The historian said what Stalin could not fix


At the conference “Stalin's Readings”, which was organized by the Day TV channel at the end of December, the opinions of many historians and other experts were voiced. Numerous topics were raised about the life and work of Joseph Stalin, including his work until the moment when he headed the country. Doctor of Historical Sciences Yuri Zhukov told the audience about what Stalin did not correct.


Yuri Zhukov began his speech by examining the question of what Stalin was doing from March 1917 - from the moment he arrived from exile. Working in Pravda, Stalin wrote about one thing: You can’t divide Russia according to national-territorial criteria.

It would seem, how can an ethnic Georgian oppose such a division? But the whole point is that Joseph Stalin, being a man of Caucasian blood, knew the Caucasus very well, especially Transcaucasia. He knew what was going on between the peoples of the region.

Yuri Zhukov:

He knew that to peacefully separate these peoples into "separate apartments" would still fail. There will be fights for the meadow, for the mountain, for the river, for anything.

As you know, when the USSR was created, the national republics were formed, which the Soviet leadership was usually proud of. But how everyone reacted to the provision of national-territorial autonomy in these republics, today everyone knows.

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  1. Basarev 21 January 2020 18: 50 New
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    But at the same time, as the people's commissar of nationalities, he fully approved and implemented the vile anti-Russian national policy.
    1. Finches 21 January 2020 18: 58 New
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      Zhukov, a respected historian — this is not Svanidze or Tolik Chubais’s brother, Boris ... Stalin didn’t do the main thing - he didn’t utilize Khrushchev! He didn’t get to the parents of Mikhail Sergeyevich - the counterrevolutionary forces were still enthusiastic in 1931 — those smelling the roof of the Trotskyites there and the liberals sympathizing with them, under their strict guidance, according to the approved patterns of intercourse, coordinated with the Anglo-Saxon world bourgeoisie, instantly compelled the little boy marked by the devil .... laughing

      However, I’m not joking at all ...!
      1. kjhg 21 January 2020 19: 25 New
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        Quote: Finches
        Stalin didn’t do the main thing - he didn’t utilize Khrushchev!

        What does Khrushchev have to do with it? Would remove Khrushchev, would come another, maybe even worse. The thing is different. It was necessary to build such a SYSTEM that the Khrushchev and Gorbachev could not come to power even close. In China, they were able to build. Why did Stalin fail? It is doubtful that I did not want to. Perhaps he thought he would live longer and still have time.
        1. carstorm 11 21 January 2020 19: 57 New
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          what system could they build in China, I’m embarrassed to ask even .... do you even know anything about China? there, the inner-party war has known how many years. in 15, Xi even openly declared that he would not tolerate factions within the party, and his dismantling with Jiang Zemin would be almost up to an open confrontation. there the generals swore allegiance to one then the other. newspapers were controlled by each of their own. For 55 tigers, is this expression familiar or haven’t you heard about the purges of 14 years? no need to idealize China so zealously and their com. the party. there is a showdown above the roof always. and this, when the system is closed, is a small part of what is known. C did not just become a leader without a deadline and dragged these changes. he even managed to write his name in the constitution in the provision on "guiding ideas of Xi Jinping under conditions of socialism with Chinese characteristics.
          1. kjhg 21 January 2020 20: 05 New
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            You do not understand what the SYSTEM is. This is when a person like Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Bush, Trump or Putin comes to power as a result of undercover intrigues, by deception, or even as power, the system will not fail, it will work as programmed, it will not allow you to change your system or Constitution, etc.
            Look at the USA. Almost nothing changes from the change of presidents there. None of them will be able to break the system and adjust it for themselves.
            1. carstorm 11 21 January 2020 20: 12 New
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              I perfectly understand this, as well as the fact that any system is vicious and anyone can come to power. I just gave you an example of how C even changed the constitution for himself. Doesn’t it bother you at all?
              1. kjhg 21 January 2020 20: 18 New
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                Quote: carstorm 11
                gave an example of how C even changed the constitution for himself

