Western media: the fall of the Ukrainian Boeing in Iran is similar to the US special operation


A strange thing - today, versions of the involvement of US special services in the death of a Ukrainian airliner that crashed on January 8 after leaving Tehran's international airport are actively circulated by Western media. Moreover, the tone here is set by world-famous American and British publications, which are completely impossible to suspect of involvement in the so-called “Kremlin propaganda”.


What makes local journalists draw such far-reaching conclusions?

First of all, you should pay attention to the publication in American herald tribunewhich states that “in stories with the death of Flight 752, there are many questions that need clarification. ” The author of the publication is an ex-CIA member of the United States, who was involved in military intelligence and counter-terrorism operations, Philip Giraldi, which definitely gives her weight much more than the thoughts of non-specialized enthusiasts. He directly says that before the tragic events, there was definitely an outside interference. EW means, or, to put it simply, “jammed” were affected both by the Iranian air defense command communication system and, more importantly, by the aircraft’s transponder.

As a result, the very confluence of circumstances arose that became fatal: the missile system, from which launches were subsequently launched, was forced into manual control - the fate of the liner was in the hands of its only operator. In turn, the transponder “cut down” by a directed attack could not send an identification signal to a civilian aircraft to the ground, which allowed it to be identified as a potential hostile target. Given the fact that air defense fighters were expecting a strike by American cruise missiles, the fate of the aircraft was a foregone conclusion. Giraldi makes a completely logical conclusion that it is extremely difficult to consider everything that happened by chance or coincidence. It is about targeted exposure.

It should be noted that previously it was reported that the Boeing transponder was turned off after the first anti-aircraft missile hit the plane.

A former CIA official directly says that the US military has electronic systems that can affect both the air defense systems of the level that are in service with Iran and the sophisticated electronics of civilian aircraft. In a word, he admits that the secret services or the US military had the technical ability to turn off the transponder of the Ukrainian liner or even change its readings so as to pass it off as a completely different object. However, it turns out, not only from them ...

In a publication on the same subject, the British The Guardian confirms information that the Pentagon "has long developed electronic systems that can remotely affect enemy missiles and even redirect them," and also explicitly states that such developments were carried out, first of all, to affect the systems in service with Tehran. Moreover, British sources are inclined to believe that Israel also has this kind of technology. Either the American allies shared, or they reached their minds there - this question is not specified. This statement further expands the range of special services that may well be involved in the tragedy of Flight 752.

Ultimately, the author of the publication in the American Herald Tribune concludes that the death of the aircraft could only be part of some “carefully planned and undoubtedly deliberate event.” He directly links the downed Ukrainian airliner and “spontaneous” mass riots that broke out in Tehran almost immediately after that, considering them also links of one chain. At the same time, he especially mentions that the protesters calling for a "regime change", in fact, tried to achieve the very goal "that the United States and Israel have long been pursuing."
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  1. Cast 22 January 2020 06: 48 New
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    Has Iran adopted something from our idea of ​​otmazyvatsya from a downed Boeing? Friends, ul.
    1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 06: 51 New
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      and where is Iran even trying to get away from it? do you read texts across or something?))) go to school. it’s time to go in for education and not write outright stupid things.
      1. smart ass 22 January 2020 07: 42 New
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        In fact, it may well be, remember how the Americans hacked enrichment centrifuges in Iran?
        1. krot 23 January 2020 18: 39 New
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          The author of the publication in the American Herald Tribune concludes that the death of the aircraft could only be part of some “carefully planned and undoubtedly deliberate event.”

          The Anglo-Saxons have nothing sacred. A parasitic nation.
        2. Alexey LK 26 January 2020 05: 53 New
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          Quote: Clever man
          Remember how Americans hacked enrichment centrifuges in Iran?

          Weren't these Israelis?
      2. 72jora72 22 January 2020 07: 58 New
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        and where is Iran even trying to get away from it? do you read texts across or what?)))
        Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer however. (C)
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    3. Aleksey Aleksandrovich 22 January 2020 06: 55 New
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      Quote: Cast
      Has Iran adopted something from our idea of ​​otmazyvatsya from a downed Boeing? Friends, ul.


      You can immediately see a handshake with a good bright face.
    4. Russian Moldavian 22 January 2020 06: 56 New
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      [quote = Litekha] Has Iran adopted something from our idea of ​​playing off the downed Boeing? Friends, ul. [/ Quote
      From yours, is it from the Ukrainians? sad
      1. Cast 22 January 2020 08: 45 New
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        From ours - this is from the Solovevsky-Kiselyov media.
        1. Bykov. 22 January 2020 09: 20 New
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          Quote: Cast
          From ours - this is from the Solovevsky-Kiselyov media.

          Jumping Troll Detective
    5. Russobel 22 January 2020 07: 12 New
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      Something smelled of trollin ...
      Oh, a tramp will throw you around.
    6. Dmitry Potapov 22 January 2020 07: 13 New
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      Yours, yours! Who else !? "She didn’t die yet ..."
      1. Hunter 2 22 January 2020 07: 26 New
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        In fact, this is Zhu - for good reason! Some share of the participation of the Matrasnikov in the disaster - Exactly. In the early days, there was a version about the Transponder remotely turned off. I hope the decryption of the black boxes and the investigation will give an answer of what happened and how.
        1. KCA
          KCA 22 January 2020 08: 50 New
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          This is if only the IAC is not like the IOC, does not make a decision, then that which they will prompt
        2. Leonard Kabachkov_2 22 January 2020 14: 32 New
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          Proofs are needed, all suspicions are completely eliminated, especially about the connection between the accident and the riots.
    7. Baloo 22 January 2020 08: 01 New
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      Quote: Cast
      Has Iran adopted something from our idea of ​​otmazyvatsya from a downed Boeing? Friends, ul.

      your friends on the censor. no Globe in your hands and the forest ... go to your
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    8. asher 22 January 2020 10: 44 New
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      Naturally adopted from yours, that is, from the APU. They are the most YOUR!
    9. ZaharoFF 22 January 2020 13: 10 New
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      Your last horse in the ravine is eaten up with a burner.
    10. NordUral 22 January 2020 13: 18 New
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      Which ones are ours, yours, Cast?
    11. Lexeus 22 January 2020 14: 10 New
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      Okraintsev.
    12. NF68 22 January 2020 14: 57 New
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      Quote: Cast
      Has Iran adopted something from our idea of ​​otmazyvatsya from a downed Boeing? Friends, ul.


