The latest Russian radar spotted "stealth" F-35 fighters, we conclude


American invisible fighters were not so invulnerable to the latest Russian radars. Immediately 6 fifth-generation F-35 aircraft were detected by Russian air defense systems near the borders with Iran. This happened immediately after the Iranian attack on US military bases in Iraq.


The information that our air defense was able to detect American fighters, was announced by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. First of all, diplomat Lavrov assessed this event from the point of view of foreign policy, emphasizing all the nervousness of the situation in the Middle East. But he did not forget to emphasize that the Russian air defense and missile defense controls distances of thousands of kilometers from the state border of the Russian Federation.

For those who are interested in modern weapons, the very fact of the discovery of stealth F-35 fighters by Russian air defense systems is a landmark event. We draw conclusions: it turns out that the "invisibility" so pervasive by the American mass media is actually quite visible to itself. The main thing is that the air defense systems be modern and high-quality, and then the F-35 will not slip through them. Moreover, they detected not 1 or even 2, but 6 whole fifth-generation aircraft.

Americans reinforce the capabilities of their military aviation, but the Russian military industry does not stand still. Detection of the F-35 was made possible thanks to the entry into the troops of the over-the-horizon radar station “Container”. The first such station was adopted a year ago - December 1, 2019. She turned to the west.


Unlike previous radar stations, “Container” is able to detect an air object at a distance of more than 2 thousand kilometers. That is, the Russian air defense receives information about the existing threat long before airborne objects approach the borders of our country. And this despite the fact that conventional radars cover a distance of up to 400 kilometers.

For the global arms market, the ability of Russian radar systems to detect fifth-generation “invisible” aircraft is crucial news. Firstly, potential buyers of the F-35 were convinced that the aircraft is not completely invulnerable to modern air defense systems, which means that you can choose other aircraft that are cheaper in cost.

Secondly, there will be growing interest in such radar systems that are capable of detecting F-35s. Russian air defense and missile defense systems are already considered the strongest in the world, and this news is another confirmation of this.

Given the context, our air defense systems may be of particular interest to Iran, which is now preoccupied with protecting its territory from possible attacks by American missiles and aircraft, as well as for many other states - from China and India to Egypt and Algeria. True, while the possibility of exporting systems to third countries is not mentioned. But then nothing prevents the conclusion of an agreement with Iran on the exchange of air defense data. Then Russia will be able to warn its southern neighbor about the danger threatening it without any problems.

Currently, the Russian armed forces are awaiting the delivery of new Container radars. They should be deployed in all strategic directions - west, northwest, east and south. Moreover, equipping stations along the perimeter of the state border of the Russian Federation is not so difficult, given the mobility of the structure and the speed of its deployment.

After the arrival of new “Containers” in the troops, the airspace of Russia will be more reliably protected from any enemy, since information will be transmitted long before enemy missiles or aircraft approach the air borders of our country. The United States and its NATO allies will not be able to fly aircraft even from distant bases, while remaining unnoticed by Russian air defense systems.
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  1. Jack O'Neill 21 January 2020 09: 43 New
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    The latest Russian radar spotted "stealth" F-35 fighters, we conclude

    Can you see a material object with a radio wave? Wow, now we can see objects with a Luneberg lens.
    The world will not be the same now ...
    1. Boris55 21 January 2020 09: 50 New
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      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      US using radio waves can you see a material object?

      Ignoramus. Go to school, learn physics.
      1. Jack O'Neill 21 January 2020 09: 52 New
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        Ignoramus. Go to school, learn physics.

        Ooh, I don’t need it, but it looks like you ... wink
        1. A good one 21 January 2020 10: 14 New
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          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          Ignoramus. Go to school, learn physics.

          Ooh, I don’t need it, but it looks like you ... wink

          To begin with, study the propagation of radio waves, the environment, well, and the reflected signal to you in the load. wink
          1. qQQQ 21 January 2020 11: 06 New
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            Quote: Not bad
            To begin with, study the propagation of radio waves, the environment, well, and the reflected signal to you in the load. wink

            You killed him with this, it’s impossible with a fragile consciousness.
            1. rich 21 January 2020 12: 06 New
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              In vain you would be so straightforward with him, at first you would explain to him what the horizon and over-the-horizon radars are. It should have been more affectionate, or something more correct. And then suddenly he will run to the child’s oversoldman lol
              1. SovAr238A 21 January 2020 13: 58 New
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                Quote: Rich
                In vain you would be so straightforward with him, at first you would explain to him what the horizon and over-the-horizon radars are. It should have been more affectionate, or something more correct. And then suddenly he will run to the child’s oversoldman lol



                At the same time, explain to everyone and to yourself how you can find fighters near Iran with a radar station, albeit overseas, but still looking at northwestern Europe?
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                2. Boa kaa 21 January 2020 16: 28 New
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                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  how can fighters be found near Iran with a radar station, albeit overseas, but still looking at northwestern Europe?

                  How how? - HOW! (from)

                  See Container radiation pattern. And after refinement, she will see in the wider sector.
                  "Now we can control the movement of all military aircraft of the NATO countries over the territory of Europe, Asia, the Baltic, Northern and Mediterranean seas, in particular over the Persian Gulf "- said Major General Andrei Koban, the chief of the radio technical forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper.
                  1. SovAr238A 21 January 2020 17: 13 New
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                    Quote: BoA KAA
                    Quote: SovAr238A
                    how can fighters be found near Iran with a radar station, albeit overseas, but still looking at northwestern Europe?

                    How how? - HOW! (from)

                    See Container radiation pattern. And after refinement, she will see in the wider sector.
                    "Now we can control the movement of all military aircraft of the NATO countries over the territory of Europe, Asia, the Baltic, Northern and Mediterranean seas, in particular over the Persian Gulf "- said Major General Andrei Koban, the chief of the radio technical forces of the Russian Aerospace Forces, the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper.


                    Where did you find such a picture?

                    Kovylkino is located in Mordovia, Gorodets in the Nizhny Novgorod region is just the middle of a straight line between Moscow and Samara ... And where is the point?
                    1000 kilometers southeast?
                    Where is no Kovylkino in sight?
                    This is called creating fake news - everything seems plausible - but everything is untrue!


                    Here are the words from an interview with the Director General of NPK Scientific Research Institute of Long-Range Radio Communications (NIIDAR, Moscow) Kirill Makarov. Head of the organization that created the "Container"
                    Thus, with the help of the new over-the-horizon radar, the Russian armed forces can monitor a large region that includes all of Europe, including the vast majority of NATO countries


                    Stop listening to stupid generals who always lie and lie ....
                    1. asv363 21 January 2020 18: 21 New
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                      Specialists of the defense industry and the armed forces had to test the promising radar, and also, if such a need arose, refine it. In particular, from the very beginning it was a question of increasing the horizontal viewing sector from the original 180 ° to 240 °.

                      From an article in 2018 published on VO. There is a fragment of the interview indicated by you there.
                      1. SovAr238A 21 January 2020 18: 32 New
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                        Quote: asv363
                        Specialists of the defense industry and the armed forces had to test the promising radar, and also, if such a need arose, refine it. In particular, from the very beginning it was a question of increasing the horizontal viewing sector from the original 180 ° to 240 °.

