        For starters, you did not answer this direct question, and crawling from the topic catches your eye.

                        answer a question with a question is visible your corporate identity) is good. A supersonic plane can go on a supersonic flight, no doubt.
                        Concorde or Tu 144 as an example will go? Not creeping off the topic? Are you able to find the characteristics on the net or should I enlighten you?

                        Well, is the Su-27 a supersonic aircraft?
                      4. -3
                        24 January 2020 11: 22
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        Well, is the Su-27 a supersonic aircraft?

                        As I understand it, you want to cling to the duration of a supersonic flight as a defining feature of a supersonic airplane. Yes, the Su-27 is undoubtedly a supersonic aircraft, because it can develop supersonic speed during the afterburner for a significant part of the flight time, in percentage terms, of course, up to running out of fuel.
                        How do you, however, unobtrusively slipped from the topic of hypersound.
                      5. +3
                        24 January 2020 12: 13
                        As I understand it, you want to cling to the duration of a supersonic flight as a defining sign of a supersonic airplane

                        wait, wait, aren't your lines about the characteristics of a "supersonic aircraft":
                        able prolonged time to develop supersonic speed

                        let's not be cunning.
                        but the Su-27 can really reach 1,2-2,5M only using afterburner traction. And now the question is: how much time will pass from the return of the ore to the appearance of a signal for overheating of the remote control? How much time will you fly on supersonic until overheating of hot gas makes you throttle it?
                        So the question is again: what is IN YOUR understanding "to develop supersonic speed for a long time"?
                        I did not catch. I am just showing you how you love to rush into definitions. Like the author of the article
                      6. -1
                        24 January 2020 13: 55
                        I understand you lowered
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        develop supersonic speed for a long time, and arbitrarily and repeatedly how to enter it, and reduce to subsonic
                        and stuck to duration only, although I highlighted randomness and repetition, well, it shows your style. As for the duration of the flight of supersonic aircraft, not specifically designed for cruising in supersonic flight, the long flight, in my understanding, this flight still allows remote control or fuel supply.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        And now the question is: how much time will pass from the return of the ore to the appearance of the overheating signal
                        I do not know these figures, and you are unlikely to give them, however, it is written about the Su-27 that:
                        AL-31F ... ... The engine in flight can be used on all modes without Borders.
                        Satisfies this answer, or Mig-21 remember?

                        Quote: Ka-52
                        I did not catch. I just show you how you love to rush to definitions
                        It is hooked, and not a single unfounded refutation non-revolutionism You did not bring the Vanguard and Dagger.
                      7. +2
                        24 January 2020 14: 20
                        and clung to duration only

                        let's not juggle. I asked you a question based on YOUR STATEMENT. Not his own, not Putin's, not cosmic reptilians. You can’t answer an uncomfortable question - just don’t answer, you don’t need to bite on bent here.
                        the duration of the flight of supersonic aircraft, not specifically designed for cruising in supersonic flight, then a long flight, in my understanding, this flight still allows remote control or fuel supply.

                        To begin with, to answer this question you (if you were related to aviation) should think about the flight altitude. Secondly, it would be worth asking a question: what speed are we talking about: true, track, instrument. Because 1000km / h at an altitude of 3000m is not 1000km / h at an altitude of 12000m.
                        I do not know these figures, and you are unlikely to give them, however, it is written about the Su-27 that:

                        I know the numbers I sewed on which I flew.
                        AL-31F ... ... The engine in flight can be used in all modes without restrictions.

                        Read at least RLE. And then write about "no restrictions".
                        It was hooked, and you did not bring a single unfounded refutation of the non-revolutionism of the Avant-garde and Dagger.

                        Unlike you and Legatus, I’m not going to prove anything at all without information. You have only amazing abilities (TNT will really appreciate it) By photo evaluate the revolution or not the revolution of a particular type of weapon laughing
                        I am taking my leave today, the conversation with you has very entertained me. lol wassat hi
                      8. -5
                        24 January 2020 14: 31
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        I don’t know these numbers, and you’re unlikely to give them, but it’s written about the Su-27 that

                        Quote: Ka-52
                        I know the numbers I sewed on which I flew

                        In general, there will be no numbers, although it would be interesting.
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        AL-31F ... ... The engine in flight can be used in all modes without restrictions.
                        Read at least RLE. And then write about "no restrictions".
                        I quoted an open source. Will there be quotes from the RLE?
                        Quote: Ka-52
                        unlike you and Legat, I’m not going to prove anything at all, having no information
                        You do not prove anything already comments 8-10.
                      9. 0
                        24 January 2020 12: 32
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        in percentage terms by itself, up to fuel consumption.

                        No, for so long he will not be able to fly the afterburner, the engines will fail, which, according to your logic, we can conclude that the Su-27 is not a supersonic fighter.
                      10. -1
                        24 January 2020 13: 56
                        about Su-27 it is written that:
                        AL-31F ... ... The engine in flight can be used on all modes without restrictions.

                        Mig-21 will not remember? Together with Andrei.
                      11. -1
                        24 January 2020 14: 50
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        about Su-27 it is written that

                        As far as I remember, only the Tu-160 can fly in the afterburner mode longer than any interceptor fighter, but what is written is written on the fence.
                      12. -1
                        24 January 2020 14: 55
                        Quote: figvam
                        what is written is written on the fence.
                        Here are your words brilliantly fit your own words:
                        Quote: figvam
                        Characteristics have long been published and are known to all.
              2. 0
                24 January 2020 10: 23
                Give at least some images of Zircon other than this.

                do not smack nonsense, it hurts. I am not the author of the article. You confused me with Legat. He gives statements and must give arguments and evidence in favor of his statement.
                You, too, have not made a single compelling argument in favor of

                in favor of what? That Ilya wrote an uninformative, unproven and meaningless article? Have you not read it? Or can you prove nothing to you? You argue for the sake of argument
                and BOPS can be safely called a hypersonic weapon or the Soyuz descent vehicle a hypersonic aircraft, because at the beginning of the descent it is many times higher than the speed of sound.

                Enough already grimacing. Is the railgun called a hypersonic weapon? His disc is not much different from BOPS. The difference is only in the physics of acceleration. The issue of subjectivity of concepts.
                The speed of the Soyuz rocket carrier at the orbital site should be about 30M. Formally, you can call it hypersonic, dear lover to apply an owl to the globe
                1. -2
                  24 January 2020 10: 32
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  do not smack nonsense, it hurts. I am not the author of the article. You confused me with Legat. He makes statements and must give arguments and evidence in favor of his statement.
                  And you are analyzing his article, completely unproven with it.
                  Quote: Ka-52
                  The issue of subjectivity of concepts.
                  And this is definitely not proof revolutionary neither the Dagger nor the Vanguard, as the author of the article writes about. And with a globe and an owl you are puffing up, I see so.
                  1. -1
                    24 January 2020 13: 58
                    And you are analyzing his article, completely unproven with it.

                    but how to prove zero information received from the article? Anyone can say: I have not seen a rocket, so it doesn’t exist, and there is no statement about Russia's leadership in this area.
                    And this is definitely not a proof of the revolutionism of either the Dagger or the Vanguard, as the author of the article writes about.

                    explain to me HOW, Carl, on the basis of zero information (in which the author admits) can any conclusions be made at all? What place do you think? Do you even return to objective reality at least sometimes?
                    1. -2
                      24 January 2020 14: 24
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      What place do you think
                      You are not rude.