      Very late ignition? Or a resident of the Baltic states?
    13. Alexander I 22 January 2020 15: 32 New
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      Who are you?
    14. Dart2027 22 January 2020 20: 05 New
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      Quote: Cast
      Iran took something from ours

      Ours that dug up the Black Sea?
    15. Boris Petrov-Vodkin 22 January 2020 20: 12 New
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      at your maydaunov?
    16. Johann Klassen 23 January 2020 23: 19 New
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      Yours, who’s this?
      Enlighten me, good lord.
      In general, lawlessness continues further, and how all this can end is scary to imagine.
    17. bratchanin3 26 January 2020 10: 34 New
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      What swamp emerged from ?!
    18. vik669 26 January 2020 17: 00 New
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      Yours then how many except one freak ...!
  2. Uncle lee 22 January 2020 06: 48 New
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    Interesting versions .... In general, everything was unclean with this Boeing.
    1. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 07: 45 New
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      And not only with this:
      1983 flight KAL-007 Boeing-737 - supposedly lost navigation. Shot down air defense over Sakhalin. (The American intelligence satellite was just on top). Even the Japanese are inclined to the version that the board was sent for violation intentionally.
      2014 flight 370 Boeing 777 - abruptly changed course and disappeared from the radar without responding to requests. Charged to theft.
      2014 (only 4 months later) flight MH17 and again Malaysia - shot down over Ukraine. (Americans themselves admitted that their companion was also on top, but we will not show anything). The fact that the CIA in Ukraine is turning over its dark affairs is quite obvious.
      In 2019, the flight PS752 Boeing-737 - also flew, didn’t touch anyone, but suddenly it was mistaken for a cruise missile ... And then the US-Iran conflict.

      1 time is an accident, but more than 3 matches are at least suspicious. Too many US and everywhere Boeings that they produce again ...
      1. cloud catcher 22 January 2020 09: 11 New
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        Perhaps special services have learned to turn off transponders and take control of their aircraft before 11.09.2001/370/2014. And now, with the development of technology, it’s even easier. Boeing can turn into anything, even a rocket. And the dress rehearsal on a global scale is flight XNUMX in March XNUMX. I want to be wrong.
      2. knn54 22 January 2020 10: 06 New
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        Before Tehran, the liner was prepared for a flight in London for a long time.
      3. Octopus 22 January 2020 11: 55 New
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        Quote: g1washntwn
        a lot of the USA and everywhere the Boeings that they produce again.

        On May 5 last year, the Russian Superjet burned out in the Russian Sheremetyevo. Who could be a little crap in your theory?
      4. opus 22 January 2020 12: 07 New
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        Quote: g1washntwn
        1983 flight KAL-007 Boeing 737 - supposedly lost navigation.

        -satellite navigation then was still in diapers
        1977 Reception of a signal from a ground station imitating a satellite of a system
        1978-1985 Launch of eleven satellites of the first group (Block I)
        -in the northern latitudes of GPS and now not ice

        "knock down" the rest of the airliner's navigation instruments from a satellite of those times, much less = problematic.
        Quote: g1washntwn
        2014 flight 370 Boeing 777 - dramatically changed course

        but, as it was subsequently revealed, about 7 hours was in the air. Aircraft did not answer land calls, satellite phone calls and text messages sent via the ACARS special aviation system ...

        Quote: g1washntwn
        2014 (just 4 months) flight MH17 and again Malaysia - shot down over Ukraine.

        no luck with time and trajectory ...
        Quote: g1washntwn
        In 2019, the flight PS752 Boeing-737 also flew and didn’t touch anyone, but suddenly it was mistaken for a cruise missile.


        if the Americans, as writes
        Quote: Author / Guardian / retired CIAshnik
        The Pentagon has long developed electronic systems that can remotely affect enemy missiles and even retarget them

        case pipe ..
        how it is possible to influence "from a satellite" or from an ARL on missiles 9A331 or 9C737 - a mystery
        1. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 12: 20 New
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          how can one influence “from a satellite” or from an ARL on a missile system

          There is practically no way to replace or drown the beam of the guidance of the ground-based complex, at least in today's realities, for sure. There can still be yes to confuse missiles from the ARLGSN. Most often, missiles with radar guidance are already without recognition, so if the Torah detector received a mark without an answer from the target (off / faulty transponder) and was not able to clarify the identification from other means of the air defense system (here it’s different), then ...
          Well, navigation was shot down before, with a magnetized ax under the compass, for example. Cockroaches in general were the first computers to bug, and therefore they called it - bugs. Bad luck is generally an independent thing, but when there are several such bad lucks, this begs the question "zashtooooo ????"
          1. opus 22 January 2020 12: 36 New
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            confused missiles arlgsn may still be yes.

            if you "shine" on it "in front" in the zone of its capture of +/- 50 degrees, being somewhere on the beam of the target-ARGSN. which is unrealistic for a DRL / satellite.
            but with 9M331 missiles it hardly rolls


            Quote: g1washntwn
            therefore, if the Torah detector received a mark without an answer from the target (off / faulty transponder) and was not able to clarify the identification from other means of the air defense system (here it’s different), then ...

            1. The calculation took up combat duty: switched to a regular power source, received introductory information about the aircraft, schedule, responsibility zone, maps, signals, connected combat communications, etc., etc.
            2. The launch command "anti-aircraft gun" can not "click" just like that from the bulldozer: I saw, I owed "to whom I need" up, I received a confirmation of receipt, waiting for the start command": target destroy
            3. There can be no “nerve” ones, they are chosen on purpose, and then they are trained.
            Well, the IRGC is certainly a special topic.

            Quote: g1washntwn
            Well, navigation was shot down before, with a magnetized ax under the compass,

            Yes, you can simply scrap, a sledgehammer.
            Only:
            1. from a satellite or AWACS or UAV REP magnetized crowbar will not interfere with the navigation of another aircraft
            2. the crew takes the aircraft before departure, with technicians. Admission to the inside of the aircraft - has a very limited number of people.
            1. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 12: 55 New
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              Quote: opus
              1. from a satellite or AWACS or UAV REP magnetized crowbar will not interfere with the navigation of another LA2. the crew takes the aircraft before departure, with technicians. Admission to the inside of the aircraft - has a very limited number of people.

              1. EW on AWACS only for self-defense, EW-fight engaged in other aircraft and containers for them.
              2. I did not state or write that GPS was shot down in 83, just as I did not state this about the PS752. What are you trying to convince me of?
              3. Locks on the doors of your apartment - this is for the placebo effect and your peace of mind. Whoever needs it will fit in and do whatever it takes. This is especially true if these "whoever needs" already have a copy of the key to the lock.
              1. opus 22 January 2020 13: 32 New
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                What are you trying to convince me of?