                        From an article in 2018 published on VO. There is a fragment of the interview indicated by you there.


                        but there were no improvements.
                        as in 2013 put into trial operation. and sawed what is ...

                        she does not look at yut.
                        She looks cleanly west.
                    2. Rusland 21 January 2020 19: 06 New
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                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      Stop listening to stupid generals who always lie and lie ....

                      Eco poked you belay It could have rolled over to another barrel. Sofa bedsores do not like.
                    3. Boa kaa 21 January 2020 19: 17 New
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                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      Stop listening to stupid generals who always lie and lie ...

                      You’ve grabbed it!
                      Here is another picture cited by a colleague figv (Sergey) Today, 11:42; lower on the branch. It already has a viewing sector of 240 * And is it your "linden" too?
                      1. Octopus 22 January 2020 06: 58 New
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                        Quote: BoA KAA
                        figam (Sergey) Today, 11:42; lower on the branch. It has a viewing sector of 240 *

                        Better and better. Why still have not drawn 360? Outrage.
                      2. YOUR 22 January 2020 10: 19 New
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                        Information taken from here. https://voennoedelo.com/posts/id3245-sqyxi0hrgdhg4626trpj
                        It goes through the OBS department and maybe. Further promotion went and MK already reports as a fait accompli.
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                    5. djdf.tvtkz 21 January 2020 23: 07 New
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                      Radar "Container" allows you to detect air targets in the sector of 240 degrees and at a distance of more than 2,5 thousand km. https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5979565
                      What is 240 degrees taught ???
                      1. Octopus 22 January 2020 07: 03 New
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                        Major General Andrei Koban, the chief of the radio-technical forces of the Aerospace Forces, is quoted in the message.

                        If it suddenly turns out that Andrei Yakovlevich Koban, Major General, lying to us was misled by the fraudsters. Will it shoot a bullet in the forehead? Will the psychologists of the Moscow Region save the person? What do you think?
                      2. YOUR 22 January 2020 14: 50 New
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                        It’s strange what they say about the radar container.
                        All this territory is viewed by other Voronezh overseas radars located in Armavir, Orsk, Barnaul. The radar station in Orsk should generally detect all movements.
                      3. Operator 22 January 2020 15: 04 New
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                        Voronezh - over-the-horizon radar.
                3. MrFox 21 January 2020 17: 27 New
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                  A linear array cannot have a diagram like this. It is surprising how profane try to prove something to engineers
                  1. Zhan 21 January 2020 20: 40 New
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                    Quote: MrFox
                    A linear array cannot have a diagram like this. It is surprising how profane try to prove something to engineers

                    And he is a designer, he sees so ... lol
                  2. Boa kaa 22 January 2020 11: 53 New
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                    Quote: MrFox
                    A linear antenna array may not have such a pattern.

                    And if you finish building another "section" of the masts at an angle to the main "canvas"?
                    And who told you that electronic directional control is not installed on it? Why can the AFAR control the beam, but not the ZGRLS?
                    It is surprising how profane try to prove something to engineers

                    Are you an electronic engineer?
                    1. MrFox 22 January 2020 13: 43 New
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                      If yes.

                      And what will be the aperture when the beam is turned through 180? Correct answer: none
                4. Octopus 22 January 2020 06: 56 New
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                  Quote: BoA KAA
                  See Container radiation pattern

                  ZGRLS sees 180 degrees? What a technique it came to!
                5. sergejivan 22 January 2020 12: 16 New
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                  Great! Directly mesmerizing your answer and picture!
          2. A good one 21 January 2020 15: 20 New
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            Quote: qqqq
            Quote: Not bad
            To begin with, study the propagation of radio waves, the environment, well, and the reflected signal to you in the load. wink

            You killed him with this, it’s impossible with a fragile consciousness.

            Greetings Friend hi But we have such signalers as the atmosphere and fading. smile
            1. qQQQ 21 January 2020 15: 49 New
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              Greetings, everything is there and attenuation too, but it’s not necessary right away, it’s enough for the first time.
              1. ul_vitalii 21 January 2020 16: 43 New
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                Ok you guys hi , neper and deciles to the side. yes
          3. Zhan 21 January 2020 20: 39 New
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            Quote: qqqq
            Quote: Not bad
            To begin with, study the propagation of radio waves, the environment, well, and the reflected signal to you in the load. wink

            You killed him with this, it’s impossible with a fragile consciousness.

            hi laughing
            What kind of consciousness are you talking about? There it is clogged with popcorn ... smile
    2. TermNachTer 21 January 2020 15: 45 New
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      You can discover anything you want. There are no aircraft that do not emit anything in any of the ranges. alarming detection range.
      1. Passing 21 January 2020 17: 10 New
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        The over-the-horizon radar shines the target from above, and from above, for 10 centimeter waves, the penguin has the same EPR as not stealth - tens of square meters. So everything is legal, ZGRLS have been detecting such objects for thousands of kilometers for a long time.
        1. TermNachTer 21 January 2020 17: 11 New
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          Thanks - enlightened. Not strong in matters of air defense.
    3. opus 21 January 2020 19: 37 New
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      Quote: Boris55
      Ignoramus. Go to school, learn physics.

      roughly
      1.
      Quote: Anonymous author
      The latest Russian radar spotted "stealth" F-35 fighters, we conclude

      Quote: Anonymous author
      Information that our air defense managed to detect American fighters, announced the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Lavrov

      fake. negative
      "There is information that after the attack, the Iranians were expecting another United States strike. They did not know in what form, but there were at least six F-35s in the air - in the airspace right on the Iranian border. This is information that I think is still subject to double-checking. But I just want to emphasize the nervousness that is always present in such situations, "
      - Lavrov said at a press conference on the results of the activities of Russian diplomacy in 2019.
      link / source:

      not a word about our air defense system, nor about the "newest radar
      2. 29B6 “Container” Pl. No. 1 emitter object 5452, military unit 80158 (Gorodets), Pl. No. 2 - Kovylkino (Mordovia) receiver
      They can neither irradiate the F-35s hanging from Iran, nor receive the reflected signal, even if they implemented a sector of 240 degrees
      3. It is written by the "American" F-35 fake generator (namely American, not Israeli).
      Otkudov soared?
      Continuous deployment of American F-35s in Europe is planned start in 2021 year с English airbase Lakenhit. Next in line will be the replacement of F-16 deployed at Aviano and Spangdahl bases in Italy and Germany, respectively.

      and on BV they are not on an ongoing basis.
      Israeli would hardly have flown.
      4. I'm afraid that Sergey Lavrov is unlikely to distinguish the F-35 from the F-15 ...
      Quote: Not bad
      To begin with, study the propagation of radio waves, the environment, well, and the reflected signal in your load

      and what does it have to do with it?
      5. 29B6 two-coordinate over-the-horizon radar. I'm not special, but I think in azimuth and range:
      all you need is 4 coordinates:

      range resolution in the ZG radar can range from 3 to 30 km. This is usually 1000 times worse than the range resolution in a conventional microwave radar
      if there is a benchmark, then the accuracy can be within 5 km. In the absence of a reference point, the range of the absolute error can be about 10–20 km, provided that real-time information is available on the current state and characteristics of the propagation channel. The angular error is usually less than 0,5 degrees, but may be 1n
      T.O. detect, identify and classify 5 pieces F-35 ZGRLS can only the author of this "news"
      6.

