The State Duma adopted a bill on amending the Constitution in the first reading

The State Duma adopted a bill on amending the Constitution in the first reading

The draft law on amendments to the Constitution of Russia, presented by Russian President Vladimir Putin in a message to the Federal Assembly, was unanimously supported by State Duma deputies in the first reading. The second reading of the amendments will be held on February 11 this year.


State Duma deputies unanimously supported in the first reading the presidential bill on constitutional amendments. During the vote, the amendments were supported by 432 deputies, no one voted against the amendments, there were also no abstentions.

State Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin said the second reading of the amendment will be held on February 11 and called on the committee on state building and legislation and the faction to continue work on the bill.

Recall that a proposal to amend the Constitution was made by Russian President Vladimir Putin on January 15 in a message to the Federal Assembly and on January 20 introduced the corresponding bill in the State Duma. The document, which is considered by the State Duma, proposes to amend article 22 of the Constitution in chapters three to eight.

The draft law must be approved by the State Duma and the Federation Council, and an all-Russian vote will be held on it.

The amendments are aimed at ensuring the sovereignty of our country, consolidating social guarantees for citizens, developing the political system, including by strengthening the role of parliament, the formation of the structure of public authorities, the establishment of a public authority system, increasing the requirements for persons holding public office, and improving legislative the process

- said the official representative of the head of state on the bill - the chairman of the committee on state building and legislation Pavel Krasheninnikov.
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  1. prior 23 January 2020 13: 43 New
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    Editing the Constitution without the approval of the people, without a referendum is a usurpation of power, this is an official coup d'etat.
    1. Victor_B 23 January 2020 13: 45 New
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      I don’t understand, where are they in such a hurry?
      For a week heaped so much.
      1. KAVBER 23 January 2020 13: 48 New
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        Figuratively, the arrangement of figures was done a long time ago, now the process just went
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          1. SRC P-15 23 January 2020 14: 29 New
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            If I only knew that they would soon pass the law on indexing pensions to everyone, even those working, and even bring this law into the Constitution, I would never pay for work! What a bummer for me! I would settle down again, but unfortunately the position was already taken - he went and introduced a new employee to the course of affairs.
            And the fact that everyone thinks that the State Duma is in a hurry with the adoption of amendments to the Constitution - let them be in a hurry! The sooner they pass these laws, the quicker they will breathe freely working pensioners and workers who receive less than the minimum wage. And indeed all those who are accrued benefits and pensions.
            Well done Putin! I have long said that he will amend the constitution in the new presidential term. And then my assumption came true. I hope this is not his last good innovations in the life of the common people.
            1. mavrus 23 January 2020 14: 51 New
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              I do not understand the connection ... And where does the pensioners and workers? Up there, in a parallel world, there is some sort of redistribution of power, the struggle "for feeding troughs" ... And how does this affect the part of the people who either work without hope to live up to retirement, or have already survived to a pretty penny? . And judging by the first statements of the new prime minister, if something changes for us, it’s only for the worse.
              1. SRC P-15 23 January 2020 15: 01 New
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                Quote: mavrus
                I do not understand the connection ... And where does the pensioners and workers?

                You would understand it if you were retired and earned extra money. Still did not know that working pensioners were not indexed? And this is not a small increase in pension. Why should I give this money to a pension fund, while regularly paying income tax? And what is the fault of workers who receive less than the subsistence level if they have no other job there? In general, to understand this, one must visit the skin of these people. And I see you are far from them.
                I personally struggle "up there" on the drum - not up to them, I would have gotten my due.
                1. Ross xnumx 23 January 2020 15: 30 New
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                  Quote: SRC P-15
                  Why should I give this money to a pension fund, besides regularly paying income tax?

                  Say why? yes In the second half of 2015 President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin signed the law on the basis of which the accrual of indexation for benefits of working pensioners, since 2016 has been suspended. Therefore, according to the adopted regulatory act pension index for temporarily working pensioners is suspended.
                  Therefore, there is nothing to breed here:
            2. ultra 23 January 2020 15: 52 New
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              Quote: SRC P-15
              Well done Putin!

              What’s good? Is it that the retirement age has been raised or VAT? Or is it that the country has been treading water for 12 years? Or maybe it’s good that his friends-oligarchs became richer?
              1. adler87 23 January 2020 19: 26 New
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                She has been treading water all 20 years of his reign. Zero growth is the result of rising oil prices.
              2. your1970 23 January 2020 23: 03 New
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                Quote: ultra
                increased or vat?
                -oh ... you count first HOW this increase affected the unit price of the product .... from 100 rubles -1,8 rubles increase ...
                And the merchants threw redneck 15-30% - citing the increase in VAT ...
            3. Pedrodepackes 23 January 2020 16: 43 New
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              Quote: SRC P-15
              If I only knew that they would soon pass a law on indexing pensions

              he is very cunning this law. Regular indexation is said, but after all, raising a pension by 1% once a year is also indexing, regular. No numbers, no deadlines. They make fools of the people with sweet speeches, disguising the creation of a new branch of power, which is easy to guess for anyone.
              1. your1970 23 January 2020 23: 10 New
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                Quote: Pedrodepackes
                Quote: SRC P-15
                If I only knew that they would soon pass a law on indexing pensions

                They make a fool of people with sweet speeches, masking the creation of a new branch of power, introduced easy to guess for whom.
                do you already know ????? !!!!! you are Vanga and Nostradamus in one bottle !!!! Tell the name of the new president !!!

                And if you alluding to GDP , then alas - you are in flight and nifiga is not Wang, for
                "The main thing that catches your eye: there is no weakening of presidential power in them. Rather, on the contrary, the president receives additional powers.
                Firstly, it is said that the president himself forms the new authority is the Council of State. "
                Do you understand?
                he will no longer be president — crossed out “in a row”, and work in the State Council — which will form and control unknown to anyone now future president-Well recourse request
                1. Pedrodepackes 24 January 2020 09: 46 New
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                  Quote: your1970
                  you already know ????? !!!!! you are Vanga and Nostradamus in one bottle !!!!

                  And here you do not have to be Wang. The State Council is a new body, which, in fact, is not needed, then why is it being created? As for the president, who allegedly
                  Quote: your1970
                  there is no weakening of presidential power
                  so we had such a DAM president, who, although everything can, was an ordinary puppet.
                  Quote: your1970
                  the president receives additional powers.

                  which ones?
                  Quote: your1970
                  it is said that the president himself forms a new authority - the Council of State. "

                  which they say, this will form
                  Quote: your1970
                  Do you understand?

                  Quote: your1970
                  he will no longer be president - crossed out "in a row"

                  a very big question, it was said about the “row” in the previous constitution, but they will remove it in the new “row, the constitution has no reverse effect, so our sun-faced one can calmly be elected two more times. Try to think again.
            4. xGibSoNx 23 January 2020 19: 48 New
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              If I only knew ...
              That is, you personally, are ready to sacrifice the fundamental foundations on which, without exaggeration, the future of at least your children, and even grandchildren, depends, for the sake of an indicative handout in the form of a pair of "buns" for senior citizens or other similar things? Well, right here, like this, knowing that it’s a carrot and a stick, but still believe? Well, I personally am happy for you. But if you please ...
      2. Starover_Z 23 January 2020 13: 53 New
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        The amendments are aimed at ...
        The document, which is considered by the State Duma, proposes to amend article 22 of the Constitution in chapters three to eight.

        Announce the list (amendments), please!
        And so far, general words, but specifically, what kind of amendments will be?
        1. Sergej1972 23 January 2020 13: 58 New
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          Go to the website of the State Duma and download them. Or type in the search engine "Presidential Amendments to the Constitution."
          1. mavrus 23 January 2020 14: 56 New
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            What's the point? To us that from this.
            What is there? Something about pension reform, about a progressive tax ... Or something else interesting?
          2. Lelek 23 January 2020 15: 08 New
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            Quote: Sergej1972
            Go to the website of the State Duma and download them.

            hi
            Bespalko made a good amendment, but I doubt very much that it will be accepted:
            1. Krasnoyarsk 23 January 2020 17: 45 New
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              = The right of Russian-speaking regions should become ... to join Russia =
              My question is - by what criteria should this region be defined, is it Russian-speaking or not?
              1. Lelek 23 January 2020 17: 57 New
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                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                It should become the right of the Russian-speaking regions ... to join Russia =
                My question is - by what criteria should this region be defined, is it Russian-speaking or not?

                hi
                And this should be decided by the inhabitants of this region themselves and at the "veche" (referendum) issue a verdict on accession (or not) to the alma mater. The main thing in this matter is whether they consider Russia their patrimony, and what native (after the state - Russian) they speak and communicate is not important (in Russia there are about 108 languages ​​and dialects today).
                1. Krasnoyarsk 23 January 2020 18: 18 New
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                  Quote: Lelek

                  And this should be decided by the inhabitants of this region themselves and at the "veche" (referendum) issue a verdict on accession (or not) to the alma mater. The main thing in this matter is whether they consider Russia their patrimony, and what native (after the state - Russian) they speak and communicate is not important (in Russia there are about 108 languages ​​and dialects today).

                  Yes, all this is so. But do deputies think that this provocative law? (if accepted).
                  Just imagine, the law was adopted. So what? Kharkov region. Excited by this law, Ukraine will decide (who decides?) To hold a referendum. Who will allow? Where in the Ukrainian (or any other country in the world) constitution does the region’s right to secede from the country be recorded? Do we have such a thing in the constitution? No! Those who will initiate the holding of such a referendum will immediately run into repression. And, from the point of view of the state, these repressions will be justified.
                  Crimea does not count. Crimea had its own armed forces and its own government. They were entitled to a referendum. Donbass, not having such a right, received what it received. Even though I'm on his side. That is why I believe - this draft law is provocative.
                  You can’t pass the law exclusively under the Donbass. So to speak - with a note.
                  1. SOVIET UNION 2 23 January 2020 19: 06 New
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                    The referendum issue is very interesting. He probably should work both ways. Both on entry and exit. Today, Kharkov wants to join Russia. Tomorrow some TOR wants to secede from Russia. Then the region where many Chinese live will hold a referendum on leaving Russia and joining China. But how Russia does not recognize these referenda if it recognized referenda on joining Russia. Here is the hassle!
              2. SOVIET UNION 2 23 January 2020 18: 58 New
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                My question is - by what criteria should this region be defined, is it Russian-speaking or not?
                This is elementary Watson! There are many Russian-speaking residents in Israel. So Israel can become part of Russia! bully If there are objections, we do not include Israel in Russia! yes It's all right?
                1. Lelek 24 January 2020 10: 59 New
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                  Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
                  It's all right?

                  hi
                  For a humorous show - why not. Thank. yes
          3. Starover_Z 23 January 2020 19: 54 New
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            Quote: Sergej1972
            Go to the website of the State Duma and download them. Or type in the search engine "Presidential Amendments to the Constitution."

