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Mikheil Saakashvili with sponsors will have to pay Adzharia?

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Mikheil Saakashvili with sponsors will have to pay Adzharia?It would seem that after the insane adventures of the Georgian authorities with the filing of foreign sponsors of the 2008 model of the year, when, as a result, Georgia lost South Ossetia and Abkhazia, the same Georgian authorities would have to make the relevant conclusions. However, this seems to be the classic example when mistakes, even so obvious, do not teach politicians anything. Regarding Russia in power of Georgia, and first of all, President Saakashvili, there is the former hysteria, which, in addition, often borders on the idea of ​​outright revanchism. It is sad that Mikhail Saakashvili on this idea wants to achieve political dividends for himself and his party, at every step hanging up anti-Russian labels and trying to put the Russian Federation in the eyes of the Georgian people the main trouble of Georgia. Moreover, rhetoric is often aimed at the fact that Russia, even in historical terms, was the main evil, and its main task was the oppression of its tiny southern neighbor.

All adequate people, of course, understand that from these words to reality there is a real insurmountable abyss, but the fact remains: anti-Russian sentiments on the territory of Georgia have gained significant momentum lately.

Only recently, the Georgian authorities had to somewhat distract from their old bagpipes with the Russian special services, which literally flooded Tbilisi and other Georgian cities, from the obsessive idea that in Russia everyone literally sleeps and sees the enslavement of peaceful Georgians. And the reason for this kind of distraction was given by the southern Georgian neighbors - the Turks.

At first, information appeared in the Turkish press, the authors of which were very radical politicians. This information concerned one of the political and administrative regions of Georgia - Adjara. According to representatives of certain Turkish political forces, Adjara has been under the yoke of the Georgian occupation since 1878 ...

The fact is that until the designated time, Ajaria was part of Turkey for more than three centuries. And she went to the Ottomans after the feudal fragmentation in Georgia itself, when individual local princes could not decide on the issue of further residence in a single state. As a result of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878, Russian troops liberated Ajaria from Turkish claims, after which Ajaria was annexed to the Russian Empire. At the same time, the national, cultural and religious identity was completely preserved, a steady increase in the number of labor cooperatives was observed, which worked according to a special protectionist scheme on the part of the state to obtain large tax preferences.

However, during the difficult years for Georgia, the Turkish authorities repeatedly raised the issue of returning Ajaria under their wing. Attempts at such a return were made during the years of the civil war in Russia, as well as undertaken today, but in other ways. Ankara understands that in order to make Adjaria its own, today it is not at all necessary to send troops there, but to use soft power policy, as they say now. And I must say that this policy is successfully implemented in Adjara by the Turkish authorities.
The fact is that with the population of Ajara less than 380 thousand people, more than 10% of the population of this region are ethnic Turks with Georgian passports. Only in the period from 2010 to 2012, the Georgian authorities issued 25 thousands of new Georgian passports to Turkish residents of Adjara. Obviously, if such a trend continues, in a short time the Turkish minority in this part of Georgia may well become an equal ethnos, and even a majority, because the activity of Muslim communities today in any country of the world is manifested quite clearly. Georgia is no exception in this regard.

Today, the Georgian opposition, which the democratic Georgian authorities are persistently trying to silence, says that the Muslim community of Ajara constitutes about 31% of the region’s population. In recent years, in this part of Georgia, 180 mosques and more than fifty Muslim religious schools have appeared. Such a tendency to the Georgian opposition today is in many ways reminiscent of the Kosovo precedent.

Everyone knows that after the collapse of Yugoslavia, Kosovo for a long time remained part of Serbia. However, with the active assistance of Albania and the West, this Serbian territory was actively inhabited by ethnic Albanians, many of whom had both Serbian and Albanian passports. When the number of Albanians in Kosovo reached a certain point, which can be called critical, the separatists began to use this fact to solve their problem. As a result, it was announced that the Serbian authorities infringed on the rights of the Kosovo Albanians, and President Milosevic was sending out undisguised genocide of the Albanian population to the territory of the region. The plan, as you know, worked: a democratic NATO raid on Belgrade and other Serbian cities aviationwhich, with the help of bombs, decided the outcome of the separation of Kosovo from Serbia, and Kosovo itself is today recognized by a number of countries as an independent state.

But, anyway, the Adzharian scenario is in many ways similar to the Kosovo scenario. The only difference here is that Pristina and Belgrade took the path of confrontation almost from the very beginning, while Tbilisi and Ankara continue to talk about their friendship forever. And if such a friendship is clearly on Turkey’s hand, then Mr. Saakashvili consoles himself with hopes that Turkey will not demand anything in return from this friendship.

In the meantime, everything looks calm in Ajara. Tourism is developing, new hotels are being built, roads are being built. Only now all these projects are implemented largely by Turkish funds. Ankara's investments look like a kind of sleeping pills for Tbilisi, which Mikhail Saakashvili swallows with a sweet expression on his face. In exchange, the south of Adjara (the territory near the Turkish border) gradually turns into a region that is almost completely under the control of Turkey. Turkish business for Turkish money is developing here with an active Turkish management system. Adjarians here represent a melting minority. In local villages it is almost impossible to hear Georgian. It is also noteworthy that in the territory of the south of Adjara, Turkish businessmen formed a special cluster of very dubious business. According to the locals, prostitution and sex tourism are thriving here, the income from which goes across the Turkish border. Residents of the southern villages of the village even wrote an appeal to Saakashvili with a request to solve this problem, but no news came from the president. And this once again proves that the Georgian leader today cannot be guided by his own principles, but is forced to work according to the instructions that were imposed on him from outside. Outside gloss, which seems to be beautiful Batumi embankments and well-restored buildings, hides foreign funding, which sooner or later will become a stumbling block for Tbilisi.

Foreign investors can go in two ways: either they will force the Georgian authorities to dance to their tune and support their work in Georgia (which is already happening today), or - a radical scenario when those foreign financial donors themselves want to steer the country (as happened in Kosovo) . And if everything goes along the second path, then the first territory that may come out from under the Tbilisi subordination will be Ajaria.

And if so, then Mikhail Saakashvili could become a kind of Mikhail Gorbachev of the Georgian spill, who declared democratic Western ideals, and at this time allowed the country to collapse right before his eyes. It is possible that for the further game, according to the rules of the West, Saakashvili may even be given the Nobel Prize, as the most peacekeeping policy for all history modern Georgia - one must somehow continue to obscure the eyes of ordinary Georgian citizens, when the country is literally bursting at the seams.

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http://vz.ru/politics/2012/6/23/585027.html
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  1. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 21 July 2012 08: 20
    +17
    Well, as expected. Turks are far from fools to just invest money. I think in the near future rogues and invoice. and how to pay? only territory
    1. Neutral
      Neutral 21 July 2012 12: 28
      +2

      The invoice has already been issued. And not only "rogue"
      Ankara intended to take advantage (http://www.segodnia.ru/content/111470) of the ideological vacuum prevailing in the post-Soviet expanses, but Turkey did not possess the necessary financial, political and ideological resources at that time, and it turned out to unite all the Turks under its wing for Ankara not under the force. Nevertheless, having slowed down, the Turks continue to increase their influence in the Turkic regions of the former USSR ...
      Materials on this subject have come to me recently from many friends. I put them off, thinking about writing in detail. And, after thinking carefully, he decided that there was no need. Anyone interested in the background of the question can easily find: about pan-Turkism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D1%8E%D1%80%D0% BA% D0% B8% D
      0%B7%D0%BC), его провозвестнике Исмаил-бее Гаспринском (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D
      0% BA% D0% B8% D0% B9, _% D0% 98% D1% 81% D0% BC% D0% B0% D0% B8% D0% BB) and other interesting plot details WIKI authors set out quite a lot and quite objectively . In this connection, I will limit myself to stating: this is very dangerous.
      This can no longer be called an affectionate word "wick". It was dangerous even in calm times. And now, in the timelessness, when Russia creaks and staggers - and there are enough of those who want to push, even among those who, it would seem, if not friends, then at least not enemies - is doubly dangerous. Perhaps, it is more dangerous than the notorious "radical Islam", because it does not divide into "strangers and ours," but unites "ours with ours." Without (at least formally), who is praying where and what kind of gallogroup they have. Again, only a few have truly been given to believe, it takes a lot of time to get around many, - and here the soil is already manured with might and main (http://tatar-gazeta.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=749:2011 -08
      -04-17-19-59&catid=67:2011-07-12-13-58-25&Itemid=142).
      Let's not bury our heads in the sand. The main deficit in Russia today is the deficit of an idea. She's not there. Attempts to create it from above collapse over and over again, and the gap is not visible. And the ideology of "gray wolves"

      honed to a blue ringing, and being filed in proper form is very attractive. How attractive at the break of times is any kind of nationalism that gives simple, deeply incorrect, but seemingly unkilled answers to the most complex questions. Not to mention that, unlike bearded men from the Arabian sands, the preachers of pan-Turkism are quite modern people.
      And in Turkey, not the epigones of Ataturk are at the helm, but the spiritual heirs of the early Young Turks. What two decades ago was the fruit of the activity of the marginalized today is within the framework of the so-called. "Davutoglu doctrines" (http://meast.ru/news/neoosmanizm-%E2%80%94-novyi-vneshnepoliticheskii-kurs-turt
      sii) and (thanks for the interesting link to the respected nicshe2003) Fetulla Gulen's project (http://mishmar.info/troyanskiie-kon-dlya-maloie-azii.html), became part of the official doctrine. Naturally, for the time being, this is not particularly announced from the stands, but it is promoted, kindly discussed, taught at all levels, and most importantly, it is abundantly financed within the framework of "humanitarian cooperation with foreign brothers" and various kinds of "charitable programs."

      That's probably all that should be said.
      The rest has already been said.
      There is no need to even generalize.
      This has already been done (http://malikit.livejournal.com/525146.html#t3421530):
      "Whether it is fast or slow, but Islam is taking its toll from Scoop .... Normal healthy people are always more or less preoccupied with national issues. It is not surprising that the" Gray Wolves "are accumulating strength ... And that" shkolota ", which yesterday dreamed of Great Turan, tomorrow may become an invisible horde of Turkic autonomous militants. It is not for nothing that their posters read: “We are your army, Alparslan Turkesh.” However, Scoop and Scoop, everything is always done here with a half-century lag. And therefore, let it not be shocked by the inconsistency of lines, groups and points of view within this first near-Bozkurt national hodgepodge team. The deed is done, the party is marching. So, the "Gray Wolves" in Runet.

      You see for yourself, without a Jacques at point blank range you can no longer stop.
      The steppe reaches for strength (http://president.kg/ru/posts/4f0ff19ef4d5523e3a000002)
      A weak wolves tear alive.
      That's why they are wolves.
      1. MIT
        MIT 21 July 2012 12: 55
        0
        Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia





        Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia - ASALA. Marxist-Leninist terrorist organization, carrying out acts of international terrorism. The organization supports the left-extremist and national liberation movement in many countries of the world. The main goal: the restoration of the historical territory of Armenia, which includes the east of Turkey, Northern Iran, Soviet Armenia (now sovereign). Also, acts of terrorism are motivated by the need to force Turkey to recognize the genocide of the Armenian people during the First World War. ASALA also set out to use Soviet Armenia as a springboard for the revolutionary struggle against the Turks. ASALA seeks to use revolutionary violence to put an end to the exploitation and terror of Turkish colonialism, Western imperialism and Zionism. Methods of struggle: attacks on Turkish citizens in all countries, as well as on representatives of states supporting Turkey. ASALA sees its opponents as manifestations of Turkish imperialism, which is supported by local reactionaries and international imperialism. He considers revolutionary violence the main means of struggle for the achievement of freedom of Armenia. ASALA insists on overthrowing the power of the oppressors and connects the prospects of struggle with the international revolution. The leader of the group, Hakob Hakobyan (Mujahid), was killed on the threshold of his own house in Athens in 1988.

        The first terrorist operation ASALA fighters carried out in January. 1975, blowing up the World Council of Churches in Beirut. From 1975 to 1982 terrorists of ASALA (as well as groups operating under its leadership: "Orly", "June 9", "October 3", etc.) committed murders, explosions, and attacks. Initially, the organization attacked Turkish diplomats in order to draw attention to the Armenian problem. Subsequently, a number of operations were undertaken against representatives of Western countries: attacks on the offices of KLM, Lufthansa, TWA airlines, as well as attacks on citizens of states holding ASALA militants in prison. Area of ​​operations: Europe, the Middle East, Lebanon, Turkey, USA, France, Greece, Switzerland, Spain, Austria, Great Britain, Italy, Iran, Hungary. ASALA gained great popularity among the youth of the Armenian diaspora. "Dashnaktsutyun" and other Armenian parties, influenced by the experience of ASALA, created their own terrorist formations: the Armenian Revolutionary Army, "Fighters of Justice for the Armenian Genocide" and others, in order to stop the outflow of youth to ASALA. Members of ASALA and the unarmed movements in Lebanon collaborating with it adhered to nationalist and Marxist ideology. Marxists sought to develop a detailed political program that would provide a strategic line of struggle. Unlike Marxists, nationalists attached much less importance to program issues. At the end of 1981, ASALA unveiled an eight-point political program, which was a compromise between nationalists and Marxists. ASALA's activity was successful until 1982, while close contacts were maintained with mass organizations supporting ASALA. Israeli invasion of Lebanon put an end to this. The organization was forced to move to Syria, significantly losing combat potential. The reorientation of ASALA from cooperation with the PLO to interaction with the OAS dates back to this time. The loss of bases in Lebanon and cooperation with Nydahl undermined the position of ASALA in the ranks of the Armenian armed movement. In Apr. 1983 The Armenian National Movement (France) and the Armenian organizations of Great Britain and the United States attempted to form a Democratic Front as opposed to ASALA. In 1983, the organization split over the admissibility of sabotage, leading to mass casualties. The immediate reason for the discussion was the operation at the Paris Orly airport, which killed seven people. The newly emerged ASALA-RM viewed the "blind" terror as harmful to the cause of Armenian liberation. After the split, ASALA was further exposed to internal conflicts, which led to a reduction in activity. The organization’s militants are believed to have participated in a series of bombings in Paris in 1986, demonstrating solidarity with Arab resistance and trying to force the French government to release Varoyan Karapiatyan from prison. The organization has several hundred members, enjoys the help of Syria, has strong contacts with Palestinian organizations PFLP, PFLP-GK, OAN.

        CHRONOLOGY OF TERRORIST ACTIONS:




        January 1975


        - The explosion of the Beirut headquarters of the World Council of Churches is motivated by a protest against the assistance provided to Lebanese Armenians in emigration to third countries;




        October 1975


        - the assassination of the Turkish ambassador to Austria (the Armenian Revolutionary Army also announced involvement in this operation);




        October 1975


        - the assassination of the Turkish ambassador to France;




        February 1976


        - the secretary of the Turkish Embassy in Beirut was killed;




        October 1976


        - Explosions in Istanbul, leading to the death of one person;




        November 1979


        - attack on the TWA office in Madrid;




        December 1979


        - An explosion in the London office of a Turkish airline;




        December 1979


        - The assassination of a Turkish attache in Paris;




        July 1980


        - the murder of Turkish diplomats in Geneva;




        October 1980


        - An explosion at the Alitalia office in Madrid;




        November 1980


        - The explosion of the Swissair office in Madrid;




        September 1981


        - the seizure of the Turkish Embassy in Paris, the terrorists held 51 hostages for 15 hours;




        September 1981


        - "Operation" Van "- seizure of the Turkish Embassy in Lisbon;




        June 1982


        - Attempted explosion at the Los Angeles airport;




        June 1983


        - An explosion at Orly Airport in Paris;




        March 1984


        - attack on the Turkish Embassy in Tehran;




        January - May 1986


        - a series of five operations in Lebanon (1 person was kidnapped, 9 people were killed and other damage), operations were undertaken against "Dashnaktsutyun";




        October 1987


        - attack on the French Embassy in Lebanon;




        December 1991


        - attack on the Turkish ambassador to Hungary.
    2. slas
      slas 21 July 2012 23: 55
      +3
      Quote: Ragnarek
      and how to pay? only territory

      As in the movie "" "This is no longer your territory and not mine, this is their territory!" ""
  2. esaul
    esaul 21 July 2012 08: 22
    +12
    An interesting example from Alexey on the topic of creeping economic expansion. As they say - "Here's to you, Mishiko, and St. George's Day!" You thought that they would write you free with joining NATO, but you, sick, with a face about a table and a handkerchief, would not even be offered to wipe your blood.
    1. VAF
      VAF 21 July 2012 09: 42
      +5
      Quote: esaul

      An interesting example from Alexei on the topic of creeping economic expansion.


      Valery, good morning, +! Alexei is an unconditional plus, the article is very informative, the Turks will swallow Galstukoed and ... you don’t even have to drink, but it can turn into a problem for the Turks, when the Georgian people understand that .... it’s specifically!

      Although, on the other hand, we have practically the same picture in the Far East with the Chinese and the Armenians .... You will come to Rostov, look and .. you smell, it seems that you are in Yerevan ...