      Layer E is the most stable and provides more information, F1 and F2 (3000 km) are not very convenient to work with, time of day, solar activity, etc.
      the quality of detection and tracking of the radar target using an ionospheric propagation, significantly depends on changes in frequency, time and place.
      in our case, just 3000 km or more + night ...
      7. ZGRLS looks like this:

      The radar irradiates (“illuminates”) each DIR zone in a coherent processing time interval, and then, as planned, sequentially bypasses the various DIR zones. Depending on the priorities chosen during a sequential tour, various tasks may be alternated, but it is necessary to ensure that the rate of repeated exposure of the zone is sufficient to prevent deterioration of tracking indicators:
      A- zone of the “barrier problem”
      B - “peering task”
      C is the task of "power protection"
      D is remote sensing (we are not interested)

      to suggest that just then, at 29B6, Iran was in zone A- it seems unlikely (but rather stupid and ridiculous)
      ZG radars operate on a schedule, performing one or more tasks in a limited number of viewing areas located in selected areas of the general observation area.
      8. The version of the radar equation for ZGRL looks like this:

      but only if the radial velocity of the target leads to an increase in the Doppler shift so much that it is enough to place the echo of the target in the Doppler frequency region separately from the noise, which is superior to spurious reflections ...
      ZG radar with an average transmit power Pave = 200 kW (53 dBW), operating at the carrier frequency, with a transmit antenna gain of Gt = 20 dB and a receive antenna gain of Gr = 30 dB. at a distance of about 2900 km over the earth, with a single span - jump - propagation and a virtual reflection height of hv = 300 km, under ideal conditions it can detect a fighter with an average EPR from = 15 dBm ^ 2 = 2-3 m ^ 2 in the field of view
      and the F-35 seems to be 0,3-0,4?
      It will not be enough!
      TOTAL: + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 = 100% fake, ashamed to be
      Quote: puzoter
      Over the horizon radar on the drum these lenses

      The dimensions of the reflector must be greater than several wavelengths.
      300/20 = 15m ... (in a vacuum) no lenses, do not roll, the F-35 itself acts as a "lens"
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        1. Operator 22 January 2020 14: 52 New
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          In the radio range of decameter waves from 10 to 100 meters (where there is no stealth technology), the EPR of an F-35 fighter can be estimated at 10 square meters.

          In addition, your opponent opus has not yet managed to subtract from the Internet the main mode of operation of ZGRLS - the initial heating of the ionosphere by radio waves with a length of 100 meters and the transition to a permanent location using waves with a length of 10 meters. In the latter case, in single-hop mode (at a distance of up to 3000 km), all air targets with linear dimensions of 5 meters or more are detected (Tomahayk, LRASM, JASSM, etc.).

          As for the resolution of a specific ZGRLS "Container", in azimuth it amounts to about 1 angular degree; range and altitude resolution - 1 km, speed resolution - 100 m / s. Such indicators are achieved by using a modern Russian supercomputer, the data processing performance of which is many orders of magnitude higher than that of the Soviet computer used in the equipment of the Soviet Duga ZGRLS.

          Classification of air targets is ensured by the joint processing of radar data from S-300/400 air defense systems (located in air defense zones in the same Syria) and Container air defense systems (located in Mordovia / Nizhny Novgorod region): everything that radars do not see (and do not respond to the request "friend or foe" or fly without the use of a transponder), but sees ZGRLS - and there are stealth aircraft F-35 and F-22.
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  2. KCA
    KCA 21 January 2020 09: 56 New
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    It was after the attack of the American military base, going on combat patrol, that the 6 F-35s turned on the lens, this is such a tactical move, to attract more attention from Iran’s air defense, and possibly run into a missile.
    1. Jack O'Neill 21 January 2020 10: 02 New
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      It was after the attack of the American military base, going on combat patrol, that the 6 F-35s turned on the lens, this is such a tactical move, to attract more attention from Iran’s air defense, and possibly run into a missile.

      Did they attack? Not...
      And decameter waves and not only such small objects are able to burn. But the use of such a radar for air defense is not much. Such a wavelength is not suitable for SAM.
      So they burned in with a Luneberg lens, since there is no point in shining once again if there was no attack.
      1. dvina71 21 January 2020 10: 16 New
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        Quote: Jack O'Neill
        Such a wavelength is not suitable for SAM.

        Can I have details about missiles at a distance of 3000 km?
        1. Jack O'Neill 21 January 2020 13: 27 New
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          Can I have details about missiles at a distance of 3000 km?

          And what are there?
      2. bk316 21 January 2020 10: 17 New
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        But the use of such a radar for air defense is not much.

        Exactly as much as needed. Namely, in time to detect the fact of the attack and transfer all air defense to combat mode. It is amazing that you, with your claims to understanding the work of aviation and air defense, do not know this: this is how the layered SPRN / PRO / Air Defense of the Russian Federation works.
        1. figwam 21 January 2020 11: 42 New
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          Quote: bk316
          Exactly as much as needed.

          Exactly...
        2. Jack O'Neill 21 January 2020 13: 28 New
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          Exactly as much as needed. Namely, in time to detect the fact of the attack and transfer all air defense to combat mode. It is amazing that you, with your claims to understanding the work of aviation and air defense, do not know this: this is how the layered SPRN / PRO / Air Defense of the Russian Federation works.

          Yes and no.
          So you only learn about objects in one direction or another.
          1. Puzoter 21 January 2020 15: 06 New
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            And also speed, approximate size, flight profile, signature. And what is not enough - artificial intelligence will come up with. We somehow learned that this is the F-35 ...
            1. Jack O'Neill 21 January 2020 19: 19 New
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              Estimated speed, approximate size! Exemplary!
              We somehow learned that this is the F-35 ...

              Was there a boy?
              1. Puzoter 21 January 2020 19: 35 New
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                Actually, at such a level, such statements are made not for us to have fun at VO, but to convey information to a likely enemy, which means that it’s true. Well, or in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs there are complete degenerates, which I personally doubt.
                1. Jack O'Neill 21 January 2020 20: 36 New
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                  Actually, at such a level, such statements are made not for us to have fun at VO, but to convey information to a likely enemy, which means that it’s true.

                  Not necessarily true. Nobody forbade to take on a show off.

                  Well, or in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs there are complete degenerates, which I personally doubt.

                  If we recall their pearls, with the same CoD, or with AH-64, which is supposedly Mi-28, or with AC-130 Gunship Simulator.
                  So that:
                  Well, or in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs complete degenerates

                  it is quite possible to believe.
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                  Quote: puzoter
                  what personally I doubt.

                  Seriously?