                ? I am ? " to convince"? what for?
                I just disagree with this:
                Quote: g1washntwn
                And not only with this:

                this is RenTV.
                It’s not worthwhile to excite the fragile minds of readers of Topvar, for our Americans are already to blame for everything.
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                Locks on the door of your apartment

                my neighbor doesn’t use them at all, and the doors are glass.
                Threat. I’m not living in an apartment, we are rural
                Quote: g1washntwn
                Whoever needs it will fit in and do whatever it takes.

                but for some reason they turned green through the roof attic (the door didn’t give in), half-fools nearly died, and for reference to them: the bicycle through the roof window (mine for sure) will not crawl: at least sideways, at least some
                1. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 13: 41 New
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                  It’s not worth arousing fragile minds

                  I did not claim that it was so. Just a little stimulated "weak minds" to the analysis of versions. To agree or not, to be locked or whatever is the right of everyone.
        2. Zaits 22 January 2020 22: 26 New
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          Quote: opus
          case pipe ..
          how it is possible to influence "from a satellite" or from an ARL on missiles 9A331 or 9C737 - a mystery

          And also a riddle - what is happening in the head of those who are minus you.
      5. Mephody 22 January 2020 23: 36 New
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        In September, the 83rd was the 747th Boeing. But this is so, by the way. Satellites always fly over someone, because these satellites are like dirt. IMHO, far-fetched.
      6. ser56 23 January 2020 11: 22 New
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        Quote: g1washntwn
        everywhere Boeings which they produce again ...

        believe bookmarks?
      7. polar fox 23 January 2020 19: 19 New
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        Quote: g1washntwn
        1983 flight KAL-007 Boeing 737 - supposedly lost navigation. Shot down air defense over Sakhalin.

        there is research that it wasn’t him shot down ... and KAL 007 was already shot down by the Americans near Yapia ...
    2. NordUral 22 January 2020 13: 19 New
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      This is a tradition already, Vladimir.
  3. Baloo 22 January 2020 06: 49 New
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    The general impression of the article is a break-in of a new technology. Do you understand what? Amers are preparing a provocative diversion steeper than the twin towers, really want to make a mistake.
  4. bessmertniy 22 January 2020 06: 55 New
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    It must be assumed that Iranian rocket launchers should share the blame for the downed Boeing with the special services involved. what However, neither the American nor the Israeli secret services, unlike Iran, have so far shown their willingness to plead guilty for the downed ship. request
    1. rocket757 22 January 2020 07: 18 New
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      The specialist has many questions about the "order in the troops" of the Iranian air defense!
      It would have been much easier to understand if the regulations for the actions of the command and air defense calculations had been respected ... plus precise control, fixing everything that was happening.
  5. Valery Valery 22 January 2020 07: 04 New
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    Remember last year, Norway complained about jamming GPS signals, which could lead to civil aviation disasters, and even blamed Russia for this ?!
    But the GPS global positioning system is completely controlled by the command of the US Air Force, and they can turn it off at any site. Did the Americans also plan here in the Arctic to drop some plane of their Norwegian allies and "warm up" the situation in Russia-Norway relations ...
    1. bessmertniy 22 January 2020 08: 07 New
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      It is possible that the GPS system is just buggy from time to time and can fail at any time. what But this needs to be sorted out somehow.
    2. Avior 22 January 2020 09: 10 New
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      It is impossible to drop the aircraft by shutting down the aircraft, the aviation has other methods for determining the position of the aircraft, especially near the airport-radar and so on.
      1. Valery Valery 22 January 2020 13: 07 New
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        Quote: Avior
        It is impossible to drop the aircraft by shutting down the aircraft, the aviation has other methods for determining the position of the aircraft, especially near the airport-radar and so on.

        Disabling GPS does not drop the plane, I agree. But!! Dropping a plane, and then blaming it on “Russian electronic warfare equipment” is in the spirit of both the Angles and the Saxons ...
      2. ccsr 22 January 2020 20: 10 New
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        Quote: Avior
        It is impossible to drop the aircraft by shutting down the aircraft, the aviation has other methods for determining the position of the aircraft, especially near the airport-radar and so on.

        That's right - there are still a bunch of different devices that help determine the positioning of the aircraft, including a map of the work of various radars, beacons or ground angle reflectors. And according to the work of some HF radio stations, you can quite accurately determine your location.
        But the fact that the Americans have the ability to make changes to the on-board computers during the flight was known back in Soviet times. There are simpler tricks for sabotage:
        When the plane was approaching the airspace of Mozambique, the flight attendant contacted the aviation control center in the capital, Maputo. On board the aircraft reported the passage of the Kurla beacon. Sit in Maputo plane planned in 19: 25 - less than an hour. In 19: 02, the flight attendant reported that the plane was ready to go down. In 19: The 10 plane changed course to 38 ° towards the hills. The following dialogue took place between the commander and the navigator on 19: 11: 28:
        - The commander of the aircraft: E ... Th, some turns doing? Could not directly, b ... I!
        - VOR navigator shows there.
        After this dialogue, ILS and DME disconnected. In this situation, the crew turned out to be disoriented, but didn’t take any action, believing that they would be given a direct landing approach on lane 23 of Maputo Airport. At 19: 21:01 and 19:21:32, a system of dangerous proximity to the ground worked, but the plane did not stop its decline and crashed into a rock at an altitude of 666,6 meters and completely collapsed. This happened in South Africa, not far from the South African-Swaziland border.

        https://topwar.ru/102236-katastrofa-v-drakonovyh-gorah-kto-mog-stoyat-za-gibelyu-prezidenta.html
    3. Leonard Kabachkov_2 22 January 2020 14: 44 New
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      How much I follow this, s still no one has caught my hand, all the time they dump everything that does not happen on them.
    4. Mephody 22 January 2020 23: 40 New
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      I wonder how you imagine turning off GPS signals in a single area. How can a satellite emit a narrow signal? Rather, how can it direct the signal in all directions except for a certain separate section?
  6. anjey 22 January 2020 07: 13 New
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    If we take into account that the attack on the Boeing in the Donbas, and before that the first Malaysian Boeing was also lost, was supervised by the CIA and Western intelligence services, then the handwriting and cynicism of the deed would be quite suitable for these gentlemen.
  7. rocket757 22 January 2020 07: 13 New
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    Western media: the fall of the Ukrainian Boeing in Iran is similar to the US special operation

    It’s not clear what they’re leading to.
    He directly says that before the tragic events, there was definitely an outside interference. EW means, or, to put it simply, “jammed” were affected both by the Iranian air defense command communication system and, more importantly, by the aircraft’s transponder.

    But this should have serious evidence ... otherwise why all this "circus"?
    1. oracul 22 January 2020 08: 20 New
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      And from whom do you expect this evidence - from the special services of the USA and Israel? The fact that they are capable of large and small dirty tricks has been tested by time. So this desire is impracticable. As well as the calls of our liberals to negotiate - with whom, if the other side either does not want it, or wants, but only on its own terms?
      1. rocket757 22 January 2020 08: 49 New
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        And from whom do you expect this evidence - from the special services of the USA and Israel?

