Disputes about the war: foreign media cross all boundaries of decency


The other day, the Asahi Shimbun Japanese newspaper accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of trying to distort history war. As expected, the editorial of the publication ends with the problem of the so-called "northern territories", which, according to Asahi, "arose as a result of the fact that Stalin concluded a secret agreement with Great Britain and the USA, on the basis of which he occupied the Kuril Islands."


At the direction of Washington?


However, the leitmotif of the article was Asahi’s objection to Putin after his words at the annual press conference, where he praised the scandalous resolution of the European Parliament: “It is shameful to put the USSR and Nazi Germany on a par”. The Japanese categorically disagree with this and gladly put on a par with the country that enslaved Europe, and the one that freed it from the enslavers.

Asahi repeats the interpretation of those long-standing events that was popular today among the uninhabited historians and politicians that Hitler attacked Poland in accordance with a secret agreement with Stalin “on the delimitation of spheres of influence in Eastern Europe. Then the Second World War began. ”

A simple and legitimate question arises: "Why should the Japanese national newspaper get involved in historical quarrels in Europe?" Moreover, Tokyo and Moscow have their own rather complicated political agenda. The answer was prompted by the Americans.

Shortly before Asahi, the American author Bloomberg published a lengthy article on the assessment of the outbreak of war. There it is written bluntly that Putin gives a new interpretation of the history of World War II. Like, it became his obsession.

The author is sympathetic to the historical activity of the Russian president. In his opinion, Putin sees how the "dominant narrative line about the war is turning around against Russia," and is trying to confront it.

Bloomberg does not like this, and the publication passes its verdict to Russia. It writes: “Throughout the Cold War and even in its worst years, the victorious alliance of the Soviet Union, the United States, Britain and France served as a reminder that cooperation is possible. But today there is a tendency to abandon this historical baggage and treat Russia as a criminal without any reservations. ” That's it!

After this American shamelessness, an editorial appears in the Japanese Asahi and at the same time an opus in the British Times under the heading "Vladimir Putin is trying to justify Russian history." It is noteworthy that the British publication devoted its article to the memorable date of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp.

It clumsily tries to explain why Poland and Israel celebrate the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the most terrible death camp, and concludes with the help of Polish propagandists: "Solemn events in Israel, initiated by Vyacheslav Kantor, a Russian-born oligarch."

The Times quotes the director of the Polish Institute for International Affairs, Slavomir Dembsky, that the celebrations in Israel are just “part of the ongoing Russian propaganda campaign on historical issues.”

A forecast that should not come true


The British edition concludes its historical verbiage with an assessment of the events that led to the outbreak of World War II. Chief among them, the Times writes, is "Stalin’s decision to enter into an alliance with Germany, which lasted almost two years until the time when Hitler attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941."

The historical consensus of the Western media points to a well-coordinated propaganda campaign. Its goals may be more serious than simply discredit Russia before the world.

The expert community is inclined to believe that the West would like to exclude the Soviet Union (Russia) from among the winning countries. Thus, to deprive him of his legitimate right to form a post-war world, and therefore to be the founder of the United Nations, to be on the UN Security Council on an ongoing basis.

Such a turn of events today seems incredible. But who can guarantee that it will not be implemented? After all, it was hard to imagine yesterday that the allies of the anti-Hitler coalition would lay the blame for unleashing the war on a country that had endured the main burdens of this hard times and freed Europe from fascism!
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Defense of the Stalingrad Tractor. The newspaper "Izvestia" No. 242 (7928) of October 14, 1942.
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  1. Bykov. 22 January 2020 17: 09 New
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    according to Asahi, "arose as a result of the fact that Stalin concluded a secret agreement with Great Britain and the USA, on the basis of which he occupied the Kuril Islands."

    Agya, so Stalin began to ask the opinions of London and Fashington. boo-ha-ha.
    1. Hunter 2 22 January 2020 17: 38 New
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      The Japanese have a selective memory ... I remember here - I don't remember here. And who occupied Our Sakhalin, who was kicked out of him in 1945? Who destroyed 35 million Chinese, enslaved Korea? Put medical experiments on prisoners of war? Attacked the USA in the end ??? How tired of this bark ... rejoice that you didn’t take Hokkaido am
      1. smart ass 22 January 2020 18: 03 New
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        Here you see what the problem is, if for 20 years you drive into the head that they won the WWII, then a whole generation will grow up convinced of this.
        1. figwam 22 January 2020 18: 07 New
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          What can the revision of World War II lead to? I think to the third and this is all done on purpose.
          1. cniza 22 January 2020 18: 24 New
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            Quote: figvam
            What can the revision of World War II lead to? I think to the third and this is all done on purpose.


            Yes, a proven way to start a new war, something is scratching the West.
          2. antivirus 22 January 2020 18: 41 New
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            I know not what my fault, but still ....
            will TrMV
            1. figwam 22 January 2020 18: 54 New
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              Quote: antivirus
              I know not what my fault, but still ....
              will TrMV

              There must be conditions for this, Putin has broken their plans with the creation of new weapons, and may not be.
              1. antivirus 22 January 2020 19: 16 New
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                Were you primarily involved with TrMV Russia?
                and start and deepen without the first powers?
                Smaller amount of oil - ore - Sun - water - pure air - lead for ultimatuvs of the main powers in the third row and to each other
                1. figwam 22 January 2020 20: 30 New
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                  Quote: antivirus
                  and start and deepen without the first powers?

                  Without the first powers, this is a regional conflict.
                  1. Range 22 January 2020 23: 37 New
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                    Japanese mother (I hope this is not a forbidden expression? If yes, then forgive me for not knowing.) What the "inventors" of virtual history do! It is necessary to declassify all materials about the war without regard to the lying foul-smelling West and post on the Internet the whole truth about who actually helped Germany and who arranged the provocations. In the end, who traded with Germany until the last days of the war and saved the Nazi criminals by taking them across the ocean.
                  2. antivirus 23 January 2020 08: 04 New
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                    and if there are a lot of them from different parts of the world: KSA + Pakistan + Brunei + Malaysia + Yapi (3-7 more) against Iran + India (with all the choirs, but against Pakistan like 41-45 g Yapy against the United States and not with the USSR ) + Ethiopia + Nigeria +? Brazil. where is Israel, where is Egypt, where are the Turks (5-15 million refugees to accept and not to bend the "source" of such troubles), and Yemen, Indonesia, Somalia, Kenya and Honduras (participated in the anti-Hitler ??) idr according to its export chain
                    everything is not clear. against all UNSCs (5 countries = consensus) should impose sanctions and what?
        2. avdkrd 22 January 2020 21: 52 New
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          Well, for 20 years you can even teach a Ukrainian that the outskirts are the leader of the scientific and technological progress of the globe. You can even teach that the globe of Ukraine is the main globe, and the rest are pathetic crafts ....
          And you are for yap ... They were not driven for 20 years, they were told 55 years old that it was not ASP that forced them to war by means of sanctions and embargoes, namely, the Russians treacherously regained their territories., Without leaving their military bases on their islands .
      2. cniza 22 January 2020 18: 25 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        rejoice that you didn’t take Hokkaido am


        That was a mistake, today would be less yapping.
      3. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 20: 43 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        The Japanese have a selective memory ... I remember here - I don't remember here

        And as if there was no axis "Berlin-Rome-Tokyo".
      4. Den717 23 January 2020 06: 47 New
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        Quote: Hunter 2
        How tired of this bark ...

        The Japanese were no less fanatical and war criminals than the Nazis from the SS. It is necessary to declassify and dump the materials on war crimes documented in the Far East according to the example of Polish documents. Do not take care of their "face." Let the people read and study photo documents, there is something to be horrified by. Including the people of other countries (in translation). Without documents and their wide publication it will be difficult to defend one’s position.
        1. 2 Level Advisor 23 January 2020 09: 35 New
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          in general, even large, and much more .. even German fascists, entire cities were not cut with cold steel .. and Japanese fascists easily ... but! for some reason they say less about their atrocities in the world ..
          1. JonnyT 23 January 2020 14: 53 New
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            Do not forget how Japanese soldiers with generals ate humane. American pilots know this firsthand
            1. mat-vey 23 January 2020 16: 07 New
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              The heart and liver of the enemy ... Type you take away the spirit and strength of the enemy.
        2. Tavrik 24 January 2020 08: 52 New
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          I agree. There is something to disclose to the Chinese comrades.
      5. krops777 23 January 2020 07: 34 New
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        The Japanese have a selective memory ... I remember here - I don't remember here.


        That’s for sure, they don’t want to also remember about their secret agreements with Great Britain and the USA which resulted in the Russo-Japanese war in 1904-1905.
      6. Fisherman 23 January 2020 13: 49 New
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        I agree. The Yapis forgot about their aggression and aggressive policies. Or, as they say, they still did it from the 30s onwards as a preemptive strike. Honestly, not funny.
      7. tank64rus 26 January 2020 20: 44 New
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        They also forgot about 20 tons of gold in Russia's gold reserves, which two Kolchak generals took out of it on a rainy day and put it in the Tokyo Imperial Bank. They wanted to live well, but apparently it was unlucky for half a year, one drowned in the sea, the second fell under a car in the same Tokyo, apparently I was looking for a long time the car is not now, but I found it. Gentlemen, samurai, so you have a big debt and with interest.
  2. svp67 22 January 2020 17: 09 New
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    Maybe it’s worth supporting China and considering the beginning of the Second World War on July 7, 1937, from the moment of the Japanese attack on China
    1. Catfish 22 January 2020 17: 19 New
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      I completely agree. I am surprised that our Foreign Ministry has not yet come out with China's support on this issue.
      1. Octopus 22 January 2020 18: 29 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Maybe it’s worth supporting China and considering the beginning of the Second World War on July 7, 1937, from the moment of the Japanese attack on China

        This position will not cause any particular protest. But it will not change the situation with the USSR in Europe 1939-1941.

        By the way, in China a little problem. Where is, say, the Halkin Goal? Whom and from whom was the Red Army liberated there? No matter how you step on the same rake as with Poland, excuse me.
        1. dmmyak40 22 January 2020 18: 37 New
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          Assisted allied Mongolia against hostile Japan.
          How Mongolia paid the USSR for help we all know: Meat, clothes, wool, horses, metal. And at the most difficult time for us: they tear themselves away from us, but they sent us. Thank you my country’s loyal ally in terrible years - Mongolia !!!
          1. Octopus 22 January 2020 18: 45 New
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            Quote: dmmyak40
            Assisted Allied Mongolia

            What kind of "union Mongolia"? What kind of country is this? Where did she come from, who recognized her? What did China think about her? And Chiang Kai-shek and Mao, by the way, thought alike.
            1. dmmyak40 22 January 2020 21: 52 New
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              A country like this is the Mongolian People’s Republic. The capital is Ulaanbaatar. You can find more detailed information in a large number of sources.
              What did China think about Mongolia? Mao himself and Chiang Kai-shek? Why are you interested in this? Any complexes related to the Chinese? Consult a specialist - I’m from a different field.
              I think that Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin had their opinion deeply side. Very deep...
              1. Octopus 23 January 2020 00: 49 New
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                Quote: dmmyak40
                I think that Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin had their opinion deeply side.

