The first PD-14 engines for MS-21 delivered to Irkutsk Aircraft Plant

The first PD-14 engines for MS-21 delivered to Irkutsk Aircraft Plant

The first PD-21 engines were delivered to the Irkutsk aircraft plant, where the assembly of the medium-range passenger aircraft MS-14 is underway. This was reported by the press service of the state corporation Rostec.


In Irkutsk aviation The plant delivered the first turbojet dual-circuit engines PD-14 manufactured by "ODK - Perm Motors". The engines will be installed for the first time on the medium-range airliner MS-21, which is being created in cooperation with the holdings of the state corporation Rostec

- said in a press release distributed by the state corporation.

As it is specified, the engines were transferred to the section for additional assembly of the propulsion systems, and after the incoming inspection procedure, the PD-14 installation on the aircraft, which is already being assembled at the plant, will begin.


Rostekh specified that the first flight of the MS-21 airliner with Russian PD-14 engines will take place this year.

According to the release of the United Engine Corporation (UEC), the PD-14 is the first fully Russian turbofan engine for civil aviation since the 1980s, designed to meet international standards and requirements. The engine with a thrust of 14 tons was created using the latest technologies and materials that provide modern operational characteristics and a high level of environmental friendliness.
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  1. Bykov. 22 January 2020 10: 47 New
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    Well, long and fruitful service. Well done!
    1. Mountain shooter 22 January 2020 11: 33 New
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      God forbid ... A very necessary thing. There is nothing in the world of manufacturers of powerful and economical engines. MotorSich out of the game. It would be necessary to occupy a niche.
      1. TermNachTer 22 January 2020 13: 46 New
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        Well, PD - 14 to D - 18 in traction, is still far away. Although for the sake of truth, it should be noted that the new D-18s are not being produced in Zaporozhye now. When overhauling, the old ones are redone in a new profile and that's it. There are certain doubts that Motor will be able to restart production of the D - 18 in a new way.
        1. Old Michael 22 January 2020 14: 19 New
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          Well, PD - 14 to D - 18 in traction, is still far away.

          So MS-21 is not Ruslan!
          Things got off the ground, and that is already good. And not so long ago, here someone shouted about the phantom of this engine.
        2. NKT
          NKT 22 January 2020 16: 46 New
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          Well, PD - 14 to D - 18 in traction, is still far away.

          PD14 is the A320 / B737 level, even with a certain margin (137kN versus 118kN and 120kN, respectively).
        3. orionvitt 22 January 2020 17: 23 New
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          Quote: TermNachTER
          Well, PD - 14 to D - 18 in traction, is still far away

          But D-436 has already bypassed.
          There are certain doubts that Motor will be able to restart production of the D - 18 in a new way.
          If you stop producing such a complex product as an aircraft engine, then it is very difficult to resume production again. Lost technology, documentation, equipment, specialists, machines do not become younger, and so on. At the Motor Sich in the late 90s, after five years of inactivity, they decided to resume production of the R-95-300 engine (turbojet for cruise missiles). There of that engine (in comparison with the D-18, the smallest and largest), and then, barely barely established. Yes, and not in those volumes and the wrong quality.
          1. TermNachTer 22 January 2020 17: 53 New
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            Comrade "mountain shooter" said about a powerful engine, so I gave D-18 as an example, regardless of what it is installed on. D - 436, after the assembly was discontinued, An - 148, 158, etc., was not needed at all by anyone. Is it only on Be - 200, but there are not so many of them.
            1. orionvitt 22 January 2020 21: 40 New
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              Quote: TermNachTER
              said about a powerful engine

              Dear, I know perfectly well what is installed and what it flies on. And also where and how it is made.
        4. venik 22 January 2020 17: 55 New
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          Quote: TermNachTER
          Well, PD - 14 to D - 18 in traction, is still far away.

          ========
          Oh!!!! It's not so much in "traction"question (then engines different classes there are!) - rather in the destination, profitability, resource, maintenance cost, price, weight and size characteristics, etc., etc. !!!
          Well, you can’t, in fact, compare an engine, for example, for a light “turntable” with engines for an extra-heavy “transporter” - different “weight” categories !!!!
        5. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 19: 34 New
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          Quote: TermNachTER
          Well, PD - 14 to D - 18 in traction, is still far away. Although for the sake of truth, it should be noted that the new D-18s are not being produced in Zaporozhye now. When overhauling, the old ones are redone in a new profile and that's it. There are certain doubts that Motor will be able to restart production of the D - 18 in a new way.

          if my memory serves me, they develop the PD family, and not just one PD14 !!! request
    2. Olgovich 22 January 2020 12: 10 New
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      Quote: Bulls.
      Well, long and fruitful service. Well done!

      waited a long time: finally! yes
      And then they talked a lot about two years ago about him, and then they somehow fell silent. But everything went according to plan!
  2. Svarog 22 January 2020 10: 48 New
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    According to the release of the United Engine Corporation (UEC), PD-14 is the first fully Russian turbofan engine for civil aviation since the 1980s, designed with international standards and requirements in mind. An engine with a thrust of 14 tons was created using the latest technologies and materials that provide modern operational characteristics and a high level of environmental friendliness.

    It would be nice to give a comparison with Western counterparts. In terms of efficiency it is especially interesting.
    1. Zaurbek 22 January 2020 10: 54 New
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      Here, just the comparison will be the most objective. One plane and two turbojet engines ..... and operation on civilian lines. And it’s important to compare the service. This will only benefit PD-14.
    2. Dogma forever 22 January 2020 10: 56 New
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      Declare that more economical and reliable. We will wait and hope that expectations are met.
      1. yfast 22 January 2020 11: 22 New
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        Is it possible in parrots?
    3. dorz 22 January 2020 11: 53 New
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      Quote: Svarog
      It would be nice to give a comparison with Western counterparts. In terms of efficiency it is especially interesting.

      Airbus A321XLR will be able to cover distances up to 8700 km, which is 15% more than the model A321LR, should go into operation in 2023. According to Airbus, fuel consumption per seat in the new version of the A321neo will be 30% less than competing aircraft of the previous generation.
    4. Guillon 23 January 2020 11: 09 New
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      It is necessary not to compare, but to put into series in the domestic market !!! yes Already equated that our aircraft industry was driven into a grave! am
  3. rocket757 22 January 2020 10: 51 New
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    The first engines PD-21 were delivered to the Irkutsk Aircraft Plant, where the assembly of the medium-range passenger aircraft MS-14 is underway. This was reported by the press service of the Rostec state corporation.

    In general, that is the only right way, to restore the production of everything necessary in an amount sufficient for the normal functioning of all industries!
    It is not necessary to grow bananas, but we can eat our own lemons.
    1. Sancho_SP 22 January 2020 10: 57 New
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      Difficult question. Modern Russia has no demand to load aircraft construction. But something does not go for export ...
      1. rocket757 22 January 2020 11: 07 New
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        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Difficult question. Modern Russia has no demand to load aircraft construction. But something does not go for export ...

