Palm oil for military equipment: instead of India, Malaysia can take it to Russia

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Thousands of tons of palm oil from Malaysia lingered in the ports of India. The Indian government plans to restrict the import of the product. It is possible that instead of India, palm oil will be taken to Russia.

As you know, the largest suppliers of palm oil in the modern world are Malaysia and Indonesia. In India, palm oil imported from these countries is still used. Imports accounted for up to 80% of the total palm oil used in the food and cosmetic industries. But in the end, the country's leadership decided to support its own producers and from January 8 decided to limit the import of palm oil.



As a result, ships with 30 thousand tons of Malaysian and Indonesian palm oil were detained in Calcutta and Mangalore. Dealers claim that palm oil cargo ships sailed to India even before the government decided to restrict imports, so India is obliged to accept them.

For Malaysian suppliers of palm oil, the loss of the Indian market, or even a massive reduction in its presence, can have very dire consequences. Indeed, for a long time, a huge country with a billion people was the main market for palm oil from Malaysia. Now companies - producers of such oil will have to urgently look for alternatives. And this is not so simple, given that, for example, the export of palm oil to European countries is complicated by the decision of the European Parliament. But Russia remains as an alternative.

As you know, Malaysia has long shown interest in Russian weapons. Back in 1994, the Malaysian Air Force began to order military aircraft from Russia, which allowed our country to squeeze the United States a little, before that it was considered the main supplier weapons to this asian country.

In the spring of 2019, the Minister of Commodity Industries of Malaysia, Teresa Kok, announced that her country would explore the possibility of paying for supplies of Russian weapons with palm oil. The Malaysian Minister believes that this decision will help Malaysia save foreign exchange reserves and save jobs on plantations and enterprises. Of course, against the background of the refusal of Europe, and now India, from the supply of palm oil, the idea of ​​exporting it to Russia in exchange for the products of our military industry becomes even more convincing for the Malaysian authorities.


Malaysia has always tried to pay for its weapons supplied with its own products, primarily agricultural. But after the decision of the European Parliament in Kuala Lumpur, it was understood that paying with palm oil would be problematic with European countries. After this, a turn towards Russia followed. By the way, the same last spring, Russian media reported that our country was ready to sell the Su-35, Su-30SM, and MiG-35 fighters to Malaysia. But officially, there was no talk of payment in the form of palm oil.

Currently, the Royal Malaysian Royal Air Force is armed with 28 Russian-made aircraft - 18 Su-30MKM and 10 MiG-29. But, as the head of the Malaysian military department Mohamad Sabu admitted in the summer of 2019, only four cars can fly into the air from them. At the same time, the Malaysian Air Force command does not intend to renew the fleet until 2030, but they expect that Russia will be able to exchange failed planes for new aircrafts, provided that Malaysia "thanks" with palm oil.

By the way, not only military aircraft can acquire Malaysia. In November 2019, Malaysian Prime Minister Mohamad Mahathir threatened EU countries that, for his refusal to buy palm oil, Kuala Lumpur could, in turn, refuse to buy Airbus aircraft, which now make up one third of Malaysia Airlines' fleet, the country's largest air carrier. At the same time, Mahathir emphasized that Malaysia can buy civilian aircraft from Russia.

Now the Russian Federation shares the Malaysian arms market with the United States. But if Moscow agrees to the exchange of military equipment for palm oil, then its position will significantly strengthen. The only question is how equivalent this exchange is, given that many countries prefer to limit the use of palm oil as much as possible, at least in the food industry.

A similar situation, by the way, is developing with Indonesia. This country has also suffered from restrictions on palm oil exports to Europe and India. And she, too, intends to acquire Russian weapons, paying for it with a natural product. So, Indonesia has signed a contract for the supply of 11 Su-35 aircraft. And this, apparently, is not the last deal, but the whole question: how to pay for deliveries taking into account threats from Washington with the CAATSA sanction package.
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  1. +13
    21 January 2020 18: 02
    God forbid such a barter! am
    1. +15
      21 January 2020 18: 05
      They galloped over Iraq, bombed by "partners". If there was the program "Oil in exchange for food", then here it is much more sophisticated - poison for weapons. Malaysia's "Jump for Freedom and Independence" is offered to poor Russians, consumers of SZMZh products.
      1. -26
        21 January 2020 18: 22
        Quote: lexus
        then it’s much more sophisticated - poison for weapons