      Nothing personal and no national policy .... a bare statement of facts!

      Batumi:



      Rostov-on-Don:

      1. ekebastus
        ekebastus 21 July 2012 09: 54
        -3
        With the Chinese, there’s just no problem whatsoever, there aren’t as many as they actually say (in America, there are many times more and no one is shouting about expansion), there are more Koreans there, especially the Chinese and their concerns missing by the Far East ... and the only country to which the Chinese have no territorial claims is Russia ..
        http://koly-mygotin.livejournal.com/28909.html
        1. datur
          datur 21 July 2012 12: 59
          +20
          ekebastus,
          ..and yet the only country to which the Chinese have no territorial claims is Russia, ?! no, the only country to which the Chinese have no territorial claims is CHINA. !!!! in relation to absolutely ALL of its neighbors, China has a claim !!!! wink yes
      2. itr
        itr 21 July 2012 10: 13
        +3
        so what is a turkish restaurant and saw what it is called? APSARA and this is a folk dance in Cambodia seen this year. In our country, there are a million Japanese restaurants and the Japanese themselves have seen current on TV. And so here one local but very proud created a restaurant of knowledge was enough for some kind of foreign inscription. All business went
        1. MIT
          MIT 21 July 2012 10: 37
          -8
          Quote: itr
          so what is a turkish restaurant and saw what it is called? APSARA and this is a folk dance in Cambodia seen this year. In our country, there are a million Japanese restaurants and the Japanese themselves have seen current on TV. And so here one local but very proud created a restaurant of knowledge was enough for some kind of foreign inscription. All business went


          You +
      3. Neutral
        Neutral 21 July 2012 10: 51
        +3
        Sergey, I welcome you.
        Underestimated?


        1. VAF
          VAF 21 July 2012 11: 10
          +3
          Quote: Neutral

          Sergey, I welcome you.

          Underestimated?


          And you, +! Mutually!

          Just a lot to tell the people that in Rostov there is a whole city of Nakhichevan and that 300 years of Armenian settlements on the Don, and this year the region will be only 75 years old, etc.

          And what ... and this Rostov, which is under our Chevytyr, etc. etc.

          But the people do not want to see this, approval is everywhere !!!

          Only here is the topic that the south has remained completely Naked completely stubbornly nobody wants to notice and see:

          1. There is no fleet.
          2. There is no aviation.
          3. Reconnaissance aircraft, all the more.
          4. The only regiment from Korenovsk stuck right in Morozovsk. although who interfered in Krasnodar to the central ????

          It’s like removing the bombs before the first Chechnya to the warehouse, rockets (bunks, nurses) to another warehouse, shells to the guns .. to the third ... everything repeats .. they say the right thing ... the water cycle in nature !!! recourse

          But Taburetkin can have water instead of sawdust, really water in ... A stool ??? am
          1. Zhaman-Urus
            Zhaman-Urus 21 July 2012 14: 23
            0
            Do you think that the Armenians of Rostov will want to secede from Russia? Yes, you are a joker, Armenians, of course, are warriors but also a stupid people, in Muslim North. Without support from Russia, they will not be able to cope. They will eat them.
            1. Ataturk
              Ataturk 21 July 2012 14: 35
              +1
              Quote: Zhaman-Urus
              Do you think that the Armenians of Rostov will want to secede from Russia?

              At the first opportunity, they will do so. They have land claims of Georgia, Azerbaijan, and they are friends with Iran, if they become ENEMIES, given their lying map of great Armenia, they will want a piece from Iran and of course they have claims to Turkey ... they also want some of the land.

              HOPE ITALIANS will not be like the Armenians and remember the map of the great ROME .... I'm afraid EUROPE will lose.

              And today, the Armenians already say that Krasnodar is their land. Read their forums, make sure. And this login Neutral literally a couple of months ago, he wrote to me, there will be no ARMENIANS;

              so I know them very well. They build KHACHKARI everywhere and then their grandchildren will say that the trace from the Armenians is our land. THEY ALWAYS DO AND DO IT
        2. Ataturk
          Ataturk 21 July 2012 14: 09
          +1
          Monument erected by Armenians in honor of 150 resettlement of Armenians in Karabakh.



          And AFTER THE WAR themselves destroyed. So THIS friendship with RUSSIAN destroy. You cannot be friends with anyone.
      4. sapulid
        sapulid 21 July 2012 11: 11
        +6
        Cool, you. about Rostov :)) Damn, it's called "I heard the ringing ..." And how many Ukrainians are there in the Kuban? :)

        My dear, both here and there, people were resettled by the KING DECORATIONS. And they live there for centuries. I myself have lived for 20 years in Rostov and I know that on ethnic grounds, conflicts practically do not arise with the Armenians. Because they are Russified.

        A. FOR KINDING INTERNATIONAL RETAIL, POSSIBLE NOT ONLY A BAN ON THE SITE, BUT AND UNDER ARTICLE OF THE Criminal Code of the Russian Federation HEATSED !!!!
        1. VAF
          VAF 21 July 2012 11: 32
          +11
          Quote: sapulid

          Cool, you. about Rostov :)) Damn, it's called "I heard the ringing ..."


          Dear, I was born and raised here in 1952, so come on, we won’t ... about ringing, etc. !!!

          And who told you about conflicts or somewhere I wrote about it, and ???


          Quote: sapulid
          Because they are Russified.


          Well, yes .... real rusichi .... only they get passports like refugees!


          Quote: sapulid
          A. FOR KINDING INTERNATIONAL RETAIL, POSSIBLE NOT ONLY A BAN ON THE SITE, BUT AND UNDER ARTICLE OF THE Criminal Code of the Russian Federation HEATSED !!!!


          You scare your wife in the kitchen. Okay?
        2. Ataturk
          Ataturk 21 July 2012 12: 16
          +1
          Quote: sapulid
          My dear, both here and there, people were resettled by the KING DECORATIONS. And they live there for centuries.

          And after a certain time, both with Karabakh and the Krasnodar Territory, they will first ask for autonomy and then independence.
          Not just the same Russian officials asked not to populate the southern lands of Russia with Armenians. Although it may agree with me, many Armenian children already tell their peers that the southern region of Russia belonged to Great Armenia. So that's alas.
          First they will ask for autonomy and then independence.
          1. datur
            datur 21 July 2012 13: 06
            +8
            Ataturk,
            this is unfortunately the problem of all countries, in Germany, Turks download rights, mother do not grieve !!!! But they are also imported migrant workers there !!!!! yes in France full of seams !!!
            1. saturn.mmm
              saturn.mmm 21 July 2012 14: 01
              +4
              Quote: datur
              this is unfortunately the problem of all countries, in Germany, Turks download rights, mother do not grieve !!!! But they are also imported migrant workers there!

              Turks in Germany were migrant workers 40-45 years ago and now they are Germans of Turkish descent and they don’t particularly download rights but rights come from the Caucasus who emigrated during Chechen campaigns, different ethnic groups of disintegrated Yugoslavia, and those who managed to break through from the Middle East and compared to the Turks-Turks are white and fluffy. There is generally a siege of Berlin, on the outskirts of the camp in a circle.
            2. Bozkurt
              Bozkurt 21 July 2012 16: 13
              -4
              What do you now feel about Germany and France were offended ????
            3. Yazov
              Yazov 21 July 2012 19: 20
              +4
              In Germany, the Turks are cooler than the Germans from Russia, but about France .... There are no words, everywhere you look, Arabs and Africans are everywhere. It felt like I came to Egypt. Well, de ... democracy
      5. esaul
        esaul 21 July 2012 13: 02
        +2
        VAF,
        Serge, salute. The photos are undoubtedly eloquent and high-quality, but they cannot be exhaustive evidence of purposeful and absolute expansion. This does not mean that there are certain trends and they must be taken into account, but without calls, buddy ... Post - +
      6. Fidain
        Fidain 21 July 2012 13: 45
        0
        Thank you for the statue, but to be honest, I am offended by the Georgian people, everything seems to be fine. The country is rising, but they didn’t even think about such scenarios. Yes, the end-to-end people saw that she was a business man but idle time, to the end there was nothing it’s not a case yet. The Turks want the whole of Georgia to be crushed for themselves, so that they’ll settle in Russia for the first time of the militants! They want the Black Sea as a whole and the empire to Afghanistan
        1. General
          General 21 July 2012 15: 50
          -12
          Fidain

          Enough for you to conduct a propaganda against the Turks on the Russian site, if you had your strength, you would not sit still and act. Well, you do not have strength and will not.
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 21 July 2012 23: 01
            +4
            Quote: General
            , would you have the strength would not sit still and act. Well, you do not have strength and will not.

            Is this in the sense of the Greeks or something? And this is written by a resident of Azerbaijan, who has been deprived of Nagorno-Karabakh for the past year. You should read a story, there are many interesting things.
            1. Bozkurt
              Bozkurt 21 July 2012 23: 09
              -4
              Pancho
              Yes, and it would not hurt you to read the story about geopolitics, would understand why Azerbaijan has not razed the land of the country called Armenia !!!
        2. Bozkurt
          Bozkurt 21 July 2012 16: 17
          -5
          And then others want this n !!!
          You are something very worried about Georgia guys, like 08.08.08, not Turkey bombed Georgia, but Russia !!!
        3. MIT
          MIT 21 July 2012 20: 56
          0
          [quote = Fidain] Thank you for the statue, but to be honest, I’m sorry for the Georgian people, everything seems to be good money is ticked by the country of the uprising, but they didn’t even think about such scenarios. and there’s nothing to help until the incident. The Turks want to sweep the whole of Georgia for themselves, so that they’ll be sent to Russia to premiere the militants! They want the Black Sea as a whole and the empire to Afghanistan

          From myself - who is this person
          Armenian Fedai
          Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Fidai Amazaspa at a show in Etchmiadzin in 1915 before the battle
          Fedayas, less often fidayas, fidaines (Armenian Ֆեդայի; W.-Armenian. Ֆէտայի, from Arabic - “victims” or Persian “a person who sacrifices himself in the name of an idea”) are voluntary participants in the armed struggle of the Armenian people against foreign invaders during from the middle of the XIX century until the end of the XX century. [source not specified 111 days]

          Fidai pursued both social and national liberation goals. The Fidai took an oath not to spare their lives for the sake of the Motherland and the people, to be truthful, morally clean, to keep the secret entrusted to them, to keep order in good order, to shoot accurately, to be content with modest food, not to drink alcohol, to respect the working people, to be brave and resourceful in battle, defeat the enemy, even if he has a numerical superiority.

          The Armenian people sang the heroism of the Fidai, dedicated songs to them. Poems dedicated to the Fidai were created by D. Varuzhan, O. Tumanyan, A. Isahakyan and other poets; in the book of H. Dashtenets “Call of the plowmen”, images of a number of famous Fidai were created, paintings of many Armenian artists are devoted to them. The Fidai movement, led by the Armenian national parties, is a brilliant page in the national liberation struggle of the Armenian people.

          During the Karabakh war of 1992-1994. members of Armenian groups were also often called fidaines. The most famous Fidai of the Karabakh movement was the hero Monte Melkonyan.
          1. Bozkurt
            Bozkurt 21 July 2012 23: 19
            -4
            Monte Melkonyan, who was beheaded by a bayonet with a knife !!!!
        4. smile
          smile 21 July 2012 23: 58
          +4
          Fidain
          Hello. It is gratifying that you switched to the Cyrillic alphabet. Not in reproach you are told. The article is good. But I believe that despite the fact that the Turks teach their children at school (I mean school history), Turkey is unlikely to be going to take Adjaria right now. Just in case, they are thinking about the future ... At one time, Adjara, appropriately tied up and supported by arms, really was in some way the bridgehead of Turkey ... now I don’t know, but we could not defend them and they could not help but remember this. .... and about the militants. then they, consumables, the ideas of pan-Turkism will be able to come true only in the event of our complete exhaustion, and they are unlikely to wait ...
          Here you are blamed below. that you are discrediting the Turks .... funny, the Ottomans, and then the Young Turks (although we allied with them at one time - didn’t appreciate it. zarrrrzy) so discredited themselves that much more .... and the minuses probably put you either fans of Turkey, or those who did not like your kind statements about Georgia ... but anyway - +
          1. Bozkurt
            Bozkurt 22 July 2012 00: 11
            -4
            PSih2097
            The ideas of Panturkism do not depend on your strength. And as for the one who is the infection, everyone can see and understand, and there is nothing to appreciate, sheer negativity !!! So you have a big minus -----
        5. John
          John 28 July 2012 02: 22
          0
          come on you, but separated, independent steel wassat
      7. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 21 July 2012 13: 46
        +7
        Quote: vaf
        Nothing personal and no national policy .... a bare statement of facts!

        I didn’t want to raise this topic before, it’s kind of like a union state and point out such things from the outside, Rostov is one thing, and if you get to the southern border of the Rostov region it’s completely Dagestan there and the Russians are practically hired Dagestan land . District authorities, the Ministry of Internal Affairs all work for Caucasians. The Cossack organization was disbanded for allegedly brutal acts during the Chechen war.
        1. Bozkurt
          Bozkurt 21 July 2012 16: 38
          -6
          saturn.mmm
          And what’s wrong with this if you live by the laws of capitalism ??
          Everyone works for the employer !!
        2. John
          John 28 July 2012 02: 36
          0
          I visited in the Krasnodar Territory, had occasion to communicate with the Kuban Cossacks. Organizations have nowhere to go, just the time has not come yet ...
  3. pribolt
    pribolt 21 July 2012 08: 37
    +2
    For a long time there was nothing about Saak even got bored, but Alexey remembered a smile.
  4. Yarbay
    Yarbay 21 July 2012 08: 38
    +2
    Dear Alexey!
    1. Tell me in exchange for the multimillion-dollar loans that Russia gave to Armenia, having borrowed almost the entire industry of Armenia and even its railways, Russia occupied Armenia? Did the leaders of Armenia pay with Armenia! ??
    2. *** And if everything goes along the second path, then Adjara will become the first territory that can get out of Tbilisi’s subordination. *** Armenian separatism in Javakheti is much more dangerous and relevant for Georgia than Adjarian invented by you!
    3. By distributing Russian passports to the population of Abkhazia and South, Ossetia before 08.08.08, did Russia prepare the annexation and occupation of these territories ??
    4. *** Behind the external gloss, which seems to be beautiful Batumi embankments and well-restored buildings, is hidden foreign financing, which will sooner or later become a stumbling block for Tbilisi. *** - Well, if Russia financed, would everyone be happy ??
    Why is foreign financing good for the whole world, but terrible for Georgia ??
    In general, the article is biased than you often sin!
    1. tree
      tree 21 July 2012 08: 46
      +1
      In general, the article is biased than you often sin!
      Yes, they often sin with this
  5. sovereign2704
    sovereign2704 21 July 2012 08: 41
    +1
    and he will come running to Russia to ask for protection .... am
    1. 73petia
      73petia 21 July 2012 13: 56
      +5
      He will not run to Russia. He will leave for America.
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 21 July 2012 15: 09
        +4
        73petia,
        Georgians will get beyond Adjara and across the ocean! Now there is no peaceful place for him on this planet. winked
  6. tree
    tree 21 July 2012 08: 43
    +1
    We must look deeper. Here, and so before, there was a huge population of Turks, who were subsequently repressed to Central Asia. Now around the world about 300 thousand Turks who were repressed. Imagine what would happen if they were not repressed? And even during the repression, 1/5 of the Turks died. Adjara would have long been a part of Turkey. Stalin at that time saved Georgia by repressing the Turks. I do not understand Saakashvili. Although I am a Turk who was repressed. This article is similar to an article from one Georgian source. I also saw a map where Batumi is part of Turkey.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 21 July 2012 08: 58
      +3
      As far as I know, some of the repressed Turks returned?
      1. tree
        tree 21 July 2012 09: 56
        +1
        Believe me, there are very few of them. and you cannot name a part of them! I am part of these Turks and believe me the desire to move to Georgia has no desire.
    2. Bozkurt
      Bozkurt 21 July 2012 16: 41
      -5
      tree
      You won’t say that you are a Turk, or the represassants did a good job on you !!!
  7. upasika1918
    upasika1918 21 July 2012 08: 45
    +9
    At one of the rallies, the deceased Z. Gamsakhurdia said: "... the Ossetians are garbage that needs to be swept out of our land .." It looks like the population of Georgia will not have their own land soon.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 21 July 2012 09: 05
      +6
      Gamsakhurdia said a lot of stupid things about all the peoples inhabiting Georgia !!
      Is this a reason to hate Georgians?
      and that Zhirinovsky says little nonsense ??
      1. sssla
        sssla 21 July 2012 09: 17
        +8
        Zhirinovsky speaks more, unlike Gamsakhurdia and others. And these comrades more do nasty things or did like Gamsakhurdia
      2. upasika1918
        upasika1918 21 July 2012 09: 18
        +3
        Hate is the daughter of fear. I just quoted Zviadi. By the way None of the then fighters for "freedom and democracy" was indignant. Nowhere. Not in Georgia. Not in Russia. Nowhere else.
      3. UzRus
        UzRus 21 July 2012 09: 19
        +2
        Alibek, good morning! It seems to me that they are brothers ...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 21 July 2012 13: 15
          +5
          Good morning!
          Perhaps you are right Alexander!
          They were both provocateurs !!
          Below, Ilo wrote that he was talking about the Georgians themselves, I heard that he was talking about Azerbaijanis!
          Then someone correctly noted that in the world no one was indignant with his statements!
          It was just a goal to destroy the USSR, and like a blog thanks to whom it didn’t matter !!
      4. nsr1950
        nsr1950 21 July 2012 12: 38
        +3
        Gamsakhurdia was the head of state, therefore, all his statements have a corresponding weight, and Zhirik is just a member of parliament, whose words weigh immeasurably less than, for example, Putin’s words. If Putin and Zhirik say the opposite, who will you believe? ... That's the same! So is Gamsakhurdia. And the words of the head of state, even if he died from internal showdowns, the other Georgian head of state did not refute !!!! Therefore, the words of Gamsakhurdia are the official point of view of Georgia. That's why I do not like Georgians ...
      5. 73petia
        73petia 21 July 2012 14: 12
        +3
        Nobody seems to hate Georgians. Many Georgians live in Russia. I myself have several acquaintances of Georgians. They go to visit their relatives in Georgia. Just don't tell anything. It is interesting to find out, not from the media, but from a living person, how they evaluate everything that happened. No, they don't say anything. “I don’t want to talk about this” and that's it.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 21 July 2012 14: 52
          +1
          Quote: 73petia
          Yes, nobody seems to hate Georgians