                Not only to Joseph Vissarionovich, you know. The history of Mongolia began under Nicholas, in this matter the old regime and Soviet power were united.
                Quote: dmmyak40
                Why are you interested in this?

                You see what the problem is. The so-called MPR is Chinese South Ossetia. Mao recognized her only in the 49th (although Mao was so inconsistent in this matter), the Chiang Kai-shek in general in 2002.
                Until the 49th year all the countries of the world considered Mongolia to be the occupied region of the USSR by China. And given the fact that Comrade Stalin put in Mongolia, as usual, a cannibal - comrade. Choibalsan - talking about the role of the USSR in the war in Asia can turn out to be very unpleasant. It was worth turning back to Poland to get this in the face.

                Well, one more problem. Modern Chinese, of course, are great communists and all that, but who Mao was is well understood. To trump the fact that it was the USSR that brought him to power - may not be in the suit.
          2. Karen 22 January 2020 18: 58 New
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            Quote: dmmyak40
            Thank you my country’s loyal ally in terrible years - Mongolia !!!

            For this reason, then Stalin did not allow the Chinese to seize Mongolia for themselves ...
        2. svp67 23 January 2020 06: 12 New
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          Whom and from whom was the Red Army liberated there?

          Excuse me, but really, whom did the Red Army suddenly release there? Maybe she was protecting someone there? And the USSR never hid its position, stating that it would defend the border of the MPR as its own, and this taking into account that the MPR only recognized the USSR by that time.
          1. Octopus 23 January 2020 08: 09 New
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            Quote: svp67
            given that the MPR is only the USSR and recognized by then

            Again. I would like to recall the LPR DPR, the name there does not coincide accidentally, but there is a better example.

            Let’s say there is Abkhazia, which everyone, except you, is considered part of Georgia. There is Adjara, which everyone, except Turkey, is considered part of Georgia. And so, Russian peacekeepers defend the Abkhaz People’s Republic from Turkish peacekeepers somewhere in the Poti region.

            I remind you, for the sake of completeness, that Comrade Stalin, for obvious reasons, appointed not thieves wherever he could, as they are doing now, but cannibals, respectively, in Abkhazia, behind the back of the Russian peacekeepers, there’s a completely repulsed comrade who conducts in the country directly sense of genocide, and with the direct participation of domestic personnel. In Europe, only friends of the USSR can be compared with him except the Albanian comrade Khoja. By the way, which specifically of the Mongolian people was defended there by the Red Army.

            In your opinion, what will the discussion of all these stories lead to now?
            1. svp67 23 January 2020 10: 57 New
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              In your opinion, what will the discussion of all these stories lead to now?

              I am quite normal, as to the History of my Fatherland.
              1. Octopus 23 January 2020 12: 54 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Stories of the Fatherland.

                Here you are right, you need to study history as it is. But the pathos of the article and discussion is that the USSR, according to Western Russophobes, is not completely in white. Actually, I would like to draw attention to the fact that Eastern Russophobes also have something to remember.

                And they constantly remember if someone missed for some reason. Comrade Mao even did not hesitate to send, to remind.
    2. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 21: 03 New
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      Quote: svp67
      Maybe it’s worth supporting China and considering the beginning of the Second World War on July 7, 1937, from the moment of the Japanese attack on China

      Of course that would be more correct. Europeans consider according to some sort of calendars and principles, forgetting about Munich, but China for them, as it was, did not exist at all. Chinese losses are comparable to the losses of the USSR. Millions of people have been destroyed, and now they are just like angels who descended from heaven.
  3. nm76 22 January 2020 17: 10 New
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    First, we open Mannerheim’s memorial plaques, and then we are offended by the whole world, in their attempt to rewrite history ...
    1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 17: 12 New
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      And the whole cinema funded by the state cinema is not a rewriting of history?
      1. nm76 22 January 2020 17: 18 New
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        I would add to this all sorts of military-patriotic idiocy, like a costume-marching procession of prisoners of concentration camps and other crap
        1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 17: 22 New
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          So this is creative ...
    2. Andrey Chistyakov 22 January 2020 17: 14 New
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      Quote: nm76
      First, we open Mannerheim’s memorial plaques, and then we are offended by the whole world, in their attempt to rewrite history ...

      The board has already been removed. And how long.
      1. prior 22 January 2020 17: 21 New
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        "Then the spoons were found, but the sediment remained" forever ...
      2. mat-vey 22 January 2020 17: 21 New
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        And all sorts of "four days in May", "penal battles" and "Rzhev" and strive to push into a box on May 9.
        1. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 21: 31 New
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          Quote: mat-vey
          And all sorts of "four days in May", "penal battles" and "Rzhev" and strive for May 9 to cram into a box

          And the "Stalingrad" Bondarchuk.
      3. nm76 22 January 2020 17: 21 New
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        I know what they took off, here I am talking about the precedent itself.
        1. Andrey Chistyakov 22 January 2020 17: 22 New
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          Quote: nm76
          I know what they took off, here I am talking about the precedent itself.

          You forgot about it. I think on purpose. And the fact that the precedent was not arguing.
          1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 17: 24 New
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            So then they shot it.
            1. Andrey Chistyakov 22 January 2020 17: 26 New
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              Quote: mat-vey
              So then they shot it.

              After the “memorial” board was regularly smashed. And then it came to someone that it was not necessary to hang it was originally.
              1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 17: 30 New
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                Yes, nothing "did not get" .... just the geese decided not to tease.
                1. Andrey Chistyakov 22 January 2020 17: 31 New
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                  Quote: mat-vey
                  Yes, nothing "did not get" .... just the geese decided not to tease.

                  The main thing is that they do not hang anymore.
                  1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 17: 34 New
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                    But something is doubtful that the very idea and the like were abandoned ...
              2. Alexey RA 22 January 2020 18: 21 New
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                Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                After the “memorial” board was regularly smashed. And then it came to someone that it was not necessary to hang it was originally.

                Yes, everything was clear to everyone right away. It was just that everyone was trying to shove this smelly bomb to each other: the center claimed that such issues were in the competence of the city authorities. and the city replied that since the feds were opening, then they should be filmed. And everyone was waiting - and suddenly the priest sovereign will publicly say - that it is proper for every sovereign to think about this board and what to do. laughing
                However, the city authorities and city branches of federal departments expressed their attitude right away - this can be seen from the way they “actively” protected the board from caring citizens.
                On the one hand, in a couple of quarters there is the "Big House" (the one from which Kolyma is visible), on the other - the consulate quarter. Surveillance cameras on every home. Silent white night. But no one saw or heard how the board is straightened with a sledge hammer.
      4. solzh 22 January 2020 17: 44 New
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        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        The board has already been removed. And how long.

        But for some reason this is unknown.
      5. kiril1246 23 January 2020 19: 36 New
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        Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
        The board has already been removed. And how long.

        Is the monument to Krasnov still standing?
    3. Dmitry Potapov 22 January 2020 17: 16 New
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      And Kolya’s boy was ugly.
      1. nm76 22 January 2020 17: 25 New
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        Kolya is the second Lilia Akhidzhakova ...
        Forgive us fascists)))
        1. Cetron 22 January 2020 21: 38 New
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          Kohl, the son of his parents and the pupil of his teachers - this is where the real viper is! There it is necessary to put the floor of the area to the wall, but the times are not the same, everyone only expresses concern.
    4. jovanni 22 January 2020 18: 15 New
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      Quote: nm76
      First, we open Mannerheim’s memorial plaques, and then we are offended by the whole world, in their attempt to rewrite history ...

      Quite right, and still regularly in various television programs they invite moral monsters such as all kinds of amnuels who calmly pour the crap of our grandfathers who defeated the Nazis. And their place is not in a warm studio, but in a logging ...
    5. tihonmarine 22 January 2020 21: 30 New
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      Quote: nm76
      First, we open the Mannerheim memorial plaques at our place, and then we are offended by the whole world in their attempt to rewrite history.

      We place monuments for Italians, even Germans. Yes, and how many anti-patriotic films have been delivered. It is necessary to put in place all these Russophobes, first in their own country.
  4. Blue fox 22 January 2020 17: 11 New
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    Well, if today the “samurai” put the USSR and Nazi Germany on a par, then tomorrow they will say that Detachment 731 was actually developing perfumes. This must be punished immediately, or at least how to deal with the publication of documents on the liberation of Poland by Soviet soldiers. Who are the following? Suomilaines? So they have something to publish.
    1. Alexey RA 22 January 2020 18: 26 New
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      Quote: Blue Fox
      Well, if today the “samurai” put the USSR and Nazi Germany on a par, then tomorrow they will say that Detachment 731 was actually developing perfumes.

      Take it higher - we will find out soon. that Detachment 731, aka "General Directorate for Water Supply and Prevention of the Kwantung Army", vigilantly guarded the water resources of Manchuria. And he guarded them from evil red saboteurs who constantly tried to poison the civilians of Manchuria and the white and fluffy Japanese, pouring all kinds of poisons and pathogens into them.
  5. Dmitry Potapov 22 January 2020 17: 14 New
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    Can the Japanese remind Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It seems to me that they have somehow forgotten whose ally they were during WWII
    1. Catfish 22 January 2020 17: 18 New
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      So their last generation is absolutely sure that Stalin dropped a bomb on them, to talk to them in vain.
      1. Dym71 22 January 2020 17: 37 New
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        So their last generation is absolutely sure that a / bomb on them was dropped by Stalin

        They know everything, they simply prefer to include a "fool" in this regard.
        1. cniza 22 January 2020 18: 22 New
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          And they know from childhood, and then politicians are cheating.
      2. maximaniak 23 January 2020 08: 46 New
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        They were bombed by anyone, even dolphins, but not Americans. In one American cartoon, this is described in detail)))
    2. Kuroneko 22 January 2020 17: 59 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Can the Japanese remind Hiroshima and Nagasaki? It seems to me that they have somehow forgotten whose ally they were during WWII

      - What is the difference between the Japanese and the Russians?
      - The Russians still hate the United States for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
      1. Mihail2019 22 January 2020 18: 34 New
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        "I'm not vindictive - I'm just angry, and I have a good memory!"
        It’s just that Hiroshima and Nagasaki are perceived only in the Western world in the Carlson style: "yes nothing, it’s everyday life!" We perceive this as an act of genocide. It is strange that yapps are so short-lived - although they have long been honored to die for the glory of Mikado ..
        But the Germans with the French, who actually lost a bunch of capable populations in the first and second world wars, became more flexible and wiser.
        I am silent about cowboys - they have never seen invaders on their land, they only became richer from any world war. That’s why the greyhounds were there until we created ICBMs with thermonuclear warheads - then these lovers suddenly got cow tails and the organ in the cranium started working, and not just the ambition.
    3. dvina71 22 January 2020 18: 25 New
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      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Can the Japanese remind Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

      X and H were the last two major cities that were not destroyed by air raids .. Half a million tons of high-explosive bombs were dropped in Tokyo .. Given that the Japanese cities were from r and n then ... they burned tremendously .. and the casualties in people were just huge ..
      The topic of atomic bombing surfaced at the turn of the 70s ... at the same time when they began to pedal the "nuclear winter" .. they did not stand out against the background of high-explosive bombings .. Even more so ... in N. The destruction was not as great as in X. There are still funny fact .. a 90 year old man recently died ... he survived the bombardment of H., left from there to N ... and there he came under attack ...
  6. Dmitry Potapov 22 January 2020 17: 18 New
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    It is necessary to erect a sculpture of 200 tons in the Kuril Islands in the form of a certain organ and direct it towards Japan, maybe they will understand.
  7. frizzy 22 January 2020 17: 19 New
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    But if Stalin and Hitler came together, what would remain of England and the USA? I would like to read an article or even sell a thin piece on this subject.
    1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 17: 26 New
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      “But if Stalin and Hitler were united” - this, in principle, is not possible.
      1. verp19 22 January 2020 17: 45 New
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        Quote: mat-vey
        “But if Stalin and Hitler were united” - this, in principle, is not possible.