                  Try to find a case that you can understand without physics if you are not strong in it. Let's say the recent shooting in Transbaikalia.
    2. opus 22 January 2020 02: 19 New
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      Quote: KCA
      going on combat patrol, 6 F-35

      from what American base did the “American” F-35s go to this “combat” patrol?
      Quote: KCA
      turned on the lens

      it does not need to be turned on, it is on 4/3 screws


      and on the 35th it’s even like that

      While there is no war, they all fly with it.
  3. Puzoter 21 January 2020 09: 59 New
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    These lenses are behind the horizontal radar on the drum; they see the whole plane in the long-wavelength range, in which the lenses cannot work even because of the size.
    1. Jack O'Neill 21 January 2020 10: 04 New
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      These lenses are behind the horizontal radar on the drum; they see the whole plane in the long-wavelength range, in which the lenses cannot work even because of the size.

      Yes, I didn’t immediately see the “Container”. Already fixed.
    2. Pete mitchell 21 January 2020 20: 13 New
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      Which is translated into Russian: if the wavelength is comparable with the geometric dimensions of the object, then no stealth technology will help.
      Among other things, this fact surfaced when the V-2 first flew to England: conservative shaves used meter radars for a very long time, spirit was discerned at a distance of more than five hundred kilometers. Tried to otmazatsya supposedly he got there in the rain and therefore ...., the fact caused a considerable commotion, there were many such radars in ... in the Russian Federation ... recourse
  4. Amateur 21 January 2020 10: 13 New
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    Can you see a material object with a radio wave?

    Not only material. Meteorological locators see thunderclouds and many more atmospheric phenomena
    1. Aerodrome 21 January 2020 10: 32 New
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      The latest Russian radar spotted "stealth" F-35 fighters, we conclude
      any foreign body in the atmosphere - it is foreign. that means it is detected in some kind (spectrum, wave range, em.radiation, etc.) so that, as Gleb Zheglov said ...: "stealth is invisible" - no Sharapov ... " laughing
    2. Yngvar 21 January 2020 12: 26 New
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      It is on the principles of reflection from clouds and other inhomogeneities of the atmosphere that the tropospheric connection is based, and it is quite effective and high-quality. I suppose that atmospheric disturbances and other effects that occur locally from a plane’s passage (the reflection of radio waves not from the object, but from the disturbance created by it) are also visible in the radar field ...
    3. Jack O'Neill 21 January 2020 13: 28 New
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      Not only material. Meteorological locators see thunderclouds and many more atmospheric phenomena

      It is strange that they did not understand sarcasm ...
  5. gridasov 21 January 2020 11: 12 New
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    The processes of transformation of radio waves allow us to identify through their behavior what is an aircraft and classify them according to flight parameters.
    1. Aerodrome 21 January 2020 11: 40 New
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      Quote: gridasov
      The processes of transformation of radio waves allow us to identify through their behavior what is an aircraft and classify them according to flight parameters.
      about the "processes of transformation of radio waves" can be compressed, and not abstruse, for the average technical? if not difficult and not lazy. hi
      1. gridasov 21 January 2020 15: 03 New
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        there is an inextricable physical space of various fractal levels of interaction. Therefore, an airplane flying in this space is ionized by air and its angular parts emit a disturbance impulse into this space. Therefore, the name of a certain element base can be used to scan the space within the operation of this element device, which will perceive and respond to disturbances of the Flying Object.
  6. fyvaprold 21 January 2020 11: 37 New
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    Quote: Jack O'Neill
    The latest Russian radar spotted "stealth" F-35 fighters, we conclude

    Can you see a material object with a radio wave? Wow, now we can see objects with a Luneberg lens.
    The world will not be the same now ...

    For you, apparently, it will be so. laughing The first American radar with headlamps was based on the use of a Luneberg lens. "Nud" to you, for the deep ignorance physics. Tomorrow with parents to school. laughing Eh, the more high technologies are introduced into everyday life, the more various obscurantists appear recourse . I hope the odes of "flat Earth" You will not sing? Although, once the world is no longer the same, perhaps for you, it will become flat. laughing lol laughing
    You are PROFesor Jack O'Neill, made my day. Thanks. good good good
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      The first American radar with headlamps was based on the use of a Luneberg lens. "Nud" to you, for a deep ignorance of physics.

      Nani? I am wrong? If not right, then where? Show!

      I hope the odes of "flat Earth" You will not sing?

      And how do you prove that the Earth is not flat? But, let’s make it a little more interesting: you cannot mention the “radio horizon”.
      Forward.)
      You are PROFesor Jack O'Neill, made my day. thanks

      Please! laughing
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        Nani? I'm wrong? If not right, then where? Show!

        I do not understand the question. What to show you? Nania? Unfortunately, I am not familiar with this young lady. laughing As for the Luneberg radar, this is Westinghouse's AN / SPG-59.
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        And how do you prove that the Earth is not flat?

        There are no words! Books to help, or broadcast from the ISS. There are no words.
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        But, let’s make it a little more interesting: you cannot mention the “radio horizon”.

        At the pike command, at your request? Okay. good
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          I do not understand the question. What to show you? Nania?

          Nani - What. And not ashamed of you?)

          There are no words! Books to help, or broadcast from the ISS. No words

          Clearly, you cannot even prove that the Earth is round. So who and where is going?
          If you took away the only thing you can operate on, then you are blown away. Clearly understood.
          At the pike command, at your request? Okay.

          I understand that you are a balabol.
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            Clearly, you cannot even prove that the Earth is round. So who and where is going?
            If you took away the only thing you can operate on, then you are blown away. Clearly understood.

            They once told me as a child that it is better not to argue with some citizens, but to agree, otherwise they can bite. So here you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT !!!!! Just do not forget to drink pills. laughing
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            I understand that you are a balabol.

            The strongest argument !!! A worthy academician who completed two-week academic courses. I appoint you Supreme Augur, for your ingenuity and argument in the dispute. good
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              So you can’t prove that Earth-chan is round?
              But I can prove that Earth-chan is flat!
              So, it was worth taking away your only toy, so you can not "prove" anything. So who is there to learn physics? Well, or at least the logic? ...
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          your nonsense ... no, I don’t understand ....

          Hmm, then forgive me, in vain I asked you what you understood or not. It happens, I often overestimate people.) Once again - sorry!

          They say that logic improves games. I can recommend the wonderful Rome II Total War, Civilization 6, Portal 1/2.
          Mmm, here's another, keep the coloring:

          Paint Urahara.
          That’s it, I went. How to finish - let me know! Someone should check you out.)
          And remember - no sweet at bedtime!
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            They say that logic improves games. I can recommend the wonderful Rome II Total War, Civilization 6, Portal 1/2.
            Mmm, here's another, keep the coloring:


            yes you still play toys .... well then everything is clear ... virtual ... where is such nonsense
            1. Jack O'Neill 22 January 2020 23: 22 New
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              yes you still play toys .... well then everything is clear ... virtual ... where is such nonsense

              Don’t you play? Parents do not let me?


              https://www.mirprognozov.ru/prognosis/society/igrovyie-strategii-stimuliruyut-myishlenie/
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                Don’t you play? Parents do not let me?

                Yes, I’m more in real life .... all the same, the captain of the Marine Corps of the DCBF ... the title obliges ... something like this virtual
                1. Jack O'Neill 24 January 2020 05: 49 New
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                  Yes, I’m more in real life .... all the same, the captain of the Marine Corps DKBF ...