            A sho come true or obeschestvlyayut in the near future, especially for senior citizens ?! (For the funds of which the following dwellings were built for the nnogologic educating population! - Bourgeois DOESN'T count!
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        3. Esaul 23 January 2020 15: 49 New
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          I read a letter to the State Duma from the president of January 20 with a list of constitutional amendments. In my opinion, the main thing is the creation of the State Council, as well as the fact that large officials should not have foreign citizenship (or they may come up with other restrictions - they apparently want to forbid left-wing people to enter the government). Well, the priority of the Constitution of the Russian Federation over international laws (although it is not clear why Article 15 para. 4 remained unchanged). The rest is trifles, and indexation and the minimum wage are not lower than the subsistence level — this is to make people interested, through the Federal Law, this could be done.
          Judging by the text of the amendment, this State Council, formed by the president, will be an analogue of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee, which will determine the directions of foreign and domestic policy, socio-economic development, and carry out coordinated interaction between different authorities. But what will be the status of this State Council - the Federal Law will be determined, which is not there and it is not clear what will be there (it will certainly be accepted without a popular vote).
          On the one hand, it seems good when there is a single body that will synchronize all management, instead of sending chaos in one direction, and on the other hand its status is not clear who will be elected there and how, it turns out a cat in a poke.
          But judging by the actions of the authorities in the past 10 years, there is no trust in it, so it is unlikely that anything will change for the better, most likely on the contrary, it will become even more difficult to throw off this rotten power.
          1. Sergej1972 23 January 2020 17: 32 New
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            There already in the draft it is indicated that the State Council will be formed by the President. It is important that the President loses the right to dissolve the Duma in the event of a twofold rejection of the prime minister’s candidacy. Now he is obliged to submit another candidacy.
          2. SOVIET UNION 2 23 January 2020 19: 16 New
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            Rather, it will be like in England. The queen signed England’s exit from the EU. If it’s not a fake, then January 31 should leave. And it’s like the parliament rules there. The same way we are most likely going to do it. The president will be, but above it will be the State Council, which will either approve the decisions of the president or reject. Otherwise, what's the point of creating a HS?
            LONDON, January 23. / TASS /. The bill on Britain’s secession from the European Union (Brexit), prepared by the government of Boris Johnson, acquired the status of law. This happened after Thursday, Queen Elizabeth II signed it.
            After January 31, a transitional period should begin between the EU and Great Britain, during which the relations between the community and the kingdom will not undergo any changes. This stage should be completed on December 31, and during this time London intends to agree with Brussels on a new trade agreement.
            1. Sergej1972 23 January 2020 20: 33 New
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              No, it is not. Putin clearly stated yesterday that Russia should remain a presidential republic with strong presidential power. And no mentors or overseers of the president are needed now or in the future, under the new president. Yes, the powers of the Duma and the Federation Council have been somewhat expanded, but a strong parliament is also possible under the presidential republic. In addition, the President’s rights to reject laws are being strengthened. In addition to the veto over ordinary laws, which must be overcome by a qualified majority of members of parliament, he can send any law, including constitutional, to the examination of the Constitutional Court. And who offers the Federation Council candidates for membership in the Constitutional Court? The president.
            2. Sergej1972 23 January 2020 20: 36 New
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              All members of the State Council will be appointed by the President. And the powers of the ToS will not be spelled out in the Constitution, but in the law adopted by the Duma. This alone suggests that the importance of this body should not be exaggerated.
        4. asv363 23 January 2020 16: 05 New
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          Quote: Starover_Z
          Announce the list (amendments), please!

          No question, dear!
          http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/62617
        5. asv363 23 January 2020 16: 34 New
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          Or from the State Duma:
          http://asozd2c.duma.gov.ru/addwork/scans.nsf/ID/D6CC4D82492F601E432584F5004BA0B7/$FILE/885214-7_20012020_885214-7.PDF?OpenElement
        6. SOVIET UNION 2 23 January 2020 18: 53 New
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          According to the text of the document, it is proposed to amend 22 articles of the basic law - 71, 75, 77, 78, 79, 81, 83, 95, 97, 102, 103, 107, 108, 110, 111, 112, 119, 125, 128, 129 , 132 and 133.
      3. Vend 23 January 2020 13: 54 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        I don’t understand, where are they in such a hurry?
        For a week heaped so much.

        While the Western community did not come to its senses and began to put sticks in the wheels. They don’t need our sovereignty.
        1. Flatter 23 January 2020 14: 32 New
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          On the recommendation of the IMF, they increased their pension qualifications. Russian sovereignty is in American banks. As Dvorkovich said when he was in office, we are forced to invest in the American economy in order to live in peace.
          1. DNS-a42 23 January 2020 15: 12 New
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            Deputies shouted, raising their salaries: "It's all the IMF's fault." How convenient.
        2. DNS-a42 23 January 2020 15: 04 New
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          But I naively thought that sovereignty is made up of economic and military power, but it turns out you just need to turn on a crazy printer. Sounds funny.
          1. your1970 23 January 2020 23: 16 New
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            Quote: DNS-a42
            But I naively thought that sovereignty is made up of economic and military power, but it turns out you just need to turn on a crazy printer. Sounds funny.
            - by turning on the “crazy printer" the USA became what they became ...
        3. ultra 23 January 2020 15: 54 New
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          Quote: Wend
          . They don’t need our sovereignty.

          And the amendments will change something in our sovereignty?
      4. Svarog 23 January 2020 14: 02 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        I don’t understand, where are they in such a hurry?
        For a week heaped so much.

        Really alarming .. some kind of multi-way ..
        1. Lexus 23 January 2020 15: 15 New
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          Really alarming .. some kind of multi-way ..

          What were you waiting for?

          In the "gift box" offered to citizens, the key is the introduction of the structure of the State Council and the Russian analogue of "Elbasy". The promised "nishtyaki" only after the "accession". Yes, and nishtyaki?
          All powers will remain in the "family circle", only a little shuffled. International law is a priority. "Five" citizenship will not be advertised, but no one will officially seek out. If they find the "bloggers" - disown. With pension indexations, it will be like this: inflation announced by ROSSTAT is 3%, "indexation" is 4%, real price increases are 15-20% (as now, in general).
          You certainly won't get richer.

          Do you believe that impeachment is possible with such a Federal Assembly? I am in no way ..

          The choice is like in a children's joke, where you can also answer only “yes” and “no”:
          Do your friends know that you are a "dumbass"?

          No matter how you choose from the "proposed", anyway ... Well, you understand.
          That is, if they “vote”, it will definitely become worse, and if not, it will continue to deteriorate. In the current form.
          Regarding the terms of the presidency - a cartoon. Passed by. "Accept" - you can learn "God save the king."
          Postponed - "leapfrog" between two well-known characters of the "sweet couple" will continue

          ... until death do us part.
          Draw conclusions hi
          1. asv363 23 January 2020 16: 46 New
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            Alesia, in the documents submitted by the President of the Russian Federation to the State Duma of the Russian Federation there is nothing about increasing the number of terms at a post or about lifting this pro-Western limit.
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          3. your1970 23 January 2020 23: 19 New
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            Quote: lexus
            In the "gift box" offered to citizens, the key is the introduction of the structure of the State Council and the Russian analogue of "Elbasy". The promised "nishtyaki" only after the "accession". Yes, and nishtyaki?
            - yeah ... awesome "Elbasy" - if;
            "The main thing that catches your eye: there is no weakening of the presidential power in them. Rather, on the contrary, the president receives additional powers. First, it is said that president CAM forms a new authority - the Council of State."
            You do not confuse - but read to start the amendments ....
            GDP can no longer be president - accordingly, shuffling in the State Council is always possible
      5. Nyrobsky 23 January 2020 14: 14 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        I don’t understand, where are they in such a hurry?
        For a week heaped so much.

        No one is in a hurry. Along the way, the “right” option already exists and will be revealed in April for voting, but what is happening now is nothing more than a “smoke screen” or “ICD” - an imitation of frantic activity.
        January 15 - announced, and 23 presented. For what will determine the life of the country and the Russians for decades, only a week has been spent. The amazing speed with which not a single order of the president was executed, including the May decrees. Well, perhaps, they only conceded in the speed of adoption of the law on raising the retirement age.
        1. Odysseus 23 January 2020 14: 48 New
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          Quote: Nyrobsky
          For what will determine the life of the country and Russians for decades, it took only a week

          Some decades there ..... The task is purely tactical. To ensure the preservation of power-property to Putin and his clan. The next power (whatever it may be, in the range from Navalny to Strelkov) will cancel all this at once.
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          The amazing speed with which not a single order of the president was executed, including the May decrees.

          Preparations for the AP were conducted in advance. Both Volodin and Zorkin were instructed to voice it. They started the process after they could not finish Lukashenko.
          1. businessv 23 January 2020 14: 58 New
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            Quote: Odyssey
            The next government (whatever it may be, in the range from Navalny to Strelkov) will cancel all this at once.

            I think that it will be very difficult to do this! It definitely won’t work out at once - we’ll see what composition of the Parliament of 2021 we choose, then it will be possible to build at least rough forecasts!
            1. Odysseus 23 January 2020 15: 21 New
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              Quote: businessv
              I think that it will be very difficult to do this! It definitely won’t work at once

              Extremely simple. It is said that the amendments without convening the Constitutional Conference and the Referendum were illegal and were written for one person and are canceled. I am not even talking about those watered. forces that generally deny the 1993 constitution.
              Quote: businessv
              let's see which composition of Parliament 2021

              And so I will tell you what you will choose the composition of parliament. Win EP and get more than 50% of the vote. It’s only because of the general hatred of the population that it will be difficult to do this forehead this time. Falsifications and Admin Resource give 15-20%, but more is needed. Here 3 options are calculated.
              1) The creation of a new party in power, based on ONF.
              2) Putin is positioning himself as the leader of United Russia.
              3) EP is divided into 2 parties. "Right-conservative," and "Liberal."
              1. businessv 23 January 2020 22: 59 New
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                Quote: Odyssey
                Extremely simple. It is said that the amendments without convening the Constitutional Conference and the Referendum were illegal and were written for one person and are canceled.

                Maybe you know more than me, but
                Art. 135, part 2. If the proposal to revise the provisions of chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation is supported by three fifths of the total number of members of the Council of the Federation and deputies of the State Duma, then in accordance with federal constitutional law, the Constitutional Assembly is convened.
                And correspondingly
                Article 136 Amendments to chapters 3 to 8 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation shall be adopted in the manner prescribed for the adoption of the federal constitutional law, and shall enter into force after their approval by the legislative authorities of at least two-thirds of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.

