Serious problems identified during tests of Ukrainian 152 mm artillery shells

Serious problems identified during tests of Ukrainian 152 mm artillery shells

The 152-mm artillery shells widely advertised in Ukraine for Ukrainian-made Hyacinth cannons developed in the USSR turned out to be not only of poor quality, but also dangerous for artillerymen. This was reported by Ukrainian military blogger diana_mihailova in the material "Dangerous problems identified during testing of Ukrainian 152-mm artillery shells".


In her article, the Ukrainian blogger drew attention to the publication of Vladimir Schetinin, who on his Facebook page posted unpleasant information about the tests and problems of domestic (Ukrainian-made) 152-mm artillery shells for 2A36 ("Hyacinth-B") and 2C5 (" Hyacinth-C ").

Reportedly, Ukrainian shells do not meet certain criteria inherent in artillery shells. According to Shchetinin, manufacturing techniques were violated in the manufacture of shells.


So, he writes, a Ukrainian artillery shell gives only 50 to 100 fragments during an explosion, while a similar Soviet-made projectile OF29 - from 1700 to 2000. It turns out that Ukrainian gunsmiths use different explosives and inappropriate metal in the manufacture of shells. The use of low-carbon steel, whose chemical composition gives the material a high impact strength, negatively affected the creation of fragments after the detonation of ammunition after being hit.

Since the projectile is prefabricated, this makes it impossible to shoot at the rebound - when it hits the ground, the projectile will collapse, fragmentation, moment of inertia also change, which negatively affects the derivation and ballistics of the projectile

- stated in the material.

It is also reported that the shells are equipped with explosives, which turned out to be unsuitable for long-term storage and increase their volume over time. However, such shells are delivered to the Ukrainian army and, according to the expert, pose a threat not only during firing, but even during storage.

You can read a full review of Ukrainian shells from Vladimir Schetinin by clicking on this link (Caution, profanity is present!)
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  1. Lexus 22 January 2020 17: 10 New
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    “More efficient” “Hammers” will be. laughing
    1. Dmitry Donskoy 22 January 2020 17: 27 New
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      Well, if this is not a fake, then this is not a "problem", everyone should be imprisoned for it. In Soviet times, it was called wrecking. soldier
      1. Lexus 22 January 2020 17: 33 New
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        it’s necessary to plant everyone for it. In Soviet times, it was called wrecking

        Given the fact that “ukrovermaht” is going to shoot these shells, on the contrary, it is necessary to award a secret order. soldier
        1. Observer2014 22 January 2020 18: 44 New
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          Quote: lexus
          it’s necessary to plant everyone for it. In Soviet times, it was called wrecking

          Given the fact that “ukrovermaht” is going to shoot these shells, on the contrary, it is necessary to award a secret order. soldier

          laughing good yes It is what it is. laughing
        2. garri-lin 23 January 2020 08: 46 New
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          Why secret? People need to know their heroes by sight.
    2. Cut Samshitov 22 January 2020 17: 30 New
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      Quote: lexus
      “More efficient” “Hammers” will be. laughing

      As the saying goes, the big ship - a big torpedo. Each undermined banderlog calculation is the saved lives of Donbass. Great news.
    3. Cananecat 22 January 2020 17: 56 New
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      Quote: lexus
      “More efficient” “Hammers” will be. laughing

      Something tells me that explosives in mines and shells are identical.
    4. TermNachTer 22 January 2020 17: 59 New
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      That is unlikely. There were ruptures of trunks at "hyacinth - b", with losses in personnel. Investigations were not carried out, and therefore it is not yet known for what reason there was a gap. Or trunk defect - street storage for 30 years. Or problems with the charge, also storage is severely impaired. But the soldiers, their guns are very afraid and try not to come close.
    5. Omskgasmyas 22 January 2020 18: 19 New
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      Our people equip them
  2. bouncyhunter 22 January 2020 17: 13 New
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    Serious problems identified during tests of Ukrainian 152 mm artillery shells

    The grossest violations of production technology and the replacement of materials with inappropriate ones will entail serious consequences, even fatal ... negative
    1. rocket757 22 January 2020 17: 29 New
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      The “hammer" take is as follows.
      And when Krajina was a significant part of the "Smiths of Power" of Our Country!
      Pros with fooked everything and continue to ride in the same spirit.
      1. bouncyhunter 22 January 2020 17: 35 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        Pros with fooked everything and continue to jump in the same spirit

        Not everything has jumped yet ...
      2. dvina71 22 January 2020 18: 07 New
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        Quote: rocket757
        And when Krajina was a significant part of the "Smiths of Power" of Our Country!