        Yes, there is a problem generated by the past, MANY errors. But it’s not from scratch that everything will have to start ... maybe structural changes everywhere to carry out the time has come.
        Demand creates supply, it is necessary to create normal demand within the country, for starters. If / when it goes, it will be possible to move outside, with finished, tested products and a ready-made service infrastructure. It's time to start ... with yourself!
        1. NEOZ 22 January 2020 11: 16 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Yes, there is a problem generated by the past, MANY errors. But it’s not from scratch that everything will have to start ...

          the main problem is the lack of population ...
          1. rocket757 22 January 2020 11: 21 New
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            Quote: NEOZ
            the main problem is the lack of population ...

            This, already, is not a mistake, it is a disaster !!! Generated by various reasons, but the state, in the person of ... various bureaucrats and .... such "servants of the people" here, has made a considerable, OWN, contribution to the creation of this disaster.
            1. NEOZ 22 January 2020 11: 53 New
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              Quote: rocket757
              but the state, represented by ... various bureaucrats and .... such "servants of the people" here, has made a fair, OWN, contribution to the creation of this trouble.

              Apparently, in these countries, officials are all right:
              PLACE COUNTRY POPULATION GROWTH (%)
              1 Bahrain 4.31
              2 Niger 3.82
              3 Equatorial Guinea 3.66
              4 Oman 3.59
              5 Uganda 3.59
              6 Maldives 3.45
              7 Angola 3.29
              8 Dem Resp Congo 3.22
              1. rocket757 22 January 2020 12: 01 New
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                Invalid comparison. Among the northern, "developed" countries, we are not in last place, although the coefficient of 1,75 does not contribute to population growth, the more we decrease this .......
                In short, even the measures being taken now and planned, will not fundamentally correct the situation.
                "ERROR" is already in the brain, those who can / should breed and multiply.
                1. NEOZ 22 January 2020 12: 26 New
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  "ERROR" is already in the brain, those who can / should breed and multiply.

                  only in the regions of the North Caucasus there is no such mistake ... why?
                  1. rocket757 22 January 2020 12: 37 New
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                    I won’t declare about the mentality and lack of obstacles ... maybe people have plans and hopes for a good future.
                    It is difficult to say, it is necessary to have specific knowledge, information ... in short, I will not guess.
              2. Ingvar 72 22 January 2020 12: 04 New
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                In Bahrain and Oman, officials are all right; their living standards are better than in Europe.
                1. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 19: 40 New
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                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  In Bahrain and Oman, officials are all right; their living standards are better than in Europe.

                  move there to live ... do not forget to capture your wife ... and be sure to take more of your female relatives !!! then share your impressions !!! laughing
                  PS ... and do not forget to meet there against all the bad for all the good !!! wink wassat
                  1. Ingvar 72 22 January 2020 20: 47 New
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                    Quote: Nikolai Grek
                    move there live.

                    And I want that living here would be no worse than in Bahrain, and that my Motherland would not degrade, but flourish. But you and your government are slowly but surely pushing the country to the edge. But do not worry, you will get these 30 pieces of silver for which you work here, sideways. Karma is a stubborn thing, and the return of parental labor often goes to children. Have you thought about this? fool
                    1. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 21: 15 New
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                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      than in Bahrain

                      You didn’t follow my advice, so you do not need to put forward this thesis as an axiom !!! wassat
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And I want that living here would be no worse than in Bahrain, and that my Motherland would not degrade, but flourish.

                      then mess up less about “prosperity” in other countries, about which you have a mediocre idea, and do more in your own !! and look at life realistically, and not through the prism of navalnisto-voshny perception !!! fool laughing
                      1. Ingvar 72 22 January 2020 21: 54 New
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                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        you did not follow my advice

                        Sense to listen to the advice of regular trolls? They don’t advise anything smart, one badass per person, nothing on the topic. I’m looking, today there’s a lot of yours on the site, yesterday-the day before it was several times less. Yes, and that week yours was less. Is troubles in your trolls today, or was there equipment prevention? wink
                        Quote: Nikolai Grek
                        then less mess about "prosperity" in other countries

                        And what, will it get better right away? belay
                      2. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 22: 11 New
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                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        nothing on the topic.

                        everything is just on the topic ... you just pretend to be a hose !!! request an alternative is that you’re from Bahrain / Oman after at least 2-3 years of living there !!! wink Nah, the first option ?? !!! laughing
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And what, will it get better right away?

                        at least you will not have pseudo-ideals for comparison !! lol
                  2. NEOZ 24 January 2020 11: 56 New
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                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    And I want to live here no worse than

                    want is not harmful...
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    But you and your government are slowly but surely pushing the country to the edge

                    what do you mean? give examples of pushing to the edge facts / actions / consequences / figures ... as well as your analysis and your suggestions on these issues ...
                    and then all the slogans are much to yell, but in the case there is nothing to say !!!!
        2. Krasnoyarsk 22 January 2020 11: 36 New
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          Quote: NEOZ
          the main problem is the lack of population ...

          What ??? And how many unemployed are there in the country? All that is needed is a sensible leader, able to properly dispose of this force.
          Alexander Vasilievich - "They fight not by number, but by skill"
          1. NEOZ 22 January 2020 11: 45 New
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            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            What ??? And how many unemployed are there in the country? Only a sensible leader is needed

            you are mistaken and mislead others ...
            I will give an example:
            conditionally
            In 2008, the Russian car market amounted to 3 million units of new cars. - These sales served 20 thousand. sales managers. - FURTHER CRISIS - market decline by 50% - in 2009 the Russian car market was 1,2 million units of new cars.
            QUESTION: how many sales managers will lose their jobs?
            1. Krasnoyarsk 22 January 2020 11: 52 New
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              Quote: NEOZ
              QUESTION: how many sales managers will lose their jobs?

              I will not answer your question because I do not understand the phrase - sales manager.
              1. NEOZ 22 January 2020 11: 59 New
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                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                I will not answer your question because I do not understand the phrase - sales manager.

                You are well done! joke about you:
                - Comrade military, are we going to the station right?
                - What is right there? The ankle wobbles, the blow of the foot is not clear, and indeed not in the foot ...

                ps
                You are not ready for a constructive dialogue, if only you would have garlopan slogans at rallies ...
                it is sad...
                1. Krasnoyarsk 22 January 2020 12: 05 New
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                  Quote: NEOZ
                  it is sad...

                  And how sad I am, you have no idea. - so clever, but can’t use the Russian language, more and more on slang.
              2. bk316 22 January 2020 12: 19 New
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                I don’t understand the phrase - sales manager.

                Do not you understand or troll?
                1. NEOZ 22 January 2020 12: 24 New
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                  Quote: bk316
                  Do not you understand or troll?

                  moving away from constructive dialogue to verbiage ...
                  1. Krasnoyarsk 22 January 2020 13: 25 New
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                    Quote: NEOZ
                    moving away from constructive dialogue to verbiage ...

                    Are you normal? Would you have a "constructive dialogue" with me in Turkish?
                    Sure - no. So what do you want from me? Go to a language that I understand, let's talk.
                    1. NEOZ 22 January 2020 15: 56 New
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                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      Go to a language that I understand, let's talk.