                Xi Jipin, yes, he began to rebuild the Chinese system without changing the course of the country. This does not bother them yet, but over time it may sideways with China.
                1. carstorm 11 21 January 2020 20: 22 New
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                  I don’t have a money collector and I don’t see the future. I just showed you that in China, the system also works as convenient for leaders and who can change this. the old system with two terms lasted as much as 30 years.
                  1. kjhg 21 January 2020 20: 25 New
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                    But what were these 30 years for China ?!
                    In the USA and in most European countries, it still works and gives results.
                    1. carstorm 11 21 January 2020 20: 28 New
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                      what kind? I’m telling you about a working system that you yourself called one in which anyone wants to, for example, cannot change the constitution. I clearly indicated to you that this is not so. I did not say anything about the United States, but only about China specifically.)
                  2. kjhg 21 January 2020 20: 28 New
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                    In China, if Xi begins to appoint and push people to positions on the principle of personal loyalty, not professionalism, then they will soon begin to have problems with the economy, and then with domestic politics.
                    1. carstorm 11 21 January 2020 20: 37 New
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                      in fact, he has been doing this for many years) "Tai Chi". Crown princes or the Shanghai clique or the Qinhua clique are only those groups that come to mind. but there is more. don’t you think that in such a competition someone will put strangers on his side?) The modern public administration system in China is complicated and confused due to the fact that it combines an extensive system of party, state and parliamentary institutions, with each of the localities branches of government duplicated by representatives of the center. However, there are a number of informal influential groups formed within the party and government according to territorial, family or guild principles that have a huge impact on decision-making. believe me, you just don't know much about China and their system. there everything was the same as in the Union, and now. clans and their people in key posts. offshore scandals and landing objectionable. just enough.
            2. neri73-r 21 January 2020 22: 35 New
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              In the United States, the president is not a power in our understanding, he is only a conductor and a repeater of ideas and directions of power, which is in the shadow!
              1. kjhg 21 January 2020 22: 41 New
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                Quote: neri73-r
                In the US, the president is not a power in our understanding

                It appears, but there power is balanced between Congress, the Senate and the President with his administration. It is the system of checks and balances that makes their system so tenacious.
                1. Dart2027 21 January 2020 23: 08 New
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                  Quote: kjhg
                  It is a system of checks and balances

                  There are two political parties in the USA that determine politics. Everything seems to be simple, but did anyone hear about the elections of those who run these parties?
            3. Maverick78 22 January 2020 07: 31 New
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              In Western countries, the president or prime minister is NOT A LEADER. He was put in office by certain forces in order to pursue the policy needed by these forces.
          2. New Year day 21 January 2020 22: 27 New
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            Quote: carstorm 11
            there is a showdown above the roof always

            it's great! They control each other! And we have? - Complete unanimity of all and in everything, in a word- SWAMP
            1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 02: 41 New
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              somehow equally good or bad. I just pointed out the fact that a person was mistaken in his vision and everything is much more complicated there. by the way about the control-purge 14 years. they were so controlled that they are not heard by some and will never be heard again. but a swamp. Well, the Ukrainian system is probably closer to you, it’s always fun there), there’s definitely no swamp there)
        2. Finches 21 January 2020 21: 09 New
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          That is, with the non-utilization of the parents of Mikhail Sergeyevich - do you basically agree? But Khrushchev, to be serious, it was he who laid the bomb under the legitimacy of Soviet power - his actions are akin to the liberal-bourgeois revolutionary-Februaryists - they overthrew the tsar, breaking the historical paradigm and power vertical - the Empire ordered to live long! Russia was saved only by the fact that there was a third, still unclear, power of the Bolsheviks! Unfortunately, she couldn’t stand up for herself with the advent of the near maize! And this was also Stalin’s mistake — he did not foresee how the country would develop further along the socialist path of development! The inertia laid by them was enough, but without the support of the movement, the Social System still bent! And it was necessary to lubricate it, to carry out maintenance ..., to modernize! I would still be driving! The capitalists are doing so - the most effective lubricant of capitalism is ... the global financial crisis, and when it does not help, then the world war! That is why the bourgeois system lives on, constantly being reanimated at the expense of human grief!
        3. New Year day 21 January 2020 22: 25 New
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          Quote: kjhg
          Perhaps he thought he would live longer and still have time.

