China demonstrates impressive pace of deployment of warships

China is demonstrating an impressive pace of deployment of warships. According to Chinese media, in the first two decades of 2020 alone, the PLA Navy received four new corvettes and two destroyers.

The first new ships in 2020 were two Project 056A corvettes: the fifty-first Ganzhou (tail number 620) and the fifty-second Panzhihua (tail number 621), entered into the PLA Naval Forces. Solemn ceremony of entry into the South fleet both ships took place on January 10 at the naval base in Guangzhou.

Two days later, on January 12, the first destroyer of project 055 Nanchang (Nanchang, tail number 101) entered the Chinese fleet. The ceremony was held at the main naval base of the Northern Fleet of the PLA Navy in Qinado.

Also, on January 12, 2020, at the PLA Eastern Naval Base in Zhoushan, the ceremony of introducing the first modernized destroyer of project 052DG Zibo (Zibo, tail number 156), an analogue of the American destroyers with Aegis, took place in the Chinese Navy.

Six days later, on January 18, 2020, the Project 056A Luan corvette (tail number 611) was transferred to the PLA Navy. The ceremony of bringing the ship into the Eastern Fleet took place in Shanghai, where the ship was and was built at the Hudong-Zhonghua shipyard.

And finally, on January 19, 2020, the Chinese fleet replenished with another corvette of project 056A Liaocheng (tail number 608). The ceremony was held at the shipyard in Dalian, where the ship was built.

As previously reported, in total, in 2019, Chinese shipbuilders launched 23 surface ships in the interests of the PLA Navy. Of these: 1 project 075 universal landing ship, project 1 landing helicopter docking ship, 071 project 2 destroyers, 055 project 7D destroyers, 052 project 12 corvettes.

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[svp67]

Well done, and if you take into account that they were lucky with the location of the coast, in general, at any time they can put together their armada in the right direction

[WILL]

Actually luck ends there ... considering how many “friends are neighbors” with mutual hatred and a bunch of unresolved territorial issues. The number of Pennants — of course, is growing at an impressive pace, only the real capabilities of their Fleet — the Chinese themselves do not know, as well as the technical characteristics of their weapons. I think I’m really trying out the strengths of my Fleet - they will not be resolved for a long time.
Japan has a completely balanced Fleet capable of withstanding the Chinese, South Korea also has a fairly serious Fleet. Hindus are not Chinese friends at all, Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines too. Well, Taiwan is a bone in the Chinese throat.
The entire Asia-Pacific region is arming at an accelerated pace ... well, Mattress ears stick out everywhere.

[svp67]

Quote: ANIMAL

I think I’m really trying out the strengths of my Fleet - they will not be resolved for a long time.

An option that we shouldn't rule out. No wonder their neighbors, so now they are worried about the fastest rearmament, no one wants to become "for example"

[WILL]

Yes, it is definitely not necessary to exclude, you are right. I think in the near future we will see the emergence of new Unions and Coalitions and new Confrontations.
It is surprising that Russia has every chance to remain an observer at this celebration of life, which is what you need to use ...

[Greenwood]

Quote: ANIMAL

Russia has every chance to remain an observer

With the current state of the Pacific Fleet, Russia cannot be anything but an observer.

[WILL]

Let's not exaggerate ... Yes, KTOF - now not in the best condition, but gradually replenished - this time.
Second, bases are being built on the islands, coastal complexes are being replenished.
The presence of Long-Range and Strategic Aviation is Three.
Russia's nuclear potential is Four.
New types of weapons (including anti-ship missiles) are Five.

[SOVIET UNION 2]

Yes, KTOF - now not in the best condition, but gradually replenished

... New weapons today are in the Russian army. Nobody argues with this. And the rapid rearmament of China is a consequence of the country's powerful economy. People are simply envious of a powerful economy and want such power in Russia. If in peacetime there is a gradual replenishment, then in the war how will this be? Will the pace of construction of ships and aircraft increase sharply? Or do we in the General Staff firmly know that there will be no war? Or is it enough for us to reflect only the first blow? The high rate of rearmament of China also speaks of a very clear organization of all processes. And if we compare the speed of production and construction here and there, I will not be mistaken if I say that Russia is very far from China in terms of pace (and hence the organization of the process technology). And about the pace of work in China, many videos have been shot. After launching missiles, incapacitating planes and ships, how long will the Russian industry take to manufacture and deliver missiles, planes and ships? And how long will it take in China? An example of a drowned dock and an aircraft carrier being repaired shows our pace.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ANIMAL

Second, bases are being built on the islands, coastal complexes are being replenished.
The presence of Long-Range and Strategic Aviation is Three.
Russia's nuclear potential is Four.
New types of weapons (including anti-ship missiles) are Five.

This is the most powerful argument for mourners.