                      Quote: Ka-52
                      explain to me HOW on the basis of zero information (in which the author admits) any conclusions can be made at all
                      You draw some conclusions from the same (and not completely zero) information, and very categorical, why shouldn't the author of the article draw any conclusions.
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      I didn’t see the rocket, so it isn’t there and the statements about the leadership of Russia in this area are bullshit
                      The author doesn’t even have this close, your emphasis is on increased emotionality.
                      Quote: Ka-52
                      What place do you think? Do you even return to objective reality at least sometimes?
                      You quickly slide into rudeness. What is the objective reality, in your opinion, of what the President said? So he broadcast a lot of things publicly and promised, not everything turned out to be true, unfortunately, where are the guarantees that everything about hypersonic weapons is true?
                      1. 0
                        24 January 2020 14: 38
                        The author doesn’t even have this close, your emphasis is on increased emotionality.

                        heh, did you even read the article? Or I added it myself instead of Ilya:
                        We have not seen the new product “live”. Images available on the Web are in fact images of American hypersonic missiles - and often hypothetical.

                        So can Russia be considered a leader in the development of hypersonic weapons? As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, the statement of Vladimir Putin is an exaggeration.

                        ?
                        Stop twisting like that. It should already be a shame that they began to lie frankly
                        What is the objective reality, in your opinion, of what the President said? So he broadcast a lot of things publicly and promised, not everything turned out to be true, unfortunately, where are the guarantees that everything about hypersonic weapons is true?

                        Well, here we come to your only and main argument laughing We would start from this laughing
                        It's not about Putin. And the fact is that when I read material with a claim to objectivity, I would like the author to provide more reasonable arguments, rather than sucked from a finger for a tick. In this article, in addition to fantasies and conjectures, there is NONE A more or less intelligible argument as a confirmation of the conclusion.
            2. -4
              24 January 2020 10: 00
              Quote: Ka-52
              maybe the term ICBM does not exist and this is a purely journalistic term

              Intercontinental ballistic missile as an official term exists, but quasi-ballistic missile as an official term does not, and is at best an "expert" term, level "NI"
          2. -6
            24 January 2020 09: 51
            As far as I understand, the Dagger hypersonic complex consists of an aircraft and a rocket. The complex is hypersonic, its components are not separately.
            Somewhere it was said that the rocket is hypersonic? About the plane, definitely not.
        2. +2
          24 January 2020 23: 24
          Well, you also did not see Zircon and Vanguard live, but this does not prevent you from believing in their existence. So why do you refuse your opponent to have exactly the opposite opinion. It’s like faith in God, both sides did not see him, and the evidence of existence was invented, but this does not prevent some from believing in him and the other is not and both sides are right.
    2. +2
      24 January 2020 08: 53
      Quote: Ka-52
      the possibility of creating a "window" in the flow of a plasma cocoon was announced 10 years ago. And 5 years ago, information about successful experiments on this topic appeared in open sources. The author should have stopped nodding to such "iron" arguments.

      There it is, and how? ,, only a hypothetical possibility was described, no more or less reliable publications about what it was possible to meet or missed, And here the question arises, how is the guidance system implemented on the "zircon", to solve the problem of the plasma cocoon this is not a lobio to eat, it is a discovery at the level of nuclear fission or electricity. So if it's not difficult to post a link I will be very grateful.
      1. -4
        24 January 2020 09: 06
        only a hypothetical possibility was described

        there were already practical bench tests
        and how is the guidance system implemented on the "zircon"

        with this question to Shoigu.
        it’s a discovery at the level of nuclear fission or electricity

        come on. Mathematical models of this process began to be created in the second half of the 90s
        1. 0
          24 January 2020 17: 22
          I didn’t give the link, but I sent it to Shoigu, well done, I got out.
          1. -1
            25 January 2020 10: 12
            And what did you expect from liberda and potheads? Only rubbish pours from their lips. Only "cool" miners are obtained from them. hi
          2. -3
            27 January 2020 04: 32
            Fan-Fan Jan 24, 2020 17:22
            I didn’t give a reference.

            read the link below. Although judging by the contents of your usual whining, you will understand little in the text of the material.
            and sent to Shoigu, well done, he got out.

            Looks like the phrase "and how the guidance system is implemented on the" zircon "you got stuck at the thalamus stage and then did not reach the brain regions responsible for the logic of judgments. Otherwise, HOW it would be possible to conclude that it is impossible to obtain the performance characteristics of the CR, which is under testing. Looks like in your question with the author of the alternative universe of the technical characteristics of the weapons being developed is not a secret and is freely available laughing
      2. -2
        24 January 2020 13: 45
        So if it’s not difficult to throw a link I will be very grateful.

        http://www.parabolicarc.com/2016/02/28/dlr-communication-story/
        There was information on the website of the Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt itself, but apparently it was already archived, but could not be found. He writes that the site was moving and some of the old files are out of date.
      3. -5
        25 January 2020 01: 10
        Yeah! He will throw! But only on the Internet ... a fan. The best way is if they don’t have anything similar, then it’s easier to deny that others have it. This is so in Anglo-Saxon. And most importantly, no responsibility.
    3. -2
      24 January 2020 09: 13
      [quote = Ka-52] [i] [quote] Ilya again thoughtfully thought about anything. Why write such articles? Swing for a ruble, hit for a penny [/ quote]
      Why, why ... Any action has a motive ... some cannot remain silent when something hurts them (feelings, physically or financially), but if nothing directly affects a person, then there must be a strong motive ... what
      Money? the promise of preferences and benefits in the future ??? Yes most likely yes ...
    4. -2
      24 January 2020 12: 14
      The strange question is why write such articles. Add information garbage. If possible, sow distrust in the statements of the first person of the country. Everything is absolutely clear.
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  4. -1
    24 January 2020 06: 35
    And since its ability to fly in the atmosphere at hypersonic speed and maneuver using aerodynamic forces, not proven criticism seems reasonable.