        Iva didn’t have to get down from the tree, because he didn’t climb there ... not a naive, some kind.
        I already wrote that the Iranian experts could, should have the data, because the control and fixing of the actions of the calculations, the air defense command, should have been done. It should be so.
        Means of intelligence, airspace control, the Iranian military have! Not a banana republic, all w.
        Here's what they have and how they used it, there are questions ... I hope that to those who are supposed to, they will sort it out and give (will not give) a reasonable explanation.
        In general, you can wait for the reaction of the Iranian military to the current informational noise.
        1. asv363 22 January 2020 18: 40 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          I already wrote that the Iranian experts could, should have the data, because the control and fixing of the actions of the calculations, the air defense command, should have been done. It should be so. The Iranian military has means of intelligence, control over the situation in the airspace! It’s not a banana republic, it’s all because of what they have and how they used it, there are questions ... I hope those who are supposed to get it sorted out and give (will not give) a reasonable explanation.

          Victor, welcome! I already wrote that the Iranian military may have evidence of outside interference, but the leadership could consider them insufficient. As a second option, which is quite compatible with the first one, the disclosure of such information can do more damage to Iran’s security than a mere admission of guilt.
          Since Lavrov clearly declared that there were six American F-35s on the Iran-Iraq border at the time of the disaster, two questions involuntarily arise:
          1. Could several F-35x get into the area of ​​the airport? Imam Khomeini?
          2. Given that the transponders are received and transmitted at well-known frequencies established by ICAO, 1030 MHz and 1090 MHz, could the same F-35s distort the response of the transponder or simply “wash” it (known electronic warfare reception), making it difficult to obtain information at the airport, and, as a result, the transfer of objective data to the KP air defense and the calculation of air defense on Tor M1?
          1. rocket757 22 January 2020 19: 11 New
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            Sergey welcome soldier
            Quote: asv363
            Iranian military may have evidence of outside interference, but management could

            The decision is made by the management and on what it is based, they will not report to us!
            Versions, versions, anything can be ...
            Two options (maybe more) - They are not sure, they do not have enough information, evidence for a serious run over the alleged culprits of the "triumph"
            - They hid and prepare a surprise for the aggressor if he becomes insolent completely.
            I don’t care, I accept the official version.
          2. Mimoprohodil 23 January 2020 11: 13 New
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            Quote: asv363
            Since Lavrov was clearly not without reason announced six American F-35s on the Iran-Iraq border at the time of the disaster
            This is more than 500 km, they took and directly teleported to Tehran?
            1. asv363 23 January 2020 15: 05 New
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              Of course not. Some divert attention, another group may fly. To the north of Tehran, the mountainous terrain, somewhere there, but a little to the west before the new year, the MiG-29 of the Iranian Air Force crashed. So far, in my opinion, the wreckage has not been found.
    2. Octopus 22 January 2020 14: 36 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      otherwise why all this "circus"?

      What does "what" mean? Grandfather cuts the truth-uterus.
      There have been riots in Iran subsequent to the shooting down of the plane, blaming the government for its ineptitude. Some of the people in the street are clearly calling for the goal long sought by the United States and Israel, ie “regime change.” If nothing else, Iran, which was widely seen as the victim in the killing of Soleimani, is being depicted in much of the international media as little more than another unprincipled actor with blood on its hands. There is much still to explain about the downing of Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752


      What does it mean "What does Israel have to do with it"? As without Israel, indeed.
      1. rocket757 22 January 2020 14: 48 New
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        It will be a true uterus when it is supported by evidence ...
        In the meantime, this is one of the versions. It will take its consequence as worth considering, it is not for us to decide. We will wait for the official reaction if this follows, of course.
        By the way, what does Israel have to do with it? Maybe as an assumption of involvement?
        We will wait for the conclusions of the investigation.
        1. Octopus 22 January 2020 15: 01 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          By the way, what does Israel have to do with it?

          Below I spread the copy-paste from Wiki about the author of the article.
          Giraldi writes a regular column for the white supremacist and pro-Nazi media outlet Unz Review. He is controversial for the articles he has written denouncing Judaism and Jews and for his views on the Holocaust whose occurrence he has repeatedly denied.
    3. Sergey Zhikharev 22 January 2020 16: 44 New
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      To trump lead. Impeachment.
      Trump started the operation without congressional approval? - started.
      Trump needed a reason? - needed.
      Could Trump order to start this entire operation with a Boeing? - could.
      It turns out that Trump’s conscience is two hundred people? - Yes.
      It turns out that President Trump has committed a crime? - Yes.
      Thus, Trump’s accusation (starting from “ties with the Russians”) - “abuse of power and obstruction of the investigation” gets such a trump card. Trump has not just abused power, Trump is also a criminal! It’s natural to admit that the US president will not become a criminal (here the image of the United States is already suffering), but about Trump ....
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        It is far-fetched, of course, but if you look at the topic "get Trump crazy," the version beats itself. Although, it is very necessary to try to prove.
        Without proof at all, even busting for them, it’s not for all of us to “hang the dogs”. This is their, striped, though not systemic .... and denyushku are not small behind it, but this is a strong argument.
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          Why proof? - there are high-likes. Evidence that Trump personally turned off the transponder will not be found (as well as communication with the Russians), but will be actively sought. And there again, Russians can be attracted - Trump, at the direction of Moscow, wanted to fight with Iran!
          And yes, this is a “anything but trump” version
  8. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 January 2020 07: 26 New
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    EW means, or, to put it simply, “jammed” were affected both by the Iranian air defense command communication system and, more importantly, by the aircraft’s transponder.
    But flightradar, apparently, simply did not know about it, so he continued to show the location on the transponder as if nothing had happened.

    The author of the publication is an ex-CIA member of the United States, who was involved in military intelligence and counter-terrorism operations, Philip Giraldi, which definitely gives her weight much more than the thoughts of non-specialized enthusiasts.
    Definitely.
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      Apparently, he simply did not know about flightradar, so he continued to show the location on the transponder as if nothing had happened.

      What is the problem to transfer the necessary data to the site?
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 January 2020 11: 46 New
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        The problem is that entities multiply without the need for ad hoc. The "mattresses" and the exchange between the air defense posts were jammed, and the bookmark in the transponder was activated, and the bookmark in the flytradar was activated. And this is a sure sign that the version is cracking at the seams, and crutches are being placed under it with terrible force in order to somehow save.
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          vice versa. a classic example of a special operation. They jammed the connection, at the same time a bookmark was activated in the transponder or on the site. This is a necessary minimum.
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            This is a necessary minimum.
            It was on the go that you came up with the idea that this is a necessary minimum. There were no precedents with remote shutdown of transponders, not to mention remote shutdown of a transponder with simultaneous activation of a fake data stream on a flytradar.
            1. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 13: 02 New
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              Read the Unthinkable. Interesting book.
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 January 2020 13: 23 New
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                Terry conspiracy theology is not my genre of literature.
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                  Terry conspiracy theology is not my genre of literature.