[New Year day]

Quote: ANIMAL

soon we will see the emergence of new Unions

The new trade agreement between China and the United States will in fact divide the world into 2 halves, but how to slip past these halves? To do this, first of all, we need an effective economy that is not visible

[WILL]

I’m embarrassed to ask ... does the World agree that it will be divided into two parts? Do you think the Countries of Economically Developed and Developing (sometimes very violently) do not exist?
And somehow you cunningly opposed Russia - both the USA and China at that time - when the contradictions between the US and China become only greater. Mess!

[orionvitt]

Quote: ANIMAL

Russia has every chance to remain an observer

Do you believe that? In two world wars, even those countries that were not even close to claiming any influence in the world were drawn into it. And Russia, if the mess starts (and it starts), anyway involved. Now the world is already so small that it can sit aside, much less Russia will fail. All the big world politics revolves around a small number of players, and Russia is one of the first among them.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ANIMAL

Hindus are not Chinese friends at all, Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines too. Well, Taiwan is a bone in the Chinese throat.

The stronger the state becomes, the more enemies it has, not fellow travelers.

[New Year day]

Quote: tihonmarine

The stronger the state becomes, the more enemies it has,

In today's world, power is respected, and power depends on the economy.

[knn54]

For a third of a century, from the junks to the aircraft carrier.
And frankly, the internal factor-cohesion and self-discipline of the nation.
External - financial injections of the West, obtaining technologies, including from Russia. In general - "With the world on a string."

[cost]

China demonstrates impressive pace of deployment of warships

Like on a 3D printer it prints them. Already take envy

[tihonmarine]

Quote: knn54

Generally, "With the world on a string"

Naked aircraft carrier and space station.

[New Year day]

Quote: knn54

For a third of a century, from the junks to the aircraft carrier.

Their economy is growing 15 faster than ours. So that they don’t talk about their fight against corruption, the effectiveness of public administration, but the effect is obvious

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: Silvestr

Their economy is growing 15 faster than ours

China's efficient economy (a manufactured product in China that remains to the Chinese) from 2011 to 2018. increased by 177,6%.
A similar Russian indicator for the same period increased by 160,6%.
Somehow it does not pull on "15 faster than ours."
For reference: a similar indicator of the USA (for some reason, the Soviet ones like to compare their indicators with those of the USA, although their group is Mexico-Colombia) for the same period increased by 126,0%.

[voyaka uh]

"made in China product that remains to the Chinese)" ///
---
What is this? Which is not exported?
So, export is a bad business for the country?
Accepted, it is the other way around: the more a country exports products (not raw materials), the more powerful and developed it is.

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: voyaka uh

What is this?

It is also that in China a product (GDP) is produced not only in favor of the Chinese, but also in favor of foreigners (export earnings from investments, etc.).
In China, such a product remains 47,2% of GDP. In Russia, 15,5%. In Israel, 69,9%.
The norm of a developed country in the world is at least 50%.
The US norm is MORE THAN 100% (and what to do is how the world works).

Quote: voyaka uh

Accepted, it is the other way around: the more a country exports products (not raw materials), the more powerful and developed it is.

No, it was not about export at all. It was about how much actually remains in the country (for the use of people) from the product it produces (GDP).

[voyaka uh]

And the salaries of workers working at enterprises owned by foreigners, the taxes of these workers in the country's treasury, are taken into account?
Taxes that a foreign company pays to the treasury of the country?
---
I’ll emphasize: if every adult resident of Russia sews a shirt and trousers and sells it to a neighbor, then nothing will go abroad. All profits will remain in Russia.
And your this remarkable economic indicator will be "ahead of the rest."

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: voyaka uh

Taxes that a foreign company pays to the treasury of the country?

You've probably never heard of "tax minimization"?
And about "avoidance of double taxation"?
Etc.

Quote: voyaka uh

if every adult resident of Russia will sew a shirt and pants and sell it to a neighbor, then nothing will go abroad.

Will not go away. But he will not sew, in Russia it is expensive. Therefore, he will buy a shirt and pants in China.

Quote: voyaka uh

And your this remarkable economic indicator will be "ahead of the rest."

It turns out. If we look not at the entire economy as a whole, but at the shirt and pants.
By the way, today only 3 countries are in positive territory in terms of GDP: the USA, Japan and Taiwan. The rest are in the red.
It would seem, why? Well, underdeveloped countries, it’s clear why. In them, developed countries place their production, and then milk it.
But Britain, France, Germany (they are also in the red), why?
However, the world is complex. The world is full of failed states that can't even make money for their pants. Previously, their inhabitants died out in the millions, and no one cared about them. Now the "bloodthirsty bourgeois" support them at the expense of their population. And enormous funds are spent on this.

[ProkletyiPirat]

Quote: svp67

and when you consider that they were very lucky with the location of the coast

as for me it’s not very lucky for them, as they say for a start And if we take into account the development of rocket science and the saturation of submarines of this region with all this, then China is not very lucky. Here, only the countries of both America and Australia are lucky

[bessmertniy]

China seeks to become the ruler of the seas. And his steps in this direction are successful and significant.