    Question to the author: "Not proven" by whom? merikatos, squealing liberals that this cannot be! , eHsperDami? with no idea in the subject, but having an idea of ​​how to pour. shit on the fan?bully And here I recall the words of a not unknown O. Bender “Maybe you should give me another key to the apartment, where the money is?” hi
    1. -1
      24 January 2020 06: 58
      Yes. And the technological level of the USA is not as high as it seems. In some areas, we have higher with all our mess.
      1. 0
        24 January 2020 07: 18
        It's just that this article is a "hypersound" of the liberda. I would say differently, but the site rules do not allow. To get cookies and a rotten jar of jam, they go to everything and such fake articles. And as far as I am right, the minuses for this comment will show. Forward fans of USA potassium.
        1. -1
          24 January 2020 22: 08
          Wow! I didn’t expect it. 14 bad boys affected by rotten jam from Nuland hang on this resource. In, how hooked!
      2. +2
        24 January 2020 09: 07
        Quote: alstr
        Yes. And the technological level of the USA is not as high as it seems. In some areas, we have higher with all our mess.

        Rather, our scientific level is not lower, or maybe higher, but with a technological problem, these star-striped individuals with low social responsibility have almost 50% of the technology market, and we are 4% according to the most optimistic estimates. This is to put it mildly, and infuriates the scientific level, for all problems it doesn’t much inferior, or maybe even surpasses, but we can’t get profit from it in the form of ready-made technologies, or I hope it doesn’t work out yet.
    2. -2
      24 January 2020 08: 25
      "Not proven" by whom? merikatos, squealing liberals ...

      Yes, just like that, there is no evidence, and there is only the president’s words, but he is also a diplomat, and diplomats yourself know how they can let the fog in, maybe his speech was aimed at misinforming the enemy, or maybe at raising the rating of power within the country, yes the president’s speech had many goals.
      Believing in something or not believing is a personal matter, but it is better to believe in science and technical progress than in fairy tales based on pseudoscientific rubbish. As you remember a few years ago, almost all of Russia believed in that nonsense about the Khibiny, which they say "completely turned off" the destroyer. Just like a magic switch, clicking it and turning off the ship, something is no longer heard about such "clicks". And many people still believe in it.
      1. -1
        24 January 2020 08: 51
        Yes, that's right, there is no evidence, and there are only the words of the president

        only a few pixels on the monitor screen also indicate your existence. But we will not discuss the reality of your existence.
        but it is better to believe in science and technological progress than in fairy tales based on pseudo-scientific rubbish

        The ability to convert energy into a narrow beam of radiation 100 years ago also seemed like a pseudo-scientific rubbish like you. And then Mayman appeared.
    3. -1
      24 January 2020 10: 09
      Quote: aszzz888
      "Not proven" by whom? merikatos, squealing liberals that this cannot be!

      As an option - prove by testing. Show the warhead trajectory, according to which it will be seen that it really knows how to seriously maneuver (of course, it is not necessary to give 100% everything: secrecy Well). Someone immediately ask - why? Well, then: SNF is a deterrence weapon (read: intimidation), it is important not only to have it, but also to do it in a pointed manner, so that the enemy knows and is afraid.
  5. +3
    24 January 2020 06: 39
    Generally it’s stupid to doubt hypersound. Earth, for example, revolves around the sun at a speed of 30km / s or 100mah. Therefore, strictly speaking, we are all here from a bug and a spider to a bear - we are hypersonic units
    1. -5
      24 January 2020 09: 56
      Quote: pru-pavel
      we are hypersonic units

      It is possible that revolutionary! wink
    2. +4
      24 January 2020 11: 16
      Quote: pru-pavel
      Earth, for example, revolves around the sun at a speed of 30km / s or 100mah.

      Are you sure you understand the physical meaning of hypersound? It's about moving in some environment, with a speed 5 or more times the speed of sound propagation in the same medium. The Earth, for a minute, wraps around the Sun in a vacuum; under these conditions, the concept of "hypersound" loses its meaning.

      Quote: pru-pavel
      Generally it’s stupid to doubt hypersound.

      And who doubts him? There are no fundamental restrictions. BB ICBMs enter the atmosphere at hypersonic speeds. They doubt not the hypersound as such, but that someone has already learned how to carry out a long controlled flight at such speeds.
      1. 0
        25 January 2020 19: 38
        . Are you sure you understand the physical meaning of hypersound?

        What does physical meaning mean when it comes to marketing? Do you understand what marketing is?
  6. +4
    24 January 2020 07: 01
    The article is baseless and unproven. The author is based on assumptions. On the other hand, ANY ICBM warhead flying along a ballistic trajectory also exceeds a speed of 5M. But can it be considered her hypersonic weapons? Unlikely. The main requirement for such weapons will be controlled maneuvering in the atmosphere with hypersound. According to Putin's statements and the examples he cited, mentioned by the author, we have this. There is no reason not to believe the statements, and for the year these statements were not refuted, but only confirmed.
  7. 0
    24 January 2020 07: 05
    ...
    ...
    "Dagger"
    Characteristics (hypothetical): ...
    ...
    "Zircon"
    Characteristics (hypothetical): ...
    ...
    Avanhard
    Characteristics (hypothetical): ...
    ...

    As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, the statement of Vladimir Putin is an exaggeration ....

    Can not see. The article is bad, embarrassing for this resource.
  8. +4
    24 January 2020 07: 10
    Let's start with the main question: what is this “hypersonic weapon”? For example, can the UGM-133A Trident II (D5) American ballistic missile warhead be called hypersonic? In fact, the question is complex and multifaceted. If you try to answer briefly, then a full-fledged hypersonic aircraft should be able to fly in the atmosphere with hypersonic speed and maneuver using aerodynamic forces. That is, to maintain the highest speed until the moment the target is hit, which, of course, will greatly interfere with its interception or even make it impossible. Another question is whether it is correct to call the modernized Iskander a hypersonic weapon. As you can see in the pictures, the rocket does not have a ramjet, similar to the one we see on the above X-51A. Fir-trees! Again, twenty-five ... old song as a hit! "If a missile does not have a ramjet, then it is not hypersonic ..."! The Americans said so! Well, well ... let's see what the Americans have (!): 1.HVM> Hyper-Velocity Missile, from English. "Hypersonic missile" - an American hypersonic anti-tank guided missile with laser guidance and a kinetic striking element, and with ... solid propellants!
    2. In addition, the Pentagon conducted tests hypersonic warhead under the Advanced Hypersonic Weapon (AHW) program. "Like" the Russian "Vanguard" ... According to the plan, the AHW is supposed to hit targets with non-nuclear warheads at a distance of up to six thousand kilometers in 30-35 minutes after launch. In this case, the circular probable deviation is not more than ten meters.
    3.Finally, over conventional analogs of the Russian "Dagger" Hypersonic Conventional Strike Weapon (HCSW) and the more innovative Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) - powered by Lockheed Martin.
    1. +1
      25 January 2020 19: 20
      The Pentagon did the tests yes (I'm talking about AHW), but after the unsuccessful launch of the EMNIP in 2014, everything died out. With their technological and financial capabilities. And only last year a contract was signed for a new development of such a unit. And with us - you want Vanguard - voila - here it is. Do you want a dagger - voila - here it is. Want Zircon - the magician immediately takes it out of the cap. This does not happen. Especially with our significant technological, scientific and financial backlog.
      1. 0
        26 January 2020 02: 12
        Well, in my commentary I argued with the Author ... with his "dubious" arguments that he "has the right" to be called hypersonic and what does not ...
    2. +1
      25 January 2020 21: 46
      . Let's start with the main question: what is this “hypersonic weapon”?

