Money goes, no results: in Poland, outraged by the investigation into the Smolensk plane crash


On the eve of the 10th anniversary of the crash near Smolensk, the Polish public is demanding a new investigation - already against a government commission that has been studying the circumstances of the crash for ten years.


The Poles had questions already to the Polish investigation itself, namely, to Anthony Matserevich, in 2015-2018. who held the post of Minister of National Defense, and before that he headed the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Poland and the Polish counterintelligence. It was Matserevich who was responsible for investigating all the circumstances of the tragedy in the Smolensk region after the removal of the head of the Ministry of Defense.

Recall that on April 10, 2010, the Tu-154M aircraft crashed in the Smolensk region. The liner belonged to the Polish Air Force and served as the presidential board. There were 96 people on board, including Polish President Lech Kaczynski, his wife Maria Kaczynska, representatives of the highest military command - commander of the ground forces division general Tadeusz Buk, commander of the air force colonel general Andrzej Blasik, commander of the navy vice admiral Andrzej Karveta, commander of the Special divisional general Włodzimierz Potasinsky and a number of other high-ranking troops. Naturally, the most Russophobic-minded part of the Polish establishment immediately appeared that Russia crashed the plane crash.

At one time, Matserevich promised to internationalize the investigation, that is, to attract international commissions to participate in it. However, this has not been done. At the request of Senator Krzysztof Breyza, the Ministry of National Defense responded with a brief reply, after which the politician went to court. And on December 10, the court ordered the military department to provide public information on the progress of the investigation.

However, the international Smolensk Commission, apparently, has not yet been created, although the Polish Ministry of Defense is talking about attracting specialists from universities in the UK and the USA. Deputy Maciej Lazek noted that the experts involved, including Frank Taylor, did not receive the status of full members of the commission, and therefore did not have the appropriate powers and capabilities.

In the summer of 2019, MP Marchin Kervinsky described the activities of the Polish government in investigating a plane crash as a farce for which the Poles paid. The Polish public really has every reason to resent what is happening. The investigation has been going on for ten years, while no clear results have yet been provided, international experts have not been attracted, but the activities of the Polish commission are regularly funded - from the state budget, of course.

Recall that the Polish, Russian, and independent commissions have already investigated the case of the crash of the aircraft and concluded that the plane crashed due to reasons related to the crew’s error caused by the refusal to leave for the alternate aerodrome due to bad weather conditions in the area of ​​the aerodrome Smolensk North. At the same time, based on the decryption of the data of the flight recorders, it was found that in the cockpit there was one of the senior officials who actually exerted pressure on the FAC. Subsequently, a blood test revealed that the official was drunk.

But the famous Russophobe Matserevich does not want to miss the opportunity to blame Russia for the plane crash. Therefore, a second investigation was initiated, which required new funds from the country's budget.

As you know, Matserevich was promoting the version of the explosion on board, although the possibility of an explosion had already been refuted by previous investigations.

As a result, the degree of indignation in Polish society is growing: the Poles are beginning to resent and increasingly ask questions to their authorities, realizing that a long investigation is used by Matserevich and his supporters to gain political points and receive generous funding.

However, many Poles are sure that even a court decision will not affect the ruling party in any way.

Does anyone else mislead that the decision of a court has any meaning for PiS politicians? In this case, he will also be very disappointed,

- writes on one of the Polish sites a commentator under the nickname Piotr Szanson.

Marcin Kervinsky rightly notes that Poland as a result of the commission’s activity received only a continuation of the “hate session” and a gigantic bill paid by simple Poles who form the state budget from their taxes. Therefore, the Polish opposition demands the abolition of the commission, which is incomprehensible for what purpose and expensive for the state.
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  1. GKS 2111 21 January 2020 13: 02 New
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    Recall that and Polish, and Russian, and independent the commissions had already investigated the plane crash case and concluded that the plane crashed due to reasons related to the crew’s error caused by the refusal to leave for the alternate aerodrome due to bad weather conditions near the Smolensk Severny airfield.

    What else do they need?
    1. tihonmarine 21 January 2020 13: 18 New
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      What else do they need?