[rocket757]

It was! There were sunrises and sunsets of all different lords of this, this, the fifth, the tenth. It ends anyway.
China, of course, was led, this cannot be easily "erased", but no one has infinite resources, unless expansion is carried out ....
So sho we will not envy, we must go about our own business, but do not forget to glance around and, if anything, take appropriate measures for self-preservation!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: rocket757

So sho we will not envy, we must go about our own business, but do not forget to glance around

Envy of the Chinese in matters of land reserves and resources (relative to population) is not necessary. But one should be struck by the fact that in just a few decades, absolutely all branches of science and production have developed in the country. And why it happened, too, is curious to know.
And it's too late to look around. We must begin to oppose the quiet Chinese expansion into Russian territory. When there suddenly 150-200 million people appear out of nowhere. Narrow-eyed guys will be too late ...
I do not go to the Druzhba market open in Kemerovo. Unpleasant sensations not only from annoying communication, but also from the fact that when you walk past the rows and hear their speech, you don't know what they are talking about: either they really want to offer the right product, or they are trying to knock on something in vain ...

[Edik]

Quote: ROSS 42

And why it happened, too, is curious to know.

I’m curious about your version! I know why China started ...

Quote: ROSS 42

Unpleasant sensations not only from intrusive communication, but also from the fact that when you walk past the ranks and hear their speech, you don’t know what they are talking about: either they really want to offer the right product, or they bones for nothing ...

In medicine, there is a very specific definition.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Edik

In medicine, there is a very specific definition.

Also in medicine there is a definition that relates specifically to you - tolerance is called. Google the medical term.

[Edik]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Also in medicine there is a definition that relates specifically to you - tolerance is called.

I seem quite tolerant of him, don’t you?
And by the way, this term does not apply to medicine ...

[Ingvar 72]

You do not understand the point. The term "tolerance" has a medical origin and means the body's immunity to antigen. (For example, an organism affected by metastases in the fourth stage of cancer is ideally tolerant).
Ross has no tolerance, he is susceptible to an increase in alien people in society, you do not.
As you said, you are truly tolerant.

[rocket757]

What is the essence of the dispute?
The instinct for self-preservation not only of oneself personally, but also the preservation of one's Native community of people, nation, is not at all superfluous, often enough.
We look at geyrope and .... "not tolerantly" we are surprised, indignant, laughing ... in different ways, in short, but in the same way we are wary of all newcomers when there are too many / unjustifiably many of them. Are we conservative or has the sense of self-preservation leaped up?
By the way, I remember the "dashing 90", how many foreigners with narrowed eyes were in the markets ... now you won't see this in our country ... although in the fields, there is a presence of non-indigenous people, but not many. Far from those countries.

[Edik]

Quote: rocket757

The instinct for self-preservation not only of oneself personally, but also the preservation of one's Native community of people, nation, is not at all superfluous, often enough.

Russia has always been famous for its kindness and understanding for other nationalities, their preservation and respect! We have a multinational state!

[rocket757]

Quote: Edik

Russia has always been famous for its kindness and understanding for other nationalities, their preservation and respect! We have a multinational state!

Among other things, many things united us, including the knowledge of the great and powerful by all who wanted to achieve something in this state. And so, they could explain to fellow tribesmen what the truth of being is. It was a well thought out policy.
Smoothly, with smoothly it never happens in such a large and diverse community, but they knew how to keep everything within reasonable limits.
As soon as the national elites imagined themselves to be the navel of the earth, gave them such an opportunity, everything went into pieces.
Badly everything turned out.

[Edik]

Quote: rocket757

As soon as the national elites imagined themselves to be the navel of the earth, gave them such an opportunity, everything went into pieces.
Badly everything turned out.

Paragraph nine of the program of the Russian Marxists, talking about the right of nations to self-determination

[rocket757]

Quote: Edik

Paragraph nine of the program of the Russian Marxists, talking about the right of nations to self-determination

Marxists, paragraphs this is all right. Who then followed them directly, directly accurately and absolutely. All important, responsible, over time, drove into the rigid framework of party responsibility and submission. So interethnic problems cannot be solved, but they DOED, crushed, pushed into the desired, permissible framework. Then everything flashed when party domination and control weakened.

[Edik]

Quote: rocket757

So interethnic problems cannot be solved, but they DOED, crushed, pushed into the desired, permissible framework. Then everything flashed when party domination and control weakened.

They had the right to do so by law !!!! You do not find that these are different things?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Edik

Paragraph nine of the program of Russian Marxists

Do you expose your ignorance without even defining what relation the Chinese have to Russian soil and where they want to "self-determine"?

The right of peoples to self-determination, in constitutional and international law, is the right of peoples (nations) to determine the form of their state existence as part of another state or as a separate state.

And the dominance in Russia of foreigners who do not know the state language cannot be perceived by the indigenous population as a charity mission.