                      Only a sensible leader is needed

                      on what basis is this conclusion made?
                      Alexander Vasilievich - "They fight not by number, but by skill"

                      Napoleon: Dieu est toujours pour les gros bataillons, God is always on the side of large battalions.
                      if you think that it’s only a sensible leader, then give examples of countries and its leader (with a population of up to 150 million people) that independently produces: ships of the ocean zone, submarines, fighter jets, bombers, narrow / wide / fuselage / passenger / cargo planes and engines for them, tanks and other armored combat vehicles. and other high-tech products.
                      give examples of such countries.
                    2. Krasnoyarsk 22 January 2020 18: 39 New
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                      Quote: NEOZ

                      Napoleon: Dieu est toujours pour les gros bataillons, God is always on the side of large battalions.

                      For which there was a bit.
                      Quote: NEOZ
                      on what basis is this conclusion made?

                      What is the conclusion? What is an intelligent leader needed? Those. Is this conclusion ambiguous for you? You have not decided who is closer to you, sensible or stupid?
                      An intelligent leader always has a huge number of plans and an understanding of how to implement them and only a shortage of labor constrains their implementation. The stupid leader also has a lot of floodlights, but there is not enough sense in how to do this and therefore he has crowds of unemployed.
                      And the fact that the country is doing something is not yet unemployed, as they say, not thanks, but in spite of.
                    3. NEOZ 23 January 2020 11: 25 New
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                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      What is the conclusion? What is an intelligent leader needed?

                      slogan (for all good versus all bad)
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      You have not decided who is closer to you, sensible or stupid?

                      again the slogan !!!!
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      An intelligent leader always has a lot of plans and an understanding of how to implement them.

                      the slogan again !!!!! (for all the good)
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      The stupid leader also has a lot of floodlights, but there’s not enough sense how to do it

                      This is again a slogan !!!! (against all the bad)
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      And the fact that the country is doing something is not yet unemployed, as they say, not thanks, but in spite of.

                      Yes, yes, the USSR also won in spite of ......
                      Conclusion: essentially you have nothing to say, you are not able to confirm / refute with figures and / or facts.
                      You are just a spokesman for slogans in the square ...
                      you are not capable of any constructive dialogue ...
                    4. Krasnoyarsk 23 January 2020 17: 09 New
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                      Quote: NEOZ
                      you are not capable of any constructive dialogue ...

                      Yeah, you "eat me", in your posts a continuous constructive ...
                      Kindly, go ... no, you misunderstood me, just go.
                2. Elturisto 24 January 2020 00: 04 New
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                  Tell us, lad about the bombers and wide-body airliners produced in Russia in 30 years, and then go through gas turbines for the Navy’s helicopters, power engineers and don’t forget about the turbines for gas plants novotek ...
                3. NEOZ 24 January 2020 11: 44 New
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                  Quote: ElTuristo
                  Tell us, lad about production over 30 years in Russia.

                  where I argued that all of the above is done in the Russian Federation?
    2. NKT
      NKT 22 January 2020 23: 09 New
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      QUESTION: how many sales managers will lose their jobs?

      12000? But in real life there will hardly be a directly proportional dependence.
  4. Rzzz 24 January 2020 22: 16 New
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    And how many unemployed are there in the country?

    Add to the unemployed all those who are engaged in non-production areas, since these people do not create goods, but only consume them. The entire range of services - from janitors to hairdressers. Doctors and teachers too. All government officials. The entire army, police and the Russian Guard.
    This is the “liabilities" of the macroeconomics, which should be in proportion with the "asset" that produces real products. When there is a bias in the "passive" - ​​the economy goes into inflation, the more the bias, the stronger.
    1. Golovan Jack 24 January 2020 22: 33 New
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      these people do not create goods, but only consume them. The entire range of services - from janitors to hairdressers. Doctors and teachers too

      Yeah. That is, you are ready to walk unstable, sick and knee-deep in the mud. I wonder how long it takes what

      Quote: rzzz
      "passive" macroeconomics, which should be in proportion to the "asset" producing real products

      What is meant by "real products"? Matches? Tanks? Or maybe something intangible is included there?

      And? wink
      1. Rzzz 25 January 2020 00: 27 New
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        You really don’t understand, or are you kidding in such a peculiar way? I’m not ready to go sick, just as much as the doctor is not ready to go hungry, undressed, and yes, without matches either. These are the fundamentals of economics; this should almost be taught at school. Although for today's school I will not say what they teach there.
        The real sector means any tangible product for which they are willing to pay money. In the amount that the market needs.
        1. Golovan Jack 25 January 2020 09: 14 New
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          Quote: rzzz
          The real sector means any tangible goods

          Is software, for example, a tangible product?

          Quote: rzzz
          ... goods for which they are willing to pay money ...

          ... he is not always "material."

          Quote: rzzz
          Are you ... kidding me?

          Me not. And you?
          1. Rzzz 26 January 2020 23: 22 New
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            Software is a product, but not tangible. And he also has a peculiar feature, software has the ability to multiply wassat, the manufacturer can issue as many copies as you like, practically without increasing its costs, this does not work on tangible goods. And yet - not the software itself is sold, but a license for it. Therefore, classic pricing mechanisms in the software market do not work very well. But, nevertheless, software is a product, and it belongs to the “good”, real sector of the economy.
            1. Golovan Jack 26 January 2020 23: 39 New
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              Quote: rzzz
              software is a product, and it belongs to the "good", real sector of the economy

              Right.

              The next question (I won’t go far from software so far) is IT consulting services a product, or what? Example: a Corus Consulting thread promises to implement ERP-system implementation in the "Horns and Hooves" office in a Ryazan thread for finite money. And, lo and behold - even does what he promised.

              Question: are Corus Consulting services a product? wink
            2. Rzzz 26 January 2020 23: 57 New
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              If without this service that software cannot be used, then this service is an integral part of the product, and is included in its price.
              If the software will work without this service, then this is a separate service, and it does not apply to the real sector.
              I am sorry, I do not know what ERP systems are, and what they eat with.
  5. Krasnoyarsk 25 January 2020 00: 39 New
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    Add to the unemployed all those who are engaged in non-production areas, since

    I absolutely agree with you in posing the question. But here I can’t classify the sphere of services as a “liability”, like doctors and teachers. But hefty men working to protect the bodies of bandits and half-bandits, watchmen, sellers, bouncers in all kinds of nightlife, all kinds of intermediaries, etc., etc., etc. etc., all must be returned to productive labor. But no one is waiting for them. Because our economy is in stagnation thanks to the wise leadership of the departed.
    1. Rzzz 26 January 2020 23: 31 New
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      I never wanted to offend these noble professions, but you try, in the order of delirium fantasy, to imagine a country where there are only doctors, teachers, and even less noble - hairdressers, office managers and salespeople, and absolutely noble ones, like the ones you mentioned. What will become of such a country? That's right, will die out of hunger in a few days. These professions do not produce material values, which means that for the economic well-being of the country there should be a certain amount of such people, and money rotating in this "non-commodity" sphere should also not exceed certain limits. Then everything will be fine in the economy.
  • rich 22 January 2020 11: 27 New
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    Svarog (Vladimir) : It would be nice to give a comparison with Western counterparts.