                That is, first money, then chairs, so you can’t know whether the process will be legally illegal due to the fact that the discussion in the Duma has not even been completed, not that a vote has been taken! Well, and about who we choose, it’s you, obviously, from Vanga. Potroshenko, in the timeless one, also thought that he would have everything simple with the elections. Just just rats breed, colleague! hi
            2. Karabin 23 January 2020 17: 23 New
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              Quote: businessv
              let's see which composition of Parliament 2021 is chosen,

              Which on zomboyaschiku advertise, such and choose. First time or something.
              1. businessv 23 January 2020 23: 04 New
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                Quote: Karabin
                Which on zomboyaschiku advertise, such and choose. First time or something.

                laughing Judging by the answers, no one is going to go to the polls from those who wrote about them, everyone makes a reference to what someone should choose. For the second answer of this type you choose! And you?! good
                1. Karabin 24 January 2020 14: 52 New
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                  Quote: businessv
                  And you?!

                  Play with cheaters? Thank you, without me.
          2. krops777 23 January 2020 15: 48 New
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            Some decades there ..... The task is purely tactical. Ensure the preservation of power-property of Putin and his clan


            Actually, like in the USA, no matter who the president is, the country's course does not change from this, and given that in 1991 the Americans wrote the constitution to us, everything was sharpened for the further collapse of the country, and that would not allow the country to shake up the next color revolution, and a change is being made constitution. Only the people can change the constitutional system, but if they do it as in the USA it will never change.
          3. Alexey RA 23 January 2020 17: 15 New
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            Quote: Odyssey
            Some decades there ..... The task is purely tactical. To ensure the preservation of power-property to Putin and his clan. The next power (whatever it may be, in the range from Navalny to Strelkov) will cancel all this at once.

            Yeah ... and rewrite everything for yourself. Already passed with Gorbi and EBN.
      6. Overlock 23 January 2020 17: 34 New
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        Quote: Victor_B
        I don’t understand, where are they in such a hurry?

        the earth burns! External debt increased from 48 billion to 65 in 1 year
    2. Hunter 2 23 January 2020 13: 45 New
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      And in May you (We) will vote for what?
      1. kjhg 23 January 2020 13: 52 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        And in May you (We) will vote for what?

        Who told you that we will be allowed to vote? Voting will be the regional assembly of deputies, which are almost all of edrosov.
        1. WILL 23 January 2020 14: 06 New
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          The president clearly said in the message - finally the amendments will be adopted by the Voting of the Citizens of the Country!
          1. Andrey Chistyakov 23 January 2020 14: 12 New
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            The president clearly said in the message - finally the amendments will be adopted by the Voting of the Citizens of the Country!

            Gargantua did not get it. Rabelais needs him to help.
          2. Gardamir 23 January 2020 14: 40 New
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            So you will find out whether you are a citizen of the country or have come to smoke like that.
          3. We_smart 23 January 2020 15: 04 New
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            He also talked about retirement age.
        2. Edik 23 January 2020 17: 51 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          Who told you that we will be allowed to vote? Voting will be the regional assembly of deputies, which are almost all of edrosov.

          Vladimir Vladimirovich specially for YOU ALL HERE said that they would tell you that there will be a nationwide vote according to Article 2 !!! drinks
      2. Nyrobsky 23 January 2020 14: 17 New
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        And in May you (We) will vote for what?

        We will not be in May. We will be in April. Read yesterday yes
    3. Ka-52 23 January 2020 13: 52 New
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      prior (Vlad) Today, 13: 43
      Editing the Constitution without the approval of the people, without a referendum is a usurpation of power, this is an official coup d'etat.

      Before yelling about a violation of the Constitution, at least read its text to begin with. Amendments to the Constitution are accepted representatives of the federation. Not a referendum. Let me remind you specifically: the Constitution is the basic law of the Russian Federation
      1. Deniska999 23 January 2020 13: 56 New
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        In any case, what is happening is like a farce. The president suggested that in two days the bill is ready, a couple of days later approval by the Duma.
        1. Ka-52 23 January 2020 14: 08 New
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          In any case, what is happening is like a farce

          Do you propose these generally useful amendments to the country for 10 years on committees? Are you not comfortable with accepting the priority of Russian jurisdiction over foreign? Or are you not happy with the president’s time limit? Or the fact that a person with the citizenship of another country cannot become president? Or are you against the norm that establishes "the minimum wage at a level not lower than the subsistence level of the able-bodied population as a whole in Russia, as well as guarantees for the mandatory indexation of pensions, social benefits and other social benefits"?
          Your position is strange ...
          1. Karaul73 23 January 2020 14: 19 New
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            And before, a decade ago, such amendments were not relevant? Or now the rating has fallen below nowhere, and citizens need to roll a bone?
            Any sane person is clear.
            1. minomoto 23 January 2020 15: 02 New
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              No bill is bad, there is a bill too bad. Everything is always bad huh?
              1. yfast 23 January 2020 16: 20 New
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                Not the bill is bad, but the fuss about it, we’ll die right after a month, if we don’t accept it? When there is no success, they must be invented.
            2. Demon_is_ada 23 January 2020 18: 55 New
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              Sergey, it’s not a fall in the rating, it’s a deterioration in the quality of life laughing A high level gives a person confidence in fighting out and, accordingly, indifference to global processes that are very inertial and the principle works my hut from the edge, and after us even a flood. But the decline in the quality of life makes a person aggressive and a real threat is created, many being hungry for a week will be killed for a piece of bread, this is normal from the point of view of evolutionary developments, the most offensive thing is that in modern society they will kill for a promise of a piece of bread tomorrow ... even animals don’t are doing crying If you have excess wool, then you are cut laughing if only for yourself, then you will be fed for raising woollyness laughing Nothing personal, just a business, an ordinary business ...
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            Quote: Ka-52
            Are you not comfortable with accepting the priority of Russian jurisdiction over foreign?

            Thank God! And such a decision would suit 25 years ago.
          3. reservist 23 January 2020 15: 09 New
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            Quote: Ka-52
            Do you propose these generally useful amendments to the country for 10 years on committees?

            if these amendments are really so useful for the country, then what prevented them from starting to discuss 10 years ago and finally accepting them already, maybe they would have managed early ...
            from my narrow-minded point of view, it is not clear why to keep deputies and the Duma apparatus, if they adopt laws in fact without discussion ... it turns out that voting in the Duma is a formal action that does not affect anything ...
            again, from my narrow-minded point of view, there is nothing wrong with discussing laws that are really important for the country in advance, in Germany they have already begun discussing the next increase in the retirement age that they plan ... for 2070 ... it turns out that burghers look ahead for 50 years ...
            1. Mihail2019 23 January 2020 19: 24 New
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              And our state (I mean the current state apparatus with its head) has, in principle, no strategy for the development of the country. Tactical goals and short-term decisions. Hence all this booth. Hence, the planning horizon is by no means like that of burghers, but a maximum of five years, or even less - if only the annual budget converges. About strategic planning for the development of the country as a whole and the economy in particular - this is not for our leaders.
              Temporary workers - here’s an assessment for them!
            2. New Year day 23 January 2020 19: 33 New
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              Quote: reservist
              if these amendments are really so useful for the country, then what prevented them from starting to discuss them 10 years ago

              Then some were fresh and cheerful, but old age crept in unnoticed and wanted stability and so that the fairy tale would not end for him
          4. Ross xnumx 23 January 2020 16: 15 New
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            Quote: Ka-52
            Do you propose these generally useful amendments to the country for 10 years on committees?

            According to some amendments, in particular on the indexation of pensions, it is sufficient to recognize as invalid the law that suspended this indexation.
            An interesting feature of the Russian constitution is that the opinion of the people in terms of a referendum is not legalized here. The deputies of the State Duma and the Federation Council decide everything for us ...
            And, in fact, these “rogues” need it, for it’s not hell that every cook or cook there feels entitled to rule the state ...
            wassat
        2. reservist 23 January 2020 14: 16 New
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          Quote: Deniska999
          The president suggested that in two days the bill is ready, a couple of days later approval by the Duma.

          I even remembered ...
      2. prior 23 January 2020 14: 02 New
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        The revision is written, not the amendment. Editing is a significant change.
        And what does the current constitution say about the State Council? What is this organ, where does it grow from?
        1. Ka-52 23 January 2020 14: 13 New
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          The revision is written, not the amendment. Editing is a significant change.
          And what does the current constitution say about the State Council? What is this organ, where does it grow from?

          read Federal Law N 33-Federal Law. , the article seems to be 3. It defines who and how and why it adopts amendments to the Constitution. About the referendum there not a word. And do not stir up the water.
          1. Nikolay87 23 January 2020 14: 58 New
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            Quote: Ka-52
            The revision is written, not the amendment. Editing is a significant change.
            And what does the current constitution say about the State Council? What is this organ, where does it grow from?

            read Federal Law N 33-Federal Law. , the article seems to be 3. It defines who and how and why it adopts amendments to the Constitution. About the referendum there not a word. And do not stir up the water.

            And what should we learn from N 33-FZ "On Specially Protected Natural Areas" ?!

            "Updating the provisions of chapters 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 of the Constitution of Russia is carried out in the form a special act - the law of the Russian Federation on the amendment of the Constitution, which is adopted by parliament similarly to federal constitutional law, but also requires ratification by the legislative bodies of the constituent entities of the Federation for entry into force [1]. Moreover, one law of the Russian Federation on the amendment to the Constitution covers interrelated changes to the constitutional text; the law itself receives a name reflecting the essence of this amendment [2].

            Updating the provisions of chapters 1, 2, 9 of the Constitution of Russia is considered a revision of its fundamental provisions, which is possible only through the adoption of the new Constitution of the Russian Federation by the Constitutional Assembly either by popular vote (Article 135 of the Constitution of Russia). "

            - Data from an unpatriotic Wikipedia, where pride does not allow most of our patriots to enter. negative
            1. Ka-52 23 January 2020 15: 24 New
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              And what should we learn from N 33-FZ "On Specially Protected Natural Areas" ?!

              What does the protected area have to do with it? request
              - Data from an unpatriotic Wikipedia, where pride does not allow most of our patriots to enter.

              The text of article 9 of the Federal Law 33-FZ states:
              The legislative (representative) body of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation is obliged to consider the law of the Russian Federation on amending the Constitution of the Russian Federation within a period not later than one year from the date of its adoption in the manner established by this body on its own.

