The deadlines for the return of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet of the cruiser “Moscow” became known

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Currently, the ship is located at the 13th shipyard, where the cruiser’s marching readiness is being restored. As Director of the 13th Shipyard Alexander Yuryev stated earlier, the ship’s repair is near completion.

The cruiser Moskva has not gone to sea since 2016 in connection with the repair and modernization of the ship, the first voyage after the completion of the first stage of the repair took place on June 5, 2019. When the work was completed in full, it was not reported that the dates for testing the ship in December 2019 were called. .

In October 2018, it became known that work was begun in Sevastopol to restore the marching readiness of the Project 1164 guards missile cruiser Moskva, code Atlant. At the same time, it was emphasized that the task was to return the ship to the course, there was no talk of modernization. At the same time, the USC said that they were ready to upgrade the cruiser if the military and technical project wanted. However, the Northern Design Bureau (SPKB) reported that the Ministry of Defense has no funds to modernize the ship and the development of the modernization project will begin, at best, after 2020.

The cruiser "Moscow" was laid on the stocks of the Nikolaev shipbuilding plant named after the 61 communard in the 1976 year as the Slava missile cruiser, is the leading missile in the series of missile cruisers. Launched 27 July 1979 g., Was put into operation in 1983 year. Displacement - 11380 tons. It is equipped with 16 launchers of Vulkan missiles, artillery, air defense systems, torpedo tubes and depth-fire bombs.

The last time the cruiser was at sea from September 2015 of the year to January 2016 of the year in the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea for air defense from the sea direction of the Russian Hmeimim airbase in Syria.

Comments

[Alexey-74]

Strange for the Olympics and Mundiali there is money, but for the missile cruiser there is ..... something like this ....

[cniza]

Until the Ministry of Finance becomes "ordinary accounting" and does not have the right to establish, but only to execute the decisions made by industry experts, nothing will change.

[Alexey-74]

I agree, only who will go for it?

[cniza]

Life and the situation should make this happen, and the Minister of Finance is no longer the first vice prime minister ...

[WILL]

Eh, the weapon would be to him. But unfortunately, we are not talking about this yet.

[cniza]

Maybe they updated ...

[Andrey.AN]

Granites, like several years ago, have already been grabbed; they can also work on ground targets.

[Chaldon48]

Maybe the new government will more quickly seek funds for those matters that are really necessary for the state.

[cniza]

There is money, you only need to show determination.

[Fat]

Quote: Chaldon48

Maybe the new government will more quickly seek funds for those matters that are really necessary for the state.

We need to see HOW the new government will cope with the elements ... Flood, fire, change of course ... BC5 to its full height, not the government.
They didn’t manage, therefore they left for ...
They will add everyone, I hope most of them, in picturesque places near the most sub-polar sea.
There, they say, work.,. In!
Food ... In!
And no Tahiti ...

[From Siberia we]

Already attached. All changed places

[VIT101]

Quote: cniza

and only implement decisions made by industry experts

No need to be so naive. The Minister of Finance has well-known bosses. What they say is what he does.

[cniza]

You do not know our bureaucracy, or rather not only ours - "the king is made by the retinue" ...

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Alexey-74

Strange for the Olympics and Mundiali there is money, but for the missile cruiser there is ..... something like this ....

Against this background, the message looks blasphemous and ominous - the Government, which was headed by Dmitry Medvedev, mastered almost 94,2 percent of the budget and did not manage to spend more than a trillion rubles. This was reported by the Vedomosti newspaper, owned by the family of Demyan Kudryavtsev, with reference to these departments. It turns out that the rulers of Russia do the most harm, producing domestic billionaires like Zakharchenko.

[Fat]

Quote: Mar. Tira

It turns out that it is they who are the rulers of Russia who do the most harm, producing domestic billionaires like Zakharchenko.

If Zakharchenko was caught, then most likely he was a "wild" billionaire marauder ...

[knn54]

Capitalism .. Already in this century, a disaster occurred in one of the African countries. There was no money. And on the anniversary of the UN Refugee Assistance Committee, they spent more on fireworks. VARIOUS expense items, however

[Fat]

Quote: knn54

Capitalism .. Already in this century, a disaster occurred in one of the African countries. There was no money. And on the anniversary of the UN Refugee Assistance Committee, they spent more on fireworks. VARIOUS expense items, however

Well yes. Part of the benefactors, and from a lesser reason, are able to arrange a holiday .. I hope the organizers transferred part of the proceeds from the sale of tickets to the event to the organizers of the disaster ... Do you?
I joke, but in my heart ... Such rubbish ..