    Look, Vladimir




    1. Krasnoyarsk 22 January 2020 11: 58 New
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      Quote: Rich
      Look, Vladimir

      Judging by the performance characteristics, PD-14 does not stand out. But there is one thing. He is ours (!) And costs our aircraft builders cheaper than imported! And more, for now, we do not need anything.
      1. UAndrey 22 January 2020 14: 43 New
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        It allows our hard workers to receive a salary, to pay tax deductions for salaries to doctors and teachers. This is also a plus.
        1. Den717 22 January 2020 15: 14 New
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          Quote: UAndrey
          This is also a plus.

          It is not just "too." This is perhaps the most important thing. After all, those 5-6 million dollars for each engine will not go to another country, and unfriendly, but will remain and will work in our country.
      2. Kurare 22 January 2020 18: 51 New
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        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        He is ours (!) And costs our aircraft builders cheaper than imported! And more, for now, we do not need anything.

        The most interesting thing is that the “more” will spit out by itself. Work on the continuous improvement of the motor, the creation of new modifications (PD-10, PD-18). From design experience, the creation of a new PD-35.

        The most important, at the moment, will achieve the proper quality and after-sales service. Well, a little state support in the form of, for example, protective duties on competitors' products.
      3. Stena 23 January 2020 09: 34 New
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        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Judging by the performance characteristics, PD-14 does not stand out.

        First of all - the price!
        The second is lower specific fuel consumption - that is, operating costs.
        And the most important thing you indicated is independence in the field of engine manufacturing for civil aviation.
        1. Rzzz 24 January 2020 22: 27 New
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          Quote: Stena
          First of all - the price!


          This is if you want to put it as a decoration in front of the house.

          In actual use, two factors are important.
          1. Reliability. Because just a few downtimes due to breakdowns will save your savings in the red. Therefore, the bone is better to pay more when buying, but get a hassle-free job.
          2. Service and supply. Why didn’t the superjet take off? Because the plane must fly, and not wait a month from the factory for the wiper motor. Airbus promises to deliver any part from the catalog to any country in the world in no more than a day. Until we do something similar, we will not even take motors for free.

          At work, I am now engaged in the operation of ships, there are also Soviet-era steamboats, and there are also new buildings. I know what I'm talking about.
          1. Stena 26 January 2020 04: 35 New
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            Quote: rzzz
            This is if you want to put it as a decoration in front of the house.

            In actual use, two factors are important.
            1. Reliability. Because just a few downtimes due to breakdowns will save your savings in the red. Therefore, the bone is better to pay more when buying, but get a hassle-free job.
            At work, I am now engaged in the operation of ships, there are also Soviet-era steamboats, and there are also new buildings. I know what I'm talking about.

            why are you writing this to me?
            comrade with nickname Krasnoyarsk suggests that
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Judging by the performance characteristics, PD-14 does not stand out.

            in the above advertising booklets there is no assessment of reliability and service with supply.
            and from the considered characteristics, the main difference is the price. no more. about which it was indicated.
            Quote: Stena
            First of all - the price!


            Quote: rzzz
            2. Service and supply. Why didn’t the superjet take off? Because the plane must fly, and not wait a month from the factory for the wiper motor. Airbus promises to deliver any part from the catalog to any country in the world in no more than a day. Until we do something similar, we will not even take motors for free.

            regarding reliability - the probability of failure or MTBF and the cost of damage or its correction at a given time are important.
            Aircraft and motor are different objects. The superjet has a French motor. here the French panic about this and arrange!
            what is SaMa’s worthless logistics, well, or “Service and Supply”.
            Quote: rzzz
            Until we do something similar, we will not even take motors for free.

            when the UEC comes into full force, everything will be in order. by analogy with oil and gas.
            how else to fight with two world monopolists for the civil aviation market?
            1. Rzzz 26 January 2020 23: 43 New
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              Quote: Stena
              Aircraft and motor are different objects. The superjet has a French motor. here the French panic about this and arrange!

              The aircraft manufacturer is responsible for the fact that he screwed it to his airplane for rubbish. If the plane has a bad engine, then this is a bad plane.
              If you buy a car, and there the motor will jam, who will you blame? The manufacturer of the car, or the Indian who crookedly turned the piston?

              Quote: Stena
              when the UEC comes into full force, everything will be in order.

              God forbid! These corporations, on the contrary, should soon fall apart! This is nothing more than official state “laundries” for withdrawing budget money to private shops. They rake a lot of money, do nothing themselves, pay a penny to factories and design bureaus, the price of products is frantic with extremely low quality. It is beneficial for them that the aircraft be developed for decades, so that as much as possible to "master" the dough.
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                Quote: rzzz
                These corporations, on the contrary, should soon fall apart! This is nothing more than official state “laundries” for withdrawing budget money to private shops. They rake a lot of money, do nothing themselves, pay a penny to factories and design bureaus, the price of products is frantic with extremely low quality. It is beneficial for them that the aircraft be developed for decades, so that as much as possible to "master" the dough.

                Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité?
                You are not at the address.
                I am a supporter of state regulation of the economy.
                Quote: rzzz
                The aircraft manufacturer is responsible for the fact that he screwed it to his airplane for rubbish. If the plane has a bad engine, then this is a bad plane.
                If you buy a car, and there the motor will jam, who will you blame? The manufacturer of the car, or the Indian who crookedly turned the piston?

                The aircraft manufacturer is responsible for the input and output control of its product. As well as the manufacturer of the motor. And if those types of control reveal inconsistencies of those. documentation - then such a product is sent for completion (alteration).
                In particular, the engines for the Superjet - French production. Produced by the joint Franco-Russian office "PowerJet". The "hot part" is produced by Snecma factories (France). The Cold Part - NPO Saturn. Questions to them.
                Do you not know this? Then everything that you wrote about production (including the problems of engine building for the civilian sector) is not true.
                1. Rzzz 27 January 2020 14: 02 New
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                  I know perfectly well who produces the miracle motor. It is the developer’s fault that he chose such a motor, and it does not matter who makes it. An airline pays money for a finished plane, not for a do-it-yourself set.

                  I agree that "state regulation of the economy" is good in some cases. But what all our "corporations" and "concerns" do is completely different. These are not even state enterprises. And they do NOT produce ANYTHING, only pump money.
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                  Quote: rzzz
                  It is the developer’s fault that he chose such a motor, and it does not matter who makes it. An airline pays money for a finished plane, not for a do-it-yourself set.

                  No. This is a manipulation.
                  For when designing, several alternatives are offered. And the situation with the choice of specifically SaM motor, at that time was dictated by the conditions and the possibility of conquering part of the market (that is, demand). At that time there were no reasonable assumptions about the economic war against Russia on such a scale. Now it’s finally clear that the Russian Federation will not be allowed to enter the world civil aviation market. Therefore, the orientation mainly on own forces is justified and in the near future there will be a Russian engine for these aircraft (as well as for the MS-21).
                  Quote: rzzz
                  But what all our "corporations" and "concerns" do is completely different. These are not even state enterprises. And they do NOT produce ANYTHING, only pump money.