      And the same as Katyn.
      1. GKS 2111 21 January 2020 13: 27 New
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        And what about Katyn? In the book “Katyn. Lies that became history”, which was published in 2011, its authors, Elena Prudnikova and Ivan Chigirin, tried impartially, based on documents, to sort out one of the most complicated and complicated stories of the last century. And they came to a disappointing - for those who are ready to make Russia repent for this "crime" - conclusion.
        “If the reader remembers the first part (books),” the authors write, in particular, “then the Germans easily determined the ranks of the executed. How? And by the insignia! Both Dr. Butz’s report and some testimonies mention asterisks on the shoulder straps of the slain. But, according to the Soviet regulations on prisoners of war of 1931, they were forbidden to wear insignia. So shoulder straps with stars could not be on the uniforms of prisoners shot by the NKVD in 1940. Capturing insignia was allowed only by the new Regulation adopted on July 1, 1941. It was also permitted by the Geneva Convention. ”

        It was also revealed yet another material evidence published by the Germans themselves that it was impossible to date the execution of Polish prisoners by 1940. And since in July-August 1941 the Soviet law enforcement agencies obviously did not have the need or the technical ability to destroy and bury thousands of Polish prisoners, the obvious was once again confirmed: the Germans themselves shot Polish prisoners no earlier than the fall of 1941.
        hi
        1. tihonmarine 21 January 2020 13: 53 New
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          Quote: GKS 2111
          And since in July-August 1941 the Soviet law enforcement agencies obviously did not have the need or the technical ability to destroy and bury thousands of Polish prisoners, the obvious was once again confirmed: the Germans themselves shot Polish prisoners no earlier than the fall of 1941.

          I lived in the village of Krasny Bor, not far from Katyn, I was a kid, but I already worked a goal. In vain GDP apologized.
          1. Tatyana 21 January 2020 14: 36 New
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            Well done simple Poles! With the pseudo-"Einstein" hypotheses of the greedy idiot-careerist Matserevich about the fall of the Polish presidential board near Smolensk, supposedly due to the fault of Russia, it's time to finish!
            Matserevich impudently stuck like a bug to the budget of Polish taxpayers - and lives and stinks for the whole world happily ever after!

            1. Tatyana 21 January 2020 17: 06 New
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              In vain GDP apologized.
              And not only the GDP, but also the pocket State Duma of the Russian Federation!

              On November 26, 2010, the State Duma of the Russian Federation also adopted the Statement “On the Katyn tragedy and its victims”.
              This shameful document, made explicitly by order from above, also blames the Soviet side on the Soviet side for all the blame for the shooting of Polish officers. In fact, it confirms the version of events fabricated at one time by the Nazi propaganda minister Goebbels. Moreover, the document contains offensive, baseless attacks on the Soviet government and the leadership of the USSR. The adoption of this statement may also lead to multibillion claims of the Polish side against Russia.

              Communist deputies strongly opposed the adoption of this document.
              The patriotic position of the Russians - regarding the falsification by Gorbachev / Yakovlev of Soviet documents on the Katyn case in support of Goebbels propaganda - was substantiated back then by a member of the Communist Party faction V.I. in his speech to the State Duma of the Russian Federation Ilyukhin.

              And indeed, after 10 years, the historical practice of international relations has clearly shown that with no false-concessive liberalism of the Russian "leaders" with their hope in the "pink glasses" to achieve any kind of Western disposition towards Russia, historically did not pass, does not pass - and will not pass!
              And it is time to end such an anti-Russian russophobic ruling elite at the “top” of the Russian Federation!

              In addition, the Polish memorial in Mednoye, which is located in the Russian Federation and is kept at the expense of Russians, must be opened completely, exhumed, and a thorough socio-medical examination carried out. Then, to separate the Poles from those who died in the battles and who died from wounds in the local hospitals of the Soviet military personnel - soldiers and officers. To create a real memorial for the Red Army soldiers who fell in battle.
              And with the Poles buried there, one must act according to historical truth and finish the matter at the discretion of Poland and by agreement with the authorities of the Russian Federation.
              Historical popular justice must triumph over the political idiocy of the ruling elite.

              Goebbels would be happy! Posted Nov 26 2010 year
              1. Tatyana 21 January 2020 17: 14 New
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                The russophobic elite of modern bourgeois Poland needs to be politically drafted in the interests of the historical truth and national security of the Russian Federation. Namely.