[Edik]

Ross, that's it for you, in one place !!
You first read, ponder for at least two hours, in what context I wrote this.

[mikstepanenko]

You do not understand the point. The term "tolerance" has a medical origin and means the body's immunity to antigen.
The term tolerance has a medical origin and the meaning is directly opposite to what you indicated. Immunity is immunity, the body's resistance to an antigen carrier (bacterium, virus ...). And tolerance means non-resistance to this carrier, now it is more fashionable to say AIDS (full semantic analogy of tolerance). The immunity and non-resistance categories are directly anti-immunity.

[Edik]

Do you know Igor what I dislike most in such figures?
What they don’t think its head! They think how the party lays in them! And the party now, it’s not that compote at all, they have nothing to do with the Bolsheviks and Communists! In fact, they are renegades !!! And they carry Old renegades, that is, shifters! Comrade Zyuganov he’s also an opportunist and he regularly served and serves the Americans. But he must still be shot

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Edik

What they don’t think with their own head!

Ross thinks you are overly biased. His comments are always meaningful, and concern the essence, and opponents will always go in the answers to the person, and to labeling.
According to Zyuganov, the personality is really ambiguous. Regarding to shoot - I do not agree. If you start with anyone, then with Chubais. But while he is at the head of state is considered an effective manager.

[Edik]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Ross thinks you are overly biased.

Excuse me, but his comments remind me of a corner of classical enemy propaganda !!

Quote: Ingvar 72

If you start with anyone, then with Chubais

But how do you not understand that Zyuganov, that Chubais, are one and the same thing! It's just that everyone sits in his place! And if you do not remember, Chubais was put forward even under the USSR to modernize the economy of the USSR under the auspices of the KGB.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Edik

but his comments remind me of a corner of classic enemy propaganda !!

I have the same feeling when speaking by some of the top officials of the state. Putin recently broadcast about the need for an influx of migrants, as we need a skilled workforce. But in real life have you seen many skilled Gaster? Yes, and qualified hands by the development of vocational education are created, not by migration.
Unemployment (official) in Russia is 5%, and Putin says that the lack of workers holds back economic development. And with an increase in pension age, the supply on the labor market will be even greater than demand. Where is the logic?

[Edik]

Quote: Ingvar 72

But in real life have you seen many skilled Gaster?

I saw! Half a year ago, a young surgeon did a Kazakh operation for me! You won’t believeFree!!!

Quote: Ingvar 72

we need skilled labor

And what is not, in your opinion? There are not enough people working specialties! We have higher roofs of people with higher education, but there are not enough qualified people of working specialties!

Quote: Ingvar 72

Unemployment (official) in Russia 5%,

These 5%, in fact, the percentage of parasites in Russia!

[rocket757]

Quote: ROSS 42

Envy of the Chinese in matters of land reserves and resources (relative to population) is not necessary.

And yet it turns! ... it is, by the way. The Chinese are pursuing their expansion, seeking resources and many other things. It's just not so "loud" going on, quietly. But they have results, and this is the main thing for them.

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: rocket757

The Chinese are pursuing their expansion for resources and many other things. It's just not so "loud" going on, quietly. But they have results, and this is the main thing for them.

Well, for example?
Where did the Chinese expand and what was it? What territories and from whom did they seize?

[rocket757]

And what, it is necessary to capture the territory ... someone who is more intelligent than zealous because of a curse needs such a crap? They already achieve a lot that they need IM. They receive resources on their own \ acceptable terms, and deal with internal affairs in those states, albeit local, others. It’s quite a working scheme ... but how to call it, it doesn’t matter how important it is.

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: rocket757

The resources they receive on their / acceptable terms,

The whole world receives resources on the conditions that suit it. Countries that sell resources do not have a special word right.

[New Year day]

Quote: Dmitry Igorevich

Where did the Chinese expand and what was it? Which territories

Do you think only a military solution to expansion? Now other forms are money. How are the forests in Siberia? Who brings down the forest, where does he go?

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: Silvestr

Do you think only a military solution to expansion? Now other forms are money.

Money is an investment. They, unlike the military, are lured and attracted to the country by all means.

Quote: Silvestr

How are the forests in Siberia? Who is felling the forest, where is he going?

He who pays money for him leaves him.
Do you want this forest? Pay money for him, like the Chinese, and get. Nothing tricky.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Dmitry Igorevich

What territories and from whom did they seize?

Why would they grab something? You just need to persistently ask - they will give it back. Not further than in 2004, Putin transferred 337 sq km of islands on the Amur to China, including part of the Black Bear Island (in Chinese, Heixi Tao), which is also the Big Ussuri Island.
Look how many Chinese "tourists" are in the Far East ... Where the Chinese organize their Chinatown, even the Russian police do not understand its legality ...

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: ROSS 42

Look how many Chinese "tourists" are in the Far East ...

You have probably never been to other countries adjacent to or not very distant from China. There are also crowds of Chinese tourists. In the literal sense, crowds.

