Patriots and emigrants: who are they for Russia


... wherever the path may run, we Russian dreamed land.

V. Nabokov


foreword


How did this article come about?

I am Russian. The roots of my ancestors, simple peasants, are lost in the depths of centuries in the villages of two northern Volga provinces. And my grandfathers (one of whom was a participant in the Russo-Japanese War and brought his wife from the Far East, the future mother of my father) are lying on a quiet graveyard under tall birches near a church near a small Volga town, famous for its old park, manufactories and well-known throughout Russia weavers and illustrious military leaders (for some reason, most are aviators). And in other cemeteries of this town, many of my relatives are buried. My close relatives today live in Orel, Yekaterinburg and Moscow, and my distant relatives live in Leningrad-Petersburg, Stalingrad-Volgograd, Gorky-Nizhny Novgorod, Eastern Siberia, the Don, Kuban and in the same town in which I often as a child spent the summer holidays. My parents also come from this town.

The father, who had become a regular soldier before the war, had the fate of a typical military USSR, with frequent relocations. He served in Moscow, the Caucasus, the Far East, in the post-war East Prussia, Lithuania and Latvia. After another service, again in the Far East, where he retired, he moved his family and settled in one of the Russian cities of New Russia (today it is the territory of Ukraine). Where did I, his son, born on a frosty January morning of the second year after the Victory in the Far East, go when I grew up, on business trips and campaigns throughout the Soviet Union. He returned here with his family, having worked for many years in the seas of the Far East.

And in 1991, the collapse of the USSR. Then it was thought that this would not be for long. It turned out - for a long time. And in 2014 something happened that was not even dreamed of in the most nightmare dreams: the power in Ukraine overnight, as a result of a coup d'etat, was seized by Bandera (it later became clear that the coup had been carefully and thoroughly prepared by the Americans)! And again, at first it was thought that it would not be for long: even the hardest World War II lasted less than four years. But for the seventh year already, pro-American compradors with the help of hand-held Bandera keep the whole country under a hood and sights. They are a minority, but they, supported by the West, hold power tenaciously, carefully monitoring and brutally suppressing the slightest attempts to counter the majority of the people who disagree with them. There is no opposition at all: those who call themselves opposition are accomplices of power.

And we are all waiting for the beginning of the offensive of the Donbass, carefully following both the Donbass and what is happening in the homeland, in Russia. There are a lot of people like me in Novorossia (and in central Ukraine there too). It’s only a pity that the mood of most Russians (judging by the communication on the Russian Internet) towards us has changed a lot. Instead of the fraternal “Russians do not abandon their own!” In 2014, one can now increasingly hear that ALL Ukrainians are stupid scum and subhuman (and after all, over 130 nations and nationalities live in the state of Ukraine, most of which are against Bandera!). And many, having learned that you are from Ukraine, are simply insulting. VERY unpleasant to hear this from the brothers! But it seems that they were virtually all infected by the fool Nastya Dmitruk ... On the one hand, we are pressed by the current pro-Western authorities with Bandera and their media, calling cattle, sucks, scoops, Sovdeps, quilted jackets, cotton wool, Colorado, rashists, putinoids and terrorizing as soon as possible On the other hand, they are close-knit Russian non-brothers (not all Russians!), offering for no reason to help, die quickly and calling stupid Ukrainians and, in general, almost the same words as Ukrainian Bandera.

As an answer to everyone who, without understanding and without thinking, offends ALL residents of Ukraine, this article arose.

About emigration


This topic is extremely popular and relevant recently in Russia. Not a day is passing now so that at least one or several events of this topic are not widely covered, hotly and heatedly discussed by both Russians and Russians abroad.

In the last thirty years, many Russians have begun to travel and go abroad. Some for a while, others for good. Some retain Russian citizenship, others do not. They behave differently abroad and talk differently about Russia and the Russians. Differently and they are estimated by Russians. Sometimes it’s wrong. Here, in order to better and more clearly understand who the famous and ordinary Russians and Russians really are, who are really Ovechkin, Malkin, Medvedeva, as well as Kasparov, Chichvarkin, Babchenko, Serebryakov, Maksakova, Loiko, Pozner, Makarevich, Basilashvili, Akhedzhakova, Panin, Lisa Peskova, many others and you yourself, this article is written. I believe that it does not bother everyone to look in the mirror, think and draw some conclusions. Those, of course, who have normal brains and they work in the right direction.

Emigration has always been. For a variety of reasons, people left their countries and left, left, sailed away, flew to other countries. There was always emigration in Russia. In different periods it intensified, then weakened, changed its intensity and direction. In difficult times, it was larger, in the years of improvement it almost stopped.

About Russian patriotism, patriots and false patriots


It so happened historically (geographical location, vast expanses, wars, revolutions, periods of devastation, restoration, stagnation) that Russia, being the largest country in the world and possessing huge natural wealth, has never been the most prosperous and comfortable for people to live. But, despite this, in Russia there has always been, is and I am sure that there will always be that majority of the resident population that is called the people of Russia. These are people who, despite natural and artificial, man-made shortcomings, difficulties, sometimes deprivations (difficult, and in some places very harsh climates; labor, housing and domestic inconveniences sometimes; not always kind and attentive, and sometimes just cruel attitude authorities and officials to the needs of ordinary people; injustice sometimes in wages, other absurdities and hardships of Russian life), do not leave anywhere, do not run, but live and work in their country and for its sake (but not for the sake of temporary workers - officials and rulers!) ready for privation I, difficulties and even death in the midst of the defense of the homeland. it true patriots of Russia, its foundation, its strength. These are people of different nations and nationalities of the multinational Russian Federation, who in other countries are called briefly in one word - русские.

Recently, some began to make patriotism dependent on the number of banknotes. This is completely wrong: patriotism for money is not patriotism.

True patriots always act in the name of the good, development and prosperity of their Fatherland and for its benefit. True patriots love their country and people, but they relate normally to the peoples of other countries. Unlike false patriots (cheers and national patriots)who, hiding behind loud demagogic phrases about love for the motherland, act to her detriment, often pursuing their mercantile goals. And national patriots, if they manage to break through to power, always lead their states to collapse.

One kind false patriotism - cheers patriotism (ultra-patriotism, or leaven) Hurray patriots (ultra-patriots) also love their homeland and state, but with hypertrophied exaggerated blind love in extreme, reckless forms and demand the same from all members of society, accusing them of lack or lack of patriotism. Ordinary cheers-patriots are always ready to rush into a battle with a real, and often imaginary, fictitious adversary, on the instructions of the leaders or their own fabrications, without any reasoning or thought. The leaders of the cheers-patriots exercise leadership and direction of the rank-and-file cheers-patriots, but usually they themselves do not engage in battles, preferring to observe from the side and from afar. Hurray patriots consider the people of their country to be significantly higher than the peoples of other countries.

Separately, it must be said about radical extremes of jingoism (ultra-patriotism) - about the dead end (according to world experience) branch of patriotism, its right extreme: national patriotism or chauvinism. National patriots are also patriots. But, unlike real patriots, who are well disposed towards normal people of their own and other countries, they painfully and exaltedly love only their Motherland and only that part of their people that shares their radical beliefs, and all other peoples and that part of their people that they do not support them, they hate and consider them enemies, they fight against them with the most cruel methods. What are similar and do not differ from all other nationalists in the world. Including from Estonian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish and Ukrainian (Bandera). Very accurately, M. Zhvanetsky once said this a long time ago: "Nationalism is also patriotism, but with a bias in schizophrenia." There are many national patriots in Russia. From the most radical underground neo-Nazi to the relatively soft semi-underground and open type of NOD.

About emigrants and emigration from Russia in detail


But there are other people in Russia - emigrants. This is a small part of the Russian population compared to the people of Russia (recently, 200-300 thousand a year, up to 0,2% of the Russian population or up to 1 out of 500 people). The Russian emigration consists of several groups.

The first group is emigrants according to circumstances. These are people who did not really want or do not really want, but were forced to leave or were forced to leave Russia. Most of them are emigrants after the collapse of the USSR, when millions of Russians, Russians remained outside of Russia. And the program to return compatriots seems to have been adopted in Russia today, but it is so poorly implemented that one can speak either of its sabotage, or of its declaratively fictitious character, causing significant reputation damage to the Russian state and casting doubt on the popular motto “Russian they don’t give up! ”This is especially noticeable in comparison with other countries of the world, where such programs are not only extremely effective, attentive and kind to compatriots, but also bring great benefit to these states gifts, and to people and societies themselves. Another significant part emigrants according to circumstances - These are members of families where one of the spouses is a foreigner (foreigner). Most of the emigrants who have remained abroad or leaving do not break ties with Russia due to circumstances, many retain Russian citizenship, language, culture and teach their children to them, and never oppose condemning Russia and the Russians either. There are other reasons for this type of emigration.