        What were Stalin and Hitler between August 1939 and June 1941?
        1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 17: 48 New
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          And what were they?
        2. Alexey RA 22 January 2020 18: 36 New
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          Quote: verp19
          What were Stalin and Hitler between August 1939 and June 1941?

          The same as the Allies and the Reich before September 1, 1939: neutrality, but with suspicion. It seemed to one that it was worth turning back to the USSR, to Britain before - and the Russian steam skating rink would immediately sign for themselves. And for the other, that the Reich immediately after resolving the British question in one way or another will immediately attack the USSR. Therefore, both sides tried to squeeze maximum out of neutrality as soon as possible.
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      The main antonianists communists and fascists united, it’s funny.
    3. Octopus 22 January 2020 18: 35 New
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      I wanted to read an article or even sales on this subject.

      It was discussed on specialized resources. Britain and the USA have no real problems with respect to real; neither Germany nor the USSR has a fleet. Unless in the Middle East there could be serious changes.

      But the idea is strange. Natural allies were Germany and the United States. Germany and the USSR were natural enemies.
      1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 18: 43 New
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        Natural enemies for the USSR were all the capitalists of the Earth ..
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          Natural enemies for the USSR were all the capitalists of the Earth ..

          You are absolutely right.

          The USSR was an enemy of Britain and the United States from the first to the last day of its existence. But since the topic of WWII history in Europe is peddled by Poles, who are not close to the topic of inter-allied relations, this, much more dangerous part of history for present-day Russia, has not yet been discussed.
  8. Hagakure 22 January 2020 17: 20 New
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    Softly Joseph Vissarionovich treated both Germany and Japan ... softly ...
    1. lwxx 22 January 2020 17: 30 New
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      Exactly how much the situation allowed at that time. Do not forget the partners already had an "unthinkable" plan and an atomic bomb. We already took almost to the maximum.
      1. Gardamir 22 January 2020 17: 38 New
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        These partners have become the current government.
        1. lwxx 22 January 2020 17: 46 New
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          It’s hard to call allies, we fought more, they traded more. And with all sides.
          1. maden.usmanow 22 January 2020 21: 26 New
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            It’s ridiculous. Just the Soviet Union and traded all 30 years with Germany. At the official level. In the USA and Britain were separate company separatethat traded.
            1. Ramzaj99 22 January 2020 22: 24 New
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              Quote: maden.usmanow
              Funny.

              Yes, not a fig is not funny. The Americans openly and unashamedly traded with Germany until the 44th year.
              The same Henry Ford was the largest capitalist and a member of many political circles, but this did not stop him from openly supporting the Nazis and without interference helping them and selling aircraft engines, trucks and cars, which were put into service by the Wehrmacht. The same situation was with oil and high-octane gasoline, which was sold until 44 years old. Standard oil, General Electric, the same Ford and dozens of companies traded with Hitler quite openly and with the knowledge of the authorities.
              The presidential decree of December 13, 1941 allowed such transactions, doing business with enemy companies, if there was no special ban from the Treasury of America. American banks in the late 30s and before the outbreak of the war invested $ 800 million in industry and the financial system of Germany. During the war, on some ships Lend-Lease was brought to the USSR, and on others through South America and Argentina, steel, engines, aviation fuel, rubber, radio components to Germany.
              And who after this is a trader and war hero ??? !!!
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                Quote: Ramzaj99
                assist them and sell aircraft engines without interference

                )))
                Ford's aircraft engines are Rolls-Royce Merlin. Ford Trafford Park Factory is Britain’s second largest aircraft engine plant.
                Quote: Ramzaj99
                trucks and cars, entered the arsenal of the Wehrmacht.

                Trucks and cars were produced in factories nationalized by Hitler.
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                The same situation was with oil and high octane gasoline, which was sold until 44 years old.

                Even neutral States could not supply oil through the British blockade. To draw this topic, the conspirator Hiam, whom you retell, calls the English non-combatant ally Spain - the German ally, after which he calls the deliveries of oil products to the Reich.
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                General Electric, the same Ford and dozens of companies traded with Hitler quite openly and with the knowledge of the authorities.
                U.S. Presidential Decree of December 13, 1941

                Naturally, neutral US traded with whom they considered necessary. This, in fact, is the idea of ​​neutrality. As for the decree of December 13, you can try to find it here
                https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents
                Oh yes,
                None of the ordinary citizens of the "land of freedom" knew about this decree and its additions; it was not published in the press

                Very convenient.
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                American banks in the late 30s and before the outbreak of the war invested $ 800 million in industry and the financial system of Germany.

                What is your problem?
                Quote: Ramzaj99
                During the war, on some ships Lend-Lease was brought to the USSR, and on others through South America and Argentina, steel, engines, aviation fuel, rubber, radio components to Germany.

                How can all this get from South America to Germany? Do you think this is nearby?
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                And who after this is a trader and war hero ??? !!!

                You will not list all. At the moment, we are talking about the activities of the USSR.
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                You completely distort the picture of events.

                There was no communism in the USA. This is not the Soviet Union.
                You give out the interests of individual groups private business, for the official position of the United States.
                December 11, 1941 Germany declares war on the United States, point.
                You do not need to consider Americans idiots, and leave these nonsense about German Lend-Lease to Starikova or whom you read there. Read the chronicle american ships sunken German submarines.
                1. Ramzaj99 23 January 2020 09: 05 New
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                  Read the chronicle of American ships sunk by German submarines.

                  Read the chronicle of American ships sunk by German submarines and where and where these ships went drowned, and where tankers with oil under American flags passed unhindered.
                  No need to consider Americans idiots

                  Nobody considers them idiots. This is a nation that is used to trading war and war. It has always been so in all wars since the First World War.
      2. Octopus 22 January 2020 18: 36 New
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        We already took almost to the maximum.

        )))
        What does "almost" mean?
        1. lwxx 22 January 2020 21: 21 New
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          As in that joke, more than they could, but less than they wanted.
          1. Octopus 22 January 2020 21: 27 New
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            Well, they took it almost without it, until the partners began to hint transparently. Then they rolled back Vienna, Port Arthur, and even the little things here and there. And then basically Khrushchev already.
  9. AlexVas44 22 January 2020 17: 20 New
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    The Japanese categorically disagree with this and gladly put on a par with the country that enslaved Europe, and the one that freed it from the enslavers.

    Does the concept of the axis Berlin-Rome-Tokyo mean nothing to the Japanese? This alliance very much provided for the division of the world to maintain a “lasting peace." Japan fully recognized the leadership of Italy and Germany in establishing a "new order" in Europe.
    Not really good with memory, however.
    1. verp19 22 January 2020 17: 51 New
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      Does the concept of the axis Berlin-Rome-Tokyo mean nothing to the Japanese?


      "From a recording of a conversation between V.M. Molotov and F. Schulenburg

      November 25 1940 city

      Comrade Molotov reports on the conditions on which the Soviet Union agrees to accept basically the draft pact of the 4 powers (i.e. to create the axis Berlin-Rome-Moscow-Tokyo, approx.), And also speaks of the conclusions that come from this message ... "
      1. solzh 22 January 2020 18: 12 New
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        AND? Young man, why don’t you give the conditions under which the USSR would join the Fourth Pact?
        Here are some of the conditions:
        1. If the German troops are now withdrawn from Finland, representing the sphere of influence of the USSR, according to the Soviet-German agreement of 1939, and the USSR is obligated to ensure peaceful relations with Finland, as well as the economic interests of Germany in Finland (export of timber, nickel);

        2. If the security of the USSR in the Straits is ensured in the coming months by concluding a pact of mutual assistance between the USSR and Bulgaria, which is geographically located in the sphere of security of the Black Sea borders of the USSR, and organizing a military and naval base of the USSR in the Bosphorus and Dardanelles on a long-term basis rent;

        3. If the area south of Batum and Baku in the general direction to the Persian Gulf will be recognized as the center of gravity of the aspiration of the USSR;

        4. If Japan relinquishes its concession rights for coal and oil in Northern Sakhalin with fair compensation
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          Quote: solzh
          Here are some of the conditions

          And which of these, except paragraph 4, do you consider a crime?
          1. solzh 22 January 2020 21: 09 New
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            What a crime? Where do you see the crime? What are you talking about? Please specify your question, I do not quite understand it.
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              1. If the German troops are now withdrawn from Finland, representing the sphere of influence of the USSR, according to the Soviet-German agreement of 1939, and the USSR undertakes to ensure peaceful relations with Finland, as well as the economic interests of Germany in Finland (export of timber, nickel);

              2. If the security of the USSR in the Straits is ensured in the coming months by concluding a pact of mutual assistance between the USSR and Bulgaria, located in its geographical position in the field of security of the Black Sea borders of the USSR, and the organization of the military and naval base of the USSR in the Bosphorus and Dardanelles on a long-term rental basis;

              3. If the region to south of Batum and Baku in the general direction to the Persian Gulf;

              4. If Japan relinquishes its concession rights for coal and oil in Northern Sakhalin with fair compensation


              Paragraphs 1-2-3. Which countries do they relate to? What is their position on these issues? What measures could the high contracting parties enforce their decisions?