          I think that everyone who climbed the highest chair thinks so
      2. Svarog 21 January 2020 19: 39 New
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        didn’t do the main thing - didn’t utilize Khrushchev

        That's for sure. If Khrushchev disposed of it, the history of the USSR could be a guide, for development, and now we would live in the USSR.
        1. solzh 21 January 2020 19: 56 New
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          If Joseph Vissarionovich would know that the jester Khrushchev would become the head of the USSR, he would certainly send him to the forefathers. It’s a pity I didn’t see the snake near me ...
      3. neri73-r 21 January 2020 20: 11 New
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        Quote: Finches
        Zhukov respected historian

        Yes, I agree, it’s a very interesting book, called “The Other Stalin”, it is worth reading, the history of the country looks very different and the processes that took place in the country at that time became clear and logical.
      4. Reptiloid 22 January 2020 07: 13 New
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        Zhukov respected historian
        Now, for the first time, I heard about a letter from Merezhkovsky and Gipius!
        We used to have at home some of the so-called junk books published after the 80s, including 2 volumes of Merezhkovsky. How could they be published then, under the Communists? Here, probably, the beginning was then gradually ---- poison drop by drop
    2. GKS 2111 21 January 2020 19: 19 New
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      Quote: Basarev
      fully approved and implemented the vile anti-Russian national policy.

      “Comrades, let me raise another, last toast.
      I would like to raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, pfirst of all, the Russian people (Stormy prolonged applause, cries of "Hurray").
      I drink, above all, for the health of the Russian people because it is the most prominent nation of all the nations that make up the Soviet Union.
      I am making a toast to the health of the Russian people because he deserved general recognition in this war as the leading force of the Soviet Union among all the peoples of our country.
      I make a toast to the health of the Russian people, not only because they are the leading people, but also because they have a clear mind, strong character and patience.

      Our government had many mistakes, we had moments of desperate situation in the 1941-1942 years, when our army retreated, left our native villages and cities of Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, the Leningrad Region, the Baltic States, the Karelian-Finnish Republic, left because there was no other way. Other people could tell the Government: you did not live up to our expectations, go away, we will set up another government that will conclude peace with Germany and provide us with peace. But the Russian people did not go for it, for they believed in the correctness of the policies of their Government and made sacrifices to ensure the defeat of Germany. And this confidence of the Russian people in the Soviet government turned out to be the decisive force that ensured a historic victory over the enemy of mankind - over fascism.
      Thanks to him, the Russian people, for this trust!
      For the health of the Russian people!

      1. Basarev 21 January 2020 19: 52 New
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        Yes, you can say anything in words. But to cut the Russian land in kind, to come up with two separate nations and shower the bounties and almost boyar privileges of the national minorities, generously endow them with lands that never belonged to them - all this happened with the sanction of the drug commissar. He, as a minister, could not have been unaware of the devastating consequences. He, as a minister, had everything necessary to prevent this from happening - but he had allowed it all for many years. That is, this is not a mistake and not forced labor (as the People's Commissar he was the most important and the highest in the national question) - it was a deliberate policy. And the unequal, miserable position of the Russians in the Union, even now, was striving for this, this was what they wanted, and this was what Stalin's assistants and Joseph personally achieved.
        1. Svarog 21 January 2020 20: 06 New
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          And the unequal, miserable position of the Russians in the Union, even now, was striving for this, this was what they wanted, and this was what Stalin's assistants and Joseph personally achieved.

          You want to say, the worse the position of the Russians, the more they multiply more actively? But why, then, is demography suffering right now, and it is the Russians who have a birthrate problem ..?
          1. carstorm 11 21 January 2020 20: 15 New
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            that something like a drop has been going on for decades and saying that it is NOW that suddenly manifests itself as boldly taking into account what is shown on your chart.
            1. Svarog 21 January 2020 20: 21 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              that something like a drop has been going on for decades and saying that it is NOW that suddenly manifests itself as boldly taking into account what is shown on your chart.

              Now it has been aggravated and the beginning began to aggravate precisely from the period of "perestroika" and before that, it was only growing, see the bottom line .. there are millions of people. But we are talking about Stalin and about how he “tricked” the Russians .. so for some reason, it was under Stalin that the Russians most actively propagated ..
              1. carstorm 11 21 January 2020 20: 26 New
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                the fall does not start from nothing. this is a bunch of obvious and hidden factors. and you always need to take the reference point from the beginning and not from the end. worsened? Of course, yes, and the main reason is the collapse of the Union. but how I reproduced without a clue. my family did not wear Russian nationality and therefore obviously did not fall into these statistics)
            2. solzh 21 January 2020 20: 34 New
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              Quote: carstorm 11
              something like that the fall lasts for decades and to say that it is NOW that suddenly manifested itself somehow boldly