              Chapter 5, Articles 11-15 regulate the order
              Article 11. Establishment of the results of consideration by the legislative (representative) bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation of the law of the Russian Federation on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation
              Article 12. Signing and official publication by the President of the Russian Federation of the law of the Russian Federation on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation
              Article 13. Date of entry into force of the law of the Russian Federation on amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation
              Article 14. Introduction of the adopted amendment to the Constitution of the Russian Federation in the text of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
              1. Nikolay87 23 January 2020 15: 36 New
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                Please provide a link to the site where you get the information from.
                I found it myself ... There are 2 Federal Laws N 33-Federal Laws what what
                First
                - Federal Law of March 14, 1995 N 33-ФЗ "On Specially Protected Natural Territories" (as amended)
                Second
                - Federal Law of March 4, 1998 N 33-ФЗ "On the Procedure for the Adoption and Entry into Force of Amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation" (as amended)
              2. Nikolay87 23 January 2020 15: 48 New
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                Article 3, Federal Law of March 4, 1998 No. 33-FZ states that amendments apply to chapters of the Constitution from 3-8. So for others, a different procedure for making changes is provided.
        2. Overlock 23 January 2020 17: 43 New
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          Quote: prior
          And what does the current constitution say about the State Council?

          nothing!
          In Chapter 1 of the Basic Law it is written that in the Russian Federation there are only four bodies of state power: the president, the Federal Assembly, the government and the courts.
          To enter the state council there, it is necessary to change Chapter 1 only through the Constitutional Assembly.
          There is no law on the Constitutional Assembly. When they accept him, it is necessary to begin the formation of the Constitutional Assembly. And then the amendment on the creation of the State Council as an organ of state power should be introduced in the Duma, and three fifths of the total number of deputies and senators should vote for it.
          Then the Constitutional Assembly is convened - amendments to the State Council are submitted to it for discussion. And if the assembly decides that the amendment is useful, it will be necessary to create a new Constitution (even the Constitutional Assembly cannot amend it in Chapter 1).
          For this, not only does it take time. The Constitutional Assembly must vote for the new Constitution, or its draft new must be submitted to a popular vote. And more than 50% of eligible voters must take part in this vote.
          So the state council is outside the constitution, but the government has its own “constitution” - everything is possible
      3. Sergej1972 23 January 2020 20: 39 New
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        They are adopted first by the Duma and the Federation Council and then must be approved by the legislative bodies of at least three quarters of the subjects of the federation.
    4. kjhg 23 January 2020 13: 54 New
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      Quote: prior
      Editing the Constitution without the approval of the people, without a referendum is a usurpation of power, this is an official coup d'etat.

      Correctly, this is called a constitutional coup. In fact, usurpation has long taken place. Who if not cr..a he? The constitution has never been respected. Read her articles if you do not believe. Its price is the cost of paper and ink.
      1. Ka-52 23 January 2020 13: 58 New
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        More correctly, this is called a constitutional coup.

        specify in the text of the Constitution and in the Federal Law N 33-ФЗ dated March 4, 1998 the article obliging the approval of amendments to its text by a nationwide referendum.
      2. St Petrov 23 January 2020 14: 29 New
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        That's right, it's called a constitutional coup.


        wassat your moans caress our ears (c)

        Did Khodorkovsky even pay? Or for free? Twin

    5. Proton 23 January 2020 13: 55 New
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      The main articles do not change, they simply restore, as it should be, what usurpation.
      1. Overlock 23 January 2020 17: 44 New
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        Quote: Proton
        Main articles do not change, just restore

        In Chapter 1 of the Basic Law it is written that in the Russian Federation there are only four bodies of state power: the president, the Federal Assembly, the government and the courts.
        Where is the state council?
    6. Tank jacket 23 January 2020 14: 01 New
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      The coup was in 1991, and now the legitimate bringing of the colonial constitution of the Gaidar team in order. In the interests of citizens of the Russian Federation.
      1. ultra 23 January 2020 15: 58 New
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        Quote: Tank jacket
        and now the legal bringing of the colonial constitution of the Gaidar team in order. In the interests of citizens of the Russian Federation.

        And what change in the constitution will put in order?
      2. Karabin 23 January 2020 17: 35 New
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        Quote: Tank jacket
        In the interests of citizens of the Russian Federation.

        Don’t give you a lip-filling machine, citizen of the Russian Federation?
        1. Tank jacket 23 January 2020 20: 00 New
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          Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed holding a summit of the leaders of the Russian Federation, China, the USA, France and Great Britain on world issues in 2020. The Russian leader suggested "holding a meeting of the heads of state - permanent members of the UN Security Council - Russia, China, the United States, France and the UK, in any country, anywhere in the world where it will be convenient for colleagues." “Russia is ready for such a serious conversation, we intend to send appropriate messages to the leaders of the Five without delay,” the Russian leader assured. Here, as we have noted more than once, the new Yalta is planned ... The composition of the participants is determined. Next, we are waiting for the world the crisis and the new Bretton Woods ...
          1. Mordvin 3 23 January 2020 21: 44 New
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            Quote: Tank jacket
            Russian President Vladimir Putin has proposed holding a summit of the leaders of the Russian Federation, China, the USA, France and Great Britain on world issues in 2020.

            Where is his beloved Germany? Wandered with Merkel, or what?
            1. Tank jacket 24 January 2020 05: 45 New
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              Germany is not a member of the UN Security Council
      3. Overlock 23 January 2020 17: 45 New
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        Quote: Tank jacket
        In the interests of citizens of the Russian Federation.

        Rotenberg type to preserve personal wealth and integrity
    7. Svarog 23 January 2020 14: 02 New
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      Quote: prior
      Editing the Constitution without the approval of the people, without a referendum is a usurpation of power, this is an official coup d'etat.

      Official coup laughing Have our people ever listened to? If anyone has examples when the people, when adopting laws, important decisions, listened to the people, announce it? Here on another thread about the USA they wrote how the Americans are defending the right to weapons .. Maybe if the population of our country had the same amount of weapons in their hands, maybe then the authorities would remember the people?
      1. Ka-52 23 January 2020 14: 20 New
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        Official coup

        Svarog, and I repeat the question for you: what exactly do you have against these amendments to the constitution? Can you formulate without populism WHAT they do not suit you?
        1. St Petrov 23 January 2020 14: 30 New
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          Svarog, and I repeat the question for you: you specifically ...


          Khodorkovsky is against it. Why the rest of the specifics? The echo of Moscow is also against. The State Department against and Svarog with Sylvester and the guarantor. Everything coincided.

        2. Svarog 23 January 2020 14: 45 New
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          Quote: Ka-52
          What exactly do you have against these amendments to the Constitution?

          I am generally for the Constitution of the USSR ..
          1. Ka-52 23 January 2020 15: 04 New
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            I am generally for the Constitution of the USSR ..

            I'm not talking about your attitude to the Constitution. I declare WHAT specifically does not suit you in the specified amendments, since you write about
            Official coup

            do not agree - write specifically with what. With the text of which amendment. Otherwise, you look like a talker who resents against what he does not even know
            1. Svarog 23 January 2020 15: 10 New
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              Quote: Ka-52
              do not agree - write specifically with what. With the text of which amendment. Otherwise, you look like a talker who resents against what he does not even know

              So you will post these amendments so that we can discuss them .. Have you seen them yourself? But I don’t like the Constitution written by Bora by the Americans .. I am for the Constitution of the USSR, will that be clearer?
              1. Ka-52 23 January 2020 15: 30 New
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                So you will post these amendments so that we can discuss them .. Have you seen them yourself?

                that is, you are shouting about lawlessness and coup d'etat, EVEN NOT KNOWING THE ESSENCE OF WHICH SCREAMING ABOUT?
                This is very indicative of the numerous commentators on this site - to yell without even knowing the subject of their indignation. A curtain
                1. Svarog 23 January 2020 15: 32 New
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                  Quote: Ka-52
                  that is, here you are shouting about lawlessness and a coup d'etat, EVEN NOT KNOWING THE ESSENCE OF WHICH YOU SCREAMING ABOUT?

                  You are so outraged, but the amendments have not been posted .. It's ridiculous wassat laughing
                  1. Ka-52 23 January 2020 15: 57 New
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                    You are so outraged, but the amendments have not been posted .. It's ridiculous

                    resent your stupid behavior is not shameful. Read Google for corrections. Although there is no full text there yet, the general content is without difficulty. I would understand your position if they wrote what exactly you were outraged in this event. But you don’t need it, you can easily live and write without it. At what always, judging by the history of your comments lol
                    1. Svarog 23 January 2020 16: 05 New
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                      Quote: Ka-52
                      I would understand your position if they wrote what exactly you were outraged in this event.

                      I am not indignant about this particular event, but express skepticism .. Note, unlike you. My skepticism lies in the fact that I do not expect anything good from the leaders who now run the country (good for ordinary citizens of the country), but the speed with which these amendments are implemented is surprising .. and wariness, because they are in a hurry, when 30 years were in no hurry .. You, in turn, yourself really do not know what it is about
                      Although there is no full text there yet, the general content is easily
                      and, the devil, he just lies in the little things .. But holy believe that this will be good .. How many times have we gotten along on a plausible excuse .. The essence of my comments now I hope is clear .. hi
                      1. asv363 23 January 2020 17: 21 New
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                        Amendments (changes) considered in the State Duma of the Russian Federation:
                        http://asozd2c.duma.gov.ru/addwork/scans.nsf/ID/D6CC4D82492F601E432584F5004BA0B7/$FILE/885214-7_20012020_885214-7.PDF?OpenElement

                        The pro-Western restriction in 2 terms remains.

                        For good, under the guise, it is possible to include the DPR with the LPR in Russia as rights to the regions.
                      2. St Petrov 24 January 2020 14: 35 New
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                        and, the devil, he just lies in the details .. But holy believe that this will do good ..


                        Why am I not surprised that your position once again coincided with the position of the BBC (Anglo-Saxons)? Why is this normal? You are not Anglo-Saxon. You're just Ivan, beating himself on the head in every comment.

                        Why is Antloha, as Novodvorskaya says, that our people are not the same and they like you here? This is all the crazy world, Buzova and the salaries of players from the same category of questions. Although there are also many Svidomo Romanians, Ukrainians and Chukhons with other balts. So your audience is generally understood. A third of the epaulette is offended by the Russian - plusers)




                        there comments are fire. laughing
                    2. solzh 23 January 2020 16: 37 New
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                      Quote: Ka-52
                      Although there is no full text there yet, the general content is without difficulty.

                      You can be understood in this way: Execution cannot be pardoned.
                      There is no comma in this sentence, but there is general content.
          2. paul3390 23 January 2020 15: 16 New
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            I am generally for the Constitution of the USSR ..
            - and the 36th year ..
        3. victor50 23 January 2020 14: 53 New
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          Quote: Ka-52
          Svarog, and I repeat the question for you: what exactly do you have against these amendments to the Constitution? Can you formulate without populism WHAT they do not suit you?

          Have you seen these “useful” amendments? I can’t find them and get acquainted? Do not tell me where? Just don’t just send to the State Duma website - I couldn’t find their text there.
          1. AVA77 23 January 2020 15: 02 New
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            Looking bad.
            http://duma.gov.ru/news/47599/
            1. victor50 23 January 2020 15: 12 New
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              Quote: AVA77
              Looking bad.
              http://duma.gov.ru/news/47599/

              Thank! But, unfortunately, this is not the text of the amendments, but a statement of their content. I would like to get acquainted with the text. For, for example, the content in the text of the Law (Constitution) of the phrase “in the manner prescribed by the Federal Law (Government Decree, etc.)” makes this norm itself not valid, at least for the time being, until the adoption of the relevant normative act. It was similar in the USSR when the Secretary General declared that every young family, it seems, should have a separate apartment at the time of the birth of a child, but the legislative act on this issue has not been adopted. My friend frolic on this declaration, many officials shook his nerves. lol
              1. AVA77 23 January 2020 15: 52 New
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                So, there is no concrete text yet. For this we need all these readings and coordination to catch the jambs and there was a specific text.
                1. victor50 23 January 2020 16: 11 New
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                  Quote: AVA77
                  So, there is no concrete text yet. For this we need all these readings and coordination to catch the jambs and there was a specific text.