The second group is internal emigrants. This is a special, very specific emigration. After all, living in Russia, communicating with fellow citizens and government officials, a person refuses to recognize (usually partially) the real and existing Russian state, government, laws, history, Russia itself and its people, not responding his requests, interests and concepts. The most famous and active figures of this virtual emigration (usually from among the creative intelligentsia), who themselves have appointed and declared leaders and the voice of the whole Russian people, on behalf of themselves and their supporters, who they call the whole Russian people, demand from the supreme power of Russia to immediately fulfill all CASH requirements and immediate harmonization of Russian laws with CASH requests and interests. Their The “ideal state” for some reason is very reminiscent of the state of Western democracy. And funding for their activities usually comes from there. Internal emigration is almost always the forerunner emigration of tiers.

Citizens who, in addition to Russian, have foreign passports of other states, work in Russia and freely act in the interests of своих foreign states, do not belong to internal emigrants. And the assessment of their usefulness and expediency of staying in Russia is determined by the FSB. Finally, on January 15 of this year, V.V. Putin drew attention to this and proposed amending the Constitution of Russia on this issue.

The third group is emigrants. If very briefly, then get out - these are the Russians who do not want to be Russians and Russians. For a variety of reasons, the feeling of patriotism in these people is either poorly developed or completely absent. And by character, they are usually adventurers. These people have recently been a significant part of Russian emigration. They leave Russia for a better and richer life (because this emigration was once called long ago "Sausage"), assuring that the developed Western countries willingly accept emigrants and give people more opportunities than “backward Russia”. For the sake of this, they are ready to abandon everything: their homeland - Russia, Russian citizenship, language, culture, often relatives and friends, and accept citizenship, language, culture, and customs of the host country.

Get out they leave, knowing that difficulties await them there and will not be easy. But they do not know how enormous these difficulties are! Why? Because Russians all over the world, with the exception of several countries friendly to Russia, are afraid, afraid and considered capable of any crimes because of powerful Western anti-Russian propaganda. And also because mainly ambitious people emigrate from Russia, although they are well educated, of secondary qualifications and abilities, and it is precisely such a contingent that is least needed in the developed countries of the West. Most of all there is a demand for workers of prestigious low-paid professions, where they are reluctant to take educated, demanding, with high self-esteem and justice of Russians, preferring to them all Latinos, Asians and Africans.

Who are welcome in the West? First, the very well-educated talented and promising young people or well-known, outstanding, world-famous creators and scientists. Especially with a significant amount of data (preferably of a secret nature) about Russia. Secondly, rich and very rich people who make significant contributions and investments in the economy of the host countries. Moreover, the sources, methods and methods of acquiring capital are usually not of interest to the host countries at first. Although in the future, under certain circumstances or the aggravation of relations with Russia, a sharp increase in the interest of law enforcement bodies of these countries to the circumstances of enriching a guest or a new citizen right up to trial, arrest, annulment of capital and expulsion of their former owner from the country is not uncommon. Third, well-known, famous, media figures from Russia, agreeing and leading Russophobic propaganda in the Western media. For not very rich, but popular in Russia people, Russophobia - the easiest, easiest, affordable and cheapest way to get and establish yourself in the West. The more Russophobia is, the more kindly they are treated there, the better for them. The truth, truthfulness and accuracy of Russophobia in the West do not bother.

Recently, the main emigration does not come from deep Russia, but from capitals (Moscow - almost half, from St. Petersburg - almost a fifth) and large centers. This is surprising and sad because these cities have significant benefits, privileges, higher salaries and they live much better and richer than the Russian hinterland. Even sadder is that during the Great Patriotic War it was these cities that showed high patriotism and served as an example of it. And now some of them are fleeing abroad ... However, such people have always been.

There are many trials and difficulties awaiting Russian foreigners in a foreign land. But the biggest, hardest and sometimes terrible test for many is nostalgia. Sooner or later, she always comes to all emigrants. But if you can avoid other difficulties, hide or run away from nostalgia, you won’t run away from nostalgia: it is in you, it constantly worries and disturbs the soul. In different ways, people fight and endure it. For some, it passes quickly and almost imperceptibly. Others have been tormented by it all their lives. There are cases of fatal defeat ... Some find ways to distract. Others do not stand it and return to Russia. Only the children brought by their parents are little nonsense, and the children of immigrants who were born in a new country do not know it and live in peace.

Special mention must be made of Russians who go abroad for significant periods of time, but who are not emigrants. These are people who go to other countries of the world to study, internship, on business trips, to work, for training (elite athletes). They have Russian citizenship, relations with the embassy and Russia, they behave there, as a rule, with dignity and do not appear in the Western media with discrediting Russia and Russian revelations, statements, speculations and fabrications. They always return to Russia. They are - true patriots of Russia.

Last question, last answer


In the world, everything is complicated and ambiguous. Almost all questions have many answers. And only the question ("Are you a patriot of Russia?») Always resolved uniquely. Either yes or no. There is no third option.

Afterword


I know that those whom I touched on in the article will now fall upon me with reproaches, accusations and insults. There is nothing surprising in this: like all societies in the world, Russian society is heterogeneous. And it was never uniform! But the real Russian patriots will understand and support me.
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  1. apro 22 January 2020 05: 21 New
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    Patriotism and emigration .. a strange combination.
    I consider emigration as one of the forms of protest. The inability of self-sufficiency and implementation is pushing for a decision to leave the country.
    Among my friends, this attitude is equal with understanding. Children are looking for opportunities for a decent life. And they are leaving for China. Korea. Korea. Someone for a while at all.
    1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 January 2020 05: 45 New
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      require the supreme power of Russia to immediately comply with all their requirements and immediately bring Russian laws in line with their requests and interests
      I simply remind the words of a person who implemented his ideas about laws in accordance with his requests, but for ALL Russians sitting in the State Duma in the United Russia faction:

      "I want my children to grow up in Germany as part of the culture and people to which they belong."
      (Robert Schlegel, former deputy, now German citizen)
      1. bessmertniy 22 January 2020 06: 45 New
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        The Patriot does not look for places where it is better, but transforms where he lives. This is probably why most emigrants dislike the local population. Even in those countries where they are intensely called. what
        1. Simfy 22 January 2020 09: 38 New
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          I completely agree with you, with rare exceptions, they run in search of a better life (mainly material wealth)
        2. NEXUS 22 January 2020 10: 53 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          The Patriot does not look for places where it is better, but transforms where he lives. This is probably why most emigrants dislike the local population. Even in those countries where they are intensely called. what

          Patriotism is based on the love of their homeland, and not on hatred of other countries. In general, love, as a state of mind, is not capable of generating hatred a priori. And when a person says that he loves his homeland, while hating or not perceiving the peoples of other countries (namely peoples), in fact he is a hypocrite and a liar.
          I, as it is fashionable to say now, an emigrant who came to Russia and became a citizen of the Russian Federation. I am Russian by nationality. However, for "native" Russians, I will never become as Russian as they are, since I am a newcomer. And for me this is another kind of nationalism. What determines the purebred nationality of these people? Speaking, manners, looks?
          Even VO is full of such types of patriots of Russia who do not hesitate to call both Gaster and Moldova (I came from Moldova) ... my father is from White Sea. According to some scientific works, there is an opinion that approximately from those places Russia began. However, for the "purebred" Aryans (excuse the Russians), this is not an argument at all, because the main argument for them is that I came to their country. It doesn’t reach them that this is also my historical big Motherland.
          1. Olgovich 22 January 2020 11: 59 New
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            Quote: NEXUS
            Even VO is full of these types of patriots of Russia who do not hesitate to call both Gaster and Moldova (I came from Moldova)

            This is from ignorance of the History of Russia: Russia is not the remnants that remained of it after 1991,
            This is Novorossia, of which Bessarabia, Slobozhanshchina, Uralsk, Verny, etc., etc., are a part.

            The author correctly said about the Relocation Program of the related people: ineffective window dressing with bullying such as analyzes on the soft chancre, etc.

            Israel's program in this regard is a role model.