              Yes, it has not just begun. But right now it is reaching disastrous proportions.
              1. carstorm 11 21 January 2020 20: 42 New
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                it is falling all over the world. even in Scandinavia which has always been an example of social security for children and their parents. the reasons are global and concern not only our country. and nothing can change it radically alone.
                1. solzh 21 January 2020 20: 57 New
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                  In Scandinavia and other Europe they are to blame. There is nothing to promote and implement non-traditional sexual relations and sexual licentiousness with the spread of the opinion that first you need all this kind of thing, and to create a family the later the better.
          2. Paranoid50 23 January 2020 01: 14 New
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            But why then

            For. yes Chewed-chewed, but not chewed-not horse feed. The trouble is the trouble ... Already on the second branch, this viral picture is like a gunpowder with a piece of a bus. laughing
    3. mister-red 21 January 2020 23: 17 New
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      Interestingly, how could he replace the creation of the USSR, which took place just like a union of national republics?
    4. Yury Siritsky 18 February 2020 13: 02 New
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      Do not talk nonsense. Without you, there are enough such freaks.
  2. rocket757 21 January 2020 18: 50 New
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    Knew, didn’t know what to do. I could not fulfill what I wanted, what I needed ... I can argue for a long time, useful lessons can be learned from everything that happened.
    Honestly, we can make our mistakes, then the descendants will sort them out ... maybe.
    1. purple 21 January 2020 18: 57 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Honestly, we can make our mistakes, then the descendants will sort them out ... maybe.

      yes already done ... incomprehensible Tatarstan ... Bashkiria ... etc. etc. Where in Russian they no longer allow children to study ... it still comes around ... if you don't stop now.
      not to mention the Caucasus. There should be a single law throughout the territory of the Russian Federation, without any discounts on local ... well, and no muddy local laws, parliaments, etc.
      1. rocket757 21 January 2020 19: 28 New
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        Quote: purple
        There should be a single law throughout the territory of the Russian Federation, without any discounts on local ... well, and no muddy local laws, parliaments, etc.

        Unified laws of course may not be adopted by some. It has always been that way.
        But those who accepted him soul and heart, and there should be a majority of them, become one NATIONS, one people! Managing this is both easier and harder.
        The nouveau riche, the thieves, want only their own way, only lighter and more divided, warring among themselves citizens of the same country to their very suit!
    2. Ross xnumx 21 January 2020 18: 59 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      Honestly, we can make our mistakes

      We made one mistake - we reconciled to the fact that the title of the Russian nation in the state was only in words. Right now, we continue to reap the benefits of management when the needs of not only the Russian, but also the entire Russian people are violated by a bunch of nouveau riche.
      1. rocket757 21 January 2020 19: 32 New
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        We made one mistake - we reconciled to the fact that the title of the Russian nation in the state was only in words.

        In the wake of the REVOLUTION, an idea was advanced ahead of time, very difficult to implement. Internationalism, separation only by class!
        The idea is beautiful, but could not be fully realized .... now we have many unpleasant, dangerous consequences that have come from past imperfections.
        1. Ross xnumx 21 January 2020 20: 05 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          In the wake of the REVOLUTION, an idea was advanced ahead of time, very difficult to implement.

          Namely - difficult to implement. But the simplest feature of building the Russian state was forgotten, when people are weak and united around the strong. Not greedy or cunning, but kind decent and strong.
          I can notice honestly and with a clear conscience. The past time has shown that the built-up Soviet socialist system was not without shortcomings and blunders in the leadership, but it was socially oriented, which cannot be said about today's society where the law of money prevails ...
          hi
          1. rocket757 21 January 2020 20: 13 New
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            Quote: ROSS 42
            But the simplest feature of building the Russian state was forgotten, when people are weak and united around strong

            This is useful for any multinational state.
            There is nothing to talk about today ... a simple method, share it, in any way, and RULE!
  3. Lexus 21 January 2020 18: 53 New
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    Alas, I couldn’t make some reasonable people. There are more questions to Darwin - he had a specialized education. Unfinished his "Theory".
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    As long as I remember. we were taught that the national policy of the early USSR was just like an impetus to the destruction of imperialism, which was built on the primacy of the Russian. Therefore, the national republic. Here a little aposl when the Soviet Union co-formed - then it was already necessary to reorganize back in the province - wow, yes, mistake, now we disentangle
    1. eagle owl 21 January 2020 22: 31 New
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      It’s easier to give minus than to object ...
      1. apro 22 January 2020 04: 40 New
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        As long as I remember. we were taught that the national policy of the early USSR was just like an impetus to the destruction of imperialism,