                  Conspirology is no different from Einstein's theory. Both there and there are based on theory.
                  So, “the Americans were not on the moon” and “the speed of light is constant” are equivalent, but the society accepts differently.
                  1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 January 2020 13: 57 New
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                    No. Conspiracy theory is not falsifiable by Popper. Therefore, from the point of view of the scientific method, it can never be recognized by scientific theory.
    2. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 11: 17 New
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      flightradar only shows what it says the data coming into it. Now the times are different, one cannot even be sure that the same pedestrian will come from point A to point B of the school task.
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        Now the times are different, one cannot even be sure that the same pedestrian will come from point A to point B of the school task.
        And the only faith that can be reliably stored in these difficult times of post-truth, a faith that always warms, will help distinguish truth from lies, entice and show the way - this is the belief that "mattresses" are always to blame.
  9. Air force 22 January 2020 07: 39 New
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    The publication of such information in Western media suggests that this is being done ahead of the future, as one of the options for pressure on the trump over impeachment and the struggle in future elections, the information flows that even the trump with the special services controlled by him outraged killed the general, and then shot down a Boeing, so that impeachment to him and the election down. You just need to see who publishes the information, if the media is controlled by the Democrats, then maybe it is. As for the general situation with Boeing, there are a lot of options, as for me, whoever creates the technology has an influence on it, this GPS is the Boeing itself and many others. Maybe the planes initially come with bookmarks and special services have full access to them, if you need to turn off the transponder, you need to take control, etc. In recent times, it’s precisely the Boeings in muddy situations that are involved. And by the way, for some reason, no one remembers the missing Malaysian Boeing, as if it weren’t. PS You can expect anything from these American Satanists (the only official temple was placed in the USA exactly), I won’t be surprised if at one moment they even can carry out a mass terrorist attack with airplanes and blame Russia for this, there was a pumping of media at one time, then that Russia with its electronic warfare interferes with flight safety in various parts of the world. Well, or at the hour of "X" they just have access to the civil aviation of those countries where the Boeing is operated, this is also not an unimportant factor during hostilities.
  10. HAM
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    It seems that the calculation of the Yankees was that the Persians had to rest : "It's not us who shot down the plane!"
    But they miscalculated--Tehran completely took the blame.
    And all the screams: “this is such a terrible regime that knocks down civilian planes!” - for some reason it immediately died out ...
    ....BUT, The Yankees will do something else, don’t go to the grandmother ...
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      The Persians rested for 3 days, although they knew from the very beginning that they themselves had shot down a Boeing. But when the leaders of Australia, the USA, Canada and England officially declared that the Iranians shot down the Boeing, it became senseless and harmful to unlock. That is why they admitted, and not because they are so honest.
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        It’s only the Yankees and Ukrainians can determine who shot down the plane BEFORE it crashes to the ground ..
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          You can scramble as much as you like, but the fact is that all the world tracking equipment monitored Iran after a missile attack on American bases. The evidence was iron, so the Iranians merged.
          1. Vyacheslav 22 January 2020 08: 50 New
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            Before making such a statement, the political leadership of the country needs to organize a check on this fact and get results, calculate the political consequences for the country and only then make such statements. I believe that Iran was quick to make such a statement, and this is where another mystery of this incident lies. For 3 days of the investigation, you can determine the versions of the incident, select from them the main one, no more. And even if everything seems to be clear and obvious, making such statements is hasty.
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              Your version does not explain the total negatives into which the Iranian leadership has slipped. Shouldn't they have stated that they were investigating the causes of the disaster, and not formally excuse themselves?
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                borberd, for example, you were accused of being a paid troll on this site. You will immediately admit or try to figure it out first, is it really so and why? ...or not? lol
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    The main question is how, while waiting for a missile attack, not to limit the work of civil aviation ... very talented and bourgeois ...
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    All that is written in the American left-liberal press about Boeing has as its goal only one thing - to pour Trump before the election. The opus Gerld Tribune has no other value.
  13. stels_07 22 January 2020 08: 00 New
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    Given the US law that all electronics produced in the United States should take into account America’s interests, I won’t be surprised that a Boeing transponder can be transformed from a satellite
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      Under the guise of update, you can even flash the bald line in the device. The last massive DDOS attack on Sberbank was from the Internet of things. Vacuum cleaners with refrigerators attacked our bank, times are changing ...
  14. Avior 22 January 2020 09: 05 New
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    An obvious absurdity is written in the article — I don’t know if the American whom I refer to or the author of the article himself invented it.
    The transponder cannot be "cut down" in principle - it is a transmitter, it transmits its signal, no matter what interference it may cause. Its signal cannot be “replaced”, theoretically, you can add the same with false data, then two planes would be marked on the flyradar, but jamming should not be used, because there is neither a real signal nor a false one.
    You can mute the receiver of the transponder signals, but there are a lot of them, and you would have to muffle them all within a radius of more than 200 km from Tehran - this corresponds to an airplane height of 2500 meters, no one has canceled the radio horizon.
    The Iranians did not say or write anything like that.
    And with regard to Thor, all this makes no sense, Thor has no receiver of transponder signals, it is off the beaten path, for Thor it does not mean anything, but it seems that Americans are not aware of this feature.
    About the fact that the Pentagon is supposed to be able to retarget enemy anti-aircraft missiles, it’s complete tin, the English have very grassy grass, to write such a thing. If they really knew how, they could immediately throw away all ground-based air defense, it would even be dangerous to use these supposedly able to retarget, it turns out, they could force the enemy to shoot down their own missiles. How can you write such nonsense?
    But in general, they trampled on conspiracy theories in the pursuit of the circulation and money of advertisers.
    Nobody has written about the fact that aliens were shot down? smile
    1. Amateur 22 January 2020 09: 26 New
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      The transponder cannot be "cut down" in principle - it is a transmitter, it transmits its signal, no matter what interference it may cause.