      You are guided by ordinary logic, marketing has a different logic. For example, a Chinese radio with the inscription 500 watts, laughing or "Black Friday", when at first prices are increased and then reduced to the previous one and shout-discounts, come on. Or newer ray-traced graphics cards.
      Most of all technologies with big names of dummies, but people buy goods at three expensive.
      Marketing is the manipulation of meanings for the sake of increasing sales.
      The avant-garde is an ordinary slightly improved ICBM, which, for the sake of PR, was called with the loud word "hypersonic".
  9. -6
    24 January 2020 07: 37
    "Vanguard" ... since his ability to fly in the atmosphere at hypersonic speed and maneuver using aerodynamic forces has not been proven, the criticism seems reasonable. Recall that, according to some observers, after entering the atmosphere, the Vanguard can turn into an uncontrollable “brick”, so it’s difficult to talk about development (compared to Soviet missiles) in this case. But, again, these are just assumptions, albeit with good reason. Fir-trees! What the hell is this? Some "Americans" (whom the Author is inclined to trust) "paraffin" "Vanguard" ... and other Americans (!) - create an "analogue" ... (AHW)! How to understand this? "Believe" the stupidity of the Americans, or is there "something" in the ideas of the "vanguards"? "Uncontrollable brick"? Or maybe they were able to benefit from this !? That is, in order to avoid the defeat of the BB by the US missile defense, it is necessary to "vigorously maneuver" ... for this "need" to install a "decent" engine and fuel supply is expensive! Why not take "energy" from "air"? Try jumping "in place" and jumping on a trampoline ... is there a difference?
    1. +1
      25 January 2020 19: 22
      Are you raving?
      1. -1
        26 January 2020 02: 14
        And you ? I just "defended" "Vanguard" in this way ...
  10. 0
    24 January 2020 07: 42
    Images available on the Web are in fact images of American hypersonic missiles - and often hypothetical ones.

    And then what is there? Perhaps the only material evidence of the existence of the Zircon is the transport and launch containers shown in November 2019, located on board the Admiral Gorshkov frigate: in general, they are very similar to those that should be used for Zircon hypersonic missiles. It is a lot or a little, decide for yourself. Most likely, the rocket really exists, but how effective it can be used is another matter.
    Well, why should you panic in advance? request Well, if "Zircon" is dumb, then the United States does not have it either! Parity! wink
    1. 0
      24 January 2020 07: 53
      There is a truth! They still smeared some kind of semi truth !!! And there is information \ sensation from the media ... here in different ways, no worse than OBS!
      And reality is a mystery shrouded in darkness .... or a state secret, which is almost lighter.
  11. +1
    24 January 2020 07: 49
    And although the ability of some missiles and warheads to develop hypersonic speed is not in doubt, they should not be considered something revolutionary. Especially until the appearance of confirmed characteristics.

    The concept is REVOLUTIONARY, has been and will be applied ... if on that basis ??? The question is rhetorical. But the media cannot be limited, in any way. After all, they are in no hurry to answer for the "bazaar".
  12. 0
    24 January 2020 08: 17
    A comment can be put plus, minus can be. An article can be put only a plus. Not fair. Administration VO - correct the situation, pliz!
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    1. +4
      24 January 2020 12: 58
      hi Hello subfloor!
      Quote from rudolf
      If all the voiced flight characteristics will be true and if at all.

      But doesn’t it remind you, buddy, all this, a famous entertaining game in the past called SOI? Only players have changed places ... laughing
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        1. +2
          24 January 2020 13: 23
          laughing 1: 1, the ball goes to Vodnik !!!
  14. -2
    24 January 2020 09: 08
    It is not often that the people are personally informed by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief about specific weapons systems. We, as a people, also cannot remain indifferent. What is so bad and "American" that we are trying to figure it out? We want to be proud of our country, and to know why !!!
  15. +3
    24 January 2020 10: 00
    The meaning of the article is in a few words: we (the journalists) did not see the missiles and we do not know their real characteristics, so there are none of them (missiles) .... Why publish this at VO?
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    1. -4
      24 January 2020 11: 32
      Recently, our chapters special on galoshes only tell the truth, pay attention.
  17. +5
    24 January 2020 11: 29
    Our president told me what a wonderful fret "Vesta" is. and what a UAZ "PATRIOT" great car. Now what is our super duper weapon. In the country, there is practically no industry except mining and processing. There are no diesels for ships, no electronics, no turbines, and lo and behold .... a hypersonic rocket. From dampness? Something the USSR did not hide nuclear weapons. Didn't hide the space program, Didn't make secrets from the Tu-160.
    1. +6
      24 January 2020 11: 33
      And by the way, the Americans did not make secrets from the "standard" rocket. as well as from axes. In military policy, everything is simple - we have it, look and be afraid, but you don’t and you cannot do it
    2. 0
      24 January 2020 23: 10
      Quote: From Siberia we
      in addition to mining and processing, practically none. D

      There is no water.
      Quote: From Siberia we
      There are no diesels for ships

      There is no vegetation.
      Quote: From Siberia we
      no electronics, no turbines

      Populated by robots.
      Quote: From Siberia we
      Something the USSR did not hide

      laughing laughing laughing Oh, from the heart ... Thanks for the mood. wassat
      1. 0
        25 January 2020 19: 25
        I don’t see what to laugh at. Man wrote the truth. Go further all-conquering cartoons to watch.
    3. 0
      30 January 2020 19: 50
      Well, it’s like they brought some models at the parade, both ours and Koreans)
  18. +1
    24 January 2020 11: 31
    The first adequate article is all called by its own names. The media continue to say what they don’t even understand well, but the people cannot distinguish aerobalistic from a ballistic missile, and especially GZLA which must have a scramjet engine that provides tens of minutes of stable rocket operation. As long as no one has such an engine , no one. And what the Chinese show is a prototype. And we need to calm down with Zircon until we even see the prototype. When this happens then we will discuss.
    1. 0
      24 January 2020 12: 26
      A hypersonic missile should move in the sustainer and final phase at hypersonic, adjusting its position on the cruise and search for a target in the final phase. until this is not, all fairy tales. There is no engine for such a rocket, the problem of a plasma cocoon is solved by creating a "window", the duration of such a window is several seconds.
      1. 0
        24 January 2020 12: 27
        Personal opinion
      2. +3
        24 January 2020 12: 30
        Gravity gradiometer - no, not heard laughing
        1. 0
          24 January 2020 12: 56
          In outline. But the use of GINS (which practically does not exist) does not negate the solution of the "search rocket" issue in the plasma cocoon.
          PS On you turn to strangers - Moveton
    2. -1
      25 January 2020 19: 25
      Absolutely agree
  19. +3
    24 January 2020 11: 34
    Quote: rica1952
    our chapters special