            In the meantime, the Russians abroadwho find it harder to break through to their homeland than to the west, they go anywhere.
            A familiar Russian from Moldova, has 4 sons: travels all over the world all year: one son lives in Australia, one in the USA, one in Germany, one in St. Petersburg ...
            1. apro 22 January 2020 12: 45 New
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              Quote: Olgovich
              Russia is not the remnants that remained of it after 1991,
              This is Novorossia, of which Bessarabia, Slobozhanshchina, Uralsk, Verny, etc., etc., are a part.

              But do the Russian authorities know about this? And what did they do to fix it?
        3. Po-tzan 22 January 2020 16: 52 New
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          Quote: bessmertniy
          The Patriot does not look for places where it is better, but transforms where he lives.

          I'm a patriot. Tell me how can I convert the salary at a city-forming enterprise from 20 thousand to 50?
    2. Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2020 18: 28 New
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      Quote: apro
      Patriotism and emigration .. a strange combination.
      I consider emigration as one of the forms of protest. The inability of self-sufficiency and implementation is pushing for a decision to leave the country.
      Among my friends, this attitude is equal with understanding. Children are looking for opportunities for a decent life. And they are leaving for China. Korea. Korea. Someone for a while at all.

      It is strange that the person who read the article, which clearly states both about patriotism and emigration, is surprised at this. Either he read, but did NOT really understand (it is too far from his concepts), or he is disingenuous and pretending he did not understand (well, he really does not want him to tell the truth about himself!). I think the second.
      Protest? Of course, you are protesting against "bad" power. The classic "second group" of emigration is internal. So achieve (legally) good power and a good life! But after all, you and your children (the third group of emigration) are not interested in this country, it does not matter to you. You are only interested in yourself and the number of banknotes. You are NOT a patriot. Your children are NOT patriots. Your friends are NOT patriots.
      And patriotism and emigration are the antipodes
  2. rocket757 22 January 2020 05: 24 New
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    What's new in the article?
    Nothing, they’ve spoken about this a hundred times, wrote, cursed.
    An attempt to put everything together and “explain” ... the thing is not grateful, not very promising.
    Plus for the attempt, for the courage not, not in the minefield .....
    1. Same lech 22 January 2020 05: 42 New
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      An attempt to put everything together and “explain” ... the thing is not grateful, not very promising.

      I agree ... how many times I was kicked both my and my own for trying to explain the problem impartially smile ... sometimes their own are worse than an adversary.
      Therefore, in addition to patriotism, one must also have sober brains capable of really assessing the situation without emotions ... so Vladimir Mashkov is a plus from me.
      At the Rambler forum, I met all the categories listed by Mashkov ... in addition to them there are cave Russophobes and sophisticated intellectual bastards (not only Russians, but also Russian-speaking Czechs, Balts, Ukrainians, Poles, Americans, Greeks ...) I’m not sorry for such rabble.
      1. rocket757 22 January 2020 07: 01 New
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        ITS OWNS, they are like that ... if they love, then to the fullest, if they beat, then you will rewind!
        Now people are admonishing, trying to explain, reconcile, things are not thankful .... everything is too flaming, hot now and when it dies out, it cools down ????
        1. Banshee 22 January 2020 08: 17 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          ITS OWNS, they are like that ... if they love, then to the fullest, if they beat, then you will rewind!


          Come on ... Straight beat ... So, croak. In fact, Mashkov well done. No matter how much they say on this topic, there will be little. The reason is simple: just go in and read the wheeze of the Urikals in any article relating to “we’re all over here”.
          1. rocket757 22 January 2020 08: 39 New
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            Quote: Banshee
            Come on ... Straight beat ...

            This is a figurative expression.
            All kinds of extremes always exist, it’s just the time now for them to “prove” themselves, to shout louder ... maybe gingerbread cookies, cookies for that.
            1. Victor N 22 January 2020 19: 21 New
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              The time now is to act calmly and carefully, without excesses. Why should a boat swing in vain? You can drown yourself.
              1. rocket757 22 January 2020 19: 54 New
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                Quote: Victor N
                You can drown yourself.

                When and to whom did it stop?
                There is such a “sort” of people who want to drink champagne and chest in crosses!
                In any case, if you intend to steer the boat, you need to have a lot to have and be able to, and even realize that if the boat, still sink, there will be LOTS of options! Including such that after the boat you go to the bottom yourself!
          2. Lexus 22 January 2020 18: 07 New
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            Novel hi
            You can distinguish a quack from a true patriot.
            "Urya" is absolutely not important in what state the Motherland is - at least the "carcass" - the main thing is that your beloved should be full and comfortable in a "hut from the edge". They don't care about the rest. Yes, and they are ready to “scratch” their skin for their homeland only on sofas or in words. At the same time, to uphold their own comfort and protect the "benefactors-comforters" always urge others. Therefore, they tear the throat without sparing the ligaments, because if it doesn’t smell true, then at least the crowd needs to be shouted so that the opponent feels himself an outcast.
            There are a whole bunch of them, you’re right.
        2. rich 22 January 2020 08: 46 New
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          V. Mashkov: On Russian patriotism, emigrants, kvas patriots and false patriots

          Oops, how much you mixed together, and your brains were dusted, and the rest. Already find out on the forum which of them is a real patriot, and who is not laughing Nonsense is all. There is no pure white and pure black. In order to find out something, you need to build on something. What for you personally, Vladimir, the concept of patriotism? Write an article about this, And we will discuss. And so far nothing. So when we come to a general concensus that suits everyone what patriotism is, then we will find out who is real and who is not. In the meantime, in your article there are only one slogan templates, and attempts to sort the rest are not clear by what criteria.
    2. aybolyt678 22 January 2020 08: 50 New
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      Quote: rocket757
      What's new in the article?

      + would set out to sort through the concept of Patriotism, its objectivity and subjectivity, this is a difficult thankless task, but for that, a forum. And then the word sounds, but the meaning is blurred, different shades of meaning are given different meanings and applied based on political benefits. How does patriotism differ from loyalty to the political system, from longing for childhood, youth and native places .... And finally, is it time to introduce a patriotic tax on foreign cars and gadgets ??? laughing
      1. rocket757 22 January 2020 09: 03 New
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        Quote: aybolyt678
        And finally, is it time to introduce a patriotic tax on foreign cars and gadgets ???

        And they can beat for such an offer ... not at our bottom, because there is nothing more to take from us, but much higher, where the wealth of the country settles and then is exchanged for all sorts of things, very foreign, more often than not!
  3. polar fox 22 January 2020 05: 26 New
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    These are people who go to other countries of the world to study, internship, on business trips, to work, for training (elite athletes). They have Russian citizenship, relations with the embassy and Russia, they behave there, as a rule, with dignity and do not appear in the Western media with discrediting Russia and Russian revelations, statements, speculations and fabrications. They always return to Russia. They are real patriots of Russia.
    examples are M. Sharapova, M. Safin, L. Peskova .... just examples of patriotism ... like all the "athletes," performing under the white flag.
    in my opinion, the big patriots were gangsters from the 90s ... like the statesmen.
    1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 06: 15 New
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      you don’t understand a little bit. Become a tennis player with a future in Russia does not work, believe me. all the strongest trainers and schools are located abroad and parents who have moved their children to this sport since childhood give their children abroad. and it won’t work out differently. at the same time, it’s wildly expensive that parents sell apartments and everything in general. I mean, patriotism is not determined on any scale and a lot of factors exist when the choice is limited. Well, here is Sharapova, for example. her dad took her to the states in an open field and plowed as if afraid that the Olympic champion would grow up. is this not patriotism?
      1. polar fox 22 January 2020 06: 29 New
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        Quote: carstorm 11
        Well, Sharapova for example. her dad took her to the states in an open field and plowed as if afraid that the Olympic champion would grow up. is this not patriotism?

        patriotism, definitely. therefore, for fires in Australia-25k greens, for fires in Siberia -0. like hockey players, for schools in the USA-1lyam, for Russia, a thick bolt. it's so patriotic!
        1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 06: 38 New
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          stupid things. the same Sharapova, since she was born in Gomel, always donated money to Chernobyl victims and created a whole fund. Beslan helped children and orphanages in the Russian Federation. Well, this is an example to you. About hockey players in general nonsense. Ovechkin always helps the same schools. He and Kovalchuk held matches to raise money for fire victims. Many open schools in their native cities. Datsyuk or Kulyash. Remember the hockey player Tkachenko from Loko who crashed? he generally quietly transferred money to the sick for children. for 4 years 10 lyamas and if it had not died, people would still not have known about it. and there are thousands of such examples. just looking who wants to see what.
          1. Banshee 22 January 2020 08: 23 New
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            Dmitry, you're right, I applaud you. Such examples are wagons that relate to athletes. Khorkina has a magnificent complex in Belgorod, where her younger sister leads. Also a gymnast. "She's gagged on deputy kickbacks." There is a volleyball center of Gennady Shipulin (not to be confused with a biathlete). In the same place. And there are enough such examples.