                Therefore, Putin need not stop there, but also close the case of falsifying Soviet “Katyn” documents committed by Gorbachev / Yakovlev in favor of the Goebbels version of the alleged shooting of 20 thousand Poles (policemen, judges, security guards) allegedly by the NKVD, and not by the Germans.
                With this, it is necessary to knock out the Polish Russophobes in their world anti-Russian policy, the main now supporting stone from under their feet against Russia - the Goebel myth of the allegedly execution of 20 thousand Poles by Russians in 1940. In fact, evidence has been gathered that the massacres of the Poles in 1940 by the USSR authorities were NOT.

                In particular, the government of the Russian Federation and Putin himself need to end with the myth in the same Copper, which has become history. Namely.

                In the Tver region, 30 kilometers from Tver there is a memorial complex "Copper". The visitors of Medny are assured that the remains of more than 6 thousand Polish prisoners of war, shot by the USSR authorities in the spring of 1940 in Kalinin, rest in this place. There is a similar memorial in the Smolensk region (Katyn).

                In the period from 1941 to 1943, several hospitals were located in the vicinity of the village of Mednoye. The Soviet soldiers of the 29th Army, who died in wounded medical battalions, were also buried there. AND in the place where the Polish memorial is now located, there was a collection point for the bodies of the Red Army soldiers who died in battles, whose memory has not yet been immortalized. In the 2006 year, representatives of the “Union of Soviet Officers” erected a marble slab on the territory of the Mednovsky Memorial in memory of the Soviet soldiers of the 29 Army who fell in battle. But soon the stove mysteriously disappeared.

                Myths of Copper Posted: Jul 25 2015 year
            2. major147 21 January 2020 19: 35 New
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              Quote: Tatiana
              about the fall of the presidential board of Poland near Smolensk, allegedly through the fault of Russia

              Yes, they do not need a result for hell, especially since it has long been known. He is interested in the process of accusations against Russia.
              1. Tatyana 21 January 2020 21: 52 New
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                Quote: major147
                Quote: Tatiana
                about the fall of the presidential board of Poland near Smolensk, allegedly through the fault of Russia
                Yes, they do not need a result for hell, especially since it has long been known. He is interested in the process of accusations against Russia.

                From an interview with "Wirtualna Polska" with the European MP, Polish presidential candidate Janusz Korvin-Mikke of May 16, 2015.
                Janusz Korwin-Mikke: There are no contradictions between Poland and Russia. There are no problems on the Polish-Russian border. Stir up military sentiment is beneficial not to us, but to the United States. It’s hard to admit that people like Vladimir Zhirinovskybut what he calls us henchmen of Washington, quite rightly.

                virtual Poland: Such sentiments in the context of Russia's aggressive policy are completely natural. It is difficult to be indifferent to the Iskanders standing at our border.

                Janusz Corvin: Wait a minute! “Iskanders” appeared recently: after Poland attacked Russia a hundred times in words, and now American armored cavalry marches across Polish soil. I am a poker player, and in this game you need to think like an opponent. The Russian view is as follows: over the past twenty years, NATO has absorbed the GDR, Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Romania, Bulgaria and wants to put a paw on Ukraine. Moreover, Kosovo was separated from Serbia, attacked the late Muammar Gaddafi, and now they are attacking the only defender of Christians in the Middle East - His Excellency Bashar al-Assad. Goes on the Internet meme: “Russians want war: see how close they are to their NATO bases”. So I ask: who is the aggressor?

                See in detail - Maidan snipers were trained in Poland -https: //www.liveinternet.ru/tags/antoni%20matserevich%20%28antoni%20macierewicz%29/

                As a result, Andrzej Duda was elected president of Poland in the presidential election, and not Janusz Korvin-Mikke.
        2. Sanichsan 21 January 2020 16: 59 New
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          And what about Katyn?