    Netanyahu? laughing
    1. +1
      24 January 2020 11: 37
      Well, Netanyahu didn’t talk about galoshes. There are other specialists for these products.
      1. +2
        24 January 2020 11: 39
        Why are you sure that the Legat and similar "specialists" can distinguish galoshes from other rubber products? bully
        1. +2
          24 January 2020 12: 16
          So he does not distinguish, he simply asks those questions to which many want to hear answers.
          1. -1
            24 January 2020 12: 18
            For questions on hypersonic weapons, please contact the address: 1/3, Bolshaya Lubyanka, Moscow, Russian Federation.
            1. +2
              24 January 2020 12: 21
              There are definitely no answers to the issue of hypersound. Or do you think that the people who provided Kurchatov’s safety knew a lot about the bomb?
              1. 0
                24 January 2020 12: 24
                Do not be so kind as to doubt that they will be accepted as a native, they will invite who you need and will answer all your questions in detail bully
                1. +1
                  24 January 2020 12: 30
                  The turntables won't let you go any further
                  1. +1
                    24 January 2020 12: 32
                    "Attempt is not torture" (C) laughing
                    1. 0
                      24 January 2020 12: 33
                      And why do you think I'm not there wink was there?
                      1. +1
                        24 January 2020 12: 34
                        Because you still ask questions on topical topics.
                      2. +2
                        24 January 2020 12: 38
                        Do you seriously consider the topics discussed here serious? And I will tell you a secret !!! With such stupid questions do not go to that address laughing
                      3. 0
                        24 January 2020 12: 39
                        Go and find out about "walk / don't walk".
                      4. +1
                        24 January 2020 12: 40
                        So I say: "Why did you decide that I hadn’t been there?"
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                      6. -2
                        24 January 2020 12: 44
                        good Only he can pull out bits of information. Mr. Jackson may be Major Ivanov
                      7. +2
                        24 January 2020 12: 42
                        Here we can seriously discuss the advantages and disadvantages of a promising phaser maser. And I can be a 20 year old girl. Or vice versa, a whiskered captain trolling certain groups and collecting statistics
  20. -2
    24 January 2020 11: 38
    Since no war is foreseen between America and Russia, any fable can be told .. It flies like a pancake, or like a pancake .. until we start shooting at each other, no one will know .. Well, if you ever start suddenly, there already everyone will not be up to the disclosure of lies ..
    1. -1
      24 January 2020 17: 39
      Crap is needed now to raise a wave of patriotism among the people, they say, people, look what super-duper missiles we made, they say look people, what smart leaders we are, once we were able to organize the creation of such cool weapons, etc., etc.
  21. -2
    24 January 2020 12: 48
    Quote: From Siberia we
    I can be a 20 year old girl. Or vice versa, a whiskered captain

    The content of articles and comments of each VO participant directly indicates his intellectual level - a 20-year-old girl, a mustachioed captain, a mustachioed captain at the level of a 20-year-old girl, etc. laughing
    1. -3
      24 January 2020 13: 55
      I agree !! Another enthusiastic Girl
  22. +3
    24 January 2020 13: 56
    Quote: From Siberia we
    the use of gins (which are almost nonexistent)

    Why did you decide not? The first gravimetric navigation system was tested on the American nuclear submarine back in shaggy 1996.

    Until recently, GRSs were not widely used in aviation and rocketry due to their large size and mass, poor navigation accuracy (200 meters compared to 100 meters of astronavigation), and the lack of a detailed gravitational map of the Earth with a system for constant satellite monitoring of changes in the gravitational field in connections with earthquakes, magma shifts, etc.

    A few years ago, the so-called a quantum gravimeter the size of a shoebox with the prospect of downsizing in mass production. Plus, several countries (including the Russian Federation) put gravitometric satellites into low Earth orbit and continue to ship surveys in the oceans. According to open data, there is already a map of the gravitational field for 80% of the surface of the globe.

    And in the field of geological exploration, a variety of gravimeters (including gradient ones, measuring the vector of an uneven gravity field in the horizontal plane and, therefore, suitable for aiming at a target like a surface ship) have been used for about 70 years.
  23. 0
    24 January 2020 15: 54
    It is quite a normal article. The author tried to describe the situation with the non-hypersonic weapon without "grunting". And not from the point of view of PR actions of the country's leadership, but tried to understand "who is who"
    Although, of course, the article is not without flaws and some of the author’s conclusions are premature

    And then what is there? Perhaps the only material evidence of the existence of the Zircon is the transport and launch containers shown in November 2019, located on board the Admiral Gorshkov frigate: in general, they are very similar to those that should be used for Zircon hypersonic missiles. It is a lot or a little, decide for yourself. Most likely, the rocket really exists, but how effective it can be used is another matter.

    The photograph of the frigate with unknown containers on the quarterdeck does not confirm that this is a TPK from "Zircon" and the frigate went to their tests. For the question arises, how, how, these TPKs, each of which, if they weigh at least 2-3 tons with missiles, will fall into the launchers that are on the bow of the ship and what will be loaded there? On the shoulders of the frigate crew? So the presence of some containers is not proof that they are with "Zircon"

    Further. A few remarks regarding the Dagger and Vanguard deployments.
    According to the "Dagger, it was announced that he was put on experimental combat duty in the amount of 10 boards. And information periodically pops up that tests of the" Dagger "are continuing and it reached a range of 2018 kilometers in 804. If it had already been put on combat duty, about This would be shouted from every iron, remembering how we are promoting aircraft carriers that have not yet been laid down and PAK YES that have not yet flown.
    It's the same with Vanguard. Put into service with a minimum launch and from six months, it will also be at least on experimental combat duty. This is to the phrase that are put on alert
    1. +1
      24 January 2020 18: 24
      Quote: Old26
      The photograph of the frigate with unknown containers on the quarterdeck does not confirm that this is a TPK from "Zircon" and the frigate went to their tests. For the question arises, how, how, these TPKs, each of which, if they weigh at least 2-3 tons with missiles, will fall into the launchers that are on the bow of the ship and what will be loaded there? On the shoulders of the frigate crew? So the presence of some containers is not proof that they are with "Zircon"

      Vladimir, did you closely, I hope, followed the news at this time? Nothing in this news indicated that it was planned to test the Zircon rocket not from the carrier (ship), but from the floating platform. Therefore, it is quite possible that the frigate was used as a delivery vehicle to her. And this delivery was specially highlighted.
  24. +1
    24 January 2020 15: 55
    “It flies like a pancake on the water, leaves space to the atmosphere and back,” military specialist Dmitry Litovkin explained to Sputnik radio.