          the fact of the matter is that, like !!
        2. MIT
          MIT 21 July 2012 21: 03
          -3
          Thank God there is a search engine !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      6. 73petia
        73petia 21 July 2012 14: 30
        +4
        Nobody seems to hate Georgians. Many Georgians live in Russia. I myself have several acquaintances of Georgians. They go to visit their relatives in Georgia. Just don't tell anything. It is interesting to find out, not from the media, but from a living person, how they evaluate everything that happened. No, they don't say anything. “I don’t want to talk about this” and that's it.
      7. John
        John 28 July 2012 02: 43
        0
        Dear, do not confuse politicians with showmen.
    2. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 21 July 2012 12: 06
      +10
      gamsakhurdia was a dibil
      he said isho that: you adjarzii are also Georgians (didn’t know what)
      in the Kakhet said about the Kachels: you are the son of a bitch Persians
      He was a patriot, but he was dibyloid. He crossed the borders and nothing came, nothing was sold, people were starving. He was beaten because the 1 / 3 Black Sea fleet would be ours, isho weapons, a professional soldier. He ruined the country
      1. Alexey Pototsky
        Alexey Pototsky 21 July 2012 13: 21
        +18
        Georgian army - a parody of the army ... wassat
        1. Denzel13
          Denzel13 21 July 2012 17: 37
          +5
          And lined with a wedge (doesn’t resemble anything? Lake Peipsi for example).
      2. Saqartvelo
        Saqartvelo 21 July 2012 13: 49
        -15
        Geokingxnumx
        gamsakhurdia was a dibil
        ,

        You know, no matter how he is, this is our purely internal affair, and before the enemies I won’t even blame the bad president of Georgia.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 July 2012 14: 04
          +7
          You are your own enemy! And your price is -0!
          1. Pessimist2014
            Pessimist2014 27 July 2012 16: 00
            0
            Good answer! Does he need Russian enemies, Orthodox co-religionists? Does he need it? He did not think about it!
        2. ole
          ole 21 July 2012 14: 10
          +4
          To go nuts, well, even simple boilers have brainwashed or you Saqartvelo clean provocateur.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 July 2012 14: 43
            +9
            Quote: ole

            To go nuts, well, even simple boilers have brainwashed or you Saqartvelo clean provocateur

            But doesn’t anyone understand this? or he went to a tea site to drink
          2. Bozkurt
            Bozkurt 21 July 2012 16: 55
            -6
            ole

            Saqartvelo is not a provocateur, but a man who loves his country !!!
            I advise you to take an example from such people !!!
        3. urich
          urich 21 July 2012 14: 19
          +17
          Dear, Sakartvelo, we (citizens of the Russian Federation) are not your enemies. Personally, I, and I think that other Russians, as well as yours, have no idea to shoot, or otherwise take the life of any of the citizens of modern Georgia. Even more, I have no intention of doing even the slightest dirty trick. And I do not care how you live there in Georgia - this is your business. Although, of course, I would like everyone to live well. And were friends.
          1. Bozkurt
            Bozkurt 21 July 2012 17: 02
            -8
            urich
            Yes, how beautiful it sounds !!
            I say Ossetians and Abkhazians themselves moved to Russia, Russia for a long time did not want to seize these territories, but they insisted !! And the bombs, by themselves, fell on Georgia.
            With such an explanation of affairs, it can be said for sure that Georgians and Russians are "brothers" forever !!
            1. smile
              smile 22 July 2012 00: 14
              +5
              Bozkurt
              No, at first the shells banged at our peacekeepers ... on their own .... at first the peaceful population of Ossetia began to be destroyed ..... apparently also on its own .... thank God we beat the good Georgian army with teeth and it didn’t I managed to do the same thing in Abkhazia, otherwise death would have come there ... on its own ... and even earlier, someone was preparing the Georgian army for this, pulling together troops ... are we to blame for this? we are guilty of that. what prompted the good Georgian army to attempt genocide, which they themselves then stopped? Ugly sounds! With such explanations you can go very far ..... beyond the edge of common sense.
              1. Bozkurt
                Bozkurt 22 July 2012 00: 34
                -4
                smile
                It seems that the Russian Federation and China vetoed interference in the internal affairs of Syria, so why didn’t they stand aside, after all, are the internal affairs of the Georgian state. There is a UN for this, and this organization deals with these issues !!!
                1. smile
                  smile 22 July 2012 00: 55
                  +6
                  Bozkurt
                  You still ask me. why do we defend evil Mongolia from the good Japanese .... But I’ll answer anyway.
                  We did not form Syria and did not protect it from the Ottomans and Persians. like Georgia. Armenia and Azerbaijan. We have not put so many lives there. None of the Syrian leadership has bothered us ... sometimes for centuries. so that we take them under the wing. otherwise they will be destroyed. ... protecting the nations. we did not grant them the same rights. like a native Russian. at the same time giving them a lot of privileges .... we did not collect Syria. like Georgia from disparate principalities with excellent languages ​​and which would never have been included if not for us ..... you can list a lot .... but. probably. it is enough for you that, according to international law, an attack on peacekeepers is tantamount to an attack on a country ... since then. how the first howitzer shell fell on the heads of our peacekeepers. the Georgian army has outlawed itself ... otherwise the dissatisfied cries of its current masters from across the ocean would not have ceased so quickly .... well, what is not clear here? So. what not to mix!
                  The internal affairs of the Georgian state extend just as much. until this state begins to tolerantly kill our peacekeepers and citizens of the Russian Federation!
            2. kush62
              kush62 22 July 2012 05: 06
              +3
              And on August 8, Russia attacked Georgian peacekeepers when they ate barbecue. Already the West doesn’t star, but you still carry nonsense.
          2. Denzel13
            Denzel13 21 July 2012 17: 49
            +8
            Urich, do not agree in part. I’m a retired officer and I always believed and acted on the basis of the conviction that if a soldier or a citizen of the USSR, and later the Russian Federation, suffered, then anyone who raised weapons from the opposite side should be destroyed if this happens in battle, or be punished according to our laws, regardless of location and elapsed time.
            1. stroporez
              stroporez 26 July 2012 10: 15
              0
              1000% !!!!!!! the landing is dying, but does not bend !!))) and we will return there again)) --- such a plan))
          3. Pessimist2014
            Pessimist2014 27 July 2012 16: 07
            0
            I fully confirm your point of view - we were never enemies to the Georgians, but they acted like enemies to us: remember at least their tangerines in our markets at a high price! Brothers and friends don’t trade with each other like that!
            The memories of military service in the Soviet army come to mind! Georgians were Russian friends? I do not remember! They always tried to rise, most often by brute physical strength where they did not meet resistance!
            And always on their own mind! Has anyone forced them to such a behavior? No, in our country the national minorities were even a bit more equal among all the rest equal! So the desire to see enemies in us is nothing more than the desire to dominate us! And this is not encouraged by a handshake, only an uppercut!
        4. Zhaman-Urus
          Zhaman-Urus 21 July 2012 14: 28
          +10
          Plyusanul for truth, the first Georgian who said that the Russian enemies. I hope in Russia this will be understood and remembered.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 21 July 2012 14: 54
            0
            Greetings Zhaman-Urus!
            and quite a few Russians openly say that Georgians are their enemies!
            And after the war, what should they say?
            1. Zhaman-Urus
              Zhaman-Urus 21 July 2012 20: 09
              +4
              Vae victus.
            2. John
              John 28 July 2012 03: 04
              0
              Russians are able to forgive. But they will no longer turn their backs.
          2. John
            John 28 July 2012 03: 00
            0
            I hope to live until the moment when Kazakhstan rejoins Russia drinks Yes, and Belarus and Ukraine wink
        5. Denzel13
          Denzel13 21 July 2012 17: 40
          +4
          If there are enemies, what are you doing here? Visit the sites of your hosts.
        6. Quasar
          Quasar 23 July 2012 11: 59
          +2
          You tell America about the internal matter. The Russians seem to be more worried about your problems with Adjara than your president, whom you are not going to blame before our enemies .. The price for you and your president will be determined by history, although it’s already clear
        7. Pessimist2014
          Pessimist2014 27 July 2012 15: 58
          0
          And since when have we become enemies? Not since when you dreamed it?
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 July 2012 14: 03
        +7
        Dahlia, with politicians you are not so lucky. And if you think you were lucky with saaka, remember yourself when the Russian soldiers were in 15 km from Tbilisi, as everyone on the site is brave, as in life and in battle, drop the machine gun and save your skin.
      4. Pessimist2014
        Pessimist2014 27 July 2012 15: 56
        0
        Well, Georgians don’t know how to handle equipment - you need to work with it, and not to juggle!
  8. kNow
    kNow 21 July 2012 09: 12
    +11
    Interestingly, the author of the article has ever been to Adjara?

    In the meantime, everything is calm in Adzharia. Tourism is developing, new hotels are being built, roads are being laid. Only now all these projects are being implemented in many ways. on Turkish funds.


    Not only Turkish, but also Azerbaijani, Armenian, Chinese. Russian companies, especially mobile operators, feel at ease there.

    Here Turkish business develops with Turkish money with an active Turkish management system.
    The Adzharians here represent a melting minority.
    In local villages it is almost impossible to hear the Georgian language.


    Turkish tourism management has shown its effectiveness on the example of Antalya.
    In Adjara, an influx of tourists and those wishing to earn. But the Adzharians did not seem to express dissatisfaction.
    About the Georgian language lies. The old people still speak Russian somewhat, the youngsters know nothing but Georgian.

    According to local residents, prostitution and sex tourism are thriving here, the proceeds of which go across the Turkish border.

    There is one. But it is in any resort city. Revenues across the Turkish border? nonsense...

    Behind the outer gloss, which seems to be beautiful Batumi embankments and well-restored buildings, is hidden foreign financing, which will sooner or later become a stumbling block for Tbilisi.

    If I - a foreign citizen - are building a hotel there - how could this threaten Saakashvili?

    The biggest problem of Georgia, except for the territorial one, is the lack of money in the hands of the population ... And laziness.

    The article is more propaganda.
    1. HIGHLANDER
      HIGHLANDER 22 July 2012 04: 10
      +2
      I agree, the article is propaganda. I wonder why the author does not write about Russian business in Adjara? the region is developing, there is no theft, police do not take bribes, and these are the words of those people who come to Batumi from Moscow, moreover, Russians. anti-Russian propaganda is certainly present, but not in the volumes it was during the time of the Gamsakhurdia and Shevarnadze, mosques are being built, but the Adzharians are Muslims, and therefore they are building.
  9. Yarbay
    Yarbay 21 July 2012 09: 19
    +1
    And why did they delete my first comment ??
    Have I offended anyone ???
    I pointed out the inaccuracies and biases of the author !!
    What is the problem??
    Nothing I repeat is not difficult for me!
  10. Yarbay
    Yarbay 21 July 2012 09: 33
    +1
    Dear Alexey!
    1. The question of the separatism of the Turks in Adjara is contrived, the separatism of the Armenians in Javakhetia is much more relevant!
    2.. *** Only now all these projects are being implemented largely with Turkish funds. *** - In exchange for multimillion-dollar loans, having bought almost the entire industry of Armenia, including its railways, annexed and occupied Armenia ??
    3.. *** Only during the period from 2010 to 2012, the Georgian authorities issued 25 new Georgian passports to Turkish residents of Adjara *** - *** many of which had both Serbian and Albanian passports. When the number of Albanians in Kosovo reached a certain point, which can be called critical, the separatists began to use this fact to solve their problem ** - when Russia until 08.08.08. distributed Russian passports to Abkhazians in Abkhazia and Ossetians in South Ossetia, then Russia was preparing for the annexation and occupation of these territories ???
    4. ** Tourism is developing, new hotels are being built, roads are being laid ** ** Ankara's investments look like a kind of sleeping pills for Tbilisi ** - What is bad about investments?
    If Russia would invest it is super, and other states all want to chop off territories from Georgia ??
    Why is investment good all over the world, but bad for Georgia ??
    The article is generally biased!
  11. itr
    itr 21 July 2012 09: 35
    -4
    judging by the article, it’s time to completely give the Black Sea to the Turks Azov. In short, enough to rassesolaty gentlemen, pack your things and move beyond the Urals until there the Khanty with Evenki ask for their share of 10 years so you can live peacefully.
  12. scrack
    scrack 21 July 2012 09: 36
    +9
    Americans will be surprised when they find out that there is a certain Adjara in the state of Georgia and the Turks want to take it away. Togo and look, they will go to war on the Turks, and not on Syria laughing
  13. MIT
    MIT 21 July 2012 10: 35
    0
    Quote-According to statements by representatives of certain Turkish political forces, Adjara has been under the yoke of Georgian occupation since 1878 ...


    From myself, to what statements ..............., TOTAL Nonsense!

    I don’t understand one thing, why some leaders want to push peoples and states together with their foreheads, or maybe scabies tortured
    .
    Turkey has always been, is and will be treated WITH RESPECT to the territorial integrity of all states!
    But it will give to the teeth those who try to encroach on its territory!

    Best regards
    1. sapulid
      sapulid 21 July 2012 11: 24
      +3
      "Turkey has always treated, treats and will treat with RESPECT the territorial integrity of all states!
      But it will give to the teeth those who try to encroach on its territory!
      "
      What about Syria? The whole question is WHAT DOES TURKEY CONSIDER OUR TERRITORY?

      China and Japan claim to be part of the Russian Federation. Many states have territorial claims. The usual thing. Only, problems are resolved, in different ways ...
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 21 July 2012 14: 29
        -11
        what about Syria ??
        Does Turkey dispute the territorial integrity of Syria ??
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 26 July 2012 10: 21
          0
          She didn’t dispute the territories of Iraq either. and now let someone try to deprive her of northern Iraq where she pumps oil ................ and not to some dumb Iraqi government, but to her beloved
      2. General
        General 21 July 2012 16: 02
        -16
        Where did you get that Turkey wants to take over Syria? Turkey, unlike Russia, does not roll its eyes to foreign lands
        1. Oleg Rosskiyy
          Oleg Rosskiyy 21 July 2012 17: 08
          +5
          Quote: General
          Turkey, unlike Russia, does not roll its eyes to foreign lands

          Eyes, yes, and dirty little hands with gangster slander on them, even like that.
          1. Bozkurt
            Bozkurt 21 July 2012 17: 45
            -7
            Oleg Rosskiyy
            Eyes, yes, and dirty little hands with gangster slander on them, even like that.