        Can you prove that palm oil is bad?
        1. +24
          21 January 2020 19: 03
          Why do I need to prove this to you? I buy cheese, cottage cheese and further on the list and I want them to be from cow's milk (you can, someone like it, and from sheep’s, goat’s, etc.), and not from the tank for technical transportation, it’s not known what.
          1. -10
            21 January 2020 19: 10
            Quote: NordUral
            Why do I need to prove this to you? I buy cheese, cottage cheese and further on the list and I want them to be from cow's milk

            Eugene, I am a natural cottage cheese and cheese and butter, I distinguish from those to which a substitute is added Yes And by the way, they now legally lie on separate shelves! And to the heap, I almost always buy from those manufacturers that I know! And they have a taste, well, your gang certainly will not believe in unison, just like in the USSR Yes
            What problems do you have? Do you want? So buy hi
            1. +4
              21 January 2020 19: 14
              The gang, Edik, is with those upstairs. And glad for you, you're a lucky person, Ed. But here the people as a whole are not very lucky.
              And the second - they do not add substitutes, they replace 100%.
              1. -10
                21 January 2020 19: 20
                Quote: NordUral
                But here the people as a whole are not very lucky.

                It’s time for you to understand in your old age! Lucky for those who are lucky!
                1. +7
                  21 January 2020 19: 23
                  Where do we understand the usefulness of a technical palm for our stomachs?
                  Lucky for those who are lucky!
                  palm tree to Russia.
            2. -1
              21 January 2020 21: 07
              Quote: Edik
              And to the heap, I almost always buy from those manufacturers whom I know!

              not advertising ... But. I really like the products "Lady from Korenevka"! It seems to me that the milk is one of the best, the cat drinks milk with pleasure. Dog kefir ... And you can't fool them. Tasters!
        2. +3
          21 January 2020 19: 33
          Today there was already an article about agriculture. If you really need to kill this industry completely, then a deal with palm oil is the best way.
        3. +1
          23 January 2020 16: 23
          Palm oil, the one that is supplied (the cheapest, otherwise its use is unprofitable), is hydrogenated oil, in which, in fact, there is nothing of the nutrients. And "pervach" - yes, there are vitamins (like extra virgin olive), but it is expensive enough to replace conventional vegetable fats. "Our" surrogate, except for increasing cholesterol, is no longer suitable for anything else. But there is an even cheaper - a technical version of this product, and God only knows if someone is not using it either. And then some of our "businessmen", they are ...
      2. +12
        21 January 2020 18: 33
        Quote: lexus
        SZMZH

        Palm oil is shoved in almost all confectionery products. This is some kind of horror. It is impossible for children to find sweets without this muck. Well ... and they poison our children, I suppose they don’t eat it.
        1. +7
          21 January 2020 19: 00
          probably
          absolutely superfluous, and it’s a pity, it would be necessary to legally force them to eat everything where this poison is used.
          1. +3
            21 January 2020 21: 11
            Quote: NordUral
            probably
            absolutely superfluous, and it’s a pity, it would be necessary to legally force them to eat everything where this poison is used.

            need to get THEM to eat pasta with palm oil wassat
        2. -10
          21 January 2020 19: 36
          In the USSR, this palm oil was shoved everywhere, and everyone is alive and well.
          1. +3
            21 January 2020 20: 07
            In the USSR, one batch of palm oil was delivered on account of the payment of the debt, it was decided to distribute it to several confectionery factories; a batch of one-time confectioners was used to make the glaze to unset quality.
            1. -6
              21 January 2020 23: 09
              Yes Yes Yes))))
              https://narzur.ru/import-palmovogo-masla-v-sssr-i-rf/
              And still so confidently lying wassat
        3. +3
          21 January 2020 20: 44
          Quote: kjhg
          Palm oil is shoved in almost all confectionery

          the fact is that palm oil is not alone harmful, it is like the first and fourth class of wheat. One is forage, but both are wheat. This, of course, does not negate the fact that the "food industry" takes cheap poison and shoves it into everything that is, but after all, it was our government that canceled the Gost and introduced TUs that are developed by any manufacturer
          1. +5
            21 January 2020 20: 50
            Quote: Sandor Clegane
            our government canceled the guests and introduced the specifications that are developed by any manufacturer

            There is no law for the capitalist that he would not violate for profit.
        4. 0
          22 January 2020 06: 24
          Quote: kjhg
          Quote: lexus
          SZMZH

          Palm oil is shoved in almost all confectionery products. This is some kind of horror. It is impossible for children to find sweets without this muck. Well ... and they poison our children, I suppose they don’t eat it.