    Yes, this analyst must have been on all the tests. Some "smart guy" remembered the "antipodal Zenger bomber" and its trajectory, and another cartoon went for a walk on the network, as the "Vanguard" flies. But the Zenger bomber had cruising rocket engines and could fly (theoretically) along such a trajectory, while the Avangard had such "yok" engines, and it did not fly to the range of Zenger's trajectory. It's always like this with us. One blurt out someone, others replicate his blunder.

    Quote: Serg65
    And with the Caliber the same story as with the T-50! But Zircons, Daggers, Avngards for export, no one is going to promote !!!

    The argument is not convincing, the same "Zircon" or "Dagger" may well be exported. Here is Avangard on an intercontinental missile - yes, it will definitely not be exported. What if our "sworn friends" start exporting the same AGM-158 missile? xnj jcnfytncz yfv ltkfnm & Nthznm hsyjr bkb gjcnfdkznm yf 'rcgjhn [jnz, s njn; t @Rby; fk @ &&

    Quote: dauria
    I agree. The article is about that. About the question "Uncle Vova, to whom and why did you tell all this?"
    And if you think about it, then to us, the people. Not US intelligence, not Florida housewives. And to us. Now the second part of the question is why? And then, that everything else and so everyone can see and not too happy, and then the elections were on the nose (al have forgotten everything?). And the calculation is simple and correct. A bit of truth, a bit of half-truth with embellishments - part of the people will believe and sigh "Okay, for this you should be patient" Some will scream - "lies !!!"
    And that's all. It is for this sake - "Okay, we will tolerate" And about the fact that "now we will roll out America !!!". So before they could, as they did us. Without "Zircons" with 300 kg jointer.

    As for the housewives, Alex, I would argue with you. Immediately after his speech ... In short, I sometimes go to one local zucchini, turn gray, drink coffee and cognac. so who only then did not discuss rocket issues. And the journalist of the newspaper, and a health worker (nurse), and a trade worker .... laughing And his speech, in fact, was a wonderful election move. The competitors could not say anything like this, and the whole country before the election only discussed the weapons systems voiced by the president and came up with a name for them. Moreover, the completion of the contest was close to the election.

    Quote: Thrifty
    Ilya, should I send you the secret documents and the rocket model home? Secret mode - have you heard of this? Have you ever held secret documents in your hands in your life? Be glad that they give you the opportunity to talk about these developments! And, site administration, please return the opportunity to negative articles! This article deserves a wagon of cons.

    Sorry, but secrecy is out of the question. If they show me "Dagger", then it is as secret as "Vanguard" or "Zircon". OUR "sworn friends" do not bother to assign the label "top secret" to the appearance of the product, because they understand that aerodynamics is the same for everyone. The Americans do not have aerodynamics different from the Russian one, and Russia does not have aerodynamics different from the American one. The aerodynamics of a hypersonic vehicle, if it will differ from country to country, will be only in separate, tertiary details. However, the X-51 is shown to us, and our analogous device is "no way". Secrecy. In my life I have had to deal with documents with one and two zeros a lot. And sometimes you wonder what they keep secret. And the secret is mainly from their own people, and not from the adversary.
    Example? Yes please. 1981 saw the first flight of the American Columbia. The Americans accordingly prepared the main and alternate landing airfields, which differed from the usual ones at least in the length of their strip. and so. In relation to our "Buran" a few years later, the list of classified information was written: "the appearance and location of landing airfields." Well that's right, blind Americans will not understand why they began to build another airfield with a long strip at Baikonur. Why did they suddenly begin to modernize a couple more airfields, although they did not base anything new on them? But the name and appearance of the airfields were classified as classified. And there are dozens of such examples. so don't always refer to secrecy. What is secret is yes, the control system, the fuel recipe and, accordingly, the characteristics of its combustion, and the appearance ...

    Quote: Ka-52
    an apparatus capable of flying at speeds above 5M can already be called hypersonic. What does the type of mover have to do with it? Ilya begins to deal with definitions and terminology, without having a special understanding of the subject.

    The problem, comrade Andrey, is that the term "hypersonic" has now become trendy and is used when needed and when not needed. For at least 70 years, ballistic missiles or their warheads have been flying at hypersonic speeds, but no one has ever emphasized this. And in fact, literally until recently, all talk about hypersonic weapons revolved around the device, which not only gains speed of 5M or more, but also fly on it. That is, in fact, they always meant a device with a hypersonic ramjet engine. Nowadays the term "motor hypersound" is sometimes used to classify such devices. In contrast to ballistic missiles, where it is "non-motorized". And if we consider a cruise missile that flies all the time using an engine as a hypersonic weapon, then in fact there is no such weapon yet. It is only being tested. If the "Dagger" is understood by the term "hypersonic weapon". then we must shut up and not say that we did it first. The Americans carried out such tests back in the late 50s. And Ilya got down to definition and terminology correctly. For, to be terminologically accurate, many will either not be considered hypersonic weapons, or the priority will not be ours ...

    Quote: Ka-52
    the possibility of creating a "window" in the flow of a plasma cocoon was announced 10 years ago. And 5 years ago, information about successful experiments on this topic appeared in open sources. The author should have stopped nodding to such "iron" arguments.

    We can talk a lot about the possibilities. In reality, it is applied or not. I’ve heard about a plasma generator for hiding planes for about 30 years, and that experiments have been conducted, but something our SU and MIGs are not equipped with such generators ... So here, too, not everything is clear ...
    1. +1
      25 January 2020 22: 14
      . And his speech, in fact, was a wonderful election move

      Not a wonderful, but a brilliant move, he will go into PR textbooks.
  25. +1
    24 January 2020 15: 55
    Quote: figvam
    And the Dagger, and especially Vanguard, have been going on for a long time in hypersound; there are no missiles of this class in the world.

    "Dagger" does not go on hypersound for a long time. On the active section of the trajectory (the entire trajectory before hitting the target takes at least 10-12 minutes), the speed is increasing from supersonic (about 2M at the start) to a speed of about 8,5M. For some time after the completion of the OUT, the speed still remains hypersonic, but gradually due to air resistance, the speed will decrease and when meeting with the target will most likely be of the order of 2-4M, that is, supersonic. How many of 10-12 minutes will the speed be hypersonic? Even if 2/3, that is, 6-9 minutes. How long is this time?
    Avangard, of course, runs for a fairly long time on hypersonic - about 30 minutes, but Avangard is not a missile, it is an ICBM combat equipment, which has always been hypersonic, regardless of whether the unit would be unguided, controlled or gliding

    Quote: figvam
    A missile with a given speed brings the warhead to a height of about 1000-1200 km, and from there they just fall to a given point and the missile defense system can bring them down by calculating the trajectory of the warhead, the Vanguard does not fall, it continues a controlled hypersonic flight using its engines and starting from dense atmospheric layers at an altitude of 70-100 km, the missile defense system cannot bring down the Vanguard it’s not possible to calculate the trajectory of the maneuver and the air defense system is useless when approaching the target. unit speed hypersonic.