                  It is not.
                  And the most striking example in this is the State Atomic Energy Agency Rosatom.
                  And in other areas we will come to the forefront. It takes a little time. And patience.
  • Svarog 22 January 2020 13: 14 New
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    Look, Vladimir

    Thank you .. consumption is basically at a level, takeoff thrust a little more. You could say caught up. This is good, but it would be very good to overtake)
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      Quote: Svarog
      This is good, but it would be very good to overtake)

      Competitors built up their offspring from decades of experience, experience and hundreds of sold engines. Any road begins with the first step. Although, as the great aircraft designer Bartini said, if you can’t surpass, you need to "cut" wink
  • hydrox 22 January 2020 11: 37 New
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    Here you need to take a different approach: for each type of aircraft that has problems or restrictions on use, you need to have a dependency sheet: almost all civilian planes depend, all helicopters depend, all the more promising in development, 10 years without Be-200 engines (real money is lying on the road, the world needs more than 100 cars, a year ago only the USA wanted to buy 20 cars at once!).
    And according to this statement, track financial losses for which engine builders will have to answer.
    And these are not only engines for aviation, for the Navy - the same problems: both with turbines and with diesel engines. And LNG turbines for the Arctic fleet, for gas carriers?
  • Wolf 22 January 2020 15: 22 New
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    Demand creates supply

    And on the back the OFFER creates demand! wink
  • letinant 22 January 2020 11: 24 New
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    Well, what kind of country do we have? They did something and immediately sell abroad. Master your market, we need at least a hundred aircraft. If the declared characteristics are confirmed and others will catch up. And then some kind of cognitive dissonance turns out, we make planes, we sell abroad, we fly on Boeing and beads ourselves.
    1. AU Ivanov. 22 January 2020 12: 21 New
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      Question. How do you make our airlines buy a domestic product?
      1. letinant 22 January 2020 12: 37 New
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        By a quantitative limit, protective duties, criminal cases against lobbyists of foreign companies (we have a bribe). Cruel, dishonest, yes. Only Boeing Airlines in 2016 allocated $ 2 million. lobbying interests in the Russian Federation.
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          How, after these barrage measures, will air transportation tariffs change? And which way? Only benefits and protection of airlines operating our equipment can help here.
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            Airlines on regional lines and so on receive money from the state.
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        Only product quality and service. No other way. AvtoVAZ is an example of this.
  • BARKAS 22 January 2020 11: 32 New
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    Demand by demand and there will be enough capacity to provide this demand?
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      Quote: BARKAS
      Demand by demand and there will be enough capacity to provide this demand?

      If there is demand, capacity needs to be developed.
  • Nastia makarova 22 January 2020 12: 23 New
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    if you throw out all the Boeing then the demand will be
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      They will leave if they offer better! wink
      1. Nastia makarova 22 January 2020 15: 39 New
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        yourself never))) only throw
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          This is a citizen, and you buy a boot for quality and beauty, or because they are from the United States or France? wink
          1. Nastia makarova 22 January 2020 15: 59 New
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            I choose a brand, the quality is often even not very good from France, 90% Turkey or China, but planes can be banned from buying from abroad, for example, to increase duties
            1. Wolf 22 January 2020 16: 14 New
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              Nastya was beaten with a joke metaphor. smile France never knew how to make good shoes! Italians yes, ali only for continental Europe and for moderate climate. For northern Europe and Rusiu, no Italian is already doing a sufficient quality. etc...... smile It’s possible, they will file duties, or it’s counter-productive (all prohibitions are in the HEAD CONTRA PRODUCT) Lushche how they do it STANDARDIMA AND GUEST! They have plundered the system for centuries without competition, they must destroy the system, not the Borits, and the system will follow! wink
              1. Nastia makarova 23 January 2020 07: 44 New
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                What country do you live in?
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                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  What country do you live in?

                  He lives in Serbia.
  • Pete mitchell 22 January 2020 13: 04 New
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    Modern Russia has no demand to load aircraft ...

    Sorry, but I do not agree with you: what does it mean there is no demand? Does a country of this size have no demand for a good plane? How many airliners are needed: there will be planes, it will be possible to get rid of Western equipment, these are several hundred cars and replace them for more than one year of operation. There will be saturation of your market, you can see how it is organized and reformat it. You need to work for the country and yourself beloved.
    I also agree with
    Quote: rocket757
    it’s not from scratch that everything will have to start ... maybe structural changes everywhere to carry out the time has come.
    1. Wolf 22 January 2020 15: 28 New
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      [quoteA country of this size has no demand for a good plane?] [/ quote]
      A country of this size AIR MASTERS TRANSPORT IMPORTANT !!! Otherwise, transport begins to bat a brake on the development of the country! wink We need a lot of planes and more!
    2. Sancho_SP 22 January 2020 19: 26 New
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      "A few hundred cars" Airbus makes in a year. And sells all over the world. This is mass production.

      If we set the task to fill the fleet, the Russian airline will say over 20 years (so that it would be renewed at the same production rate) - no more than 50 cars should be produced per year.

      With such a pace of production (and this is already a very optimistic figure), we will not be able to make airplanes cheaper and better. Simply, development costs in the price of each side will make up a much larger share.

      Joint projects with China can more or less extend, but in such projects we will most likely buy purely Chinese cars in 10 years.
      1. Pete mitchell 22 January 2020 20: 27 New
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        "A few hundred cars" Airbus makes in a year. And sells all over the world. This is mass production.

        To satisfy the needs of the Russian Federation alone, it makes no sense to restrain the pace of production, the pace of development of air transportation will allow to absorb any reasonable number of aircraft per year. Now they promise 70 pieces a year, this is not much, Russia will digest easily. It is necessary to organize the process, I hope there is someone and enough will.
        If you want to purchase 737 or А320 - stand in line for several years, the MS will be in production.
        How did Choi sing ...
    3. Rzzz 24 January 2020 22: 38 New
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      Quote: Pete Mitchell
      Does a country of this size have no demand for a good plane?

      There is demand, there is no offer. Plus, somehow, foreign leasing companies need to vparit domestic product, and this will also be difficult.
      1. Pete mitchell 25 January 2020 01: 16 New
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        The plane will be anyway, you look there and local leasing companies will catch up, followed by insurers and the process will go a little. Of course, I would like to see Russian aviation on Russian planes faster, but as is
        1. Rzzz 26 January 2020 23: 35 New
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          Why did I say about foreign lessors wassat Our airlines will not take planes with Russian registration. Horse taxes, and monstrous bureaucracy.
          And if it goes through domestic leasing companies, then there will be a price like an intergalactic starship.
          1. Pete mitchell 27 January 2020 00: 00 New
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            I would like to hope that responsible people understand that the development of civil aviation depends not only on the availability of airplanes: if you want to have your own civil aviation, you need to pull up all the related directions. Otherwise, moving bourgeois planes will fail even on the domestic market; falling out of the cage of leaders will cost the destruction of its production base, design school .... Either the state intervenes with all of its administrative apparatus, or after a decade will remain to remember the glorious times
  • Piramidon 22 January 2020 13: 12 New
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    Modern Russia has no demand to load aircraft construction.

