Military Review

The disaster of white Odessa

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Parts of the detachment of Lieutenant General N.E. Bredov and refugees awaiting evacuation to Romania near the river. Dniester


Smoot. 1920 year. 100 years ago, in January – February 1920, the Red Army defeated the General-Shilling Novorossiysk group and liberated Odessa. Odessa evacuation was another disaster for the white South of Russia.

Defeat of the New Russian Schilling


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RўR ° ± RєRoRј RѕR SЂR ° F · RѕRј, RґRѕR SЂRѕRІRѕR ± "† SЊS C <RЅRμ SЃRјRѕRіR" Ryo RѕSЂRіR ° RЅRoR · RѕRІR ° S,SЊ SЃRoR "SЊRЅRѕRіRѕ SЃRѕRїSЂRѕS,RoRІR" RμRЅRoSЏ PI RќRѕRІRѕSЂRѕSЃSЃRoR№SЃRєRѕR№ RѕR ± P "P ° сти. РќР ° РџСЂР ° РІРѕР ± ережье Р ± елы Рµ отступР° Р »Рё, Р ° есл Рё Рё РїС ‹С‚Р ° Р» РёСЃСЊ РіРґРµ-СР °Р °СР ° С S,SЊSЃSЏ, S,Rѕ RєSЂR ° SЃRЅS <Rμ Roes ... P "RμRіRєRѕ RѕR ± RѕRґRoR C ..." Ryo, RїRμSЂRμRїSЂR ° RІR "SЏR" C ‡ RoSЃSЊ RμSЂRμR · P "RЅRμRїSЂ RЅR ° RґSЂSѓRіRoS ‡ P ... SѓS ° SЃS,RєR ° C ... R ”РµРЅРёРєРёРЅС † С‹ отступР° Р »Рё РґР ° Р» СЊС € Рµ. Rљ SЏRЅRІR ° SЂSЋ RіRѕRґR 1920 ° C "SЂRѕRЅS, ... RїSЂRѕS RѕRґRoR" RїRѕ P "RoRЅRoRo R'RoSЂR · SѓR" â € P ° "P" RѕR "RoRЅSЃRєR ° SЏ â €" RќRoRєRѕRїRѕR "SЊ. R'RµR »РѕРіРІР ° СЂРґРµР№С † С‹ СЃРѕС ... СЂР ° РЅСЏР »Рё Р · Р ° СЃРѕР ± РѕР№ территории ХеЀРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРґР ±РРРРРРРРРРРРРРґРґРґРґРґРґРґРРРРРРРРРРТем временем РљСЂР ° СЃРЅР ° СЏ РђСЂРјРёСЏ РїСЂРѕРґРѕР »Р¶Р ° Р» Р ° РЅР ° ступление. RќR ° RџSЂR RІRѕR ° ± RμSЂRμR¶SЊRμ RњR ° F "RѕSЂRѕSЃSЃRoRo RїRμSЂRμRїSЂR RІRoR °" ° F SЃSЊ SѓR¶Rμ RІSЃSЏ 12 SЏ SЃRѕRІRμS,SЃRєR SЏ ° F ° SЂRјRoSЏ RњRμR¶RμRЅRoRЅRѕRІR °. РћС ‚ЧеркР° СЃСЃ Рё РљСЂРµРјРµРЅС З ЗѓРіР ° РїРѕРІРѕСЂР ° С З РёРІР ° Р» Р ° РЅР ° СЋРі Рё 14-СЏ советсР±РјР °Р °Р ° Р 10 СЏРЅРІР ° СЂСЏ 1920 РіРѕРґР ° РЅР ° Р ± Р ° Р · Рµ Р® жнного С „ронтР° Р ± С‹ Р »СЃРѕР · РґР ° РЅ Юго-Р — Р ° РїР ° РґРЅС‹ Р№ С „СЂРѕРЅС‚ РІРѕРґ РєРѕРјР ° РЅРґРѕРІР ° нием Р • РіРѕСЂРѕРІР °, РѕРЅ РґРѕР »Р¶РµРЅ Р ± С‹ Р »Р · Р ° верСРРРРРРСРРРРРРР ±Р ±РРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРЕР ... РІ РќРѕРІРѕСЂРѕСЃСЃРёРё.

РўС ‹Р» Р ° Сѓ Р ± елогвР° СЂРґРµР№С † ев РЅРµ Р ± С‹ Р »Рѕ. КрестьянскР° СЏ РІРѕР№РЅР ° Р ± СѓС € евР° Р »Р ° РІ РњР ° Р» РѕСЂРѕСЃСЃРёРё. RЎRμR "° F ± F C <F" Ryo RѕS ... RІR ° C ‡ RμRЅS <RїRѕRІSЃS,R ° RЅS ‡ RμSЃRєRoRј RґRІRoR¶RμRЅRoRμRј RІSЃRμS RІRoRґRѕRІ ... â € "RѕS, SЃR RјRѕRѕR ° ± RѕSЂRѕRЅS <Ryo RѕR ± C <‡ RЅS ‹С ... Р ± Р ° ндитов РґРѕ In the" РїРѕР "РёР‚РёС З РµСЃРєРёС ... В". P-RμR "RμR · RЅSѓSЋ RґRѕSЂRѕRіSѓ RђR" RμRєSЃR ° RЅRґSЂRѕRІSЃRє â € "RљSЂRoRІRѕR№ RѕRі â € P" P "RѕR" RoRЅSЃRєR ° SЏ RєRѕRЅS,SЂRѕR "RoSЂRѕRІR ° F" P ° F ° C ° SЂRјRoSЏ RњR ... RЅRѕ. РћС ‚РЈРјР ° РЅРё РґРѕ R • РєР ° териносл Р ° РІР ° действовР° Р »Рё Рстрды петлюрвв. Поэтому РЅРѕСЂРјР ° Р »СЊРЅРѕР№ СЃРІСЏР · Рё между РєРѕРјР ° РЅРґРѕРІР ° нием, С € тР° Р ± Р ° РјР‹ Рё РЃ Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± Р ± Р ±Р ± ОстР° тки С З Р ° стей Рё РїРѕРґСЂР ° Р · делений Р ± ел РсРіРІР ° СЂРґРµР№С † еодЃЅЃЅЅЅЅЅЅЅЅЅЅЅЅ СЊРєРёС… сотен Р ± РѕР№С † РѕРІ, С З Р ° сто РсР ± СЂРµРјРµРЅРµРЅРЅС ‹С ... семьями РёРРРРРПРРРРРРРРРРРПРРРРРПРРРРРРРПРРРРРРРРРРРР ° Р »Рё СЃР ° мостоятел СЊРЅРѕ, СЗ Р ° сто РґРІРёРіР ° Р »РёСЃСЊ РЅР ° СѓРіР ° Рґ, РїРѕРґС ‡ РёРЅСЏСЏР ±СЃРЃСЃР ±РЃСЃР ± Ryo РјРµС € Р ° СЏСЃСЊ СЃ толпР° РјРё Рё Рё РѕР ± РѕР · Р ° РјРё Р ± Рµ ¶RμRЅS † RμRІ.


ОдесскР° СЏ in the “крепость”


P 'SЃR "RѕR¶RoRІS € RμR№SЃSЏ RєR ° S,R ° SЃS,SЂRѕS" ‡ Roes RμSЃRєRѕR№ SЃRoS,SѓR ° C RoRo RіR † "° F RІRЅRѕRєRѕRјR ° RЅRґSѓSЋS RoR№ R'RЎR®R ‰ P" RμRЅRoRєRoRЅ РЅРµ СЃРѕР ± РёСЂР ° Р »СЃСЏ Р · Р ° С ‰ РёС ‰ Р ° ть Одессу. R'RsR »RµRµ RІРµСЂРЅС‹ Рј РєР ° Р · Р ° Р »РѕСЃСЊ стянуть Р ± оеспосоР± РЅС‹ Рµ С З Р ° сти Рє ХеоЃсЃЃ P ± C ‹P» Rs, RїСЂРё неоР± С ... одимости, РїСЂРѕСЂРІР ° ться РІ РљСЂС ‹Рј. РљСЂР ° СЃРЅР ° СЏ РђСЂРјРёСЏ тР° кже РЅРµ РјРѕРіР »Р ° СЃРѕР · РґР ° ть СЃРІР» РѕС € РЅРѕРіРѕ С · нуть РѕС ‚РіР» Р ° РІРЅС ‹С ... СЃРёР» противникР°. Поэтому СЃРЅР ° С ‡ Р ° Р »Р ° РЫРёР» Р »РёРЅРіСѓ РїРѕСстР° РИРёР» Рё РіР »Р ° РІРЅСѓСЋ Р · Р ° РґР ° С ЗЗ ѓ Њ Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Р Ђ Р Ђ. Поэтому РІРѕР№СЃРєР ° неоР± С ... РѕРґРёРјРѕ Р ± С ‹Р» Рѕ РІС ‹РІРѕРґРёС‚СЊ РЅР ° Р» РµРІС ‹Р№ Р ± еревКР° РљР ° РљР °Р ° Р °Р ° Р °Р ° Р °Р ° РљР ° РљР °Р ° РљР ° РљР ° Р °Р °Р ° РљР ° РљР ° Р °Р °Р ° РљР °Р ° РљР °Р ° РІР Ryo ХерсонР°.