        You still have not appreciated the activities of the interim government ..
  5. gel
    gel 21 January 2020 18: 59 New
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    Dividing by nationality, the Bolsheviks planted a terrible bomb. It exploded in the end.
    1. karabass 21 January 2020 19: 20 New
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      If there were no established, outlined borders of the republics of the former USSR, it could have been much worse! I would have to fight!
      1. Dart2027 21 January 2020 19: 44 New
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        Quote: karabass
        If there were no established, outlined borders of the republics of the former USSR

        That would break it would be much more difficult.
        1. ANB
          ANB 21 January 2020 21: 38 New
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          By area would be destroyed. Yeltsin was all the same, if only to become the chief.
          1. Dart2027 21 January 2020 23: 06 New
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            By area would be destroyed. Yeltsin.

            Yeltsin was far from the main and not the only one. But to ruin Russia into regions, thank God, did not work, unlike the republics.
  6. Amateur 21 January 2020 18: 59 New
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    Doctor of Historical Sciences Yuri Zhukov told the audience about what Stalin did not correct.

    An old joke. At the headquarters of the Supreme High Command, a plan for the spring offensive in 1944 is discussed. G.K. Zhukov says that it is necessary to advance in southern Ukraine. Rokosovsky shouts that it is necessary to advance in northern Belarus. Smoke, scream, matyugi. Hoarse Vasilevsky wearily asks: "Comrade Stalin! What do you think?"
    Stalin: "I must consult with Colonel Brezhnev."
    Comrade Yu. Zhukov was probably also present at the same time.
  7. knn54 21 January 2020 19: 26 New
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    Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers created the USSR, defended it. And OUR generation could not save it. It remains to blame Stalin and Lenin. In the West (Spain, Belgium, Italy, Great Britain and the USA) there are enough similar problems, but they solve them.
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      1. Kleber 21 January 2020 21: 31 New
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        You quoted from Khrushchev’s memoirs. And he attributed a lot to Stalin what he did not say.
        1. paul3390 21 January 2020 21: 33 New
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          This does not change the essence of the phrase.
    2. destiny20 22 January 2020 00: 31 New
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      And OUR generation could not save it

      broad concept. who exactly are you blaming? what year of birth?
      or did you forget how happy the collapse? you and your generation too
      Usually people like you yearn for a scoop for one simple reason - there was a childhood ... and you must admit, it’s a golden time. all the hunt will return there. So stop shedding tears for this misunderstanding. Nobody regretted it then. Live in the present. it's much more fun!
  8. solzh 21 January 2020 19: 41 New
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    96 years ago, on January 21, 1924, the leader of the world proletariat, the creator of the world's first Soviet state, Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov-Lenin, died. Bright memory to the dear and respected Vladimir Ilyich. In childhood we were taught to affectionately call him: Grandfather Lenin.
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    1. solzh 21 January 2020 20: 20 New
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      Quote: destiny20
      It was not a man. it was a geek! it’s unfortunate that this monster lived so long

      See do not choke on your hatred of the Great Joseph Vissarionovich.
      1. Balabol-M 21 January 2020 20: 35 New
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        Quote: solzh
        Quote: destiny20
        It was not a man. it was a geek! it’s unfortunate that this monster lived so long

        See do not choke on your hatred of the Great Joseph Vissarionovich.