                  Ahh, well, since the captain, then you can’t play at all. So you do not play CoD? In vain, in vain ...
                  But in real life you can’t start a full-scale war, like in Ziva 6. In real life you can’t even capture a galaxy (Endless Space 2), so what can we talk about?
                  Do you even shoot people? No. Target, and this is at best!
                  In games you can shoot live people!

                  By the way, if you're lucky, then the virus from China is a coronavirus, then you can and can shoot at infected people.
                  By the way, it’s funny, but nobody wrote about it in VO, and in China there’s already a good one.
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                    hear the wise guy ... divan ... cover your mouth ... when you see children and women with a bullet in their stomach and intestines ... like in Ossetia in 2008 ... so you don’t feel sorry for these nosy scum, but you the campaign did not even serve ... theorist
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                      hear the wise guy ... couch ..., cover your mouth ... when you see children and women with a bullet in their stomach and intestines ...

                      Have you seen? ..
                      I haven’t seen such a thing, son.
                      By the way, what does Ossetia have to do with it? Was there an epidemic there? There, like Georgians with Ossetians chopped, not?

                      and you didn’t even serve a campaign ... theorist

                      Who knows who knows... laughing

                      Well, captain, why did you tear so much?)
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                      Have you seen? ..
                      I haven’t seen such a thing, son.
                      By the way, what does Ossetia have to do with it? Was there an epidemic there? There, like Georgians with Ossetians chopped, not?


                      hear dad ... you don’t even hear from anywhere ... but we weren’t in Grozny and Ossetia and Gori either ... I saw about ,,,, you should send me a selfie

                      P / S Yes, in Grozny on the tour I was already 5 times from 2000 to 2003 ... I really like mountains
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                      hear dad ... where are you from?

                      The captain’s burns ...

                      but we were not in Grozny, and in Ossetia and Gori ... I saw about ,,,, you send me a selfie

                      Send of course! Let's see together, laugh!
                      You look, no one was pulling for your tongue, but since I suggested it, put the little photos.

                      P / S Yes, in Grozny on the tour I was already 5 times from 2000 to 2003 ... I really like mountains

                      Tyuyuyu, just that. And I was in Vietnam. Such things, yeah ...
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                      just pnh .... no translation needed hope
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                      The captain merged.
                      Today, the Captain is not responsible for his words, how they put him in an uncomfortable position, so he merges right away?
                      Fake you Captain ...
  • max702 21 January 2020 12: 21 New
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    It’s interesting, but how many kilometers will this system detect the same AUG?
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      Quote: max702
      It’s interesting, but how many kilometers will this system detect the same AUG?

      Well, if at one time 29B6 detected a missile “attack” from an Israeli RCA in the direction of our naval base in Tartus, and the Rainbow in the Far East saw the AVM at a range of 2000 +/- 50 km, then I rely on the declared 3000 km, provided it is installed in Kamchatka (as an option ) she will discover aug. And also the moment of the mass rise of its aviation, as can lead up to 5 thousand goals. Powerful software with powerful computing technology.
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        I rely on the claimed 3000km

        Then I have a question for all AUG apologists, it is known that the AUG database radius is 1000 km maximum and its detection is considered to be the most difficult, respectively, if we can find AUG in 2000-3000 km from our coast, then what kind of surprise and threat can we speak of from this type of weapon for our country?
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          if we can find the AUG in 2000-3000km from our coast, then what kind of surprise and threat in general can we talk about from this type of weapon specifically for our country?

          Everything is simple. Vulgar high-altitude nuclear explosions cease communication and tropospheric location for at least 4 hours. Incidentally, this was clogged in the scenario of the beginning of a missile strike on the USSR.
          But blowing up SBP is not comme il faut. Therefore, they connected science and switched to the physics of the process. DARPA determines the parameters of the impact on the ionosphere, HAARP affects the ionosphere. Caused by disturbances, or even a hole, deprive the 29B6 of the "reflector" ... There will be no effect of the reflection of waves from the ionosphere. And then what will you see? And objects like HAARP will be as much as 4. They lay us around the perimeter like wolves ...
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            And objects like HAARP will be as much as 4. They lay us around the perimeter like wolves ...

            Perhaps so .. Only all these actions will lead to the use of strategic nuclear forces .. And the point? What are the harps that are not, and the Sun will not have much significance, for everything will come to the sad end of the winners ... And for what then is all this? According to the mind, we don’t even have to answer, the destroyed blocks of nuclear power plants, dams of hydroelectric plants of chemical plants, fires as a result of all this will be enough for the planet .. And if we answer (and we will answer) then all this will be raised to the extent ..
  • serg123 21 January 2020 15: 52 New
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    So, you had problems with optics at school. It would be nice to re-read the theory :) to draw such conclusions.
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    Yes, not with one lens, but with three lenses ...
  • RVAPatriot 21 January 2020 23: 53 New
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    It has long been warned that we can see why now such questions ???? in order to understand it was necessary off. statement??? I'm sure s-400 systems can as well!
  • EvilLion 22 January 2020 08: 19 New
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    If the planes were on a combat mission, or in readiness for it, then they would not hang any means of increasing visibility on them.
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    I think specially lit up to show that they are quietly reaching Iran
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      Especially to shine invisible fighters in full combat readiness and anticipation of an attack? This makes no sense.
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      Well, you give, I realized that you write nonsense?
    3. RVAPatriot 21 January 2020 23: 54 New
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      Specially shine strike weapons, do not tell
  • Pessimist22 21 January 2020 09: 48 New
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    How to spot, they are invisible?
    1. novel66 21 January 2020 10: 13 New
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      but like that !, as always https://coub.com/view/w4hqy
      1. A good one 21 January 2020 10: 20 New
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        Everyone finds a black cat in a dark room. yes
        1. novel66 21 January 2020 10: 33 New
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          black doberman even faster lol healthy, Viktorovich hi
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            Greetings Roma hi Doberman is an exclusive, it’s better a black cat, she has a 50-50 chance to survive, remember how Ivan Vasilievich shouted at her, saying that she was unclean, although she was clean and well-groomed in the frames of the film. yes
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              maybe it stinks strongly ?? lol
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                Well, I don’t know when she crosses the road for me, though not often, once a quarter, it means every three months, then I feel uncomfortable. smile
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                  it means you need to carry a slingshot with you and stop such actions on the vine
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                      2. novel66 21 January 2020 13: 34 New
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                        so let it not climb
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                It’s uncomfortable to feel when she gives you the way ... smile
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                  Quote: dzvero
                  It’s uncomfortable to feel when she gives you the way ... smile

                  That's it. request Instructions are received, based on life experience, and they are in every yard. laughing
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              Quote: novel xnumx
              maybe it stinks strongly ??

              Rum hi Cats don’t smell, only cats smell ...
              Do you remember like Chukovsky’s: “A cat-mother is a very neat animal!” yes
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                I remember only this Berestov! hi read it ..
  • major147 21 January 2020 12: 17 New
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    Quote: Pessimist22
    How to spot, they are invisible?