    Doesn’t civil aviation exist in Russia? belay
  • orionvitt 22 January 2020 17: 33 New
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    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Modern Russia has no demand to load aircraft

    Is it in Russia that, with its distances, there is no demand for air transportation? The question is only to approach. Of course, it’s easier to do nothing, but to buy a used one abroad. They are only happy there. For some reason, in the vast majority of countries, there are laws on the priority of their own producer over foreign ones, but not in Russia. I will not say anything about cars, I still have to pull it up, But Russian planes are no worse than foreign ones. And taking into account the fact that they are imprisoned for the Russian infrastructure, then the operation will be cheaper. The main thing is not to sit still.
    1. Sancho_SP 22 January 2020 19: 30 New
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      Oddly enough, yes. Aircraft carry not distances, but solvent passengers. But with this we do not really.

      True, buying your own is more profitable than foreign at any price. But, on the contrary, in the absence of competition (or its restriction), we can forever lag behind.

      The infrastructure of the Russian Federation is already imprisoned for Boeing and Airbus. Late. Our new aircraft will be manufactured, certified and fly according to "their" rules in any case.
      1. Pete mitchell 22 January 2020 20: 29 New
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        The infrastructure of the Russian Federation is already imprisoned for Boeing and Airbus

        A state to clarify? What infrastructure
        1. orionvitt 23 January 2020 15: 57 New
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          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          A state to clarify? What infrastructure

          Yes, at least that the documentation is in Russian. Oils, spare parts, specialized fluids, test benches, specialists, all their own, so to speak native. This is so offhand, without going deep. Few?
          1. Pete mitchell 23 January 2020 16: 19 New
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            Do not consider it work, correct me: it was about the infrastructure already sharpened by boeing & airbus, and this will complicate the commissioning of the MS. Well, at least I understood it and it surprised me: what is the problem of developing infrastructure on its territory? When are all the assembly lines at hand? Consumables should not be a problem at all. Documentation does not need to be translated, which is not very cheap. Here is the development of the spare parts supply system - this is really a task, there are more negative examples than good ones.
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              I mean, mine is always cheaper and more profitable. Factor of. Russia, one of the few countries that is capable of this. How to increase the capitalization of Western companies.
              1. Pete mitchell 23 January 2020 16: 45 New
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                I completely agree with you: the Russian Federation should use its aircraft and engines, and then the entire infrastructure will be tightened. Invested money will pay off: the development of technology, jobs, taxes and other and other .... Own territory for their own in the first place. When Russian civil aviation can cope with the demand at home, you can look around
    2. bullet 22 January 2020 19: 49 New
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      But Russian planes are no worse than foreign ones.

      Yes? Really?
      And can you name their brands?
      Just do not call the SSJ100, the degree of its Russian localization is only 30%.
      Yes, and MS-21 promise only 50%.
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        The degree of localization of the Boeing, or Airbus, can you name? I’ll tell you, with the world on a thread, manufacturers of aircraft. This is not to say about the rest who pick up the crumbs from the "master's table". There is no localization at all.
  • VicktorVR 24 January 2020 08: 26 New
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    Therefore, the state should finance promising and necessary developments for the country.
    And leave the "invisible hand of the market" for consumer goods at best.
  • FORCE 38GB 22 January 2020 10: 55 New
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    News that really pleases the soul! :) Keep it up !!! good drinks
  • Nikolay87 22 January 2020 10: 56 New
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    Have they already been skated on ILs?
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      Back in 16, if memory serves, 76 flew with PD-14.
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  • Andrey Mikhaylov 22 January 2020 10: 56 New
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    Well, as they say with God, things have gone ..
  • Victor March 47 22 January 2020 11: 05 New
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    I think when the actual actual characteristics of the engine (and the aircraft) become known, our brothers in the EU will definitely come up with changes in the standards for aircraft, excluding the possibility of the MS-21 flying over their territory. For example, they will make the permissible engine noise level a couple of decibels lower, published by PD 14. This has been done more than once, and what I wrote here is not my invention.
    1. NordUral 22 January 2020 11: 15 New
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      Under normal power (our power) there will always be a cunning nut on their bolt. And for starters, this and other sides and your market would be saturated, to replace the western.
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      Quote: Victor March 47
      I think when the actual actual characteristics of the engine (and the aircraft) become known, our brothers in the EU will definitely come up with changes in the standards for aircraft, excluding the possibility of the MS-21 flying over their territory. For example, they will make the permissible engine noise level a couple of decibels lower, published by PD 14. This has been done more than once, and what I wrote here is not my invention.

      And ours can’t find any aphids forbidden in the tires of airbuses ...?
    3. NEOZ 22 January 2020 11: 17 New
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      our brothers in the EU will definitely come up with changes in aircraft standards

      100% will be so !!!!
      1. PROXOR 22 January 2020 12: 50 New
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        Well then, SHARPLY Airbus will not comme il faut over Russia. Until 1991, our Tupolevs and Ilyushins flew as part of Aeroflot around the world and no one was tweeting.
        1. cniza 22 January 2020 12: 58 New
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          There are many options for how to calm them down and a reasonable compromise will be found.
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          Quote: PROXOR
          Until 1991, our Tupolevs and Ilyushins flew as part of Aeroflot around the world and no one was tweeting.

          Until 1991, no one considered the costs of their operation. And when they began to count, Tu and Ily immediately stretched in orderly rows to the scrap. To its deserved place.
          1. PROXOR 23 January 2020 10: 33 New
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            You apparently did not catch my promise. I wrote about 1991, not by the parameter, the cost of transporting one passenger, but by the fact that the engines on the Tu-154, Il-62 and Il-86 did not differ in reduced environmental friendliness and noise. And no one was drinking in Geyrop about noisy Russian airplanes.
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              Then Europe itself flew on the JT3C, but it was half a century ago !!
              Like this:

              Now they’re not allowed to fly anywhere.
              1. PROXOR 25 January 2020 01: 23 New
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                You write now heresy. If you take at least 1990, then foreign companies already had a Boeing 747 and 767. The airbus had an A310 and an A320.
      2. Wolf 22 January 2020 15: 55 New
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        They came up with a tricky system for INFORMAL COMPETITION, one of these systems eats STANDARDI AIR CERTIFICATION !!! There are many ways that Boritsa can oppose it, because GOST must beat the FIRST on the internal market, and on the international standard of their standards. Then, before the OUN, it will raise the question of INFORMAL COMPETITION in international trade.! It is possible, and with the Chinese, to draw up a certification system for inter-two-seat aircraft construction for ASIU with 2-3 bolts for their aircraft, and many other ways can. There is no need to wait for Odra одatsia, but to attack against their cunning systems of stewing home production! ATTACK HIMSELF THE BEST DEFENSE! ASIA YOURSELF IMPORTANT PLANE OF PLANES AND YOURSELF AND CURRENTLY WILL BE IN THE FUTURE! You can crush them in different ways only if you want to eat! ;)
        wink
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          For this it is necessary and in a normal, high-quality production of aircraft, in sufficient quantities!
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            And the advanced standards of modern aircraft construction must be DECORATED IN ASIA, but there is no agreement on their stand! wink
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      Quote: Victor March 47
      our brothers in the EU are sure to come up with changes to the standards for aircraft, excluding the possibility of MS-21 flying over their territory.