        They are still afraid of him, he did not allow them to turn around ... They turned around in full in the 90s, and they are still afraid, and at night they hear a knock on the door (of their palaces) ..
        Russia is still alive and it scares them ..
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        2. solzh 21 January 2020 21: 04 New
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          You are completely right. The only thing I want to say is that these two users: destiny20 and chip are ordinary trolls. Such from time to time appear on the site. Their main task is to vulgarize and humiliate both our past and present. I haven’t seen trolls here for a long time. Apparently something happened if they reappeared ...
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    2. Finches 21 January 2020 21: 23 New
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      Apparently, the Geek is you ... you - after all, the troll is not a person - but the result of a random connection in the drunken stupor of fabulous creatures! Moreover, telecommunications - muddied by the exchange of electronic secretions of virtual partners! That is - an absolute geek! laughing
  10. chip 21 January 2020 20: 18 New
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    With his own ignorance, this character struggled all his life, but could not fix it.
    The scheme, when first “let's repress part of the army, there are no irreplaceable!”, And then: “there’s no one to fight, everything is falling apart, let Rokossovsky out! (Well, figuratively speaking)” - our people cost in rivers of blood. And so in all areas - our "wise" leaders of those times received ideas about managing a huge state "in practice", as if the kids sat down to play a computer strategy, only now the "bets" were not virtual at all.
    We remember.
    1. solzh 21 January 2020 20: 29 New
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      Quote: Chip
      With his own ignorance, this character struggled all his life, but could not fix it.

      Wow, educated have appeared.
      For your information, JV Stalin read up to 400 pages of books a day. All his contemporaries who communicated with him mention his well-readness and that he was comprehensively developed. Read the same Golovanov or Rokossovsky and other memoirs of people from those who personally spoke with him on working issues.
      1. chip 21 January 2020 21: 56 New
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        Quote: solzh
        For your information, JV Stalin read up to 400 pages of books a day.

        And this is only at breakfast!

        Quote: solzh
        All his contemporaries who communicated with him mention his well-readness and that he was comprehensively developed.

        Quote: solzh
        Read the same Golovanov or Rokossovsky

        You read it. K.K, Rokossovsky, "Soldier's duty":
        What Stalin meant by this, I did not begin to ask and left him with gloomy thoughts. Consciousness that Bet again did not have enough exposure to carry out so correctly conceived counterattack depressed me

        From there:
        I remember the conversation that took place in my presence between G.K. Zhukov and I.V. Stalin ...:
        .
        Zhukov stood his ground:
        - otherwise nothing will come of it. One desire is not enough.
        Stalin did not hide his irritation, but Zhukov did not give up. Finally, Stalin said:
        - Go, comrade Zhukov, think that you are still free.
        .
        He was right then: one desire is not enough for military success.

        Here I am about the same thing - one desire was not enough, we need knowledge and endurance. So I had to compensate for the lives of soldiers.
        1. solzh 21 January 2020 22: 21 New
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          Quote: Chip
          And this is only at breakfast!

          Eating? Nude ...
          Quote: Chip
          You read it. K.K, Rokossovsky, "Soldier's duty":

          It reads:
          A few days later, the Supreme Commander urgently requested me. Having arrived to him, I learned about the difficult situation near Stalingrad, where the enemy managed to break through to the Volga on the northern outskirts of the city. In this regard, previously planned activities were canceled, and the forces allocated for their implementation were sent directly to Stalingrad. I should have flown there and replaced the commander of the Stalingrad Front, General V.N. Gordova, who could not cope with this role. I should have received the remaining instructions on the spot from the deputy Supreme G.K. Zhukov.

          Saying goodbye to me, Stalin added that a special commission, headed by Bokov, would fly to Stalingrad there, with the task of cleansing troops and headquarters from unsuitable command and political personnel. He also emphasized that I should mean that the South-Western Front generally looks more for the Volga. What Stalin meant by this, I did not begin to ask and left him with gloomy thoughts. The realization that the Headquarters again lacked the endurance to carry out a counter-strike so correctly conceived depressed me. True, they sent me to where intense battles were going on, and did not return them to a quiet section of the common front, in which I found solace.

          So it is necessary to bring correctly, and not one-sided ...
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            it is necessary to bring correctly

            The meaning is the same. No endurance, no knowledge. Only desires, of which it was not enough.
            1. solzh 21 January 2020 22: 26 New
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              laughing
              Thank you, you amused me. I haven’t had so much fun on the site for a long time. A year and a half at least. Only then was the other person’s login.
              1. chip 21 January 2020 22: 27 New
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                have fun

                Have fun on the bones? Oh well
                1. solzh 21 January 2020 22: 30 New
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                  Probably it was you after all ... Your training manual is still old. And the manner of writing is the same ... Adieu. Change the training manual write, talk.
        2. solzh 21 January 2020 22: 24 New
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          Quote: Chip
          From there:

          And here is how this text actually looks like:
          I remember the conversation that took place in my presence between G.K. Zhukov and I.V. Stalin. It was a little later, already in winter. Stalin instructed Zhukov to conduct a small operation, it seems in the area of ​​the Mga station, in order to somehow ease the situation of Leningrad residents. Zhukov argued that a major operation is needed, only then the goal will be achieved. Stalin replied:

          - All this is good, comrade Zhukov, but we do not have the means, we must reckon with this.