    An anecdote from the time of the bombing of Yugoslavia.
    - Yugoslav anti-aircraft gunner during a raid firing "in the white light, like a penny." Here, not far from him, the F117 A Stealth brought down by him falls.
    - Anti-aircraft gunner: "I'm sorry, I didn’t notice!"
  • Svarog 21 January 2020 09: 51 New
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    . We draw conclusions: it turns out that the "invisibility" so pervasive by the American mass media is actually quite visible to itself.

    So it was immediately clear ... otherwise the United States wouldn’t rest and would not put the wheels in the wheel, everyone who wants to buy C 400
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      It is worth recalling that non-visible aircraft are only for the corresponding detection technology. That is, these are always balancing levels of achievement. And therefore, this news is an incentive for the search for new stealth technologies. And this new technology will be based on controlled polarization of aircraft surfaces, which in turn will be based on technology for controlling energy density and the development of new devices of the elemental power base.
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    Studies have shown that this radar can detect hypersonic aircraft. But because of the dead zone, about 900 km
    (judging by the words of the Director General of the Research Institute for Long-Range Radio Communications Kirill Makarov) such stations will be located in the "outback". This will provide additional security for the facility.
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      But because of the dead zone, about 900 km
      (judging by the words of the Director General of the Research Institute for Long-Range Radio Communications Kirill Makarov) such stations will be located in the "outback".

      And there is. But here, as they say, everything is for the better, because it is very dumb to place such complexes near the border. Moreover, the detection range allows, even with a margin. yes
  • Yrec 21 January 2020 10: 04 New
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    The “invisibility” of the F-35, like other stealth techniques, is something like “the movement of a spherical horse in a vacuum,” sooooo specific conditions that are almost never encountered in real life. It would be more correct to call "a decrease in visibility in some ranges." More useful, in my opinion, the internal placement of weapons and supersonic without afterburner.
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      More useful, in my opinion, the internal placement of weapons and supersonic without afterburner.

      More useful for what? Both that and another serves just to reduce the visibility of the aircraft: the first in the radio range, and the other in the visible spectrum.
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        and the other in the visible spectrum.

        The second is in the infrared range. Yeah
        (I suppose your imager is not inserted into the eye?)
    2. loki565 21 January 2020 11: 16 New
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      More useful, in my opinion, the internal deployment of weapons

      For the “bomber”, yes, for the fighter there are questions: will he be able to open the wings and launch a missile at supersonic sound, or at what overload, and in an inverted position, etc. etc. For the outdoor placement of air / air missiles, everything is much simpler, but this of course affects stealth.
  • businessv 21 January 2020 10: 05 New
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    The United States and its NATO allies will not be able to fly aircraft even from distant bases, while remaining unnoticed by Russian air defense systems.
    Great news, no matter how they harassed her! smile good
  • Amateur 21 January 2020 10: 08 New
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    How to see a stealth plane was invented in Hollywood back in 1995: "Under Siege-2. Dark Territory."
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    But didn’t you determine the size and brand of the Luneberg lens of the radar?
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      But didn’t you determine the size and brand of the Luneberg lens of the radar?

      Liza brand F-35 .. size .. length 16m, wingspan 13 ..
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      often from Syrian territory

      territory of Lebanon and Iraq became Syrian? This is where such geography is taught, come on in the open?
      unparalleled in the world s-400 or do not see

      give examples when the Israeli air force attacked the base in Khmeimim (namely, its security is provided by the S-400). One can see the source of "knowledge" the same as awareness of the geography of events
      In any case, even after the downed IL-20 show

      Il-20 shot down by the Israeli Air Force? Hmm .....
      another self-assembled tablecloth based on “new physical principles”


      It’s worth not skipping school physics for a start. And everything will become clear.
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      ZGRLS ...
      .. another self-assembled tablecloth based on “new physical principles” with miraculous characteristics? -

      Back in 1985, when judging by your comments, you weren’t
      the warrior had doubts about the effectiveness of ZGRLS Duga-1.
      THERE IS NO ANY DOUBT ON PHYSICS THAT ALREADY NO NEW PHYSICAL PRINCIPLES, but the warrior’s permission did not suit the station. And then they created a commission, which included representatives of the Academy of Sciences in order to find out the prospects of modernization of ZGRLS. The team also participated in the work, which I later came to work after a short time. With nothing to do, I read the commission report. It was negative due to the fact that ATTENTION it was necessary to increase the speed of the ZGRLS computer by 2 orders of magnitude, and in physics there were no complaints. How many orders do you think the container computer is more powerful than the ARC computer?
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        the warrior had doubts about the effectiveness of ZGRLS Duga-1

        The “arc” was part of the SPRN, and the “container” did not go far from it, they never faced the task of over-the-horizon detection of unobtrusive targets. The operational characteristics have significantly improved, energy consumption has decreased (you can build faster and away from nuclear power plants), but the purpose and capabilities have remained the same.
        The statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs (what’s his side here at all?) In this case not only does not stand up to criticism, it is simply impossible to take it seriously.
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          they never faced the task of over-the-horizon detection of unobtrusive targets.

          TTX would be revered or something, not a shame ....
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            Enlighten
            https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2016/04/26/8196341.shtml
            (The article is not without pretensions to objectivity, but still from people in the know and for the overall development is good)
            Then about TTX and my "shame" tell.
            1. Puzoter 21 January 2020 15: 11 New
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              Gazeta.ru is of course the most authoritative military-technical resource.
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                Far more authoritative than the ever-living thieving bureaucrat.
                However, it is impossible to rely on authorities in the search for the truth, but as a fact-finding material, I think the link to this article is quite suitable.
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              https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2016/04/26/8196341.shtml
              (The article is not without pretensions to objectivity, but still from people in the know and for the overall development is good)
              Then about TTX and my "shame" tell.

              And in speedinfo in general you can read that all the engineers participating in our forum will go crazy.
              What's worth
              Jack O'Nill Today, 13:40
              And how do you prove that the Earth is not flat? But, let’s make it a little more interesting: you cannot mention the “radio horizon”.
              Forward.)
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    3. Boa kaa 21 January 2020 18: 05 New
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      Quote: Star Destroyer
      The Israeli Air Force almost daily iron Syria, often from Syrian territory, often endangering the "ichtamnets." And neither ZGRLS, nor having analogues in the world of s-400, either do not see, or very carefully pretend that they do not see.

      Seva, well, one cannot love Israel so much that even facts have to be perverted!
      1. Most of the missile attacks, Hel ha'Avir aircraft, inflicted from the airspace of neighboring states.
      2. S-400 guards our bases in Hmeimim and Tartus. The Israelis did not attack them.
      3. There is an agreement (at the top level) that we in Syria do not fight against each other.
      4. Who told you that the S-400 detection station does not see Israeli F-35s? If they don’t shoot, then see point 3, but what they write on the recorders is for analysis and further improvement of the technique.
      Therefore, your statement that “they are very diligently pretending not to see” is not without foundation.
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    Long-range stations see stealth - the same is my secret, it has long been known.
    The question is, can they give tsu missiles air defense?
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      Why not? If the radar distinguishes even individual planes in a group, who prevents the radio to bring a missile into the target area and even indicate its specific homing head?
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      can they give air defense missiles

      Of course they can’t. Technically difficult to implement. Firstly, at a range of thousands of kilometers, the missile itself is most likely not visible, i.e. there is nothing to correct, and secondly, we need a guaranteed radio channel for thousands of kilometers, if there are no problems on the part of the station, hundreds of kilowatts are available, then the small racket and the transmitter are weak, clogged with interference at times.
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        Communication can also be made via satellite - just transmit new coordinates periodically and get confirmation. To do this, you need a little more power than a mobile phone. The Americans somehow implemented control of their drones through the floor of the World and nothing.
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      Quote: atalef
      The question is, can they give tsu missiles air defense?