Quote: ROSS 42

PTam, where the Chinese organize their Chinatown, even the Russian police do not understand its legality ...

Don't be creative. There are no Chinatowns in Russia. Russia is an extremely poor country for the Chinese. The average Russian is "worth" only 25,4% of the average Chinese. In addition, the climate in Russia in Siberia and the Far East is generally terrible. The Chinese are not interested in this. They have other countries in priority.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dmitry Igorevich

In addition, the climate in Russia in Siberia and the Far East is mostly terrible. The Chinese are not interested. They have other countries in priority.

And how many of them have already divorced in the Far East?

[New Year day]

Quote: ROSS 42

the Druzhba market opened in Kemerovo.

Shopping center "Moscow" in Lublin-small China. Filled everything and everyone traded

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: Silvestr

Shopping center "Moscow" in Lublin-small China. Filled everything and everyone traded

They have something to sell. So they trade. And what's wrong with everything if everything is legal?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

o do not forget to glance around and, if anything, take appropriate measures for self-preservation!

"That in the depths of Tibet a new Genghis Khan is maturing."

[rocket757]

No matter where, no matter who, if only not in our direction. It’s just that you can’t spend any time and resources on a trifle, but you need to observe large, strong countries.

[orionvitt]

Quote: bessmertniy

China seeks to become the ruler of the seas.

A large number of warships, this is certainly good, but the days of "indestructible armada" are over. In our technological time, everything is vulnerable, regardless of its quantity. It may happen that a huge army can turn into a burden.

[Vladimir_2U]

Of course they have heat the government has a slightly different orientation.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Of course they have heat the government has a slightly different orientation.

And they do not need the orientation that takes place to be encouraged among the "Russian elite". Everything is the old fashioned way ...

[Edik]

Quote: ROSS 42

And they do not need the orientation that takes place to be encouraged among the "Russian elite". Everything is the old fashioned way ...

ROSS tell me better what are you excited all the last time? They abstained for the new prime minister .. like Medvedev You are against amendments to the constitution .. The owner does not order?

[Far B]

One can only congratulate the Chinese comrades, as they say.

in 2019, Chinese shipbuilders in general launched 23 surface ships in the interests of the PLA Navy

And we have 4,5 (the fate of one is rather vague). But back in the mid-90s, they were on roughly equal terms (although our scientific, technical and personnel potential was much better), but we went different paths. We are faithful (as we have been convinced of all these years), and the Chinese, it turns out, are wrong. So we will win !!!

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Dalny V

But in the mid-90s, they were approximately on equal footing.

Our industry was much better. In China, in the mid-90s, Commander watches were issued, it is not clear with what pattern on the dial, either a tank, or an underwater boat.

[Far B]

The industry was. I wrote: "Our scientific, technical and personnel potential was much better." But the direction in which our industry was heading was obvious. went, as they say, on a collision course. In my opinion, the years 96-98 can be considered the intersection of these courses.
"I think so!" (C) (Mimino)

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Dalny V

In my opinion, the intersection point of these courses can be considered 96-98 years.

Like that. Already by the 95th, in Zelenograd, the last tape recorders Electronics were being assembled in corners and sent to orphanages.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dalny V

But the direction where our industry was heading was obvious.

Where they left the representatives of the liberal democratic corrupt elite.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mordvin 3

. In China, in the mid-90s, they released

And fountain pens, flashlights? And now ships are being built in bundles, and we are still importing “flashlights”

[Krasnodar]

This is mainly for Taiwan attack
Threats to Taiwan
Sieges of taiwan

[pru-pavel]

For Taiwan there are already more than enough forces. Apparently, the Chinese took into account the experience of Imperial Japan, which was defeated primarily by banning the supply of raw materials and the sea blockade. China imports half of the oil consumed and a lot of other raw materials, including iron ore, and it can also be seriously weakened in the event of war by the sea blockade of raw material supplies

[Krasnodar]

If it involves a simultaneous confrontation between the US and the Russian Federation, then it is entirely possible. About enough lancet for Taiwan - I do not know. The confrontation will be with the American fleet, and in this case there are not enough ships

[Ross xnumx]

China demonstrates impressive pace of deployment of warships

Such information should not cause delight among the inhabitants of Russia, because China is not our strategic partner and there is no reason to count on friendly relations between the CCP and Edrom.
All sorts of doubts that China can use the power of its fleet against someone are not justified. Tenfold advantage and ... In the eighties, we took into account the consequences of the "Chinese waves".
I am simply amazed at the stupidity of regional officials who think they have bought off the Chinese "triad" with permits for the sale of timber, resources and land leases. One circumstance can be interpreted in favor of these servants of the "sovereign" - they are not going to live on the lands "cleaned" by these "ants".
Yes! In your opinion, can Mr. Xi get a lifelong right to the post of head of state with such a pace of economic development?
Those who consider the Chinese Navy to be toys can be sure that even the US Navy has to reckon with the presence of Chinese warships in the region. And the primary task of the PRC is naval domination in Asia. And, it seems to me that preventing them from conquering it is the same as spitting (if not sharper) against the wind.