              You do not seem to understand. Russophobes, with whom the author of the article is so indignant, that's exactly the same They say that you too.
              1. solzh 22 January 2020 21: 25 New
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                Russophobia

                Well it is necessary. Whoever they just didn’t appoint me, they didn’t call me on the Internet, but so that Russophobe is the first time laughing
                Oh well.
                Now about the question.
                No, I do not see in this any corpus delicti. I see in this whole story, only that the Soviet government acts in accordance with the national interests of the USSR to ensure the safety of its citizens. Everything else is not interesting. The main thing is the security of the country and its citizens.
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                  national interests of the USSR to ensure the safety of its citizens.

                  No, that position will not work. You do not explain outside of Russia (and in Russia, far from explain to everyone) that Comrade Stalin treated the citizens of the USSR with some warmth.
                  1. solzh 22 January 2020 21: 44 New
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                    You do not explain outside of Russia

                    To whom should we explain? Let them explain to us why they are from the 1917 revolution, I don’t take the more ancient times of the 15th or 19th centuries, they wanted to enslave and dismember our Motherland.
                    Quote: Octopus
                    (and in Russia, far from explain to everyone) that Comrade Stalin treated the citizens of the USSR with some warmth

                    I agree. There are enough of those who do not understand. I can only sympathize with them, because their head is clogged with anti-Soviet propaganda.
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                      Quote: solzh
                      Let them explain to us why they are starting from the 1917 revolution, I don’t take the more ancient times of the 15th or 19th centuries, they wanted to enslave and dismember our Motherland.


                      And in what exact way did Finland, Poland, the Caucasus, Central Asia suddenly become your homeland? AT
                      Quote: solzh
                      more ancient times of the 15th or 19th centuries
                      they became frequent RI.
                      Who wanted there
                      Quote: solzh
                      enslave and dismember
                      ?

                      In 1945 The USSR swallowed Eastern Europe - thank God for a period of little historical measures. Also for security reasons of course. From whom, however? In the year 45?

                      And from whom exactly did Stalin want to protect the USSR in the straits in 1940 and in 45
                      Stalin wanted a base in the Bosphorus from Hitler before the war and from the allies after the war.

                      What does it mean "If the center of gravity of the aspiration of the USSR will be recognized as the area south of Batum and Baku in the general direction to the Persian Gulf;"
                      Can human be explained without Soviet propaganda?
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  10. frizzy 22 January 2020 17: 20 New
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    There may be such people who fantasize on this subject.
    1. Alexey RA 22 January 2020 18: 38 New
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      There may be such people who fantasize on this subject.

      Yes, alternatives on the union of the USSR and Germany-a dime a dozen. It’s just that the Führer in them is either killed early (or not too late) (in especially humane cases - along with the entire top of the party, at some congress), or a popadan is instilled into him. laughing
  11. 1536 22 January 2020 17: 22 New
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    These Japanese villains who write and say this nonsense, you can’t say otherwise! Insidious, greedy villains who forgot the crimes of their people during the Second World War. They would be cautious after the American atomic bombings, but no, with an enviable constancy in Japan, the spirit of militarism and revanchism is reviving. And there is nothing for them to do in the Kuril Islands!
  12. prior 22 January 2020 17: 25 New
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    I repeat.
    There was good experience - forcing Georgia to peace.
    It would be necessary to apply this experience to those who disagree with history.
    They should be subject to nuclear coercion to recognize historical truth.
    Those who want to clog up the air then will need to look in the afternoon with fire ....
    1. verp19 22 January 2020 17: 43 New
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      It would be necessary to apply this experience to those who disagree with history.


      What story, however?
      From the story of Lenin or Stalin. Or Khrushchev. Maybe dear Leonid Ilyich?
      How many times in Soviet times did history rewrite? And specifically the history of WWII?
      So please tell me which Soviet history textbook should be considered sacred? Or which edition of Memoirs and Reflections? And then descend
      Quote: prior
      apply nuclear coercion
      1. Alexey RA 22 January 2020 18: 43 New
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        In vain, citizens and comrades are minus.
        Despite the manner of supplying the material, the fact was said correctly: to determine the deviation from the general line, it would be nice to first determine this general line. And then, with regard to our own history, we still have complete pluralism (among officials, often even within the same head), publicity and new thinking.
        1. depressant 22 January 2020 21: 04 New
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          Here I agree.
          One "curtain" of the Mausoleum on May 9 is worth. But this is a signal to the Western "partners" whether Putin wanted to send him or did not want to. The signal looks like that, they say, we dissociated ourselves from the past, now we are different. "Partners" this and other signals like a plaque in St. Petersburg and the well-kept Nazi cemeteries on our territory were perceived as a recognition of a certain "sinfulness" in the behavior of the political leadership of the USSR in the WWII era, allowing a different interpretation of its results. Russia, as represented by its current leader, is as if ashamed of its past. Such short-sighted steps of Putin, for example, made me think that Putin divided the history of Russia before and after the 91st, evaluating sharply negatively what came before. Putin seemed to have forgotten that there is a population in the country that remembers everything and, understanding his history correctly, the president will never forgive such “forgetfulness”. The West, very often brazenly embellishing its history, calling black white, took all these signs as a servility to it, as a fawning due to the supposedly weakness of our country. I believe that Putin needs to work more carefully on the line of his behavior. We are not Gabon, not Zimbabwe, we are a power with a great past and nuclear weapons. Because the whole world is looking at Putin. As well as Trump and others like that. More dignity, Mr. President! We chose you not to be ashamed of the past of your homeland. Of course, your political mistakes are only a small part of what leads to unjustified and increasing pressure on Russia every year, but it may happen that something bad happens in the people's minds, these mistakes will become the main accusatory argument against you. People will say: "He lay down under the West, and now they have received!"
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            I was forced to think that Putin divided the history of Russia into before and after the 91st,

            He emphasized the year is not the 91st, but the year one thousand nine hundred and seventeen ... This is when he asked the logical question: "Have you watched the film" Who paid Lenin "?"
            1. depressant 22 January 2020 22: 53 New
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              Colleague, I just outlined my impressions. I have them, and others - with other people. I have lived in the Caucasus for many years. There, it would never occur to anyone to speak badly of their relatives, parents. Even if, say, a father or brothers are bandits (what happens), or simply unworthy people. And even more so, try to tell someone that his parents are bad people. Even if this is true, they will not just not understand you - it is fraught. And about the republic so to speak or about its history! ... Listen - solid grandeur. What is most surprising, the same thing is happening now in the West. Germany has long ceased to repent, and now try to poke her nose into the criminal past; Polish ambition ascended to heaven; the rest are also franticly puffing beyond measure, presenting to the city and the world their history with a bunch of radiant valor. The times of self-criticism are becoming a thing of the past, and the time is coming for cheers. "Three comrades" no one will write. And that scares me. Do you know when this was noted in world history? Before the war.
          2. verp19 23 January 2020 10: 23 New
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            Quote: depressant
            as a recognition of a certain “sinfulness” in the behavior of the political leadership of the USSR in the WWII era, allowing a different interpretation of its results. Russia, as represented by its current leader, is as if ashamed of its past.


            Are you sure that "sinfulness" was not?
            I don’t know ... in the courtyard is the 76st century, full of information. Maybe all the same, a little need to move away from the training manuals of the sample of XNUMX years.? And he will face the truth, no matter how unpleasant it is.

            WWII Results ...
            For you, they are too "correct", but in fact the role of the USSR is quite inappropriate.
  13. Sergei 23 22 January 2020 17: 26 New
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    freed Europe from fascism! old Europe and under Hitler was not bad except for the Jews.
    1. verp19 23 January 2020 10: 29 New
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      old Europe and under Hitler was not bad except for the Jews.

      Your thesis is also a distortion of history. According to Samsonov, the “fascist European Union” and “pro-NATO” attacked the USSR in the 41st.
  14. knn54 22 January 2020 17: 29 New
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    In Japan, unlike Germany, war criminals are still honored. Including the leadership of Detachment 731.
    The rabble was excited before the anniversary of the Victory.
    The British should ask one simple question: WHEN will the documents of the pre-war and war period be declassified?
    And with the Japanese you have to act like with the Poles, declassify as many documents as possible. Not enough of their own, there are China, North Korea.
    1. mat-vey 22 January 2020 17: 36 New
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      So the Americans in post-war Japan put a lot of former war criminals to lead .. Yes, and now their descendants and successors in the lead ..
      1. Octopus 22 January 2020 18: 40 New
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        Quote: mat-vey
        Americans in post-war Japan put a lot of former war criminals to lead ..

        Americans in post-war Japan did not begin to change the head of state. Hirohito was emperor until 1989 (eighty-ninth), he almost survived the USSR, such an irony.

        And this, of course, was the right decision.
  15. Gardamir 22 January 2020 17: 44 New
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    And how long has the best foreign politician blamed the Union for everything, repented to the Poles, Mannerheim did not like a dash, the Molotov pact did not like. And the fact that on May 9 the Mausoleum with the colors of the Russland division is painted in fine. For 20 years, I realized no that the whole history of Russia is one.
  16. Andrey VOV 22 January 2020 17: 45 New
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    It is necessary to adopt a law on criminal liability for willful distortion of the history of the Great Patriotic War, and for statements of the likes that the Prime Minister of Poland and all sorts of likes allow himself to impose sanctions, in this case we can take the example from Trump, the point is that sanctions are not so
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      Trump, the essence of what is wrong is sanction and all

      How are you going to apply sanctions to Poland? Are you aware that the Druzhba oil pipeline goes through Poland?
      1. Andrey VOV 22 January 2020 20: 25 New
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        Pipe pipe, not a single pipe, to completely close our market, for example, from their goods, since there is something to replace.
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          Quote: Andrey VOV
          completely, for example, our market from their goods, since there is something to replace.

          2% Poland's exports 2017 - 224 billion, including 5 billion to Russia.
          1. Andrey VOV 23 January 2020 08: 42 New
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            Well, to deprive them of these 5 yards. Yes, a little, but still better than stupidly express concern and there are verbal protests there ......
            1. Octopus 23 January 2020 09: 05 New
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              How to tell you. Export from Russia to Poland 30 billion
    2. Reserve officer 22 January 2020 22: 00 New
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      Andrey, there is such a law.
      "1. The denial of the facts established by the verdict of the International Military Tribunal for the trial and punishment of the main war criminals of the European Axis countries, the approval of the crimes established by the specified verdict, as well as the dissemination of knowingly false information about the activities of the USSR during the Second World War, committed in public, shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of up to three hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of the wage or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to two years, or by forced labor for a period of up to three years, or by deprivation of his baits for the same period.
      2. The same acts committed by a person using his official position or using the media, as well as artificially creating evidence of the prosecution, shall be punishable by a fine in the amount of one hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles or in the amount of wages or other income of the convicted person a period of one year to three years, either by forced labor for a term of up to five years, or by imprisonment for the same term as
      deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for up to three years. "

      President of the Russian Federation V.Putin
      Moscow Kremlin
      5 May 2014 years
      N 128-ФЗ
      1. Andrey VOV 23 January 2020 08: 41 New
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        But somehow it doesn’t work ... I haven’t heard about landing under this law
  17. Rostislav 22 January 2020 17: 53 New
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    Maybe they will finally cease to call our partners all in a row?
  18. cniza 22 January 2020 18: 08 New
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    The expert community is inclined to believe that the West would like to exclude the Soviet Union (Russia) from among the winning countries. Thus, to deprive him of his legitimate right to form a post-war world, and therefore to be the founder of the United Nations, to be on the UN Security Council on an ongoing basis.