      From these "brothers" just wait for the dirty tricks.
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      For example, they will make the permissible engine noise level a couple of decibels lower, published by PD 14. This has been done more than once, and what I wrote here is not my invention.

      Engines must be able to do. Just business.
      But there have always been problems with this in the USSR and Russia. There were NEVER such engines. And PD-14 is also still unknown how they will show themselves.
    6. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 20: 59 New
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      Quote: Victor March 47
      I think when the actual actual characteristics of the engine (and the aircraft) become known, our brothers in the EU will definitely come up with changes in the standards for aircraft, excluding the possibility of the MS-21 flying over their territory. For example, they will make the permissible engine noise level a couple of decibels lower, published by PD 14. This has been done more than once, and what I wrote here is not my invention.

      in this case we have something to answer !! at least block our airspace with them !! wink
  • Last centurion 22 January 2020 11: 08 New
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    I hope everything will be ok with the service and spare parts, and not like one well-known airplane ...
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    I rejoice and do not believe together ...
    1. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 21: 00 New
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      Quote: arhitroll
      I rejoice and do not believe together ...

      vidos spices for you done !! wassat drinks
  • NordUral 22 January 2020 11: 12 New
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    At least one good news this morning. Success to peasants, it’s high time to fly on your own!
  • Zaurbek 22 January 2020 11: 22 New
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    It is strange that for the SGS are not equipped with two types of turbojet engines.
  • Pavel57 22 January 2020 11: 33 New
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    Potentially, the MC-21 has a good market with Boeing’s problems, including the PD-14.
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      Quote: Pavel57
      Potentially, the MC-21 has a good market with Boeing’s problems, including the PD-14.

      As it were, MS-21-300 yes. But, I think, they will replace the 321st Airbas.
  • Jurkovs 22 January 2020 11: 40 New
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    Control must be strengthened many times. To "friends" did not arrange an accident on the first flight. For them, this is the most convenient time to steal the idea itself.
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    The first all-Russian turbofan engine for civil aviation since the 1980s, designed to meet international standards and requirements.


    Wait, now only withstand criticism and as they say - there is no limit to improvement.
  • Nait 22 January 2020 12: 59 New
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    "partners" will impose sanctions on the engine, find a reason to block
    MC-21 road.

    And yet, I read about the planned volumes of engine production - somehow I was not impressed.

    Will they be able to produce enough engines for the MC21?
    After all, it is quite possible that they will need more than planned,
    for it is not a fact that tomorrow the deliveries of the PW1400G will not be closed.

    We are waiting for PD-7 for Superjet 100!
    1. Romanenko 22 January 2020 13: 34 New
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      Quote: "Will they be able to produce enough engines for the MC21?"
      After all, it is quite possible that they will need more than planned,
      for it’s not a fact that tomorrow the deliveries of the PW1400G will not be closed. "
      Of course, “partners” will be able to make a mistake, but then it’s time for us to release our own engines, because the projects of the developed aircraft are in the queue for our engines.
      Demand will increase, so it will be necessary to increase output ...
      As for international certification, don’t worry about it, the engines are certified according to the list of technical and environmental requirements, so I hope it’s impossible to spoil it here, unless we do it ourselves, but everything seems to go fine here, how many prototypes have already been tested and driven .
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        Quote: Romanenko
        engines are certified according to the list of technical and environmental requirements

        And who sets these requirements? What should they slightly correct them so that our engine does not reach them?
        As the saying goes - "If a gentleman cannot win by the rules, then he changes the rules"
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          Well, this is unlikely, then you will have to select certificates from Pratt and Wittney, our engines are made taking into account the requirements for international certification. So your fears most likely will not be justified smile
  • Romanenko 22 January 2020 13: 28 New
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    Well, finally, the engines went to the airplanes, it's time it's time.
    Bon Voyage!!!
    In general, this is a historic event, maybe even abruptly than a change of government, we have a lot of officials, but aviation engines ....
  • Nait 22 January 2020 13: 45 New
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    As for international certification, don’t worry about it, the engines are certified according to the list of technical and environmental requirements, so I hope it’s impossible to spoil it here, unless we do it ourselves, but everything seems to go fine here, how many prototypes have already been tested and driven .

    They’ll think that some kind of technology stuck high-like-likes - something already happened,
    just in relation to the person involved in the development of PD14.
  • Nait 22 January 2020 13: 58 New
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    That is:
    In Italy, detained the top manager of the PD-14 engine development company
    https://perm.aif.ru/society/incident/v_italii_zaderzhali_top-menedzhera_kompanii-razrabotchika_dvigatelya_pd-14

    The top manager of the company "ODK", which is engaged in the development and manufacture of the PD-14 engine, was detained in Italy. This was reported by the company "Rifey" with reference to the news agency "Fontanka.ru". The business development directors of the United Engine Corporation (UEC) Alexander Korshunov was detained at the request of the American side, who suspected him of industrial espionage.
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    Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on the detention at the Eastern Economic Forum.

    “Now, American friends claim that some Americans went to work in this company. Something was stolen there. Stolen - let them deal with them. We don’t need anything. Everything is done with our own hands and the head of specialists. Consultations, joint work on modern products is a natural, open, public work. I believe that in this case we are dealing with attempts of unfair competition, ”the president is confident.
  • Neutron Retarded 22 January 2020 14: 19 New
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    Yes, and then the name must be changed from PD 14. Since the first two serial went to the wing. Something like PM 14. Perm motor 14 tons of traction.))
    In general, I like the abbreviation PM.
  • Victor March 47 22 January 2020 14: 58 New
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    Under normal power (our power) there will always be a cunning nut on their bolt. And for starters, this and other sides and your market would be saturated, to replace the western.

    You are mistaken. Non-certified aircraft according to THEIR standards, flying even over our territory, they can easily cut off the supply of what we need. Do you really think that you can talk with them honestly. and count on honest action? Remember at least the words of this schizophrenic from the penguin that he loves Syrian oil, and therefore ....
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    Quote: Lagging Neutron
    Yes, and then the name must be changed from PD 14. Since the first two serial went to the wing. Something like PM 14. Perm motor 14 tons of traction.))
    In general, I like the abbreviation PM.