[jeka424]

They must then be properly maintained, all that will be set up

[steelmaker]

We have a problem with engines for ships. Maybe the new government will change its thinking logic - why spend money on building when you can buy a finished one? And the problem will be solved. When the production cycle is from zero to ready, everything is with us, then we will also commission the ships at a fast pace!

[Dikson]

Our Pacific Fleet will soon be sitting in its bays quietly and quietly .. And do not shine again .. And yes .. wait .. - this is China who has not taken up icebreakers .. Not to the Arctic to them .. although the Chinese are in the Antarctic they work very successfully .. In general, they’ve done well .. They are developing their satellite navigation and building the fleet like baking cakes .. And, with the help of our managers who have sold everything that is possible and impossible, they are developing the space industry and aviation .. About electronics and other light industry and say no.

[WILL]

I’m embarrassed to ask, who will let the Chinese go into the Arctic?
Still these "polar explorers" are not enough there ...

[Dikson]

Feel free to ask! .. And who will forbid them? International waters .. covered with ice .. In the study of Antarctica, for example, they bypassed us for a long time .. We don’t have money and we don’t want to maintain our Antarctic stations, but they have ..) While we are discussing a virtual fortress of the northern borders, the coast of the Kara Sea was opened by a coal mine and foreigners are dragging a little coal by the very Northern Sea Route .. along the coast of Russia .. so things are moving ... And by the way there is a lot of coal there .. And it practically lies on the surface ..

[WILL]

So give Flies apart from Cutlets! Russia has SEVEN stations in Antarctica. China has Four. (this is in Antarctica, although we started from the Arctic).
Most of the Arctic (accessible) lies along Russia's maritime borders in Our Exclusive Economic Zone. Defense Minister S. Shoigu - made a clear statement, foreign warships will not be there! I don’t know - what kind of virtuality are you writing about our northern borders ... I know for sure One ... not one State of the World, unable to compete with us in the Arctic. Google to help: the composition and quantity of the Icebreaking Fleet, the Arctic military bases of Russia, air defense - missile defense covering our Arctic Borders.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ANIMAL

I don’t know - what kind of virtuality are you writing about our northern borders ... I know for sure One ... not one State of the World, unable to compete with us in the Arctic.

Not a single state! But it is necessary to constantly strengthen Russian greatness in the Arctic.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dikson

on the coast of the Kara Sea, a coal mine was opened and foreigners drag a little coal by the very Northern Sea Route .. along the coast of Russia.

Do you mean Taibass, or did you discover something else?

[Dikson]

Actually, this is what I mean .. - The Taimyr ember goes to ... New Zealand ..)))))

[Dikson]

Sorry, the picture did not insert the first time ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dikson

Actually, this is what I mean .. - The Taimyr ember goes to ... New Zealand ..)))))

A private company, it builds everything without state support, in the conditions of permafrost and 10 months of subzero temperatures. Sell ​​wherever they want, it's a business. But all the same, well done, working in the Arctic is extreme, and they always walk along the blade of a knife.

[Dikson]

Without state support, maybe it’s building .. But here, foreign ships enter and moor in the border zone in the Russian Arctic .. Such a permit simply cannot be obtained ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dikson

But in the border zone in the middle of the Russian Arctic, foreign vessels enter and moor.

And how do foreign ships enter Arkhangelsk, Dikson, Dudinka in the middle of the Russian Arctic ???

[Dikson]

Arkhangelsk, I see .. Dudinka, by the question. Norilsk Nickel seems to have its own fleet and there is no need for bourgeoisie .. Foreign gas carriers on the Yamal Peninsula, I’ll believe it more .... but about Dickson, by the way .. a simple citizen of the Russian Federation permission doesn’t get there .. and a foreign sailor now seems to be so easy ..)) By the way, the irony of fate is that at the time of Boris Godunov the British quite went to both the Ob Bay and the Yenisei .. -bargained with Mangazeya ... How much I know that foreigners officially got the right to enter the Dikson water area of the port and the coal terminal .. So SMP quite a work ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dikson

Foreign gas carriers on the Yamal Peninsula - I’ll believe it more .... but as for Dixon, by the way .. a simple citizen of the Russian Federation will not get there without permission .. and a foreign sailor, now it seems to be so easy ..

Well then, here you are

By Decree No. 1281-r, the port of Dikson is included in the list of ports open for foreign vessels to call. Due to the implementation of investment projects, it is planned to build a coal terminal for the export of coal from the deposit in the area of ​​the river. Lemberova. An oil transshipment terminal will also be built for loading oil produced at the Payakh and Severo-Payakh fields. It is also planned to create a terminal for transshipment of coal coming from the Syradasaysky coal deposit to sea vessels. Thanks to the implementation of these investment projects, an increase in freight traffic along the Northern Sea Route will be ensured.
By Decree No. 1283-r, the territorial planning scheme in the field of transport introduced the changes envisaged by the federal project “Sea Ports of Russia” regarding the construction of a sea terminal in Sever Bay for oil shipment from the Payakhskaya group of fields in the Dikson seaport. These changes contain a narrative and a map of the planned location of the terminal facilities.