      Namesake, why ask stupid questions? These are DETECTION stations, not a firing station (SAM radar). Their main task is to timely warn air defense / missile defense systems about the fact of a raid. At the same time, it gives out the motion parameters of the CC. And according to ZGRLS data in the Caspian Sea, they even practiced the firing of anti-ship missiles at NK.
      So it's not evening yet!
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      TSU - no. To mark the square where the target is located is complete. And then either visual contact or find a way to aim at the target
  • thinker 21 January 2020 10: 32 New
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    As they wrote here in December - "The deployment location of the first Container radar was not accidental."
    Under the control of the first "Container" is the whole of Europe and some other regions.
    Sector of review 240 degrees. good
  • Ross xnumx 21 January 2020 10: 44 New
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    The United States and its NATO allies will not be able to fly aircraft even from distant bases, while remaining unnoticed by Russian air defense systems.

    A rare holiday for the soul and heart. Glory to the Soviet and Russian designers! fellow
    Health and prosperity to the craftsmen producing such a technique!
    Good luck in the service staff!
    fellow
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    She turned to the west.

    And where is Iran relative to the Russian Federation ???
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      She turned to the west.

      And where is Iran relative to the Russian Federation ???


      From Kovylkino and Gorodets - strictly south actually ...
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    I do not want to spoil the victorious relations of the author of the article, but I'm afraid they are not the topic.
    Aircraft with reduced radio sensitivity were never intended to hide from ground stations. Presumably, they will invade foreign territory through holes and blind spots. The main purpose of the pseudo-stealth is a strong lowering of the radar detection area of ​​interceptor aircraft, giving the right of the first strike. And also the inability to fix the target for the weak radar of the guidance head of the interceptor missile, because of which it will lose the target and is unlikely to get to the plane. That is, to bring down such an aircraft is much more difficult. Shoot down, not detect. And from this perspective, invisible aircraft are quite relevant to themselves in spite of any containers. Capsulence is a bad habit.

    Another thing is that such an aircraft is a piece of goods for those who do not print money. Performing normal missions on it is like going to the cottage on a Bentley.
    1. Boa kaa 21 January 2020 18: 47 New
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      Quote: wayden
      The main purpose of the pseudo stealth is to significantly lower the radar detection area of ​​interceptor aircraft,
      And for a powerful ground-based radar?
      Quote: wayden
      the inability to fix the target for the weak radar of the guidance head of the interceptor missile due to which it will lose the target and is unlikely to get to the plane.
      This is if it is single-channel, and if the stealth is illuminated by a "spotlight" (radar guidance missiles with a passive GOS) then the reflected signal from the GOS GUR will probably capture it. And the IR / UV field will not go anywhere from him ...
      It will be harder if they go around the terrain. Here everyone will have to sweat!
  • Boris63 21 January 2020 11: 37 New
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    It seems like something like a tropospheric way of transmitting data ... But the “waves” and the transmit-receive power are different. The tropospheric radio relay takes 500 km, but there is a receiving antenna. And then the reflected signal ... Strong.
  • Operator 21 January 2020 11: 44 New
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    ZGRLS "Container", operating in the range of radio waves from 10 to 100 meters (where stealth technologies are absent), detects aerial targets with linear dimensions of 5 meters at a distance of 3000 km, with linear dimensions of 50 meters - at a distance of 6000 km.

    Classification of targets is carried out by comparing data from conventional centimeter, decimeter and meter radars in the air defense command center with the “Container” radar data (all that the last sees and does not see the first are stealth aircraft).
  • Tolik_74 21 January 2020 12: 37 New
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    eF-35 is invisible to the $ bn Omerian budget and taxpayers. And for Russian radars, this is an ordinary piece of iron with wings, which is not only easy to detect, it can also be shot down.
  • eagle owl 21 January 2020 12: 47 New
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    The message that the invisibles are quite visible to themselves was tumbled down by the shaft))) Then the Germans easily find them even in the passive mode at the F-35 air show. then ours. It seems that the mattresses steeped up Israel. handed them illiquid))) The Germans and the French seemed smarter about <t> laughing
  • Ros 56 21 January 2020 12: 54 New
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    What, did the invisibility cap break? But there was a scream, and I, and we, and it turned out that just in the bathhouse, the frantic crap. negative fellow lol laughing request
  • Puzoter 21 January 2020 14: 48 New
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    What is characteristic is that they immediately spotted six aircraft. This indicates a high resolution. What is the distance between the planes in the group? 10, 20 meters? That is such a resolution and at least. Someone says that it’s not enough for pointing missiles. But this is more than enough to send a missile to the desired area by radio command method and even indicate a specific aircraft to its warhead. And even more so to give target designation to fighters.
  • Puzoter 21 January 2020 14: 54 New
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    By the way, in the wings of the Su-57, as they say, a long-wave radar is installed, with properties relatively similar to this radar. For two thousand kilometers he certainly will not look, but if he sees the "invisibility" at least two hundred kilometers, then the invisibility is worthless.
  • Stalllker 21 January 2020 15: 27 New
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    And why not display the monitoring results online, and let the future buy FUShki be seen, and analyze the speed, flight altitude, etc. laughing we’ll make a “commercial” for them
    1. Morrrow 21 January 2020 23: 08 New
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      Because it is a fiction.
      1. Stalllker 21 January 2020 23: 10 New
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        What is it?
        1. Morrrow 21 January 2020 23: 11 New
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          Flying 6 F-35 at Iran
      2. Puzoter 22 January 2020 13: 03 New
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        That is, according to your Lavrov went to the podium and in a slightly veiled form declared himself a moron? What they were is beyond doubt. The only question is where the information comes from - from the radar or from the agents, but let the Americans and Jews have a headache about it.
    2. gridd 22 January 2020 11: 35 New
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      Because the knowledge of what they know about the enemy is already a military secret. lol
  • Chaldon48 21 January 2020 15: 45 New
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    God grant that anti-aircraft defense systems were equally effective.
  • smaug78 21 January 2020 15: 59 New
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    The author is Ilya Polonsky. Then everything is clear. Today he already wrote about Abrams ...
  • maden.usmanow 21 January 2020 16: 53 New
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    Solid patterns.
    First, we ourselves “hang” labels on American weapons, and then, in other publications, we refute our own labels.

    As it was with the M1 Abrams today, and with the F 35 now.

    《Abrams are said to be invulnerable ..》 - writes Polonsky. - 《... But now, I will tell you how to beat him up.