            But no, we just need to poke in the face with at least something. A gifted car, a white flag ... Patrioidiotism blossoms and stinks. And usually those who stink ten times not able to run or run at least three kilometers stink ... But they are patriots.
            1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 08: 41 New
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              just in my understanding, patriotism is a very broad concept. and each person has the right to a separate let's say so the definition of his actions for life. just at least you need to know what people are doing. and see what is and not what I want to see. sports clubs have taken patronage of orphanages for years. at my own expense. but who knows about this? it's time to learn how to hang up not cliches and at least just look around.
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            Charity is when a person shares the last. And this is a handout from the master's table. It is pumped up by the money of the oligarchs, taken from those to whom they ,, help ,,.
            1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 11: 44 New
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              what an epic stupidity ... I don’t even want to explain why. human actions need to be evaluated and not their value. if every person in the country does the same, then life will change. I don’t have to repeat the matter of money. but in deeds.
        2. NEXUS 22 January 2020 11: 26 New
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          patriotism, definitely. therefore, for fires in Australia-25k greens, for fires in Siberia -0. like hockey players, for schools in the USA-1lyam, for Russia, a thick bolt. it's so patriotic!

          Are you sure that our hockey players, the same Ovechkin and Malkin did not collect a dime? I’ll tell you a simple example ... I have a friend, the famous singer Victoria Cherentsova. Somehow in the FB she posted a post about a boy who urgently needs a very expensive treatment. The boy really needed treatment, and his parents were not able to find such an amount. It was about millions of rubles. So she published an invoice, with the words, “whoever can, help. People sent money.”
          Here is this little boy ..


          And on December 8, Victoria wrote ..
          Victoria Cherentsova
          8th of December 2019
          STOP ASSEMBLY!
          AMOUNT GATHERED!
          Tonight, Anonymous Benefactor transferred 100 million rubles, thereby closing the entire necessary amount !!!!!!!!!
          MIRACLE HAPPENED!
          May God give well-being to everyone who participated in the fundraising!
          YOU SAVED DIMA!

          Often, charity is not ostentatious. Who knows who transferred that amount ..
      2. aybolyt678 22 January 2020 08: 53 New
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        so that the Olympic champion would grow. is this not patriotism?

        maybe this is love for children and the struggle for perspective for them?
        1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 09: 03 New
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          But is it not patriotism to change my whole life and make my daughter an Olympic Russian champion, or have I forgotten the silver from her in truth already? forgetting about your own ambitions and desires? for me it’s such a very clear example. raise a child who brought fame to his country .and of course we can now say that she is rich or lives abroad. only she is Russian, and her father did that. all her life she spoke only under the Russian flag is not patriotism? this is a very complicated topic in fact.
          1. Gardamir 22 January 2020 09: 43 New
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            Why don't you write an article on this topic. For me, for example, this discovery is about Sharapova and many others.
            Let's just say your article will make life better.
            1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 10: 08 New
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              everyone should do their own thing) but I know about Sharapova because the girl herself and one from tennis is a fan) I have to be aware) I will soon begin to understand rhythmic gymnastics because the younger one has grown) now she has a life among women)))))
      3. Alexander Suvorov 22 January 2020 16: 06 New
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        carstorm 11 (Dmitry)
        eg. her dad took her to the states in an open field and plowed as if afraid that the Olympic champion would grow up. is this not patriotism?
        And in what did you see patriotism here? No, I don’t have to bother, I’m really interested in what you saw patriotism here?
        In addition to commercialism, I personally do not see anything here.
        1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 16: 25 New
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          Yes, that's all. as a tennis player, she could only grow up abroad. these are the realities. this is an expensive and piece athlete. the child is taken away very early. and so she became her. but performed all his life under the Russian flag. at the same time, with her income, our federation could not interest her much. I’ll say more she still has a Russian passport and in the states a green card. and so a man who has everything there grew up to those who praised their flag for the whole world. He did much more for his country with his achievements than 90+ percent of those living with us. patriotism is also a choice, so you see her yourself, like her father, who could grow one like that. I note we are not talking about a grabber or a third-rate athlete, but about the one who was the first racket of the world in my opinion 5 times for sure. the elite of the sports elites of this. we are here forever criticizing everything and everyone, forgive me of course (I classify myself as such) compared to her, they did nothing at all. zero. Well, which of us is a patriot then? those who chat or those who do?)
          1. Alexander Suvorov 22 January 2020 16: 49 New
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            carstorm 11 (Dmitry) we are here forever criticizing everything and everyone, forgive me of course (I classify myself as such) compared to her did nothing at all. zero. Well, which of us is a patriot then? those who chat or those who do?)
            It depends on how you look. For example, my grandfather went through two wars, was wounded twice. Then he went to build a factory as a simple hard worker, although he could have settled down quietly in the district committee or city committee, the party and military experience allowed this to be done. Moreover, he was called there more than once. Then he worked at the same plant as a caster, and in the same place he lost his finger phalanx. Or my father, who, since I was born in the north, washed gold for the country and have not seen a family for 7-8 months. Or I, who has been working for several years in production. Who brought more benefits to the country? Not the USA, where Sharapova earns and where does the nologians pay, but to Russia?
            No, of course I understand that she is such a philanthropist, well done. But this is where its significance for Russia ended. But the millions of simple hard workers who contain this country, they are certainly not such patriots of Russia as Sharapova, their work is simply not visible.

            And about the big sport I’ll say sedition. Sport died long ago, at least 30 years ago with the collapse of the USSR, there remained just business, and large. Tell me, do you really believe that Kokorin and Mamaev are really worthy of the salaries that they receive? This applies not only to football players, but to everyone else, including Sharapova. You have already been written to you above, and I will repeat myself, because I completely agree with this thesis. All this charity is like a feast during a plague. They (athletes) earn rabid grandmothers who are paid to them by the oligarchs, the owners of their clubs and who these oligarchs actually stole from this very nation, which, if it is lucky, can be helped “charityly” in terms of handouts. It looks more like humiliation. For example, it infuriates me that from every box, practically through all the channels, you can only help the boy Kolya, Petya, Vasya, you need millions for an operation. So maybe not pay Mamaev and Kokorin millions of absolutely undeserved money, but return the money to the boys Petya, Vasya, Kolya from whom this money was stolen? Maybe then there will be no need for this hypocrisy under the plausible name of charity?

            P.S. Waiting for cons from the "right" patriots.
            1. carstorm 11 22 January 2020 19: 02 New
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              Well, the topic began with a completely different one) in that it is bad to hang cliches. that everyone does something but few see it. including athletes. no one says that ordinary men are bad) but as for stolen it is not for you to me. who the hell will convince me that it used to be better with this because these Vasya and Kolya would simply have died in a country in which cancer was treated like king peas. Now they have a chance for money, but whose survival during the USSR was stupidly not. Do you know that even a diagnosis of cancer was considered to be a patient did not speak the right decision? so as not to cause him psychological trauma. what kind of wildness is this?
            2. solzh 22 January 2020 22: 23 New
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              Quote: Alexander Suvorov
              P.S. Waiting for cons from the "right" patriots.

              Good night!
              Alexander, and if I put you a plus sign, then I get the wrong patriot? That's because the day turned out to be with me ... Some people got me naughty today, once again determined that I was not Russian, they called me a Russophobe, I didn’t like my profile picture, so I still turn out to be a wrong patriot! laughing wink hi
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                Good night!
                Alexander, and if I put you a plus sign, then I get the wrong patriot?
                Sergei hi , you know that I didn’t mean you. We agree with you in almost everything. By “right” patriots, I meant completely different people, I won’t list anyone, because you can rattle in a ban for “not patriotic” ...
                1. solzh 23 January 2020 01: 21 New
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                  you know that I didn’t mean you.