          How do you know where it is? You have to read the composition. It lengthens the shelf life. The longer the shelf life - for example, weather, year, then it is there. For example baby "" Barney bear ""
          If the composition says "" sunflower oil "" ---- it is, and if they write --- "" vegetable oil "" ----- means palm
          1. 0
            22 January 2020 11: 18
            If the composition says "" sunflower oil "" ---- it is, and if they write --- "" vegetable oil "" ----- means palm

            why palm?
            rapeseed, soybean, sunflower, flaxseed and a dozen more. What does olive oil have to do with oil (horror!)
        5. -1
          22 January 2020 11: 16
          It is impossible for children to find sweets without this muck. Well ... and they poison our children, I suppose they don’t eat it.

          poison your kids with sweets less. And then one here screamed about palm oil, and he buys Coke for children
          1. -2
            22 January 2020 11: 34
            Quote: Ka-52
            poison your kids with sweets less.

            Listen, wise guy, you yourself didn’t want sweets in your childhood? Now I don’t eat them at all, but in childhood every day I was expecting my mother to bring sweets for us after work. And sweets then, in Soviet times, in their composition were not a couple of the current. And I understand today's children very well. Although I try to buy less nasty sweets for them.
            Quote: Ka-52
            And then one here screamed about palm oil, and he buys Coke for children

            Children are not to blame for the fact that the current oligarchic government decided to bait them with children's food for the sake of making more profit. But he doesn’t drink Coke. I once showed him in YouTube how a cola dissolves rust and dirt, and after that they seemed to whisper it.
            1. 0
              22 January 2020 12: 33
              Listen, wise guy ....?

              in this manner, communicate with your friends on vocational schools.
              in childhood, every day I expected my mother to bring sweets for us after work

              if you think that in the USSR all products were exceptionally safe for health, this means that you only use common stamps and do not have your own knowledge or your own opinion (which is one margarine)
              the current oligarchic government decided to hunt them down

              you would say that all your stuffing is just for the sake of political transparency about the oligarchs and the blablab .... I don’t like the oligarchic power - move to North Korea. There socialism is still there.
              ps buy marmalade from trusted manufacturers. In fact, there should not be any fats except pectin, sugar and food coloring. And don't throw a tantrum
              1. +1
                22 January 2020 13: 05
                You are told in Russian that palm oil is bad .. and you yourself understand that ..
                But here you breed some kind of demagogy as an excuse, and teach someone to drink or not to drink Coke ..
                A man buys a Coke, knowing that it is made from Coke .. and not from palm oil .. this is his choice !!
                And the fact that he cannot find normal candies for children is also a completely obvious and fair remark ..
                Well, about who is to blame .. he did not lie about the oligarchs, but wrote the truth ..
                So do not teach people how to "poison their children less", do not advise them where to move to live, and immediately you yourself will stop complaining about the manner of communication ..
                1. 0
                  23 January 2020 05: 28
                  You are told in Russian that palm oil is bad .. and you yourself understand that ..

                  they speak Russian to you:
                  1. Any product is "good" or "bad" depending on the concentration or duration of use (accumulated effect)
                  2. Among food products there are many ingredients that are many times more dangerous than palm oil. But there are no crowds of bawlers splashing saliva, shouting "Margarine is teeming with trans fats!", "Down with chicken stuffed with hormones and antibiotics!" "Ban mayonnaise and chicken eggs, cholesterol from which killed more people on the planet than Hitler!" And so on.
                  But here you breed some kind of demagogy as an excuse, and teach someone to drink or not to drink Coke ..
                  A man buys a Coke, knowing that it is made from Coke .. and not from palm oil .. this is his choice !!