          Well, from where the legs grow, it’s well known ... documents on the proposal to eliminate the unapproachable enemies of the Soviet regime are publicly available. the truth is there are only documents with a proposal to shoot inapplicable and there are no documents on the results. It can not be. two options 1) published documents are fake, 2) a report on the conduct and results of the action has not yet been declassified.
          that is, like there is something but it is written on the water with a pitchfork ...
    2. Vol4ara 21 January 2020 13: 37 New
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      Quote: GKS 2111
      Recall that and Polish, and Russian, and independent the commissions had already investigated the plane crash case and concluded that the plane crashed due to reasons related to the crew’s error caused by the refusal to leave for the alternate aerodrome due to bad weather conditions near the Smolensk Severny airfield.

      What else do they need?

      Putin personally sent pilots as a novice
    3. knn54 21 January 2020 16: 01 New
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      It’s dangerous to lie, and it’s even more dangerous to voice the truth.
    4. Den717 21 January 2020 19: 20 New
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      What else do they need?

      Politicians from the PiS party are also called the Smolensk Sect. And the worldview of religious communities does not need materialistic evidence, there is only faith, continuous irrational metaphysics. In Poland, I mean first of all the political class, common sense is generally not held in high esteem. Unfortunately, this impresses the majority of the country's population. But hammering them with factual material is necessary. They, like children with developmental delays, sometimes progress, but very slowly in comparison with peers. Will have to endure. And if patience ends, then only euthanasia laughing The history of Poland already has a similar precedent.
    5. max702 24 January 2020 16: 24 New
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      Under any circumstances, you must dig Kaczynski ...
  2. tihonmarine 21 January 2020 13: 04 New
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    On the eve of the 10th anniversary of the crash near Smolensk, the Polish public is demanding a new investigation - already against a government commission that has been studying the circumstances of the crash for ten years.
    I often drove along the road, passing near the aircraft factories and the airfield, and the entire trajectory of the fall is clearly visible. I just want to say, “Well, when there’s at least one smart person who will say, everything’s clear to the fool”, but in Poland there probably aren’t such people.
  3. Ham
    Ham 21 January 2020 13: 04 New
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    pan Matsarevich famously hollowed out the Polish state to the tune of "investigations" ... he drank it so drank it ...
  4. Mytholog 21 January 2020 13: 05 New
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    They still can’t calm down. They do not want to accept the fact that if for 10 years they have not been able to blame the Russians, it will not work.
    1. Pathos 21 January 2020 14: 09 New
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      Well, how can Susanin’s victims calm down laughing
      1. Alexander I 21 January 2020 16: 20 New
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        Yes Susanin could solve issues with them
    2. tihonmarine 21 January 2020 15: 02 New
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      Quote: Mytholog
      They still can’t calm down. They do not want to accept the fact that if for 10 years they have not been able to blame the Russians, it will not work.

      So until then, since the time of Ivan the Terrible, they will not calm down (or maybe earlier).
  5. Timon2155 21 January 2020 13: 06 New
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    Eliminate this commission, create a new one, on another issue. Upon the return of the same art objects, for example. The main thing is to be at the “trough” and eat from it heartily. Well, what can you do that Poland does not have an oil and gas "trough", they replenish their pockets in this way))))
    1. Andrzej k 21 January 2020 14: 50 New
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      Unfortunately, this is all true. And we want or do not want to pay for it!
  6. BARKAS 21 January 2020 13: 10 New
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    Naturally, the GRU agents drank Russian vodka. yes
  7. Livonetc 21 January 2020 13: 12 New
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    Money cannot go.
    They are being taken out.
    Those who need to be taken away.
    This shaggy paw of the one who needs a paw.
  8. Andrzej k 21 January 2020 13: 14 New
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    Macierewicz had to disappear from political life long ago (or even be imprisoned) because it leads Poland to ridicule, it only brings danger and shame. For my part, I can only apologize to everyone.
    1. HAM
      HAM 21 January 2020 13: 38 New
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      That's just the "Matserevichs" have greatly bred in Poland ... even greater shame is brought by the deniers and rewriters of history ... We hope that you, Andrzej, are not alone in your country ...
      1. Andrzej k 21 January 2020 14: 33 New
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        Unfortunately, this is true - we have many people who support this option and are fooled. On the one hand, this is the result of our common history, fear of the USSR and, unfortunately, the deliberate activity of the authorities supporting the Russophobe. This is stupid because we are all Slavs and we have a lot in common.