    That is what they will achieve, how to resist? Just the truth, to open archives and poke their nose, they do not know what we have and what documents we captured in Germany.
    1. Azim77 23 January 2020 15: 41 New
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      “On the delimitation of spheres of influence in Eastern Europe. Then began the Second World War

      And what do you mean by "World War"? There were many skirmishes, conflicts, wars between countries, but what exactly does “World” mean? The answer to this question is the start date of the Second World War and the definition of its instigators. Is the declaration of war by England and France (at the same time Australia, India and others) Germany in September 1939 is not the beginning of the World War? Then Canada, Africa declared war on Germany, Japan attacked China! And this is in 1939! Or is only the intervention of the USSR (Russia) considered the beginning of the Great War? No, really. For the USSR, the real war began in July 1941 and is the Great Patriotic War. But World War I was already raging with might and main.
  19. parusnik 22 January 2020 18: 10 New
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    Chief among them, the Times writes, is "Stalin’s decision to enter into an alliance with Germany, which lasted almost two years until the time when Hitler attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941."
    ... So from 1991 to today they write about this in Russia, and in the year 2012, the guarantor condemned the Moscow Treaty of 1939 with its agreements in front of all Europe ... We come to the point that real Russia will be equated with non-existent Nazi Germany ... And there are shifts to this, the same Crimean sanctions ...
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  21. 30143 22 January 2020 19: 21 New
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    Psychosis went ...
    In Europe, too, people all remember, as we do, no matter what!
    I already exhibited a photo of how and who is restoring Treptow Park. Russia has nothing to do with it.
    A fresh example from Freedom Square in Budapest.



    And the monument itself



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    If the USA and England were allies of the USSR, according to the flawed logic of these nonsense, they can also be considered accomplices of the Nazis, but in fact, it is so, the Anglo-Saxons nurtured Hitler.
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      , they, too, can be considered accomplices of the Nazis, but in fact, the way it is, the Anglo-Saxons nurtured Hitler.

      Well, you see. And you agree with flawed logic. But the Poles are trying not to hurt Britain and the USA, they are smart enough. Unlike.
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        The British, for example, have always controlled Polish politics ...
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        Why I agree. I expose the hypocrites.
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    The Japanese have no words at all, kicked the samurai spirit with a bomb, now a whole nation is creeping in front of its masters - USA
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    Verbiage is not a desire to face the truth, that’s what are the “moral” criteria of the current, arrogant “historians”. When a person has lost his conscience, it is useless to discuss with him any moral criteria.
  25. Octopus 22 January 2020 19: 51 New
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    Extremely superficial article. Some small fuss.

    1.Asahi. I will not say, I am not interested in what they wrote there. But the idea that Comrade Stalin secretly agreed with someone there is surprising. As if someone in the whole world didn’t give a damn about the territorial integrity of Japan.
    2. The Times. The article is rather strange. At the beginning and at the end, it is about the Holocaust, but the whole middle is dedicated to Putin and Stalin.
    It is important to understand the following. In Europe, all deeply shit on WWII. It hurts and itches only in Poland. Therefore, in many ways, Europe’s position on WWII events is a position formulated by Poland. Apart from Poland, no one wants to talk about this topic.
    And Poland has a lot to say.
    "Trying to whitewash the role of the USSR in World War II, Putin wants to legitimize the authoritarian regime in Russia and justify Russia's aggressive actions on the world stage, including the illegal annexation of Crimea and the invasion of Ukraine, carried out according to the scenario of Stalin," said Slawomir Debski ), Director of the Polish Institute of International Relations.

    https://www.google.ru/amp/s/inosmi.ru/amp/politic/20200121/246659842.html?espv=1

    Poland for a long time on this stage, songs about the Second World War became a considerable source of income (especially they like to sing them, of course, Germany). So they are well accustomed to the context. At the same time, coats from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, with their bazaar rudeness, are simply not interesting. There is no one to talk about with him.

    3. Bloomberg. The unnamed author of the Bloomberg column is Leonid Davydovich Bershidsky, a man very famous in Russian journalistic circles. Tolerast and the national traitor, as usual. Promotes homosexuality and drug addiction among children, first of all.

    In Bloomberg, it’s well written and to the point.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-10/putin-s-latest-obsession-rewriting-world-war-ii

    Key points.
    1. Victory in WWII is extremely important for today's Russia. As a result of the WWII, the USSR received and the Russian Federation inherited not only the preferences that have survived until now - the UN Security Council is talking about, but also moral authority, the right to say what is good and what is bad. This right is also extremely significant for Mr. Putin.

    2. For a long time, even in the worst years of the twentieth century, the great powers kept the memory of the Victory as a bright moment, when they stood shoulder to shoulder against absolute evil. It suited everyone, but.

    With the increasing role of Eastern Europe in a European concert, Poland became the first violin on the WWII theme. This topic interests her much more than France and Britain. Poland had no Great Victory shoulder to shoulder. Poland had Nazism attacks и Stalinism. Accordingly, just such a wording, separated by commas, began to be found more and more often until, finally, it was passed in last year’s resolution of the European Parliament. Adopted on the initiative of Poland, but by an overwhelming majority.

    3. Mr. Putin feels that in such cases the USSR is already some kind of not such a winner, not a winner at all, but simply a disadvantage. And here the events of 75 years ago can very well come around now. In places where they still personally accept it, they will simply begin to beat. As one example, B. Johnson's statement that one of his illusions was that cooperation with Russia is possible. No impossible.

    Against this background, Mr. Putin suddenly personally rushed to defend historical memory. Specifically, to tell what kind of Poles a pig is, and make friends with Jews, since Jews will never agree that the Poles are such innocent victims. The Foreign Ministry rushed into the same battle.

    4. It is not the business of Mr. Putin and the Foreign Ministry to deal with history. The more actively they do this, the more disgusting it will all look. There has been something in history that deserves pride and that deserves repentance and atonement.

    Only the Germans agree with the last sentence, as far as I can tell.
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      1.Asahi. I will not say, I am not interested in what they wrote there. But the idea that Comrade Stalin secretly agreed with someone there is surprising ....

      not only secretly, but it became known after the war, the Japanese did not know until the last whether the USSR would enter the war against them
      http://hrono.ru/dokum/194_dok/194502krym.php
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      1. Octopus 23 January 2020 08: 21 New
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        Quote: Leopold Ruchkin
        Putin does not touch. He is ours.

        Together, and you will rake.

        Western insignificance is very afraid that their cowardly pushing towards the Great Putin can be understood as some displeasure towards the Holy Russian People. Always make a reservation that they are for good Russian people against bad Putin. Because the people cannot be bad, and whoever says that is Hitler.

        So the Poles have a different opinion at the expense of the Russian people. They fully understand the principle of collective guilt. How far they will be able to advance this opinion in Europe - time will tell.
  26. Operator 22 January 2020 19: 52 New
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    Of course, you can exclude the Russian Federation (the successor of the USSR) from the list of participants in the Anti-Hitler coalition and the winners of WWII on paper (tolerate paper), but from the UN members and permanent members of the UN Security Council - only through the UN corpse.
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      only through the corpse of the UN.

      What is your problem?
      1. Liam 22 January 2020 20: 13 New
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        The UN has long been a corpse.
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        The UN Charter does not spell out the procedure for expelling a permanent member of the UN Security Council from an organization. Therefore, the only way to achieve such a result is to exit from the UN all those who wish not to be in the same international organization as the Russian Federation.

        So forward and with the song - and the Russian Federation with its nuclear potential (capable of destroying everyone at retail and in bulk) will somehow survive this incident bully
        1. Octopus 22 January 2020 21: 07 New
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          It’s funny to you, but some kind of agreement between the USA, Europe and China on some instrument more effective than the UN Security Council is apparently inevitable. But not close.
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            Yes, for God's sake - for now, even without us they can’t even meet in Libya (with Putin looking into the eyes, squats and whispering) laughing
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              without us even meeting in Libya

              1. And who and why was this meeting needed?
              2. You are absolutely right. The current heads of European countries are miserable, insignificant personalities. (c) This is mainly why I believe that an agreement with Europe in the field of security is not a short question. Strange as it may seem, agreeing with China is quite simple.
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            Another 4 years of Trump and the UN in its current form will go to waste)
        2. Liam 22 January 2020 21: 16 New
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          The UN Security Council has long turned into an impotent circus, unable to make any decision on any problems. Because it does not correspond to the modern world and froze in the realities of the 50s of the last century. Ask them if the water is wet, vote for the USA, France, WB-Za, Russia is against, China has refrained. This anachronism has long been unviable and some sort of regular Trump will send him to the scrap. It is easier than it seems at first glance, because in the current state it is interesting only to Russia
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    the problem of the so-called "northern territories", which, according to Asahi, "arose as a result of the fact that Stalin concluded a secret agreement with Great Britain and the USA on the basis of which he occupied the Kuril Islands."

    And what is the matter of their secret or open agreement?
    2.
    The expert community is inclined to believe that the West would like to exclude the Soviet Union (Russia) from among the winning countries.

    This is a completely obvious Western policy that only a blind person or a traitor does not see.
  28. iouris 22 January 2020 20: 14 New
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    By attacking China, Japan launched World War II. This time. The defeat of Japan, the Second World War ended. These are two. For the United States, the defeat of Japan (especially the Kwantung Army) is a more significant achievement compared to the defeat of Hitler. These are three. It is wrong to limit the scope of agreements between the USSR, the USA and Great Britain to the framework of the anti-Hitler coalition only. This coalition fought against another coalition, which included, in particular, Nazi Germany, fascist Italy and Nazi-fascist Japan (yes, Karl, and Japan!). Also, this coalition included ideologically, morally and materially practically all modern NATO members whose troops fought against the USSR (in particular, France, Estonia, Latvia, and Poland ...). On the other hand, China was a member of that "anti-Hitler coalition" in the broad sense, which is a recognized fact: China has become one of the founding states of the UN, a permanent member of the UN Security Council (children, do not forget that!).
    Thus, the USSR did not “treacherously attack Japan”, but precisely (in terms and tasks) fulfilled its obligations to the allies of the United States and Great Britain - also great powers, which saw Japan as a very serious adversary (who beat them repeatedly). You just need to keep in mind that Marshal (subsequently Generalissimo) Stalin fulfilled the obligations given to President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Churchill, and by the time the hostilities began, the first had already died (was killed) and the second had lost power following the "democratic elections". The new heads of state of the United States and Great Britain no longer regarded Marshal Stalin as an ally, but appointed him the main enemy of the "free world", and the USSR as a potential target for atomic bombing.
    What decency? This is war.
  29. Ratmir_Ryazan 22 January 2020 20: 20 New
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    It is not necessary to evaluate such articles in foreign media as some kind of historical stories, no, it's all banal propaganda.