                  it’s not the weapon that is guilty, but the man pulling the trigger. It’s not the palm oil that is to blame, but the manufacturers who create counterfeit products. The legislation of the Russian Federation clearly defines that the composition of products should be indicated on the label (GOST R 51074-2003) and how products with milk fat substitutes should be sold (etc. Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation No. 2098 and Rospotrebnadzor No. 368 of 18.06.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX). If the manufacturer and / or seller violate these requirements, then their activity already falls under the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation, the Civil Code and the Criminal Code. There are now dozens of types of the same products on the shelves. Read labels, choose manufacturers you can trust. And there is no need to arrange tantrums about the lack of choice
                  And the fact that he cannot find normal candies for children is also a completely obvious and fair remark ..

                  unfounded lies. A week ago I bought chocolate and met the composition on the label: "vegetable fats", put it aside and bought a chocolate bar, where it was written "milk fats". Whether the manufacturer is deceiving or not, whether it is counterfeit or not is a separate issue that lies in sight legal system. And palm oil has nothing to do with it - there will be no palm oil, there is rapeseed. Which is no better and no worse than palm and just as common in the form of a substitute. Where are your cries for banning rapeseed ?!
                  Well, about who is to blame .. he did not lie about the oligarchs, but wrote the truth ..
                  So do not teach people how to "poison their children less", do not advise them where to move to live, and immediately you yourself will stop complaining about the manner of communication ..

                  Turn on your head (or what do you usually use when writing this) - it may be understood (as I doubt it) that the power of almost the majority of the countries of the world is oligarchic capitalism. Business directly or through lobbying for its interests in the legislative and executive branches of government governs the lives of citizens. Therefore, I write clearly: you don’t like the oligarchs - you probably need a road to the only country in the world where there is no capitalism / imperialism and where socialist egalitarianism still rules. You will grow rice and eat it. No fat laughing
                  1. +1
                    23 January 2020 15: 22
                    But there are no crowds of bawlers splashing saliva, shouting "Margarine is teeming with trans fats!", "Down with chicken stuffed with hormones and antibiotics!"

                    And what, is everyone happy with such chickens ?? Yes, there are no rallies along the streets .. but very few people like it .. Just like we are here "quietly" rubbing about margarine / butter .. And I don't see those who are particularly satisfied with this ..

                    Among foods, a lot of ingredients that are many times more dangerous than palm oil
                    It’s not even a danger .. maybe it’s not poison at all .. But it’s certainly not MILK ..
                    And when some kind of preservative is added so that it does not rot in 2 hours - this is one thing .. And when instead of milk some kind of stupid who has nothing to do with a cow is stupid - then this is another ..
                    I don’t even understand what you want to prove .. that you like to eat this muck ?? Or that she is not so and disgusting ?? Or is it economically viable ?? I won’t let you know what you can argue about at all ..))
                    About legislation, why?
                    So that the child, chewing these sweets, knows that everything is legal ??

                    A week ago I bought chocolate and met the composition on the label: "vegetable fats", put it aside and bought a chocolate bar, where it was written "milk fats".
                    You see how competent you are .. you are upholding something here, but you refuse to digest it yourself ..

                    the power of almost the majority of the countries of the world is oligarchic capitalism.

                    Turn on your head (or what do you usually use when writing this) - maybe you will understand (what I doubt) that it is on this score that human discontent is expressed ..

                    Therefore, I write clearly: I do not like the oligarchs
                    Well, you, as we see, like them ..))
      3. +9
        21 January 2020 20: 32
        It is poisoned by our business dodgers who transport oil in tanks and tankers from oil and other rubbish, while other dodgers shove technical oil into food products. Third villains from Rospotrebnadzor with a clear conscience overlook all this madness uncontrollably. Can you fix us?
    2. +8
      21 January 2020 18: 15
      Well, in the neighboring (and the main opponent of Malaysia at the same time) - Indonesia hung Su-35. They pay 50% with money - 50% originally planned with oil, but they stalled just on sale because Europe banned the oil, and initially they simply wanted to resell the palm tree to the market under the deal. Now they are trying to form similarly with spices (or spices + palm) in the commodity share of the transaction - but there are even fewer people who want to subscribe for spices. For there is mainly garbage cloves, etc. Which on the market is higher than the roof, and storage is not very.
    3. -1
      21 January 2020 20: 07
      So long ago the news that agreed
  2. -3
    21 January 2020 18: 06
    Well, what if you can pay money to banderlogs for non-existent transit, then why you can’t sell high-tech products for a palm tree, because this poison will not be eaten by those who signed such agreements
  3. +5
    21 January 2020 18: 06
    Quote: gurzuf
    God forbid such a barter! am