            It seems that Turkey did not occupy the territory of Georgia !!!
          2. MIT
            MIT 21 July 2012 21: 09
            -4
            !!!!!!!!!!!
            Quote: Oleg Rosskiyy
            Eyes, yes, and dirty little hands with gangster slander on them, even like that.







            where did you see if you have such an opinion about yourself I do not mind !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            1. Arayikus
              Arayikus 22 July 2012 09: 48
              +2
              here are your Turks.
            2. John
              John 28 July 2012 03: 23
              0
              come on you, in the republics through which mercenaries got to the vainakhs, hands to their ears in blood am
        2. Ottofonfenhel
          Ottofonfenhel 21 July 2012 17: 26
          +1
          And on whose land do we "roll our eyes," tell me idiot, what piece do we want to take from Azerbaijan, whose flag is hanging from you? For example, we did not join South Ossetia, although we had to (this is my personal opinion and I do not impose it on anyone). I will not speak for the Turks, but you "want" Nagorno-Karabakh, and you yourself do not deny it.
          1. Bozkurt
            Bozkurt 21 July 2012 18: 13
            -2
            Ottofonfenhel
            It costs me how you noticed the flag of the Republic of Azerbaijan!
            You did not annex South Ossetia, but there is a NATO base there, or did it happen to us ?? Was it not you who fought with the Georgians and seized these territories and would gladly include them in your "empire", but here's how to explain it to the world !!
            You apparently fell from the moon or hit your head hard, Nagorno-Karabakh is an integral part of the Republic of Azerbaijan, for shell-shocked people I will explain how the Chechen Republic is for Russia.
        3. valokordin
          valokordin 22 July 2012 15: 44
          +2
          To the Turkish general, Turkey is helping the Syrian rebels with all their might along with the Americans, Saudis and Alkaids. Here their goals coincide. But the goal is to deprive Russia of its support in the Mediterranean Sea and the Middle East.
        4. stroporez
          stroporez 26 July 2012 10: 22
          0
          He doesn’t roll his eyes, but quietly grabs ..............
    2. Oleg Rosskiyy
      Oleg Rosskiyy 21 July 2012 12: 46
      +4
      But what about the fact that your politicians are interfering in the internal affairs of Syria, maybe it should be given to someone too tough, though which one? The USA is chewing everything for you.
      1. Bozkurt
        Bozkurt 21 July 2012 17: 07
        -7
        Oleg Rosskiyy
        Whose cow would mumble, why did you interfere in the internal affairs of Georgia, Moldova, Azerbaijan ???
      2. MIT
        MIT 21 July 2012 21: 12
        -6
        We never intervened !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        If you intervene from Assad, horns and legs will remain! To stay
        1. Quasar
          Quasar 23 July 2012 12: 09
          +1
          I'm afraid you have beguiled the shores .. Where to intervene? Our fleet is in Syria, with about 100 Russian citizens living there. Unlike you, your president is aware of all the consequences of the attack on Syria, and therefore did not make noise about the downed phantom .. Everything is fraught, and even more so under such conditions (described above) attacking Syria will be at least stupid.
    3. General
      General 21 July 2012 16: 02
      -1
      yes it is, Turks respect Georgians
      1. MIT
        MIT 21 July 2012 21: 13
        -11
        Georgians Christians and we Muslims and Georgia will not give offense !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. Arayikus
          Arayikus 21 July 2012 22: 39
          +2
          Yes, now mow it down under the Turks. Didn’t you get tired of this for the Azeris? Do you and the Turks need the Georgians as long as there is a Karabakh conflict to keep Armenia under siege. But remember, the current corrupt Georgia will not even help you. no matter what the blockade is.
        2. Roman Skomorokhov
          Roman Skomorokhov 22 July 2012 09: 24
          +2
          I didn’t understand the connection, at least kill. Well, Turkey will not offend Georgia - yes, of course, but where is religion? Or is the protection of infidels spelled out in the Qur'an? In my opinion, just the opposite ...
        3. Quasar
          Quasar 23 July 2012 12: 10
          +5
          Armenians are also Christians. I don’t hope to remind about the genocide? Or is it not taught at your school (a rhetorical question and does not require an answer)?
    4. HIGHLANDER
      HIGHLANDER 22 July 2012 04: 15
      +5
      The territory of Armenia to Kars, Georgia is Ardagan, here are the territorial claims for you, Dear V. Lenin, gave the territory, why not demand it now?)
    5. Arayikus
      Arayikus 22 July 2012 09: 18
      +1
      And nuka look at this Turkish shard. "Turkey has always treated, treats and will treat with RESPECT the territorial integrity of all states!
      But it will give in the teeth to those who try to encroach on its territory! "
      IT WRITES WHEN CYPRUS AND PART OF ARMENIA IS OCCUPIED BY TURKEY. Hypocrites!
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 22 July 2012 11: 59
        -3
        Quote: Arayikus
        IT WRITES WHEN CYPRUS AND PART OF ARMENIA IS OCCUPIED BY TURKEY. Hypocrites!


        Listen, you don’t breed people here. You are the only nation that has land problems to all states that are neighbors to you.

        You are the only nation in the world that has killed the citizens of all its neighboring countries.

        You are from that ungrateful one who forgets that your fellow tribesmen now, knowing what you were writing, would tear you apart. Or did you forget how they make money there?


        And now the most important thing, who is this occupant? Turks or YOU?
        Your nation, the record holder for the number of terrorist acts.

        And in the Caucasus, you were not, given all the above mentioned by me, such as you, there was only one comrade, HITLER!

        Draw conclusions.
        1. Arayikus
          Arayikus 22 July 2012 12: 23
          -2
          Ataturk,
          Well, if this helps to cut you out, provocateurs without exception, then HI Hitler!
          1. Ataturk
            Ataturk 22 July 2012 12: 29
            -3
            Quote: Arayikus
            Well, if this helps to cut you out, provocateurs without exception, then HI Hitler!

            Hahahaha. I am glad that you show your true nature. You cannot kill us, but you will lose your ears in the course of time, like Andranik.
            Do you really want to build a second such complex? Or have you already forgotten?



            Even the Kremlin knows your essence, and therefore they sell us weapons that will be used against you.
            1. Artmark
              Artmark 25 July 2012 00: 54
              +2
              and you showed your face ..and look what's scary .... where did your diplomat go? identity?
        2. General
          General 22 July 2012 14: 30
          -2
          Hitler was a bastard, but from now on, he’s a great man who broke into history, which can’t be said about Armenian politicians
      2. General
        General 22 July 2012 14: 29
        -4
        part of Armenia:? don’t know that Armenians are a great nation, you have nothing but a long nose)
        1. Charon
          Charon 22 July 2012 17: 36
          +7
          Wow, short-nosed, long-nosed. And what is even shorter than that of the Armenians?
          I’m not Armenian, I’m just curious.
          1. Artmark
            Artmark 25 July 2012 01: 09
            +1
            for that he has a long tongue ...
    6. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K 22 July 2012 21: 58
      +4
      Yeah, remind you how the Turks occupied Cyprus?
      The situation is one-on-one as with Adrazhiya.
  14. Magadan
    Magadan 21 July 2012 10: 42
    0
    Quote: ekebastus
    With the Chinese, there’s just no problem whatsoever, there aren’t as many of them as they actually pray

    I'm trying to explain to everyone! In fact, we have few Chinese, and those who are are wonderful guys! So no, everyone is stubbornly saying something about the Chinese threat. American propaganda, damn it, is not asleep.
    1. Goldpirat
      Goldpirat 21 July 2012 11: 19
      -1
      Ha, about propaganda - it's like from the opera "everyone thinks about others to the extent of their depravity"))))))))
      And as for the article, yes, I understand that you really want to believe in it, you want Georgia not to exist, that we would be destroyed, and everything like that, that's just your dreams and reality ....... . these are very different things :). For those who know and understand, and most importantly, for thinking people, such nonsense causes only a smile and a kind of nostalgia for the same propaganda in the days of the USSR. Who preserved the prints of the 70s - 80s. can compare the tone and style :)
      1. IGR
        IGR 21 July 2012 11: 55
        +2
        Investing in tourism is a good thing, and this may be the purpose of Adjara and the whole of Georgia. And all resorts are cosmopolitan in essence. It makes no difference to me who is cleaning the room or standing at the reception desk. The main quality of service - there is always an alternative. If you can offer a beach in Makhinjauri, Kobuleti (but not in a swamp) or skiing in Bakuriani or Gudauri - we will come to spend money on you. A good attitude towards the Georgian people cannot be corrupted by propaganda.
        Quote: kNow
        The biggest problem of Georgia, except for the territorial one, is the lack of money in the hands of the population ... And laziness.

        Do something yourself.
      2. esaul
        esaul 21 July 2012 12: 43
        +4
        Ha! Golden pirate, my dear, that's just you and is a confirmation of the words of a colleague
        Quote: Magadan
        American propaganda, damn it, is not asleep.

        Of all the variety of comments on the site relating to Georgia and Georgians, in my opinion, none of these words
        Quote: Goldpirat
        you want Georgia to not exist, to destroy us, and so on,

        Yes, there were comments about the fighting spirit and other "merits" of the Georgians, but such obviously cannibalistic words were not heard. It even surprises me and makes me proud of my compatriots. For all the hostility ("... that I can't eat directly ...") to all Saakashvili's antics and his groveling in front of the minke, the overwhelming majority of members of the forum in their comments manage to talk about Georgians as people NOT Mishiko's subjects.
        So, colleague, with regard to the "Georgian hatred" of the Russians, you have clearly gone overboard.
        Memories surfaced, spruce-burned ... A Georgian was in the hospital with me, my name had already been forgotten, sorry ... When they got around, we chatted, we made fun of them, we sang songs ... Oh!
        1. Goldpirat
          Goldpirat 21 July 2012 13: 30
          0
          Why didn't it sound? :) It also sounded like, here from the comments I learned that we are not people, that we are pigs, that we are freaks who have no place on earth and stuff like that, just such comments are deleted and only remain ....... ... "The magic smile of the Cheshire cat" smile
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 July 2012 14: 09
            +10
            Quote: Goldpirat
            It also sounded like, here from the comments I learned that we are not people, that we are pigs, that we are freaks who have no place on earth and stuff like that, just such comments are deleted and only ......... . "The magic smile of the Cheshire cat"

            You see yourself as people, and then the attitude towards you will be different, and ringing out through a computer to Russia is a feat. When tanks crushed children, they thought about how they would think about you.
            1. Goldpirat
              Goldpirat 21 July 2012 14: 18
              +1
              Fuuuuuuuuuuuu kaka laughing
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 July 2012 14: 47
                +1
                Quote: Goldpirat
                Fuuuuuuuuuuuu kaka

                Administration, delete this ................. Nothing but ethnic hatred, it does not cause! His response to comment is more than eloquent.
                1. Goldpirat
                  Goldpirat 21 July 2012 14: 55
                  +1
                  Aha, you’re also a teacher perhaps, that they offend you, that’s going to be fun. laughing
            2. Bozkurt
              Bozkurt 21 July 2012 17: 17
              -9
              It was a war, and no more cruel than it was in Chechnya. And here and there the question was about territorial integrity. And I think it’s superfluous to decide who was good and who was bad. In both cases, both Georgia and Russia regained their territorial integrity. Only now it’s not clear why the actions of someone are considered restoration of justice, and someone else is a crime.
              This is not a LYCEPHEMY !!!
              1. kush62
                kush62 22 July 2012 05: 14
                +1
                War is first declared, and not attacked sykly. If I knock you around the corner with a club? Will it be an honest fight. Or is it in the order of things for you?
        2. stroporez
          stroporez 26 July 2012 10: 29
          0
          Dyk, the most interesting thing is that, according to a centuries-old Georgian tradition, rodent whales will throw yak suckers on the Maidan. it was already like that))))))))))))))))))
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 July 2012 14: 06
        +9
        Quote: Goldpirat
        I want Georgia to not exist, that they would destroy us

        Your problem is that no one needs you!
        1. Goldpirat
          Goldpirat 21 July 2012 14: 13
          +4
          You know how many times I read such comments ............. that's just the point of writing them when articles on the topic of Georgia break all records in the number of comments to them and, not only here, but also on many others sites on the Internet .............
        2. stroporez
          stroporez 26 July 2012 10: 30
          0
          I support 1000%
    2. Khatabych
      Khatabych 21 July 2012 15: 05
      +2
      You don’t have it, but we have bought almost all of the big business, we don’t even have visa controls with hey heh Chinese from other provinces register there in heihe and drive in Kruzak in our city, as in our province we don’t need current documents ticket and that’s it. While there are relatively few of them, but every day more and more.
    3. HIGHLANDER
      HIGHLANDER 22 July 2012 04: 25
      +1
      Well, yes, the Chinese have not yet reached Magadan, cool however). let's in vladik, find, swag, good, there are fewer Russians here than Chinese. look who works - the Chinese, Russians are already quietly removing Russians from all areas. fields, construction sites, the hotel business, the market, freight is Chinese. you didn’t come across these wonderful guys while you’re lucky
  15. Stasi.
    Stasi. 21 July 2012 10: 56
    +11
    Sooner or later, the Turks would begin to implement their plans to revive the Ottoman Empire. In Ankara, the radicals have a fairly strong influence on the government and power structures. Some of the so-called Turkish "Gray Wolves" are worth something. Yes, and the Turkish intelligence service MIT is actively managing the entire Transcaucasia and the North Caucasus. The Turks seize Georgia quietly - first, under the guise of business, they master Adjara, and then they will take all of Georgia. Well, after that the turn of the rest of the Caucasian republics will come. Thus, the Turks are recouping for all the defeats of the past centuries suffered by the Russian army and navy. If Russia indifferently watches this whole process, then we will again have to fight the Turks, and the current Turkish army is far from the army of the time of Suvorov.
    1. sapulid
      sapulid 21 July 2012 11: 33
      -7
      Guard!!! Turks Kremlin restored! Damn, the bridgehead was captured in the heart of the Holy See! :) Give the People’s Militia !!! :)
      A. If, half of the Turkish business belongs to the Russians, does this bother you? Turk, yes.
      Phobias, a dangerous and double-edged weapon. Be careful, please.
    2. Bozkurt
      Bozkurt 21 July 2012 17: 21
      -6
      Stasi.

      Yes, you have some kind of phobia, the Turks capture, take revenge and all that. !!!
  16. party3AH
    party3AH 21 July 2012 11: 28
    +2
    Ankara’s investments look like a kind of sleeping pill for Tbilisi, which Mikhail Saakashvili swallows with a pretty expression on his face.
    Yes, Bear bastard long sawed his country is unlikely to yap at the owners.
  17. christophoros
    christophoros 21 July 2012 11: 31
    +5
    I can say that this is happening not only in Georgia, for many years, these are scenarios, unfolding in front of the Greeks in the north-eastern part of Greece. The bad thing is that the Greek government is not doing anything for this, although many say and understand that this is a big problem !!! there was an attempt to correct something in the 90s, when the Greeks from Russia left for Greece, they tried to settle them in these regions so that there was at least some balance.
  18. Geokingxnumx
    Geokingxnumx 21 July 2012 12: 31
    -3
    dear people
    this is propaganda ....
    author you were in ajaria
    so what 31% of the Muslim population? (I'm Christian)
    Georgia has always been a tolerant country;)
    Adzharia is often Tao-Klardzheti (Katori was Georgian, ethnic Georgians have been living there for 200 years, they have been clogging the tongue, but there is no tradition. As demanded MIT
    Quote: MIT
    Turkey has always been, is and will be treated WITH RESPECT to the territorial integrity of all states!
    But it will give to the teeth those who try to encroach on its territory!

    here we also respect the territorial integrity of all states!



    p.c.

    white bald
    1. esaul
      esaul 21 July 2012 13: 07
      0
      Geokingxnumx,

      I thought you were more sane, and you are the flesh of the flesh of your baton Mishiko. It's a pity...
      I wanted, in my hearts, to delete, but I decided - let it stay, especially since, captured in the photo with humanitarian aid, they shout right into your face - "We are stealing humanitarian aid! And your noble compatriots, disinterested and downright holy guys, are extremely busy saving people ...
      Left to see who is -

      "He was a patriot, but he was dibiloids"
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 21 July 2012 13: 13
        +5
        esaul
        Quote: esaul
        I thought you were more sane, and you are the flesh of the flesh of your baton Mishiko. It's a pity...

        well sorry
        I'm not a Mishiko :) I am an anti Mishist, I always tell the truth :)
    2. Alexey Pototsky
      Alexey Pototsky 21 July 2012 13: 13
      0
      Georgians are thieves and murderers. Eternal shame on you traitors ... sad
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 21 July 2012 13: 18
        -2
        Alexey Pototsky
        Quote: Alexey Pototsky

        Georgians are thieves and murderers. Eternal shame on you traitors ...

        if you knew Georgia and Georgians you would know that this is nonsense
        and who is maradiori and kill that we know who
        http://www.hrw.org/legacy/features/georgia/satellite/UNOSAT_Damage_Atlas_Tskhinv
        ali_Highres.pdf
        http://www.hrw.org/news/2008/08/27/georgia-satellite-images-show-destruction-eth
        nic-attacks
        http://www.hrw.org/legacy/features/georgia/satellite/UNOSAT_Damage_Atlas_Tskhinv
        ali_Lowres.pdf
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 July 2012 14: 12
          +7
          Geokingxnumx,
          Geogin, and did not try to find other sources, look, think what is true and what is not. Not for the site, just for yourself. If you don’t have a down, you will be able to tell who your brain is.
  19. timurpl
    timurpl 21 July 2012 13: 02
    +4
    Quote: Goldpirat
    you want Georgia to not exist, to destroy us,

    - Man, who told you this nonsense, Sahak or Putin?
    -You think in American cliches and quotes taken out of context! Ato we still don't like blacks here! ... :-)
  20. Goldpirat
    Goldpirat 21 July 2012 13: 15
    +1
    What else about the article I wanted to add, but as usual, I forgot ................. (This is for reference) Our stupid opposition, shouting about the same thing, they say, the guard is all hadi, plowed food- soon Georgia Khan, if we, the savior, do not come to power, well, stuff like that)))))))))))))))
  21. Alexey Pototsky
    Alexey Pototsky 21 July 2012 13: 16
    +1
    Georgia is a gathering of thieves and murderers ... sad
    1. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 21 July 2012 13: 23
      +1
      Alexey Pototsky