      And just turn it off, for example with the OFF button, or a similar command on the control bus or disable the corresponding power switch?
      1. Avior 22 January 2020 09: 48 New
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        I don’t know, I’ve never heard of this. But note that the transponder is not part of the aircraft, it is a replaceable unit from a third-party manufacturer, they can be of different types, they can be replaced if necessary, although the place, of course, is provided.
        But I do not see any reason to disconnect the transponder 20 km from the airport - the location of the aircraft is clearly visible on the radar of the dispatchers.
        Not to mention the fact that this cannot directly substitute the aircraft for the air defense system - there is no transponder signal receiver on the TOP, and turning it off by itself does not affect the pvoshniks at all, many have already written about this.
        Given that the Iranians themselves did not write about the transponder problem,
        I don’t know why they grabbed onto this transponder, the Iranians themselves are talking about a completely different problem - the calculation could not contact the command, and the time limit was only 5 seconds, because the TOP system is short-range, the maximum range is only 12 km, so the plane that missile - the target leaves the affected area in seconds, decisions must be made very quickly. But why could not be contacted, this is a question ....
        hi
        1. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 10: 34 New
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          there is no transponder receiver on the TOP

          A friend or foe system is a handler. She is present in any complex. The operating modes of civilian transponders are different but there is only one principle - signal transmission, which contains the identifier of the board (flight) and telemetry. SAM also processes this data (read about the issues of adapting friend or foe systems in export versions). And now we think: if there is no signal from the board or it transmits incorrect information, what mark will the friend or foe put on the mark detected by the radar?
          1. Avior 22 January 2020 10: 52 New
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            On the Ukrainian Boeing there is no and could not be Iranian equipment "friend or foe"
            If you hadn’t rushed aggressively to minus, but asked about the problem, you would know that the transponder and your equipment are different from the stranger, and there is no receiver of transponder signals on the ASEZ, and that the Iranian equipment did not and could not be your own on someone else’s board. A friend or foe is designed for completely different tasks, and this is one of the most important secrets; no friend or foe on foreign ships is and cannot be
            hi
            1. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 11: 08 New
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              Cons are not mine, I do not have the habit of aggressively minus. The function of the transponder is - identification in the secondary radar. Friend or foe systems also process data from civilian transponders (and not just military transponders). Rounding off the above, it is the transponder that makes it clear to the military system of a friend or stranger and an air defense system that the radar is a civilian target. I did not claim that military defendants of their friend or foe systems are on civilian sides, they don’t need to be encrypted, they purposely work openly. In view of the foregoing, I ask again: what will be the mark on the air defense system screen if it receives only telemetry from the detector without an answer from the target?
              1. Avior 22 January 2020 11: 21 New
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                Begin by confirming with a decent source that your alien TOR system is capable of processing signals from civilian transponders, then a subject for discussion will appear.
                1. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 11: 31 New
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                  google transmitter-responder and go about secondary radar, on bОThe best revelations without consequences I do not agree
                  1. Avior 22 January 2020 13: 04 New
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                    you simply don’t know the topic you are writing about.
                    I googled it for a long time, and I didn’t need it too much, it was already known
                    a friend-alien interrogator is not a secondary dispatcher radar, these are different things
                    In order for the air defense to identify a civilian aircraft, no transponder helps, and for some civilian aircraft, in fact, a very small number, if necessary, they install an additional alien system, which works only if there is a special agreement between the countries.

                    For example, some CIS countries have such an agreement, since most of the post-Soviet countries use a system for identifying a foreign Password, and the interrogators of this particular system are at the air defense systems of these countries, having concluded a special agreement.

                    “Agreement on the provision of radar recognition of air, surface and ground objects equipped with transponders for identification of the Password system dated 26.06.1992/04.06.1999/XNUMX and the Protocol to this Agreement dated XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX (Minsk).

                    In the Agreement of the governments of the participating states (Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Russia, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Ukraine), guided by the desire to ensure reliable identification of their objects in order to prevent inadvertent destruction of them with their fire weapons, they agreed to maintain a unified state recognition system radar system "Password". At the same time, the parties undertook to equip the aircraft and sea vessels of ministries, departments and organizations belonging to their states within five years from the date of its entry into force (i.e., until 2004).

                    That is, in order for the air defense system to be able to identify a civilian aircraft, it is necessary to equip the aircraft with a system for identifying a foreign system, and conclude an agreement between the countries
                    No transponder gives such information to the air defense crew.
                    Today the situation is such that the information of the operator of the RTV Air Force radar station, which was the first to report on the allegedly “alien” aircraft, must be double-checked literally at all levels of control. In peacetime, in our airspace should only fly-in aviation, which is divided into state-equipped defendants and not. However, in reality, there are many more options and it becomes increasingly difficult to take them into account. This includes a whole chain of measures to determine the ownership of the detected aircraft. The most faithful and reliable way is the last step in this chain - the dispatcher getting in touch with the pilot and interviewing the pilot on the principle of "who are you?"

                    Today, the procedure is approximately the following. The detected aircraft is interrogated in the “Password” identification system modes, then in the “Silicon” identification system modes, then (if necessary) the EU ATM authorities are requested. At the same time, it is specified whether there is a plane in the daily flight plan. In some cases, you have to contact directly with the board.

                    This is in Russia. The Iranians tried to act in a similar way, only they had little critical time for this. hi
      2. Glory1974 22 January 2020 11: 21 New
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        And just turn it off, for example with the OFF button, or a similar command on the control bus or disable the corresponding power switch?

        Sure. Recently in the West they were indignant that our military aircraft over the Baltic turned off their transponders and, accordingly, became invisible to civilian controllers.
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          and accordingly become invisible to civilian controllers

          And their military is also forced to send fighters for identification. And an unidentified low-altitude target in a similar situation is a 50/50 cruise missile. Near potential goals, you can quickly identify it only by attaching civil traffic control data to an unidentified label. There is no connection and there is no time to send fighters for visual identification - the target is hostile.
          The same as in the USA, dragging out a “weapon-like object” in front of a policeman = 99,9% death.
      3. would 22 January 2020 21: 05 New
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        It’s possible, pilots from the cockpit can absolutely officially do this. True reasons for this should be specific and in fact it would not change anything. The transponder is only one part of a complex system, and the recognition of an airplane with an idle transponder is also included in this system. A transponder is a device, and like any device, it can break.

        So it’s exactly the transponder that everyone grasped absolutely groundlessly.
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      Nobody has written about the fact that aliens were shot down?

      It seems they did not write. But it is better if you immediately refute everything, then they will not write. laughing laughing
      1. Avior 22 January 2020 10: 01 New
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        God forbid, I will not refute such a theory, such theories are irrefutable in principlesmile
    3. g1washntwn 22 January 2020 10: 45 New
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      then on a flytradar it would be

      In the case of a coordinated provocation, data is substituted. Have you seen a movie about crooks replacing recording from surveillance cameras? The same DeepFake only with transponder data.
      1. Avior 22 January 2020 10: 55 New
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        The signal from the transponder is transmitted in real time approximately every second in real time and is received by the receivers regardless of the presence of other signals, including false ones
        This is not a record, and the analogy with the substitution of records has nothing to do with the situation
        1. Glory1974 22 January 2020 11: 19 New
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          The signal from the transponder is transmitted in real time approximately every second in real time and is received by the receivers regardless of the presence of other signals, including false ones

          After receiving the signal to the receiver, it is transmitted to some equipment, it processes it and sends it to the site, or there is some other intermediate link. Substitution is possible at this stage. This is a software tab, and it is most likely impossible to detect it.
          1. Avior 22 January 2020 13: 10 New
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            there are a large number of these receivers, you yourself can supply this to anyone who wants it, a kit costs up to $ 20, the site will give you benefits for use, you can’t forge
            and why all this? the dispatcher still has information independently, it makes no sense for the site to do this, and the air defense crew is still not connected with this in any way.
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          Quantum technologies aren’t everywhere yet, unencrypted packets can be spoofed, and if there is no signal, they can be emulated. You have already been answered, the transponder signal is transmitted somewhere through something (not directly to the flightradar website).
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            It is sent to an eight-bucks receiver, which is set up by aviation enthusiasts, and a bunch of these receivers around the world send data to the flyradar.
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              It is sent to an eight-bucks receiver, which is set up by aviation enthusiasts, and a bunch of these receivers around the world send data to the flyradar.