    I agree, but they will not ask our opinion .... hi
    1. +4
      21 January 2020 18: 10
      So I'm not to them ... I'm to God wink
  4. +5
    21 January 2020 18: 10
    The question is of course interesting! But palm oil is not the "product" that you want to have everywhere ... and our "responsible business" will shove this ... substance everywhere and everywhere. Unfortunately, only a complete optimist can call him responsible.
    1. 0
      22 January 2020 06: 29
      Well yes!
      Quote: rocket757
      The question is of course interesting! But palm oil is not the "product" that you want to have everywhere ... and our "responsible business" will shove this ... substance everywhere and everywhere. Unfortunately, only a complete optimist can call him responsible.

      Less and less often on the composition of the ingredients is the inscription ---- sunflower oil. For the most part, vegetable, which means Palm butter.
      Greetings hi Vmktor!
      1. +1
        22 January 2020 07: 10
        Greetings Dmitry soldier
        With products, everything is complicated ... not because there are no good ones, because we ourselves do not want / cannot resist it. It's like that everywhere! Natural products, as it were, for the elite, and "high technology" products in the food industry, for mass demand.
        The health of the nation does not improve it!
        1. 0
          22 January 2020 07: 25
          Victor, I wrote there a little higher how to distinguish products with and without a palm tree.
          As for natural products for the chosen ones ----- I assure you, "" not everything is so simple "" wassat laughing
          It is worth looking at the expensive products in our chain stores (which is more expensive) .Also at the volumes and faces of some of the top ones. For many of them, the manufacturer is primarily important. In general, not everyone thinks about the composition of the products, but I have to. request
          1. +1
            22 January 2020 07: 55
            Quote: Reptiloid
            As for natural products for the chosen ones ----- I assure you, "" not everything is so simple ""

            "as if the chosen ones" - if in the village you find purely natural products available to everyone ... by the way, people are "lazy", not everyone grows everything they need! then a city dweller is sharply limited in such opportunities, because in the market, grandmothers can also have products of varying degrees of "pollution" with all sorts of rubbish.
            1. 0
              22 January 2020 08: 27
              Quote: rocket757
              ..... "as if the chosen ones" - if in the village you find purely natural products available to everyone ... by the way, people are "lazy", not everyone grows everything they need! then a city dweller is sharply limited in such opportunities, because in the market, grandmothers can also have products of varying degrees of "pollution" with all sorts of rubbish.
              Well yes! Granny sells, and who raised how? Moreover, in our city, for example, where and how can you grow green crops all year round? It’s just that parsley doesn’t grow by itself. request Firs.
              1. +1
                22 January 2020 08: 55
                Quote: Reptiloid
                How can you grow green crops all year round?

                And on the windowsill? A bulb in a glass has always been grown. Natur product!
                1. 0
                  22 January 2020 09: 14
                  Quote: rocket757
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  How can you grow green crops all year round?

                  And on the windowsill? A bulb in a glass has always been grown. Natur product!
                  Well yes! That's just it for your family. And to earn in this way is specifically impossible. Even the road to the market will not pay off
                  1. +1
                    22 January 2020 09: 32
                    This is clear. In order to pay off at once, they are trying to grow other "greens" ... not on the windowsills, of course!
                    1. +1
                      22 January 2020 10: 35
                      Yes, you need to grow a money tree wassat
                      Just do not forget about Pinocchio fool
                      1. +1
                        22 January 2020 10: 38
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Yes, you need to grow a money tree wassat
                        Just do not forget about Pinocchio fool

                        Pinocchio is okay, there you have to remember about the Criminal Code!
                      2. +1
                        22 January 2020 20: 52
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        Yes, you need to grow a money tree wassat
                        Just do not forget about Pinocchio fool

                        Pinocchio is okay, there you have to remember about the Criminal Code!

                        Well, I don’t know, I don’t know ... Let him remember those who want to drink a bottle of alcohol without paying
                      3. +1
                        22 January 2020 21: 03
                        Not an option. It’s always better to remember, otherwise the guys come in caps with cockades and remind you specifically for a different period.
                      4. 0
                        22 January 2020 22: 29
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Not an option. It’s always better to remember, otherwise the guys come in caps with cockades and remind you specifically for a different period.