        Well, how can I say .. I bought something like spare parts for my MAZ .. Ukrainian piston ... The sleeve on the belt burst on the first trip ... Everything was changed to Kostroma .. only there were no piston fingers in the Kostroma kit .. decided to put After half a year .. some kind of knock appeared in the engine .., there is pressure .. the engine picks up speed .. the knock disappears .., at the idle it taps .. harder on the gas exchange .. Dismantled the engine .. and here I am about ... ate .. for the first time I saw a piston finger bursting along ... Well ok .. this can be attributed to a general drop in quality ..
        Was at our factory in perestroika .. the future air of Vikramaditya ... A familiar welder told me ... rather swearing ... graduates of the gopa don’t allow us to make such seams ... and there it was on the communications .. They began to check pipelines by pressure .. ran through the seams .. Actually because of this, the time and cost of repairs increased sharply .. had to remove all the pipelines and conduct new ones ..
        So ... it has disappeared so it has disappeared ...
        1. rocket757 22 January 2020 18: 47 New
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          Quote: dvina71
          So ... it has disappeared so it has disappeared ...

          When about the decline of morale, there, they smacked with greasy smiles, but shrugged their shoulders ... it happens!
          When there industry almost, almost collapsed completely and completely !!! only great surprise and phrases, phrases, phrases "volatile" so the language and ask! So you think about it, remember the very true expressions-Work made from a monkey MAN! And jumping around with pots on the head, kills everything human thoroughly and ..... in short, let's see how long IT can go on.
    2. loki565 22 January 2020 17: 31 New
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      They also have more fun)))
      1. bouncyhunter 22 January 2020 17: 36 New
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        Only one word came to mind after the video: "Evpatiy-Kolovraty!" . belay
        1. your1970 25 January 2020 21: 51 New
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          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Only one word came to mind after the video: "Evpatiy-Kolovraty!" . belay
          - like they are very safely on the fire. They seem to shoot directly-kilometer and a half ......
          No opposition from the other side?
    3. Terenin 22 January 2020 18: 58 New
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      Quote: bouncyhunter
      Serious problems identified during tests of Ukrainian 152 mm artillery shells

      The grossest violations of production technology and the replacement of materials with inappropriate ones will entail serious consequences, even fatal ... negative

      Pasha hi my wording smiled, "the shells identified serious problems. "What, shells can have" not serious, small, not significant, just nonsense ... "problems?
      1. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 22: 54 New
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        Quote: Terenin
        my wording smiled, "the shells revealed serious problems."

        the wording is fundamentally wrong ... the projectile just has no problems ... those who dare shoot it !! wink laughing
      2. Alexey RA 23 January 2020 17: 27 New
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        Quote: Terenin
        my wording smiled, "the shells identified serious problems. "What, shells can have" not serious, small, not significant, just nonsense ... "problems?

        I recalled the old joke:
        Parachute stowage guide. Second edition, revised and supplemented. © smile
    4. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 22: 51 New
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      Quote: bouncyhunter
      Gross violations of production technology and replacement of materials

      or maybe just an elementary lack of technology ??? wink wassat
      1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 09: 05 New
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        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        just an elementary lack of technology ???

        Or an elementary sloppiness? yes
        1. Nikolai Grek 24 January 2020 22: 10 New
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          Quote: bouncyhunter
          Quote: Nikolai Grek
          just an elementary lack of technology ???

          Or an elementary sloppiness? yes

          I dare to assume that elementary sloppiness coupled with the lack of elementary technologies !! lol drinks
          1. bouncyhunter 24 January 2020 22: 19 New
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            In the word "sloppiness" replace G and L with P and Z, respectively. wink
            1. Nikolai Grek 25 January 2020 20: 41 New
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              Quote: bouncyhunter
              In the word "sloppiness" replace G and L with P and Z, respectively. wink

              drinks will be true too !!! lol
  3. knn54 22 January 2020 17: 14 New
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    There is still doubt about who is the MAIN enemy of the APU.
  4. mark1 22 January 2020 17: 17 New
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    The use of low-carbon steel, whose chemical composition gives the material a high impact strength, negatively affected the creation of fragments after the detonation of ammunition after being hit.