        The deniers and rewriters of the story of us (of course), but also of yBas- just everyone has different views on often the same events. Only history should not be considered by politicians who use it cynically, but by scientists.
  9. Andrey Chistyakov 21 January 2020 13: 14 New
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    In my opinion, the question is closed on our part. They (the Poles) do not shine, from the word at all.
  10. Aleksey Aleksandrovich 21 January 2020 13: 20 New
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    Is it possible to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if she is not there?
  11. bober1982 21 January 2020 13: 21 New
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    In the public domain - the investigation of the IAC of this disaster, and to say this something to the Polish commission something new, and there is nothing, because of that, they were sad. Violations of flight laws by the crew, and those who put them on the flight, were simply egregious.
    1. Octopus 21 January 2020 14: 05 New
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      In the public domain - IAC investigation into this disaster

      You see. IAC is the Interstate Aviation Committee, one of the fragments of the USSR Ministry of Civil Aviation. Located in Moscow, headed by Tatyana Anodina, since '91. 80 years old grandmother, Brezhnev sits longer. It is difficult to assume that a person with such experience may differ in principle.

      So the investigation of the IAC in this matter is not evidence.

      As for the Polish side, there is a small problem. Polish patriotic forces hintthat it was an explosion. If it is proven, then.
      1. The assassination of the head of state is an act of war. For a moment, Poland is a member of NATO. What, in fact, should Poland do in such a situation? NATO? States?
      2. Donald Tusk, at that time Prime Minister of Poland. He kind of covered up the investigation, having entered into a conversation with the enemies of his country. But after the government of Poland, he became chairman of the European Commission (until recently). It turns out, to judge for treason and complicity in terrorism, the President of the European Commission?

      Somehow sounds too cool. No one is ready for such a conversation. But throwing a topic is a pity. So these rumors, talk, endless investigation - the best option.
      1. bober1982 21 January 2020 14: 17 New
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        But throwing a topic is a pity

        Here I completely agree with you.
        Quote: Octopus
        You see. IAC is the Interstate Aviation Committee, one of the fragments of the USSR Ministry of Civil Aviation. Located in Moscow

        Quote: Octopus
        So the investigation of the IAC in this matter is not evidence

        And here, of course, I do not agree with you.
        The crew was not ready for the flight, there were even violations in the composition of the crew itself, by the way no one forced them to land (or, they were forced by large bosses on board). You don’t see the lane - go to the reserve, this is the law, if the commander is responsible, he will do so , why was there to climb on the rampage.
        1. Octopus 21 January 2020 15: 14 New
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          The crew was not ready for flight

          You see. Could everything be as written in the report? Yes it could. Is the report of an organization such as IAC sufficient evidence to to exclude blasting an airplane? Is not. Since the IAC is not an independent investigator, the findings of the Miller commission are disavowed.
          1. bober1982 21 January 2020 15: 16 New
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            Quote: Octopus
            to rule out an airplane blast?

            Are you considering a UFO version? with aliens?
            1. Octopus 21 January 2020 15: 39 New
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              Quote: bober1982
              are you considering a UFO version? with aliens?

              Well, if these aliens are already being tried in another country in a different plane, then it would be nice to consider it.
              Again.
              If this was a normal accident, the IAC can investigate this.
              If this was an act of state terrorism, the IAC cannot investigate this. But the Polish commission cannot, if they do not have some kind of force to conduct an investigation in Russia. But he is not.
              1. bober1982 21 January 2020 17: 35 New
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                Quote: Octopus
                If this was a normal accident, the IAC can investigate this.

                It was not an accident, but a disaster.
                The late Polish president was a hot-tempered person, and before the Smolensk tragedy, there was an attempt to land the government Tu-154 in Tbilisi in difficult weather conditions as directed by the Polish president himself (!!!), the commander did not sit down, went to the alternate airfield, it cost him flight work .
                There is no need for conspiracy theories, flight laws are written for everyone, it’s like in a bathhouse where everyone is equal.
      2. Den717 21 January 2020 19: 32 New
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        Quote: Octopus
        1. The assassination of the head of state is an act of war. For a moment, Poland is a member of NATO. What, in fact, should Poland do in such a situation? NATO? States?