              Do you think in Iran, with their situation, there were three such “enthusiasts” on each roof and their traffic flowed unhindered into the network?
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                You might think this is changing something for those who want to see the hand of the CIA. How many receivers were there - so many will be declared hacked. Declaring anything hacked / tampered with, etc., is very easy when you don’t care too much about the grounds on which this can be done.
    4. Glory1974 22 January 2020 11: 29 New
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      Its signal cannot be "replaced", theoretically, you can add a similar one with fake data, then two planes would be marked on the flyradar,

      You can immediately make the transponder transmit incorrect data, or replace it already on the site.
      Thor has no receiver of transponder signals, off the beaten path, for Thor it means nothing

      For Thor, it does not mean, but for the entire air defense system it means a lot, as the Iranians said: “the connection was lost”, that is, they could drown out the communication channels.
      the fact that the Pentagon supposedly knows how to redirect enemy anti-aircraft missiles, it’s a complete tin, the English have very heavy grass,

      an anti-aircraft missile with a thermal seeker can easily be redirected to a heat trap. This is the basis for the operation of missile defense systems.
      With a radar seeker it redirects to a target with a larger reflectivity. Examples: TU-154 shot down over the Black Sea when a missile captured a larger target.
      IL-20 in Syria, when the Syrians fired at a fighter, and the rocket went on a larger plane.
      The question is how to use it. But theoretically it is quite possible.
      1. Avior 22 January 2020 13: 16 New
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        about which the Iranians said: "the connection was lost", that is, they could jam the communication channels

        There is no connection between the transponder and the crew link.
        and it’s about a transponder, you don’t need to interfere with everything in a heap
        In a publication on the same subject, the British The Guardian confirms information that the Pentagon “has long developed electronic systems that can remotely affect enemy missiles and even redirect them”, and also explicitly states that such developments were carried out, first of all, to affect the systems in service with Tehran.

        Do you understand the huge difference between the traps being fired, which everyone has used with great success a long time ago - or missile errors itself and the supposedly special Pentagon special ability to remotely retarget them?
        hi
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          a special ability of the Pentagon to remotely retarget them?

          There is worse
          The SA-15 Tor defense system used by Iran has one major vulnerability. It can be hacked or "spoofed," permitting an intruder to impersonate a legitimate user and take control

          The Tor system, grandfather writes, can be hacked from the outside and controlled directly by the Americans (you need to look for an application for remote control of Thor in the eplstor). That is, they connected from their omeriki and started. And if there was a confused fly? God saved, not otherwise.
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            it's even cooler.
            laughing
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        With radar seeker
        But Thor missiles do not have GOS, there is radio command guidance
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    Moreover, the tone here is set by world-famous American and British publications, which are completely impossible to suspect of involvement in the so-called “Kremlin propaganda”.

    It’s impossible for the Kremlin propaganda, but for the left propaganda of the US Democratic Party and Labor in England, very much.
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      But to the left propaganda of the US Democratic Party and Labor in England very much.

      It’s quite interesting there. Specifically, the American Herald Tribune is not leftists, but completely repelled comrades. The first thing Google finds from links in Russian: the United States burned people in a trade union house in Odessa with the goal of delivering nuclear weapons to Crimea. As for this former CIA officer, he works in the national interest center consul, not to be confused with the national interest center, which publishes the iconic national interest magazine in Russia. This consul is fighters against Zionism, fighters to such an extent that in the English language about this grandfather they mention another grandfather, the Fuhrer.
      As an author and analyst, Giraldi writes a regular column for the white supremacist and pro-Nazi media outlet Unz Review. He is controversial for the articles he has written denouncing Judaism and Jews and for his views on the Holocaust whose occurrence he has repeatedly denied


      It’s hard to understand in Russia, but among 330 million Americans there are people who differ in bestial hatred for their country, worse than conditional borders on today's Russia. There may be hundreds, maybe thousands, but they write a lot, and Simonyanovtsy and Prigozhinsky are very actively translating them into Russian.
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    US special operation, while others die ...
  17. dmmyak40 22 January 2020 10: 05 New
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    In 1980, in Mozambique, the local Tu-134 crashed with an experienced Soviet crew transporting the country's president.
    In the process of descent, the Tu-134 crew made a turn to the landing course 10 minutes to the point provided by the scheme and about 80 km. from her. The new course led towards the border of Mozambique and South Africa, passing through the highlands (Drakensberg Mountains). The reasons for this crew error have not been reliably established. On-board radio communications throughout the flight worked normally.
    There are not documented assumptions that the cause of the orientation error could be a sabotage carried out by South African special services against President Samor Machel.
    When the navigator, without the PIC report, changed the flight course to 38 ', towards the mountainous area, the PIC said "E ... does he make any turns? He couldn’t directly b ...", to which the navigator answered: "VOR there shows. " The crew should have known that for 34 minutes. direct flight, when reduced to a circle height (474 ​​m), there can be no signals from regular VOR beacons requiring a change in flight route.
    According to South African journalist Jacques Du-Pry, who was trying to independently investigate the circumstances of the accident, it is possible that somewhere in the Mbuzini area a radio beacon was installed that sent false signals to the air. These signals confused experienced Soviet pilots. Du Pry spoke with the local peasants who were the first to be at the scene of the disaster. In their stories, they mentioned a military tent pitched on a mountain into which an airplane crashed.
    The mobile beacon VOR exists and can very well be used as a "sabotage". It was produced by the company Northrop - Wilcox (USA) model 531. The lighthouse is mounted on a caravan and weighs (in total) 2250 kg.

    This is only a version, but there is something to think about.
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      This is only conspiracy thesis.
      It is no longer 1980, and not even 1986, when this event really happened, you have a mistake with the year.
      The apartheid regime in South Africa has long been replaced by the black regime, and if it were true about apartheid crimes, the new South African authorities with the disclosed documents from the archives would have been the first to say so long ago, and not just another correspondent with another conspiracy theory.
      A long time ago an official investigation was conducted and the reason was established without any conspiracy theories
      hi
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        The year is really incorrect, thanks.
        As for the publication of documents, very often only a small group of people with a clearance of over 9000 knows about a number of documents and it is not always possible to get to them (if they have not yet been destroyed).
        And the versions need to work out everything. Except frankly stupid.
        1. Avior 22 January 2020 18: 00 New
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          there are the results of an official investigation taking into account black boxes and other things.