    In the same way, the missile defense system can shoot down the Avangard in the middle section of the trajectory. Maneuvers are theoretically possible only in the atmosphere. As for the engines, I am tormented by "vague doubts" how such dimensions can be used to position the warhead, control system, engines and fuel supply. The maximum is low-power correction motors. Using the aerodynamics of the hull and such engines, the device is capable of performing a lateral maneuver and possibly a vertical maneuver, but by no means energetic because at speeds of 6-7 km / s it will have such overloads that it will collapse. Moreover, it is unlikely to be able to repel the atmosphere many times. Zenger's trajectory implied a device with sufficiently powerful rocket engines in terms of thrust. Besides, dear. Dense layers of the atmosphere are about 11-20 km, but by no means 70-100 (the last figure is generally the boundary of space). Therefore, all the talk that it is impossible to shoot down "Vanguard" is designed exclusively for the public. It is possible that not 2-3, but 4-6 interceptors will be needed to intercept. The trajectory is calculated, because it will not have "sharp jumps and turns". The speed of the block, like the speed of any warhead, will fall, otherwise it will simply burn out in the dense layers of the atmosphere, because at speeds of 5-10M it will have a temperature of 4,5 to 6 thousand degrees (the latter is the temperature of the Sun)
  26. 0
    24 January 2020 17: 08
    Quotes by the author:
    “And although in some areas the Dagger can develop hypersonic speed, this probably does not apply to all sections of the flight, especially when precise guidance is needed on the target.”
    “Zircon” Characteristics (hypothetical): “
    Avangard However, not knowing in detail the characteristics of the hypersonic unit in all phases of the flight, it would be rash to do so. "
    Masterpiece, I don’t know the characteristics, they are secret, but Russia cannot make hypersound, it cannot! These are lapotniki!
    Another HYLE LIKELY option!
    Neighing, neighing, as he hatches my country’s haters ...
    PS and for the general development of the author:
    Hypersonic aircraft (GZLA) - aircraft (LA), capable of flying in the atmosphere with hypersonic speed (greater than or equal to 5 M) and maneuvering using aerodynamic forces.
    PS even for an "expert", it's not difficult to find out, it's even on the wiki ...
  27. 0
    24 January 2020 18: 20
    Russia is a leader in the development of hypersonic weapons. True?
    I would like to wait for it to be simple Russia is the Leader!
    Truth?!
  28. 0
    24 January 2020 19: 12
    "Sing, swallow, sing ..." laughing Even if this weapon is not perfect yet, it may require fine-tuning, improvements, but we have it. And who else has at least something close? So if Russia is not the leader, then who is the leader? The pitiful attempt of some "experts" and crack-cops to belittle the success of the Russian Federation in the development of hypersonic weapons is at least surprising.
  29. 0
    24 January 2020 19: 15
    Quote: Zhan
    Given the fact that even during the Soviet Union there were very serious developments on the hypersonic cruise missile X-90. Weight 15 tons, march speed from 2 to 4,5 M, range 3000 km.

    and this despite the fact that not a single LI was present, and the speed of 2-4,5M was supersonic. And yes. Hypersonic rocket with supersonic flight speed

    Quote: Leon68
    Vladimir, did you closely, I hope, followed the news at this time? Nothing in this news indicated that it was planned to test the Zircon rocket not from the carrier (ship), but from the floating platform. Therefore, it is quite possible that the frigate was used as a delivery vehicle to her. And this delivery was specially highlighted.

    To be honest - I did not attend at all. What's the point of testing with a floating platform? To do this, there is a test site in Nenoksa, where literally a hundred meters from the shore, it would be possible to bring to a platform on a transport vessel and load it with cranes.
    The point is to drag the platform somewhere (a tug is required), load a couple of containers onto the frigate. then send back to the test area (why the tests were not at the Navy training ground but at the training ground) a cargo ship with crane equipment. Is it too complicated? I would understand if the test was from a frigate, but then the containers on the utah, and not in the launchers, it is generally not clear why
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  31. 0
    24 January 2020 20: 15
    So can Russia be considered a leader in the development of hypersonic weapons?

    Did it ever occur to you that this "plum" has exact addressees, and it's not you or me?
    These are accurate and metered kicks to keep someone from stupid. Just as the demonstration of the flight of "Caliber" from the Caspian Sea to Syria was not caused by military necessity, but strongly sobered the hawks demanding to immediately establish a "no-fly zone" for us - they were "ashamed" to establish it.
    So now, it’s just tectonic shifts in consciousness - but they are coming. Already there are analysts who believe that the expensive US carrier fleet is simply discounted by some of our new products. And this will not affect the behavior.
    If they missed Iran's attack on their base, then "joking" with us - a lethal outcome is guaranteed in any case.
    Hence, we will conduct politics from this point of view. Those who have received the signal, but the fact that you personally have not been convinced by something - so God forbid to be sure.
  32. +3
    24 January 2020 22: 50
    An attempt to pass off a set of letters as an article. No, I’m not in a complaint or a jingoistic patriot, but I haven’t seen any detailed criticism and analysis at all ... so, a set of stamps that are filled with jaundices .. I also go to this area too spectrum ...
  33. -1
    25 January 2020 11: 36
    There are vanguards, they were even shown to the Americans. Interestingly, and decided to take pictures?
  34. +4
    25 January 2020 18: 32
    Regarding the author of this exhaust. He still goes to school, periodically throws such articles on many resources. Seen in liberal movements. He writes fairy tales on samizdat about stalkers, post-apocalypse and similar nonsense.
  35. -3
    25 January 2020 19: 22
    Quote: bayard
    Including it is mentioned that the FIRST test of "Zircon" was ... from an air carrier - Tu-22M3

    Well, this is not only written by the American intelligence community. This is also on our resources. Both that and another on the basis of the indirect data which are not officially confirmed. True, they write that all three tests from the TU-22M3 (starting from 2012) were unsuccessful. And successful ones began only in 2016 with a ground stand. so why it was used TU-22M3 - is unknown. it is possible that all these three starts were throwing.

    Quote: bayard
    And it has much more basing options than a ship \ submarine - air (up to 22 on board Tu-3M4M), ground-based as part of anti-ship complexes and (possibly) as part of Iskander-M systems

    All basing options, except for a surface ship and submarines, can be classified as OSB. And the statement that they will be on TU-22M3 already FOUR - generally enchanting. Sucked from the finger. As the question arises, why is this missile needed as part of the Iskander complex? For what...