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The disaster of white Odessa
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In mid-January 1920, the Red Army took Krivoy Rog and developed an offensive on Nikolaev. At the tip of the strike was the 41st Infantry Division and Kotov's cavalry brigade. Schilling, leaving Promtov’s corps defensive in the Kherson direction, began to pull together Bredov’s group in the Voznesensk region in order to organize a flank attack on the enemy. However, the Reds were ahead of Denikins, and they hit Promtov with all their might before the parts of Bredov managed to concentrate and counterattack. Promtov’s corps, bloodless in previous battles, was defeated due to an epidemic of typhus and mass desertion, and White’s defense was broken. The remnants of the white units fled beyond the Bug. By the end of January, the Red Army occupied Kherson and Nikolaev. The way to Odessa was free. The whites managed to evacuate most of the ships and ships there, from Nikolaev and Kherson, including those under repair and construction, but the last coal reserves of the Odessa port were used for this.

The Odessa disaster began. Ships from Sevastopol, where the white Black Sea Fleet was located, did not arrive on time. The naval command and the British were afraid of the fall of Crimea, so under various pretexts they delayed the release of the ships necessary for the possible evacuation of Sevastopol. In early January, the Reds went to the shores of the Sea of ​​Azov and part of the White Fleet’s ships, Vice Admiral Nenyukov sent to evacuate Mariupol and other ports. A squad of the Sea of ​​Azov was also formed under the command of the 2nd-rank captain Mashukov, which included icebreakers and gunboats. He supported ship fire and amphibious assault Sleshchev corps, which defended the passage to the Crimea. In addition, some of the ships of the white fleet cruised off the coast of the Caucasus, to intimidate Georgians and rebels. And the flagship cruiser Admiral Kornilov was sent to Novorossiysk on the eve of the fall of Odessa. All this says that in the headquarters of Denikin and in Sevastopol they were not aware of the seriousness of the situation in Odessa. There was no coal on the ships that stood in Odessa (coal delivery was late for the day). In addition, many ships, due to the sympathy of the sailors for the Bolsheviks, at the right time were out of order, with cars under repair.

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On February 4, General Schilling issued a belated evacuation order. There were not enough ships to evacuate. The British, however, sent the Ajax battleship and the Ceres cruiser, several transports, put up their guards in the port and began boarding the ships. But these ships and ships were not enough to organize a quick and large-scale evacuation. Events developed too quickly to organize the systematic export of people, huge military supplies, valuable goods and property of refugees. The preparation period White completely failed. Thus, the board of the military port under the command of Captain 1st Rank Dmitriev, based on the reassuring words of Schilling and the head of the garrison of Stessel, did not take the initiative and did not take preparatory measures for the evacuation. Private ships were not mobilized, and part of the ships left almost without people. Registered numerous naval officers, including personnel of the Nikolaev military port department evacuated to Odessa, were not involved in evacuation work. There was practically no traffic control in the port, only the British tried to do this. On the first day, still not believing in the threat, relatively few people went to the malls for loading onto ships. But already in the morning of February 6, when artillery fire was heard in Odessa, which was carried out by armored trains departing for the city, a panic began. Thousands of people crowded at the malls, waiting for loading.

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After this victory, the 12th Soviet Army turned against Petliura. Taking advantage of the struggle of the Red Army with Denikinites, the Petlyura detachments, which were almost not paid attention to, occupied a significant part of Little Russia and entered the Kiev province. Now the Petliurites were quickly hacked on their sides and they fled under the protection of the Poles. In this situation, the Makhnovists first collaborated with the Reds against the White Guards, pretending that there was no conflict. But then the Soviet command ordered Makhno to go with his troops to the Polish front. Naturally, the Old Man ignored this order and was declared "illegal". And again, the Makhnovists became enemies of the Reds, before the advance of the Wrangel troops.


РљРѕРјР ° РЅРґСѓСЋС ‰ РёР№ РіСЂСѓРїРїС ‹Р'РЎР®Р, СЂР ° СЃРІРѕР» РѕР¶РµРЅРЅС ‹С ... РЅР ° РџСЂР ° РІРѕР ±РРРРРРРРРРРРРРР ° РЅС ‚РќРёРєРѕР» Р ° Р№ РРјРёР »СЊРµРІРёС ‡ Р'редов
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 05: 18 New
    +2
    With proper organization and the will to resist
    and faith in the justice of their cause. Which was gone, if they were still, which is a big question.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 23 January 2020 05: 52 New
      -1
      According to the commander of the 14th Soviet the army in Odessa captured more than 3 thousand soldiers and officers,
      Soviet ... I quietly crawled under the table ... lol
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 06: 22 New
        0
        By and large Soviet. After all, the power was of the Soviets.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 10: 45 New
          -9
          The power was the Bolsheviks. The Soviets are a purely decorative organization with no real power. Another communist demagogy.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 10: 52 New
            +7
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Tips - a purely decorative organization
            No more decorative than the White movement pro-Russian.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 13: 17 New
              -7
              Judging by the composition of the top of the White movement, it was much more pro-Russian than the Red.
              1. Nagaibak
                Nagaibak 23 January 2020 21: 43 New
                +3
                AS Ivanov: "Judging by the composition of the top of the White movement, it was much more pro-Russian than the Red one."
                Yes, everything is somehow relative ... Miller, Kappel, Ungern, Wrangel, Diterichs, Wittenkopf, etc. They are of course brave Russian officers and more pro-Russian than the Bolsheviks.)))))
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 22: 08 New
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                  Did Wrangel speak the language of his old ancestors - the Danes? He has long and irrevocably russified. And there is less Danish blood in it than in German Lenin. What the ancestors of Lenin did, history hides. Wrangel's ancestors faithfully served Russia. Among them are polar explorers and heroes of the war of 1812.
                  1. Nagaibak
                    Nagaibak 25 January 2020 17: 49 New
                    +3
                    AS Ivanov: "Did Wrangel speak the language of his ancient ancestors - Danes?"
                    This is all garbage. You tell me about the Russian spirit among whites.))) I have illustrated about))). Such as you list Jewish surnames among the Reds, I listed German surnames among the Whites.))) Many Jews also did not speak other languages ​​except Russian.))) This is not an indicator at all.
          2. Looking for
            Looking for 23 January 2020 14: 13 New
            +6
            enough nonsense to flog. And as for demagogy, this is correct. It was not necessary to deal with demagogy but to shoot the White Guard bastard
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 14: 24 New
              -11
              Maybe it would be better to shoot the faithful Leninists? You look and the current situation in the country would not exist. Although Stalin shot these Leninists, he apparently didn’t finish it off.
              1. apro
                apro 23 January 2020 15: 35 New
                +4
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Maybe it would be better to shoot the faithful Leninists? You look and the current situation in the country would not be

                Would there be a country?
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 16: 08 New
                  -9
                  The country would not have gone anywhere. Denikin had a very good slogan: "For a single and indivisible"
                  It was the Bolsheviks who cut the country into national republics, and even with the right to exit (Yes, that same Leninist mine)
                  1. apro
                    apro 23 January 2020 16: 28 New
                    +6
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    The country would have not disappeared.

                    A very bold statement ... the Russians consistently destroyed the empire of Russia. Purposefully. The Russian bourgeois republic by thoughtless management. And you respected, claiming that by destroying the RSFSR you could create something more sustainable? Based on what? What social ideas? What economic basis? What national policy?
              2. vka
                vka 24 January 2020 06: 58 New
                -3
                Maybe it would be even better to shoot the faithful Stalinists with their foreheads, for sure there wasn’t such a situation in the country, or you’re dreaming of getting into the guard ...
      2. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 06: 37 New
        +7
        Airfield (Airfield)
        Soviet ... I quietly crawled under the table ...
        Well, what are you really? Well, the author sees this. What did you want from Samsonov?
        For example, I’m quite interested in something else:
        Colonel Stessel with garrison units
        does this Stessel have anything to do with Stessel-Portarturian?

        But in general:
        However, the Entente insisted on the defense of Odessa. Since the French occupation of Odessa, this city in the West has become a symbol of the entire white South of Russia, its loss, in the opinion of the Allied missions, completely undermined the prestige of the White Guards in Europe.
        natural end to the traitorous judas.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 23 January 2020 09: 57 New
          +5
          does this Stessel have anything to do with Stessel-Portarturian?

          a son.
          Shulgin about him:
          At a critical moment, from the twenty-five-thousandth "coffee army", which was hustling along all the "dens of the city", and from all the parts of the newly formed and old ones that had been beaten to Odessa ... - at the disposal of Colonel Stessel, "chief of defense", there were three hundred people, counting with us .
          After a long, painful time, a message came from the headquarters that if we weren’t taken by steamers before ten o’clock in the evening, we would leave the city in the direction of Romania. However, it became known that Colonel Stessel personally was repeatedly invited to board the ship, to which he replied: “What, you think me a scoundrel?” This made a good impression.
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 23 January 2020 09: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Aerodrome
        Soviet ... I quietly crawled under the table.

        And how do you understand what is Soviet? Whose is this?