    Yes, it’s not to marry and change your name. What nonsense. Tons of papers, developed glands, millions of points of instructions, programs and test methods, technical schedules, the drawings themselves, contracts, financial documents in which this name appears.
    And suddenly, from somewhere, how the hell out of the snuffbox pops up it is not known what .... An illegitimate monster with an absent creation story. Yes, you, my friend, are completely unaware. Admire how they are cast out in the names of all sorts of modernizations. Assign dozens of different indexes to the old name. Why, one asks? But just to save the story. Preservation of the LEGAL, and, if the CRIMINAL responsibility of the old developers in the new modifications. To poke and squeeze the scammer. Otherwise, bribes are smooth from them. What do they have to do with your XXXXX?
  • Hort 22 January 2020 15: 43 New
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    According to the release of the United Engine Corporation (UEC), PD-14 is the first all-Russian turbofan engine for civil aviation since the 1980s
    95%, according to some experts) But also not bad
  • zloybond 22 January 2020 17: 18 New
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    The main thing is that they do not turn out as Russian as modern cars of the Lada family ...
    1. Nait 22 January 2020 18: 12 New
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      But what, there are engines not Russian?
      1. zloybond 22 January 2020 18: 32 New
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        there Russian property remains 25% .... even taxes do not go to the Russian Federation.
      2. zloybond 22 January 2020 18: 52 New
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        as for the production of this car, I’d better answer https://dvizhok.su/parts/myi-razobrali-lada-vesta-iz-chego-i-kak-ona-sdelana full alignment of the cogs). And you understand by ownership - claims to each other will begin with us, not like a controlling stake ... they won’t hear votes there)))
  • Lena Petrova 22 January 2020 17: 22 New
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    about the main problem is the lack of population ...

    The main problem is the lack of money for this population.
    1. Nikolai Grek 22 January 2020 21: 05 New
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      Quote: Lena Petrova
      Quote: NEOZ
      about the main problem is the lack of population ...

      The main problem is the lack of money for this population.

      the main problem is the lack of brain in some writers !!! wink
      1. Lena Petrova 22 January 2020 22: 40 New
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        Two-thirds of this population, according to polls, have no savings, so they cannot be potential users of air transport.
        1. Berkut154 22 January 2020 22: 53 New
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          Everything is lost? laughing
          1. Lena Petrova 24 January 2020 09: 01 New
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            Not lost, but significantly reduces passenger flow.
  • bullet 22 January 2020 19: 45 New
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    The first PD-14 engines for MS-21 delivered to Irkutsk Aircraft Plant

    After this, the local localization of "Russian" aircraft will reach 50%.
    Already good, but we need to work further.
  • senima56 22 January 2020 22: 03 New
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    Well, thank God! good At last! Now I would wait for the first flights! drinks
  • Berkut154 22 January 2020 22: 52 New
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    This is after the PS, a really new engine and now the first two samples are ready to be put on the plane! We must wait for the test results!
  • Victor March 47 22 January 2020 23: 34 New
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    I think when the actual actual characteristics of the engine (and the aircraft) become known, our brothers in the EU will definitely come up with changes in the standards for aircraft, excluding the possibility of the MS-21 flying over their territory. For example, they will make the permissible engine noise level a couple of decibels lower, published by PD 14. This has been done more than once, and what I wrote here is not my invention.

    And ours can’t find any aphids forbidden in the tires of airbuses ...?

    They can. But it will be so inconspicuous for these airlines. There is a website with real-time tracking of aircraft flights. All over the world. Look at the number of tracks past Russia and inside our territory. We have a desert in comparison .... They will not even notice our tricks with the prohibitions of flying over us. http://www.flightradar24.com/

    1. Nikolai Grek 23 January 2020 00: 58 New
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      Quote: Victor March 47
      But it will be so inconspicuous for these airlines.

      so imperceptibly ??? what what then constantly whine about "royalties for flights over Russia" wassat

      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4149044
      1. Rzzz 24 January 2020 22: 53 New
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        Quote: Nikolai Grek
        what then constantly whine about "royalties for flights over Russia


        Because this wildness is utter. Nowhere is there such a requisite.
  • Victor March 47 23 January 2020 17: 34 New
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    Quote: PROXOR
    Until 1991, our Tupolevs and Ilyushins flew as part of Aeroflot around the world and no one was tweeting.

    Until 1991, no one considered the costs of their operation. And when they began to count, Tu and Ily immediately stretched in orderly rows to the scrap. To its deserved place.

    We got into a joke not because it is much worse in quality and profitability. Find a pair of identical and equal planes in MANY parameters. Quality incorporates hundreds of different numbers. And a generalized indicator can drag many well-known firms and models.
    Understand this, you would not write heresy. Dumbass.
    We got into a joke just because the parameters of NOISE (which is important, and decisive, you must think about it), was artificially drawn to the indicator, knocking our overboard. We ALWAYS had aviation, is and will be at the level and even higher. Competitor, you can fight him with ANY methods. As, for example, in sports.
    1. Rzzz 24 January 2020 22: 57 New
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      We got into a joke just because the parameters of NOISE (which is important and decisive, you must think

      Have you lived in the airport area? I've been working in the area of ​​Dolgoprudny. When the IL-86 took off at Sheremetyevo, they kept windows in my room. And this is not so close.
  • Victor March 47 23 January 2020 17: 37 New
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    Quote: Nikolai Grek
    Quote: Victor March 47
    But it will be so inconspicuous for these airlines.

    so imperceptibly ??? what what then constantly whine about "royalties for flights over Russia" wassat

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4149044

    But because poverty is elusive. Counts a penny. And caught by the scope of competition. And there - all means are good. Look at the picture. Will explain a lot.
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    Well done, quietly and without unnecessary PR, they are doing business ... success!
    1. Rzzz 24 January 2020 22: 58 New
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      Only very long. Extremely long time.
  • Ua3qhp 24 January 2020 10: 50 New
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    Quote: NEOZ
    then give examples of countries and its leader (with a population of up to 150 million people) that independently produces: ships of the ocean zone, submarines, fighters, bombers, narrow / wide / fuselage / passenger / cargo planes and engines for them, tanks and other armored combat vehicles . and other high-tech products.
    give examples of such countries.

    France, Great Britain - there are no sensible leaders, but they produce all of the above.
  • Victor March 47 25 January 2020 09: 27 New
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    Quote: rzzz
    Quote: Victor March 47
    We got into a joke just because the parameters of NOISE (which is important and decisive, you must think

    Have you lived in the airport area? I've been working in the area of ​​Dolgoprudny. When the IL-86 took off at Sheremetyevo, they kept windows in my room. And this is not so close.

    When competitors run ahead, ahead of their neighbors, making products better, cheaper, more reliable, one thing. But when they use a separate advantage as a bandwagon for the rest, this is the behavior of a bastard.
    Quality indicators are hundreds of different numbers. And there is not a single iron that has ALL of these numbers better than other products. You will definitely win in something, but lose in others. And if, for example, on the basis that your engine is shorter than the others by a couple of tens of millimeters, prohibit the operation of all the others- .... Do not live in the vicinity of the airport. Now it is possible in principle. Not only noise will not bother you, but the possibility of a fall on the head of the plane will decrease dramatically. In the USSR, you will be tied to a residence permit and a “free” apartment.
    Moreover, the routes and airports in Russia are like in the desert.