    《F 35, they say invisible ..》 - writes Polonsky. - 《... But now, I'll tell you how they saw him》
    1. eagle owl 21 January 2020 17: 34 New
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      We hang up such labels NEVER WE! Go about the invisibility fu-shek - read on the manufacturer's website. Or in the presentations of the US Department of Defense. There you will also find nonsense from both that at the moment, no anti-tank weapons are breaking through the latest model of abrashka.
      And here you are - labeling that WE are - labeling. And lying
  • Dmitriyag 21 January 2020 17: 13 New
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    Or 6 or 8, approximately, but they were there (probably
  • Alexfly 21 January 2020 17: 19 New
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    "Seeing" is not the same as knocking down ....
  • Shahno 21 January 2020 18: 41 New
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    // The information that our air defense was able to detect American fighters was announced by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. //
    Did you manage to detect it? .. So the problem seemed to be in stable tracking and target designation for zur. A comet can also be detected, but with ... ugh, well, well, in general, to sit on the surface is still that problem
  • Nikolay Shestakov 21 January 2020 21: 11 New
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    Well, so what is visible. And who needs it? The main thing is to arrange the pseudo-invisibility as a shade and sell it to your NATO partners in three ways. The question is not what the radar is seeing, but how much the US military-industrial complex has earned on it with eared fras. Old joke on the topic:
    Vasily Ivanovich sits, hangover ... Then Petka runs in and yells:
    - Vasily Ivanovich - white !!!
    - Come in, Petka, now we will be masking !!!
    Pours him a glass ...
    - Drink
    Petka is drinking ...
    - Well, how do you see me?
    - I see, Vasily Ivanovich !!!
    Pours more and more ... Again asks:
    - Petka, can you see me?
    - No, Vasily Ivanovich !!!
    - And I'm not you !!! Cool, we disguised ourselves ...
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    BAI 21 January 2020 21: 47 New
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    American invisible fighters were not so invulnerable to the latest Russian radars

    It’s not enough to see a stationary radar. It is necessary that the missile homing system sees the target.
  • Morrrow 21 January 2020 23: 06 New
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    Only trouble, the author, the Americans deny this. They don’t have an F-35 in that area, which means either Lavrov said propaganda for internal use, or he was misled.
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      For Lavrov to speak for domestic consumption - not by status. And the Americans will be fools, if they admit, because no one will buy their FU35 after that. Also me, an authoritative source - the Americans, do not tell.
  • EvilLion 22 January 2020 08: 22 New
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    The question is, are cars identified as? The plane on the radar is just a point. The Israelites could, in principle, fly.
  • Maks1995 22 January 2020 09: 08 New
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    Not a word about the main thing
    1) at what distance were spotted?
    2) in what mode did you fly?
    3) were the F35 equipped with instruments for flashing - how do they fly in Europe so that no one crashes into them?

    And so, of course, great ...
  • Dmitry V. 22 January 2020 09: 13 New
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    We draw conclusions: it turns out that the "invisibility" so pervasive by the American mass media is actually quite visible to itself. The main thing is that the air defense systems are modern and high-quality, and then the F-35 will not slip through them.

    Some kind of kindergarten.
    Seen for thousands of miles?
    How were targets identified if the radar gives only altitude, course, speed?
    What was the flight configuration - ferry with PTB or combat? If combat, then in stealth mode or with external suspension?

    There are more questions than the point in this news ...
  • Dan_g 22 January 2020 09: 40 New
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    If Lavrov claims, then there is a minimum of trust in this information.
  • Nitarius 22 January 2020 09: 53 New
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    )) they have been seen for a long time))) but were silent)))
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    Quote: Morrrow
    Only trouble, the author, the Americans deny this. They don’t have an F-35 in that area, which means either Lavrov said propaganda for internal use, or he was misled.


    The latest American F-35A Lightning II fighters arrived at the Al-Dafra (C) military base located in the UAE on 17.04.2019/XNUMX/XNUMX.
  • antiaircrafter 22 January 2020 11: 34 New
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    True, while the possibility of exporting systems to third countries is not mentioned.

    And no need.
    Need to sell information about the air situation.

    But then nothing prevents the conclusion of an agreement with Iran on the exchange of air defense data.

    That is correct.
    And you can not only with Iran, but with any interested partner.
    And it is possible for the appropriate fee or in exchange for other nishtyaki.
  • gridd 22 January 2020 11: 38 New
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    Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
    How were targets identified if the radar gives only altitude, course, speed?

    Identification is done according to the characteristics of maneuvering the target in height and speed. This is often quite enough. Well, no one canceled the visual confirmation.
  • Last centurion 22 January 2020 12: 27 New
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    And it's not because of the engineers, but because of the marketers who coined the term "invisibility." Not invisibility, but reduced visibility and not generally, but in terms of the radio spectrum. For the first time, the Serbs disagreed with the term invisibility ala stealth, knocking down xs how many years ago an iron with the same epr rocket of the 70s and a radar from there. But for marketing, the name stealth sounds proudly ... so it’s easier to potential buyer both the plane itself and its maintenance
    1. Andrey Andrey 22 January 2020 18: 41 New
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      Why did our air defense in Syria only bring down our own aircraft?
  • St54 22 January 2020 16: 52 New
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    And past the TOR complex with a roar, the invisible “STELLS”))))
  • Andrey Andrey 22 January 2020 18: 40 New
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    Do not forget, the Foreign Ministry conduct propaganda. This is their job. It’s not worth everything that Lavrov says take literally.
  • 1970mk 22 January 2020 19: 51 New
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    Is this a nonsense of a patriot? Someone said they spotted .... At what distance? Under what conditions?
  • Alex_You 23 January 2020 04: 41 New
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    Why not 10? And how did you know that it was the F-35? By flyradar?
  • Alexandr_F 23 January 2020 11: 12 New
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    Does the 91-year war in Iraq show that suppressing air defense is one of the first tasks in armed conflicts? In my opinion, this is more of a psychological factor that a huge over-the-horizon station detects "invisibility", since in addition to the station itself they have nothing to oppose.
  • Alexey from Perm 23 January 2020 21: 29 New
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    In fact, you need to be silent about this, in order to “surprise” the Americans in the event of a war, so we draw conclusions about the stupid head at headquarters, or the stupid PR of our radar company, just to sell))
  • theodore rasp 23 January 2020 21: 51 New
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    This pregnant turkey shines like a spotlight in all ranges. Stealth technology is not about the F-35!
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    Hog 24 January 2020 10: 12 New
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    Well, I found them ZGRLS and sense, the main thing that they could notice the radar directly air defense systems.
    During the Second World War, the Germans had a high-altitude reconnaissance ju-86p and he flew to reconnaissance in Moscow, our command knew about this, but there was nothing he could do, because there was no means capable of knocking him down at such a height, and here it was about the same (notching does not mean destroying).
  • Tolik_74 24 January 2020 16: 27 New
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    To date, all the products of the military-industrial complex of the pendadu country are advertised and advertised, no more. Any weapons are lobbied, and in Russian, went into production for bribes, kickbacks and tede and tepe., By the way, bribery in Meriga flourishes. to officials to their overseas counterparts in bribes and kickbacks are very far