                        It happens that way, but it happens that they can’t rise to heights.
                        ..
  5. -2
    21 January 2020 18: 18
    Grandmothers, brought to the last line, having no opportunity to take revenge otherwise, are now setting in the churches of the king’s servants and their children CANDLES FOR THE BURNING alive.
    The tsar has not yet been touched.
    They say, and suddenly it will help.
    Maybe it will help if massively .... Once the Japanese helped.
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    1. +6
      21 January 2020 18: 57
      Palm oil is different - the fact that it is imported into Russia is technical, it certainly cannot be of any use in body milk for confectionery.
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          21 January 2020 20: 16
          Palm oil, instead of money, is what aviation development needs. And, what is new in aircraft construction! Grease the fuselage of an old car with oil, it will be better to fly! fellow
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      2. 0
        21 January 2020 19: 20
        I agree, Vadim! Rarely, but we are on the same side.
      3. 0
        21 January 2020 19: 39
        How do you know what they carry ???
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    3. +2
      21 January 2020 20: 24
      Quote: Uhu
      And probably no worse than dietary sesame and linseed, which greens buy for crazy money in "environmentally friendly" vegan stores
      How to say. Palm oil contains saturated fatty acids that increase cholesterol. And this is only in itself. And if it is hydrogenated (so that it would be more technologically more efficient to store and add to products), then it generally forms trans fats, which are forbidden in civilized countries according to the results of scientific research.
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  7. +6
    21 January 2020 18: 19
    In general, for palm oil, the technical regulation of the Customs Union has already entered into product safety at least in Russia, if I’m not mistaken. In Kazakhstan, they are more liberal if they adopt the regulations, then many manufacturers will be bent, honestly I don’t mind. if not relatives, then you can buy skipped milk on a separator with the addition of milk powder and a little cream, for fat content.
    Although the neighbors also sin with palm oil, if from the north the products are for the Kazakhstan market and Kyrgyzstan.
    So, at the request of relatives in the spring, I’ll start a goat and a couple of lamb laughing , the cow, there is no room for grazing, already the fields are all built up nearby.
    1. +2
      21 January 2020 20: 18
      Quote: marshes
      already the fields are all built up nearby.

      and we have plowed up to the village ... everything is sown with sunflower ...
      1. +1
        21 January 2020 20: 24
        Quote: polar fox
        and we have plowed up to the village ... everything is sown with sunflower ...

        At least something is being planted in our suburbs, all land sold has been redesigned, and houses are standing, although irrigated land in Kazakhstan is very valuable.
        Look where the plane we rolled out of the airport in general, there is agricultural land according to the documents, but in fact the village has already been built.
  8. +5
    21 January 2020 18: 27
    Now the Russian Federation shares the Malaysian arms market with the United States.


    No, even if you take the Air Force - then yes 8 Hornets. But according to a very tricky program. And the additional ones so far again rested in payment (although this or the previous Air Force commander expressed the desire to buy out 20-28 used Hornets with modernization and close the issue of IFIs to a cheap 5 generation - that is, 15 years).

    At the same time, the latest purchases, for example, the European hit of light cargo transportation S-295. Well, they got into the A-400 starting pool and already received the first order cars.


    If we look at the fleet, then there are two Scorpios and 4 Govindas - that is, France is the best friend.

    If you look at the ground forces, then the parade battalion of Twarda from Poland.

    Sultan's boxes, the main BMP of Malaysia + another purchase in Korea of ​​their used BMP.


    Howitzers in South Africa, and one more fist in the face of Indonesians who want to return 1/3 of Malaysia, Astros from Brazil - modularity up to 300mm and a bunch of different missiles, this is not a joke wink . The foreigners in return immediately bought Astrosov, too. They will shoot.