      Georgia is a gathering of thieves and murderers ...
      Quote: Alexey Pototsky
      Georgia is a gathering of thieves and murderers ...

      laughing photo class neighing
      imu kranti in october
      do not confuse Georgia Saakashvili
      I don’t put Putin to Russia or Mededev :)
      1. Saqartvelo
        Saqartvelo 21 July 2012 13: 51
        -8
        I repeat to the enemies our internal business does not need to be discussed, they only hide from this.
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 21 July 2012 13: 56
          -8
          the enemy is the government of Russia, they are Russian people
          1. Zhaman-Urus
            Zhaman-Urus 21 July 2012 14: 34
            +8
            As one Bulgarian pepper used to say, "Learn to speak Russian first"
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 July 2012 14: 14
          +6
          Quote: Saqartvelo

          I repeat to the enemies our internal business does not need to be discussed, they only hide from this

          Why did you visit the site of enemies? Do you want to get political asylum, but Georgia is a democratic country, so nothing shines for you laughing
          1. HIGHLANDER
            HIGHLANDER 22 July 2012 04: 35
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Do you want to get political asylum, but Georgia is a democratic country, so nothing shines for you

            I think that these citizens do not live in Georgia at all, but somewhere in the Moscow region or region. it’s just customary for some comrades to pour dirt into the bushes, they passed, we know)
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 21 July 2012 14: 56
          0
          George!
          You are certainly right, only Ilo is young, in this case does not understand !!))
    2. Bozkurt
      Bozkurt 21 July 2012 17: 35
      -6
      Alexey Pototsky

      Well, apparently you judge by yourself !!!
      You yourself are probably one ....
  22. Saqartvelo
    Saqartvelo 21 July 2012 13: 45
    -8
    The whole article is cheap propaganda and nothing else, we have excellent relations with Turkey, they have no claim to Adjara and, unlike Russia, do not take away territories, do not arrange ethnic cleansing and then shamelessly blame others on others, on the contrary they help us with weapons , they promote us to NATO and so on.
    I understand that in Russia this is irritating and the propagandists want to drive a wedge between the fraternal Georgian and Turkic people but not go out, it's just ridiculous to look at you :)
    Turkey is our strategic partner and ally.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 July 2012 14: 16
      +8
      You and America have excellent relations, only there are no freebies in the world, over the years a respected one will come to you, which I’m talking about!
    2. party3AH
      party3AH 21 July 2012 15: 00
      +3
      Quote: Saqartvelo
      , on the contrary, they help us with weapons, they promote us to NATO and so on.

      Help with weapons against whom? against Russia? and you yourself asked whether you need NATO?
      Quote: Saqartvelo
      Turkey is our strategic partner and ally.

      Well, of course, Saak’s head is puffed with gingerbread cookies, and they chopped off more than half of Adjara (read about investing), Mihuel will be dumped in his own country, and you will be left with nothing without friends, then you will look at strategic partners.
      1. Bozkurt
        Bozkurt 21 July 2012 17: 39
        -6
        Well, at least Turkey did not occupy the territory of Georgia.

        The territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not controlled by the Georgian government and are regarded by it, the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly and the European Commission [as parts of Georgia occupied by Russia.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 July 2012 04: 20
          +2
          Quote: BozKurt

          Well, at least Turkey did not occupy the territory of Georgia.

          The territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia are not controlled by the Georgian government and are regarded by it, the OSCE Parliamentary Assembly and the European Commission [as parts of Georgia occupied by Russia.
          The answer

          These are not territories, but independent states!
    3. HIGHLANDER
      HIGHLANDER 22 July 2012 04: 40
      +3
      Well, what kind of nonsense are you talking about, why do we need your Georgia, once again feed, drink and dress, invest in the economy, who benefits or who has nowhere to put money let them invest. you are not considered an enemy here until you take the M-16 and decide to shoot towards the Russian soldier, then the answer will be adequate.
    4. Charon
      Charon 22 July 2012 18: 50
      +6
      Turkey is our strategic partner and ally.

      Ento is correct. Turks adore Georgians. The whole story is evidence of this.
  23. in reserve
    in reserve 21 July 2012 13: 56
    +3
    Saqartvelo
    Then just join Turkey.
    1. MIT
      MIT 21 July 2012 21: 17
      -6
      We need a free and sovereign GEORGIA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      1. apro
        apro 22 July 2012 18: 11
        +3
        And how Russia needs
  24. Yarbay
    Yarbay 21 July 2012 14: 35
    0
    In general, the article is biased and far-fetched!
    It turns out that Russia handed out passports to Abkhazians in Abkhazia and Ossetians in Ossetia before 08.08.08 for the occupation of these territories ???
    What do Russia and countries of the world invest in other countries in order to join these territories in the future ??
    Why is it good when investing in other countries around the world when it is terrible in Georgia ???
    Delirium and insanity !!!
    1. Arayikus
      Arayikus 22 July 2012 09: 12
      0
      What is it, not a provocation? What does it mean “the occupation of these territories?” Has Russia occupied these territories? Is there a Russian site, or a Turkish one? Why are provocateurs truant here, like at home ???????
      1. Ataturk
        Ataturk 22 July 2012 12: 06
        -1
        Quote: Arayikus
        Is there a Russian site, or a Turkish one? Why are provocateurs skipping around like at home ???????


        Certainly not Armenian. You as a chameleon can disguise yourself. Even on the White House website, your fellow tribesmen feel at home.

        So do not arise here.

        Since when did you begin to love the Russians Armenians? One here writes in a personal insulting Russian and openly writes as if nothing had happened ... but this one is you, acting like we don’t know Armenians ....

        YES HITLER WAS NOT SO MUCH RUSSIAN, HOW MUCH YOU MADE.
        It’s worth KREMLIN to say that Karabakh should be returned to the LEGAL OWNERS, more precisely to AZERBAIJAN, Saakashvili will seem like an ANGEL in comparison with the Armenian authorities who immediately want to establish NATO and the American missile defense system ....

        Do not mislead anyone. YOU HAVE NOT BEEN IN THE CAUCASUS. NEVER!
        YOU ARE A MISSING PEOPLE. You only know that everything is stolen.

        SEE THIS VIDEO TAKEN OUT BY RUSSIAN AND AZERBAIJANI AND ARMENIAN SCIENTISTS. THIS IS THE HISTORY OF RUSSIA. THERE AND ABOUT your alien people, AND MY AZERBAIJANI, of course, and Russian. CAN YOU FIND AT THIS TRANSMISSION AT LEAST 1 ERROR? LOOK TO THE END AND BECAUSE IF YOU FIND AN ERROR, I WILL PERSONALLY LEAVE THIS SITE AS A Trickster. LOOK AND DO NOT ARISE !!! ALSO ME GREAT Armenia!)))))))) You can only deceive people and that's it !!!

        1. Arayikus
          Arayikus 22 July 2012 12: 55
          -3
          Ataturk,
          Since when have Russian scientists been working in the so-called Institute of Socio-Political Research "AZER-GLOBE"? Another Aliyev nonsense! NOT A SINGLE FOREIGN SOURCE. ALONE VINTOROGIES !!!
          The author of the project is Faud Akhundov
          Text-Faud Akhundov, Shegale Hasanov
          Selection of materials-Shegale Hasanova
          Text read by Fakhraddin Manafov
          Montage-Sahib Valiev
          The film was prepared with the support of the television production association Regon TV. BAKU, 2012



          show this bullshit at your school.

          Yes, I almost forgot. Here, in my opinion, is one of the authors of the film. Forumans will appreciate the historian. laughing
          1. Ataturk
            Ataturk 22 July 2012 13: 09
            0
            If you do not know, then Fuad Akhundov is a historian who works with other historians. Is that hard for you to understand? I told you that not only he is there.
            This is not Fuad Akhundov.


            This is the face of Fuad Akhundov. Remember, what you posted, I don’t know who.


            and this is a book, look carefully, in which Russian historians participated.



            And I also told you to find mistakes and not what you posted. You are Armenians, always evade answers. And when you have nothing to say, pretend I don’t know who, and change the subject.

            1. Arayikus
              Arayikus 22 July 2012 13: 25
              -7
              If you do not know, then Fuad Akhundov is a historian who works with other historians. Is that hard for you to understand? I told you that not only he is there.
              This is not Fuad Akhundov.
              Well, can you tell me apart? A video would not interest me if I hadn’t written about Russian scientists. And so, what kind of scientists can you have — only Aliyev’s zombies!

              Ataturk,
              By the way, and who on the video is very similar to the faud. Maybe his brother? laughing
              1. Ataturk
                Ataturk 22 July 2012 13: 31
                0
                Quote: Arayikus
                Ataturk,
                By the way, and who on the video is very similar to the faud. Maybe his brother?


                Believe me, I feel sorry for you. There is no way to conduct a cultural dialogue, to prove that it is like this or maybe not, you choose the way of mockery when you yourself are in a deplorable state.

                No, I don’t know who it is.

                Did you not believe that Russian historians are participating in this project? I'll tell you even more, the Armenians are participating in this project. There were few Armenians who say vileness in the womb of our mothers is born? You say Turks are scum and bad, and you yourself work and live in Turkey. Here is your not gratitude. And you are still clever here who is Akhundov’s brother. Hmm ...

                I feel sorry for you.





                By the way, your Armenians have already managed to threaten those Russian historians who reveal your lies. By the way, we are not surprised. You can do nothing but terror. And terror is the lot of cowards!
                1. Arayikus
                  Arayikus 22 July 2012 13: 34
                  -3
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  And terror is the lot of cowards!


                  That is why you invited Shamil Basayev, Raduyev, Khatab and the Afghan mujahideen to fight for you in Karabakh. smile
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 22 July 2012 13: 41
                    -3
                    Quote: Arayikus
                    Therefore, you invited Shamil Basayev, Raduyev, Khatab and Afghan mujahideen in Karabakh to fight for you.


                    Didn’t the mercenaries come to you? Only Armenians fought on your side? Don’t make me laugh. From Syria to Russia were on your side.

                    But Basayev both came and went. The difference is that there were many bandits in your side! And we are for our land.

                    1. Arayikus
                      Arayikus 22 July 2012 13: 45
                      -4
                      Quote: Ataturk
                      The difference is that there were many bandits in your side!

                      Yes, I'm sorry, Basayev was planting potatoes for the Azerbaijani army. How much do I know, he was an agronomist? But Khatab and Raduyev helped him keep records ... How many kilos and where. Faud Akhundov and historians do not write about this?
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 22 July 2012 14: 03
                        -3
                        Quote: Arayikus
                        Faud Akhundov and historians do not write about this?


                        No, he writes about accounting how many women Armenians in Turkey in the main enemy eat for the post of an ancient profession. Plus how many after use DEPORT after prolonged use. Anyway, new ones will come, so why stop at the old?

                        [media = [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = Hiutj8d93cY]]

                        Look at how much they like in Turkey that they are simply better prepared to die than leave the land of the Turks.



                        You better keep this record ... and we will think about our records, how many potatoes to plant and how much oil to sell and prosper, and most importantly to be REALLY INDEPENDENT and not FORPOST in slavery.


                      2. Arayikus
                        Arayikus 22 July 2012 14: 26
                        -4
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        No, he writes about accounting how many women Armenians in Turkey in the main enemy eat for the post of an ancient profession. Plus how many after use DEPORT after prolonged use. Anyway, new ones will come, so why stop at the old?

                        Why is the "Armenian" screaming in pure Azeri. Is this not one of them? [Media = http: //www.bravica.tv/ru/video_Ol60zyzGyNU.htm]
                      3. Arayikus
                        Arayikus 22 July 2012 14: 28
                        -6
                        [media = http: //www.bravica.tv/en/video_Ol60zyzGyNU.htm]
                      4. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 22 July 2012 16: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: Arayikus
                        For some reason, the "Armenian" screams in pure Azerbaijani.

                        Because Turkish is similar to Azerbaijani you did not know? And what should an Armenian shout in high in Turkey? Learned. Didn’t you really think that she would work there and still speak Armenian?))))))))))
                      5. with
                        with 22 July 2012 18: 16
                        -4
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        Didn’t you really think that she would work there and still speak Armenian?

                        According to your conclusions, we can assume that the whole of Leningradka is the women of Azerbaijan!)) bully
                      6. MIT
                        MIT 22 July 2012 19: 31
                        -3


                        with




                        I see you are working out your bread regularly, at the rate in rubles how many drams you get!
                        Enough for food if not throw some money out of pity for you!
                        I even have a name and you are without a clan and without a tribe so I don’t know how to dignify you after that!
                        So let's write the Armenian orphan!
                      7. Arayikus
                        Arayikus 22 July 2012 19: 43
                        -2
                        Quote: MIT
                        I see you are working out your bread regularly, at the rate in rubles how many drams you get!
                        Enough for food if not throw some money out of pity for you!
                        I even have a name and you are without a clan and without a tribe so I don’t know how to dignify you after that!
                        So let's write the Armenian orphan!

                        Finally, the Turk opened his face. He began to spray with poison. So behind the fence of Karabakh and troll further. smile
                      8. with
                        with 22 July 2012 21: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Arayikus
                        Finally, the Turk opened his face. He began to spray with poison.

                        So this "radish" did not hide it, by the way, as well as a couple of "generals" of this site !!!
                        They are quickly detected !!!))) bully
                      9. MIT
                        MIT 22 July 2012 21: 45
                        -5
                        haiks hired you as someone .....................?
                        I hear from carrots
                      10. with
                        with 23 July 2012 08: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: MIT
                        I hear from carrots

                        How do you want to conquer us, even if you don’t know our folklore of the 70s !!))) bully
                      11. with
                        with 22 July 2012 20: 31
                        -1
                        Quote: MIT
                        I see you are working out your bread regularly, at the rate in rubles how many drams you get!

                        You work out bread, moreover from Turkey !!!))) bully bully
                        As I understand it, hamsters can not cope, the curators went on the warpath !!)) bully
                        By the way, you can get out of here to the point of complete exhaustion of forces. me the title of this site to one place !!))) bully
                        Ah, how you do not like the truth !!))) bully bully bully
                      12. with
                        with 22 July 2012 18: 14
                        -2
                        Quote: Arayikus
                        Why is the "Armenian" screaming in pure Azeri. Is this not one of them?

                        So it is, only he is not an Azeri, he is a Turk, however there is no difference between them, such "brave" fights !!)) bully
                    2. Arayikus
                      Arayikus 22 July 2012 14: 01
                      -4
                      Ayaz Mutalibov: “If we speak clearly with Moscow, I think we will be able to win its favor on the Karabakh issue”

                      18.11.2008 16:05
                      “Russia is a big country and it certainly has its own interests. We need to talk to her, convince, and I think this will give its results. If Moscow and I will speak clearly, truthfully, without second thoughts, I think we will be able to win its favor on the Karabakh issue. ”

                      This was reported to the correspondent of 1news.az by the ex-president of Azerbaijan Ayaz Mutalibov.

                      “I highly appreciate the signed Moscow declaration between the presidents of Azerbaijan, Russia and Armenia. That is, Russia has shown that it does not want more confrontation in the South Caucasus. Russia now, as with the signing of the Bishkek Protocol in 1994, has assumed great responsibility for maintaining peace in the region. Judge for yourself, if there were no Bishkek protocol, we would not be able to implement our energy projects. Not a single company or firm would invest a cent in a country that is at war. I think the Moscow Declaration will also give impetus to the promotion of other energy projects with the participation of Azerbaijan, ”A. Mutalibov said.

                      Touching upon the question whether Russia’s help is possible in resolving the Karabakh problem, the ex-president noted that at one time Azerbaijan itself was to blame, that it pushed Russia away.

                      “For many years, we distanced ourselves from Russia, which we should not have done. We just shouldn't have teased her at the time. The Armenians took our place and they skillfully took advantage of Russian patronage.

                      I remember how in our time, with the help of Russians, we were able to clear about 30 villages around Ganja from the Armenians, which subsequently saved our ancient city from occupation. We were even close to the liberation of all Karabakh, but internal strife, disagreement, civil strife nullified our efforts. Therefore, I think that if we were able to convince them then, then I believe that we will be able to do it now, ”A. Mutalibov noted.

                      E.R.

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                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 22 July 2012 14: 18
                        -2
                        Quote: Arayikus
                        Ayaz Mutalibov: "


                        He is not an authority for me and for my people. I'm not going to read. Moreover, he is the past. And the present will already be different.
                      2. with
                        with 22 July 2012 21: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: Ataturk
                        He is not an authority for me and for my people.

                        Your credibility is money !!))) bully
                      3. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 22 July 2012 22: 15
                        -1
                        Quote: met
                        Your credibility is money !!))


                        Do you have cabbage? or tomatoes? aaa GAZPROM))))
                2. Arayikus
                  Arayikus 22 July 2012 13: 41
                  -3
                  Quote: Ataturk
                  I feel sorry for you.