                  Of course I know. Just a little humor wanted to add, the day was unsuccessful. Sorry if something went wrong with my joke. drinks
                  Quote: Alexander Suvorov
                  By "right" patriots, I mean completely different ones, I won’t list anyone

                  I even guess who wink laughing
  4. forty-eighth 22 January 2020 05: 28 New
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    With emigration, everything is simple.
    In China, emigrants consider them conductors of their interests in the world; they support and subsidize them in every way. In Russia, immigrants are considered traitors and enemies of the people. They are insulted and hated.
    Hence the different attitude towards immigrants. Chinese immigrants in any country are accepted as a full-fledged minority, Russians - as roguish adventurers.
    1. Same lech 22 January 2020 06: 14 New
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      In Russia, immigrants are considered traitors and enemies of the people. They are insulted and hated.

      Correctly believe ... because many of them pour mud on their former homeland, their former country ... how many I have met on the Internet ... always whining like it's time to bring down this country ... how to dump it revolution in Russia ... why love them ... they prefer to live for free abroad and not make a better life in Russia despite all the difficulties.
      1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 January 2020 06: 53 New
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        not to make a better life in Russia despite all the difficulties
        Well, the problem is that their ideas of what a better life should be do not coincide with the ideas of 86% of (conditionally) Russians. Therefore, on the contrary, their departure is an indicator of their respect for the opinion of 86%, whom they do not try to convince or remake, but give them the opportunity to build a better life for themselves as they see it. What's bad about it?
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          their departure is an indicator of their respect for the opinion of 86%, whom they do not try to convince or remake, but give them the opportunity to build a better life for themselves as they see it. What's bad about it?

          Great argument smile I haven’t seen such a thing ... only for what we need to train and grow such people on our own head ... why the hell in our country such parasites are needed.
          1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 January 2020 08: 04 New
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            They will inevitably grow, because all people are different, everyone sees happiness in their own way, for some people the images of happiness are consistent, for some not. And since they inevitably exist, they must be encouraged so that they leave and do not continue to parasitize at home.
            1. Fan-fan 22 January 2020 11: 31 New
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              Or can people create favorable conditions for living here, for self-realization here? For example, I opened a business, and you were squeezed out of it or had the imprudence to disrupt the powers that be and they began to press you, like Grudinin, would not have climbed into power, but would have sat quietly, looking and the state farm would not have taken it from him. It’s just that people are tired of being patient, well, people can’t see injustice and lies all their lives and be silent about all this. Whoever disbelieves in justice and does not fight it, he runs away from here, and who reconciled, he does not run, and it turns out that he is a patriot, since he did not run away.
              1. Vyacheslav Viktorovich 22 January 2020 11: 56 New
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                People want different things. Some want business and guarantees of property rights, others want the relevant authorities to actively fight the bourgeois element. Realization of happiness for both is possible only if you geometrically separate them in space at a certain distance from each other. So, if someone stays, then someone leaves.
      2. solzh 22 January 2020 12: 17 New
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        Correctly believe ... because many of them pour mud on their former homeland, their former country ... how many I have met on the Internet ... always whining like it's time to bring down this country ... how to dump it revolution in Russia ... why love them ... they prefer to live for free abroad and not make a better life in Russia despite all the difficulties

        I fully support. All these emigrants fled the country in search of a better life. At all times, they tried to climb under the warm wing of a foreign country and yap from there. hi
    2. Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2020 20: 35 New
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      Quote: forty-eighth
      With emigration, everything is simple.
      In China, emigrants consider them conductors of their interests in the world; they support and subsidize them in every way. In Russia, immigrants are considered traitors and enemies of the people. They are insulted and hated.
      Hence the different attitude towards immigrants. Chinese immigrants in any country are accepted as a full-fledged minority, Russians - as roguish adventurers.

      You know, China has less territory than Russia, but MUCH more people. Therefore, they have such an approach to emigrants and emigration is logical, probably. Maybe when I become Chinese smile smile I will also think so. laughing
      As for the assertion that in Russia they treat all emigrants badly and hate them, I believe that not all and not all, but only very stupid people. SMART people always understand: after all, emigrants are different
  5. WILL 22 January 2020 05: 32 New
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    The fish is looking where is Deeper - Man is where is Better! (C)
    Unfortunately, Highly Qualified Personnel leave, often because they are not in demand in the Homeland. It is necessary to protect the Specialists - to create “greenhouse” conditions for them, then there will be breakthroughs in both science and industry.
    1. Same lech 22 January 2020 06: 37 New
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      The fish is looking where is Deeper - Man is where is Better! (C)
      Unfortunately, Highly Qualified Personnel leave, often because they are not in demand in the Homeland.

      Those who don’t give a damn about their country leave ... as a rule, Russia has given that person the highest qualifications (free of charge) and those same countries get such a skilled worker without investing a single pfennig or a dollar in his training ... such a picture turns out.
      1. Professor 22 January 2020 08: 13 New
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        Leaving those who do not care about their country ...

        Or who the country didn’t give a damn about.
    2. Obi-Wan Kenobi 22 January 2020 06: 47 New
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      I agree. +++++++
      Quotes from the Singaporean leader, Lee Kuan Yew, whose words have never diverged from deeds:
      "If the country is mismanaged, all smart people will leave."

      “Not all state leaders shared my views on the negative effect of emigration. When I told Malaysian Prime Minister Tan Razak in the early 70s that Malaysia suffered from a “brain drain”, losing many highly educated Chinese and Indians who left for Australia and New Zealand, he replied: “This is not a brain drain,” but a leak of problems. ”

      “Talented people are the country's most valuable asset.”

      “If the power of the state we control is not used to improve the life of the majority, but to fill the pockets of the minority from the power hierarchy, then we will have to do it badly.”

      “Human ingenuity is almost endless when it comes to converting power into personal gain.”
      1. depressant 22 January 2020 10: 22 New
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        These two comments are closer to the truth. First of all, patriots should be members of the government and the president. About the latter especially.
        Having humiliated the Soviet period of our history with his irresponsible statements, at the same time morally destroying 80% of his population by saying “Who are the Russians?”, He makes these 80% redundant in our historical Motherland and redundant in our Motherland. It turns out that he designated us, Russian, rootless, who took on his unfortunate head from somewhere in the 91st, and now he demands patriotism from Russian citizens by the article of the Author? Maybe because the United States is pulling troops openly to our borders? I would be involved in the economy! Because they are fighting economies. And he didn’t open his mouth out of business.
        Everyone in Zabugorje-Stan is surprised: why didn’t the Russians come forward against the pension reform on a common front? Here, in France, they came out, got what they wanted from Macron. Yes, because in a strange house decent guests do not set their own rules. The French are at home, and we live as if out of mercy in the house of Putin and the government gang, where we were not lucky enough to go.
  6. Comrade 22 January 2020 05: 45 New
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    Virusi are those Russians who do not want to be Russians and Russians. They leave Russia for a better and richer life, assuring that the developed Western countries willingly accept emigrants and give people more opportunities than “backward Russia”. For the sake of this, they are ready to abandon everything: their homeland - Russia, Russian citizenship, language, culture, often relatives and friends, and accept citizenship, language, culture, and customs of the host country.

    Fools.
    Everything is relative, in comparison with the average Russians they will look pretty good after some time, but compared with the locals who have achieved something in life, they will almost always look pale.
    There is little good work in the West today, and almost nothing shines for white immigrants, and even immigrants from the former Union.
    I know the case when a Ruslan pilot came to Montreal with his family, many thousands of flight hours, high qualifications and extensive experience. A man stuck in one, second, third airline - he was sent everywhere. In order to earn his daily bread, he got a job at the airport in the technical service, and cleaned the airfield. Yes, the salary is not bad, you can afford a lot, but he is not an animal.
    He has professional pride and human dignity. In Russia, he was the pilot of the An-124, but here the airfield cleans. And for what? For the sake of grubs fatter?
    He suffered, suffered a year and a half, then spat and went back, since he didn’t lose touch with his colleagues or with his superiors.
    1. AK1972 22 January 2020 12: 43 New
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      In a foreign country there is such a thing - extra-professionalism, i.e. excessive professionalism. That is why they will not hire a Russian extra-class doctor in Norway or in Canada, because he will be able to replace several local doctors of the middle class, and his own cannot be left without work.
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        in Norway or in the same Canada they will not hire a Russian extra-class doctor, because he will be able to replace several local mid-sized doctors