    In general, there were no special purchases in the United States. And the United States of America, Malaysia does not particularly have. Even in Lebanon, there is now much more American technology in% ratio wink .
  9. -6
    21 January 2020 18: 30
    I think that getting palm oil in exchange for our planes is better than giving the planes honestly to pay them and then forgive billions of dollars in debt ...
    They buy palm oil all the same, it’s better in exchange for equipment than for currency.
  10. +3
    21 January 2020 18: 30
    It is necessary to support the domestic Russian producer of palm oil, especially from the northern regions!
    Well, let Malaysia and Indonesia eat their own palm oil, and ours, those who want to bring it to Russia, should warn us that we’ll pour a pool with this oil and let them swim in it.
    1. +2
      21 January 2020 19: 00
      Almost a million tons of palm oil is imported into Russia every year, this year they are already importing less because customs duties on it have increased by 10%.
      1. +3
        21 January 2020 19: 22
        And how much of this is imported by Western manufacturers of fakfood?
        Nestle alone brings in almost half. So much for the miracle of yoghurts with curds.
        1. -1
          21 January 2020 22: 01
          Riter Sport and Dove - chocolate without palm and other additives verified.
      2. +2
        21 January 2020 19: 33
        Quote: Vadim237
        Almost a million tons of palm oil is imported into Russia every year, this year they are already importing less because customs duties on it have increased by 10%.

        At 7 kg per capita per year? Something too much comes out. It is clear that not everything is food, but the figure is huge.
  11. +1
    21 January 2020 18: 34
    We will no longer have to see cow's milk and dairy products on the shelves. All that the West refuses - everything will tumble down to us so that the power-hungry authorities ate their fill in three sips.
    1. +2
      21 January 2020 18: 55
      Quote: NordUral
      We will no longer have to see cow's milk and dairy products on the shelves.

      Yes, it seems like the law came out on the quality of dairy products .. And in general in the villages I think no one will refuse to keep the cow, just help with feed (subsidies, etc. and there will be fresh milk and sour cream for the city ..
      I grew up on this. Homemade cream, homemade cottage cheese, does anyone remember the real taste here? It’s something men and fashion clothes. The separator is manual and rushed .. Oh, there was a time, and home-made pork fattened on grain and grass .. Marble in the West is just a tinned rubber .... hi
      1. 0
        21 January 2020 19: 05
        Livestock has not long remained globally. In 30 years, everything will be from the factories - where they immediately grow a piece of meat with the desired fat content and size, rather than a pig / cow. These technologies are already there and factory meat can already be bought - as long as there are small shoals in texture / taste + tailor the mass production technologies, cheaper than the farm method.

        However, again, this is a very attractive investment industry and all problems can be solved in less than 10 years. The first one to start growing meat that is identical in taste and texture, while cheaper than farming, will earn hundreds of billions (now they have come up with a new type of reactor, recently there was news that the giant Tyson Foods already bought a decent share there).
        1. +1
          21 January 2020 19: 15
          Quote: donavi49
          Livestock has not long remained globally. In 30 years, everything will be from the factories - where they immediately grow a piece of meat with the desired fat content and size, rather than a pig / cow.

          Will this meat be considered kosher or halal? laughing
          1. 0
            21 January 2020 19: 35
            It depends on which factory.

            Now there are two directions - the creation of emulation of meat from everyone.
            The second, in which they are actively investing, is growing meat in reactors with a special environment. They use high technology, original cells and a solution - well, that is, ideally (until which years, but this is tangible), you can immediately grow 100 kg of marbled beef in a reactor. And it will be real meat.

            There are hybrid technologies - where the first type interferes with the second.
            1. +3
              21 January 2020 19: 40
              Quote: donavi49
              There are hybrid technologies - where the first type interferes with the second.

              And what is grown with a head laughing where it will be possible to bleed.
              By the way, a hunting trophy, if blood is not drawn and this is often done, is no longer considered kosher or halal. laughing
          2. +1
            21 January 2020 19: 47
            Quote: marshes
            Will this meat be considered kosher or halal?

            I feel that soon all of us will be transferred to kosher Bolot .. Judging by the comments ..!
            And we want normal meat and stuff that is fed in the steppes and not on farms, chopped up with rubbish in the stalls ..
            You swamps know the taste of real meat and other things hi
            I was here on the first of January, treated by a comrade under the vodka horsemeat supposedly uncooked dear, I really don’t remember the name .. It was from the soul! hi
            1. +2
              21 January 2020 19: 53
              Quote: Balabol-M
              I feel that soon all of us will be transferred to kosher Bolot .. Judging by the comments ..!

              Well, then there will be two refrigerators and two sets of dishes and kitchen utensils laughing For dairy and separately for meat.
              Quote: Balabol-M
              You swamps know the taste of real meat and other things

              Yes, I know, sometimes we buy sausages, and meat is rarely on the market, I go to relatives once a month.
              1. +1
                21 January 2020 20: 40
                Quote: marshes
                Yes, I know, sometimes we buy sausages, and meat is rarely on the market, I go to relatives once a month.