          By mistake, they set the frequency of another lighthouse, instead of Maputo lighthouse, they tuned in to the Matsaf radio beacon and this led to a course error.
          Then, in conditions of poor visibility, we switched to visual flight and twice ignored the signal of dangerous proximity to the ground.
          I don’t know why my post was erased, where I described all this in detail, but this is a page with a short summary of the official version, including measures to improve security based on the results of the investigation, may be missed
          https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19861019-0
          1. dmmyak40 22 January 2020 22: 20 New
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            This is understandable, only a very ... strange person will dispute the JUICE data.
            Remember the Yak-40 disaster in Sharik, like, in which Artem Borovik and Zeya Bazhaev died?
            I watched a talk show where both the specialists from the IAC who were conducting the investigation and the pilots of that a / k + independent were invited.
            For me, the opinions of a / k pilots that the crash was not caused by crew errors (the presence of ice / snow on bearing surfaces + mechanization in an inappropriate position + undermining on take-off; I still don’t remember), but something. For example, an unknown man in the parking lot attached an explosive device to the wing (therefore, Yak fell with a roll). Or something hurt. What? They did not know, But they were sure that the crew could not be mistaken.
            Somewhere you can understand them: it is difficult to accept the fact that the crew with passengers died due to rush and unforced errors. But similar errors, alas, happen to all pilots, even experienced ones.
            They set the frequencies of the long-range and short-range drives of Makhachkala, and then it turns out that the short-range is correct and the long-range is tuned to the Baku drive. And the snot approach is chewing ...
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  18. Charik 22 January 2020 11: 11 New
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    so Americans with their Boeing since the last century, fraud
  19. Sirocco 22 January 2020 11: 16 New
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    I read the comment thread, what are we talking about? the Americans laid out two buildings (the Twin Brothers) buried thousands of their fellow citizens in order to unwind the whole Middle East under this pretext, and you are talking about Boeing with some couple hundred people, for them it’s zilch. Iraq Libya Egypt Syria destroyed, Iran remained without American supervision. Now about the main thing, this is a transponder, this turns out to be the most important device on a civilian ship, turning it off which can fill up the plane with passengers, given the fact that the Boeing American company assembled the plane by them, then there should be a tab in the electronics, I would do that. Remembering the conflict in Georgia in 08, what happened then, remember? ZhPS walked, the special forces installed Aimpoint Collimators on machines were cut down. So here the ears of the USA stick out with Partners in the form of Israel, which is glad to strangle Iran and other Arabs.
  20. iouris 22 January 2020 12: 14 New
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    It is possible that Trump will still have to "pay off." Shortly after the impeachment story.
  21. ZaharoFF 22 January 2020 13: 11 New
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    How interesting the version, of course. Will we find out the truth, that’s the question.
  22. Viktor 7007 22 January 2020 17: 02 New
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    smart yellow and black sho turn out. What sho you wanted.
  23. Morrrow 22 January 2020 18: 18 New
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    That USA is catastrophic. They lag behind and are no longer suitable in electronic warfare, then they have SUCH systems that suppress air defense systems for hundreds of kilometers. Lol, you already decide there
  24. Antonina Ignatenko 22 January 2020 18: 30 New
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    This, of course, is encouraging news: the era of state terrorism seems to be coming to an end. The people who started it, already tired of the mess that he sowed.
  25. Shahno 22 January 2020 19: 27 New
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    // Moreover, British sources are inclined to believe that Israel also has this kind of technology. //
    Technologies? We do not, but if necessary, we will apply them ...
    The question is, or is there, they will not report to you.
    Ours would not dare now, and so.
    If you personally gave the order to someone who is not going to the World Forum, but instead sends himself a vice president, it is entirely possible ..
  26. Zheleznyak 22 January 2020 20: 04 New
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    There was something other than the well-known video when a person takes a camera shot of a missile on a network early in the morning, before that, right after the tragedy in the USA and Britain, they said that the plane died for technical reasons - they say the engine overheated. As if inviting Iran to lie, but Iran acted differently ... I hope that devitrification will reveal all the circumstances and the management of the independence should finally understand with whom they are friends .... with that friendship with which is worse than hostility ...
  27. Abbodabad 23 January 2020 00: 20 New
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    The author refers to media reports on the external impact on Boeing electronics or on the electronics of an air defense missile. Let me ponder a little. The term "jamming" of the transponder bears on itself. What is it? Disabling a transponder on a Boeing? So what? The dispatcher contacts the pilot, tells him bad news, the plane returns to the port of departure for elimination. The incident is over. Maybe it means jamming the channel for receiving the signal from the aircraft transponder? Well, it’s easy to create a powerful sighting interference. But then what will happen to the marks of the remaining Boeings in the district? Something about this was not heard in media reports. Now about creating interference with air defense systems. This of course can be. But the question is, by what means? For this we need specialized EW or AWACS aircraft, no? But again, there are no reports that they hung out there somewhere nearby. Perhaps the new US F-35s that were spotted off Iran’s borders also have these capabilities, but it’s very doubtful. I do not know about such opportunities. Now about what Iran is saying. It is officially reported that the Boeing was confused with a cruise missile and therefore was shot down. In my opinion, this statement does not hold water for several reasons. First, how does Iran know the signature of the Tomahawks? Secondly, the level of the reflected signal of an airplane and a rocket differs by orders of magnitude and this difference is difficult to miss. Ok, let's put interference in the receive channel. But just look at the motion vector of the target. She clearly moved from the city and along the international corridor. What is it like? Any Pvoshnik will immediately realize. And do not rub about the low qualification of soldiers of the IRGC, nonsense! Thus, this statement is nothing more than a smokescreen of something else. Personally, my version is the presence of a conspiracy inside the IRGC. The subsequent protests are in good agreement with this, no matter who stands behind them. The plane could have been deliberately shot down by supporters of a conspiracy in the IRGC.
  28. Syroitel_nik 23 January 2020 21: 14 New
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    The day after the crash, there was a glimpse of infa that the plane accidentally delayed a departure. But in dvigun explosives were laid. When the flight departs at the right time, the explosion was supposed to happen, in an hour, over the Black Sea. At the time of the training of the Russian Navy, with the Supreme Commander. Something went wrong, Americans decided to destroy the plane. Otherwise, Russia again made excuses.
  29. Pavel57 23 January 2020 22: 41 New
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    Aircraft Boeing and as it often flashed in dark stories. An accident?
  30. bratchanin3 26 January 2020 10: 33 New
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    Very nice version! Given the unscrupulousness and meanness of the American elite, shooting down civilian planes is their hobby or a dirty trick.