        He will not be hired for another reason - the lack of a Canadian diploma. There are two ways: either you go to study from scratch, or you go and retake exams at a local university. Affects everyone, not just doctors.
  7. Nonna 22 January 2020 05: 53 New
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    For Russophobe and anti-adviser Zhvanetsky fat minus. With what fright did this paper maraca call all nationalists schizophrenic? Is he - what is the conscience of the nation? Then whose nation? Anyway, the author here divided everyone into sausage varieties. There are also sectarians-Nodists with their father Fedor. It’s ridiculous to read about patriots who love Russia from afar and nostalgic for a glass of vodka, about elite athletes who were highlighted in bold italics - they don’t say disgusting things about their former homeland and that’s fine. And is it possible to be a patriot with two or three citizenships like our officials and Duma members of all stripes, beating their heels in the chest at the word Russia?
    1. Krasnodar 22 January 2020 08: 26 New
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      You yourself wrote a couple of days ago that Your children have no perspective but to leave the country
      At the same time, they wrote about kindergartens in Krasnodar with “70 children in a group”, which is, to put it mildly, an exaggeration, if not slanderous. Considering himself a patriot.
      At the same time, you are called Russophobe Zhvanetsky, who, being not a poor person and not attached to his place of work, chose Russia as his place of residence, if possible living in any place on the planet.
      If you consider yourself a nationalist and a patriot, then your patriotism is strange laughing
      1. Nonna 22 January 2020 09: 38 New
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        Krasnodar, I see you are not indifferent to my statements and to my children - the third time you mention. Are you alright? I can recommend a good psychiatrist. And about Russophobe Zhvanetsky. A direct quote from your non-policeman is Mikhail Zhvanetsky: “My dream is to even out the place where Russia was and build something new. It’s just to level it off ... ”.. In his youth, he crap on the USSR, now on Russia. Stability is a sign of mastery.
        1. Krasnodar 22 January 2020 10: 11 New
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          Judging by your posts, your psychiatrist is very unprofessional ...)).
          About Zhvanetsky - the phrase in the original - To level the place where Russia was and build something new ... a new, strong Russia, different and funny. ”
          Reference:
          https://m.ok.ru/video/11671176688
          And your children do not interest me - at the very four. I wonder why you are lying.
          1. Nonna 22 January 2020 11: 08 New
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            Krasnodar. .You remind me of an old bulldog who grabbed his favorite bone. And it’s a pity to quit and the teeth are blackened. Request - do not throw links here. You have already fooled with them. Why repeat it. As for the lie or the truth - who are you to blame other people for something. Prove that you are an honest, unworthy righteous man. To begin with - write your full name, surname and middle name. Or do you have something to hide? My questions do not require an answer. You are not interesting to me from the word at all.
            1. Krasnodar 22 January 2020 11: 19 New
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              1) I think you are younger - judging by the age of the son, sister-in-law, etc.
              2) Are you talking about the lack of free pools in Krasnodar? laughing
              Here is another one for you
              https://obzor.io/2018/06/01/besplatnye-bassejny-vnov-otkryty-u-dk-olimp-v-krasnodare-69657/
              Free pools reopened at Olimp DC in Krasnodar

              June 01, 2018 13:27 7056
              They will work every day until September 1 wink
              3) Are you interested in my full name? Bourgeois Edrosovich Maybach hi
              And since I'm not interested in you, I agree.
              1. Evil543 22 January 2020 15: 25 New
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                In addition, a Jew, an emigrant, not an altruist, and a raider campaign angry
                1. Krasnodar 22 January 2020 15: 52 New
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                  1) Jew
                  2) Emigrant - twice)) Once from the USSR to Israel, the second time from the Promised to Russia
                  3) Misanthrope
                  4) No, not a raider. )))
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                    I would be a misanthrope, I would not sit here, would go to the mountains and throw stones at people from high. Raider, Raider ...
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                      She is not - just a Jew, a Zionist, a bastard (s), laughing
    2. Comrade 23 January 2020 02: 27 New
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      Is it possible to be a patriot with two or three citizenships like our officials and Duma members of all stripes, beating their heels in the chest at the word Russia?

      It is possible, especially if you are from Ukraine, for example, and took your feet from there even after the first "maidan", and Russia you associate with the Soviet Union.
      A plane with a two-hundred-meter St. George ribbon circled over Montreal on Victory Day for hours. It costs tens of thousands of dollars collected by people who did not break the spiritual umbilical cord from their homeland.
      They organize a motor rally on May 9, hundreds of cars go in columns in the city, in Russian and Soviet flags, thousands with St. George ribbons on their chests congratulate each other on Victory Day, although they are not familiar. They carry several veterans of the Great Patriotic War in their arms.
      Where Russian is, there is Russia, do not forget !
  8. The leader of the Redskins 22 January 2020 05: 57 New
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    Yes, the topic is not new and, for sure, will cause a heated discussion. But the author at the beginning of the article asks not to consider ALL Ukrainians as bad people, although the paragraph earlier calls all the power in Kiev Bandera. That is, he himself hung a label on the Ukrainians, and then asks for selectivity ... I am not impressed by either Yanukovych, Poroshenko, or Zelya. But the author interferes with a bunch of everyone - both Jews and Ukrainians, and who else is there under the guise of "Bandera." Consequently, 70 percent of voters are also Bandera? Oh, thanks....
    Many begin to cite as an example, the march of banderlogs in early January. So in Kiev, it seems, the gay parade is larger in number, so can we change the labels?
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      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      in Kiev, it seems, the gay parade is more numerous, so can we change the labels?


      10 points! Actually, the author didn’t hang on that much, I agree with him: far from all. I know. Where did you get the figure of 70%?
      1. The leader of the Redskins 22 January 2020 11: 09 New
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        Approximately so much voted for Ze))))
  9. samarin1969 22 January 2020 06: 06 New
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    With the author, as with any person, you can argue. But for the views and the text - "+". It was interesting to read.
    Patriots are those for whom "Russian Spring" will never end. For many - forever.

    "Ovechkin, Malkin, Medvedev, as well as Kasparov, Chichvarkin, Babchenko, Serebryakov, Maksakova, Loiko, Pozner, Makarevich, Basilashvili, Akhedzhakova, Panin, Lisa Peskova ..." - and why remember them? Russian in spirit among them did not notice.

    ps "Cheers-patriots," neither media nor live, did not meet. There are "price list patriots." Theirs is a "full TV". So those-for the state, and not for the "Russian World".
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      Quote: samarin1969
      "Ovechkin, Malkin, Medvedev, as well as Kasparov, Chichvarkin, Babchenko, Serebryakov, Maksakova, Loiko, Pozner, Makarevich, Basilashvili, Akhedzhakova, Panin, Lisa Peskova ..." - and why remember them? Russian in spirit among them did not notice.

      so the author drowns because they (in his opinion) are true patriots!
      1. Maki Avellevich 22 January 2020 06: 44 New
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        Quote: polar fox
        so the author drowns because they (in his opinion) are true patriots!

        recently in VO someone brought an eastern proverb:
        Walking along the street with musk there is no need to shout about it. everyone smells like that.
    2. Svarog 22 January 2020 07: 36 New
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      ps "Cheers-patriots," neither media nor live, did not meet. There are "price list patriots."