                Oh envy. good
        2. +1
          21 January 2020 19: 17
          I hope that I will not live up to this happiness, donavi49.
      2. +6
        21 January 2020 19: 07
        I’m on the Petrograd side, I won’t even be able to keep a goat, but I don’t live in the country all year round. And about the good laws - it’s not funny anymore, as well as about the help of these villages. They do not need villages and farmers, but latifundia with slaves
    2. -2
      21 January 2020 19: 43
      Come on, you can buy milk, sour cream and cottage cheese in any village under the city and eat for health. Or grandmothers also sin with palm oil? laughing
  12. -2
    21 January 2020 18: 48
    It is possible that instead of India, palm oil will be taken to Russia.

    The favorite cry of our neoliberals for what year ..
    Shaw again? laughing
    But in the 90s, it was they who were engaged in saturating the Russian market with all kinds of food substitute ..
  13. 0
    21 January 2020 19: 03
    Palm oil? And the beads are no longer in price?
  14. +2
    21 January 2020 19: 51
    There is no need to strengthen the market for our weapons through the disengagement of our organisms. Malaysians, you see, save money, and we must sacrifice our health for the sake of their financial well-being and competition with the States, which in case of loss, the strengthened arms market is unlikely to help. So, not an option.
  15. +2
    21 January 2020 21: 09
    Guns instead of oil.
  16. 0
    21 January 2020 21: 18
    let's buy palm oil in Malaysia and sago in Indonesia and together we will turn back into Papuans. In my opinion, the government already holds us for the Papuans. we’ll say not Bread to the whole head, but - Sago to the whole head, You won’t spoil saga cereal with palm oil, saga pancakes with palm oil, Cheese- Palmyra, saga dumplings with palm oil- a wonderful cookbook turns out wassat
  17. +2
    21 January 2020 21: 47
    Are these planes worth the country choking and sick because of this poison? How can you bring an initially harmful product into the country, and where there is more concern for the health of the population, there will be more losses, and what kind of a deal is this - change the planes for shit, then give them away for free, we don’t need palm oil.
  18. +3
    21 January 2020 23: 02
    Not quite in the subject, but maybe to the very point:

    With such debts (they are mainly dogs of oligarchic structures), we will soon move from palm to industrial.

    481-65 mld. bucks = debts of the oligarchs hung on our necks. And today the guarantor and his prime minister have confirmed that they will continue to play even better.
    1. 0
      23 January 2020 16: 36
      The Russian Federation has a public debt of 50 billion. One of the lowest in Europe.
  19. +1
    22 January 2020 02: 33
    So now lose weight after such "promises"! Earlier, if "wardrobes" were walking on TV, then the first thought was: Americans! And after "some time" what will happen? You will have to sew chevrons with the inscriptions: USA ... Russian?
  20. 0
    22 January 2020 05: 14
    Palm oil for military equipment


    the whole trouble is that Russian officials are changing not for high-quality palm oil, but actually for garbage that can only be used in the technical sphere. And we put it in food.
  21. +1
    22 January 2020 05: 46
    Quote: Edik
    Quote: lexus
    then it’s much more sophisticated - poison for weapons

    Can you prove that palm oil is bad?

    Such oil is not harmful if it is added wisely. Palm oil is just a food supplement. And it’s important to keep the percentage of this supplement.
  22. 0
    22 January 2020 05: 51
    This indicates the danger when a country is densely planted on one type of export.
  23. +1
    22 January 2020 06: 08
    Well, the media has already written that in terms of living standards Russia is at the level of Zimbabwe. There, of course, there are no nuclear weapons and 5 generation fighters, but it seems they are not upset by this.
  24. 0
    22 January 2020 09: 23
    Ban palm oil, ban mayonnaise and margarine.
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  26. +1
    22 January 2020 12: 04
    They want to cram oil in us?
    Let them give territory. We are building a biodiesel plant there. And we sell it to Europe, concerned about the environment.
    We’ll also get profit.
  27. -1
    22 January 2020 12: 11
    Eat the Russian people, do not slap yourself ...
    Putin’s government takes care of you ... buys nutritious oil ... No. recourse request
  28. +2
    22 January 2020 13: 47
    This muck is so full, where else?