          Zhukov stood his ground:

          “Otherwise, nothing will come of it.” One desire is not enough.

          Stalin did not hide his irritation, but Zhukov did not give up. Finally, Stalin said:

          - Go, comrade Zhukov, think that you are still free.

          I liked the directness of Georgy Konstantinovich. But when we left, I said that, in my opinion, we should not talk so sharply with the Supreme Commander. Zhukov replied:

          “This is not the case with us yet.”

          He was right then: one desire is not enough for military success. But during the battles near Moscow, Georgy Konstantinovich often himself forgot about it.
          1. chip 21 January 2020 22: 26 New
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            Smsl is clear from a shorter quote. Your sheet is useless.
            No endurance, no knowledge. Desires alone that have cost countless soldier lives.
  11. anjey 21 January 2020 20: 31 New
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    Stalin wrote about one thing: You can’t divide Russia on a national-territorial basis.
    And it was necessary to forcibly create a common Soviet “cauldron of nations” as an example of the USA, but these are two big differences, there are colonial immigrants from around the world who have squeezed and exterminated the indigenous nation, who have come to new lands, and how to resettle the same Kazakhs from their steppes voluntarily across the country, to divide pieces into multinational regions ??? How to tear them off from their native lands painlessly? Kazakhstan was already multinational. There would be just as many dissatisfied nationalists of this mix and coal would smolder for the time being, until they were kindled from the outside, having bribed national elites, which was the main reason for the collapse of the USSR, now you can blame everything on Ilyich, supposedly he planted a national bomb, is that so?
    1. Hypatius 21 January 2020 21: 47 New
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      ... now you can blame everything on Ilyich, allegedly he planted a national bomb, is that so?
      VIL is credited with authorship of the pamphlet "On Great-Russian Chauvinism". He unleashed apartheid of Russians. PS Until now, I remember the vile feeling of this opus. And this is the last thing I could read from the works attributed to VIL. I don’t even know whether to advise her for review or not. PSS Stalin somehow leveled apartheid, for example, its resolution: “I propose to stop all the tasks of the Latinization of the Russian language.”
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        And what do you want, to create a new multinational equal state and unite the peoples of the USSR, to realize the ideas of internationalism, then any priority in nationalism is only harmful. Today, the GVP also holds such views that would prevent chauvinistic shattering and nationalistic attacks from any angle.
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          You can’t argue, but ... A multinational equal state of RI had a place to be. VIL, however, baldly accused the Great Russians of chauvinism, laying the foundation for chauvinism of other peoples (inventing languages ​​and alphabets for them, bringing tribes to the status of peoples, privileges) and infringing on the rights of Russians. For example, Russians were expelled by villages beyond the fictitious borders of Tatarstan, the same Latinization of the language, lack of capital, and so on. Even at sunset, the USSR, Russia and Belarus were donors.
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  12. Radikal 21 January 2020 20: 53 New
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    If there were no established, outlined borders of the republics of the former USSR, it could have been much worse! I would have to fight!

    And to all with everyone, a full-blown civilian, as Joseph Vissarionitch predicted - for fields, mountains, forests and rivers. sad
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    yes already done ... incomprehensible Tatarstan ... Bashkiria ...