    Back in the 19th century. Under the tsar’s king, cast iron shells were used to reduce the cost of treasury - cheaply and angrily. Here he is, the brothers!
    Well, there pyroxylin!
  5. Lord of the Sith 22 January 2020 17: 20 New
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    Now you should always write like this:

    When testing Ukrainian (insert as needed) serious problems identified
  6. Nemo 22 January 2020 17: 20 New
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    So that’s not all, all the most interesting is either on the blog on LiveJournal or on Facebook. For example, this
    During tests at the 242nd combined arms range, unbalanced ammunition hit the gun’s muzzle brake, damaging it and exploding in the air.
  7. Piramidon 22 January 2020 17: 22 New
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    However, such shells are delivered to the Ukrainian army and, according to the expert, pose a threat not only when firing, but even during storage.

    Now explosions in warehouses can be attributed to these shells. good
  8. 4ybys 22 January 2020 17: 22 New
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    Nitrophenol is probably starting;)
  9. Ural Cossack 22 January 2020 17: 23 New
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    makes it impossible to shoot at a rebound - if it hits the ground, the projectile will collapse, fragmentation and moment of inertia also change, which negatively affects the derivation and ballistics of the projectile.
    I am surprised by the statement of the Ukrainian sofa expert about derivation. Does he understand the meaning of this word? Unfinished dill.
    1. cherkas.oe 22 January 2020 18: 20 New
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      Quote: Ural Cossack
      Does he understand the meaning of this word? Dill is not finished

      But the word is beautiful, but suddenly they will take for the smart.
      1. Orkraider 22 January 2020 20: 22 New
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        I read the original from Vladimir Schetinin - he is an incompetent commentator (this is my opinion), hides his ignorance behind obscene expressions. It stands out especially:
        American projectile, which "unlike the Soviet OF29 with 1700-2000 fragments, gives 28000 fragments at the exit

        Campaign this expert compares different types: American cluster munition with high-explosive Soviet high-explosive ...

        And then, in general, a masterpiece of his conclusions:
        And since it’s 15 times smaller (28 fragments versus 000), that’s why in order to destroy a strong point, the Americans needed to produce 2 times less shells than the Soviet. 000 times less time and 15 times more often than the Soviet stay alive


        At the same time, this expert does not even evaluate the size of the fragments and their mass, does not compare energy and does not draw conclusions, for example, that American fragments will have a mass of about 1,5 grams and have an energy of 750 J and cannot be anti-personnel.

        he is an amateur and is engaged in hype, but if the facts are stated by him are real, then we will drop his reasoning and rejoice))) Ukraine’s shell hunger has not been resolved.

        If I’m not mistaken, the United States and the USSR had ammunition rates for unarmored targets about the same.

        Not the artilleryman himself, I’ll wait for a pro, for example Lopatov, the opinion of a specialist is very interesting
  10. Madness 22 January 2020 17: 31 New
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    So, he writes, the Ukrainian artillery shell in an explosion gives only 50 to 100 fragments,

    They save on metal (most likely they steal on technology) .. I remember they tried to sell armored personnel carriers a long time ago loaded on a cargo ship, and they went cracked))))
  11. Andrzej k 22 January 2020 17: 33 New
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    How is it possible that Ukraine and its industry opportunities have fallen so low. Indeed, in Soviet times, probably, k 2C3 shells were produced without problems.

    Not enough good host. a backlog from the time of the USSR is clearly over.
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    2. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 22: 58 New
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      Quote: Andrzej K
      How is this possible

      that’s what it’s called - under-state !!! request it is not enough to have land and a population to build a state ... and this taking into account the fact that they are building a state on foreign lands from a foreign people !!! wassat
    3. Alexey RA 23 January 2020 17: 30 New
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      Quote: Andrzej K

      Not enough good host. a backlog from the time of the USSR is clearly over.

      As for the Soviet reserve of 152 mm rounds in Ukraine - thanks to Obama:

      © On August 30, 2005, the future President of the United States, Barack Obama, visited Donetsk, where he watched the disposal of ammunition at the Donetsk State Chemical Products Plant.
      1. Andrzej k 23 January 2020 17: 47 New
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        it is criminal mismanagement.

        A country that voluntarily disarms, counting only on the union of others, in my opinion, is doomed to failure.