[rotkiv04]

The mundial is sacred, and the cruiser can wait

[Lena Petrova]

Moreover, that:
“The total impact of the 2018 World Cup on GDP for 2013-2018 is estimated at 952 billion rubles, which is about 1% of Russia's annual GDP. The impact is due to investments in infrastructure, spending by tourists during the championship, as well as other costs of preparing for the tournament, ”the report says. It is reported by Rambler.

“The total impact of the 2018 World Cup on Russia's GDP was about $ 17 billion, which exceeds the effect of similar championships in Brazil, South Africa, Germany and South Korea and is closest to Japan's. In relative terms, the effect from the 2018 World Cup amounted to about 1,1% of Russia's annual GDP. According to this indicator, the tournament is second only to the championship in South Africa, since the GDP of this country in absolute terms is significantly less than that of other host countries, ”the study says.

[AlexG83]

Quote: Alexey-74

Strange for the Olympics and Mundiali there is money, but for the missile cruiser there is ..... something like this ....

Strange logic, "Olympiads and Mundiali", quite significant events for the society (ours), and a reason to build the accompanying infrastructure up to brand new housing, etc. Would you rather ... a ship? I understand that the missile cruiser is very important militarily, but to put it this way is too much.

[frog]

Now take an interest in why Saransk with its population is the Mundiale stadium and how can Saransk contain it? Since there is no football for such a stadium there will not be and will not be, unfortunately. About N. Novgorod - about the same, since the city is bigger and the budget too. But this money could be spent on something sane, not necessarily a cruiser))) Again, in N. Novgorod a stupid metro station was built for this stadium. About the features of the construction of the facilities of this World Cup - just keep quiet .....

[Trotil42]

Only God has the truth in the last resort. You are not Jesus. Let estimates on decisions to hold such significant events remain on subsequent generations.

Slave position ...

[frog]

I am definitely not Him. Again, what if I’m a Buddhist and I don’t care about him ...?))) As for the grades and everything else, they are so tired of evaluating all this painful delirium that we have done. Don't feel sorry for the generation? Yes, they may not appear, in other scenarios .... And yet, what is the "significance" of these events? In the cut of money, because how significant is the event? It would be nice to inquire about the financial effectiveness of all these goat dances, to see what happened elsewhere on this topic. Why countries with the best financial and economic position refuse such an honor.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: frog

About N. Novgorod - about the same, since the city is bigger and the budget too. But this money could be spent on something sane

I will answer you as Nizhny Novgorod !!! - the stadium is super! I GO TO ALL MATCHES Nizhny Novgorod! we are glad for such a stadium and the team is playing and there is every chance to be in the Premier League, in a year or two !! so don't post frank nonsense

Quote: frog

Again, in N. Novgorod, the stupid metro station was also built for this stadium.

?? are you alright?? how can you (without hurting your head) write this .... all Meschera says thank you for the "arrow" metro !! ... and you are just a couch troll!

[frog]

Og, and often there are matches? Maybe you call a local football club that is able to assemble such stadiums? I would really appreciate it ....
How can one recognize a very useful metro station serving shopping centers and a stadium? Or do you, as Nizhny Novgorod, answer, where were the metro stations planned at Meshchera both during the union and after, until the advanced Muscovite governor signed up for the World Cup? And at what distance is the main array of Meshchera residential buildings from this station?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: frog

Maybe you call a local football club

FC Nizhny Novgorod .... every 5 matches collected 20 ..., and an average of 000-5 ..

Quote: frog

How can one recognize a very useful metro station serving shopping centers and a stadium?

you are sick ..... the residential area "Meschera", of course, does not tell you anything !!

Quote: frog

Or do you, as Nizhny Novgorod, answer, where were the metro stations planned at Meshchera both during the union and after, until the advanced Muscovite governor signed up for the World Cup?

and without you we know where and when ... and did you build a lot of the USSR? .... there were no bridges and there was only a metro station-car transporter-petrel !! forget the USSR .... sunk into the summer ... you need to live in the Russian Federation!