      That's right, cheers patriots are patriots according to the price list. I have the same opinion. hi good
      1. depressant 22 January 2020 11: 53 New
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        Colleagues, in the list of people taken from the article and designed to turn our attention to the "light weight" patriots - athletes, actors, chess players, and others, Liza Peskova is cunningly inserted in Jesuit, deflecting the blow from her dad. Having justified these figures with arguments like “it didn’t work out at home,” “the conditions for development are better there,” “life is short, we must live now, and not prepare for the future,” “and why such a thing — capitalism is everywhere now and the borders are open” and so on, you thereby justify not only Lisa Peskov as the daughter of a well-known figure, but at the same time - a huge number of traitors to the interests of the country, endowed with power of the highest ranks and living in two houses. Is there any doubt about which house they prefer when making this or that state decision?
        It is at this level that we need to talk about patriotism, or rather, the betrayal of the national elites by the interests of their peoples. Do not take aside. Ordinary Russians and Ukrainians are one nation and differ only in that we were crushed and will continue to be pressed, while Ukrainians were also fooled by fascist ideology.
      2. Fan-fan 22 January 2020 11: 56 New
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        Among my friends there are cheers-patriots, even among colleagues at work, and they don’t get paid for it.
        Hurray-patriot, in my opinion, is a person who does not want to hear and see obvious things, is not interested in anything, he draws news only from TV. And most importantly, the jingoistic patriot identifies power and country, i.e. he has this rule: President = Russia and vice versa Russia = President.
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          So for nothing, did the president fly a fighter? What tenderness was the people tormented by the 90s! Yes, Crimea joined. And no one thought about how the scream would rise, depriving it of our country in the end, the Sevastopol military base and thereby making the US military masters of the Black Sea - undivided! He took that into account! He took into account that this would have been followed, albeit gradually increasing as he became aware, but a huge explosion of popular indignation and discontent of the military, which would have dropped his rating below the baseboard forever and would have made his subsequent election as president impossible. But the oligarchs put Putin on the board at the time, demanding that they rule as long as possible in their interests. What would become of him if he failed the Crimean operation? Not taking advantage of the desire of the Crimeans to return home, to Russia? I don’t even risk assuming. And the fact that he hastily exchanges a corrupt government hostile to his clan for an equally corrupt one, but more in the interests of “friends”, in the eyes of the patriots looks like an answer to the people's dreams of a strong hand.
          But they, cheers, do not dig so deeply, they are not politicians, they are consumers of official propaganda. They don’t understand that Putin is only giving answers to unfavorable situations in which a lack of response will inevitably lead to disaster, and not ahead of them.
  10. Pessimist22 22 January 2020 06: 31 New
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    Patriotism ends where the tax return begins.
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  12. parusnik 22 January 2020 06: 33 New
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    Finally, on January 15 of this year, V.V. Putin drew attention to this and proposed amending the Constitution of Russia on this issue.
    ..... Before that, somehow I didn’t notice ...
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    1. Axel 22 January 2020 12: 17 New
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      That's exactly it. Almost completely coincides with what I see. The only thing I did not understand was where the Armenians were released in the USSR? To Turkey or what?
      1. Professor 22 January 2020 13: 31 New
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        Quote: Axel
        That's exactly it. Almost completely coincides with what I see. The only thing I did not understand was where the Armenians were released in the USSR? To Turkey or what?

        В ArmEric, to Iran, not much to Turkey.

        Quote: solzh
        And from what suddenly these traitors are Russian. I escaped from the country - that means ... I will not write further.

        Stupidity.
        1. Engineer 22 January 2020 15: 12 New
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          You do not know why the original comment disappeared? It was all right, sort of.
          1. Professor 22 January 2020 19: 37 New
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            Quote: Engineer
            You do not know why the original comment disappeared? It was all right, sort of.

            Moderators do not agree with you. My comment diverges from the party line.
            1. Engineer 22 January 2020 19: 38 New
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              Sorry. It was the most constructive and comprehensive.
    2. solzh 22 January 2020 12: 28 New
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      Quote: Professor
      Not true. There are no Russian diasporas in exile. Millions of Russian emigrants dissolve in the first generation. Today, children of Russian emigrants hardly speak Russian and do not marry Russians.

      And from what suddenly these traitors are Russian. I escaped from the country - that means ... I will not write further.
      1. tkoh 22 January 2020 12: 56 New
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        And you are sitting in Russia, but you are not doing anything useful for the country. It turns out that you are even less Russian than they are
        1. solzh 22 January 2020 13: 12 New
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          Quote: tkoh
          And you are sitting in Russia, but you are not doing anything useful for the country

          I live here, work, pay taxes. My friends live here and they also work, pay taxes. Here lived my ancestors who built, worked. Yes, we are not happy with the state of affairs in the country, but we are not going to run away from our country. We love our country as it is. Are we doing anything useful? Well, then you are doing a lot of useful things for Russia. For example, pour dirt and lies on Russia.
          Quote: tkoh
          It turns out that you are even less Russian than they are

          You are already the third in the last year to tell me this. Calm down you all. I'm not Russian. Calm down? Satisfied that you guessed that I'm not Russian?
      2. Karen 23 January 2020 08: 50 New
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        Quote: solzh
        And from what suddenly these traitors are Russian. I escaped from the country - that means ... I will not write further.

        He wrote earlier ... My childhood friends, who now live in the states, are mostly friends there with the Russians there, or rather, with the Slavs ... including the Bulgarians ... And the children of my friends are also like that ...
  14. Smirnov Mikhail 22 January 2020 13: 43 New
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    Not so long ago, one gentleman wrote about fertility, now another about patriotism. What is the main message of the author? You must sacrifice everything that you have (even your life, if necessary) for the sake of your Fatherland. The second message is to donate “in spite of natural and artificial, man-made shortcomings, difficulties, sometimes deprivations (difficult, and in some places very harsh climates; labor, housing and domestic inconveniences sometimes; not always kind and considerate, and sometimes just cruel attitude of the authorities and officials to the needs of ordinary people; injustice sometimes in wages, other absurdities and inconveniences of Russian life). " These are true patriots, “they don’t go anywhere, they don’t run, but they live and work in their own country and for their sake they are ready for hardships, difficulties and even death in the midst of the defense of the Motherland.” And this is good, because "recently, some began to make patriotism dependent on the number of banknotes, this is completely wrong: patriotism for money is not patriotism."

    What is alarming? The alarming resource is published on which the call is published. Which is read by ordinary people, crushed by tough requisitions, and to which emigration is generally not affordable. Why dissuade those who are not able to leave?

    The modern market economy turns everything that it can reach into a commodity. Marketability here is a means of joining the market, as the exchange of some values ​​for others. And first of all, this is an exchange of some values ​​for material goods (livelihoods). For example, the exchange of his ability to work for food (its monetary equivalent). Sacrifice is a gift, not an exchange. That is, the reader to whom this opus is addressed must give everything that he has (even life, if necessary) to his Fatherland, despite the whole list of negativity. However, a compromise is read between the lines that the Homeland is simply a priority partner. That is, one to which discounts are made during the exchange, and which is considered first of all. And if there are two suggestions whether to sell yourself over a hill is expensive or the RF is cheap, then the reader should choose the second option (which would also be a “patriotic” act). But this does not alleviate cautiousness, because the reader still has nothing to leave for (who has something to do, they sell themselves dearly). Moreover, the reader, crushed by requisitions, has nothing to sacrifice except for his life; he really has nothing more. Why then "wash the brain" with an article? Or is there anyway?

    A large scientist can sell himself dearly; there is a demand in the world. And he can ask, and ask necessarily, what is the benefit of selling himself for a penny? Here it is to him to wash his brain on the subject of patriotism, it seems, with his hand, because this is the homeland. Here the whole nation, which the author mentioned, was sold cheaply, pumped up by patriotism. Suddenly, and the scientist will buy? She will exchange her talents for sweet songs about the Motherland and patriotism, despite the cruelty of the authorities and officials (gentlemen), labor and housing inconvenience, bestiality of compatriots (which the author bashfully not mentioned) and other abominations of life. But not for those who have something to sell, a call is made. It is addressed to those for whom there is no demand beyond the hill, because there are enough of their own. What for?
  15. Po-tzan 22 January 2020 16: 28 New
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    It is only a pity that the mood of most Russians (judging by the communication on the RuNet) towards us has changed a lot.


    Not true - you are respected heroes! Your role was to perish, covering up the Crimea and you coped with the task. Your self-sacrifice will never be forgotten!
  16. Madness 22 January 2020 17: 54 New
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    Many foreign trials and difficulties await Russian foreigners in a foreign land. But the biggest, hardest and sometimes terrible test for many is nostalgia.

    According to forum users from Israel, this is very much felt, although they are swaggering and trying to belittle their former homeland .... wink
    Yes, and on other sites it is felt .. Who was born in Russia, it will pull him there anyway, even if the most rotten thief, Russophobe, etc.
    Russophobia is the simplest, easiest, affordable and cheapest way to get and establish oneself in the West. The more Russophobia, the more favorable they are there, the better for them

    And this has already become a business at the level of income comparable to the trade in world arms and prostitution ..
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  18. Vladimir Mashkov 22 January 2020 20: 49 New
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    Quote: polar fox
    Quote: samarin1969
    "Ovechkin, Malkin, Medvedev, as well as Kasparov, Chichvarkin, Babchenko, Serebryakov, Maksakova, Loiko, Pozner, Makarevich, Basilashvili, Akhedzhakova, Panin, Lisa Peskova ..." - and why remember them? Russian in spirit among them did not notice.

    so the author drowns because they (in his opinion) are true patriots!