    The USSR fought against the Nazis from 1936 from Spain, then proposed creating a collective security force in Europe to protect Czechoslovakia, but they didn’t want to listen to us, because the West deliberately fed fascism and Hitler in Germany in order to set him on us and arrange a new intervention with our occupation countries.

    And Japan is one of the countries that also wanted to participate in this and was an ally of Hitler.

    We must remind us and Japan of what they did 80 years ago in Mongolia, Korea, China and several other countries.

    And strengthen the Kuril Islands both from land and from the sea and conduct demonstrative exercises so that they can be seen directly from Japan.
  30. Ben from Bulgaria 22 January 2020 20: 20 New
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    Koga (shch) svarshi voynat?
    Date 22.01.2020/9692/XNUMX XNUMX Velislav Darev
    https://pogled.info/avtorski/Velislava-Dareva/koga-shte-svarshi-voinata.112692
    /Pogled.info/ "America defeat Hitler, Russia itself will help you!"

    Go to war every time - sorrows, jellies, global, local, economically, financially, under the flag of alienation, from the same time public repression, the disposition of go and go corrupted. Turn it into fir. Knowledge is harmful, ignorance is good, fact is of no importance, but you must debit the book. The lesions are immeasurable, dalbini, strategically. For generations before. Generations are inconspicuous, unhistorical, illiterate.
    Generations of Dance
    The Second World War (WWII) finished before 75 years. Tova sa 5 generation. 75 years old "civilization" West "work" hard. How exactly do you "work"? Substitution of history. Bullying. Gavri se. Tapping on the elegant sadism on Dr. Mengele - stand alone on the ramp at Auschwitz, the only way is clean, affable, the finake is simple, and with a careless gesture, you are more decisive and lively in the gas chamber. And they make a cheerful march ...
    From 1945, the Institute of Frenskiyat for us was examined on public opinion (IFOP) periodically asking a single question and asking: "What nation / darzhava doprnese nay-much for defeating Nazi Germany?" Togava, the trace of the region on the BC, Frenchman will discourage: the USSR - 57%, SASH - 20%, Great Britain - 12%, rub the country - 2%.
    Following 60 years, 2015, dissuade you from the very difference: the USSR - 23%, SASH - 58%, Great Britain - 18%, rub the countries - 5%. Pak Pres 2015. The British sociological agency YouGov conducted a questionnaire on the subject of inquiry in 8 countries - SASH, Germany, Great Britain, France, Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland. Spored by the uncontested Americans, the winner is 55%. Such a half and half French, 37% of germancite, over 1/3 of the Danes, Swede and finlandzite, 1/4 of the Norwegians. Exclusion of the United Kingdom - the main merit (50%) is on the British, Koito “let go” on the United States itself 14% (prez 2018 - 9%). In the USSR, a margin between 11 and 17%, germancite and finlandcite is generous — nearly 1/4 recognize the army bringing to Chervenat. Explored on YouGov from 2018 is not much different.
    And nai-amazing - between 25 and 30% of the citizens on the same name 8 darzhav will dissuade "do not know!" Celta e comprehended.
    Dnes, 75 years old, the trace of the war, 90% of the Frenchman absolutely convinced that you are victorious and liberate in Europe: "Thank God, why are the American dead and not free from fascism! And is Russia seriously affected by the war?" - Comrade you can smell France France.
    And then you feel to Italy, "Kakv Den for Victory celebrate Rusnazite ?! American victory! Kakva Rusia ?!"
    And how do you feel in SASCH?
    It’s kind of: “Surely a victory, the Soviet Union can help you to find an army” (Taka Misli and Donald Trump), “The American army just got into Berlin”, “Nie, American, save Russia from Hitler”, “Not the USSR, but unite the victor Hitler "...
    And koi sa osyuznitsit? These are koi: "SASCH, England, Polsha, the Netherlands, maybe bi Russia" ... And what? "Belgium, France, Canada, Austria, maybe Australia, Italy, I don’t take a sigure for the USSR" ...
    But what is the warrior’s underworld? Eto koi: "Ruin Russia, ruin Japan, ruin Germany" ...
    Is it all packaged? Eto koy: "The Soviet Union attacked Hitler!" "Stalin hvarli atomite bomb over Japan"! Amy yes! In the kindergarten encyclopedia for war (World War II for Kids) you write: "August 8 - Russia declared war on Japan; August 9 - atomic bomb pada (!) Over Nagasaki." Chia e-tazi atomic bomb, the child didn’t drop you carelessly, inattention, obviously? And kato how e fallen? AND
    why hvarlya atomite the bomb?
    Russia, naturally. Everybody knows about America. The encyclopedia kata im two negotiations - from Bill Clinton and John McCain. Ima and exercises. For example - how yes we frighten the masloto, for yes we will analyze how the hardships of the past were American. You seem to be on a nasty Leningrad blockade like yes to sing Masloto!
    Just like a couple of American newsletters, they are still impressed (they are rags and ostane and think exactly “impression”!), 16 million Americans were driven into the war. From the footprint of the trace, a single American warrior didn’t even seize.
    In New Orleans and National Museum on the BC. Going through it virtually. Amazing! Spectacular! Is there any nyama there! Tankov, airplanes, kamioni, jeep, jungle, deserts, bunkers, D-Day, oryzhiya, banners, efekti vsyakqui, the restoration of the American house from epohata, with a fireplace and military uniforms in the wardrobe ...
  31. anjey 22 January 2020 20: 34 New
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    The Anglo-Saxons launched the victorious tread of Nazism in Europe, one “Munich conspiracy” is worth it, many circles of the British aristocracy secretly negotiated with Hitler, in every possible way rejected the military alliance with the USSR against the Nazis, manipulating Poland, giving a reference to its disagreement against the joint military alliance.
    As a result, they really betrayed Poland, knowing perfectly about Hitler’s plans, but they lived with their dreams to incite the Nazis against the Bolshevik USSR, which ultimately happened. So who are the true WWII culprits ????
    1. maden.usmanow 22 January 2020 21: 32 New
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      The British aristocracy began to fight the Germans, two years earlier than the Bolshevik USSR
      1. anjey 23 January 2020 04: 35 New
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        Not everyone was Hitler's adherents and many were afraid of his treachery, although he tried to get into the confidence of the English nobility until the last, even stopped the defeat at Dunkirk of the English expeditionary force and gave him the opportunity to evacuate what kind of gift Hitler had made for England laughing , so how ambiguous Britain fought we are well aware.
        1. Octopus 23 January 2020 08: 26 New
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          stopped the defeat at Dunkirk, the English expeditionary force and gave him the opportunity to evacuate

          This was done by the gene. Giffar Martel, 50th English Division. Counterattack under Arras.
          1. anjey 23 January 2020 10: 49 New
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            It was a tactical strike, deciding nothing, strategic advantage and initiative were in Hitler's hands, but he
            On May 24, Hitler ordered German tank divisions advancing along the English Channel to stop the advance at the turn of the Aa canal and withdraw units advancing to Azbrook. Further advancement was permitted only to units performing intelligence and security tasks [4]. As a result, the German units stopped at the Bethune – St. Omer – Gravlin line [5]. Hitler ordered "not to get closer to Dunkirk closer than 10 km" and not to use tanks against the blocked group, therefore Rundstedt, trying to prevent the evacuation, but not violate the received order of the Führer, gave the German troops the order to use medium caliber artillery to shell enemy positions [15] .
            Nonsense didn’t finish off the defeated enemy. Many Hitler’s generals were not happy. Hitler made it clear to England that he didn’t intend to seriously fight them, all his aspirations to the East-USSR.
            1. Octopus 23 January 2020 14: 03 New
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              Many Hitler’s generals were not satisfied, Hitler made it clear to England that he did not intend to seriously fight them

              Yes, this is a very famous point of view. In particular, it was presented by Garth; his work is considered to be the supporting British version of WWII.
              But the concept has changed.
              Major J.F.S. Fuller noted that Rundstedt first gave orders to temporarily halt the advance of Gotu and Kleist in the evening of May 23. "Under the circumstances, this was the right decision. German tank divisions needed rest and overhaul ... the truth is that the terrain ahead was a big obstacle for tanks, and that Hitler better understood the capabilities of tanks than most of his generals who appreciated this order was a mistake ... Evacuation was a phenomenal success, like many British retreats ... the reason for this success was that the Germans did not pay close attention to the evacuation. " A Military History of the Western World, Vol. III: From the Seven Days Battle, 1862, to the Battle of Leyte Gulf, 1944 (Minerva Press, 1967) pp. 400-404. Another British historian, Alistair Horn, wrote: “... Thirdly, the blame for the“ stop order ”cannot be blamed solely on Hitler. After the war, German generals committed for various reasons, which include pride and self-preservation , blamed all the mistakes and crimes on Hitler ... but if anyone was to blame, then first of all it was von Rundstedt ... He was an outstanding commander, but as a strategist he was still at the level of the First World War, like his French colleagues. "To Lose A Battle: France 1940" (pb. ed. pp. 602-03. Penguin Books, 1979.)
              1. anjey 23 January 2020 14: 37 New
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                The concept is the most logical one and it is that if Hitler and the OKW headquarters would really consider the operation "Seelev", then there would be no mercy for the British corps.
                The Germans were calculating and let the British troops out of Dunkirk, in order to again fight with them on the British island ??? This is the height of unreasonableness on the verge of idiocy, so behind this decision was Hitler’s geopolitics and peculiar strategy, he didn’t want a war on two fronts and ideally wanted to conclude an agreement on the division of world interests with the British Empire, for this a private flight of the “insane” was also made Hess ..
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                  You have a common altistoric error. You judge with aftertaste. And at Hitler Rundstedt has just had a counterattack by Matild, on which Rommel personally ran around the front of the anti-aircraft guns looking for. Do you think heavy anti-aircraft guns are lying on the road?

                  And further. I do not impose this point of view on you, but people who respect themselves do not reason in categories that were reasonable / were not reasonable, but rather separate their thoughts from the facts of real history. Who exactly gave the stop order is a matter of signing a specific document, not geopolitical considerations.
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                    Geopolitical considerations and the short-sighted political shortsightedness (criminal intentional connivance) of the highest political circles in Europe and America, by the way, led to the Second World War and not heavy anti-aircraft guns, tanks and a loner - "crazy" Hitler, as many people, this is simplistic for the average person, especially in the West .... It was a war of both ideologies and a war for the great redivision of the World ..
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                      It was a war of both ideologies and a war for the great redivision of the World ..