                  Constitution 93 was discussed publicly, although the period was very ridiculous in brevity! lol In reality, even with the mass enthusiasm of the people (be it), most of the proposals simply could not be considered. But the appearance was created .. But, the 93rd is still that little time! "There is no stability!" laughing I don’t understand what is causing the rush at present? And what is the secrecy in the President’s proposals that they cannot be published for public review and study before they are adopted by the “approvals” method, which some people differ in (I haven’t read, but heard and agree)? I am not about you. And the devil often hides in the details. Distorted a quote? laughing
                  1. AVA77 23 January 2020 16: 22 New
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                    What to bring to the public? If there is no ready-made text. People, we are here in the Duma, for all the good versus all the bad, how do you approve or discuss? wink
                    1. victor50 23 January 2020 16: 25 New
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                      Quote: AVA77
                      What to put on public display? If there is no finished text.

                      A bill is a finished text. Another thing is that it can be amended. if they are ...
          2. Ross xnumx 23 January 2020 16: 29 New
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            Quote: victor50
            Have you seen these “useful” amendments? I can’t find them and get acquainted?

            Pliz ...
            Also among the possible adjustments to the Basic Law of the country, the President of the Russian Federation sees the following:
            - consolidation of the principles of a unified system of public authority, mechanisms of effective interaction between state and municipal bodies (with the expansion of local self-government);
            - the introduction into the Constitution of the Russian Federation of a norm stating that the minimum wage in Russia cannot be lower than the size of the living wage of the able-bodied population;
            reflection in the document of the principles of decent retirement benefits (including regular indexation of pensions);
            - consolidation of the status and role of the State Council, in which the heads of all regions take part (this is necessary to enhance the role of governors in the development and adoption of decisions at the federal level);
            - the establishment of the powers of the State Duma to approve the candidacy of the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation, and then, on the proposal of the latter, and of all deputy prime ministers and federal ministers;
            introduction of the principle of the appointment by the president of the leaders of the "power departments" following consultations with the Federation Council;
            - consolidation of the right of the upper house of parliament, on the proposal of the President of the Russian Federation, to remove from office judges of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation and the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation in the event they commit misconduct that defames honor and dignity, and in other cases provided for by law;
            - empowering the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, at the request of the President of the Russian Federation, to verify the constitutionality of laws adopted by the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation, before they are signed by the president.
            1. victor50 23 January 2020 17: 22 New
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              Quote: ROSS 42
              Have you seen these “useful” amendments? I can’t find them and get acquainted?

              Pliz ...
              Also among the possible adjustments to the Basic Law of the country, the President of the Russian Federation sees the following:

              This is again a statement, not a text of a bill. The intentions are clear to me, I want to see the implementation mechanism. The law may not at all correspond to the wishes expressed (intentions, slogans), but, on the contrary, contradict them. Back in the USSR, I came across laws that supposedly strengthen responsibility, but actually reduce it. I won’t go into details, I don’t think that anyone will be interested here. And about taperich in general it is not necessary to speak. Senior LSU graduates with their teams have already taken this! request Not so high-ranking practitioners from the same institution (and others, no less respected) can already understand this accepted! lol
        4. ultra 23 January 2020 16: 02 New
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          The President forms the State Council “in order to ensure the coordinated functioning and interaction of state authorities, to determine the main directions of domestic and foreign policy and priority areas of socio-economic development of the state. Are you satisfied with this amendment? I personally am not.
        5. ultra 23 January 2020 16: 04 New
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          With the exception of the appointment of ministers, the rest are not needed at all in the constitution; there are laws in them and amendments.
      2. AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 14: 46 New
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        The last time the authorities listened to the people in the Novgorod Republic. About 800 years ago.
        1. Svarog 23 January 2020 14: 58 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          The last time the authorities listened to the people in the Novgorod Republic. About 800 years ago.

          Not quite so .. In the USSR, an ordinary person had significantly more rights and was socially protected, respectively, the Soviet government listened better to its people. And true democracy really was 800 years ago .. but we need socialism .. Only it will bring happiness to the vast majority of the population of our country. Socialism, given the mistakes of the past.
          1. paul3390 23 January 2020 15: 14 New
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            Under the Soviet regime, a citizen could complain: to the deputy, to the Council, write to the newspaper (very serious at that time), the party committee, the prosecutor’s office, to the difficult organization of the KNK, the trade union, etc. - and everywhere they HAD to accept the complaint for consideration and give an answer. And now - who needs us? Deputies - and they do not hold us for people. So when was the true people's power - then under the type of totalitarianism, or now under the type of democracy?
          2. AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 15: 20 New
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            You wanted to say "social state"? I am for both hands! But the administrative-command economy and state ownership of all means of production, we definitely do not need. This did not lead to good.
            1. paul3390 23 January 2020 15: 23 New
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              Yes? Actually - we are now eating up what was created under this type of poor command economy .. And if it weren’t for the great Stalin, we would have been bombed for a long time ..
              1. AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 16: 10 New
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                No, we are trying to get out of the wreckage of this very administrative - command team. Which on a global scale turned out to be worthless.
                1. paul3390 23 January 2020 16: 34 New
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                  I wonder what will happen when you get out from the wreckage of the great Soviet heritage .. From the oil industry, Gazprom, the atom, energy supply, etc., etc. .. Something purely bourgeois, what will remain? In general - liberals are amazing characters, 30 years to fatten on the Soviet, and at the same time - the Soviet Union to shit and water! Some kind of phenomenon ..
                  1. AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 16: 58 New
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                    Thank God, we almost got out of the wreckage of the Soviet automobile industry. Of those cave level cars. From under the civil aviation industry - we get out quietly. In oil and gas wasteful Soviet technology is also little used. Nothing, get a little better.
                    1. IS-80_RVGK2 23 January 2020 17: 50 New
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                      “In January 2019, Alliance Rostec Auto BV, a joint venture between Renault-Nissan Alliance (68%) and Rostec State Corporation (32%), increased its stake in AvtoVAZ to 100% and became the sole shareholder of the automaker. After that, AvtoVAZ filed an application on delisting of shares from the Moscow Exchange. "
                      laughing good This is all you need to know about our effective managers and getting the auto industry off its knees.
                      1. AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 17: 55 New
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                        And it was better to produce auto trash, but completely own? By the principle of "your shit does not smell"? Well, yes, "the Soviet have their own pride"
                        Do you think that our people deserve to ride on buckets with nuts?
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        And it was better to produce auto trash, but completely own? By the principle of "your shit does not smell"? Well, yes, "the Soviet have their own pride"

                        But what about the tight import substitution? And - "the Soviet government itself could not, but we could!"? laughing
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                        If we replace it, then it will not be surrogates "but it will do," but really high-quality components. Otherwise, do not break the spears. And oh, how difficult it is to make world-class products.
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                        And oh, how difficult it is to make world-class products.

                        in other climatic and logistic conditions. important to add. and there is still a whole list of others, and sometimes wild (not market) as an example, an attempt to purchase Opel.

                        but it’s easier to write a forum post and “banter” your power (which is equivalent to hitting yourself on the forehead)

                        here it is useless to appeal to logic in places. Do not be surprised.
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                        Let's not talk about logic? Bo there everything is sad.
                2. New Year day 23 January 2020 19: 41 New
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  And it was better to produce auto trash, but completely own? By the principle of "your shit does not smell"? Well, yes, "the Soviet have their own pride"
                  Do you think that our people deserve to ride on buckets with nuts?


                  That is, do you think that Russian engineers are not able to create their own high-quality domestic car? Zircon, Poseidon - we can, but no cars laughing
                3. AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 19: 44 New
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                  We can do weapons. Undoubtedly. But with the auto industry, something is wrong with us. Over the entire period of Russian / Soviet history, not a single standing civilian vehicle. So we do not know how.
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  Over the entire period of Russian / Soviet history, not a single standing civilian vehicle.

                  GAZ-21. wink
                5. AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 20: 56 New
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                  The Gaz-21 concept was really good. Automatic transmission, development of injection injection was carried out. But in the early 60s the model was already outdated, but it was stupidly kept on the conveyor, instead of changing the lineup. Neither the injector nor the machine (except for the first parties) Volga never received.
                  Moskvich 412. At one time, he won the international rally, and in Belgium he assembled using the screwdriver method. Again the same rake: instead of changing generations, he was tormented in production for more than twenty years. The costs of a planned economy.
                6. Karen 23 January 2020 21: 11 New
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                  Quote: AU Ivanov.
                  Moskvich 412. At one time and won the international rally in

                  He knew the race car driver that he had taken that car from the rally of the 66th year ... He told me that somehow on the way to Yerevan the road was excavated by an excavator, and in order not to wind the extra couple hundred kilometers, he decided to “fly” over the trench by high speed ... He said that a few nuts flew off just :)
              2. Mordvin 3 23 January 2020 21: 51 New
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                GAZ-21

                Victory is better when you consider the time frame.
  2. Ross xnumx 23 January 2020 17: 56 New
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    Quote: paul3390
    In general - liberals are amazing characters, 30 years to fatten on the Soviet, and at the same time - the Soviet Union to shit and water! Some kind of phenomenon ..

    Have you not met such people?
    Chubais. Has state ownership, calls for a market economy and has been working in state structures all his life ...
  • Svarog 23 January 2020 15: 31 New
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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    But the administrative-command economy and state ownership of all means of production, we definitely do not need. This did not lead to good.

    Here in this part, it is just necessary to take into account the mistakes of the past. State property is needed only for natural resources, and for everything and for strategic industrial enterprises. And of course to energy enterprises. To control the tariffs. All. The rest is in the hands of business, under state control. But the economy, just, should be an administrative command team. But in this part you need to pay special attention to the motivation of the staff, which should be tied to a specific result. I’ve been working in Western companies for 20 years and their economy, especially the American one, can be safely called an administrative command team ..
    1. paul3390 23 January 2020 16: 31 New
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      Actually - the Stalinist economy should be taken as a basis. The main thing is that there should be no exploitation of workers and private ownership of the means of production. And so - artels, cooperatives, general households - but for God's sake. Especially in the service sector and consumer goods ..
    2. Ross xnumx 23 January 2020 17: 58 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      State property is needed only on

      State property is needed where a private trader cannot dictate his terms on prices, programs and tariffs. In this regard, very reasonable reasoning Platoshkina NN But you, in principle, indicated everything.
      1. Svarog 23 January 2020 18: 14 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        In this regard, very reasonable reasoning Platoshkina NN

        Platoshkin really respect!
        1. Golovan Jack 23 January 2020 18: 20 New
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          Quote: Svarog
          Ploshchiki very respect!