    You do not understand correctly. I read and marvel at the incomprehension of some: how can one live in a country not to know and not to understand much, sometimes obvious?
  19. eklmn 23 January 2020 01: 42 New
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    Dear author Vladimir Mashkov,
    tell me - A.S. Pushkin, who considered himself Russian, in your opinion, to which category of patriots does he belong? He loved / scolded Russia, scolded the authorities (wrote sarcastic poems about the tsar and courtiers), wanted to leave Russia, but was “not allowed to travel abroad”. What do you think, was Pushkin a patriot? Or not?
    Why did I ask your opinion, because Pushkin has the phrase "I myself may hate my country to the core, but when foreigners (emigrants) start scolding it, I feel insulted."
    Therefore, the question for you is - can a patriot scold / criticize his country? What about the leaders?
    What about bureaucrats? And to what level? And if it is prohibited by law, then what?
    1. Vladimir Mashkov 23 January 2020 17: 33 New
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      Dear eklmn!
      Judging by your profile, rating and comments, you are not a stupid person, but VERY peculiar, stubborn and critical to Russia, Russian society, this site and its inhabitants. Apparently some opposition dissident. Russian or foreign. Maybe just a troll.

      You, of course, EVERYTHING is clear from the article. But I wanted to mock, troll an unknown person. Well, I will answer.

      Alexander Sergeevich was, of course, a true patriot of Russia. But he was VERY prone to moods, passions and impulses. He could (and often did) utter rashly and in a bad mood a lot of things that he repented later and did not correspond to him. To this, I think, applies the first part of the TRUE phrase from his letter to Vyazemsky on May 27, 1826, the proposed version of which you suggested to me to discuss.

      And true patriots to criticize (but not to quibble, scold, scold, ridicule) not only can, but also MUST. In an adequate form, adequate ways and methods in accordance with Russian laws. Reasonably, with concrete examples of flaws, SMART suggestions for improving things. But not his country, but the authorities, specific violators on the basis of actual facts and documents, and not speculation, rumors and assumptions. LEGAL in the way and on the basis of laws !. And if it is prohibited by law - to seek (lawfully!) A change in the law. Otherwise, YOU are a criminal offender.
      1. eklmn 24 January 2020 04: 29 New
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        “... you are not a stupid person, but VERY peculiar, stubborn and critical of Russia, Russian society, this site and its inhabitants”
        Dear author Vladimir Mashkov,
        I am really critical of Russia, but not of the “horizontal”, but of the “vertical”, which from above looks at the “horizontal” as a source of noise, some unclear requirements and hinders a quiet life;
        I am really critical of Russian society, which cannot give up for itself, defend itself, and is waiting for a decision by One and Only One person like 150 years ago!
        Example? Yes, even with a constitutional change! All together FOR! And no one bothered to ask, “Why?”, “Do we, citizens, need this change?”
        “But true patriots can not only criticize (but don’t quibble, scold, scold, ridicule), but they MUST.”
        Indeed, I live in a society where most people are critical of officials at any level and can “scold, scold, ridicule and find fault”, and all because all officials (EVERYTHING!) Belong to PR
        class of people (Public Relations), and according to the law they can be “scolded, scolded, ridiculed and quibbled” and they knew what they were going to. If they do not like, then they have two choices - to quit or sue their grandmothers.
        “... But not their country, but the authorities, specific violators on the basis of actual facts and documents, ....”
        Dear Vladimir, you live in a country where everything is in plain sight and you know very well that no one will ever present “real facts and documents” to you! If for publishing a photo of a huge hole in the asphalt, the author’s roads are held accountable!
        “And if the law prohibits - to seek (lawfully!) A change in the law. Otherwise, YOU are a criminal offender. ”
        But before you change something, you need to get together and discuss “this is something” and “what it is something to change”, and where is the guarantee that they will not be arrested for discussion, even if the deputy’s lawful (!) Meeting with interpreted by their electors as an unauthorized rally!
        I do not quibble, I take facts from Russian sources.
        By the way - maybe you know a way how you can discuss changing the law without going to rallies / meetings / not speaking out opinions on social networks?
        And how do you think the “vertical” will react to the possibility of “holding a meeting on changing the Constitution by the president”? You yourself are not funny to imagine this? Or scary?
        Yes, I live in a society where you can ask any questions to any official, and this habit of asking critical questions leads to an inadequate reaction of readers of the site, and the authors too.
        And why shouldn't the country be asked difficult questions? It seems to me because there will be no answer, because need to answer the truth. A "vertical" is it necessary?
        “But I wanted to mock, troll an unknown person. ”
        That's because my questions are difficult and require an honest answer, do you call me a “troll, a mocker”?
        By the way, if you are an AUTHOR, then you cannot be Unknown by definition.
        And I apologize for the inaccurate quote by A.S. Pushkin - I was too lazy to check. I want to thank you for the answer - not many authors answered my remarks!
        All the best..!
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        2. Vladimir Mashkov 24 January 2020 16: 27 New
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          Dear eklmn!
          I read your disheveled messy commentary in which you threw out a bunch of claims, which you need to answer in detail for a week. I will answer in short, only on the main claims.

          I wrote about the rulers and officials in the article (a few words, the truth). Why did you miss this? In general, they are different. You need to treat them differently depending on their actions.

          About Putin (do you mean him?). He, of course, has flaws (he is just like you and me). But he is a patriot of Russia, who saved her from decay and enslavement forever. In addition, he is the No. 1 politician in the world to whom ALL heads of state of the whole world listen. And why are his proposals always accepted? Because he offers what the MOST asks, wants and demands: it is ripe.

          By the way, there will be a discussion of amendments to the Constitution. If you want to participate - think over, articulate and propose at the meeting. If they are reasonable - they will be accepted and sent above.

          And if you do not agree with something, act according to the law!

          Another thing is the execution of the intended. It is traditionally lame, not everything is done. In general, in Russia, as in all other countries of the world, there are many shortcomings. Believe me, there is not a single country in the world where there are no shortcomings. Each country has its own.

          I understand why people don’t really want to communicate with you: you probably make such a bunch of chaotic, biased, ridiculous and incorrect claims that no one wants to even answer you, they just make dislikes in silence.

          About the fact that my avatar and nickname are strangers. The reason is simple: I live where, for what I write or say, they don’t put dislikes, they don’t ban, they just plant or kill.

          In conclusion, I want to recall the words of Paracelsus: "Everything is poison and everything is medicine. It is all about the dose."

          I wish you to calm down, to find balance and to begin to live QUIETLY. All the best to you!
          1. eklmn 24 January 2020 18: 05 New
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            “I wish you to calm down, find balance and begin to live a QUIET. All the best to you!”
            Amazing coincidence! And my wife tells me the same thing!
            I’m glad that you sincerely believe in Putin’s exclusivity (“politics number 1 in the world” is your words), but if the Russians ever become disappointed in him, you will cheer him up!
            “By the way, there will be a discussion of constitutional amendments.”
            There is an article on the Russian Air Force website:
            ““ Nationwide vote ”on the Constitution - before Putin’s signature or after?”
            “... Further it will be considered by the parliaments of the constituent entities of the federation, sign, and put to the all-Russian vote. "
            From the word "sign"only one conclusion could be made - the bill as amended by the Constitution even before the popular vote will subscribed by president Putin. At the same time, Putin himself proposed to conduct a vote during his message - according to him, the opinion of citizens on this issue "should be decisive."
            https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-51230534
            As in the famous song “Soviet circus of all circuses ...”
            And all the best to you ....
      2. iouris 24 January 2020 14: 13 New
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        Mr. Mashkov, do you have a document certifying the existence of "true patriotism"? No? Bye.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov 24 January 2020 14: 44 New
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          Mr. Ioris
          if you mean by “document certifying the presence of true patriotism” a Russian passport, then so far I do not have it. Only you (I don’t know by thought or intentionally), if you consider citizenship and the presence of a passport as patriotism, then you are VERY badly mistaken. Patriotism is not a citizenship or passport. Not everyone with a Russian passport and citizenship is a patriot. Patriotism is the sum of patriotic education + the sum of patriotic views + willingness to act and sacrifice for the sake of the motherland. (Especially for you: TOTALLY free). But the documents "on patriotism" do not exist. In addition to the awards (and even then not always).
          It is a pity that after reading the article you did not understand ANYTHING. Or maybe they understood everything, and therefore get angry ..
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            1. Vladimir Mashkov 24 January 2020 19: 07 New
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              Although you don’t admit, I recognize GCD by fake pathos! love laughing
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    Severe reflections. And useless. All is clear. There is no third. And there is nothing to spread the fog.