And if you want to know more about open ports, you will find in the network "Appendix. List of seaports open for foreign ships to enter" (as amended on June 14, 2019).

[Dikson]

So I wrote about the same thing. That opened access ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Dikson

So I wrote about the same thing. What opened access

The changes from 14.06.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX are just the same. Business will overpower everything "Any whim for your money."

[donavi49]

Well, they built their XUE LONG 2, and they already tested it in the Antarctic.

As for the NSR - why? Why waste resources? If anything, Russia provides a location. Squeeze out the NSR - that’s how it’s necessary to build tanks and planes (or what kind of C-Jr. to lead to successors), the fleet will not help there.

[New Year day]

Quote: Dikson

China has not yet taken up icebreakers ..

Already building

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Silvestr

Already building

But Russia needs to build icebreakers such as LK-60YA, and not five, but at least 25.

[swzero]

And here Pacific Fleet and China. Pacific Fleet must think what to do with the Japanese - they are arming themselves intensely and warming up hysteria among the population about the northern territories. This burning is not easy. And China is seen as the only force in the region that can cool hotheads in Tokyo. Silenok of Pacific Fleet to counter the Japs in a local conflict (for example, counteraction in landing on the Kuril Islands) may not be enough. Against China, the fleet is not needed. We have nothing to share at sea. It's funny to listen about the Arctic. China has no bases there. Any action there is not possible with such a shoulder ride. So all their actions in the Arctic are possible only with reliance on our bases

[Dikson]

Shoulder drive ... that's right .. Only what kind of actions can be discussed? Tank wedges on the tundra and ice? Battalions dug in the tundra? All actions in the Arctic are operation Wunderland .. God forgive me ..-landing for the sake of landing .. Well, you land on the coast of the Kara Sea, for example .. then what? 600 km to Dudinka and Norilsk on tracks? Just to understand, there are no roads further south? And so - all over our North .. no one needs him, neither with shoulders nor without .. But to drop a team of prospectors somewhere on an island of Severnaya Zemlya ... wow ..
I threw the Caterpillar bucket onto the tundra, cut a couple-three meters .. - times, and a 17 kg gold coin .. Here you will involuntarily begin to build icebreakers and rebuild military bases from the time of the USSR ...

[Igor Borisov_2]

Beauties! Already, the Chinese have come to a modular design
Type 056 Corvettes are the first Chinese modular warships. This allows you to create, change, combine individual parts (modules) of the ship without the need to make changes to other modules. Upgrading individual ship systems becomes easier and cheaper. In addition, the modular design allows the selection of modules to create corvettes for various purposes: patrol, anti-submarine, anti-ship, anti-aircraft, staff, multi-purpose. So, the patrol version of the ship has a helicopter hangar, which is absent in the multi-purpose version of the corvette and has a higher bridge for better visibility when patrolling. Instead of a hangar, the multipurpose version is bigger and better armed. When exported, the modular design allows you to modify ship systems to customer requirements.

[donavi49]

Well, here it is - only for fraternal Nigerians who drive pirates - this is no longer a corvette, but OPV (well, something like 22160 - only without oceanic habits).

[swzero]

chip mass delivery of ships for the new year (according to the Chinese calendar) apparently inherited from an older brother - the USSR :)

[Luty]

All Chinese destroyers are based on the development of our Northern PKB, which collaborated with the Chinese in the late 90s and early 2000s. So, we will not appreciate our contribution. Another question is that they developed our achievements.

[donavi49]

The last with the announced participation of SPKB - 052С

Further, they themselves or the percentage of outsourcing was insignificant, or they are not recognized, and SPKB is silent.

[Luty]

I believe that there is a creative development and cooperation.

[starshina78]

The Chinese would have ordered ships for our Navy, otherwise they have been building corvettes for 10 years, the craftsmen are bad!

[Alexey from Perm]

Chinese face communism is booming

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

Chinese face communism is booming

Where does communism come from in China?
On the contrary, during the time of socialism he was constantly starving. It began to flourish AFTER the rejection of socialism.

[Alexey from Perm]

really? The Communist Party rules in China, and they are building socialism, with a Chinese face.

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

The Communist Party rules in China, and they are building socialism, with a Chinese face.

About what they are building, did you come up with it yourself?
And then, what's the difference, as the ruling party is called in China? Why does this matter to you?

[Alexey from Perm]

To show our liberal comrades that the collapse of the USSR is a mistake.

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: Alexey from Perm

To show our liberal comrades that the collapse of the USSR is a mistake.