                      Sorry, this is not a mistake altistorik. This is a mistake of a conspiracy theorist.
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                        I see that you are a kind, great connoisseur of shortcuts, unlike knowledge of History laughing
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    It is necessary to erect a sculpture of 200 tons in the Kuril Islands in the form of a certain organ and direct it towards Japan, maybe they will understand.

    This is too harsh, but stone or bronze fig of decent size to make and put on the point closest to Japan, visible from there - that would really put in place all these refutters of history!
  33. Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2020 21: 32 New
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    Once upon a time we all laughed at the cute ridiculous cattle Jay Psaki. But her ridiculous nonsense is nothing before what the propagandists of the USA, Great Britain, Japan, Poland, and other pro-American mongrel “sixes” do on the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory of the Soviet people over fascist Germany. They are trying their best to discredit the Victory, Russia, the Russians, and if you do not disrupt the celebration, then spoil it as much as possible!
  34. Operator 22 January 2020 21: 38 New
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    who needed this meeting and why?

    Europeans, Arabs and Turks, of course.
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      Europeans, Arabs and Turks, of course.

      1. Why? 2. And who is the Arab?
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        "Here comes the lord, the lord will judge us" (C)

        Egypt, Algeria, UAE and LAS.
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    which, according to Asahi, "arose as a result of the fact that Stalin concluded a secret agreement with Great Britain and the USA, on the basis of which he occupied the Kuril Islands."

    Why secret? These were just agreements, and they are not secret.
    In history, they are known as the Yalta Agreements.
    The Yalta Agreement of the Three Great Powers on the Far East

    (The text was developed at the Yalta Conference in February 1945)
    The leaders of the three great powers - the Soviet Union, the United States of America and Great Britain - agreed that two to three months after the surrender of Germany and the end of the war in Europe, the Soviet Union would enter the war against Japan on the side of the allies, subject to:

    .

    2. The restoration of the rights belonging to Russia, violated by the treacherous attack of Japan in 1904, namely:

    a) the return to the Soviet Union of the southern part of Fr. Sakhalin and all the islands adjacent to it,

    b) the internationalization of the trading port of Dairen, ensuring the priority interests of the Soviet Union in this port and the restoration of leases for Port Arthur, as the naval base of the USSR,

    c) the joint operation of the Sino-Eastern Railway and the South Manchurian Railway, which gives access to Dairen, on the basis of the organization of a mixed Soviet-Chinese Society with the primary interests of the Soviet Union, while keeping in mind that China retains full sovereignty in Manchuria.

    3. Transfers to the Soviet Union of the Kuril Islands.

    ....

    The Heads of Government of the Three Great Powers agreed that these claims of the Soviet Union should be unconditionally satisfied after the victory over Japan.

    ....

    1945, February 11

    J. Stalin

    Franklin Roosevelt

    Winston Churchill

    Source: Foreign Policy of the Soviet Union during the Patriotic War, T.Z.M, 1947, pp. 111-112

    http://hrono.ru/dokum/194_dok/194502krym.php
    It is unclear what the Japanese found in this secret. Well, besides, it’s natural that during the war the agreements of the Allies for obvious reasons were not blamed right and left, but after the war this ceased to be a secret ....
    hi
    1. Octopus 23 January 2020 01: 19 New
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      It is unclear what the Japanese found in this secret.

      1. The Japanese are right.

      2. The peculiarity of this document is that it has no power. The President of the United States cannot accept any secret obligations from Congress on behalf of the people of the United States. Roosevelt's signature on this piece of paper is evidence of treason.
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        2. The peculiarity of this document is that it has no power.

        They said how they cut it off.
        More than it has, for 75 years. But your statement raises questions.
        It was secret only during the war, like many other wartime decisions, and it was undoubtedly secret during the war for the Japanese, as one of the warring parties.
        But what is in secret from Congress-evidence is not visible that in secret, as well as the fact that Roosevelt did not have the right to sign. The same Truman Potsdam declaration easily signed.
        As can be seen, in 1947 it was already openly published even in the USSR.
        And the Americans themselves should have had claims to Roosevelt, if there is a reason for them in something.
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          More than it has, for 75 years

          The fact of possession is valid. The document is not.
          Quote: Avior
          It was secret only during the war

          You can clearly see the bar on top of the document? So, it was impossible for Comrade Stalin to understand this, but for Mr. Churchill and Mr. Roosevelt, he made this paper their private opinion, and not the position of the United States and Britain. The peoples of Britain and the United States are represented by Parliament and Congress, respectively, and not Mr. Churchill and Mr. Roosevelt at all.
          Quote: Avior
          evidence is not visible that in secret, as well as the fact that Roosevelt did not have the right to sign. The same Truman Potsdam declaration easily signed.

          Quote: Avior
          Americans themselves should have had claims to Roosevelt if there was a reason for them in something.

          You will not believe
          for the old guard, the most terrible of all the betrayals committed by the democrats during their "twenty years of treason" were Yalta and the loss of China. All their hatred of Roosevelt focused on the Yalta Conference, and on Truman - on the loss of China.

          So, the fact is that Eisenhower was one of the main agents of Roosevelt’s policy in Europe during the war, he stood at the head of the KNS under Truman when China was “lost”. Eisenhower hardly acted then against his convictions. Like it or not, no matter how you wag, or explain your actions, it is impossible to disown that he faithfully and with real enthusiasm helped Roosevelt implement his policy. Eisenhower’s refusal to compete with the Russians on who will quickly reach Berlin, and his efforts to establish good relations with Zhukov in the second half of 1945 helped most of all to sign the Yalta Agreements. His close cooperation with the Truman Administration in 1948 and 1949 implied at least agreement with China’s policies. These facts were the most serious obstacle in the struggle for nomination.


          Naturally, becoming president, Eisenhower buried both of these issues. Say, Stalin just died, it coincided very well, let's not stir up the past.
          1. Avior 23 January 2020 11: 16 New
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            You can clearly see the bar on top of the document?

            visible. ordinary stamp for documents during the war.
            Which does not make the document illegal. Both Truman and Churchill signed such packs, the war was on, the enemy was not accepted to communicate their plans.
            It was concealed from Japan that the USSR would oppose Japan two to three months after the Victory over Germany, despite the existing non-aggression pact. The Japanese really wanted to know this.
            Immediately after the war, this ceased to be secret and the States were ready to fulfill it already under Truman, if not for the position of the USSR, which refused to sign the treaty.
            Formally, the document violated the provisions of the Atlantic Charter and the Cairo Declaration in the paragraph on the Kuril Islands. But really, I have not heard any official decisions about Roosevelt’s claims in this regard. And who there were any grievances, you can’t get to the point

            for the old guard, the most terrible of all the betrayals committed by the democrats during their "twenty years of treason"

            I know Congress, I know the Senate and so on, but I don’t know such an official body as the "old guard".
            The official bodies had no complaints, and Ike did not personally decide there, who became the president much later.
            Moreover, Truman, and not the Yalta agreements, were quite rightly accused of surrendering China.
            1. Octopus 23 January 2020 14: 53 New
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              in fact, I have not heard any official decisions about Roosevelt’s claims in this regard.

              As a presidential candidate, Eisenhower could afford to criticize the Yalta agreements. But as president, his freedom of action was limited. When he began to seriously study the possible consequences of the rejection of the agreements, he came to the conclusion that they would have a negative impact on American foreign policy and exacerbate the split with the Democrats. In addition, having received power in his own hands, he did not want to waste it on the struggle to clean up old garbage. Yalta gave the Americans occupation rights in West Berlin and Vienna. How can guarantees of these rights be preserved if they are based on an invalid agreement? The British, among other things, feared that if the Americans could abandon their obligations, then the Russians could do the same. Anthony Eden firmly stated that the United Kingdom would never give up on its commitments. In addition, the Democrats will certainly fight by all means possible to compromise the late President Roosevelt. Any resolution that will be passed in Congress by a small majority of those who reject the agreement will have little or no effect. Eisenhower told Republican leaders that "the most important thing is solidarity." He wanted politics to stop at the edge of the abyss.

              Thus, the draft resolution on the Yalta Agreements, submitted by Eisenhower Congress on February 20, did not contain their condemnation, but criticized the Soviet Union for violating the "true purpose" of the Yalta accords, which entailed the "enslavement of entire nations." The Soviet Union, as stated in the resolution proposed by Eisenhower, refused to "interpret" the agreements that "were perverted with the aim of enslaving free peoples." The resolution "expressed hope" that these peoples in the future "will again have the right to self-determination" * 14.

              The old guard condemned Eisenhower for such a betrayal of the basic principles of the Republicans. Taft, whom Eisenhower pressured to see him as an ally, tried to bridge the gap by amending the draft resolution to read: “The adoption of this resolution does not mean any determination by Congress of the legality or illegality of any part of these agreements.” Meanwhile, Democrats led by Lyndon B. Johnson, a Texas senator, welcomed the original text of the resolution and objected to any change.

              This put the old guard in a dilemma. If she approved the resolution unchanged, this would mean the adoption of the Yalta Agreements; if the resolution were amended, the old guard could be accused of factionalism and a split with the republican president. But the old guard could not so easily abandon Yalta. Senator Hickenlooper insisted on a clear and unequivocal condemnation of the agreements, he had a number of supporters in the Senate Committee on Foreign Policy, which held hearings on this issue.

              In any case, only Stalin later came to the aid of Eisenhower. On March 4, a message came from Moscow that the Soviet dictator was dying. In this situation, the adoption of a condemning resolution would appear to be an extremely rude step; in addition, due to the inevitable changes coming in the Soviet leadership, it would be untimely to open old wounds. Despite all this, Eisenhower was still ready to insist on the adoption of the whole resolution he proposed. At a press conference on March 5, he said: "I really want my words to be recorded in the transcript ... We will never agree with the enslavement of peoples that happened."

              When asked to comment on the amendment proposed by Taft based on the assumption that it means a gap between him and Taft, Eisenhower gave the following answer: “As far as I know, there is not the slightest sign of a discrepancy or gap between Senator Taft and me. Maybe someone knows about it, but I don’t know. " Four days later, Eisenhower met with Taft and other Republican leaders to discuss the situation. Taft admitted: it would probably be better to "forget about this matter." Eisenhower's “velvet” resolution was not the one to fight for, and at the same time, the battle to reject or change it would be very expensive. The death of Stalin on March 5, 1953 made it possible for everyone to avoid the dilemma, and the question of adopting a resolution on Yalta was put on the back burner * 15.

              The death of a man who single-handedly ruled the second most powerful country in the world, which was America’s main adversary, was an event of great importance. The problem, however, was that in the United States no one knew how to take advantage of this event and what the subsequent events would be. Eisenhower was relieved because he managed to avoid publicly condemning Roosevelt for the agreements signed in Yalta; in a confidential conversation with members of his Cabinet, he said that America’s unpreparedness "was a stunning example of what was not done" by the Democrats when they were in power. Starting in 1946, he continued, there was a lot of talk about what would happen after the death of Stalin, but the final result of these seven years is "zero." There is no plan, no agreed position.