        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 17: 04 New
          -12
          I have a three-letter word written on my shed, but there - there is firewood. Anything can be declared. In fact: neither you power the people, nor you land the peasantry, nor you factories for the workers. All these enticements, which, in fact, the people fell for, in fact turned out to be fiction. Even "peace to the peoples": leaving the First World War, the country was plunged into the shameful Civil.
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        3. HOLMS_2000
          HOLMS_2000 25 January 2020 13: 05 New
          0
          The Red Army was then.
    2. Finches
      Finches 23 January 2020 06: 30 New
      10
      The vaunted White Guard movement completely lay beneath the Entente! Question - whose interests did it represent and defend? Russia? Russian people? So the Russian people and figured out who to support ... And then, of course, the civil war is a terrible thing - the border does not even pass through a political worldview, we all are with each other, than we do not always agree, but in our hearts! Through the hearts of people, forever making the implacable enemies of brothers, sons and fathers! And how many people simply died for no reason ... Without understanding - all the power to the Soviets, or for the tsar’s father, or for the liberal-bourgeois reforms of the Provisional Government?
      And after all, a good lesson was taught to the gentlemen - Abroad will help us! Yeah! Now! They threw the children, taking advantage of ... So no, in the 90s, and now there are not a few people who sacredly believe that all sorts of Rothschilds will give their last shirt for the prosperity of Russia laughing
      1. Alexander Suvorov
        Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 08: 38 New
        14
        Zyablitsev (Eugene)
        The vaunted White Guard movement completely lay beneath the Entente! Question - whose interests did it represent and defend? Russia? Russian people? So the Russian people figured out who to support ...
        Eugene hi ! You just don't tell Olgovich about this, otherwise he will have another loyal seizure. He is here trying to convince everyone (albeit unsuccessfully) that all whites fought exclusively "for a single and indivisible". True, at the same time, he completely forgets to mention the agreement on the division of Russia between the Entente countries. Forgets to tell how Krasnov tried to split off the lands of the Great Don Army and lie under the German protectorate. How Ukraine was split off and how the Ukrainian parliament was the first to sign a separate peace with Germany. Yes, a lot of things are forgotten by our home-grown crystal bakers.
        I’m always struck by their perverted brain, if they have one at all. How they at the same time coexist with love for the bloody tsar, the lackey and people who overthrew him. This refers to the white generality. Paradox.
      2. Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o
        Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o 23 January 2020 08: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        Yeah! Now! Threw the kids, taking advantage ...

        And the second used almost 70 years. Having formed as an elite estate, they also threw it, consolidating their own acquisitions in the capitalist, of course, constitution.
        The blood of civil war went into the sand.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 10: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o
          Formed as an elite estate - also thrown
          Degenerate, do not confuse please., Something like the Russian nobility by 1917
          1. Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o
            Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o 23 January 2020 12: 33 New
            +3
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Have degenerated

            I suspect that they were not really "born" in part. The winning civic idea could not be in tune with the personal convictions of all, without exception, the individuals who received power then. For some, even at that time it was pure populism, used as a means of achieving their own goals.
      3. Dmitry Igorevich
        Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 09: 37 New
        -16
        Quote: Finches
        Question - whose interests did it represent and defend?

        These were Russians. And they defended the interests of the Russians.
        Quote: Finches
        So the Russian people figured out who to support ...

        "Russian people" is as funny an expression as "sweet salt".
        The Russian people do not exist in principle. That term is now slyly called by the Soviet people (Soviet).
        Russians (real) are representatives of the Russian NATION.
        By the beginning of WW2, only small traces of the Bolsheviks were left in the USSR by the "efforts" of the Bolsheviks. This can be clearly seen in the course of WW2. And now there are very few Russians in Russia.
        In the same way, the Soviets were once again deceived by the Bolsheviks-communists, having entered in the passports of the Great Russians "nationality - Russian". Those. in the USSR, the Great Russians were simply renamed into Russians. And the real Russians, who were expelled abroad, and who were slaughtered.
        1. Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o
          Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o 23 January 2020 09: 53 New
          +7
          Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
          Now there are very few Russians in Russia

          How many?
          Or are you blah blah blah just?

          Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
          real Russians whom they drove abroad, and whom they slaughtered

          Who do you mean by your "real Russian"?
          Zhukov (victory marshal), let's say, the real one?
          1. Dmitry Igorevich
            Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 13: 46 New
            -9
            Quote: Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o
            How many?

            Few.
            Quote: Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o
            Zhukov (victory marshal), let's say, the real one?

            Of course not. Zhukov was a Bolshevik. And the Bolsheviks, they are Russophobes.
            1. Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o
              Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o 23 January 2020 23: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
              Of course not. Zhukov was a Bolshevik. And the Bolsheviks, they are Russophobes

              Writing into Russophobia whomever comes into your head, you blur the boundaries of the concept of Russophobia. If a concentrated negative phenomenon causes a strong rejection, then a phenomenon whose boundaries are blurred does not meet with such strong opposition, because it is no longer perceived with due sharpness. Obviously, by mitigating the response to Russophobia, you contribute to its spread. Thus, it becomes clear to us that you are Russophobe and advocate here for the dissemination of Russophobic ideas.
        2. apro
          apro 23 January 2020 15: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
          These were Russians. And they defended the interests of the Russians.

          And what are the interests of the Russians? For more details please ...
      4. Olgovich
        Olgovich 23 January 2020 09: 40 New
        -13
        Quote: Finches
        The vaunted White Guard movement completely lay beneath the Entente! Question - whose interests did it represent and defend? Russia? Russian people?

        Hello, Eugene! hi
        This is not a "movement", but Official Russian Army of the Russian State.
        Represented, respectively, the interests of RUSSIA and the Russian people.
        Protected Russian Odessa and the rest of Russia from the Bolshevik invaders, tore up her apart and raped Russian cities in the never-existed so-called. "ussry", kssry "and others. ry, renamed the Russian Nikolaevs unknown ...Mykolaiv fool , Elisavetgrad in ...Again (ugh, what an abomination!) and other nonsense.

        My grandmother was born and studied in RUSSIAN Odessa, in a Russian school, where they were taught to love their homeland -Russia and its southern Palmyra, the southern capital of Russia, Odessa, and not stupid Ukraine, as they did Bolshevik invaders.

        Which destroyed in Odessa, Russian monuments to Russian heroes, burned Russian books, erected monuments to the alcoholic-pedophile-dumbass Shevchenko (he had never been to Odessa) and other animals, etched the memory of Russian Odessa, forced hundreds of thousands of Russian people to teach in Odessa .... mov (expelled from work without knowledge), the so-called UKRISTORY, etc.

        The massacre of the Russian people, organized by the joint efforts of the Bolsheviks and Romanians, did not end: Odessa, after the occupation by the Bolsheviks, was horrified by the reprisals that continued for a long time.

        This is an eyewitness account.
        Quote: Finches
        So the Russian people figured out who to support.

        Understood, yes: he is completely failed Bolsheviks in the popular elections.
        And in gr. people took part in the war 10 times lessthan in the election.

        There were no more elections in the country: their Bolsheviks were afraid of ANIMAL fear!

        By the way, maybe at least you will answer me (no one can): WHY the tens of millions of people who have chosen to the election is NOT a Bolshevik power, should have agreed with the power and fraudulent seizure by this minority of power?
        1. Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o
          Ge⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣o 23 January 2020 10: 01 New
          +8
          Quote: Olgovich
          official Russian army

          Official - how? According to documents, like? But in practice?

          Quote: Olgovich
          Russian state

          The state’s army, whatever one may say, is only a military force supported by the majority of the population. Relying on foreign support more than domestic support, one cannot be called an army of the state. This is the alphabet
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 10: 24 New
          +5
          The next nonsense of Olgych
          Quote: Olgovich
          and the official Russian army of the Russian State
          the successor of the Russian Imperial Army, not otherwise, only who made that emperor, that forced to abdicate, not really the Bolsheviks?
          Chief of Staff Headquarters General M.V. Alekseev and the commanders of the fronts of the regiment did not send him to help. Meanwhile, Alekseev sent telegrams to all the commanders of the fronts and fleets with a proposal to speak in favor or against the abdication of the tsar in favor of the heir during the regency of Grand Duke Mikhail Alexandrovich. Almost all of them, except one, supported renunciation. Arriving in Pskov, the king learned that the army had turned his back on him.
          Exactly, the Bolsheviks, sickle and hammer there’s nowhere to put samples!
          1. solzh
            solzh 23 January 2020 10: 37 New
            +7
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            The next nonsense of Olgych

            good hi
            Regarding the article, I want to note the following:
            Even the collected conscripts, having received weapons and uniforms, immediately tried to escape

            No one wanted to fight, let alone die for the old order and the incomprehensible white idea.
            On paper, many volunteer units were created, which in reality could number several people, or even were the figment of the imagination of some commander.

            White generally lived in some kind of understandable illusion.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 10: 49 New
              -6
              What "old order" was the White movement fighting for? The restoration of the monarchy was not their goal. They fought against the usurpation of power by one party, which was right.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 10: 57 New
                +6
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                For what "old order" the White movement fought