Did you decide to put everything back?
No, it is not in your power?
Then look more ahead and there is nothing to look back. No need to regret the cow, which during life turned out to be few who need it.
By the way, the collapse of China is yet to come.

[Alexey from Perm]

Of course, if a traitor comes to power there, such as Misha the labeled or Boris drunk, then yes, then he will fall apart. collapsing is always easier than building. Well, why not? Capitalism has returned, so why not return socialism?

[Wolf]

BASIC FORCE IS THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE! BASIC POWER OF THE STATE CITIZENS! DO NOT SPAT THIS 2! CHINA HOLD! THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE DETERMINES THE FOUNDATION FORCE FORCE! TODAY WHEN Dumb Zionism delivered the world to the position that everyone had sat, China itself is the country in the world!
USEFUL NATO WILL TRY TO HARM THE CHINESE. ESLI CHINESES WILL COME TO SWALLOW THE USA AND NATO AND THE ZIONISTS ALL IN THE PLACE, AND THE WAY AND THE WHOLE WORLD!

[Wolf]

WHEN STUPID AND STUPID ZIONISTS SHARED THE SLAVES ON THE CATHOLIC AND THE ORTHODOX PEOPLE DETERMINED THEIR DESTINY AND THE DESTINY OF THE WORLD !!!

[savelii1805]

Citizens, have you ever been on ships of Chinese construction? I, a marine mechanic, worked for them repeatedly, it’s quiet horror. Outboard fittings made of blackberries. Mediocre layout of schemes - for example, replenishing the main tank of the main engine through the consumable boiler by gravity. This is horrible. The inability to inspect engine due to lack of free space, i.e. stupidly, the doors cannot be opened in the crankcase, they must be removed. About the fuel reception system I am generally silent, there is no carcass there. Surveyors categorically refuse to take fuel measurements. The Chinese can take in quantity and cheapness. but quality, alas and ah ...

[Tomich3]

Quantity does not always mean quality. In the arsenal of the PLA Navy there is practically nothing original Chinese (the aforementioned applies to SAM, PLUR, radar, ASE, etc.). As in the case of submarines, the Chinese are adapting to the capabilities of their production base and (to the best of their ability and their understanding) to modernize the samples they acquired legally and partly through military intelligence. What is sold on the global arms market has intentionally underestimated performance characteristics and has a well-known modernization potential. But in order to realize it, it is necessary to carry out high-tech R&D (for example, to improve the formulation of rocket fuel on the basis of the existing one, which you simply can’t copy). Something (for example, an algorithm of group attack of anti-ship missiles of a squad of ships “wired” into the appropriate control system board) is not sold at all or is sold in a very simplified form. There is no certainty that “synonymized” anti-ship missiles will be able to overcome the air defense of a naval group of a technologically developed naval power in conditions of strong fire and electronic countermeasures, having sifted out the set obstacles and having made an energetic anti-aircraft maneuver, the radar is able to detect air targets reaching extremely low altitudes in a timely manner, CIUS (combat information and control systems) - to cope with the target distribution during a massive attack, and SAM, anti-aircraft guns and electronic warfare systems - to intercept enemy anti-ship missiles attacking in groups from different directions, actively maneuvering and jamming the radars and homing missiles made in China. Building corps behind the corps, having gained skills, under the wise mobilizing leadership of the CPC (like the CPSU in the USSR), relying on almost unlimited financial and labor resources, is much easier than turning these corps into combat-ready combat units, and combat units into combat-ready Navy. the Chinese fleet has no experience of fighting in the vast oceans of the oceans, neither above water, nor under water, nor in the air. There is no experience in managing large ship formations, no experience in deployment and combat services in the continuous monitoring of potential enemy’s ships in the long-term Cold War — there is not what the US Navy and Russian Navy have. Nobody is going to pass on the experience gained at a high price to the Chinese (it is purely for domestic consumption, here, for students of the command and staff faculty of the Naval Academy).

[Vadim Zhivov]

Well, God forbid if everything is as you write ...

[Kastorkin]

Well, let them build up, someone must confront the United States against aramad in the oceans .... Although China’s experience in fighting is not enough .. We would have helped them in Russia, but they don’t really want it in vain .. Well, well.

[georggy]

Plywood. And nothing more.

[Alex_Rarog]

And what is plywood? During the battlefield, their task is to disperse as many enemy forces as possible, and with caroble and to hell with him, glory survived the battle and honor did not survive glory and eternal memory ...

[georggy]

I agree. And plywood will drive.

[Alex_Rarog]

Why the hell to them so much. I don’t understand that there would be controversial islands and other damn well this is really scary ...

[Dikson]

exclusively for a mass salvo and heroic death a bit later .. 20 simultaneously spit out missiles or 120 - the difference is palpable for the enemy ..

[Alex_Rarog]

I wrote about this above)

[gggddddsssccc]

thieves are shot in China, that's why ships are built like baked cakes.