                  Pity YOURSELF, I AM THE WINNER, AND YOU LOSED, WITHOUT LOOKING FOR HELP BASAEV !!! smile
                  1. Ataturk
                    Ataturk 22 July 2012 13: 59
                    -2
                    Quote: Arayikus
                    COMPLETE YOURSELF, I AM THE WINNER, AND YOU LOSED,


                    The fact that your women in Turkey moonlight as prostitutes while scolding yours, ranging from your husbands to the government that people are starving, that there are only bandits in power, you consider this a victory, then for God's sake.

                    If you are Armenians, every year you are less and less, you run like you fled to Russia, and soon there will be no Armenians in Armenia, is this a victory? That is for God's sake.

                    The victory is that your president, as a beggar with an outstretched hand, is going to milk for everything, is this your victory? That is for God's sake.

                    If your victory is that both Georgians and Turks and we and Chechens, all the people of the Caucasus, including Russians, hate you, then for God's sake.

                    If you consider slavery in Russia, a country that is practically non-existent and an FORPOST, a victory, even at a parade in a supposedly sovereign country, tanks are flying under a different flag, then I saw such a victory in my grave.

                    But the war did not end. At the beginning of the 20th century, you also almost did not reach Baku, and what happened? Show complex photo? So it is now. You talk about courage BUT you do not forget to say we are brave, but the CSTO will save us. The CSTO will not save you. As long as Russia needs you, you will behave so greyhound, but even an idiot knows that Russia will not be, you will be satisfied with the real genocide. You know this well. For this, scream all over the world to put pressure on us. Therefore, for 50 years you have become an FORPOST free of charge. Therefore, you have given everything to Russia. Help Basaev? How much did he serve there? YEAR? TWO? Do not you know? I will say a month !!! only a month !!!


                    THIS VICTORY GIVED TO YOU THAT YOU HAVE LOSED INDEPENDENCE. Though shame would be silent.
                    1. Arayikus
                      Arayikus 22 July 2012 14: 05
                      -3
                      Quote: Ataturk
                      The fact that your women in Turkey moonlight as prostitutes while scolding yours, ranging from your husbands to the government that people are starving, that there are only bandits in power, you consider this a victory, then for God's sake.

                      there’s nothing more to talk about with you!
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 22 July 2012 14: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Arayikus
                        there’s nothing more to talk about with you!


                        I hope !!!
                      2. MIT
                        MIT 22 July 2012 18: 03
                        -1
                        Arayikus [/ quote]



                        Stall Blink !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        You stink !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        Can hammer with one missile at Metsamor nuclear power plant immediately calm down,
                        Sorry for the 102nd base! Young guys serve there, their whole life is ahead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        But you do not mind
                        Thank God and Russia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      3. Arayikus
                        Arayikus 22 July 2012 20: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: MIT
                        Stall Blink !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        You stink !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        Can hammer with one missile at Metsamor nuclear power plant immediately calm down,
                        Sorry for the 102nd base! Young guys serve there, their whole life is ahead !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                        But you do not mind
                        Thank God and Russia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                        Only the disgusting brainless Oguz can threaten nuclear power plants and civilian liners. Therefore, the whole civilized world is in shock with you.
                      4. MIT
                        MIT 22 July 2012 19: 35
                        0
                        Arayikus
                        but talking with downs is not worth it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      5. with
                        with 22 July 2012 21: 14
                        0
                        Quote: MIT
                        and talking with downs is not worth it !!

                        And nobody talks to you !!!))) bully
                        They forced you to listen, they force you and they will force you, "witty" you are ours !!!))) bully
                    2. Arayikus
                      Arayikus 22 July 2012 14: 37
                      -2
                      Media: In India, a huge number of prostitutes from Azerbaijan

                      "The Indian media write about the huge number of" priestesses of love "with Azerbaijani passports," the article of the Azerbaijani newspaper Echo said. So, according to the Dnaindia news agency, the Indian city of Bangalore was flooded with prostitutes from Azerbaijan, Russia and Uzbekistan. Almost all of them came on tourist visas, and then for one reason or another remained. And they all suffer from the mafia and racketeering.

                      “For me, the information that India was called our country as a supplier of prostitutes in India came as a surprise,” the head of the Azerbaijani Women's Crisis Center Matanat Azizova commented on a recent Indian media report.

                      “The fact that our country was included in this list suggests that there are many women with the citizenship of our country. And this is very strange, because usually the place of deployment, so to speak, of women from Azerbaijan engaged in prostitution are Turkey, Greece, Cyprus, Dubai. A couple of years ago, there was a lot of noise when it turned out that Azerbaijani women work as prostitutes in Pakistan, ”she said.

                      The head of the Azerbaijan Women's Crisis Center noted that India is not a "tidbit" where you can easily and relatively safely engage in such work. “This is a country in which difficult conditions, little money and huge corruption. Most likely, women were forced to do this. I think that they were promised some kind of work, and then, as usual, they took away their passport and forced them into prostitution. Moreover, the media write that there is a mafia involved in racketeering. Moreover, the problem is that in India public organizations dealing with trafficking in persons are not developed, ”she said.

                      Answering the question “What to do in such a situation?”, M. Azizova said that the state should play a decisive role in eliminating this problem.

                      “In all international reports related to prostitution and human trafficking, Russia and Uzbekistan are featured. They are called the supplier countries of women for the sex industry. But here, what the Indian media writes about our country in the same context, speaks volumes. We have a special committee under the Ministry of Internal Affairs dealing with the problem of trafficking in human beings, we are investing a lot of money to solve this problem, and there are no results as such. Some public organizations will not be able to rescue women from slavery. And these victims themselves will not be able to get out of the current situation, ”said Azizova.

                      According to the head of the Women's Crisis Center, it’s time for Azerbaijanis to sound the alarm and save their women from traffickers.

                      Recall that the majority of Azerbaijani women victims of trafficking are engaged in prostitution in the United Arab Emirates, Turkey and Iran. However, many Azerbaijani prostitutes in these countries have voluntarily chosen this method of earning. At the same time, when they are deported to their homeland, they are trying in every possible way to get back. Mehriban Zeynalova, chairman of the Clean World public association, said earlier that Azerbaijani prostitutes change their names, destroy their passports, etc., after which they again try to go abroad.


                      and these probably are in India flooded with an excess of your petrodollars! laughing
                      1. Ataturk
                        Ataturk 22 July 2012 16: 47
                        -1
                        Quote: Arayikus
                        Media: In India, a huge number of prostitutes from Azerbaijan


                        The main thing is not in Armenia. And survive the rest. Somehow I do not want to have a stigma about spreading the legs of the enemy. So everything is ok.

                        and WHAT to India, they live so richly? Or did the Armenian media lack more intelligence?
                      2. MIT
                        MIT 22 July 2012 17: 36
                        -2
                        in quantitative terms (the criterion of political prostitutes) your country occupies a leading position in the world!

                        It's time to make a petition for entering the Guinness Book of Records!
                        I am against anyone, unanimously!
                      3. MIT
                        MIT 22 July 2012 18: 01
                        0
                        Arayikus

                        In quantitative terms (criterion of political prostitutes) you are the leader in the world! With which I personally congratulate you!

                        I’ll make a motion to enter the Guinness Book of Records !!!!!!!!!!!
                        No thanks, this is a prize winner.
                  2. MIT
                    MIT 22 July 2012 19: 34
                    0
                    [quote = Arayikus]


                    Chicks in the fall consider ...................... a nonsense !!!!!!!!!!!!
  25. Bozkurt
    Bozkurt 21 July 2012 14: 48
    -6
    You yourself are not tired of the fairy tales about the fact that after the "annexation" (and not capture) to the Russian Empire in Adjara, everything became so cool. Maybe it was better under the Ottoman Empire? Did you ask them themselves?
    It turns out that I am seizing everything with the goal of enslavement, only the Russian Empire set itself the goal of saving the dying peoples, including the Adjarian People. Do you guys at least believe all this. And yes, why should some people belong to the country that seized the territories belonging to it. You think only Saakashvili does not tolerate Russia, any Georgian sees his enemy in Russia. And at the expense of the article, this lies and slander. Article is a big minus -------
  26. Khatabych
    Khatabych 21 July 2012 15: 31
    +3
    There is also a political side to be seen, perhaps when there are plans for Adjara (but I think not now), and in which case it will be a kind of trump card if there is a difference in political views here and Adjara will need to have a 100% ally who will make since Ankara is needed, it is much more profitable than a small piece of land and a closed border (loss of a trading partner and political ally) and oil and gas pipelines from Azerbaijan in transit to Turkey through Georgia, and who will guarantee that the ventel is not blocked for short periods these are kasal losses, therefore I think that there will be no expansion and occupation at least for the next 50 years laughing
  27. synchrophasatron
    synchrophasatron 21 July 2012 16: 03
    +15


    Here you laughing have a nice weekend break
    1. kNow
      kNow 24 July 2012 08: 25
      +3
      Quote: synchrophasatron
       12 

      Here you have a pleasant weekend break


      I'm crying laughing Are you the last Right? laughing
    2. synchrophasatron
      synchrophasatron 23 October 2012 16: 42
      +1
      synchrophasatron,
      where is my video

  28. timurpl
    timurpl 21 July 2012 16: 29
    +3
    Synchrophasatron-Danke shёn! Neighing!
    - In short, comrade Georgians, let's drink hvanchkar together and laugh at the Americans ... because we are not enemies to you, and they are not friends to you!
  29. Goldpirat
    Goldpirat 21 July 2012 16: 48
    0
    They are not friends to us, you are right, but not enemies, they did not bomb us, our land was not taken away, and in the recent past, Russia just bombed us, hiding under false intentions. Here everyone sees that this was a lie ...... .. an obvious far-fetched lie, here propaganda does not go away from the part due to the fact that the country is very small, and why is propaganda needed when there is a war in the neighboring city, and here everything is audible and visible. So our countries, oh, how soon they will become friends thanks to you, and we are unnecessary to you ........... you have enough friends without us)))))))))))
  30. Lakkuchu
    Lakkuchu 21 July 2012 16: 48
    +8
    Passed in March through transit through Azerbaijan, Georgia to Turkey and back. The path passed through Adzharia. Of course you can’t see much from the car, but I saw something. The poverty of Georgia in comparison with Azerbaijan is striking, roads of much worse quality. Batumi has many new modern buildings, but it is closer to the sea, and most of the city is in poor condition. The villages that came across along the way are extinct, the houses are abandoned, groomed. Generally a sad sight. But at the Georgian customs everything is European - modern and convenient.
    1. sergo0000
      sergo0000 21 July 2012 19: 11
      +2
      Lakkuchu,
      Mishiko knows how to put dust in the eyes of the European Union and the State Department. Actually, there is nothing for the representatives of these offices to do beyond the big cities.
  31. UzRus
    UzRus 21 July 2012 16: 55
    +3
    In continuation of the topic of relations between Russia and Georgia, very interesting material - http://www.golos-ameriki.ru/content/russian-georgian-relations/1382646.html
    There is no need to play off the peoples, Saakashvili is not the whole of Georgia, and not everyone in Georgia thinks like him. Ordinary people have nothing to share among themselves. And by a handful of "bad people" one cannot judge all the people badly.
  32. MI-AS-72
    MI-AS-72 21 July 2012 17: 00
    +14
    Georgians are an ancient people. They know how to live, enjoy life. True, work is not included in this process, nor is the desire to die for their native land. To survive, they learned to like, but do not flatter yourself - they will never be grateful to anyone. Well, if they are not grateful to their fellow countryman Stalin, who gave them and Adzharia and Abkhazia, whose name helped almost every Georgian in Russia make a good career, then they will not be grateful to anyone. They love themselves and their country, and do not hate, like some Russians. They will never blame their homeland, though they will not rush for tanks under it. Objectively, today they see the pros in their position: they are legally sovereign, they have found a good new master in the face of the West, they say they have put Tbilisi in order. That's when they come for the calculation, they will certainly discard Saakashvili and choose someone else. Yes, let them do what they want. Of course, it is necessary to protect the relict people. We have “oppressed” them for 200 years and kept them, now the Europeans have come. God help them.
  33. valton
    valton 21 July 2012 19: 02
    0
    With the active assistance of the West, Adjara should legally depart Turkey. Let it be so.
    1. MIT
      MIT 21 July 2012 21: 19
      +2
      You minus sir !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  34. MIT
    MIT 21 July 2012 21: 37
    -1
    How Georgia has turned out like this for centuries, a Christian country, Armenia, too, and Azerbaijan professes Islam! Nevertheless, Azerbaijan and Georgia have strategic partners, and relations with Armenia are bad.
    Who is to blame Is Azerbaijan occupied the territory of Armenia?
    If any state occupies 20% of the territory of Russia, then here everything is on the forum
    1.Go to fight
    2. Either they let themselves go into the temple.
    in such a situation, what will you offer Azerbaijan to abandon its lands?
    Double standards of Russia are no different from the USA!
    I always said and my ancestors said that Russians and Turks should live together in friendship and harmony!
    No need to run into the Turks, the world is not the same and the times are different, the Turkic world will wake up .......................... !!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. MIT
      MIT 21 July 2012 22: 02
      0
      as for Iran, Azerbaijan is hosting the Eurovision Song Contest, you would see what hysteria Iran unleashed!
      And Azerbaijan, simply and intelligibly without hesitation, sent the Mullocrates to hell!
    2. Arayikus
      Arayikus 21 July 2012 22: 44
      0
      the old mugam about "20 pirasent and lemon refugee"! Whimper further, you are not capable of more.
      1. Bozkurt
        Bozkurt 21 July 2012 22: 55
        -3
        Arayikus
        Well, the main thing is that we do not die of hunger and do not go under anyone. And someone whines about 1915, like someone was doing bestiality !!!
        How interesting is the population left at the military base of the Russian Federation called Armenia, they didn’t immigrate from a good life ...
        And at the expense of abilities, I would not argue with you what they are specific, normal nations do not understand this, only vile herds are capable of this !!!
      2. MIT
        MIT 21 July 2012 23: 52
        0
        [
        Quote: Arayikus
        the old mugam about "20 pirasent and lemon refugee"! Whimper further, you are not capable of more.


        With you ................... Captain Zheglov says ,,,,,,,,,,,, you will get a hole from a donut instead of "miatsuma"
    3. Nikopol
      Nikopol 22 July 2012 16: 20
      +1
      if the Armenians remember a little history, they will understand who is on the first line in the list of their enemies. and the fact that the Turks and Russians should live in friendship - of course they should, who saved your 5th point from the Armenians and Greeks when you were literally erased from the face of the Earth. But thank Stalin (I hope he burns in hell) for his financial help, which saved Turkey.
  35. MIT
    MIT 21 July 2012 22: 54
    -1
    Quote: Arayikus
    old mugham about "20 pirasent and lemon refugee"! Whimper further, you can't do more






    if you are talking about yourself, then it’s self-critical. Congratulations. PSHEL YOU who are you? Come on, goodbye
    learn to write normally, I write in pure Russian, my advice to you can not write do not blather!
    Chiba write yourself do not respect go for a walk!
    1. Arayikus
      Arayikus 21 July 2012 23: 02
      0
      You perfectly understood, about whom I !!! Bizimdirchik Heydar oglu, you understand everything!

      mmmmm ... now you write the Russian language in capital letter? What are you all the same skins. Just disgusting hyenas!
      1. MIT
        MIT 21 July 2012 23: 12
        -2
        SELF-CRITICAL!
        BRAVO
        You always hid behind the backs of others !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA HA
        Kinordna remember, problems with the ears, do not forget!
      2. Bozkurt
        Bozkurt 21 July 2012 23: 15
        -2
        Arayikus
        I see you have excellent knowledge of the Azerbaijani language, correctly know the language of your master, we will arrive soon behind your asses. I wonder how you improved the ass licking procedure to your owners.
        I’ll personally check how you can !!!!
        1. Arayikus
          Arayikus 21 July 2012 23: 24
          0
          20 years ...... (continue to attach mugam to taste)
          1. Bozkurt
            Bozkurt 21 July 2012 23: 31
            -2
            Arayikus
            This is a photo of your armed forces that are suitable only to build themselves warriors in different forums and write letters to organizations as they offend you there ....
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 21 July 2012 23: 33
            +1
            Of course, I understand that Photoshop steers ... But do not underestimate THEM. It will turn into a lot of blood ... IMHO
            1. Bozkurt
              Bozkurt 21 July 2012 23: 56
              -2
              PSih2097
              Yes, turn around, but only for them !!!
  36. fgc56gfs
    fgc56gfs 21 July 2012 23: 28
    -7
    You will probably be surprised - but there is a site in which data about all the inhabitants of the beating USSR.
    Everything that the authorities carefully concealed is now known to everyone on this site ydn. * Ru / sngpoisk (copy the link without *)
    You drive a name, a surname - and it shows you everything that can beat
    (your relatives, friends, phone numbers, well, a lot)
    And most importantly, it is accessible to everyone, I was really scared at first - you never know what moron there will climb
    Well, the truth is that you can remove yourself from the site, there you just need to find yourself, go through registration and delete
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 21 July 2012 23: 36
      +2
      Kill up the wall, drink yadu, quarter, sit on the count, etc. spammer.
    2. kush62
      kush62 22 July 2012 05: 29
      0
      This dolben already climbed here with his site. Go to mmm ...
  37. PSih2097
    PSih2097 21 July 2012 23: 29
    +2
    I don’t know what Turkey thinks, but I won’t give Russia Adjara, or rather Batumi to Turkey ... otherwise I’ll have to sacrifice the Straits (Bosphorus) ...
    There will be a new Georgian SSR, as part of the new USSR ... IMHO
    1. Bozkurt
      Bozkurt 21 July 2012 23: 58
      -3
      And no one will ask the Russian Federation when it will do something, but don’t worry about Adjara, Turkey does not claim, it’s old-fashioned to seize other people's territories !!!
      1. smile
        smile 22 July 2012 00: 40
        +1
        Bozkurt
        Why are you so nervous? In Ossetia, they didn’t seem to have kicked your neck ... or were they for us? ... in Adjara the whole Georgian group thereafter. how she was blocked herself hit in the race racing, so. that yours there, even if you were, then you didn’t suffer .... you’re cursing with the Armenians ... well. swear on health, but what does Georgia have to do with it? As for whoever they ask or don’t ask, you simply confess to remind you. that it’s funny for you to be measured .... with us. The level is different. I do not believe that you do not realize this.
        By the way. from the people. preserved at one time. preserving its culture, increasing its number and gaining opportunities and resources for its development only thanks to Russia, less hitting would be expected .... Where thank you, .... ungrateful?
        1. Arayikus
          Arayikus 22 July 2012 00: 52
          0
          smile
          All these cries and cheap, spoiled comments addressed to Russia are just the result of a misunderstanding of reality. As the jackals did not try, but neither Russia nor Armenia should stay away from the processes that are taking place in Georgia. All this, early, or late, it will come to our side. We are all well aware of what the Turks are getting!