Quote: frog

And at what distance is the main array of Meshchera residential buildings from this station?

from 3 minutes on foot to 11 minutes! ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: AlexG83

Quote: Alexey-74

Strange for the Olympics and Mundiali there is money, but for the missile cruiser there is ..... something like this ....

Strange logic, "Olympiads and Mundiali", quite significant events for the society (ours), and a reason to build the accompanying infrastructure up to brand new housing, etc. Would you rather ... a ship? I understand that the missile cruiser is very important militarily, but to put it this way is too much.

Are you serious!? These events certainly didn’t bring the main benefit to the population of the Russian Federation. And let those who live in Sochi or often go there talk about occupancy and attendance of facilities, also applies to football stadiums.

[Vasya was here]

I will not say like in other cities, but after the Universiade in Krasnoyarsk we have a very decent inheritance and it is not empty and not idle. Plus, the rise in sports movement in the city and in the region.

[Madness]

Quote: Vasya was here

I will not say like in other cities, but after the Universiade in Krasnoyarsk we have a very decent inheritance and it is not empty and not idle. Plus, the rise in sports movement in the city and in the region.

Similarly, this is not only in the cities .. In the province of sports grounds and indoor sports complexes, not a little has been built (Gazprom has become generous, etc.), but there is a problem with the coaches .. The boys go to sports with pleasure .. Here on Saturday will be a biathlon among schoolchildren .. I'll definitely go ..

[Arthur 85]

In general, professional sports should be banned, except for running, swimming, racing, bullet shooting ... Cannot and should not kicker kick the ball, or the singer with his mouth to receive as a hundred heart surgeons or chief engineers.

[maxim947]

You just need to ban the participation of state-owned companies in sponsorship.

[rumpeljschtizhen]

I completely agree ... And football in the first place

[Arthur 85]

Yes, because we see what kind of staff the fan "party" has raised in / in Ukraine. And it is hardly possible to fix them.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Arthur 85

In general, professional sports should be banned, except for running, swimming, racing, bullet shooting ..

Let's leave chess too.

[Arthur 85]

And also, martial arts and skiing ... I think you understand me. That which moves industry (races), that which is needed in the troops — running, swimming, shooting (including chess) —are left. Game types - only at the level of amateur sports. Advertising is prohibited. Buying players is forbidden. Legislatively limit the monetary content to, say, fifty minimum wages. Who wants to play, and so will be. Who wants a hill - a tablecloth path. Let there with their whims toss themselves ...

[cost]

the most important thing that should be banned is not the Ministry of Sport, which is not necessary for anyone, but to revive the Committee on Physical Culture and Sports under the Council of Ministers as in the USSR

Here is the structure he had under the Union:
Department of Physical Education
Department of Children and Youth Sports and Physical Education
sports production department
sports and methodological management (since 1973)
various sports departments
International Sports Relations Office
research department
management of sports school and educational sports institutions
management of sports facilities
capital construction department
case management
personnel management
economic planning
Financial management
economic management
Common department
propaganda department
legal department (since 1978)

Nothing superfluous, and no superfluous parasite officials

[Arthur 85]

And if some emir of Bukhara could cut off his head to his subject, because ... Because the mood is bad, so he is talented, do not be offended ... I just wanted to say that there is a society where Ronaldo and Rivaldo may exist, and also Kokorina with Mamaev, it’s a little bit unhealthy.

[Ryaruav]

Aleksey, you are right all these olympiads and championships are needed for the master of sports in judo in the Kremlin, a judo master, this is his limit in everything, you just remember his first speeches full alles

[SOF]

Quote: Alexey-74

Strange

... nothing strange ... there is such a thing as a budget item ....
.... funds were planned for defense and mundial ....
.... the problem is that the money, possibly pledged for the "cruiser", has flowed into something more weighty and relevant ..... daggers, calibers, zircons, Sarmatians, petrels, overexposures .... continue? ....
.... and it is not necessary to say that it was possible to "cancel" the mundial, and send the money to a cruiser (to distribute to retirees) ....... in any, more or less economically-educated hole, such "passages "are not committed .... unless, of course, the conventional German, in the conventional 1941, is not on the threshold of the capital .....

[xomaNN]

Meanwhile, his former brother "Ukraine" is waiting to be cut for scrap. So going out into the sea.

[Grits]

Quote: xomaNN

Meanwhile, his former brother "Ukraine" is waiting to be cut for scrap. So going out into the sea.