                Strictly for driving "" into the stall, fortunately there were many times more "cattle", so the "white knights" did not manage to "hang up later".
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 11: 24 New
                  -4
                  Another soviet tales. There were no more nobles among the White movement than in the Red Army. The backbone of the White Guards was made up of the same workers and peasants.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 11: 29 New
                    +1
                    Well, not all nobles were moral ugly freaks, someone really supported the people and even fought, Lenin and Dzerzhinsky, for example.
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    The backbone of the White Guards was made up of the same workers and peasants.
                    This is not even a fairy tale, some kind of nonsense.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 11: 37 New
                      -1
                      Nobles in the Republic of Ingushetia were only 1,5%, including personal noblemen. Merchants and clergy - this is another 3%. So you want to say that such an insignificant number of the population fought against the Red Army?
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 11: 42 New
                        +2
                        Cossacks, police, fists (yes, fists) are not exactly nobles, they were still forcibly mobilized, for example. Oh interventionists, Czechs, Poles, too, are not nobles, that's bad luck.
                      2. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 11: 51 New
                        -6
                        The fist is a peasant. Moreover, working, able to manage the economy. And what do you have against the Cossacks? Not present, mummers, but present. Not only farmers, but also service people. Police? Need not? That is, there was no crime in the Russian Empire? Thieves, murderers didn’t exist, did some revolutionaries ride the country? So the gendarmes were engaged in revolutionaries, but there were not many of them - only 16 thousand for the whole vast country. And yes, there were enough people who had something to lose. The same doctors, engineers, scientists - whom the Bolsheviks robbed and destroyed along with tsarist officials and entrepreneurs.
                      3. Alexander Suvorov
                        Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 12: 06 New
                        +7
                        AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                        The fist is a peasant. Moreover, working, able to manage the economy.
                        Well, a full set of stamps "Ogonyok" of the 90s. I'm talking about the brains of the bakers and their own thinking is completely absent. Only throw agitation. The fist is a fiend for ordinary peasants. It was the kulaks who tore three skins from a simple peasant.
                      4. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 12: 19 New
                        -10
                        For a peasant sitting on a stove, any hardworking person is a fiend. Z - envy. And strong peasant farms produced about 70% of agricultural products. And if the "simple" (and simple means "primitive", "narrow-minded") owner could not cope with the economy, then yes - he was forced to bow to the strong owner, and on his terms, which is quite fair.
                        In addition to the lights, which I did not read, by the way, there are tons of archival materials and eyewitness accounts, in which everything is far from the way Soviet propaganda painted it for us. Well, yes: the winner writes the story, and as far as brain pollution is concerned, Soviet propaganda was ahead of the rest.
                      5. Alexander Suvorov
                        Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 12: 52 New
                        +2
                        AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                        For a peasant sitting on a stove, any hardworking person is a fiend of hell.
                        And have you seen many peasants "sitting on the stove"? Have you ever been to the village? The peasant sitting on the stove could be born only in your sick mind. It is immediately clear that you cannot imagine village life. Even today the work of peasants is getting up at 4-5 in the morning and working until late in the evening with a short break in the afternoon. Otherwise, the peasant and his family will die of hunger.
                        If you could drive all the bakers to work in the village for at least a month, maybe even then the white-bellied ghouls will get to you what hard peasant labor is.
                      6. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 12: 57 New
                        -10
                        I just grew up in a village. And now nothing has changed: one fermenting vodka and aching that they hadn’t got enough of it, the other is spinning, plowing and living quite worthily. And give free rein to the first, he will plunder the property of the second with pleasure. There you go, poor man, and here’s your fist.
                      7. Alexander Suvorov
                        Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 13: 02 New
                        +4
                        AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
                        I just grew up in a village.
                        Do not lie, you haven’t seen the village at all, just write such nonsense.
                        And now nothing has changed: one fermenting vodka and aching that they hadn’t got enough of it, the other is spinning, plowing and living quite worthily.
                        Although, in the Russian outback it may be, it is rare in our Don. Basically, all plow, no time to drink.
                      8. AU Ivanov.
                        AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 13: 08 New
                        -5
                        Hello. It is everywhere, and not only in the village. And in the village - one keeps the farm, some farms, some shabbat: he builds houses, digs wells, manages his own truck. And someone eats vodka, steals and begs. It seems that it was a hundred years ago.
                  2. solzh
                    solzh 23 January 2020 15: 47 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    If you could drive all the bakers to work in the village for at least a month, maybe even then the white-bellied ghouls will get to you what hard peasant labor is.

                    Will not help. They will again blame the Bolsheviks, but already that the Bolsheviks are to blame for the fact that the peasant has to work ... laughing
                  3. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 15: 53 New
                    +5
                    solzh (Sergey)
                    Will not help. They will again blame the Bolsheviks, but already that the Bolsheviks are to blame for the fact that the peasant has to work ...
                    Yeah, the guys are clearly not burdened with intelligence.
                    Here, below one individual, someone under the nickname "Dmitry Igorevich", in his frenzied Russophobia, has already sunk to the point of justifying the Vlasovites.
                    I always knew, scratch the anti-Soviet, you will find a fascist-Russophobe!
                  4. solzh
                    solzh 23 January 2020 15: 56 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                    Dmitry Igorevich

                    He looks like a troll. I did not even answer him. I noticed in the last two or three days, comments from trolls have become very frequent. Apparently something happened. Or maybe they sensed spring laughing
                  5. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 16: 04 New
                    +2
                    solzh (Sergey) I noticed in the last two or three days, comments from trolls became very frequent.
                    I turned it over, the number of one-day trips has recently gone through the roof. And judging by the handwriting, this is one and the same group of trolls.
                    Registration, 1-3 days, 10-50 comments, rating in strong minuses and an eternal ban. After some time, this same disadvantage, but under a different nickname and with the same result.
                  6. solzh
                    solzh 23 January 2020 16: 09 New
                    +2
                    That's right. I meant them.
                    They learn on the fly. It used to be like, he will write his nasty things about our people, our country, in return you will make him Russophobe. And now he will write disgusting and still calls you a Russophobe! Yesterday I ran into a group of such.
                  7. Alexander Suvorov
                    Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 16: 30 New
                    +1
                    solzh (Sergey)
                    And now he will write disgusting and still calls you a Russophobe!
                    And they adopted the manner of their curators from Phashington. Those, too, will do some kind of muck, but blame Russia for this, well, at worst, Iran or North Korea.
  2. Victorio
    Victorio 23 January 2020 12: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    The fist is a peasant. Moreover, working, able to manage the economy. And what do you have against the Cossacks? Not present, mummers, but present. Not only farmers, but also service people. Police? Need not? That is, there was no crime in the Russian Empire? Thieves, murderers didn’t exist, did some revolutionaries ride the country? So the gendarmes were engaged in revolutionaries, but there were not many of them - only 16 thousand for the whole vast country. And yes, there were enough people who had something to lose. The same doctors, engineers, scientists - which the Bolsheviks robbed and destroyed along with tsarist officials and entrepreneurs.

    ===
    and where are your peasantry, workers, philistines? do you think they did not work, did not know how and did not want to work? how did they live? Now there was an opportunity to change the situation, and they took advantage. I think now there will be such a person, there will be plenty of willing people, despite the fact that the situations are significantly different.
  3. naidas
    naidas 25 January 2020 21: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    The fist is a peasant.

    Stolypin disagrees with you: in a report to the emperor (1904) - At present, a stronger peasant is usually turning into a fist, an exploiter of his fellow activists, in a figurative expression - a world-eater.
  4. AU Ivanov.
    AU Ivanov. 25 January 2020 21: 50 New
    -3
    This is a natural process. Any developing economy comes to the use of wage labor. The family, even if large, ceases to cope with the volume of production.
  5. naidas
    naidas 25 January 2020 21: 20 New
    0
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    So you want to say that such an insignificant number of the population fought against the Red Army?
    Of course, according to intelligence estimates, by June 1919 it was about 683 people. However, together with auxiliary and staff units it could exceed 000 people. As they say - on allowance. Combat units amounted to only half of this figure. The country's population is 1023 million.
  • solzh
    solzh 23 January 2020 10: 59 New
    14
    And what about the monarchy? The whites fought precisely for the old order, which included dividing the people into rich and poor, for the old order in which they had privileges, for the old order in which the power of the capitalists and landowners existed, etc.
    1. Dmitry Igorevich
      Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 11: 21 New
      -9
      Quote: solzh
      White fought for the old order

      What is the old order?
      The Russians fought for the Russian Republic. Which in January 1918 was destroyed by the Bolsheviks.
      You at least read something on the history of Russia, except for the Soviet "textbooks".
      Quote: solzh
      which included dividing the people into rich and poor, for the old order in which they had privileges, for the old order in which the power of the capitalists and landowners existed, etc.

      Lord, and why do people have enough "intelligence" to write such game?
      Well, you don’t know how it was - keep silent. Maybe you’ll be a smart guy.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 January 2020 11: 50 New
      -7
      Quote: solzh
      The whites fought precisely for the old order, which included dividing the people into rich and poor, for the old order in which they had privileges, for the old order in which the power of the capitalists and landowners existed

      Do not carry the BAD, ignoramus: leadership of Russia clearly defined the GOAL of the Russian State: People power via popularly elected Constituent Assembly :
      "The establishment of law and order, so that people could freely choose their form of government, which he will wish, and implement great ideas of freedom

      A.V. Kolchak, Supreme Ruler of Russia

      Got it?

      YOU DEPRIVED our people for 70 years and CHOICE rights and FREEDOM rights: you were afraid, trembling from animal Of fear and crazy of horror from opportunity free elections of the people, were afraid, sweated from fear, went into paranoia from .... ordinary NEWSPAPERS (ALL were forbidden), BOOKS (burned), Russian culture (demolished thousands of Russian pennants) were afraid of processions, even other thoughts — destroying and exiling millions of people who could only think otherwise: they knew they would throw them out. No wonder they were afraid ...

      UNDERPANTS.... negative
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 28 January 2020 16: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        YOU DEPRIVED our people

        what is "your people"? a handful of landowners and nobles? yes, deprived! bully and it comes to the fact that soon we will again deprive wink I hope more than 70 ....
    3. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 12: 40 New
      -8
      White fought for equal representation of all segments of the population and all political parties in government. That is, against the dictatorship and usurpation of power by the Bolsheviks.
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 11: 10 New
    +6
    Damn, are you aware of Kolchak in general, except for the dull little thing? How did he figure it out? This is where the usurpation of power is right, not a single gram.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 11: 40 New
      -6
      But how did the Bolsheviks deal with the rebellious Kronstadt sailors? Which demanded only equal representation in the Soviets of all parties, and not just the Bolsheviks.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 11: 44 New
        +1
        Nenene, are you aware of Kolchak or not? KOMUCH did not raise an uprising, but quite the opposite.
      2. naidas
        naidas 25 January 2020 21: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        But how did the Bolsheviks deal with the rebellious Kronstadt sailors?