        Unfortunately, this applies not only to Ukraine :-(
  12. Amateur 22 January 2020 17: 34 New
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    So the Ukrainian army began to switch to a caliber of 155 mm and even began to produce barrels. We recently discussed this at VO and I got a whole bunch of minuses for doubting that their military industrial complex could produce such trunks. And here again 152 mm from the “damned Muscovite agressor”. This is a clear zrada (or peramoga?) From the enemies of the open. crying
    1. Kerensky 22 January 2020 17: 41 New
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      So the Ukrainian army began to switch to a caliber of 155 mm

      Here are the tricky ones! 152 Soviet reserves should be enough to shoot the existing trunks (well, if the warehouses will not burn again).
      So why do they need 152 RPs to make a fuss? Only if we throw!
      And they are "brand new" 155 will shoot from new trunks ...
      1. Andrzej k 22 January 2020 18: 53 New
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        I think that the numerous explosions in the ammunition depots slightly depleted their supplies.

        Ammunition is aging, but its production has already been under control. Not so long ago, Ukrainians boasted of new achievements in this area.

        In March 2018, UkrOboronProm announced the completion of the first stage of internal testing of 152-mm artillery shells manufactured exclusively by the domestic defense industry. The main manufacturer of artillery ammunition is the company DACHK Artem.

        And what ... it turned out that they couldn't even do this?
        This fall
        1. Gray brother 22 January 2020 18: 59 New
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          Quote: Andrzej K
          I think that the numerous explosions in the ammunition depots slightly depleted their supplies.

          Everything had already been stolen before them.
          1. Gray brother 22 January 2020 19: 51 New
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            The main motive for undermining the 65th arsenal is hiding UAH 560 million from checking the theft of ammunition.

            Excerpt from a certificate in criminal proceedings on the fact of the explosion on March 23, 2017 of the 65th arsenal of the TsRAU (military unit A1352) in the city of Balakleya, Kharkov region
            https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/4427305.html
          2. Andrzej k 22 January 2020 23: 24 New
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            OK Some were probably stolen, and fires were supposed to hide these flaws - sometimes this is common practice. Ammunition is also aging, but probably not shell shellsob. It would be better and cheaper to absorb the old ammunition. Change gunpowder, explosives, igniter.
            Even the manufacturer of the “new” can slightly roll the shells outside so that they can really simulate new ones
    2. LeonidL 22 January 2020 18: 32 New
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      Quote: Amateur
      This is a clear zrada (or peramoga?) From the enemies of the open.
      As always, this “zrado-peremoga” does not work out otherwise in Absurdistan. Buv "Maidan" so jumped right now Peremoga ... at a time potylytsy to scratch bo mabut then Bula pure Taka Zrada.
    3. mikstepanenko 22 January 2020 18: 32 New
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      We consider 152 according to the internal diameter of the rifling, they have 155 according to the outer, and the caliber is the same. The same applies to the shooter - 7,62 and 7,65. Of course there is a difference, but not in the diameter of the "pipe".
      1. Ryaruav 22 January 2020 20: 23 New
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        Mikhail, you’re wrong. The 6-inch caliber is the same for both Russia and Britain, and 155 is a purely Amerre caliber, with the land caliber being imposed on all Caucasoid dyundyuk
  13. LeonidL 22 January 2020 18: 29 New
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    What they won’t do is either a “hammer” or “damask steel”, or upon closer inspection, a cross between a sewing machine and an armored Cossack.
  14. Fishery 22 January 2020 18: 43 New
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    Well, apparently the machines bought from what it was, shells of 3 parts)) not from a good life, relying on the nomenclature of the machines, they probably do not like high-carbon steel .... in short, it was not so easy to reinvent the wheel again)))
  15. Vasyan1971 22 January 2020 19: 12 New
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    Well, thank God!
  16. Ryaruav 22 January 2020 19: 25 New
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    I, like everyone, are happy, but I am tormented by the question: how is everything with lace? hard to believe something
  17. faterdom 22 January 2020 19: 27 New
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    Let the round cores with a diameter of 152mm roll. There will be nuclear weapons.
  18. Ryaruav 22 January 2020 20: 17 New
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    I don’t remember 152mm grenades but 122mm of 462 are already written off all if for 50 years of ammunition
  19. cat Rusich 22 January 2020 20: 55 New
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    Each resident of Ukraine who began to serve in the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Hero of Ukraine ... a funeral at the expense of the "state".
  20. maidan.izrailovich 23 January 2020 06: 41 New
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    ... according to a specialist, threaten not only when shooting, but even storage.

    So this is the pink dream of the chiefs of the outskirts of the army. The main thing is to bring these shells to the warehouse before the start of the audit. lol