At one time, ours offered to pick it up for free. To not take up a place. But inborn pan-greedy greed could not allow this. Now let them cut it. We already do not need surcharge

[kjhg]

Quote: Gritsa

We already do not need surcharge

It would be nice to pick up gas turbine engines and a sonar system for Moscow. If they, of course, remained on it. A few years ago there was news that the HAC in Moscow was inoperative.

[Andrey.AN]

After the repair, everything should work as expected, the HOOK will be replaced with a new, if non-working one.

[Avior]

You may not need it, but the Russian fleet really needs it.
The furniture maker Serdyukov decided to take it for free in 2011, although then it was necessary to redeem and finish building, there was money for it, there would be a new ship for the fleet. Not to mention that only on Oboronservis friends Serdyukov raped three Koreysers
As soon as Shoigu became Minister in 2012, negotiations soon began on the purchase of the cruiser, and in 2013 agreed to buy it for 1 billion rubles.

Representatives of the military-industrial commission under the Russian government agreed with the Ukrainian leadership on the acquisition of the cruiser "Ukraine", which is at the shipyard in the city of Nikolaev. The purchase price of an unfinished cruiser will be 1 billion rubles.

https://russian.rt.com/article/15039
But it was too late, and the fleet did not receive the cruiser of the new construction that he needed so much.
So what about greed is for Serdyukov

[Pavel57]

I feel sorry for Ukraine.

[Astra wild]

SORRY FOR SIMPLE PEOPLE, and the ship is a pile of rusty metal. You yourself saw

[Pavel57]

This "pile of rusty metal" is labor and wasted resources, and minus one ship of the first rank, of which there are so few in the ranks.

[Grits]

Quote: Pavel57

This "pile of rusty metal" is labor and wasted resources, and minus one ship of the first rank, of which there are so few in the ranks.

I agree about labor and resources. But as for the value of this, go ... What is the point of having a rusty case designed for the installation of weapons and other equipment that is already outdated. And which is not there. Therefore, the funds that Serdyukov proposed for this ship could go to build a new one. With a more sophisticated weaponry. Building a new ship is easier than repairing an old and rusty one ..

[Pavel57]

In the distant time, the cancellation of Project 61 cruisers was explained precisely by the rusty hull.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: xomaNN

Meanwhile, his former brother "Ukraine" is waiting to be cut for scrap. So going out into the sea.

"How steamers see off, not at all like trains", and when they die, it hurts to watch.

[Grits]

Quote: antivirus

when do we get to the scoops?

When "Nakhimov" goes to sea

[cniza]

However, the Northern Design Bureau (SPKB) reported that the Ministry of Defense has no funds to upgrade the ship and the development of the modernization project will begin, at best, after 2020.

Here's what to call it? wrecking? sabotage? , but it seems like a betrayal ...

[Malevich]

You can refuse to hold a referendum in March to amend the constitution (the result is already clear), and send the money saved for repairs not only to the cruiser Moscow, but also to the Yamal BDK, and other, other, other ...

[mark1]

And you can also take the Moscow government and Sobyanin personally to Luzhkov's positive experience and finance the modernization of the Moskva cruiser namesake of their city, stop moving tiles and launching fireworks.

[Malevich]

Well then, following in this vein, let each Abramovich-Derepaska-Rotenberg-Usmanov take one ship or military unit under his wing)

[mark1]

The direction of your thoughts I like. I'm all for it. But in one case, we are talking about the use of personal funds, and in the second, over-budget. Although in both cases this would have had a very positive effect on the image of the investor (and this is the same capital - political).

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Malevich

Well then, following in this vein, let each Abramovich-Derepaska-Rotenberg-Usmanov take one ship or military unit under his wing

For the Abramovich-Deripaska-Rotenberg-Usmanovs to do something, the military unit must take them for "hebo" ...
Usmanov generally refused to pay taxes in Russia, since most of the time he lives outside ...

[max702]

Quote: Malevich

You can refuse to hold a referendum in March to amend the constitution (the result is already clear), and send the money saved for repairs

Believe me, all the costs of these events are simply ridiculous .. But the decisions that can be made there can affect and how! For example, one cancellation of the supremacy of international law over sovereign will bring trillions ..