        And you can find biographies of the leaders of the Kronstadt uprising. 100% could not do without officers.
  • naidas
    naidas 25 January 2020 21: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    Restoration of the monarchy was not their goal

    From the diary of Irina Knorring:
    September 16/29, 1920. Wednesday Crimea
    It is sad that the monarchist movement is developing so strongly. Vostokov in the cathedral had already proclaimed emperor Michael and even sang "God Save the Tsar" ....
  • Alexander Suvorov
    Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 10: 52 New
    +9
    solzh (Sergey)
    White generally lived in some kind of understandable illusion.
    Judging by olgovich and the rest of the bakers, they still arrive in parallel reality.
    1. solzh
      solzh 23 January 2020 10: 56 New
      +7
      Alexander hi
      Quote: Alexander Suvorov
      True, he completely forgets to mention the agreement on the division of Russia between the countries of the Entente. Forgets to tell how Krasnov tried to break away the lands of the Great Don Army

      In his illusion, the Entente was like saving, not trying to divide Russia! And the leaders of the White Guards also did not sell Russian lands to the Entente and did not try to destroy Russia. And in general, the constituent assembly was the salvation of Russia, but forgets to add that the Councils were disbanded due to the refusal to consider and recognize the "Declaration of the rights of workers."
      1. Dmitry Igorevich
        Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 11: 24 New
        -7
        Quote: solzh
        Entente type saved, but did not try to divide Russia! And the leaders of the White Guards also did not sell the Entente Russian lands and did not try to ruin Russia.

        Sick people, these are Soviet. No, well, in fact, the uneducated and with the head are obvious problems.
        Quote: solzh
        constituent assembly it was the salvation of Russia

        Constituent assembly was the legitimate authority of Russia. Its inhabitants of Russia were ELECTED.
        Quote: solzh
        The CAs were dissolved due to the refusal to consider and recognize the "Declaration of Workers' Rights".

        Who has "dissolved"? Who had such authority to dissolve the government body elected by the population of Russia?
        None. The Bolsheviks simply carried out an armed coup (coup).
        And the current stupid people continue to blow everything into the same Soviet lying pipe.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 12: 20 New
          +8
          Dmitry Igorevich (Dmitry Igorevich)
          Sick people, these are Soviet.
          Sick you just the same you and your kind, and apparently incurably.
          No, well, actually, uneducated
          At what time did you receive your education? Or from freshly baked victims of the exam?
          Constituent assembly was the legitimate authority of Russia. Its inhabitants of Russia were ELECTED.
          Ask how many "residents" actually participated in the elections and what was the largest faction in the US.
          Who has "dissolved"? Who had such authority to dissolve the government body elected by the population of Russia?
          No, you are definitely a victim of the exam!
          None. The Bolsheviks simply carried out an armed coup (coup).
          For those who are on an armored train, an armed coup was carried out in February by those who later ended up in the command center. So they had no legitimacy. And by October 1917, the government was simply lying under their feet, because the temporary ones had completely destroyed the country in 8 months and there was simply no one to defend this power. No, well, there were junkers fool youthful maximalism and a battalion of the same fool exalted women who clearly suffered from a lack of male attention. Great protection ... laughing

          P.S. For all fool especially gifted, legitimate power, this is the power that can hold this very power in their hands, except for the Bolsheviks no one could do this, because the support of the people was on their side!
          1. Dmitry Igorevich
            Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 13: 39 New
            -6
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            At what time did you receive your education?

            Into the modern. Because in the time of sovereignty, like everyone else, I received only "crusts".
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            No, you are definitely a victim of the exam!

            So someone, not Soviet people, is looking for victims of education. Even the most stupid modern schoolboy will not sit near a TV set with a can of water, "charging" it with healing energy.
            And the Soviets easily sat. Almost without exception.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            An armed coup was carried out in February by those who later ended up in the DC.

            Oh. Straight armed? Why lie?
            And you do not know that actually a revolution (bourgeois) took place in March 1917?
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            So they had no legitimacy.

            It had, since it was carried out by Emperor Michael 2, was bloodless and was recognized throughout the world.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            power by October 1917 was just lying under your feet

            Of course, of course, if you gather a gang of armed villains, more, then it can easily turn out that "the power was lying under your feet."
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            because temporary for 8 months ruined the country completely

            The country began to fall apart in 1918, after the Bolshevik coup in January 1918.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            and there was simply no one to defend this power.

            No one? How old was the Civil War?
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            well, there were junkers fool suffering from youthful maximalism and a battalion of the same fool exalted women who clearly suffered from a lack of male attention. Great protection ...

            Protection of what? The Provisional Government, which in early January 1918 was supposed to surrender its authority to the Constituent Assembly anyway?
            This Government was not particularly interested in anyone. Therefore, no one defended him.
            The Constituent Assembly was defended for several years. In the battles.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            legitimate power, this is the power that can hold this very power in their hands,

            Legitimate power is that power that is recognized in the world. Otherwise, it is a gang of usurpers of power.
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            except the Bolsheviks, no one could do this, because the support of the people was on their side!

            Of course, on them. The Bolsheviks allowed (even invoked) to rob and kill. Of course, the underdeveloped (relict) Russian society immediately took advantage of this. The lower the level of development of society, the more marginalized it is. But the Bolsheviks made a bet on marginals.
            By the way, then these marginals the Bolsheviks punished for everything. But later, already in the 30s. As a warning to SMART descendants, do not believe all kinds of crooks, they will deceive.
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 13: 44 New
              +3
              Honestly, I'm too lazy to comment so much on your feverish delirium. Enough of this:
              It had, since it was carried out by Emperor Michael 2, was bloodless and was recognized throughout the world.
              The rest is even more delusional.
            2. Dmitry Igorevich
              Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 14: 25 New
              -5
              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              Enough of this:

              I already wrote to you, learn history, you need. You generally do not know nifiga, except for the Bolshevik tales. But this is not history. This is "Soviet history".
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 23 January 2020 11: 23 New
    -8
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Queue

    Leave me alone, MATA lover: I disdain such "interlocutors".
    What's not clear? belay
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 11: 26 New
      +7
      Once, Olgych wrote about himself as a kind of builder, and then I probably had a break. So the mate is afraid, and even zapikannogo.
      1. Hantengri
        Hantengri 24 January 2020 01: 15 New
        +3
        He is a high school student, not kissed at the navel. laughing and in communication he bans anyone who can reasonably poke him into his "lukewarm".
    2. Hantengri
      Hantengri 24 January 2020 01: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      Leave me alone, MATA lover: I disdain such "interlocutors".
      What's not clear?

      Olgovich, according to my observations, something painfully many people cover you with MAT and call you GUANOM. Maybe it’s not in the lack of culture of comrades, but in your inner essence? Flies, after all, know what sits down! Is not it? laughing
  • Victorio
    Victorio 23 January 2020 12: 36 New
    -2
    Quote: Olgovich
    By the way, maybe even you will answer me (no one can): WHY did the tens of millions of people who elected non-Bolshevik power in the elections have to accept the forceful and deceitful seizure of power by this minority?

    ===
    you justify, your opponents are filing mud. it seems that the truth is somewhere in the middle, if at all, it can be found / determined at that turbulent time.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 January 2020 13: 17 New
      -7
      Quote: Victorio
      Quote: Olgovich
      By the way, maybe even you will answer me (no one can): WHY did the tens of millions of people who elected non-Bolshevik power in the elections have to accept the forceful and deceitful seizure of power by this minority?

      ===
      you justify, your opponents are filing mud. it seems that the truth is somewhere in the middle, if at all, it can be found / determined at that turbulent time.

      The leadership of the Russian State does not need excuses, because it stood for the power of the PEOPLE, for their free choice of ANY form.
      Moreover, mind you, NOT predetermining it. The task of their state is to ensure exercise of this right of the people:
      "Rule of law and law and order the people could freely choose the form of government that he wished, and implement the great ideas of freedom

      A.V. Kolchak, Supreme Ruler of Russia

      WHAT can be better and higher than this goal?
      It'S Nothing!

      The Bolsheviks They deprived the people of the right to choose and deprived the people of ALL FREEDOMS: words, newspapers, parties, meetings, processions, TOTAL!
      Turning people into an obedient, frightened, unknowing, unreasoning.
      WHO authorized them? NONE!
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 23 January 2020 13: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Olgovich
        WHAT can be better and higher than this goal?
        It'S Nothing!

        ===
        all these are words, thoughts. realities and actions were different. the Bolsheviks had this too. However, pathos you are close to these two forces)
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 January 2020 13: 54 New
          -5
          Quote: Victorio
          all these are words, thoughts. realities and actions were different.

          1. The GOAL is determined and it is wonderful: Establishing the rule of law and order so that the people can freely choose the form of government they wish and implement the great ideas of freedom
          2. What are the "others"? Did they NOT hold elections to the US? belay
          Read above: the first point is the establishment of LEGALITY, but it was not allowed to carry out by the invaders.
          Quote: Victorio
          among the Bolsheviks this was enough

          They didn’t have such goals in their memory: their declared goal -dictatorship of a handful of population- the "proletariat" under the sole leadership of the party - by any means - civil slaughter, the destruction of "kspuatators", coercion, violence, restriction of everything and everyone.

          On the right to choose a people, ANYWHERE.

          In the Soviet school it studied in detail. request
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 23 January 2020 14: 01 New
            -1
            Quote: Olgovich
            In the Soviet school it studied in detail.