        What is the kill? Everything that could be loaded onto that plane could only be loaded on the Polish side. So it will be necessary to open a new investigation about terrorists in Poland. And off ..... NATO will puff out its cheeks, but will not budge. The United States will do the same ... But the first thing is to find traces of the explosion. And anyone interested in debris is allowed under very tight control, including dressing in pocketless overalls. So Polish patriots can hint at anything they want. They have no methods against .....
        1. Octopus 22 January 2020 00: 18 New
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          Yes, the situation with Polish patriots is really not the most favorable:
          1. The circumstances of the disaster preclude the use of air defense systems.
          2. The plane did not land in Russia, so that any impact on it on the ground could be carried out only until the last departure from Poland.
          3. At that time, Polish guests were really in a hurry to the other world, it is difficult to argue with the Polish side even.

          So the strategy of endless investigation with endless hints is chosen. It seems to be more oriented toward domestic circumstances than international ones - to show that previous investigators from the Tusk Civil Platform are not investigators, but wreckers and enemies of the people. Not even to show, but either they stole or stole from them, there are spoons, and the sediment remains.
    2. Andrzej k 21 January 2020 14: 43 New
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      The problem with us in Poland is that hardly anyone bothered to read the report of the IAC committee, and
      Polish commission Miller. They know all of the partisan stories of incompetent, politically minded journalists and politicians.

      It is also easier to blame the “dark forces of evil" than to admit that the catastrophe is the result of one’s own mistakes, huge negligence and violation of the rules in order to avoid further penetration.

      The state of the art at the airport and the maintenance of the homing guys definitely didn’t help to avoid the disaster, but we were the ones who wanted to fly and land there, knowing what the airport looked like.
      1. bober1982 21 January 2020 15: 04 New
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        The problem we have in Poland is

        The problem is that the commission itself is in a difficult position, they cannot say anything intelligible, there is simply nothing to say, and they cannot recognize the meaninglessness of their many years of activity, and no one will allow them.
  12. Amateur 21 January 2020 13: 28 New
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    The commission did not find direct evidence of the USSR’s guilt, but in December 1987, on the basis of the commission’s work, a note of four was prepared in the Polish sector of the Central Committee on the need to admit the guilt of the Stalinist regime. It was signed by the secretaries of the Central Committee, members of the Politburo A. N. Yakovlev, V. A. Medvedev, Minister of Foreign Affairs E. A. Shevardnadze and Minister of Defense Marshal S. L. Sokolov.

    The prospect of publishing these documents, however, forced the Soviet leadership in April 1990 to officially recognize Soviet responsibility for the Katyn execution.

    During his visit to Warsaw in 1993, Yeltsin with the words “I'm sorry!” knelt in front of the monument to Katyn officers at a military cemetery in Warsaw.

    Vladimir Putin, in the status of president and prime minister of Russia, made statements several times condemning the Katyn shooting as a crime of the Stalin regime, while at the same time expressing a “personal opinion” that the shooting was Stalin’s revenge for the defeat in the Soviet-Polish war (1920 ), in which he personally took part as a member of the Revolutionary Military Council of the Southwestern Front [97]. Similar statements were made by President D. A. Medvedev, calling for further investigation and emphasizing the invariability of the Russian position [98], April 18-19, 2010.

    in Russia there are supporters of the original Soviet version of the shooting of Poles by German occupation forces. This version is especially actively developed by the publicist Yu. I. Mukhin [27]. According to supporters of this version, the data collected by the Germans during the Second World War, as well as those that appeared in the West during the Cold War, were fabricated; first by the Nazis, later - who took over the baton of the struggle against the "communist threat" by the ideological opponents of the USSR; that printed documents presented to the public for the first time in the USSR during perestroika and later are the result of large-scale falsification organized by M. S. Gorbachev, A. N. Yakovlev and B. N. Yeltsin to please their political interests

    Marcievich is not a fool at all. He waits for the next ruler of Russia to take responsibility on his predecessors.
    1. Andrey Chistyakov 21 January 2020 13: 34 New
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      "Martsievich is not a fool at all. He is waiting for the next ruler of Russia to take responsibility on his predecessors." As the classic V.S. Vysotsky said: "Do not wait."
      1. Amateur 21 January 2020 13: 43 New
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        "Do not wait."