          And I’ll add, Georgia will still pray to God for the fact that the 102nd Russian base was in Armenia. But this will be a completely different story!
          1. smile
            smile 22 July 2012 01: 02
            0
            Arayikus
            You know. perhaps I agree .... With every word! The only thing - I do not understand. why here Azerbaijanis are cursing with Armenians. sometimes spitting in our direction (well. at least not all are normal, I think more), although it is about Georgia .... Miracles!
            I repeat - you can’t ruin the image of Turkey in any way. She has proven herself so well ..... Europe will not forget it for centuries .... it’s a pity some of your neighbors have a short memory .....
            1. Arayikus
              Arayikus 22 July 2012 01: 15
              0
              smile
              Turkey uses Azerbaijan's petrodollars by buying Georgia. Thus, it acquires a possible foothold and good opportunities right under the "belly" of Russia (and there is the Muslim North Caucasus). Thus, the Turks are killing two birds with one stone, blocking Armenia from Russia, and good positions near Russia .Azerbaijan is actually not so important to them (they will not go anywhere anyway, otherwise the Armenians will devour them without the Turks) Yes, Russia sometimes conducts a disgusting policy, yes, Russia sells weapons to Azeri, yes, in many respects one cannot agree with Russia , but one cannot be missed, it will turn into a tragedy - Russia cannot leave the Caucasus. For this, both Armenians and Georgians must do everything. They have a common enemy, the Turks. But as we can see, Georgia plays with its fate. And as a result, Russia will again have to pull out your spoiled Orthodox cubs, out of trouble, as has happened more than once in history!
              1. MIT
                MIT 22 July 2012 01: 33
                -2
                Arayikus (5) Today, 01:15 ↑ new
                smile
                Turkey uses Azerbaijan's petrodollars by buying Georgia. Thus, it acquires a possible foothold and good opportunities right under the "belly" of Russia (and there is the Muslim North Caucasus). Thus, the Turks are killing two birds with one stone, blocking Armenia from Russia, and good positions near Russia .Azerbaijan is actually not so important to them (they will not go anywhere anyway, otherwise the Armenians will devour them without the Turks) Yes, Russia sometimes conducts a disgusting policy, yes, Russia sells weapons to Azeri, yes, in many respects one cannot agree with Russia , but one cannot be missed, it will turn into a tragedy - Russia cannot leave the Caucasus. For this, both Armenians and Georgians must do everything. They have a common enemy, the Turks. But as we can see, Georgia plays with its fate. And as a result, Russia will again have to pull out your spoiled Orthodox cubs, out of trouble, as has happened more than once in history!







                We are fleeing from Syria ....................... ????????????????

                The world has not seen such two-faced unprincipled people like you ................

                tomorrow I will post your plan as you want to reject
                From Georgia - Javakheti
                From Russia - Kuban and Krasnodar Territory

                And let the Russians see someone warmed in their hearts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                The Russians do not know about the plan from sea to sea. and when they find out it will really be hippies !!!!!!!!!!!
                Well, the provocateur has nothing to cover !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                1. Arayikus
                  Arayikus 22 July 2012 01: 40
                  -3
                  Will you write at night, or has Massad already thrown it? laughing
                  1. Arayikus
                    Arayikus 22 July 2012 01: 50
                    0
                    MIT
                    By the way, you are right, there is such a plan. From the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea (including Nakhichevan). Thus, we will cut off Turkey, from our unsuccessful embryo called Azerbaijan LLC. Iran seems to be okay with it. But at the expense of the Krasnodar Territory Then I will say that the Armenians live there for more than 300 years. The fact that you, Azeris, poison the North Caucasian mindless youth against the Armenians and Cossacks, then this PLAN is just what we know. They drove out Russians, Armenians from all regions of the North Caucasus, stay Krasnodar. ROLL LIPS WITH TURKS TOGETHER laughing
                    1. MIT
                      MIT 22 July 2012 02: 03
                      -3
                      Tee, see how Tee buddy Frau Neutral went wild !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                    2. Ataturk
                      Ataturk 22 July 2012 03: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Arayikus
                      By the way, you are right, there is such a plan. From the Caspian Sea to the Black Sea (including Nakhichevan). Thus, we will cut Turkey off from our unsuccessful embryo called Azerbaijan LLC.


                      just as Andronicus did not see his right ear cut off with the dream of a great Hayastan from sea to sea, you will not see !!! Dreaming))))))))
                      Why are you not grateful to the Turkish haish when your tribesmen earn money there ... Well, answer proud tha?

                      Quote: Arayikus
                      They ousted Russians, Armenians from all regions of the North Caucasus, Krasnodar remained.


                      I bet if tomorrow the Russian president says that Karabakh should return to its rightful owners, or rather to Azerbaijan, I bet you want to say that the AMERICAN missile defense system will not be in Georgia but in Armenia.

                      So don’t teach me who you are. We know it well. Say the Turks are bad, the Turks are the Turks, but your tribesmen who earn money in the hundreds of thousands there will be torn to pieces.
            2. MIT
              MIT 22 July 2012 01: 24
              -1



              smile (3) Today, 01:02 ↑ new
              Arayikus
              You know. perhaps I agree .... With every word! The only thing - I do not understand. why here Azerbaijanis are cursing with Armenians. sometimes spitting in our direction (well. at least not all are normal, I think more), although it is about Georgia .... Miracles!
              I repeat - you can’t ruin the image of Turkey in any way. She has proven herself so well ..... Europe will not forget it for centuries .... it’s a pity some of your neighbors have a short memory .....





              and do not act as a lawyer ................................!
              1. Nikopol
                Nikopol 22 July 2012 16: 16
                0
                Oh my god, the image of Turkey. lol Laughed so laughed. How did they earn their image? By the fact that they slaughtered 1,5 million Armenians, almost 0,5 million Greeks - and it is not known how many Assyrians, Kurds and others during the time of your "super-duper" Ataturk. Either you consider yourself very smart, or others are very stupid.
          2. MIT
            MIT 22 July 2012 01: 29
            0
            Arayikus (5) Today, 00: 52 ↑
            smile
            All these cries and cheap, spoiled comments addressed to Russia are just the result of a misunderstanding of reality. As the jackals did not try, but neither Russia nor Armenia should stay away from the processes that are taking place in Georgia. All this, early, or late, it will come to our side. We are all well aware of what the Turks are getting!

            And I’ll add, Georgia will still pray to God for the fact that the 102nd Russian base was in Armenia. But this will be a completely different story!


            Let's finish your booth tired already!
        2. MIT
          MIT 22 July 2012 01: 27
          0
          Quote: smile
          BozKurt Why are you so nervous? In Ossetia, they didn’t seem to have kicked your neck ... or were they for us? ... in Adjara the whole Georgian group thereafter. how she was blocked herself hit in the race racing, so. that yours there, even if they were, they didn’t suffer .... you’re cursing with the Armenians ... well. swear on health, but what does Georgia have to do with it? As for whoever they ask or don’t ask, you simply confess to remind you. that it’s funny for you to be measured .... with us. The level is different. I don’t believe that you don’t realize it. By the way. from the people. preserved at one time. preserving its culture, increasing its number and gaining opportunities and resources for its development only thanks to Russia, less hitting would be expected .... Where thank you, .... ungrateful?

          You’re on the alert. Talk about yourself







          1. smile
            smile 22 July 2012 12: 43
            +2
            MIT
            Greetings. Well, what did you want to tell with your line? It’s not clear .... By the way. You have a very interesting nickname. I usually do not cling to such things. but didn’t bear it - did you really use the abbreviation used by someone’s intelligence as a nickname? Yes. I confused Adjara with Abkhazia in the top commentary - the typo is automatic. but why didn’t you jump on me for her? Strange ....
            1. MIT
              MIT 22 July 2012 17: 40
              -5
              Quote: smile
              Greetings. Well, what did you want to tell with your line? It’s not clear .... By the way. You have a very interesting nickname. I usually do not cling to such things. but didn’t bear it - did you really use the abbreviation used by someone’s intelligence as a nickname? Yes. I confused Adjara with Abkhazia in the top commentary - the typo is automatic. but why didn’t you jump on me for her? Strange ....


              What I wanted to tell in your own language, I told if something is not clear, then these are your problems and not mine.
              What nickname is mine, let it not bother you, unlike you, I do not use Anglo-Saxon words! where is your patriotism? As far as I know Russian is a rich language, there is no lack of words! and yet.
              1. smile
                smile 22 July 2012 19: 05
                +3
                MIT
                Come on. do not worry ... :)))))
                Because of the nickname, you can call me an Anglo-Saxon shpigun - I will not argue.
                I asked about the nick because. that really interested. Do not want to talk - okay. okay. I do not insist ..... suddenly this is a military secret ... :))))))
                And your comment is incomprehensible to me for only one reason - you quoted my entire text .... and added seven words - something like - yourself like that ... I would like to elaborate more - to explain. what is it still not me .... did I make myself clear?
                1. MIT
                  MIT 22 July 2012 19: 39
                  -5
                  smile
                  Come on. do not worry ... :)))))
                  Because of the nickname, you can call me an Anglo-Saxon shpigun - I will not argue.
                  I asked about the nick because. that really interested. Do not want to talk - okay. okay. I do not insist ..... suddenly this is a military secret ... :))))))
                  And your comment is incomprehensible to me for only one reason - you quoted my entire text .... and added seven words - something like - yourself like that ... I would like to elaborate more - to explain. what is it still not me .... did I make myself clear?

                  about steaming it is good you noticed, and so gathering yourself in the BATH, take a drink, drink beer and calm down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  PS, do not shuffle words like on cards I’ll not climb into my pocket for words !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  1. Arayikus
                    Arayikus 22 July 2012 19: 58
                    -2
                    Quote: MIT
                    PS, do not shuffle words like on cards I’ll not climb into my pocket for words !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    That's for sure. He dumped the forum with stupidity, then no where laughing
                    1. Roman Skomorokhov
                      Roman Skomorokhov 22 July 2012 20: 25
                      0
                      Dear ... You are quiet on the corners ...
                      1. smile
                        smile 22 July 2012 20: 39
                        -1
                        Banshee
                        Hello. Thanks for the answer - I tried to answer you in a personal. but your mail is clogged up there.
  38. segamegament
    segamegament 22 July 2012 00: 14
    +3
    I once bought one game. There was this ksiva inside. In accordance with the written only this filling text was suitable ...
  39. MIT
    MIT 22 July 2012 01: 59
    +1
    Dear forum friends!
    A few words from myself - here one fish sent a letter to the PM. and I caught this fish on the hook, its name is "neutral! in friends / Arayikus / find comrades in translation from Turkish into Russian. I will not comment on anything. Fundamentally !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


    Neutral Today, 13:12 | Letters from your brother
    Hepinize gonülden selamlar,
    Herşeyden evel kendimi tanıtayım, ben Istanbulda doğmuş ve halen Istanbulda yaşayan Türk oğlu Türk aydın bir ailenin evladıyım.
    Bir iki haftadan beri Rusolog bir arkadaşımın sayesinde bu site de yazılan, bazen çok ilginç bazen çok saçma tartışmalara şahid oluyorum.
    Ve duşünüp taşındım, nihayet keni görüşlerimi ilave etmeye karar verdim.
    Küçük yaşımdan beri komşularımızın bir kısmı Rum ve Ermenilerdi. Maalesef hepimizin nedenini bildiğimiz dolaylardan, onların çoğu 1960-1980 dönemlerinde memleketimizi terk ettiler.
    Bu site de Ermeniler söz konusu olduğundan biraz kendilerinden bahs etmeyi gerekli buluyorum. Arkadaşlık yaptığım tüm Ermeni asıllı vatandaşlar çok dürüst, sadık, çalışkan ve misafirperverdirler, ben onları yabancı olarak görmüyorum. Ne yazık ki ülkemizde çoğunluk sağlayan bir takım yobazlar, gayri müslimlere ve bilhassa Ermeni vatandaşlarımıza bu güne kadar, "gavur" ya da "Ermeni Dölü" diye hitab ediyorl
    Son senelere kadar, Ermeni sorunu nedir demek bile imkansızdı. Bir kaç seneden beri, medyaların gelişmesiyle, Ermeni katliamının tarihimizin yüz karartıcı bir sayfasi olduğu memleketimizin aydın kitlesi tarafindan kabul edilmiştir. Hatta ve hatta bu son günlerde halen Anadoluda yaşayan katliam döneminde ölüm tehdidiyle zorlan Müslümanlaştırılmış bir takım Ermeni vatandaşlar kimlik araştırmalarar balad Ben bu gelişmeleri çok pozitif olarak yorumluyorum ve umarım ki yakın bir süre içersinde hem biz hem de Ermeni vatandaşlarımız kompleksiz bir şekilde beraberce yaşayacağız.
    Osmanlı Imparatorluğu himayesinde yaşayan Ermeni vatandaşlar, bu ülkeye çok büyük katkıda bulundular. (sanat, müzik, mimariye, ticaret vs.)
    Neyse, ben tariçi değilim sıradan bir vatandaşım. Fakat Azeri dostlarımızın yazdıkları bazen çok saçma şeylere bir iki düzeltim getirmek istiyorum.
    Biz Orta Asyadan göç etmeden binlerce sene evel bu topraklarda, Asuriler, Ermeniler, Rumlar ve bir takım kaybolmuş toplumlar yaşıyorlardı.
    Azerilere gelince, ben onları Türk olarak değilde, Asya ve Kafkasyada yaşayan milyonlarca diğer Türk kökenli toplumlar gibi Türkofon olarak görüyorum. Onlar ne geçmişde ne de yakında hiç bir zaman bize birleşmediler ne de yakınlık gösterdiler. Iranda yaşayan Azeriler tamamen integre olmuşlar, Azerbaycanlılar ise her zaman Rusların sateliti olmuşlardır. Ne Osmanlı döneminde ne de Cumhuriyetimizin kurulduğunda kendileri bize yönelmediler.
    Zaten, kendilerinin de çok iyi bildiği gibi, o yüzden, Stalin, Karabağı ve Nahiçevanı onlara hediye etmiştir.
    Fakat 1990 senelerinde, Sovyetler Birliği dağılınca, petrolun kokusunu alan askeri ve politik yönetmenlerimiz, Karabağda yaşayan Ermeni toplumunu engel olarak görüp Azerilere yardımda bulunup kışkırtdı.
    Nitekim, her seferindeki gibi, petrolun kokusunu biz aldık, pazarlamasınıda başkalarına verdiler.
    Azeriler ise savaşı kaybettikten sonra, herzamanki gibi kıçları sıkışınca Türklerden ve Türkiyeden medet bekliyorlar. Sunu da ilave edeyim, son yirmi seneye kadar, yani Karabağ olaylarına kadar, Azeriler ülkemizde gündemde değildiler.
    Ne yazık ki bu son senelerde, yanlız Azerbaycandan çok sayıda gelen fahişelerin ve Sayın ALIYEV in Wikileaks deki itiraflarının sayesinde gündeme geldiler.
    Bu gun bu kadar.
    Hepinize, en iyi temennilerde bulunuyorum, bilhassa Azeri dostlarıma, aklınızı başınıza toplayın, saçma sapan şeyler yazıp rezil olmayın diyorum.