            ===
            I don’t see much difference between the dictatorship of the proletariat and the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
          2. Corrie sanders
            Corrie sanders 23 January 2020 22: 24 New
            0
            SW Olgovich, we again missed to describe the characters mentioned here, I will fit in, I will help))):

            12th Soviet Army Mezheninova. From Cherkasy and Kremenchug turned to the south and the 14th Soviet army Uborevich. January 10, 1920 on the basis of the Southern Front, the South-Western Front was created under the command of Egorov


            1. Mezheninov Sergei Aleksandrovich - nobleman, officer of the Life Guard of the Lithuanian regiment, holder of the orders of St. Vladimir, St. Anna, St. Stanislaus. In 1918, on mobilization, he put on a Budennovka, then distinguished himself on the Kolchak fronts, fought against Denikin, in the Soviet-Polish war. He held high positions on the headquarters line in the Red Army. in 1937 he was exposed as a "hardened German, Polish and Italian spy", (link below) was shot.

            2. Uborevich Jeronim Petrovich - the second lieutenant of wartime RIA, was captured, after the Brest Peace - in the RSFSR, immediately to the post of division commander, later (at 23 years old!) - commander of the army. He took an active part on all fronts of the civilian, after which he suppressed the Tambov uprising and the uprising in the BSSR. in the 30s - at the top military posts in the Red Army. in 1937 he was arrested, exposed (he wrote a confession) as a wrecker and participant in a fascist military conspiracy to open a front during the German invasion. Shot, cremated, scattered ashes

            3. Egorov Alexander Ilyich - from the bourgeoisie, by training - a military personnel officer, but in fact in WW1 he fought a little, being mainly in the teaching and staff work. He was in the army for about a year, wrote about himself that he had 5 wounds during this period. By conviction - a Social Revolutionary, who later joined the Bolsheviks. In civilian - immediately at the highest posts, the commander of armies and fronts. One of the first 5 marshals in the Red Army in senior positions. In 1939 he was arrested, exposed as a spy, wrecker and enemy of the Soviet regime, shot.

            Extract from the resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks "on Comrade Yegorov", 25.01.1938/XNUMX/XNUMX "First Deputy People's Commissar of Defense of the USSR, Comrade Yegorov A.I. during his work as chief of staff of the Red Army worked extremely unsatisfactorily, the work of the General Staff was destroyed , entrusting it to the seasoned spies of the Polish, German and Italian intelligence services Levichev and Mezheninov. "
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 24 January 2020 09: 55 New
              -6
              Quote: Corrie Sanders
              SW Olgovich, we again missed describing the characters mentioned here, I’ll fit in,

              Thank you, dear Corry! hi

              You perfectly supported the tradition of showing determination of the Supreme Court of the USSR, disgusting "spies, traitors and fascists" fought for that power.

              А higher military leadership represented Chairman of the PBC RSFSR (Bronstein) turned out to be not just a spy, but ..... GESTAPOVTSEM (as defined by the USSR Prosecutor General Vyshinsky)

              and such was more than half the so-called Red commanders of the Gr War fronts (as defined by the USSR Armed Forces): this has never happened in any army in the world ...
  • apro
    apro 23 January 2020 15: 39 New
    0
    Oh Russian navel of the earth?
    Quote: Olgovich
    This is not a "movement", but the official Russian army of the Russian State.

    And which state? Empire of Russia or the bourgeois republic of Russia? more specifically pzhlst ...
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 January 2020 09: 58 New
      -8
      Quote: apro
      And which state? Empire of Russia or the bourgeois republic of Russia? more specifically pzhlst ...

      belay It is clearly written: Russian state.!

      PS finally learn the story HIS same country! hi
  • apro
    apro 23 January 2020 05: 19 New
    +2
    Not the ability to organize either troops is not the rear. But listening to what the invaders say is a must ...
  • svp67
    svp67 23 January 2020 05: 48 New
    12
    A tragedy, a real tragedy, how many civilians, children, women and old people died then ... Here it is "enlightened Europe", and our "Christ-loving army" turned out to be no better ...
    And this is generally "operetta":
    “At a critical moment, from the twenty-five thousandth“ coffee army ”, which was hustling along all the“ dens of the city ”, and from all the parts of the newly formed and old ones that had arrived in Odessa ... - at the disposal of Colonel Stessel,“ the chief of defense ”, there were three hundred people, counting from us".

    Yes, and the invaders ... as I understand that the film "Intervention" perfectly conveys the spirit of all this "mess"

  • icant007
    icant007 23 January 2020 07: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Alexander Suvorov
    does this Stessel have anything to do with Stessel-Portarturian?


    Son, the most that neither is a son)
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 07: 34 New
      +5
      cant007 (Andrey)
      Son, the most that neither is a son)
      Thank you for your reply! hi
      What an irony of fate, pope passed Port Arthur, and his son passed Odessa ...
      1. icant007
        icant007 23 January 2020 07: 42 New
        -1
        Yeah, my father’s karma has not been fixed)
  • knn54
    knn54 23 January 2020 08: 43 New
    +3
    The army has disintegrated. The intendants were shot, but they were replaced by the same. In Odessa, the underground workers brilliantly campaigned for French sailors (among whom was the future founder of socialist Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh). Therefore, the invaders, fearing the "Bolshevik contagion", left home.
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 09: 03 New
      +4
      knn54 (Nikolai)
      Therefore, the invaders, fearing the "Bolshevik contagion", left home.
      Well, not because of agitation, they still left, but because of the fear of getting the very tomatoes from the Red Army for robbing and torturing Russia.
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 10: 21 New
        -9
        The robbery of Russia is to the Bolsheviks. Torture - there too.
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 10: 40 New
          +5
          AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
          The robbery of Russia is to the Bolsheviks.
          Well, they definitely robbed you. The brain was completely stolen ... laughing
          And what did the British, French, Americans, Germans, Japanese do in Russia? Let me guess, flowers were bred and handed out to civilians for free?
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 10: 54 New
            -13
            The Bolsheviks in the destruction of their own people completely coped without outside help. Although for many Bolsheviks, the Russian people were not their own.
            But you don’t think that you are a victim of Soviet propaganda.
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 11: 15 New
              +5
              AS Ivanov. (Andrei)
              The Bolsheviks in the destruction of their own people completely coped without outside help.
              That is, to the direct question, what did the interventionists in Russia do not want to answer? Apparently because the truth doesn’t turn the tongue?
              Although for many Bolsheviks, the Russian people were not their own.
              Are there other peoples in Russia, or only Russians? Or, in your opinion, "the Bolsheviks exterminated exclusively Russians," solely on a national basis?
              But you don’t think that you are a victim of Soviet propaganda.
              And you are a victim of the "Ogonyok" magazine a la the 90s ... It is high time to turn on the brains, though such Russophobes like you, I generally doubt that there are brains!
        2. naidas
          naidas 25 January 2020 21: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          The robbery of Russia is to the Bolsheviks. Torture - there too.

          Yes, robbed from 1917 to 1953 from plow to a world power and Europe piled on.
      2. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 28 January 2020 16: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        Well, not because of agitation, they still left

        agitation was one of the most important elements of the struggle! Of course, not only did they win by agitation, but she played a very serious role.
  • Dmitry Igorevich
    Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 09: 34 New
    -11
    The Red Army defeated the New Russian group General Schilling and liberated Odessa

    1. Grouping of Russians (Russian Volunteer Army).
    2. Captured Odessa. Since the Red Army (the armed forces of the RSFSR) had nothing to do with Ukraine and Odessa.
    in the Novorossiysk group of whites

    Russian grouping.
    Thus, the volunteers could not

    The Russians could not.
    Denikinites retreated further

    The Russians retreated further.
    Lord, what kind of terms Soviet will not apply just to hide the fact that the Bolsheviks in Russia defeated the Russians and seized Russia from them under their rule.
    Even the numerous officers who fled here over the last years of the war thought only of evacuation and preferred to play patriotism, creating numerous officer organizations and not wanting to leave the city to fight on the front lines.

    Of course of course. The Bolsheviks were, in the eyes of the Soviet, youthful fellows. And the Russians, in the eyes of the Soviets, are rams.
    Later, the ships received another part of the refugees, but most of them could not be evacuated.

    The fate of those Russians who could not escape from the Bolsheviks was sad.
    1. Alexander Suvorov
      Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 10: 02 New
      +3
      Dmitry Igorevich (Dmitry Igorevich)
      Lord, what kind of terms Soviet will not apply just to hide the fact that the Bolsheviks in Russia defeated the Russians and seized Russia from them under their rule.
      Lord where are you fool fool fool Are the stamps stamped in such quantities?
      1. Dmitry Igorevich
        Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 13: 40 New
        -3
        Quote: Alexander Suvorov
        where do you get such fool fool fool ot stamped in such quantities?

        Are you talking about the Soviet? Of course yes. I myself am surprised at their number.
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 10: 27 New
      -2
      Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
      Captured Odessa. Since the Red Army (the armed forces of the RSFSR) had nothing to do with Ukraine and Odessa.
      I wonder what percentage of Russians in the army of the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics?
      1. Dmitry Igorevich
        Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 13: 41 New
        -2
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        I wonder what percentage of Russians in the army of the Russian Soviet Federation of Socialist Republics?

        Zero percent.
        The Russians did not serve in the Red Army. They served in the Russian Volunteer Army.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 13: 58 New
          +1
          Maybe you also recall the Russian Liberation Army? And then 80 percent of the composition of the Red Army
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          According to them in 1920 in the Red Army was: Velikorossovs - 79%, Ukrainians 5%
          It’s not clear who it is in Goebbels.
          1. Dmitry Igorevich
            Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 14: 00 New
            -3
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Maybe you also recall the Russian Liberation Army?

            All in good time.
            1. Alexander Suvorov
              Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 15: 06 New
              +3
              Dmitry Igorevich (Dmitry Igorevich)

              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Maybe you also recall the Russian Liberation Army?