    Yeah. Yakutia yet. "Russia for Russians" will be limited to the Moscow region. I lived a year in Kazan, traveled to Tatarstan. They don’t run into Russians anywhere. There were problems there, but they were not connected with nationality. Tatars everywhere fought and plowed for Russia. In Moscow, from the native Muscovites a large proportion of the Tatars. Yes, the Tatar was even a temporary king.
  14. Gardamir 21 January 2020 21: 35 New
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    Ah site lagging behind the government cooked up.
  15. tatarin1972 21 January 2020 21: 45 New
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    I think that Joseph Visarionitch was giving nothing to the camps of the OUN and UPA officers for 25 years in vain; the best option is the Naval Forces. But history has no subjunctive mood. Therefore, we have what we have.
  16. Guazdilla 22 January 2020 01: 10 New
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    ... and only the indulgence of Moscow in the 50s, 60s, 70s
    But this is elementary Watson.
    If indulgence is called the penetration of Western ideology, after the factories that arrived from there, which were inherited in the form of reparation, trophies in soldier's things. Following the Lend-Lease provisions delivered from overseas. That was such a (un) modest hickey of a charming potbelly stove. And the winner did not resist. Melted away.
    But it’s right to call it not indulgence.
    On one sixth of the land, depleted by the next pressure of the united acrid west, the immune system was broken.
  17. wooja 22 January 2020 03: 39 New
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    blaming Stalin for what was not done-- it’s stupid, Stalin did not live in a vacuum, and was far from omnipotent .... and his party comrades were still those wolves ... under the heading - before reading-- burn.
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    Listening to Yuri Zhukov, I am once again convinced of the rightness of Stalin. Only by understanding the past of our country, we can judge the present and future.
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    Woe is a historian. I listened to him for a long time, such nonsense carried ....
  20. Nikak 23 January 2020 12: 37 New
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    In general, all those military men in the army, special services, former communists who went over to the Yeltsin gang of crooks and scumbags, served this crook for personal enrichment at the expense of the people, there are traitors to the USSR, the country that pulled their ancestors and, in fact, from master slavery and exploitation .
    hhttps: //youtu.be/9yZzwtE72co

    Comrade Stalin, there is no substitute for you!
    All Russia has withered away with a liberal horde!
    The country is undergoing reform-change
    In capitalism they are looking for a golden foundation!

    Lies, theft and poverty of the people,
    Corruption, robbery - rotten being!
    Who will give the answer, what kind,
    Where did the filthy crook come from?

    Nazism, Fascism and Zionism in addition
    He fell upon our Soviet people.
    There will be someone who will measure their change
    For women and children, Slavic-Russian clan?

    The story of all the ancestors is scolded,
    The great feats of fathers and mothers.
    Eaten lies and western scraps,
    For millions of lost people!

    So how much can you sell your homeland,
    Under the control of traitors, ignoramuses?
    To call for freedom, playing a feast
    In the illusions of democratic hopes!

    The people of the world peacefully ask for a change,
    Wishing for a fair, new change.
    Get away from verbiage, substitution,
    Freed from betrayal, betrayal!

    Great Stalin there is no substitute for you!
    Tired of the homeland from crooks of thieves,
    Like they are hungry hyenas
    Pounced on the homeland of their fathers!

    There is no substitute for you, great Stalin!
    In the collapse of democratic hopes.
    Russia languishes in liberal rubbish!
    In the arms of the lying, the scoundrels of the ignorant.

    They like the contention and poverty of the people,
    Corruption and the poor of their native land !?
    Great Leader, answer what kind they are,
    Destroyers of sovereignty of the native country!

    You gave your life for the prosperity of the state!
    You didn’t take your bribe, you didn’t steal in your pocket!
    Fought the black horde not for glory
    From the enemy capitalist countries!

    Great Stalin, there is no substitute for you!
    After all, Russia is dying from evil Western enemies.
    Rise and help solve problems
    Save from the capitalist shackles.

    And let those liberals tremble
    Betraying the great, my country.
    Russia all will go through misfortunes and adversities!
    And will not remain in a rotten, sick captivity!

    All over the earth will remain forever
    Victories, feats of the fathers of their native country!
    Peoples will remember honestly
    Great, your conquests!

    For centuries, they will not be forgotten by generations,
    All the battles of the Russians with the devilish enemy!
    The peoples of the world will remember forever!
    About Stalin - a decisive fighter!

    After all, he lived, he didn’t work for himself,
    And in order to save everyone from the slave path,
    Great Stalin, worked unselfishly
    For the good of the world, the peoples of the whole earth!

    So let glory pour in an eternal song
    About the great feats of the peoples of the USSR,
    Where were you the leader, all Soviet power!
    Comrade Stalin - the great leader of the fathers!

    Great Stalin there is no substitute for you!
    All Russia rots under the master's heel,
    In Russia there are reforms and betrayals,
    In capitalism they are looking for their rotten mouth!
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    "Yuri Zhukov began his speech by examining the question of what Stalin was doing since March 1917." Author, it would not hurt you before
    check your opus for errors by publishing!