    SayIn dostlarIm,
    Tahminimden fazla sayıda kişiler yazdığım makaleyi okuyup yorumladılar. Görürorum ki genellikle Ermeni toplumu bize karşı çok tedirgin, bunu ben anlıyorum ve onlara hak veriyorum, çünki bizim devletimizin, eski ve yakın geçmişte yaptığı hataları halen kabul etmemesi, tarihimizin evlatlarımıza halen yanlış öğretilmesi, tabii ki halkların arasında olan ilişkileri dostluğa yöneltmez.
    Fakat bu son senelerde medyaların gelişmesiyle memleketimizde yaşayan bir takım aydın insanlar bu utanç taşını kaldırıp altını kazmaya başladılar. Ni tekim ki, zorla müslümanlaştırılmış ve kürtlere ya da alevilere asimile olmuş kökenllerinden şüphe eden vatandaşlar asıllarını aramaya başladılar ve çılılari atılılılılılılılılılılılılılılılılılılılari
    Umarım ki yakın bir süre içersinde memleketimizde diller açılacak ve ermeni tabusu serbestçe gundeme gelecek.
    Ne yazık ki bu ülkede doğru konuşanı sevmezler ve yaşatmazlar, hele ki Hrant Dink gibi ermeni olup da ermeni soykırımını savunursa. Fakat devletin alt yapısına kurban giden rahmetli Hrantın ölümüyle çok şeyler değişti.
    Su bizim ortak komsumuz azerilere gelince.
    Yazdiğım "Sayın" Aliyev kelimesini sakın yanlış anlamayın, o bir nevi alay etmektir.
    Dünyanın belli başlı on faşist diktatörlerinin içersinde yer alan, memleketini soyup dünyanın her tarafında milyonlarca parası ve mülkü olan, karısının estetik amelyatlarına yüz binlerce dolar harcayan, etrafindaki bir kaç aileyi milyoner edip halkını aç bırakan o şahısa ben nasıl cidden sayın diyebilirim.

    Sevgili Ermeni DostlarIm,
    24 Nisan 1915 den intibaren başlayan Ermeni soykırımını anarken bir üzücü haber daha aldık. Evet Bir Kurban Daha Verdiniz. Hepinize gönülden baş sağlığı diliyorum.
    Askerlik vazifesinde katledilen SEVAK'ın öldürülmesi bir tesadüf değildir.
    Bu bizim devletimizin kışkırtıcı politikasının sonuçlarından bir tanesidir.
    Ni tekim, biz aydın ve barışcı toplum, Taksim meydanında anma törenindeyken, bir takım Türk ve Azeri faşistler bize saldırma teşebüsünde bulundular.
    Maalesef bu tür olaylar bize, bizim o lanet yakın geçmişimizi hatırlatıyor, ve bu memlekette Ermeni olarak yaşamanın ne kadar zor olduğunu gösteriyor. Allah yardımcınız olsun.
    Selim Gunes
    I said that I will expose you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No offense
    100000 haystarbeiters of hikes are sitting in Turkey on the neck of the people and it remains to be seen how many around the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  40. Arayikus
    Arayikus 22 July 2012 02: 04
    -1
    MIT,
    Bah, how long is the letter yes !? What do they write, who wrote it yes? belay what
    On hardly here among the members of the forum you have friends smile
  41. Magadan
    Magadan 22 July 2012 07: 31
    +6
    Quote: MIT
    in such a situation, what will you offer Azerbaijan to abandon its lands?
    Double standards of Russia are no different from the USA!
    I always said and my ancestors said that Russians and Turks should live together in friendship and harmony!

    About friendship and consent, I am only for! But the wedge is already driven. The Americans did it.
    With all due respect to the Azerbaijanis, well, I can’t, Russian, shout to the Armenians to bring Karabakh back! I am just sure that without a war these peoples will sort it out somehow! A worthless story with Karabakh, I know, but we just don’t have enough brains what can be advised.
    I will say one thing - my friends are Armenians, they are not "Russified" there, they constantly travel to Armenia, speak Armenian, stick with their diaspora, etc. And we drank tea and Samvel then told Andranik about Karabakh. I answer you - I haven't heard a word of joy from them about all these matters about Karabakh. The main idea was that what the hell, we lived together, lived together, and here this war!
    I don’t know what to advise here and these are not double standards, but simply respect for someone else’s house, where we were not asked to go.
    1. MIT
      MIT 22 July 2012 19: 51
      -2
      Quote: Magadan
      shout to Armenians to bring back Karabakh



      why shout ............ From myself I will answer with a Russian proverb who came to us with a sword from the sword and will die!
      1. Arayikus
        Arayikus 22 July 2012 20: 01
        -2
        Quote: MIT
        why shout ............ From myself I will answer with a Russian proverb who came to us with a sword from the sword and will die!

        we know, we know ... by the same saying, yours and Karabakh lay in stacks. Like potatoes, they say there’s no place to put on the field. They all died from the sword. laughing
        1. Ataturk
          Ataturk 22 July 2012 21: 01
          -2
          Quote: Arayikus
          we know, we know ... by the same saying, yours and Karabakh lay in stacks. Like potatoes, they say there’s no place to put on the field. They all died from the sword.


          Oh, how are you right. Look. By the way, in the role of potato on the ground, this is your Arab !!! There was so much that even the operator had no where to put his legs, I had to walk on the Arab.

          1. Arayikus
            Arayikus 22 July 2012 21: 25
            -2
            Quote: Ataturk
            Oh, how are you right. Look. By the way, in the role of potato on the ground, this is your Arab !!! There was so much that even the operator had no where to put his legs, I had to walk on the Arab.



            Well, immoral, but you have to answer and put one of the videos from the archive.

            Ataturk,
            I HOPE THIS ROLLER TO MAKE YOU THINK AND DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF ON THE FORM OF AMORAL ROLLERS. I apologize to the FORUMAN that I had to answer the brainless monster!
            1. Ataturk
              Ataturk 22 July 2012 22: 10
              0
              Quote: Arayikus
              I HOPE THIS ROLLER TO MAKE YOU THINK AND DO NOT MAKE YOURSELF ON THE FORM OF AMORAL ROLLERS. I apologize to the FORUMAN that I had to answer the brainless monster!



              What are you building from yourself an angel? You don’t even want to scold you, because there is no such word to express who you are, didn’t you write a pancake about potatoes, comparing us, they supposedly died and the like, and how did they answer you, so you immediately began to mow a pancake under an angel? Not your words?

              Quote: Arayikus
              They lay in piles of Karabakh. Like potatoes, they say there’s no place to put on the field. Everyone died from the sword.


              Not your words? Why are you muddy now that you are an angel? Yes, even asking for a laconic apology? So do not think that you are smarter than everyone. You were punished once, do not force the story to repeat itself? Although you will answer for Karabakh in full, I guarantee it to you, and you are hiding in Russia and from there shouting that you are like that. So don't be smart.

              And yet me and my people, no one and nothing will convince who you are. You are the killer kid. So, I went on to pray to God that the Russian outpost would flourish.

    2. upasika1918
      upasika1918 11 August 2012 23: 41
      0
      You are right for all 100. When I hear something against the Armenians, I don’t think the truth or not. I just remember the face and name of the surgeon who took a chance and pulled me out of the clutches of a snub. Robert Gurgenovich Antonyan.
  42. Sorry
    Sorry 22 July 2012 07: 35
    +3
    I’m not tired of gnawing at this Georgian bone. Let them live as they get. It is here that they periodically incite anti-Georgian hysteria. Why is it dangerous for the Russian Federation? Who is scared? This is an independent state and with whom he wants and is friends. With what fright did Adjara come to Turkey? I want to ask the author, and when do we want to take Constantinople from the Turks? Another information mess. Surprised that the Europeans and Israelis go to resorts in Georgia, and when will they come to us? We ourselves do not go to our resorts, because they are more expensive and worse than overseas. This is what I see from the Georgians, things are not going badly in the economy.
    1. dmitrich
      dmitrich 22 July 2012 09: 35
      0
      dream with misha.
  43. dmitrich
    dmitrich 22 July 2012 09: 32
    +1
    it is not only waiting for Georgia, it is waiting for all the former where there are no Russian bases.
    1. Sorry
      Sorry 22 July 2012 11: 13
      +1
      And who is to blame for the fact that the Russian Federation abandoned everyone, but abandoned the Slavs in all these republics and still does not take measures to relocate them to the territory of Russia. It also betrayed the Serbs during the defeat of Yugoslavia. Who wants to be friends with such a neighbor? But there is no empty place and there is no vacuum in politics either. Let us behave normally, then they will reach out to us. We have no foreign policy, we’ve lost everything, but there’s no one to collect. It's a shame for the state, but so far this is reality.
      1. Nikopol
        Nikopol 22 July 2012 16: 09
        0
        The expression is very well chosen - there is no empty place. If Russia has roads between Abkhazia and South Ossetia (in whose territory more than one million dollars are now laundered), then what could be the claim against Georgia, which wanted to live well - albeit with the money of America and Co. If Russia were interested in friendly relations with Georgia, it would not allow the influx of American money into Georgia and Saakashvili’s rise to power.
  44. lado-6060
    lado-6060 22 July 2012 09: 46
    0
    article nonsense. I’ll explain on my fingers how I can. 180 mosques laughing one in Batumi and a couple high in the mountains. EVERYTHING. the rest where Azerbaijanis live compactly. after gaining independence, the Adjars massively returned ORTHODOX. almost all the youth are Orthodox. you know many examples when Muslims massively adopted Christianity wink .turks who come most ethnic Georgians. some of them baptize their children. da Erdogan ethnic. Georgian smile
    1. Imperialist
      Imperialist 22 July 2012 20: 26
      0
      Come quickly back to your Rodent!
  45. TAGIR
    TAGIR 22 July 2012 11: 50
    +2
    Better think about where our squadron of 11 ships disappeared. It would be time for her to show up at least in Gibraltar
  46. Lustrator
    Lustrator 22 July 2012 11: 52
    +2
    Quote: MIT
    We need a free and sovereign GEORGIA

    Sorry for the frank rudeness, but you can understand your phrase in two ways .
    Georgia Turkey was historically needed. But IMHO without Georgians, or, at least, without strong Georgians. Therefore, the latter figured and began to cooperate with the Orthodox Russian Empire ...
    Nothing to be ashamed of - just politics. The then Georgian elite understood what the Ottoman economy could turn into, choosing the lesser of evils. For what they now blaspheme Russia-I do not understand. Although even the old generation, who knows the relative truth, intimidated, can be convinced. The main thing is more special effects!

    Turkey today really has its own priorities, separate from the US and NATO. The democrating companions shot them weak, but they weren’t fools when they were in power in Turkey. The main thing now is to prevent a radical Islamization of the Turkish authorities. Then maybe the state’s policy will change, throwing thousands of its citizens on fire ...
  47. valokordin
    valokordin 22 July 2012 16: 02
    +1
    it is a pity that he did not join the controversy in time, God what have come with this treacherous democracy. As we lived together, no one would dare to blather against any people. And now our "friends" got everything they wanted from us. Shitcrats, your descendants will curse you. Remember how they gave away Adjara and how Mishiko kissed Lavrusha. Everyone is in shit, but you reason
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 26 July 2012 11: 09
      0
      I also dream about the union ........................
  48. Zhaman-Urus
    Zhaman-Urus 22 July 2012 17: 41
    +3
    Let me summarize: the Russian-Georgian srach smoothly moved to the Armenian-Azerbaijani, we are waiting for the Estonian legionnaires to slowly catch up and there will be a complete set.
  49. lado-6060
    lado-6060 22 July 2012 18: 21
    +6
    excellent article davitkartveli Where Tagil does not steer and does not steer Istanbul ...
    Two weeks in order to feel Adjara itself and, moreover, to share these feelings is, of course, not enough. For some reason, this region of Georgia for the majority is still associated only with the Black Sea coast. Mountain Adzharia with its difficult history, amazing people and the prospects of tourism development in my opinion is much more interesting and richer in discoveries. For a long time it was the Soviet border zone to Turkey, almost closed to visitors by newcomers.

    Until 2006, I was not in mountainous Adjara either, although with the feeling that living in Georgia you may not be free in your movements around it, I remember in connection with the other Akhaltsikhe region bordering the Adjara region. I remember how, in connection with the death of great-grandmother in Aspindza - a pass to a funeral near the village of Atskuri, a telegram was served at the border checkpoint located tens of kilometers from the Turkish border with an exact list of "invited" relatives. Today it is very difficult to believe in it, especially looking at the beach in Sarpi, it is not clear where and how it merges with Turkish territory. One way or another, I and my peers knew very little about Khulo, Shuakhevi and Keda. The maximum is that "wrong" Georgians live there, who were often disparagingly called "Tatars" in connection with their forced withdrawal to Islam about 300 years ago.

    The essence of "Adjarian Mohammedanism" - the former pioneers, Komsomol members and communists all the more did not think, busy with their hard work of transition from scientific communism to Orthodoxy. Engaged in their favorite business of sticking labels and stamps on all kinds of "others" - at the suggestion of the Russian imperials (18-20 centuries), it was easier for them to call their Ajarian compatriots "Tatars" than to try, if not practically, then at least theoretically, to familiarize themselves with their history preservation of Georgia and Georgia, their experience of survival under the yoke of "fellow Muslim brothers", so analogous and similar to the 200-year experience of preserving Georgia and Georgia under the thumb of Orthodox "brothers in faith".

    Otherwise, they would have been surprised by the reason why the "co-faithful" Turks cut off the head of Prince Selim Khimshiashvili. Or for some reason, Muslim Georgians near the village of Skhalta fired back at the Ottoman "co-religionists", protecting, among other things, the shrines of their Orthodox ancestors. Even a very superficial acquaintance with the history of the Adjarian region of the last 300 years makes it possible to draw an unambiguous conclusion: the Ajarians did not go to Islam due to the peaceful preaching of the Koran by the Ottoman imams, who suddenly convinced the Ajarian highlanders of the fallacy of their ancestors beating the Christian path. By the way, the path that was first started by the three Apostles of Christ - Andrew the First-Called, Simon the Canaanite and Matthias (Matata) - from Adjara, and then the same path and from the same starting point was repeated by the enlightener of Georgia, St. Equal to the Apostles Nino ..

    And second, even after the forcible conversion to Islam, the primary for these people was the preservation of Georgia and Georgia. The fight against the omanization of the region did not stop for a minute. The "Georgian trace" was also preserved at the level of religious rituals. Not a single Muslim Ajara did not stop growing grapes and meeting guests with Georgian wine. Or give up when baking mchadi corn bread. Or start building a house without marking a cross at the base. Having achieved the implantation of faith, the Ottomans could not in any way turn these Georgians into the future, either by force or by persuasion ...

    Comparing these two periods of the difficult historical path of different regions of Georgia - under the Ottoman and Orthodox "co-religion" yoke, you understand that the conquerors could not come to terms with the community of religion, they had to destroy Georgia as a state, and the Georgians - as a distinctive and ancient people. At least - much older than themselves and possessing a more "powerful gene". In neither case - they did not succeed. After the collapse of the USSR, the Turks-missionaries tried to "mark" the former vassal territory freed from Soviet influence, but this time in vain. Now our Turkish neighbors look at Georgia as a benevolent and equal neighbor, and at Georgians, including fellow believers, as GEORGIAN.

    I was interested in the condition of mosques in the mountainous Ajarian regions, the number of believers - I received a more or less accurate picture from the Muslim Georgians themselves: the younger generation, at the level of grandchildren and great-grandchildren, for the most part returned to the faith of their ancestors and were baptized in Orthodoxy. This happens voluntarily, without any violence from Christian clergy or family bans. Yesterday, by the way, the fast of Ramadan began, but less and less people are already observing it. Despite this, mosques in villages are kept in excellent order and their number is quite consistent with the needs of believers.

    For a long time I did not express my opinion about the hype associated with the possible construction of the Aziz mosque in Batumi. Not being familiar with the subject of controversy, as one of the options, he considered this project to be an answer to the deficit experienced by Muslim believers in Adjara. Having made sure that there is no ritual need for this, the same policy loomed up on the horizon, hiding behind religious issues. And now I can express my opinion too - the Aziza mosque in Adjara is not needed. Let more Turkish shops, restaurants or concert halls open here. There will be more good and less unhealthy excitement.

    But in the end I’ll write about where I started: there are a lot of Russian and Turkish tourists in Adjara. But they behave very dignified and respectful, as it should always have been - and two hundred and three hundred years ago. In the country - where neither Tagil nor Istanbul should steer. Well - if both of our neighbors come to the same conclusion.







    Comments
    1. Imperialist
      Imperialist 22 July 2012 20: 23
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      Come fast back to Rodent
      1. Nikopol
        Nikopol 22 July 2012 21: 05
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        Dear, you would first learn to write correctly, and then indicate to whom and where ...
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 22 July 2012 23: 56
      0
      Okay!
      Thanks for your post!
      Very interesting!
  50. nekromonger
    nekromonger 22 July 2012 19: 18
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    lado-6060, your comment is much more interesting than the article itself +