              All in good time.
              So the fascist shortage brought you into the clear.
              1. Dmitry Igorevich
                Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 15: 16 New
                -4
                Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                fascist lack.

                But "fascist", is that somehow bad?
                Why so?
                The authoritarianism of bourgeois society, in the common people "fascism", is the first phase of this society. Since the road to a well-fed and secured life lies precisely through this phase, what now, not to live well and secured ever? Always drag out a miserable existence, as under socialism?
              2. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 16: 09 New
                0
                Actually, the Nazi surplus.
                1. Alexander Suvorov
                  Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 16: 32 New
                  +3
                  Yes, by and large, no difference. Although I know that Italians were Nazis and Germans were Nazis. But who cares about the shit varieties poking around?
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 16: 35 New
                    +1
                    Doctors will not agree with you. ))) Not that they would be interested in poking around in this matter, but this helps the diagnosis of the disease. Here only the disease is not bodily, like dermo.
    3. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 10: 35 New
      0
      On the Red Army there is data from the article by A.B. Astashova "The social composition of the Red Army according to the 1920 census." The author refers to "Results of the census of the Red Army and Navy on 28 August 1920" Proceedings of the Central Statistical Office. T. XIII. Issue 2.S. 52-53; RGVA F. 54. Op. 6.D.432. L. 26, ob-27,30ob

      According to them, in 1920 in the Red Army there were: Velikorossovs - 79%, Ukrainians 5%, Tatars of Russia and Crimea - 3,39%, Belarusians 2,19%, but actually the Chinese were 0,8% or 2236 in absolute terms.
    4. naidas
      naidas 25 January 2020 21: 40 New
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
      The fate of those Russians who could not escape from the Bolsheviks was sad.

      Yes, the fate of A.Ya. is really sad Cruz, A.P. Alexandrov, M.A. Bulgakov, T.T. Shapkin, B.V. Johanson, E.L. Schwartz, and this one generally returned -Ya.A. Sweeter.
  • icant007
    icant007 23 January 2020 10: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
    Lord, what kind of terms Soviet will not apply just to hide the fact that the Bolsheviks in Russia defeated the Russians and seized Russia from them under their rule.


    And the Bolsheviks, what is not Russian?
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 10: 19 New
      -3
      If you take the top of the Bolsheviks, then, as it were, to put it mildly: not quite Russian. And more precisely - not at all Russian.
      1. icant007
        icant007 23 January 2020 10: 29 New
        -1
        Quote: AS Ivanov.
        If you take the top of the Bolsheviks, then, as it were, to put it mildly: not quite Russian. And more precisely - not at all Russian.


        This is understandable. But the Red Army is the same Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians basically.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 10: 42 New
          -3
          The White Army also consisted mainly of Russians. But the pre-military council, he was the People's Commissar for Naval and Military Affairs, bore the name Bronstein. And among the commissars of Russian surnames it was impossible to find a day with fire. And what did they care about the Russian people?
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 11: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            But the pre-military council, he was the People's Commissar for Naval and Military Affairs, bore the name Bronstein
            So what? What is the name of the current Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation? Or maybe Kolchak is a purely Ryazan surname?
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 11: 31 New
              -4
              And what is Shoigu engaged in the genocide of the Russian people? Trotsky and the companies were engaged.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 11: 35 New
                +3
                You then turn on the mind, how can one deal with the RUSSIAN genocide at almost 80 percent of RUSSIANs from the army? Although what mind ...
                1. Alexander Suvorov
                  Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 12: 25 New
                  +5
                  Vladimir_2U (Vladimir)
                  You turn on the mind
                  Where did you find the mind of the baker? There are only terry anti-Soviet and Russophobia.
                2. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 12: 45 New
                  -6
                  Although you would read the instructions of your god - Lenin, how to deal with a people who did not share communist ideas. These are specific calls for the physical extermination of dissidents. Which were embodied in the business.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 13: 30 New
                    0
                    Give a quote, so, for development, although where ...
                    1. Dmitry Igorevich
                      Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 13: 58 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Give a quote, so, for development, although where ...

                      Full of sayings of this ghoul on the Internet. Look for it yourself, it’s disgusting to even read them.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 16: 14 New
                        +1
                        There will be no quotes, clearly, the case of Olgych moves to a new level.
                3. Dmitry Igorevich
                  Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 13: 54 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  almost 80 percent RUSSIAN of the army, engage in genocide RUSSIAN?

                  80% of Great Russians in the Red Army fought with Russians from the Russian Volunteer Army.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Although what mind ...

                  And indeed, where to come from, if you don’t even know who the Russians are.
              2. naidas
                naidas 25 January 2020 21: 46 New
                +1
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                Trotsky and the companies were engaged.

                And they hung at Yudenich’s lanterns in Pskov? Maybe they distinguished themselves in the Donetsk region (when Nazarov was arrested, the Red Latvians guarded the local thirsty to break the Cossacks)? Or maybe they overtook Siberia, burning villages?
          2. Victorio
            Victorio 23 January 2020 13: 00 New
            -1
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            The White Army was also made mostly from russian. But the pre-military council, he was the People's Commissar for Naval and Military Affairs, bore the name Bronstein. And among the commissars of Russian surnames it was impossible to find a day with fire. And what did they care about the Russian people?

            ===
            probably the officers were mostly Russian, but Russified representatives of other nationalities
            1. Dmitry Igorevich
              Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 13: 57 New
              -1
              Quote: Victorio
              probably the officers were mostly Russian

              No, the fact of the matter is that Mikhail 2 started the bourgeois revolution in Russia prematurely. Therefore, the bulk of the officers were monarchist. And for the Russians (in the Russian Volunteer Army), it did not fight. These officers were actively mobilized by the Bolsheviks. They led the Red Army, in the main. Under the supervision of commissars and all sorts of "commanders".
              Monarchists did not like Russians. They could not forgive them the overthrow of the autocracy.
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 16: 16 New
                +1
                What a powerful mess, Goebbels just crying, out of shame.
        2. Dmitry Igorevich
          Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 13: 52 New
          -1
          Quote: icant007
          But the Red Army is the same Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians mainly

          Great Russians, Little Russians, Lytvyn.
          You shouldn't use "Soviet terms". Most often they are wrong.
          For example, the Bolsheviks called Russians "white".
          And they called the Great Russians "Russians".
          Etc.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 16: 18 New
            -1
            Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
            No need to use "Soviet terms"

            And how are the Great Russians different from the Russians, enlighten, a connoisseur-anthropologist-Nazi.
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 10: 36 New
        0
        And even more precisely, at least half of the most Russian Russians.
      3. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 23 January 2020 11: 41 New
        0
        So what? Why do they have to be Russian?
        I suggest you arrange a demonstration under the government building for the abolition of Article 19 of the Constitution, just the time in connection with the upcoming amendments. Here you are under the guise and push through.
    2. Dmitry Igorevich
      Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 13: 45 New
      -1
      Quote: icant007
      And the Bolsheviks, what is not Russian?

      I am from such a question, I almost fell under the table.
      It's like asking, "what, aren't the Nazis Jews"?
      Bolsheviks, ardent Russophobia. They fought with the Russians for Russia (and won). They killed someone during the war, some were squeezed out of Russia, and someone (who remained in Russia) was killed after the war. By WW2, only traces remained of Russians in the USSR.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 23 January 2020 14: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
        Bolsheviks, ardent Russophobia. They fought with the Russians

        ===
        "Russophobia is an ideology that asserts the inferiority of the Russian people."
        1. Dmitry Igorevich
          Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 14: 22 New
          -1
          Quote: Victorio
          Russophobia-is an ideology that claims the inferiority of the Russian people

          But to cut out Russians in Russia is not Russophobia, is it genocide?
          The Bolsheviks expressed Russians in Russia in much the same way as the Nazis of the Jews in the years of WWII.
          But at the same time, one should not confuse Russians with Great Russians. It was precisely with the hands of the Great Russians that the Bolsheviks most often acted.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 23 January 2020 14: 26 New
            -1
            Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
            Quote: Victorio
            Russophobia-is an ideology that claims the inferiority of the Russian people

            But to cut out Russians in Russia is not Russophobia, is it genocide?
            The Bolsheviks expressed Russians in Russia in much the same way as the Nazis of the Jews in the years of WWII.

            ===
            and the Holodomor-the genocide of the Ukrainian people ?! there was neither a Bolshevik party, nor Soviet state Russophobia. but since you think it was, then it was
          2. naidas
            naidas 25 January 2020 21: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
            Bolsheviks expressed Russians in Russia

            And the Russian masochists supported the Bolsheviks in both the Civil and WWII, it is like Novodvorskaya:
            Here it is, a Russian miracle and a mysterious Russian soul! Affective insanity! That's why we are so cool fighting! ... Classics of the genre - Great Patriotic War. Here is the formula for our mass heroism! The country was finally released from the chain, and, not having the courage to cut its throat to its own Stalin and his executioners, enthusiastically grabbed Hitler and his monsters in the throat.
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 16: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
        are not the Nazis Jews

        The Nazi here seems to be you.
  • tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 23 January 2020 10: 33 New
    +1
    The Russians killed the Russians. Terrible. In the name of what. "Justice?" Oh, this is what it turns out to be ...
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 10: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      about the name of what. "Justice?"