[nm76]

Of course it will bring trillions ... When you stop paying salaries, all of our courts will take the side of the employer and you will not be able to prove in any magistrate court that you need money more than let Derepaska’s help ..

[Sergey1987]

Quote: nm76

Of course it will bring trillions ... When you stop paying salaries, all of our courts will take the side of the employer and you will not be able to prove in any magistrate court that you need money more than let Derepaska’s help ..

Firstly, where did you get the idea that the court will directly side with the employer in any way? Secondly, he will be able to challenge the decision in international court. If the decision of the international court is contrary to the constitution, then he will not be able to challenge it.

[Dart2027]

Quote: nm76

You will not be able to prove in any magistrate court

And world courts directly dream of it.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: max702

Believe me, all the costs of these events are simply ridiculous ..

We believe ... What else remains for us ... You, most importantly, show the estimates ... Here, one uncle, I will not call his famous name, assured with different intonations in his voice that raising taxes on the income of billionaires and millionaires is simply stupid; they will stop paying taxes at all ...
And people counted; it appears in the amount of only additional income with an increase in personal income tax to 25% can amount to one to one and a half trillion rubles ...
And we all joke and laugh ... Twenty years have passed ...

[max702]

From 15 to 35 rubles for each voter, that's the cost of the referendum .. The abolition of the supremacy of international law will allow the central bank to return to their homeland .. This alone is worth all the gestures .. And about "your" courts I'm not interested ..

[Стена]

There will be no referendum, but a vote.

[huntsman650]

We are a peace-loving power, we do not plan to attack anyone. Whoever snoops around will get a nuclear club on the head. And the ships are unfortunately far in the background.

[Typhoon]

As they say, seven feet under the keel and 4 escort tugs, so that embarrassment does not come out)

[mag nit]

If only the crane on the deck did not fall ...

[Alien From]

The effective fleet pride is turned into a scow .......

[Marconi41]

Quote: Alien From

The effective fleet pride is turned into a scow .......

And what is his pride? The ship has long been outdated, its modernization is also not profitable. How is he good? The answer is nothing. In addition to air defense, this RKR cannot boast of anything. So the leadership of the Moscow Region did wisely, not investing in obsolete equipment.

[Dmitry Igorevich]

Quote: Marconi41

In addition to air defense, this RKR cannot boast of anything.

Air defense is one of the weak points of this trough. It was flawed from the very beginning (as it was "intended"). This is how it is now.

[bullet]

The deadlines for the return of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet of the cruiser “Moscow” became known

If two (only two) planes fly up to this "cruiser" from two opposite sides, one of them MUST hit this "cruiser".
Why?
Because the trough is old and still floating, not a cruiser.
The entire Soviet fleet consisted of such troughs. And in a good way all of it had to be written off in good time.
But show-off is more expensive than money. Therefore, these are the "cruisers" not to say that in the ranks (little sense from them), but the money, as real.

[universe1]

The flagship is in the museum for a long time.

[Andrey.AN]

What did he not please you with? If everything is OK after the repair, a lot will be replaced by a new one (there is no other), the Granit’s anti-ship missiles have been upgraded earlier (now they can hit ground targets), no one is cooler, the Fort ZRS missiles also do not stand still, like the system itself, and etc. You think the update is only at the factory, it is regular and so, the systems are duplicated, while one is on duty - the double can be updated.

[Dmitry Igorevich]

The deadlines for the return of the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet of the cruiser “Moscow” became known

Come on, come on, get all the old stuff "in line". Chickens do not peck money.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Dmitry Igorevich

Quote: Marconi41

In addition to air defense, this RKR cannot boast of anything.

Air defense is one of the weak points of this trough. It was flawed from the very beginning (as it was "intended"). This is how it is now.

I did not serve on it, so I can’t say for sure, but for some reason they sent him to Syria in the interests of air defense. Still, the Fort is not the worst we have.

[xomaNN]

The Black Sea Fleet has a rescue ship "Communa", which is 100 years old. And in the ranks! And the Moskva RRC, as a platform with a strike missile system and strong air defense, even a 30-year-old is better than nothing. NKs similar in strength and displacement will not appear in the Navy soon. And "Moscow" in 2010 I also found in the dock. Although then he did not go especially on hikes.

[xASPIDx]

And as some are worn out they will not repair, they will not modernize, all sheffff is gone.

[Alexey from Perm]

4 years to repair, yes you oh .. ate