          Is this probably something edible? It's tasty? wink
          1. Svarog 23 January 2020 18: 23 New
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            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Quote: Svarog
            Ploshchiki very respect!

            Is this probably something edible? Tasty? wink

            Thanks for the help .. Fortunately there is Golovan laughing
            1. Ross xnumx 23 January 2020 18: 46 New
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              Thanks for the help .. The blessing is Golovan

              He sometimes makes such correct conclusions that I simply have to zealously "plus" ... Straight Savva Morozov ... Tretyakov in the Russian version ... wink
            2. Golovan Jack 23 January 2020 20: 22 New
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              Quote: Svarog
              Thanks for the help ..

              Kirieshki ... dumplings ... handkerchiefs request
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              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Quote: Svarog
              Thanks for the help ..

              Kirieshki ... dumplings ... handkerchiefs request

              It seems to you over fifty? what
            4. Golovan Jack 23 January 2020 20: 47 New
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              It seems to you over fifty?

              It seems - in the company (s).

              The specifics of the work, there are a lot of young animals around, toothy ... uh, yes, okay - you don’t understand all one ... request
      2. IS-80_RVGK2 23 January 2020 21: 21 New
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        This is another demagogue. Like kurginyan.
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          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          This is another demagogue. Like kurginyan

          ATP, I'm on the run ... besides - he likes Svarog and the company so much that there simply cannot be two opinions laughing
    3. Ross xnumx 23 January 2020 18: 54 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      Platoshkin really respect!

      I found an interesting opinion:
      1. Svarog 23 January 2020 18: 59 New
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        I fully share the opinion of N.N. Platoshkin. But I’m not sure that the referendum will be held on April 12.
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          Do you share his demagoguery? good
  • strannik1985 23 January 2020 18: 36 New
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    State property is needed only for natural resources

    From this "only" it follows that ~ 90% of industrial enterprises will be state-owned. The specifics of the situation in the USSR, and now the RF-isolated economy and finance, cannot be stimulated by non-market methods, as is done in the West. We need another way, it is, but the current bigwigs will never do such a thing.
    1. Golovan Jack 23 January 2020 20: 26 New
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      Quote: strannik1985
      From this "only" it follows that ~ 90% of industrial enterprises will be state-owned

      Controversial.

      I'd rather say at least someone what exactly is not from natural resources now in state property (The Constitution does not need to be quoted, I read it).
      1. strannik1985 24 January 2020 03: 21 New
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        Controversial

        It's not about ownership as such. Money is needed for everything and everything, however, if roughly, the total money supply should not exceed the volume of goods and services in the economy. The Bolsheviks came up with a tricky trick how to circumvent inflation through the circulation of raw materials / products within the system of state enterprises. There, cash was used only for salaries and urgent needs. As a result, the budget seems to be large, and barely a tenth of it is in cash.
  • paul3390 23 January 2020 15: 30 New
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    No, about 50 years ago - the government was completely different ..

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    In general - we have about 7 million trunks in our hands .. It’s clear - someone has two or three, but in general - 4 million armed healthy men will be typed ..
    1. your1970 23 January 2020 23: 40 New
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      Quote: paul3390
      In general - we have about 7 million trunks in our hands .. It’s clear - someone has two or three, but in general - 4 million armed healthy men will be typed ..

      -In the USA, too, they thought so - "Everyone in Ferguson is armed. Everything is complete !! we will show them how to kill blacks !!!" ...
      and then the National Guard came with machine guns and all the blacks in Fergusson just in case cut down the fly .....
  • Wertgan 23 January 2020 15: 00 New
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    The people betrayed their homeland with three referenda in the 90s, and even now they have understood their actions to the end. But he will have the opportunity to go out and vote
  • asv363 23 January 2020 15: 52 New
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    I don’t know why the norm of two consecutive terms was set aside as the maximum possible time for the President to rule the country. For example, my friend has been leading the creation of monitoring, control and communication systems for 16 years now - what should I remove from the leadership? And the president cannot be more than 2 terms. Atavism of some kind. There is nothing in the amendment package about the abolition of this suede-pro-Western norm in our constitution.
    1. your1970 23 January 2020 23: 42 New
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      Quote: asv363
      For example, my friend has been leading the creation of monitoring, control and communication systems for 16 years now - what should I remove from the leadership? And the president cannot be more than 2 terms. Atavism of some kind. There is nothing in the amendment package about the abolition of this suede-pro-Western norm in our constitution.
      -a apparently got their hysteria on VO- "Unchangeable !!! for a long time supervises !! it is time to change !!!"
      therefore, it is now impossible to be president for more than two terms in general ... even in a row, even with a breakdown ...
      1. asv363 24 January 2020 00: 07 New
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        You are right, no more than two terms are written. Why - I never understand. My neighbor, served in the army, graduated from a vocational school with an electrician, and over time received an admission for high voltages and currents. He still works, and if he decides to leave - so with his biography - 50 years by profession, he will also be offered twice as much. And for the president, for some reason, you can’t!
  • Barmaleyka 23 January 2020 16: 44 New
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    this is an official coup

    and what exactly is PERSONAL for YOU in the amendments do not like, I’d add to the ban on citizenship of officials including city heads and would also add family members
    ps it seems like a referendum should be or is nga right?
    1. Mordvin 3 23 January 2020 21: 55 New
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      I’d add to the ban on citizenship of officials, including city heads, and I would also add family members

      And in this case, Putin would not have automatically flown out of his chair?
      1. Barmaleyka 23 January 2020 22: 01 New
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        Do you have accurate data on where his children live? !!!
        or do you like to rely on information from the yellow press ?!
        1. Mordvin 3 23 January 2020 22: 09 New
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          Do you have accurate data on where his children live? !!!

          No. I just asked a question. Are you sure that they do not have foreign citizenship? I'm not sure.
          1. Barmaleyka 23 January 2020 22: 54 New
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            No.

            then what is your first question?
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Are you sure that they do not have foreign citizenship? I'm not sure.

            for example, I’m not sure that kirkorov is not a fagot, so what should I put him in for propaganda of pederasty?
            there are facts in the studio, no ...
            no and no trial
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              Quote: Barmaleyka
              then what is your first question?

              And besides, I’m 95 percent sure that his daughters still have foreign citizenship, and therefore your offer will not work.
              Quote: Barmaleyka
              for example, I’m not sure that Kirkorov is not a fagot

              Dzhigurda is to blame for everything. repeat
              1. Barmaleyka 24 January 2020 08: 13 New
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                And besides, I’m 95 percent sure that his daughters still have foreign citizenship,

                what is belief based on ?!
                1. Mordvin 3 24 January 2020 11: 23 New
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                  what is belief based on?

                  On the OBS.
                  1. Barmaleyka 24 January 2020 12: 15 New
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                    that is, you agree that on the basis of yard gossip you need to be imprisoned for rape?
                    1. Mordvin 3 24 January 2020 12: 58 New
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                      Quote: Barmaleyka
                      that is, you agree that on the basis of yard gossip you need to be imprisoned for rape?

                      You must prove it first. Given the adoption of the law on the inadmissibility of foreign civil servants occupying positions, checks and inquiries will obviously be carried out. But there is no trial.
                    2. Barmaleyka 24 January 2020 13: 11 New
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                      You must prove it first.

                      OOOOOT !!!!
                      with this and start about GDP
                      and then immediately get
                    3. Mordvin 3 24 January 2020 13: 20 New
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                      with this and start about GDP

                      That you started about the law on citizenship of relatives. They will not accept him. First of all, the sand truck Peskov and others like him will fly, whose relatives do not hide foreign citizenship. And Putin’s relatives are covered in darkness.
                    4. Barmaleyka 24 January 2020 16: 04 New
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                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      That you started about the citizenship law

                      belay
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      And in this case, Putin would not have automatically flown out of his chair?
  • Altona 23 January 2020 16: 57 New
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    Editing the Constitution without the approval of the people, without a referendum is a usurpation of power, this is an official coup d'etat.

    --------------------
    Someone Zhenya Fedorov with his GCD squeaked that the Constitution was "American" and "inviolable." Now this Constitution is being rewritten on the knee without a people and the Constitutional Assembly and nothing. "Social guarantees" is Putin's minimal. That is, each resident of Russia is guaranteed a Nazi minimum, and not a basic minimum, and not even the right to life. This is a junk, not an amendment.
  • HUMANOID 23 January 2020 20: 31 New
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    Editing the Constitution without the approval of the people, without a referendum is a usurpation of power, this is an official coup d'etat.
    The main thing in a referendum or poll is to correctly pose the question (or comma). Experienced political strategists will make the referendum result almost 100% predictable.
  • Hunter 2 23 January 2020 13: 44 New
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    Actually the news is expected!
    1. KAVBER 23 January 2020 13: 49 New
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      Actually not even news, so, a statement of fact
  • Prjanik 23 January 2020 13: 44 New
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    Really, finally, I congratulate everyone on the priority of Russian law over the right of the international mafia! Probably the most important amendment, national sovereignty is what we lost in Gorbieltsin's time and what was officially recorded in the comprador Constitution of '93!
    1. Deniska999 23 January 2020 13: 52 New
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      The first chapter does not change, namely, Article 15, so that, essentially, nothing will change.
      1. Prjanik 23 January 2020 14: 01 New
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        Why did you decide so, the amendment just provides that in Russia the requirements of international law and treaties will only apply to the extent that they do not contradict the Constitution in any way. Simply put, it will be: "we respect your international law, but we will do it our own way."
        1. DNS-a42 23 January 2020 15: 00 New
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          So it was before. Nodist sectarians rejoice, but they are not aware that the constitution always was more important than international laws.
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            "Decisions of interstate bodies adopted on the basis of the provisions of international treaties of the Russian Federation in their interpretation, contrary to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, shall not be enforced in the Russian Federation."; - That is, this edition of Article 79 doesn’t mean anything to you? Before that, the only move was the adoption of a constitutional law in 2015 under which we are not obliged to comply with decisions of international courts.
            1. DNS-a42 23 January 2020 15: 25 New
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              You get dust in the eyes. Contracts could not be executed before, there would be a desire. Here is the Constitutional Court back in 2015 and explained that in all cases the last word remains with us.

              Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation Tatyana Moskalkova:
              Proposed wording does not change the primacy of lawshe thinks.
              "The emphasis is slightly different than in today's part 4 of article 15 of the Constitution, which states that international treaties of the Russian Federation have higher force than laws in case of conflict, referring to those agreements and conventions, which have been ratified by Russia and passed legislative procedures".
              1. Prjanik 23 January 2020 15: 35 New
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                Could not be executed if they adopted the corresponding law! Of course it would be nice if this happened back in the year 15, but there was a decision only on international courts. I can’t even believe that this happened now.
              2. Prjanik 23 January 2020 15: 49 New
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                Quote: DNS-a42
                Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation Tatyana Moskalkova:
                The proposed wording does not change the primacy of law, she said.
                "The emphasis is slightly different than in today's part 4 of article 15 of the Constitution, which says that international treaties of the Russian Federation have higher force than laws in case of conflict, we mean those agreements and conventions that have been ratified by Russia and passed legislative procedures fastening. "

                Under article 15, we participate in international treaties and respect international law, and whether we follow them or not, this is in article 79 (amended).
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                  You can not participate in contracts without concluding or terminating them. The wording concerns exclusively laws that the Russian Federation has adopted.
                  1. Prjanik 23 January 2020 16: 02 New
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                    It is impossible not to participate in any international treaties. Now, by law, you can adhere to the terms of the contract when it is beneficial to us, and not comply when it is not profitable. As the same US with the WTO do, in which the priority of national law over international.
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                      Quote: Prjanik
                      the United States with the WTO does this, in which national law takes precedence over international law.

                      The US Constitution
                      Article VI paragraph 2: “This Constitution and the laws of the United States taken to enforce it, as well as all treaties concluded or to be concluded on behalf of the United States, are the supreme law of the country; and judges in each state are required to follow this right, regardless of any provisions of the Constitution that contradict it or the laws of any state. ”
                      Listen less to TV
                      1. Prjanik 23 January 2020 18: 44 New
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                        That's right, they have the priority of sovereign law and the Constitution over international law, I’m writing the same thing!
                      2. your1970 23 January 2020 23: 46 New
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                        Quote: Prjanik
                        That's right, they have the priority of sovereign law and the Constitution over international law, I’m writing the same thing!
                        -you write the exact opposite
                        Quote: Overlock
                        as well as all treatiesthat are concluded or will be concluded on behalf of the United States are sovereign country law;
                      3. Prjanik 24 January 2020 02: 07 New
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                        Then let's take a closer look. "treaties that are or will be on behalf of the United States." I.e:
                        Firstly, these international treaties must be ratified by the United States, otherwise they do not care.
                        Secondly, they still will not have priority over the Constitution, since US laws are also supreme law of the country.
                        The most interesting thing is what happens if there is a contradiction between them, because formally in accordance with Art. VI of the US Constitution, they have the same legal force.
                        The indicated problem is solved with the help of the last-in-time rule, developed by the judicial practice, the main points of which are as follows: “If a contract later in time of adoption conflicts with a previously adopted federal law, then the contractual provisions cancel the validity of the relevant national legal act, but only if the provisions of the contract are“ self-enforceable ”. In the same case, when the norms of an international treaty are "not self-enforceable", they will not have any advantage until the US Congress adopts a new federal legislative act as part of the implementation of the treaty. "
                        The situation becomes much more complicated when the most recent federal law is in conflict with a previously adopted international treaty. In such cases, American legal practice, as a rule, proceeds from the fact that the US Congress has the right to reject or annul the domestic effect of US international obligations. At the same time, however, it is specifically emphasized that, although the provisions of the international treaty cease to have binding force for American courts or administrative bodies, they retain their legal force internationally.
                        Well, the delineation of international treaties depends on the discretion of the judiciary and, moreover, within the framework of the same international agreement, some of its provisions may be recognized as “self-executable”, while others may not.
                        This is the "priority of international law."
  • Altona 23 January 2020 17: 05 New
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    Really, finally, I congratulate everyone on the priority of Russian law over the right of the international mafia!

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    The priority of the Russian mafia over the international? You write some heresy. All this was before, they simply stuck the NOD phrase.
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      Thank you, I am aware that the global mafiosi and they are serving against the sovereignty of Russia. hi
      1. Altona 23 January 2020 21: 25 New
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        Quote: Prjanik
        Thank you, I am aware that the global mafiosi and they are serving against the sovereignty of Russia.

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        Pavel, let's see how our athletes come out in what form and what colors at the Olympics, especially how the athletics team will come out. And then the "supremacy" of national law over international law will be seen.
  • Sergey39 23 January 2020 13: 44 New
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    It turns out that they themselves voted against themselves? There, half have views of foreign citizenship.
    1. KAVBER 23 January 2020 13: 51 New
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      So they made an offer that they could not refuse
    2. Svarog 23 January 2020 14: 06 New
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      Quote: Sergey39
      It turns out that they themselves voted against themselves? There, half have views of foreign citizenship.

      So they probably already have a loophole ready to get around .. this is how Kolomoisky said ... - yes .. the law of Ukraine prohibits dual citizenship, but triple and no longer prohibits .. wassat
      1. Altona 23 January 2020 17: 07 New
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        So they probably already have a loophole ready to get around ..

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        They will throw out passports in public, Volodya. laughing Rather, a duplicate for the public. The artists are there alone, the right word.
  • Loess 23 January 2020 13: 53 New
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    The document, which is considered by the State Duma, proposes to amend article 22 of the Constitution in chapters three to eight.
    Announce the entire list, please ...
    1. Sergej1972 23 January 2020 13: 59 New
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      A few days have passed since the publication of the full text of the amendments. Go to the websites of the State Duma or the Federation Council and download.
  • Alex66 23 January 2020 14: 00 New
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    And so the saying goes: the rush is needed when catching fleas and diarrhea.
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    "The Kremlin tentatively scheduled the date for the all-Russian vote. It will take place after the adoption of the amendments by the Duma and the Federation Council"
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      "The Kremlin tentatively scheduled the date for the all-Russian vote.

      Moreover, they already know the result of voting up to a percentage. wink
  • Odysseus 23 January 2020 14: 35 New
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    Putin is conducting a constitutional coup with enchanting speed. From a tactical point of view, this is true; a coup needs a pace. At the first stage, of course, everything will grow together and there will be no problems.
    A little surprised only by the position of the Communist Party, expected that for decency they refrain. However, a strict instruction was received from Ap-Chechka. They are confidently following the path of the Communist Party of Ukraine.
    PS It turned out elegantly with the "abolition of the priority of international law." I really thought that they really decided to fight a little with the Western partners and wondered how they would change Chapter 1. And they changed Article 79, not Article 15 smile This is a series of how to observe innocence and acquire capital ...
    1. Altona 23 January 2020 17: 33 New
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      From a tactical point of view, this is true; a coup needs a pace.

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      Like playing hockey in the opposite. Surely among the security forces sedition is ripening and a bet on an armed coup. Therefore, so that the "alliances of salvation" do not mature, they strengthen the so-called State Council.
      1. Odysseus 24 January 2020 11: 06 New
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        Like playing hockey in the opposite.

        Rather, there is a knowledge of general principles. In any revolution / coup (for this aspect there is no difference between them) the most important thing is decisiveness and pace. Opponents (whoever they are) should not have time to organize resistance.
        Quote: Altona
        Surely among the siloviki sedition is ripening and a bet on an armed coup

        I have not heard anything about this, and I doubt it very much. The top officials of the security forces are now elected on the basis of personal loyalty and they are very rich. They do not need any coup. Moreover, their well-being is connected personally with Putin. Look at the conditional Zolotov. What a coup here ....
        But in general, the question of why the “transfer” began so early, 4 years before the end of the presidential term is very interesting. There is something to think about ....
  • nm76 23 January 2020 15: 07 New
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    Gentlemen, I want to share with you the joy of introducing amendments to the constitution, namely the rule of law over international law.
    Enlighten please, what is, in your opinion, a grandiose plus for the final layman?
    1. Malevich 23 January 2020 16: 19 New
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      I’m just as interested, after the adoption of this amendment, will Russian mobile operators, banks (including the State Bank), insurance companies, Russian post, Russian Railways, Rosneft, Gazprom, etc., enter the Crimea? If I understand correctly, without this amendment, only the security forces were present in Crimea - the Ministry of Emergencies, the police, the Ministry of Defense, the Russian Guard, bailiffs and the FSB
    2. Po-tzan 23 January 2020 16: 33 New
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      Quote: nm76
      Gentlemen, I want to share with you the joy of introducing amendments to the constitution, namely the rule of law over international law.
      Enlighten please, what is, in your opinion, a grandiose plus for the final layman?


      When your local chief of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or some United Russia squeezes the business away or, God forbid, your child is crushed by a United Russia jeep, and then they will write in a falsified examination that the child was drunk, now you will no longer be able to turn to the rotting Geyrope European ECHR.
      1. nm76 23 January 2020 17: 09 New
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        I and you understand this, but what is the joy of local patrons in what?
        Why did they break two button accordions and accordion from this amendment?
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        you can’t turn to the decaying Geyropeysky ECHR.

        Personally, I would not go there anyway. I prefer to solve such issues with extremely uncivilized methods; in such cases they are most effective and instructive.
    3. Altona 23 January 2020 17: 31 New
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      Enlighten please, what is, in your opinion, a grandiose plus for the final layman?

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      You can’t turn to the ECHR if there is a wild court decision against you.
      1. Prjanik 23 January 2020 18: 04 New
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        There is no need to hang noodles, since 2015 it is not necessary for us to execute decisions of international courts, including the ECHR.
        1. Altona 23 January 2020 18: 13 New
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          You don’t need to hang noodles, since 2015 it’s not necessary for us to execute decisions of international courts, including the ECHR

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          Selectively nonetheless fulfills and is required to fulfill. Otherwise, why did she so eagerly seek the Council of Europe again if she does not recognize the actions of its authorities?
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            Correctly, selectively - this means we do it when it is profitable for us or all the same and we do not do it when it is not profitable. With the new amendments, it will be the same with regard to international organizations, look at the United States, with their priority of sovereign rights, they do what they want.
            And the Council of Europe is just one of the platforms-spoken, with which you can convey your position in Europe.
  • Dmitry V. 23 January 2020 15: 08 New
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    Approved!
    Just like under Brezhnev.