              The last proposals should be remembered when the conversation comes to the State Department’s cunning plans for decades to come. At least for the education of Hitler, at least for throwing with a parachute Gorbachev.
              1. Avior 24 January 2020 00: 45 New
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                I didn’t write anything about the State Department’s cunning plans.
                It was about the official recognition of the illegality of Roosevelt's signing of agreements.
                There is nothing like this
                And in general, Ika was elected president many years after the war.
                but I don’t argue with that
                Thus, the draft resolution on the Yalta Agreements, submitted by Eisenhower Congress on February 20, did not contain their condemnation, but criticized the Soviet Union for violating the "true purpose" of the Yalta accords, which entailed the "enslavement of entire nations."

                But claims on this should have been to Truman, there was nothing of the kind in the Yalta agreements, Chiang Kai-shek was directly registered there.
                1. Octopus 24 January 2020 12: 57 New
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                  It is written above that Truman had a lot of complaints. But the Americans still haven't gotten a way of judging former presidents. In vain, in my opinion, I am a supporter of the South Korean approach.

                  The cited fragments adequately say why there is no "official" recognition of illegality. Because Khrushchev lacked integrity, and Eisenhower did as he was most comfortable.

                  Perhaps, thanks to the current efforts of the Russian authorities, the United States will officially revise those events. That would be fun. But I doubt very much that the Americans will do that.
                  1. Avior 24 January 2020 15: 56 New
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                    Eisenhower is not the king, but the president.
                    there were those who raised the question without it.
                    and why did you suddenly clutch at him? before that it was 8 years old.
                    1. Octopus 24 January 2020 17: 41 New
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                      Quote: Avior
                      there were those who raised the question without it.

                      Actually, you could read that this question was raised by the Republicans in Congress. But Eisenhower climbed into the elections from the Republicans, who did not complicate his relations with either Khrushchev or the Democrats.
                      As far as the time of Truman, firstly, he considered the question of truth from a party point of view, and secondly, he himself fit into the appeasement of Stalin in Potsdam and China. Therefore, his rhetoric was even more deceitful: he claimed that they agreed perfectly with Stalin, but Stalin forced bring dictatorship everywhere. Made, in particular, the "hawk" Molotov.
  36. Pacifist with AK 22 January 2020 23: 51 New
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    You can say anything .... Only you can’t argue against THIS ....
  37. Uh Neuhov 23 January 2020 00: 28 New
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    Journalists of the Japanese Asahi Shimbun newspaper should better shut up on the theme of World War II in the European part, let them write about their contribution. And without the USSR, nowhere. The "bad" Soviet Union for Japan, then Kurill did not climb and did not drop nuclear bombs.
  38. Klingon 23 January 2020 00: 56 New
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    it was necessary to drop striped and not 2 but 8 nuclear bombs on the samurai, so that they live under water, then they could blather less
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  40. Neutron Retarded 23 January 2020 04: 10 New
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    But her ridiculous nonsense is nothing before what the propagandists of the USA, Great Britain, Japan, Poland, and other pro-American mongrel “sixes” do on the eve of the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory of the Soviet people over fascist Germany.

    If it were all that simple. Here, inside Russia and along the adjoining borders of the neighboring countries, over the years of historical oblivion and lies, a whole generation of mankurts with Russian surnames has been grown, thinking in Russian, but sharing the point of view of these same Eurosavings. A lot of them. And you don’t have to go far. Just read some of the comments above. And with this we need to do something, we will be silent and wait for it to "resolve", there will be even more of them.
  41. horror 23 January 2020 07: 48 New
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    This will only be exacerbated by accusations and provocations. You need to understand that these are our enemies, whom the WWII results are not satisfied, the set goals were not fulfilled. There is a strong information pressure, the main thing is to be able to convey the truth to your citizens, especially the younger generation!
  42. Pecheneg 23 January 2020 08: 46 New
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    I suggest that Russian scientists still invent a time machine, and show these liberals from Geyropa and Matrasia what would happen if not the USSR. Bambarbia kergudu is a joke. There are simply no words, only emotions on the current interpretation of WWII.
    1. 1970mk 23 January 2020 15: 00 New
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      Why do you need a time machine? it is ... The newspaper TRUTH is digitized and you can find the full archive .....
      Read ...... and you will have a time machine:
      ".. England calls for the destruction of Hitlerism ... but Hitlerism is only an ideology ... and it cannot be fought and destroyed ... one can only negotiate with Hitlerism .."
  43. Taras mp 23 January 2020 11: 18 New
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    Perhaps it is necessary to further reveal the secret materials and even more actively declare how all of Europe (especially with a small letter) led to the power of the Natsiks in Germany, Italy, Spain. And the Japs, with their atrocities in Asia, need to develop less havalnik ........
    1. Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 11: 42 New
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      Quote: Taras MP
      led to the power of the Nazis in Germany, Italy, Spain.

      It turns out that in Italy and Spain, the Nazis were once in power.
      But the boys do not know ...
      1. Octopus 23 January 2020 15: 01 New
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        Vladimir Rudolfovich is trying as best he can, explaining to the masses the differences between a good Duce and a bad Fuhrer, and everything is not a horse feed.
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          and all is not in the horse feed.

          If he had told them that the path to a well-fed and prosperous life lies precisely through authoritarianism, called “fascism” in the common people (as the first phase of bourgeois society), they would have spoiled all the televisions.
          1. Octopus 23 January 2020 16: 04 New
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            There are some doubts that fascism was just the first stage of bourgeois society, and this first stage began in Italy itself only in the twentieth century. But about fascism in Russia, Vladimir Rudolfovich writes (okay, retweets) openly.
  44. evgen1221 23 January 2020 14: 00 New
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    Well, our right to veto the United Nations greatly interferes with their life, and this is the main prize in writing history.
  45. 1970mk 23 January 2020 14: 58 New
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    Propaganda ... not propaganda ..... After all, World War II was in full swing .... and we were friends with Germany .... we collaborated ....
    There is no pure "white" in that War .... everyone is anointed .....
    1. iouris 23 January 2020 15: 27 New
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      The Second World War was in full swing .... and we with Germany

      About what it was WWII learned after 1945. And the USSR began to cooperate with Germany (after the WWII) during the Weimar Republic. So your doubts are from the evil one or from ignorance. Today, we with the United States are also "partners" ... And, by the way, we are cooperating with Iran. So brand the Kremlin. let's
      1. 1970mk 23 January 2020 15: 33 New
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        You did not read Molotov’s speech by chance? "... England calls for the destruction of Hitlerism .... but Hitlerism cannot be destroyed ... one must agree with Hitlerism" ...
        Before the attack on the USSR, "Hitlerism" (Nazism) was normal? And the Jews on the side? Collaboration with the cannibalistic (or are you against?) Nazi regime is NORM?
        Read the truth since the year 39 ....
        1. iouris 23 January 2020 15: 52 New
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          This is all clear - a "shameful page", but from the point of view of the "Stalinist political bureau" it was more important to preserve the state. I argue that if the West recognized Stalin as an aggressor and not Hitler, then the USSR would most likely have been destroyed with the help of Hitler. The Reich had enormous technological superiority over the USSR. That is why Stalin's strategy was to retreat to Moscow. The forces of the Red Army, which were defeated in the first months of the war, basically did not represent military value. The real war began after the ruling forces of the USA and England realized that they could face "strategic loneliness" and help (the "second front") went to the USSR. But the main thing is that Roosevelt and Churchill recognized Stalin. Do you understand that between the USSR and the "allies", in principle, there was antagonism? And there is no antagonism between the modern regime in the Russian Federation and the West. No, but at the same time what is the pressure on Putin, which Stalin has never (!) Now imagine what could have happened if the Russian Federation declared its goal to destroy the West and "democracy" at all costs, including using nuclear , chemical and bacteriological weapons and at the same time would have armed forces of 10 million people.
          No, I see that if you are from the "Nekht" generation, then it is very difficult for you to understand.
      2. Dmitry Igorevich 23 January 2020 15: 53 New
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        About what it was WWII learned after 1945.

        Oh. How so? And what war Molotov in his speech in 1939 called criminal, because It was fought by France and Britain against the "white and fluffy" Germany?
        1. iouris 23 January 2020 16: 32 New
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          I, apparently, didn’t write very clearly.
          The fact that there will be a big war was already clear in the twenties (see materials of the congresses of the CPSU (b)). Hence the pace of industrialization of the USSR. In 1939 and 1940, Britain and France were ready to bomb Baku. So the enemies were not only Germany and the "axis countries". This is a strategy. I told you about tactics. By the way, I’ll add about the Jews and tactics. There were so many Jews in the leadership of the USSR that the Jewish intelligentsia in the world, not without reason, believed that the USSR was a Jewish state. Thus, the "Jewish question" in the current one was secondary (like "Russian"). The main issue was the preservation of socialism. There is no such problem today.
    2. Bessarab 23 January 2020 22: 01 New
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      We were not friends, but cooperated. Thanks to this cooperation, the Germans learned a lot of technological and other secrets. In addition to Germany, during the period of industrialization, not a single country in the world permitted the supply of either the technology, machine tools, or equipment to the USSR. Even for gold. The United States also collaborated with Germany even during the war, supplying oil through Spain and France - "giving" the Nazis more than 4000 tanks, producing planes, ammunition, explosives for Germany and transferring huge amounts of gold every month, both Sweden and Norway .Yes, in general, the whole of Europe. Only volunteers from European countries in the Wehrmacht served about 2 million. And how the Poles tried from London to help Hitler. They deceived Stalin, he allowed them to create Anders' army (about 100 people) from captured Poles, armed him, fed, and watered, waiting for the Polish ki to go to fight Hitler .... In 000 ... They didn’t go, but with guns, guns, equipment chukhis chshony in Iran. And two years we rested in nature. So cunningly .... the Poles stole the USSR’s extremely necessary weapons and means from the USSR and did not allow a whole army to participate in the battles at the most tense moment.
  46. Pavel57 23 January 2020 18: 04 New
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    But the war did not essentially end.
  47. Yuri Mikhailovsky 23 January 2020 18: 56 New
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    And where did you find decency? Anger and hatred ... and so they live.
  48. Izzy Gubinstein 23 January 2020 19: 16 New
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    in 1945, javgeis freed all from the Foshists
    write it on your forehead
    Amen
  49. Nikolai Korovin 24 January 2020 12: 20 New
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    The time has ripened to massively apply anti-sclerotic drugs to the Western press. Well-soaked rods are the best option. Negligent students always put their minds through the back gate.
  50. Pavel Yashkov 24 January 2020 16: 05 New
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    So long as there is no strong economy in the Russian Federation, a strong army and a patriotic government like that, the dogs will bark and allow themselves such things.