    Quote: bayard
    And the warheads on the UR-100UTTH are not "one", as the author has scribbled, but three. And it was always so declared

    This is a respected your notion. It has never been declared that on 15A35-71 already THREE block. And it is difficult to place a block with a length of about 2,5-5 meters with a plane span of 5,5 meters under a fairing with a diameter of 2 meters. There were only statements on the forums that "I would place three blocks there." At the same time, not knowing exactly what configuration they are ...

    Quote: bayard
    And the qualified foe has NO doubts about the characteristics of the "Dagger", because his companions are BDYAT. And if Putin made a false statement, unconfirmed by practical shooting, he would be immediately laughed at by the OFFICIALS of the Pentagon and the US State Department.
    But this is NOT

    And what did Putin say to make him laugh? He stated that a range of 800 km had been reached and tests were continuing. And this is actually the case. Here he did not sin against the truth. But the same Putin, at his speech in 2018, made a number of statements that became a source of doubt for people who are used to not taking the statements, even the president, as the ultimate truth, but to think and compare, incl. and with their knowledge base. But he had several phrases in his speech that went against the elementary laws of physics. Therefore, articles appear, similar to those of Ilya, where questions are raised that are sometimes inconvenient for the majority of "true believers" ...

    Quote: bayard
    So it remains to order such "doubting" bloggers crooked articles.
    If there is NO hypersound. And there is NO best practices. They are now 10-15 years old to catch up. For quite objective reasons.

    Of course they have none. No developments, nothing. They're stupid. And it's nonsense that they tested the same HTV-2 apparatus in 2013, and we began to test our Avangard in 2013, that they began to test their apparatus from the X-43A direct-flow engines in 2001-2004, and the X-51 in 2010 , and we have our "Zircon" only in 2012. Of course they will lag behind us for 10-15 years WITHOUT ANY WORK ...
    The logic and reasoning of you, dear, goes against real events in the world. But I will not convince you, it does not make sense. Keep believing ....
  36. -1
    25 January 2020 19: 49
    So can Russia be considered a leader in the development of hypersonic weapons? As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, the statement of Vladimir Putin is an exaggeration.


    Well, do not count. What was that all about? What is the article about? belay
  37. +1
    25 January 2020 20: 05
    Another article about nothing. This is especially touching: "As can be clearly seen in the examples presented, Vladimir Putin's statement is an exaggeration. And although the ability of some missiles and warheads to develop hypersonic speed is beyond doubt, they should not be considered something revolutionary." Don't count who is interested in your opinion here ...
  38. +1
    26 January 2020 05: 50
    Among the most important fundamental problems and contradictions are the heating of gas to incredibly high (up to several thousand degrees) temperatures, as well as the need to combat the screening effect of a cloud of hot plasma surrounding a rocket
    I frankly do not understand why so many people skipping physics at school, at a mature age, suddenly decide to mock that very physics? She (physics) didn’t do anything bad to you - you yourself scored on her. I urge you - stop generating this nonsense, stop, think about your behavior, be ashamed in the end! Physics did not deserve such an attitude toward it; it is a great science, to which you owe much (very much). Have respect.
    If you translate some text and do not understand what is written there - write as in origenal, and in brackets "literally:" and the literal translation of the term. Better to bypass technical texts altogether. The same applies to copy-paste from texts of other similar translators.
  39. -1
    27 January 2020 16: 04
    there is nothing and does not fly, and tth are false, is everything right?
  40. -1
    28 January 2020 10: 01
    "You can, of course, just believe the information about the unique weapon, which is absolutely not afraid of either the existing or even the promising missile defense system. However, not knowing in detail the characteristics of the hypersonic unit in all flight phases, it would be rash to do so."
    ABOUT! AS! I think when the author presents access to information of particular importance and proves to the relevant authorities the validity of interest in Russian secrets, he will be provided with this information. And while this is not all the above written nonsense "analyst".
    Threat all the thoughts of the author come down to two phrases:
    1. I do not know what characteristics of the Russian hypersonic weapons.
    2. I do not believe that the Russians could have made it.
    hmmm ... super-super analytics.
  41. 0
    30 January 2020 00: 24
    I’ve already read something like this from Ukrainian and Western analysts. The author is secondary and his conclusions are not based on anything other than his own, but rather not his fabrications. Maybe the author will ask the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation for drawings and a full description of the products and then calm down?
  42. +1
    30 January 2020 09: 50
    The first hypersonic cruise missile was tested in Russia in 1992. Project "GALA". The route to it was laid before the launch. It was not controlled from the outside, but reached a speed of 5400 km / h, i.e. 5 swings, which is the lower limit of hypersound. Soon this development was shelved due to lack of money. But technology has not been lost. In the USSR, in 1968, they scored on electronics and cybernetics, but materials science and the study of plasma reached such heights that they have not yet reached in the USA. In general, gentlemen comrades, all these promising developments were supervised by the FSB (KGB). And there amateurs do not live long to sell for a pittance. So calm down everyone, we have hyper missiles. True, not with a ramjet engine. A conventional rocket rocket.
    The main problem of amers and others is not overclocking on hypersound, it’s not difficult, but on going out on hyper, the rocket burns or collapses. Well, of course, the plasma cloud around the rocket, which does not pass any radio pulses through itself.
    This problem was solved in the USSR, but only in theory. Then technology did not grow up to practical application. Only in 2002, when the loot was again allocated to the development, and the technology reached a new level, it became possible. As for controlling the missile from the outside, for example, the avant-garde can be programmed in advance for all maneuvers and choice of targets.
    In general, if you look at the development of the 70-80s, which closed as promising, but impossible at that time, then analyze it. Then without any spies you can guess what other surprises will soon await us. I’ll hint .. It is impossible to radically solve the problem of missile defense with anti-missiles. But there is another way, both simpler and more elegant, but at the same time very complicated. With the help of the 4th state of aggregation of the substance.
    THANK YOU
  43. 0
    30 January 2020 19: 53
    just to remind))
    When in the USSR there were only 4 intercontinental missiles on alert, and in the USA it was already 60, the secretary general categorically declared that we are making ICBMs as sausages)
    1. 0
      31 January 2020 00: 08
      Can the source be given?
  44. 0
    31 January 2020 00: 07
    What is the article about? Just to write?
    1. 0
      21 February 2020 21: 34
      This is a fashionable word, hypersound, but at the same time they don’t drown at what height and at what distance, for example, if the average speed is 3000 m / s at a distance of 100 km and, at an altitude of 100 m, it’s impressive, but if the same speed is at a height 100 km then the result is about nothing
      1. 0
        22 February 2020 23: 57
        You see, for this, physics in high school needs to know hi