        Responsibility for Katyn to accuse the Communist Party took the same. Are you sure that in 2024 some A. Nalny will not accuse the Russian leadership of destroying not only the Smolensk Tu, but also the Malaysian Boeing, and the Ukrainian Boeing in Iran, or some other sins?
        1. Andrey Chistyakov 21 January 2020 13: 45 New
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          Quote: Amateur
          "Do not wait."

          Responsibility for Katyn to accuse the Communist Party took the same. Are you sure that in 2024 some A. Nalny will not accuse the Russian leadership of destroying not only the Smolensk Tu, but also the Malaysian Boeing, and the Ukrainian Boeing in Iran, or some other sins?

          Wake up. Amendments to the constitution are made. So that there would never again be 1991.
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            Amendments to the constitution are made.

            Unfortunately, the constitution of the Russian Federation is not a bible. And in my memory, it was changed so many times that at least 2 countries of the USSR and the RSFSR did not.
            1. Andrey Chistyakov 21 January 2020 13: 52 New
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              Quote: Amateur
              Amendments to the constitution are made.

              Unfortunately, the constitution of the Russian Federation is not a bible. And in my memory, it was changed so many times that at least 2 countries of the USSR and the RSFSR did not.

              Wait and see.
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                drinks
                Wait and see.
                drinks
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    Fools and beat in the altar. Everything has been investigated for a long time. it’s even known that for a deer he ran into the cockpit and began to give instructions ... Do you want to continue spending money no matter what - as I said, they beat in the altar
    1. bober1982 21 January 2020 13: 52 New
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      Do you want to continue to spend money on anything

      The Polish commission remains to be engaged in grave-digging, in the event of this catastrophe it is an ungrateful and useless affair.
    2. Andrey Chistyakov 21 January 2020 13: 53 New
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      Quote: Uhu
      Fools and beat in the altar. Everything has been investigated for a long time. it’s even known that for a deer he ran into the cockpit and began to give instructions ... Do you want to continue spending money no matter what - as I said, they beat in the altar

      Not at all. A trunk was drilled in a birch. A steel pin with a pendulum was inserted there. They flew into it.
  14. Operator 21 January 2020 14: 00 New
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    Everyone knows everything long ago from the transcript of the recorder in the cockpit - the Polish Air Force commander, drunk into the dungeon, Andrzej Blasik ordered the military pilots of the presidential plane to land, no matter what.

    Local national tradition is to deny the obvious.

    It’s like the 1944 Warsaw Uprising: all Polish documents feature the purpose of the uprising - to prevent the liberation of Warsaw by the Red Army, but the USSR is still to blame for not liberating the city in 1944 laughing
  15. iouris 21 January 2020 14: 09 New
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    How is it no results? Just the results are there: what they wanted to achieve, that was achieved. Only these results have no relation to flight safety.
  16. Ros 56 21 January 2020 14: 39 New
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    You can draw water with a sieve indefinitely, but the money in your pockets settles.
  17. depressant 21 January 2020 16: 39 New
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    Well yes. The investigation will be completed only when the "convincing" evidence of Russia's guilt is falsified. Anything else for the Poles means "unacceptable incompleteness of the investigation." Who would doubt it!
  18. sharp-lad 21 January 2020 16: 48 New
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    It’s time for the Poles to free themselves from the perennial yoke of psheks!
    1. sevryuk 21 January 2020 17: 39 New
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      Not to the Poles, but to the glades! winked
      1. sharp-lad 21 January 2020 21: 18 New
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        Glades were only one of many tribes living in Poland. hi
        True, they gave the name to the people as a whole. smile
  19. thinker 21 January 2020 16: 52 New
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    The investigation has been going on for ten years ...
    The whole saga turns out. The report of the State Commission for the Investigation of Air Accidents of the Republic of Poland was signed on July 1, 2011, published on July 29, 2011. The report did not contain data on the intentional nature of the catastrophe near Smolensk. In March 2016, the Ministry of Justice of Poland created a new commission to investigate the disaster, headed by Vaclav Bierczynski. In April 2018, the commission, already under the leadership of Macherevich, annulled Miller's report! The goal of creating a second commission - to blame Russia, has not been fulfilled, and the “hatred session” continues.
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  21. pepel 21 January 2020 17: 58 New
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    The top cuts the loot, and the lackeys deliver this loot.