      Not at all, some unleashed a civil war in order to continue living, and not badly, at the expense of others, and those, others, had to fight so that this "happiness" would not return! And yes, "we will hang up later" was not invented in Ukraine in 2014.
      1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 23 January 2020 10: 44 New
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        What made you feel more cheerful in your soul? The essence has not changed. I understand that "before you unite, you need to separate," but this is a Civil War and it (however, like any war) strikes at civilians without respecting titles and blood. And who unleashed the civil war - with a class approach - remind you?
        1. Alexander Suvorov
          Alexander Suvorov 23 January 2020 10: 55 New
          +2
          tovarich-andrey.62goncharov (Andrey)
          And who unleashed a civil war - with a class approach - do you recall?
          Well, remind! Although let me guess, probably the Bolsheviks unleashed?
          1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
            tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 23 January 2020 11: 16 New
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            Almost guessed. Lucky for you ...
          2. Dmitry Igorevich
            Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 14: 29 New
            -1
            Quote: Alexander Suvorov
            Although let me guess, probably the Bolsheviks unleashed?

            And who else? In January 1918
            1. icant007
              icant007 23 January 2020 17: 10 New
              -1
              Why in January 1918? And which event was the first in the chronology of the Civil War?
        2. icant007
          icant007 23 January 2020 12: 29 New
          -1
          Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          And who unleashed a civil war - with a class approach - do you recall?


          Those who did not accept the new Soviet power. The White movement did not have to go over to armed struggle.
        3. naidas
          naidas 25 January 2020 21: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          What made you feel more fun at heart?

          And it’s more fun for you when before 1914 and after they disposed of people who did not fit into the Stolypin reform. Therefore, the two revolutions went so easily
      2. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 23 January 2020 10: 44 New
        +2
        What made you feel more cheerful in your soul? The essence has not changed. I understand that "before you unite, you need to separate," but this is a Civil War and it (however, like any war) strikes at civilians without respecting titles and blood. And who unleashed the civil war - with a class approach - remind you?
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 10: 49 New
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          Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          What made you feel more fun at heart? The essence has not changed
          No, not more fun.
          Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
          And who unleashed a civil war - with a class approach - you remind
          Well, remember, very curious, especially in light of the "class approach".
          1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
            tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 23 January 2020 11: 15 New
            +2
            "Cursed Days" to help you.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 11: 23 New
              +1
              Well, yes Bunin as a historical source is stronger than Solzhenitsyn.
              1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 23 January 2020 11: 56 New
                -2
                Solzhenitsyn’s truth in his opus is 25 percent ... From strength ...
    2. Dmitry Igorevich
      Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 14: 28 New
      -3
      Quote: tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
      Russians killed Russians

      Russian Russians have never been killed.
      Great Russians ("conscientious Russians") killed Russians, it was.
    3. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 28 January 2020 16: 59 New
      +1
      so that you understand why they killed, you probably should have lived in a peasant family in the early 20th century. apparently after half of your sisters and brothers die of starvation due to the landowner’s requisition, and your father is locked up with your batags to death, apparently then you will understand why the peasants (80% of the country's population) went after the Bolsheviks and gladly hanged, slaughtered and shot those who tried return the old system.
      and yes, it’s really justice, without any quotes wink so to speak on deeds paid off.
  • Victorio
    Victorio 23 January 2020 13: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
    Sick people, these Soviet. No, well, in fact, the uneducated and with the head are obvious problems.

    ===
    constant, I repeat, constant use in various combinations and for any reason. yourself healthy ?! and how did you manage to survive at all under the damned USSR, expropriation, underground, woods and dugouts, dungeons, mental hospitals, deportation
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 14: 03 New
      -5
      Those who did not survive, for obvious reasons, cannot speak.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 23 January 2020 14: 09 New
        +3
        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Those who did not survive, for obvious reasons, cannot speak.

        ===
        you survived, and even try on the toga of the accuser, insulting and humiliating
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 14: 25 New
          -3
          Fortunately, my ancestors were not stupid. Therefore, they survived at that cursed time.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 23 January 2020 15: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: AU Ivanov.
            К счастью, my ancestors were not stupid. Therefore, they survived at that cursed time.

            ===
            therefore you also stigmatize foreign ancestors !? Sick people, these Soviet
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 15: 22 New
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              No, I just blame those who killed other people's ancestors according to the class principle. Soviet killers are praised. Sick people.
              1. Victorio
                Victorio 23 January 2020 16: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                No, I just blame those who killed other people's ancestors according to the class principle. Soviet killers are praised. Sick people.

                ===
                excuses were used. in different guises you have this: sick people, these Soviet people. you are an dishonorable person, that’s it.
              2. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 16: 12 New
                +1
                White terror was precisely due to class characteristics and was carried out, however, like red, the scales are only different.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 16: 22 New
                  -4
                  And here you are mistaken. The whites did not shoot people for belonging to the working class or peasantry. And the Reds destroyed people only for their belonging to the nobility, clergy or merchants.
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 16: 24 New
                    +2
                    Yes, of course, the concept of Semyonism from great humanism and the class intelligibility of Ataman Semyonov came about, of course. You are a sick person.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 23 January 2020 16: 50 New
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                      Of course, Bela Kun and Zemlyachka were great humanists and were not guided by class principles, destroying members of the White movement in the Crimea, who believed the promises of the Soviet government and laid down their arms. And along with the White Guards, they exterminated representatives of the "hostile classes"
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 23 January 2020 17: 01 New
                        0
                        https://www.proza.ru/2017/12/24/1219
                        So, documents covering the activities of the “Crimean strike group” in the winter of 1921 allowed Yu.I. Shapovalu and V.A. Zolotarev claim 12 victims of terror, V.P. Petrov gives the figure 000, a witness of the arrival of the Reds in Crimea, Russian writer I.S. Shmelev spoke of 20 dead, a researcher from the "first wave" of Russian emigration S.P. Melgunov brought the martyrology to 000 people, the materials of the emigrant Special Investigative Commission to investigate the crimes of the Bolsheviks say 120-000 people who became victims of terror in Crimea. Regarding the last two figures, their significant emotional and ideological coloring, as well as significant factual inconsistencies in the works of Melgunov and the materials of the Special Commission, should be noted. ”
                        Most of these numbers are ordinary lies, which the enemies of the Soviet regime have never disdained.
                        I repeat, the White Terror was precisely on the basis of class characteristics and was carried out, however, like red, the scales are only different. And the terror did not start red.
                      2. naidas
                        naidas 25 January 2020 22: 15 New
                        +2
                        I would have distinguished Bolshevik terror from the terror of peasant armies. Atamans and dad officers didn’t really like to rob them, and they could rob them of weakness. In Crimea you can see sneezing mercy on Frunze and Kun. On Zemlyachka, Kuna, Gusev about banditry and counter-revolution.
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 26 January 2020 05: 47 New
                        0
                        Yes, by the way, in the line your remark. Art "green" machine for some reason is credited with red. Thanks.
                  2. naidas
                    naidas 25 January 2020 22: 10 New
                    +2
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    Of course, Bela Kun with a Countrywoman

                    And how many were destroyed, provide at least one list. Both the one and the other and Gusev dangled all over the Crimea from November 1920 to March 1921, they also drove to Moscow.
                    It is better not to teach history according to Ivan Shmelev, who cannot distinguish a secretary from a secretary of a regional committee of the Crimea, cannot distinguish a security officer from a party worker and not according to Melgunov who was cruelly repressed for his participation in and appeals against the Bolsheviks to Paris.
  • God save the king
    God save the king 23 January 2020 18: 50 New
    -2
    Black page of our history.
    If people then knew what awaited them in the “country of victorious Bolshevism”, they would have made much more efforts in the fight against the red threat.
    1. naidas
      naidas 25 January 2020 22: 16 New
      +2
      Quote: God save the Tsar
      If people then knew what awaited them in the “country of victorious Bolshevism”, they would have made much more efforts in the fight against the red threat.

      And silently died out, as they did not fit into the Stolypin reforms.
  • Moon
    Moon 23 January 2020 23: 48 New
    -3
    not a bad article. Thanks to the author.
    But I’ll refuse the discussion.
    Over 160 digging comments in themselves. White vs red .. With the same bitterness as in those days.
    When already reconciled finally ..
    Worse than Ukrainian is right ... It was a long time ago. It has long been necessary to make peace.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 24 January 2020 03: 19 New
      +1
      With about the same balance of forces, and the same malice and inadequacy of the "whites". Here are just "red" have now at least not the worst education.
      1. Moon
        Moon 24 January 2020 15: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        "white".

        where did they even survive .. if the "red" (if you believe the information of the whites) massively destroyed them or sent into exile.
        Just kidding
        1. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 28 January 2020 17: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Σελήνη
          where did they even survive ..

          as in the joke "What are you grandfather? And they shot me granddaughters." laughing
    2. Victorio
      Victorio 25 January 2020 00: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Σελήνη
      not a bad article. Thanks to the author.
      But I’ll refuse the discussion.
      Over 160 digging comments in themselves. White vs Red..With such bitterness as in those days.
      When already reconciled finally ..
      Worse than Ukrainian is right ... It was a long time ago. It has long been necessary to make peace.

      ====
      now white stomps the red, because when the red was not white. something like this
    3. naidas
      naidas 25 January 2020 22: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Σελήνη
      When already reconciled finally.

      When the rulers begin to feed the people, then there will be less dissatisfied, And again we will be able to mash the sides of those who wish to come to us with weapons.
  • naidas
    naidas 25 January 2020 21: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Dmitry Igorevich
    And the real Russians, whom they drove abroad, and whom they slaughtered.

    Some of these Russians expelled abroad served Hitler, some of the Japanese are against the Russophobes defending the country.
  • Ham
    Ham 22 February 2020 09: 51 New
    0
    this was no longer an army - but a disorganized crowd ... just like Novorossiysk was taken out!
    they had both supplies and artillery - there was no will ... barefoot and ragged parts of the Red Army on the contrary - were ready to tear their teeth ...
    this "impulse" - characteristic of the Civilian - will bring much more harm in future wars