    Nobody dared to argue with Volodya ... a tame parliament.
    With such a parliament, a fifth power will appear - the State Council (which is not provided for by the constitution), but Volodya can do everything.
    Permanent leader according to the scheme of Nazarbayev and the state council of KZ.
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      Permanent leader according to the scheme of Nazarbayev and the state council of KZ.
      fool fool
      the composition of the State Council will argue .... President !!!!
  • Dikson 23 January 2020 15: 12 New
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    ... Stormy, prolonged applause, turning into a standing ovation ... (c) Pravda newspaper
  • ZaharoFF 23 January 2020 15: 28 New
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    How interesting. Against no. There are no abstentions either. It looks like that. They are on the right track, comrades! They will soon tell that the life of citizens every year is getting better, more beautiful, more informative.
    1. unaha 23 January 2020 15: 52 New
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      But have they not yet been told?
  • AVA77 23 January 2020 15: 35 New
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    In heap and other liberty burns laughing Ah ah ah, violation of the constitution.
    The guard, the people were not asked.
    Good people, why is it shy. laughing
    Bullies constitution deprived laughing
    1. Altona 23 January 2020 17: 03 New
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      In heap and other liberty burns

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      If you were even a little versed in "liberty", then pure-bred liberty is our Government, our Duma and the President. Navalny fits himself perfectly into the "Social Democrats," that is, capitalism + social. In our country, the whole opposition, in principle, is the "Social Democrats", because they have not recorded any "dictatorship of the proletariat", but they drown themselves for the "social group". Whereas our Government and the Duma are constantly cutting off this social network. For this, they put you cons and will bet. For unnecessary shortcuts.
      1. AVA77 23 January 2020 17: 13 New
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        Of course I don’t understand the grades, enough smell. But Navalny now fix where to fit, if only it does not crawl through the door and forehead on the jamb hi
        1. Altona 23 January 2020 17: 21 New
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          Of course I do not understand the grades, enough smell. But Navalny now fix where fit

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          If we ignore the personalities, then we have all, I emphasize, all the opposition (systemic and non-systemic) -Platoshkin, Filin, Zyuganov, Navalny, and at least you don’t take anyone, everyone drowns for capitalism in different forms, plus social. You can take any, the output will be the same. I see what I’m talking about. The Duma and the Government are drowned only for the enrichment of oligarchs and monopolies. The population is not even asked. You and I were not asked, they were confronted with a fact.
          1. AVA77 23 January 2020 17: 33 New
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            And what's wrong. All-Russian voting on constitutional amendments may take place on Sunday, April 12.
            1. Altona 23 January 2020 17: 35 New
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              Quote: AVA77
              And what's wrong. All-Russian voting on constitutional amendments may take place on Sunday, April 12.

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              Exactly 30 years ago, they also voted for the Soviet Union. Remember the total? I remember well, I was 20 years old then. After everything is approved without us, they will need at least some LEGITIMITY, and not yours and my opinion (they don’t give a damn about it from the big bell tower). That's all. There will be a "rule of law," just like a doctor writes to condo liberals. And then you can again "pension reform" and "optimization" to carry out. It’s legal.
              1. AVA77 23 January 2020 17: 48 New
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                I did not belong to the Communist Party, only I rose to the pioneer. laughing You need this to go to (Yeltsin, although it won’t work out anymore), well, to Gorbachov or to the Politburo to ask for clarifications. (Che they threw people like that)
                1. Altona 23 January 2020 17: 53 New
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                  (Yeltsin
                  Although it won’t come out anymore), Gorbachov

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                  Well, here they are just ahead of the curve. At first they do, then they ask “the approval of the people”. So that there are no shoals as with a referendum on the USSR (mandatory for execution) and the adoption of the Constitution of the Russian Federation on 1993 (they adopted one, but published a slightly different text, supposedly more appropriate). ONLY LEGITIMITY IS NEEDED! (so that people come to the polling stations) EVERYTHING! The rest does not care.
                  1. AVA77 23 January 2020 18: 00 New
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                    If you don’t do anything, then what to ask for “people's approval”? Well, or you need to hold a referendum, For all the good versus all the bad.
                    1. Altona 23 January 2020 18: 03 New
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                      Quote: AVA77
                      If you don’t do anything, then what to ask for “people's approval”? Well, or you need to hold a referendum, For all the good versus all the bad.

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                      I told you, we need legitimacy, that is, supposedly “popular expression of the will”, after which we can continue the previous domestic policy. A referendum will be mandatory if it is held according to the rules and they can lose on it.
                      1. AVA77 23 January 2020 18: 21 New
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                        You are just trying to convince me and the people reading this thread that “the popular will is, as it were, supposedly” (They all lie). And the people will vote for it. Emu People, do not care who is there in the Duma, he is interested in the material. The indexation of pensions is capital and so on. I’ve come from the hinterland, as I haven’t seen opponents of the constitutional change.
                      2. Altona 23 January 2020 20: 05 New
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                        Quote: AVA77
                        Indexation of pensions matkapital and so on. I am from the hinterland, as I have not met opponents of constitutional changes here.

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                        I myself am from the hinterland. But in these amendments, I do not see the concepts of "salary indexation", for example. There will be only minimal indexation, although the population needs to guarantee some basic income, which you can put on shoes, dress and pay for a communal apartment. That is, they will throw us minimum wages in everything. As for school breakfasts, it’s also nice when schools cut back. In general, it's all about nothing. I just say how I see it. It would be better if he legislated his "May decrees". Although what am I talking about? You will have a minimum, she used to be. The rest is your own business.
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                        Yes byad. Let’s say I don’t see in these amendments the notion, Every grandmother retires for BMW, a grandfather for Mercedes, but I would like to! Fertility is not necessary to stimulate, capital and so on, nafik. And build schools! EVERY PUPIL AT SCHOOL !!!! (the slogan sounds, I give !!!) And let these students sit hungry! Trifle pot-bellied. You are all serious.
                      4. Altona 23 January 2020 21: 04 New
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                        There is no sense in these amendments, Vadim. As for the rest, you don’t have to juggle it like that. Basic income could well be equal to 2 minimums. As for schools, the school should be no more than 5 km from the student, for example. And in general, there are experts on all issues who could correctly formulate all the requirements and correlate with the capabilities of the state.
                      5. AVA77 23 January 2020 21: 25 New
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                        No one will not build a school for the sake of one student, from the village of Uryupinka. Forest area. Because she is in addition to bears, there is no one who needs a nafik, it is easier to carry a student. I studied at a boarding school, like the rest of the children from nearby Selo and Derevny, no one complained about food. The house went only on weekends and holidays and there was nothing alive.
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                        Dear Altona. I have paid attention to your first comment, to my post ((. While our Government and the Duma are constantly cutting this social network. For this, they put you cons and put them. For unnecessary labels.)) Get fucked up !!! !!!! You yourself are not fucked up! from your comment? You put me in a corner for the position of the Duma and the government. Can I stand on peas? and repent? What are the cons? Come on. Burn the whip! For Atlantis! Bermuda triangular meteorite!
                        and the collapse of the titanic.
                      7. Altona 24 January 2020 03: 45 New
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                        What are the cons?

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                        Cons are not mine. I usually try not to set them at all, so I don’t need to be rude. And the establishment of inappropriate labels is pure fascism, although fascism is already welcomed by some Shapiro-Soloviev. First you need to find out if the labels are eligible. Third, you can vote for anyone’s position, I told you so, this is your own business, you can go to the “vote”, only it won’t. It is unnecessary to them.
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                        But I didn’t say that only your cons .. You only guaranteed cons to me .. (((For this you will get cons and they will.))) Maybe you are a system administrator or an administrator, well, an extreme fortune teller, a fortuneteller? ... ...... Well, where did I accuse you of fascism? a place? stump? password?
                        my post is a line above? come on with a zhig! ????????
  • AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 18: 59 New
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    Is it necessary to drown for socialism? Forward to the DPRK? A welfare state is not necessarily a social system. Even a monarchy can be social (Saudi Arabia, for example). Why is Norwegian capitalism bad? Where the social sphere is developed so that no Soviet Union stood nearby.
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      Is it necessary to drown for socialism?

      Norwegian national debt 593 billion dollars. No sanctions are introduced against her, her credit rating is 100%, she does not need to maintain a large ground army, etc.
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  • AVA77 23 January 2020 18: 58 New
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    In! minusers are piled on, liberal appearance ran a camp. wassat lol
  • Fat
    Fat 23 January 2020 15: 40 New
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    During the vote, the amendments were supported by 432 deputies, no one voted against the amendments, there were also no abstentions.
    Well, then ... Maybe they can start to grow wings ... No feathers - no parliamentary immunity ...
    The voice of the people ... Tribunes, white clothes ... Correctly said the unnamed NO parties capable of taking responsibility for clear decisions ...
    PS just do not need: "There is such a party"
    The Bolsheviks are not a couple
  • Romka 23 January 2020 16: 14 New
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    Not a single one against! The unity of the people with the leader is felt!
  • Bshkaus 23 January 2020 16: 29 New
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    Remember my words, everything will work out without a referendum, or it will be prepared on one issue, but in fact it will be held for another.
  • Nikitich 23 January 2020 17: 15 New
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    Where in a hurry?
    Maybe the kaku’s ailment was discovered by the tsar’s king (which is treated only by the Basurman)?
    Where do we syri to understand them ...
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      Zhirik said: `` take the slaves !!! ''
  • Kastorkin 23 January 2020 17: 25 New
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    Well now let’s heal the men ..))))) Something this haste worries me .. It’s not clear here.!
    If a couple of oligarchs were imprisoned, I might have believed the authorities .. And so this is mouse fuss .. Again, people will continue to rob.
    Vladimir Ulyanov, wake up, the bourgeoisie is generally insolent ..
  • Karabin 23 January 2020 17: 54 New
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    Vova and Co. must remain with authority forever. This is the main thing. The rest is just cover. Juliet disguised as patriotism, sovereignty and promises to the population.
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  • Starover_Z 23 January 2020 19: 46 New
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    Quote: SOVIET UNION 2
    Tomorrow some TOR wants to secede from Russia. Then the region where many Chinese live will hold a referendum on leaving Russia and joining China.

    And this, the current lawmakers need to ponder and in what form to take! Without your kindred and sofa eksperdov!
  • Esaul 23 January 2020 20: 11 New
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    First, the government must earn trust, and then propose amendments, there is no longer any trust in the current government.
  • Shahno 23 January 2020 20: 57 New
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    Quote: Golovan Jack
    Quote: Svarog
    It seems to you over fifty?

    It seems - in the company (s).

    The specifics of the work, there are a lot of young animals around, toothy ... uh, yes, okay - you don’t understand all one ... request

    Yeah interesting.
    I think you are 56.
  • Protos 24 January 2020 00: 45 New
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    Wow, the trolls all slid into an article on Revolutionary Change! tongue
    What, do not like the strengthening of Russia's sovereignty and the purge of agents of Western influence in power? laughing
    And the arrival of normal specialists in the main social ministries blew up liberals and bots from the country 404 bully
  • Mentat 24 January 2020 08: 23 New
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    Quote: prior
    The draft law must be approved by the State Duma and the Federation Council, and an all-Russian vote will be held on it.


    Quote from the article:
    The draft law must be approved by the State Duma and the Federation Council, and an all-Russian vote will be held on it.

    Those. referendum.

    He climbed you out of all the cracks. What, masters the customer-owners, voted?
    Well now you can’t stick either a foreign president, as in Georgia and the Baltic states, or werewolf senators with foreign passports. Well what's going on, huh?
    So squeal on the forum by order, work out your silver coins.
  • Yarik 24 January 2020 11: 24 New
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    One step remains and we are North Korea No. 2, if the population does not die out before.